KOF Coaching

[runic rain]

It's super tight

@torn drift

It's really weird

[torn drift]

yeah i did it like 2 times wth

[torn drift]

i was promised a brain dead character

[runic rain]

She isn't brain dead

She's easy as hell but you gotta think with her still

[torn drift]

oh i figured it out im dumb'

thanks cb

[torn drift]

so you have to input (2)9LPHPJ214lphp

its one input

you cant air dash into her dive special

you basically do ex airdash ex dive as 1 single input

and that burns .5 its not counted as 2 exs

[runic rain]

@torn drift wanna practice?

[torn drift]

always

[runic rain]

Mai, Angel, or Kula?

[torn drift]

mai angel figuring it out

[runic rain]

Kula ain't hard 💀

[torn drift]

i really hate kula and angel at anchor

so while im practicing im picking up a 3rd character

[runic rain]

Why Kula?

[torn drift]

im using this mai training arc to learn Mai neutral, Angel meter, and a character. This doesnt necessarily mean im dropping kula from the main team

[runic rain]

Room is 297214

Gotcha gotcha!

[torn drift]

oh is this lab or room match

[runic rain]

Lab

[torn drift]

pm so we dont clog this or is this what its for

[runic rain]

Yes

[torn drift]

theres a sweet spot where dive connects with multiple hits

there

[torn drift]

Hey @runic rain

Remember last night labbing the cd into fan into ????

[torn drift]

@plush delta

Sorry about the quality but won’t command grab into climax kill here?

[lament mirage]

No

Gotta remember damage scale kinda hard on grabs

[torn drift]

Ah

Ok

But wouldn’t it be worth spending some meter at least

We have anchor against point character you’re sitting on 3 bars

[lament mirage]

Gotta be under about 40%ish to be sure

[lament mirage]

Comeback money

[snow beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-peoples-elbow-eddie-guerrero-raw-wwe-gif-16446453

[lament mirage]

Gotta be a little greedy

[torn drift]

You’re betting a lottt though

Idk maybe I’m a bitch id try to take it one match at a time guarantee yourself the health replenish

[lament mirage]

You forget Clark is a vortex reset monster

Once the ball gets rolling it's literally a guess

And Roll is never the answer

[torn drift]

He had another opportunity to spend more meter and get that k’ dash out of here

He died to rock with 4 bars

[lament mirage]

Crazy

[torn drift]

I’m still learning I’m just wondering if you should really hedge your bets for the win or take it one round at a time

I guess it’s both character specific and player choice both are different philosophies and there’s probably no good answer

Sure he died on 4 bars but at the same time one guess away from meter dumping rock and taking it to anchor

[lament mirage]

You definitely want to go into the anchor vs with over 70%

Best case scenario

Survive almost any QM

Minus like

Terry or Krohnen

Or Ash

[torn drift]

I think mai also caches out just not to their level

It’s around 74.6 percent

[lament mirage]

I'm guessing if any meter dumping is to be had, it'd be on the mid if you're going ROCV

And also depends on the matchup

[torn drift]

But at the same time I guess my mental comes from Val

[lament mirage]

??

[torn drift]

Valorant

[lament mirage]

Again

??

[torn drift]

Are you aware of csgo

[lament mirage]

Yes

[torn drift]

Like that but with character abilities and ultimates added

[lament mirage]

I've heard

[torn drift]

Closer in gameplay to cs with a mix of over watch

[lament mirage]

I'm asking you to elaborate on what that shapes your mental to be?

[torn drift]

Well there’s gameplay situations where sometimes you might want to go light shield instead of heavy shield or decided to save your ultimate for another round to try and be more impactful later on. Of course the downside is you’re risking either losing the match or never having the opportunity to use it at all

Always play to win the round you are currently playing

If you try and assess risk vs reward and be a little more stingy in the moment so you can be frugal later on you might not be given the opportunity to benefit from your resources. Same applies to kof you can save those juicy bars of meter so you can facilitate a ROCV but that very decision might be why you lost the game

[torn drift]

Sorry I didn’t mean always I’m saying “always play to win current round” is a mentality

[lament mirage]

See you coulda just said that

[torn drift]

My bad lol

[raven ridge]

Experience. @torn drift

[torn drift]

This confused me

[raven ridge]

Cien's asking how you shape your mental, no? You gave him a few answers and elaborated your xp in situations you make plenty of decisions on the fly

The bigger picture is experience

[torn drift]

Ahhhh

Ok

So I have a very small Brian

Brain

I would correct it but it proves my point

Kizzy Kay himself said to me, “I’ll give you the gift of 1 of 2 things but choose wisely if you have one you can never have the other, all the matchup knowledge in kof, or mental images of kof girls fan art”

Y’all can figure out what I chose

[raven ridge]

Actually, that's a bit of a gatekeeping answer.

Me, I just try to make the most out of every interaction. I think I can win every game against anyone around my level. If things don't go my way and I lose, I'm usually able to point out a few things : who the opponents best character is and that I need to kill them ASAP, what are the things I need to look out for that I took the most damage from, and how can I prevent them from doing what they want to do depending on their habits with said character. It's not full proof, but it's constructive. @lament mirage @torn drift

[torn drift]

Thanks coach you’re always so great at giving tips

Pause

[raven ridge]

Just the tip

[snow beacon]

SAJAM - HOW TO RECOGNIZE YOUR OWN IMPROVEMENT

https://youtu.be/nGBIBFsLv1I

SAJAM - PRIORITIZING THE MENTAL STACK

https://youtu.be/7sfFML4pAbY

[torn drift]

@runic rain how’s mai coming along

[runic rain]

Coming along good, combo's definitely getting better

Air movement too

[torn drift]

I stoped defaulting to double knees and dives every time I’m in the air

I still do them an unhealthy amount of times but I tried toning it down

[snow beacon]

Hop CD seems good

[torn drift]

?

Like it’s a good option or you saw me do it

[snow beacon]

Good option

Rather that jump unsafe options

You can use dive kick to escape corner in some situations, but its reward doesn’t really outweigh its risks. Develop good habits now

[grizzled heart]

Forgot abt this channel

[snow beacon]

Tap “Following” up top for your up-to-date coaching notifications

[grizzled heart]

I gotta peep this the “How to recognize your own improvement” was a very good video

[snow beacon]

Agreed. The mental is very important.

[torn drift]

@raven ridge @mild parcel you guys have any advice from yesterday

[raven ridge]

Go plus ultra

Good job pressuring after ex boomerang

Mmm don't EX blockstring too often, try to go for a safer ender.

And uuuhhh... don't let me do what I want I guess. Too often were you just playing defensively

[torn drift]

Your rock string

Idk when to interrupt

I was actually gonna use that as a learning tool you mind sending me the notation so I can learn how to properly utilize the lab

[raven ridge]

Yup NP, I can hop on training tonight if you want too

Idk which string you're talking bout ahah

[torn drift]

It’s the one where you go whooo and then boom and bow then end it with a whoosh

[raven ridge]

Sorry late reply, been busy delivering babies n shit

[lament mirage]

Oh my

[torn drift]

No worries do your thing

[torn drift]

Give them a copy of kof

Start them off young

[raven ridge]

Free copy on me, use 2b on @lament mirage

[torn drift]

But to be specific I believe it’s a low maybe 2b into a punch and overhead kick then I think you make it safe with a low fireball

[raven ridge]

I can run training with you, cuz the overhead I'm thinking about isn't a true combo.

[torn drift]

Whattt

[raven ridge]

So that might answer your question right there

[torn drift]

His kick

Overhead kick

[raven ridge]

5b?

[torn drift]

Maybe

We would definitely have to run some training

I got grudge matches against dunc and omf idk how long I’ll be on for but if we’re both on I would appreciate it

[raven ridge]

This one? @torn drift

[torn drift]

I believe you do 2b into 5b into a leaping overhead kick as a block string

[raven ridge]

?

[torn drift]

No I’m tripping

I think it is 2b 2b 5b into that shoulder tackle that pushes you back into fireball

[raven ridge]

Last one lmao

[torn drift]

I’m not sure I’m sorry

But I think it is 2b 2b 5b shoulder tackle

And if it lands you go for the lunge punch and if it doesn’t you fireball

[raven ridge]

Regardless, shoulder tackle DP is... unsafe I believe. You can punish me. Heavy hard edge (216C) is also unsafe and punishable

Light is "safe"ish

Depending on spacing

[torn drift]

So when you shoulder tackle

That move has push back doesn’t it?

On block

[raven ridge]

Mmhm, tbh I don't do it as a blockstring ender though. I usually do reppuken

Which can be SS interrupted or GC cancel early for the full punish

[torn drift]

I know you have a block string where you fireball ender

[raven ridge]

Heavy/high overhead kick is safe but it's also interuptable because it's got a long wind up

So you can definitely do something about it if you're on your toes

[torn drift]

You make me want to pick up rock

His lunge punch creates those flame wings and it looks so fucking cool

[raven ridge]

LOL do it. He's fun. I enjoy him the most

[torn drift]

But I have a perfect record so far

No guys

Idk exactly when I’m hoping on but maybe we can catch some games today

I just gotta 3-0 Dunc and OMF

[raven ridge]

Lemme watch

[torn drift]

I’ll ping you when I’m on

[lament mirage]

I never asked but @lethal shuttle how did I do yesterday?

Despite nary taking a game from ya

[lethal shuttle]

You did well. I think your main thing was you were getting impatient too quickly

[lament mirage]

As always

[snow beacon]

@torn drift careful w/ those 214BD with Luong. It’s not a fully invulnerable “DP,” as it is weak to lows. Plus it’s very punishable at -25 oB, so throwing it out in neutral, especially against defensive opponents, is very risky, HP and meter wise. That meter bar melts away.

I’m not saying, don’t do them in footsies; do what you wanna do … but weigh the risk/reward

[torn drift]

No you’re 100 percent right and you’re not the only one that told me today I felt like I was on autopilot and I gotta get back on the grind

Thank you

[snow beacon]

Me not punishing it doesn’t help. It only reinforces the bad habit. I’ll try to punish it next time, haha

Other than that, I like the patience, even in our SFV set

But stop backing yourself into the corner though

[torn drift]

Yeah thanks I appreciate that, it’s a good quick aa if you do it early and in nuetral game is 50 50 but I am definitely not using it as a launcher and more as a dp

[torn drift]

I give up too much space

[lament mirage]

Wong?

[torn drift]

How my Laura pressure though?

[snow beacon]

You’re making my job easier. Stand firm and slowly move forward. I mean there are many reasons to retreat and create space, but if I’m just walking towards you 3/4 screen away, don’t let my aura push you back haha.

Rara needs work, as you’re new. Use normals to pressure, not specials. SFV isn’t everything is safe KOF

Learn the system mechanics.

We can speak more sf in dm

But I only mentioned it here because it’s applicable to your KOF play

[torn drift]

Yeah luongs dp needs to stop

Simply because luong doesn’t have a dp

[snow beacon]

It certainly works as an aa. Footies…. You better be a good whiff punisher

[lament mirage]

Footies

[snow beacon]

@runic rain based on our matches, what are you impressions of my Yama and Andy thus far? Any glaring weaknesses?

[runic rain]

Andy is good, Yama I'm still seeing a small underwhelming amount of neutral familiarity with him

Why did I walk forward

Could have killed

[snow beacon]

I agree. Yama, I’m still trying to establish his neutral… slowly but surely

[runic rain]

I have a decent understanding of his neutral on a slow paced level but also pressure wise if ya need tips n ext

[snow beacon]

It’s his pace I’m trying to mix up. It think it’s his defense (well my whole defense) that I’m most concerned about. I’ll work on it

[runic rain]

Ok understood!

[torn drift]

Hey coach @raven ridge you’ve seen my mai at her worse how’s she’s looking now

[raven ridge]

Getting there! I'd like to see you play more aggressive, still a little too laid back/safe. Mai can dump hella damage & has very easy meter dump potential. She has relatively easy combos to dump as well.

Neutral is getting a little better too

[torn drift]

I play chicken a lot which I’m not sure if it’s a good thing or bad

[raven ridge]

Defensive approach, nothing wrong with that, but it's Mai. Mai can kill

[torn drift]

I’ve been running in after my fans though

I never did that before I would fan fan fan ex fan fan

[raven ridge]

That you have! Keeps me lookin n on my toes

[torn drift]

One thing I miss is 2c into 3d

[raven ridge]

Yeah this is a big one cuz I think they're special/super cancellable, yeah?

[torn drift]

Yeah but I would always go for it

And I think it’s hella unsafe

So I got the muscle memory to do cl.b cl.d

So everytime I land the 2c now I don’t have the muscle memory to do her 3d anymore

She gets full combos off 2b 2b, 2b 2a, 2a all jump ins, cl.b cl.d and 2c 3d

[torn drift]

I’ve also lacked on my luong

It feels like someone put the cpu to easy difficulty

[torn drift]

Hey @runic rain sometimes I see people QM and just use 2ex moves

Why

Wouldn’t it be better just sue QM for discounted supers

[runic rain]

HC's are more for gaining the lead, getting the kill, optimal whiff punishing and more

[torn drift]

Oh

[runic rain]

If I'm close you'll hardly see my Angel do QM on poke, I do poke SS because "I know what my links are on my character" so there's no need to be QM'ing half the like everyone does tbh

Then again everyone is working on their reactions which I understand

Don't be petty Cherry 💀

[torn drift]

Honestly I’m super excited to play Vanessa, Angel and vanessa compliment each other so much

As I’m they appeal to the same demographic lol not the best on a team but I’m team stubs so I’m down with the clowns

[runic rain]

Very true haha

Can't wait to Nessa mirror you

[torn drift]

I didn’t know she was a charge character that caught me wayyyyyy of guard

[runic rain]

Eh she's ok

Not really a charge tbh because you gotta hold 4A for her command

Which does it all for you tbh

[torn drift]

Her timing between dash uppercuts seems tight no?

(4)6 c into (4)6 ac

[runic rain]

2b, 2a, 4A, (4)6 K

Oh God no

You have time

Alot of it

[torn drift]

Whenever I try it, it seems like I barely have time to get the 30 frames out

Or maybe I’m just starting really late

[runic rain]

Soon after you do the final input 6K you gotta hold 4

[torn drift]

I gotta get my charge smhovements down pat I want to play chun

[runic rain]

Chun is alot harder than any charge character in KOF

Besides Heiderns charge command

[torn drift]

That’s the fun part

Ngl tricky telling me ash might not be for me (which I get where she’s coming from) made me want to play him more

[runic rain]

I mean there's no such thing as a character not being for someone

I'm the queen of making bad characters work 🐱

[torn drift]

Well then I’m the jester of making bad characters look bad 🥲

[runic rain]

You're the reason devs don't patch them to be better 🙂

You play a vital role xad

xD

[torn drift]

Ngl I never try to be that guy that plays the bad characters because they’re bad or not top tier

But you start developing some bottom tier pride honestly

I get a kick every time I beat a kro

Which is exactly one time

But still

[runic rain]

Angel's always been bottom 5 so you're good 😊

Except for 02UM

Vanilla she was ok

02UM she said we a tad mental 🐱

[torn drift]

That sucks

Everyone please retire for xv and let’s all go back to 02UM please

[runic rain]

I already have it on my PS4 🤣

People play it still too

Got my real team on there 🐱 makes me wanna stay playing 02 sometimes haha

[torn drift]

@runic rain you hit that angel reset on me yesterday

[runic rain]

Huh?

[torn drift]

That angle reset we talked about yesterday

You landed it in match and even did the side switch

I’m so glad I defended against it but you had me sweating

Corner 66c into cl.d side switch

[torn drift]

@mild parcel how was it today

[mild parcel]

We had fun

[snow beacon]

Coach of the year goes to......

https://tenor.com/view/drumroll-gif-4484754

[mild parcel]

Context: I woke up from a nap.

[runic rain]

@snow beacon yo what do I need to work on from last nights play

[raven ridge]

Nun really, Mai has the potential to be oppressive af cuz she has really good buttons. I still wanna see more mileage out of your Mai, but the bombo is there. I'd try experimenting what starters & routes you can utilize to get into the meter dump @torn drift

I'd also rip what Tricky told you, cool it with the ex low grab thing with Angel. It got me plenty of times but once I caught on to how/when you'd use it, I'd get some punishes off it.

Other than that, I liked it 🤙🏼😤

[torn drift]

Thank you, yeah angels low dash is her best tool against fire balls and I think I’ll block block block get “frustrated” I’m not sure if that’s the right word I guess more inpatient and go for the grab

I think her grab, Mai’s dive and fan, and luongs “dp” are great parts of their kits and help me deal with certain problem but I over rely on them and then they become the problem

If I just lowgrabed out out of a fireball great it sets up a safe jump, but if I lowgrab every fireball it’s no longer useful

[grizzled heart]

@raven ridge know I’m just getting back after a break, but what do u think I should work on?

[plush delta]

Who’s your new team?

[torn drift]

@raven ridge when I go to evo I’m bringing you in my backpack you’re my good luck charm

[grizzled heart]

I’m still tryna work on it but adding K’

[raven ridge]

I notice you mash 2A (crouch punch) a lot after you whiff or after I get a poke/finish a blockstring. Try not to do that cuz you'll get torched. Definitely a time and place to try that, like an opponent whiffs a jump in or you're both scrambling to take a turn.

Other aggressive options you should try to "steal" your turn back would be DP or any invulnerable you got. Or you can just block hahah

[grizzled heart]

I need to go back and keep working on Heidern

[raven ridge]

Use your guard cancel options too! They're great. gc roll if you're familiar with a moce/blockstring and you wanna punish for a full combo, GC blowback to reset neutral

N just work on your footsies! Stray hits are good hits to build momentum. Kyo has a really good CD/jCD you should take advantage of.

That's gonna come with getting familiar with your team 🙂

Combos are lookin good though, so I'm not concerned about that

[grizzled heart]

based

Yeah I should try hop CD pressure sometime

[runic rain]

It's a good tool because it always her safe jump after if you hop successfully, it's also good on range 2-4

You can't just ex dash

You gotta see the fireball coming. Hence why Mac is tagging you and baiting you out

Once you see a fireball then you react

[torn drift]

Yeah I agree, it’s one of her best tools I just over rely on it

But I was hopping a and hc with luong against Mac, also not randomly dping

I think it’s because I play to impress him

[runic rain]

True haha

We all have the ones we really grind and try for!

Mac is Dom and Tricky

Mine aren't in this server 💀

[torn drift]

That’s the issue though I don’t feel any different playing against you guys I just don’t understand why can’t land a basic hit hc with anyone but max

[runic rain]

You hate me. It's ok 😤🥲 I'm jk nah

[plush delta]

My theory is mac is not as defensive oriented

And based on the characters that he uses, they are more “straightforward” and less gimmick reliant so you kinda have more of an idea of what he’s gonna do next

[grizzled heart]

yeah I would say this is true

When I first started catching dubs against him I noticed to counter act the mac comeback I’d just start turtling and try and let him over commit

I was scared of the ITS OVER

[lament mirage]

Owari da

[torn drift]

@runic rain sorry to wake you if you’re sleeping but bala goes for unsafe ass options in neutral?

[mild parcel]

@grizzled heart i can keep "coaching" here if you're still up

[runic rain]

What you mean? Angel is a pretty safe character

I haven't seen him due anything really risky @torn drift

[torn drift]

I was watching a game from last night and maybe it’s because he’s soooo safe he played unsafe

Ya know?

[runic rain]

Which game

[torn drift]

Like people probably already know he got block strings

It’s on kof replays t

[runic rain]

But who's the opponent 🤦

[torn drift]

It was yesterday

Doomed or something I forgot

He would go for 2bs out of unchain and 66c in neutral

[runic rain]

Also yeah the opponent probably know how to interrupt Angel and break through pressure because she has little to none if you know how to kill it

[torn drift]

Her mai with interrupt with a jab whenever she could

But bala would still 4ab to 6cc

[runic rain]

So he wasn't playing unsafe, he's opponent knew how to engage and stop Angel pressure..so he started to play more short mix

Also the trade is always good if they can't 2a fast enough

I go for it also but nowadays people just roll back

Alao whats a small poke and no combo y'know. Doom never confirmed his pokes

[torn drift]

He also had a great sequence in the corner that I loved he did unchain start I don’t remember exactly which one I think qcb a 2b 4 ab mai woke up poked and he did 66b

[runic rain]

Oh yeah that's ALWAYS FUN to see

You quick cancel 3 unchains

[torn drift]

@raven ridge was also helping me make real block strings yesterday

[runic rain]

What were those block strings

Angel yeah?

[torn drift]

I thought I was finally learning them but I learned the if he what is it quick cancel?

Guard cancels

If he guard cancels my angel eats full combo

[runic rain]

Guard cancel yeah

[torn drift]

Guard cancel rolls forward

[runic rain]

What was the block strings 💀 I can tell you if they were real or now

[torn drift]

So I thought my normal cl.d 6b qcbc was good enough just as long as I end it with down punch instead of 2b because 2 b punishable as hell but it’s the actual combo

But he rolled out of it

So I don’t have a specific string that I did

[runic rain]

Angel is quite unsafe from all unchain if they guard cancel, it's why you see me only do 214C too see if you're going to cancel

214C leaves you RIGHT by the opponent and if they cancel forward Angel gets a combo punish

[torn drift]

I was just testing it and learning to do quicker moves that I can still react stop if they roll

Like instead of cl.d 6b qcb c if blocked

I’ll do qcb a 2b and 2b seems quick enough to block after a roll

[runic rain]

The low long kick right?

There's a issue with that if it's the long kick

Remember what I was doing to you when you were doing 214A Into 2B?

[torn drift]

I meant 2a

Sorry

Her down punch

[runic rain]

Yeah her low

Gotcha

[torn drift]

Also inputs don’t switch

So I think I can also 6ab to be safe but idk if he can punish that

Waitttt @runic rain can 66a aa?

Sometimes I’ll qcb a unchain mid into 4ab to bait my opponent and I can land that 66b and if they just hold block 66c

But sometimes they learn to jump at me

Can I just 66a

[grizzled heart]

I had went to bed 😭

[torn drift]

@mild parcel why you never coach me?

Is it because I’m that bad or because you hate me

[torn drift]

Must be nice being the favorite 😔

@grizzled heart I asked bubs to coach me once and he laughed at me for trying to use angels counter

Feelsbadman

[runic rain]

Yeah, very hard to get but yes

[torn drift]

And bam hcf bd combo?

[runic rain]

Yep!!

Are you at work old man?

[torn drift]

One thing that impressed me so much about bala is that he really know angel at such a high level

[torn drift]

No but about to take my dog to the vet

[runic rain]

You have too mam

Man

She's gimmick and mix and only relies on those

Angel is a character if CREATION

Probably one of the only creative characters

in KOF

[torn drift]

But he 66a corner comboed into 46 kick and he went straight for 8b instead of 2awhiff 8b

And I think it’s because he didn’t get the proper starter and full combo he didn’t need to whiff the 2a and could just go for the 8a

That type of knowledge impressed me

[runic rain]

No that's not it

He does that route for specific reasons

You get different mix and Oki depending on what you do

I do it also when I want to change my mix if needed

[torn drift]

Oh you see

I love that higher level of knowledge

When I first picked up angel I used to be so impressed by big combos

[runic rain]

Doing 66a very early opens you to more mix opportunities because unchain moves can't be duplicated in the same combo

[torn drift]

Now I saw a far d be used as a jump in poke and I forgot who it was but on hit they converted to her ex dash for combo

I’m also finally side switching not just in a combo. I was practicing it on Mac last night

I ended up doing it wayyy too much and he started poking them but it became part of my game plan to open people up

[runic rain]

Nice!

[torn drift]

What’s the biggest you can get out of a side switch

[runic rain]

As in?

[torn drift]

2a 6b grab?

Like damage

[runic rain]

As side switch in what way tho

Combo or jump run under side switch

If you have a 1 and half bar you can get 326

But if just a .5 bar you can get around 27%

273

It's a tricky 2b coming combo tho

[torn drift]

Oh i mean like just run side switch not combo

[runic rain]

Teah

Run side switch Max damage from a low is 27-28

[torn drift]

I really gotta practice 2a confirms with angel

[runic rain]

You do great with them tbh

Her 5B confirms

[torn drift]

Yeah but sometimes she’s too far for 5b so I need to learn when and how to use 2a

[runic rain]

Understood

[snow beacon]

For some reason I just saw this. I wish I recorded/streamed the matches. I’ve played a lot of matches since then, so I don’t remember what happened. I just remember Leona having her way, Dino doing his thing, etc. I recall much of it going your way.

[mild parcel]

Oi oi, he was playing Leona.

[torn drift]

Oh so I have to pick up Leona for you to acknowledge me I understand

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-cat-kitty-tears-gif-24106422

[mild parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-its-just-the-way-it-is-im-just-the-messenger-gif-25567865

[grizzled heart]

#LeonaGang

[torn drift]

I’m joining

[grizzled heart]

Welcome

Easy Charge Character time

[torn drift]

I’m just hear for her (2)8 jiggle

[grizzled heart]

I’m here to take her hand in marriage.

[torn drift]

Oof

[torn drift]

I would not put on that wedding ring if I were you

[grizzled heart]

It’s okay it’s not her earring

[mild parcel]

Dont you get enough from Mai?

[torn drift]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-kitty-cat-kitty-kitten-pussy-cat-gif-15818128

[torn drift]

Enough jiggles?

Is that a thing

[mild parcel]

[torn drift]

That’s not a thing I refuse to believe propaganda

[mild parcel]

AND you play the motor-boater

[torn drift]

Aha

You enjoy it

It’s more for y’all than me

[grizzled heart]

tbh……

Leona jiggle > Mai

[snow beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/pecs-big-pecs-pec-bounce-pec-bouncing-muscle-gif-19735107

[runic rain]

This is hella gross 🤣

This tho ^^^^

[torn drift]

https://tenor.com/view/jumpscare-dog-goge-dogecoin-doge-gif-24209416

[plush delta]

Why am I not surprised you are a furry?

[torn drift]

Same

As in not surprised

[runic rain]

Oh that's hurtful

Why aren't y'all shocked 💀

[plush delta]

Are you secretly SonicFox?

[runic rain]

If I was I wouldn't main Angel 🤣

[snow beacon]

I don’t buy it, SF.. You always say you know everyone.

[runic rain]

It's because it's true

[snow beacon]

You just “main” Angel here

[runic rain]

I told Tripp yesterday 🤣

I have photographic and eidetic memory xD

I'm gonna wash Tripp in MKX and I won't need to lab to remember 😉

Gonna get this DRUNKEN MASTER

[runic rain]

@torn drift I know it's gonna be hard but you gotta do less jumping man. The two things I did was just sit there and wait because you'll get antsy and roll or jump into me but other than that you did good!

[torn drift]

Yeah I know I cry because I don’t know what neutral is

[torn drift]

@runic rain I might actually pull a valorant till I learn

In valorant on of your biggest mistakes that newbies do is crouch while they Shoot, so you disable their crouch buttons till they learn

I might disable my jump button till I learn

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tony-stark-if-youre-nothing-without-this-suit-then-you-shouldnt-have-it-gif-25043516

[mild parcel]

.

[torn drift]

@mild parcel where do you like playing Leona

Mid?

[mild parcel]

Yeah I keep her mid. Honestly she is good any position because her bnb just needs half bar and it does good damage.

*half bar

[torn drift]

Does her air super climax cancel?

[mild parcel]

Her v slash?

[torn drift]

Yes

[mild parcel]

Yes.

[torn drift]

Oh damn

[mild parcel]

You gotta be fast tho

[torn drift]

Her cancels are something I’m struggling with

I keep thinking he ground slash super as well

Does it sideswitch inputs for the climax

[mild parcel]

Yes it does

[torn drift]

Ooooh that’s why I can’t get it

So you qcbhcf d, into qcfhcb CD

[mild parcel]

Yes but like at the end right before the explosion. You dont need to be super fast on the input

[torn drift]

Ooh

Got it

If I wasn’t so fucking slumpt I would be labbing her rn

[mild parcel]

Yeah maybe since nobody is available, I should lab Walf

[torn drift]

I’m sorry I tried staying up

I thought you wouldn’t show

[mild parcel]

Nah you're good

[torn drift]

I like ya bubs but I don’t like when you lie to me

Just say I’m bad at the game already

[mild parcel]

Aight you got me

[torn drift]

Hey I did land my climaxes

One was at point blank too

[mild parcel]

Ralf can't catch Mai

@grizzled heart Leona tips above

[torn drift]

@urban harbor hit confirms, bnb optimization , and conversations of everything else that’s not just j.c or cl.d you have any other advice I could really use it

[raven ridge]

@lament mirage I don't know your characters very well, but you should check what special moves are +, -1/2/3 even (like Terry's crack shoot or Joe's tatsu kick). If none of them are, maybe it might not be worth to use your specials as often as you are (like King's tatsu)

N shermies hit grab, idk which one that is but what Oli is saying to not use it as much, probably a good idea

[lament mirage]

Qcb A

I want qcb B

[raven ridge]

That other command grab though, the other dashing one without the hit, that's a good one to use.

[lament mirage]

Occasionally

[raven ridge]

Other than that man I think you're doing a lot better than you think you are

Slow it down, exercise your defensive metered options, SS (use it to your own volition, you like to copy others if they start to use it.)

These are general things I'd try more

[plush delta]

@lament mirage learn to add these 2 basic combos to your Shermie

https://youtu.be/-RVdLXoQymw

[lament mirage]

Ugh

Light confirms

[lament mirage]

I'll do what I can

[torn drift]

@raven ridge be aggressive b-be aggressive

Besides that any tips

[raven ridge]

^

Chaaaarge

[torn drift]

Besidessss that

[torn drift]

@raven ridge so any improvement or what

[raven ridge]

today? no lmao

you duckin' n playing chicken is a thumbs down in my books

HOWEVER, don't seek my validation

I enjoy playing fast, aggressive

turtling n being particular about the times you attack and press the offense is a valid way to play, and there is probably more people who would agree than disagree

if this is how you're gonna play from now on, or against me, then definitely hone it and become so good that I rq

[torn drift]

No I want to be more aggressive and in my matches with cien and cb I started picking up the pace

I came to the conclusion that im dropping combos and not ending with supers

Your terry hits me for 80

Against you specifically unintentionally I started playing scared which is horrible

I need to just get in there and eat those terry combos till I learn

[raven ridge]

Make every hit count is how i play lol. drops where i'm not taking off 30-40%, i definitely botched it somewhere. Unless it's a super scaled combo like SS or Rock's ex parry

but i'm looking into more bombos

trying to get Terry's double geyser in the corner tbh

[torn drift]

I’m not sure if you noticed but I’ve been practicing mai ender into ninja bees it’s more universal and does more damage you really shouldn’t go for the fire nado it’s too tight of a timing does less damage and harder to climax after

So I was labbing that morning ending combo with heavy flame into ninja bees

And I ended up not ex flaming mid combo ending my combo before I can do it

Oh well I’ll learn

I think I’m just scared of getting hit tbh and I need to lose that fear

Turtling is respectable but that’s not what I want to do

And whether aggressive or defensive if my play style ain’t what I want to do that’s an issue

[raven ridge]

Put Mai at point

helps you get more comfortable playing neutral so when you're at anchor and have hella meter, you'll make that hit count

[raven ridge]

Mobility is important regardless. Playing keep away, getting in, hit n run, all are valid

I find that if i know the opponent is air tight in their fundies, I play hit n run

[torn drift]

We need to scrap more

I want you to bring me out of my shell

My angel is getting mean

But I want to be meaner and not just with angel

[plush delta]

Hopefully my fundies is solid enough when I fight you. But I’m learning this secondary team so I can do combos

[raven ridge]

For sure! I play hit n run with you cuz your fundies with Clark n meiten make me play cautious 😂

I'll either get steam rolled or poked and die by a thousand cuts

Both of which are not favourable 🥲🥲🥲

[snow beacon]

@plush delta and I are similar in this description haha

I’m more of the latter

Unless I’m on point w/ combos

[plush delta]

Except you also have the big anchor tod combos that can kill! I’m trying to be more like you!

[snow beacon]

I do have that potential if done right haha

[lament mirage]

@plush delta @raven ridge how can I be better next time

[raven ridge]

You played the most patient today and looked really good tbh

I think as the sets went on or the closer it was, you'd start rushing again

So I think just the fortitude to resist rushing and being able to make every hit count & sustain that pressure is the next-next step

But in the mean time, really hone in on that patient play. N then once you've got that down pat, you can work on switching from patient to go mode on the fly

[torn drift]

@raven ridge I don’t need advice but can you call me cute for the one time

[raven ridge]

No

[torn drift]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-die-dies-nekodies-nekodie-gif-21965693

[torn drift]

@raven ridge any coaching

[raven ridge]

Yeah stop rolling on wakeup, punk

[torn drift]

Ok ok

[raven ridge]

Jk, you did good today lol

[torn drift]

Hear me out

It works when you’re being jumped in on

All the other times I get scared 👉👈

[raven ridge]

I let out a heavy sigh when you started rolling twice on wakeup lmfao

[lament mirage]

Me too

[torn drift]

Sorry senpai

[torn drift]

@plush delta @obtuse dock @runic rain I’m trying to j.c cl.d (4)6 a (4)6 ac 236b6a 214b6c 623c with Vanessa

Any of you guys have any clue how to do it

[obtuse dock]

What part are you having trouble with?

[torn drift]

Connecting qcf punch into qcb dash punch

If I cancel right away I’m too early

If I do it after it’s too late

It seems like there’s a recovery window if you don’t cancel

I’m not sure if the timing is of on qcf punch after the charge launcher or if it’s inbetween the qcf and qcb

I’ve done qcf qcb dp on its own

And I’ve done her launcher into ex

I just can’t put it together

[snow beacon]

Idk Vanessa, but if no manual timing is needed, use the hold buffer

[torn drift]

Doesn’t this make the move come out as quickly as possible?

[snow beacon]

Yes

[torn drift]

That seems to be too quick for the combo

[snow beacon]

I had a feeling.

[torn drift]

Yeah so it seems if I cancel the special into the next special it’s too quick. If I don’t cancel it there’s a slight gap that makes the combo drop

Seems like I somehow need to be in that recovery window but idk how to fix my timing

[obtuse dock]

Doesn't the 2146 need to be done with A instead of C?

@torn drift by 2366a do you mean the 41236a?

[plush delta]

2366a needs to be in the corner to connect

[torn drift]

This is a corner combo

[obtuse dock]

Which one is 2366a again? I don't recall Vanessa having a move like that

[torn drift]

Forward dash punch

[plush delta]

It’s 236b6a

[torn drift]

That sorry

[obtuse dock]

Gotcha

[plush delta]

This was basically almost the same combo that I did when I shared my video

[obtuse dock]

Try a 41236AC after you cl.d

[plush delta]

Both work

[torn drift]

Yeah I’m just having trouble connecting it

[torn drift]

Yeah I’m just learning how to do it with less bar as I’m using her at point

1.5 bars for a super ender or just even the .5 for 43 damage is good

[plush delta]

Also you can’t do 426C into 623C at the end

[torn drift]

Really? It connected when doing it by itself

[lament mirage]

@plush delta wanna check out my two new matches on twitch?

Had to be cut short for family planning

[plush delta]

It has to be 426AC into 623C or 623AC into 426C which you can then cancel to super

[torn drift]

@plush delta @obtuse dock

This is what I’m trying to do

[obtuse dock]

Oh ok

[torn drift]

This was also posted a month ago I know her combos changed after the patch I’m not sure which patch

Sorry I see that the video cuts the beginning but it’s just the j.c into cl.d then immediately goes into (4)6 a

@plush delta

Here this is the full thing

[plush delta]

Her combos completely changed after the parch

[torn drift]

When was the patch?

[plush delta]

May

[torn drift]

Oh yeah this was posted a month ago

Sep 14 2022

[plush delta]

Also that was qcbB6A

[torn drift]

What’s qcbb 6c?

[plush delta]

That back dash

[torn drift]

No I’m saying what’s 6c compared to 6a

[plush delta]

QcfB 6A is a forward dash

6a is an upper cut and 6c is a straight punch

[torn drift]

Yeah so qcf fa into qcb f c

That’s the combo no?

[plush delta]

So it’s forward dash upper into back dash upper

[obtuse dock]

Yes, have you tried doing the qcb with D Instead of B?

[torn drift]

That’s the combo or I’m tripping

[plush delta]

Not forward dash upper into 426C

[obtuse dock]

For the video looks like it travels further than the light version

[torn drift]

It looks like dash c her straight into dp

And I’ve landed that string in the corner while labbing I just can’t seem to connect it after launcher

[plush delta]

Yes looks like 6C for the back dash

[torn drift]

Yeah and there’s a gap in animations and that looks like her dp

Her c dp specifically since a dp she punches down

Imagine putting notations into combo videos

[lament mirage]

Hate

Haye

Hate

Why don't some people do that

[torn drift]

Because they’re pros

And they Don’t care about us simpletons

[obtuse dock]

Yeah that's DP with C

A punches down and negates projectiles and C punches up and reflects

[torn drift]

That actually didn’t work for me did it get patched?

It just negated for me

[plush delta]

I’m trying it now. I don’t think it connects or if it does, the timing is really tight. I wouldn’t do the backdash and just do 426C into super or 623AC into 426C into super instead

[torn drift]

But it was Joes tornados that I know are multi hitting so idk

[plush delta]

Dp C reflect but not off a dash

[torn drift]

Maybe that could work idk I was just obsessed landing this

[torn drift]

It was raw c dp

It just negated the projectile in match against Mac

But it was joes tornados that do multiple hits so idk if that’s why

My characters have good combos that people tell me just ignore 😭

I’m a walking skill issue

[plush delta]

I would ignore it. Not worth the effort

[obtuse dock]

Some projectiles dude, not all

[torn drift]

I figured

[obtuse dock]

I've reflected ash, Robert and king's

Haven't tested them all

[lament mirage]

Pain

[torn drift]

I knew this was the probably thing that would happen

Still did not stop me from being upsetti spaghetti

[obtuse dock]

[torn drift]

As soon as I did it I’m like oh well figured joe has multiple hits

But still sad

But now I can deal with @lament mirage king 😈

[raven ridge]

We talking bout Nessa? @torn drift

One touch obliteration

[torn drift]

Yes senpai

[raven ridge]

You go on the defensive n you're toast

[torn drift]

I want to give you the most aggressive nessa on earth so you play with me more

You get upset everytime we play and I feel like I disappointed you

I dropped my waifu for you man

@raven ridge if I stop rolling so much can we play more

[plush delta]

I watched the match. You played better than Mac for the most part and only lost because you lose to his anchor terry

Your neutral is better and it helps that both Beni and Shermie have good buttons

Mac’s biggest advantage is he converts his big combos that deletes your life

You seem to both (a) have a hard time starting combos and (b) dropping combos with both Beni and Shermie

You are fine with king combos

[lament mirage]

Dropping Beni combos?

I don't even do em

[plush delta]

Yep

Perhaps you can pick a character that easily allows you to combo. I recommend terry

And put Beni or Shermie on point

Shermie you can only do her combos if you connect with jump C (but you drop this often) or you somehow land the hitgrab

King, you are good enough to punish with her big combo

Perhaps as Shermie, you need to identify obviously punish situations then do her big combo

[lament mirage]

Cuz she got the easiest 5d

[lament mirage]

I do I just never fucking punish any dp

[plush delta]

And terry got the easiest 5C

[lament mirage]

I'm not picking up Terry

[plush delta]

Out of pride?

[lament mirage]

Cuz Mac

[plush delta]

You can try him on the side

[snow beacon]

It’ll help learning the Terry MU

[plush delta]

You can also pick up a character that has an easy combo with 2B like Kula or Robert. Beni technically has this

But you never use it

[lament mirage]

Yes

I am aware

[plush delta]

You can 2B 2B k super into bigger combo

[lament mirage]

Yep

[plush delta]

Maybe use that more

[lament mirage]

I'm trying

You see me doing 2b

It's for a reason

[plush delta]

Would doing 2B 2B qcf b qcf x2 b/d be easier?

You know why Kula is so good? She can do 2B 2B Ex tatsu and be safe if blocked and land big damage if it hits. Pick up Kula

[lament mirage]

No

[plush delta]

Robert is unsafe if he does the ex tatsu and is blocked. So is Beni if he does the super

[lament mirage]

I don't wanna play Kula cuz she is too safe

Feels like I'll pick up bad habits

[plush delta]

Just try out terry on the side

I’ll watch your labbing

Luong has an easy 2B combo as well

But her combos don’t do huge damage. She’s fun though

Shunei is a relatively safe character if you wanna try him too

[plush delta]

Embrace the meta

[lament mirage]

No

Never

[plush delta]

Embrace meta and dominate everyone here

[lament mirage]

Daga Kotowaru

[torn drift]

I play Kula because she’s cute and has fun combos

Idk if she’s safe or not I have the most unsafe Kula

[plush delta]

Just test them out and play around with them. Doesn’t mean you have to main them

[raven ridge]

My neutral is mid at best lmao, but yes I make every hit count

That's why light confirms into a good EX goes a long way @lament mirage

I'm lucky cuz all three of my characters have an EX route that convert into big damage for, at most, 1 bar

[normal hound]

Was this Chanel always here?

[raven ridge]

N I just take advantage of that. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[torn drift]

Yes

[plush delta]

Terry doesn’t have the best buttons but has access to simple powerful combos. Jump D being a crossup and close C being 2 hits are both nice though and helps with making the combos easier to land

[normal hound]

Oh. I feel stupid now 😆

[torn drift]

Sometimes they are hidden if you don’t visit them or if they’re inactive

This one goes inactive and pops off from time to time

[raven ridge]

5d is a really good button but like all heaviest buttons, it's got its cons. 5c and 2b are decent but I haven't found the right range yet to start swinging it. I usually use it at short hop range

@torn drift I have a bad habit of rolling in, you have the irk or rolling away

I loathe slow play because that's just me n my pride saying "fckin fight me you bitch" lmao

[plush delta]

His 2B is okay and can help to land the QM but will lose to opppnents better buttons

[raven ridge]

Joe's 5c and 2c are pretty sick

They come out fast af and have good range

Hell his 2b and 5a are nasty too

[torn drift]

@normal hound we actually have 8 Forums, #snk-fighting-games #1021451554739462258 #1021436653832765441 #1021188052032421959 #1021190333771558962 #1021448500518584341 #KOF Tournaments #SNK news

[raven ridge]

I gotta use em more

[torn drift]

Yeah

That’s why you don’t play me

You hate how I play 😓

[raven ridge]

Basically

LOL

It's fine, it's more so I didn't play you to play chicken

[torn drift]

That’s why I left my waifu so we can play

[raven ridge]

I came to play to throw hands

😭😂

[torn drift]

I was hopping if I played someone more aggressive so you liked me

[torn drift]

My new character literally only throws hands

[lament mirage]

That's what I'm trying to get better at

Why you think I'm using lights so much now?

It's not just to fill space

[plush delta]

None of your characters do light confirms to ex for combos though I don’t think. Not obvious ones. Shermie can do light confirms to hit grab

Ralf might have

[lament mirage]

2B 2B EX raijin

And you were just talking abt King Light confirm yesterday

[plush delta]

That’s right. Work on that

[plush delta]

@lament mirage I wonder if the Orochi Shermie can be a good counter against the terry

[lament mirage]

Who knows

[grizzled heart]

Probably

If O Shermie gets her game plan rolling it’s hard to get out of it

[plush delta]

@raven ridge is gonna hate hearing this but your best strategy against terry is to be allergic to him. Limit contacts with him so he can’t hit you with his big combo. It’s why he gets frustrated against howl‘s Mai. You kinda need to do that by zoning him if you can

[grizzled heart]

Yeah you have to make him over commit

[plush delta]

Then catch him off guard with a big combo when he overcommits or forces the issue or tries to do a fireball war

[grizzled heart]

then capitalize on the cracks in his gameplay

Orochi Shermie is great for this because you can force them to overcommit or just stay completely still w/ her HCF kiss fireballs

[plush delta]

Don’t play into his game even if it’s “lame”

[grizzled heart]

A lot of times players will just commit to a jump in against the close hcf fireball and get hit I’ve seen it a billion times

It’s kind of like your laying traps

and if you let her get going you have to completely stop a lot of the time or you’ll get caught

idk if like exclusively orochi shermie is the answer but her gameplan inherently counters mac tbh

it’s definitely also a mindset thing I don’t play characters that zone but I’ll just try and turtle or play lame in the final round against mac if he’s playing Terry

[lament mirage]

So yall did not see me fight Airsucks?

[plush delta]

You mean airsick?

[lament mirage]

Ah

I am terrible with names

[lament mirage]

But yes

[obtuse dock]

https://youtu.be/F_E-DSJ7tss

Found this guide, the guy covers pretty basic and entry level stuff but gives you a general idea of the character

He has a couple of guides that are helpful to newcomers imo

[grizzled heart]

I’ve watched these

[rancid marlin]

For K I can give a little advice

Still in the process of learning Iori actually though believe it or not

Similar to Kula you can get easy EX ein trigger combo from any light attack

Try to get used to following up ein trigger second shell with minute spike.

You dont have to EX the ein trigger in neutral when trying the punish the jump, really can save that half a bar for the minute spike then do Heavy DP but it will be in the opposite direction since it switches sides

People will try to roll so much when you are trying to ein, so be wary of the rolls, stay alert use neutral jump when needed

[grizzled heart]

oh yeah I know that combo

[rancid marlin]

Tbh when I play him I just dont want the opponent to get behind me

[grizzled heart]

He has so many combo specifics i be forgetting stuff mid match

[rancid marlin]

I try to treat him like a wall. The light confirms so important really I have to get better myself at cashing in more

[rancid marlin]

Just choose the easiest ones for you to do at the time like you have for Kyo and get used to using those. It can be overwhelming cause he has so many options. If you noticed I didn't go for the quick minute spike combos much, I can hit them but sometimes I don't want to risk dropping. I have easier alternatives I can use. Really just practice is all

There are often new K combos I may see I will consider them depending on the practicality and the damage really

[grizzled heart]

Yeah I lab all this stuff just have trouble doing it in match for some reason

[rancid marlin]

Tbh I say just go for it when you're playing with us at least. I've been trying out certain combos too when I've been playing with you all so best place to do it is when sparring. Gives an opportunity also to form a habit up cleaning up inputs. This game seems to give DP when you hold forward after doing 236 motion

[grizzled heart]

For sure

[obtuse dock]

I was labbing this and I got it just fine

Try 214D6C instead of 214B6C

[torn drift]

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-dragon-ball-z-let-go-rage-anger-gif-17162923

[torn drift]

That might be the secret sauce I’ll try it

[obtuse dock]

Like I suggested here mf 😤

[torn drift]

ありがとう

[torn drift]

Don’t pin this on me

How do you expect me to listen to you when I get lost in your big beautiful brown eyes

[obtuse dock]

Damn how do you know I have Brown eyes

[torn drift]

☺️

@obtuse dock do you have to time it at all

Y’all making me turn my ps5 on

[plush delta]

Are you sure of this? Can you post a video? I looked up dreamcancel and I think you have to cancel to weave to dash back to straight punch.

It’s this 3rd combo

[obtuse dock]

I already turned my PS4 off

I'll record it tomorrow

[obtuse dock]

It wasn't a Tight timing

[torn drift]

I tried it got it

Just not the dp at the end

I’ll lab it mañana

That’s Mexican for tomorrow

I learned it from Diego

[plush delta]

I got it after howl’s tip without the dp

[torn drift]

@plush delta

[obtuse dock]

For the dp you will have to cancel the straight punch into weave and then DP

[torn drift]

Wtf

What’s the input

@obtuse dock you mind connotating the full combo

Plz

[plush delta]

That makes sense now. It’s a super hard combo.

[obtuse dock]

J.c cl.d (4)6 a (4)6 ac 236b6a 214d6c 214a 623c

[torn drift]

You’re the best

Not really that’s @mild parcel

But you’re up there

[obtuse dock]

I'll take what I can 😤🤝

Aight wife is giving me the look, I'll go to bed before I get howl'd

[plush delta]

https://youtu.be/91U7fseLUlY

[snow beacon]

How dare you use Whip as your dummy!

Redo it and use Kula. Nao!

[plush delta]

It was random 😦 I should have used yashiro or Kula since they annoy me the most

[snow beacon]

Yash is up there for me, too.

[plush delta]

Yeah they’re privileged

[snow beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/gorila-slam-dunk-slam-dunk-hanamichi-gif-20754448

But all good. Nothing better to bring people together than a common enemy lol.

[plush delta]

Good thing no one here mains yashiro or gato

Or even Jenet

I tested out Vanessa and terry and they’re not for me

Shunei is still in

Also had good results with Ramon the last 2 nights (I’ll main him when he gets buffed)

Who should I learn next.

Yuri or one of the metas (krohnen? Jenet? Rock?)

[mild parcel]

[rancid marlin]

None of them

[plush delta]

Daru not wanting to share yuri

[plush delta]

I’m thinking learning Isla or Dolores as well

[lament mirage]

Oh no

Not more crossmix

[torn drift]

Don’t use howl as a verb wth lol

[obtuse dock]

Ramón is crazy fun to use

[obtuse dock]

But it works dude

[torn drift]

[obtuse dock]

[obtuse dock]

https://tenor.com/view/go-away-bye-ignored-no-gif-5264896

[torn drift]

How dare you

[obtuse dock]

How dare YOU

[plush delta]

I’m gonna main him when they buff his normals

My grappler ranking in terms of my enjoyment of using them: Clark > Ramon > o yashiro > Shermie > dinosaur (haven’t learned) but I enjoy all of them

[obtuse dock]

Imagine if they add Daimon to the roster, you'll like him a lot

I always enjoyed Daimon more than Clark

[lament mirage]

Shermie so low

[torn drift]

You’re just full of bad takes aren’t you

[obtuse dock]

Yeah, bad luck I guess 😔

[torn drift]

It’s ok you’re a Vanessa player

We’re all down bad one way or the other

[plush delta]

Still higher than a lot of others non grapplers

[obtuse dock]

@plush delta what characters have you yet to try?

[torn drift]

He’s tested them all for the damage form

But angel

I know y’all have t touched angel because she might not be for you but I’ll never stop recommending her lol

[plush delta]

Characters I haven’t learned: isla, Dolores, yuri, K’, whip, krohnen, Angel, Mai, Mary, Leona, Elisabeth, Antonov, dinosaur, kyo, iori, Chizuru, Chris, Rock, Jenet, Geese, billy, yamazaki, rugal, nako

Some of these I have tried briefly but didn’t get down to really learning

Or actually using them in matches

[torn drift]

Mai’s on the list?

That’s shocking

[plush delta]

Yeah she’s one of the ones I tried briefly and didn’t like

[torn drift]

Actually kinda you like ya gals wholesome, only thing wholesome about her is her commitment to the ceremony of marriage

[plush delta]

I could try putting more time into her

[torn drift]

She’s fun

She can also cat and mouse

Like Andy does with her lol

[obtuse dock]

Didn't you main Kyo?

[torn drift]

I don’t think so. Unless he said so before I’ve never seen him play kyo

[plush delta]

Nope. Never.

[obtuse dock]

Oh ok, it was someone else then

[plush delta]

Rekkas give me trouble so I never play rekka characters

[torn drift]

That’s Dunc, Boku, and Rait I believe

[obtuse dock]

I tried Kyo but didn't clicked with me

[torn drift]

Angel doesn’t have rekkas 😏

[plush delta]

I can unga with kyo

[obtuse dock]

I don't know what it takes for a character to click with me but I just tried them and if they feel right let's go

[torn drift]

I think if you actually say kyo 3 times in the mirror with the lights off Dunc shows up

[obtuse dock]

@plush delta Vanessa is the only character that I forced my way to use her

[plush delta]

I can play all of these on a basic level, it’s just the ones that I haven’t tried to learn the combos and neutral and test them in matches

[obtuse dock]

I hate charge characters but I like Vanessa a lot (any character that boxes really) so I commit myself to use her

[torn drift]

For a character to click with me they need to have 2 things

[plush delta]

My Vanessa experiment is over actually. She doesn’t fit me and I’m not interested in learning her harder stuff

[obtuse dock]

I feel you, same thing happened with angel, I really like the way she plays, like just looking at it, but I don't feel like learning her

[torn drift]

[plush delta]

Yeah. Combos need to be fun and i would need to feel comfortable with their neutral

[torn drift]

I actually really like your approach, Vanessa is one of the harder characters and you still tried her. Gave her a fair shot before giving up on her

[obtuse dock]

Look at it this way, if I don't learn angel then I won't kick your ass with you main

[obtuse dock]

She does that for me dude

[torn drift]

You genuinely think that’s something I wouldn’t enjoy

[obtuse dock]

||she hot af||

[obtuse dock]

True

[plush delta]

Vanessa has a fantastic visual design. Her older sprites even more

[torn drift]

You’re telling an Angel, Juri, I-No player you’re gonna stop them with their waifu, ooooooh nooooooo the agony

[torn drift]

Her sprite work is beautiful

I hate her sandals

[plush delta]

And her striped pants

Vanessa went full Karen waist down

[torn drift]

Her top half of the player model screams mommy her bottom half screams mother

[plush delta]

Sandals are never sexy

In fact they are opposite of sexy

[torn drift]

I also don’t like the way her pants fit her

kinda bell bottomy

[plush delta]

Yeah I see it

[obtuse dock]

Her sandals sucks man

[obtuse dock]

The last color tried to mimic her old design, with the green pants....but the sandals

[torn drift]

Look what they took from us

[obtuse dock]

2002 Vanessa is the best

Btw @torn drift you and I are the nessa gang now since Oli dropped her, I forgot to tell you that try to make an habit to do weaver (214a/c) after everything (except low punch and kick) since it cancels animations aaaand if you hold it it gives her upper body invulnerability

[torn drift]

Thank you

Yeah I know he was telling me nessa wasn’t for him

[torn drift]

ありがとう

[obtuse dock]

Also it throws people off if you move a lot with (214/236 b/d) lol

[torn drift]

Her dashes

[obtuse dock]

Yep

[torn drift]

Gotcha

Thank you nessa sage

[grizzled heart]

Mai is wholesome

Vanessa too

[lament mirage]

Vanessa is a Family WoMan

She took Guile's advice

[torn drift]

Wish oli would join us but he’s too busy enjoying his characters and having fun

Idk what that’s like

[grizzled heart]

Real af Cien

[rancid marlin]

Funny because I tried out Isla a while ago just another unique character but don’t think I’d like to play her. Wouldn’t mind learning how to fight these kind of characters in all seriousness.

[plush delta]

What don’t you like about her? @torpid quarry mains her and makes her look fun. Have you fought Tripp’s Isla?

[rancid marlin]

Have not faced him yet. But just not that interested in her, she looks fun though

[plush delta]

I decided I’m gonna try Isla

[plush delta]

Is Isla the only character that can do 5A into command normal as part of her light starter?

Also I think krohnen is the only character that can cancel command normal from his sweep with 2C 3D? Which you can cancel to his ex dp for huge combo damage

[rancid marlin]

I know rock can do this as well may be a few more

[plush delta]

That provides a huge advantage and makes light starters way easier. I’m just learning this is a thing right now, 9 months after I’ve started playing

[rancid marlin]

Better late than never

[plush delta]

I’m gonna look more into this

[plush delta]

@runic rain need your knowledge on this

[snow beacon]

Andy

I just don’t because i is scrubs

[runic rain]

No the entire cast can

It's just either or not it will CONNECT

Also is their far 5A special cancellable

[snow beacon]

I’m sure he meant this

[runic rain]

Ah if that's so then yes, Isla 5a does connect

Angel, Isla, Rugal, Yuri, Andy BITCH ASS, there's more

[snow beacon]

Andy loves your equestrian ass, too