KOF Gameplay Videos

[calm hamlet]

Btw the above tech I mentioned for Iori and Heidern are simple setups that you can incorporate for your characters too. Learn a setup mix after a hkd

It could be as simple as a safe jump setup into a hop or empty low or even grab

[timber imp]

I'll take a replay of a fight I Reverse OCVed someone with her and highlight all the traps and setups I like to use

[pure lark]

My head hurts

[calm hamlet]

Luna has a guaranteed dash grab after knockdown setup that always gets everyone

Don’t drop her. Any character you pick up will have the same issue since they will be new.

Seriously steal some of Luna’s tech

[light pine]

Damn Oliver is serious because he didn't recommend Robert

[calm hamlet]

Use Robert cause his neutral is piss easy

I practice what I preach. I use Robert

[light pine]

His neutral is boring

Coming from the person who played Joe and Liz

2 also boring characters

[calm hamlet]

Robert army

[potent cloak]

use K’ his neutral is easy

[nova mango]

Aint no way you called my boy Joe boring😭

[pure lark]

Ig I'm just pissed because, like, all I wanna do is help people. But how the fuck am I supposed to help people if I'm so ignorant?

How can I help people improve if I'm not a challenge?

[light pine]

Joe is boring until he gets people to the corner

[pure lark]

Why would anyone take me seriously if I'm so garbage at this game?

I'm trying to be better about self-deprecation, sure. But I'm so ignorant and stupid it's difficult to deal with without passing judgement

[calm hamlet]

Remember your therapy

[past sail]

Is it ignorance if you're aware of it?

[pure lark]

Yeah, last session we basically talked about how an ex-boyfriend was angry at me for fucking up all the time while we were dating. And it's getting difficult to pull myself out of the mindset I was in back then when that relationship was going on.

[pure lark]

I'm aware of it after the fact, which means I was ignorant to it before.

I should probably just go for a run or something

Or pet a puppy

Idk

But I still have a lot to do today

And I need to do dishes

Fuck

[late swan]

WOW LMAOOOOO

[light pine]

Love you brother

[late swan]

Despite what you think, I think you've gotten better Lou

I said it yesterday but it's just somethings you need to tighten up

You recognizing them is alreadya good thing

[nova mango]

Joe is cool anywhere he goes😤

[light pine]

Oh right, it's kinda farther up there but I forgot to ask specifically. If I had any glaring issues in the set k play against zero. Daru recommend I definitely should try throwing more so I wondering if there was a lot more I should look into

[dapper bramble]

I'm watching this rn actually @pure lark

Dolores doing some stuff

But Kim really doing sum

[pure lark]

My Shermie is a complete liability for 6-7 out of the 10 matches

[dapper bramble]

gotta just play her Toxic like Luna

Lol grimy Shermie players

Seem like you didn't have many "answers" with Shermie like you did with your other fighters

Like when you are facing like Iori pressure or something

But this man Kim does so much goddamn damage omg

[pure lark]

Yeah, because I'm not good with Shermie

[potent cloak]

Kim does huge damage

[dapper bramble]

As soon as I see this msg you hit a 70% combo with her

[late swan]

One of the few things he's good at lmao

[pure lark]

Anyone can hit a 70% damage combo with Shermie

[dapper bramble]

I still have hardly played him except in random lol

[potent cloak]

If you commit a crime (whiffing, dropping combos) he shows you JUSTICE (billion damage combo for 2 bars)

[pure lark]

Her combo execution is braindead easy

[dapper bramble]

Absolutely

but the neutral game can be a test of patience and wits

[pure lark]

Yeah, which is what separates me from good players

[dapper bramble]

Good GC roll out of the Iori blockstring

[pure lark]

Me using shermie on wakeup

[dapper bramble]

definitely the best Shermie round I've seen so far

on fight #5

[pure lark]

Yeah, that's the round I start actually using lights

[dapper bramble]

and then Kim hits the 5000000 dmg combo

this Dolores really anchoring though

[pure lark]

She has to

My other fighters don't do shit

[dapper bramble]

Yeah I see a lot of yall struggle against Iori

I get it though

He is doing stuff

Sylvie vs Iori

[dapper bramble]

Like when I see Iori on the other team I know what time it is lol

They gonna do that Iori shit

and I gotta play the dodge the coked out Redhead man game

It's ok though

cause I play Iori too.

[pure lark]

Yeah

[dapper bramble]

@late swan Kim is literally evil

He's the Injustice Kim

hahaha this makes me want to use Kim

@pure lark good Sylvie round though here towards the end.

[potent cloak]

Injustice 2 Kim Kaphwan

[dapper bramble]

@pure lark after watching this idk if I can agree with you on the "skill issue"

prolly need to brush up on the MU's maybe

like the specifics

[pure lark]

How many times did I land a GC CD?

How many times did I land a run-up cl.5A?

How many times did I lose due to mashing?

How many dps completely whiffed?

Nah. I definitely have a ways to go

And my movement was sluggish while Zero was zooming around the screen

My defense was bad -- didn't hit a single AA with Shermie

Too many sweeps

[dapper bramble]

I can go back and count if you want me to. But that's not really what I meant here

[pure lark]

The answer to all of these are
0
0
12
5

The point is, yes, some issues in the matchups were knowledge checks. Sure.

But that's not why I lost

10 in a row

[dapper bramble]

Decision making.

[pure lark]

The big thing is bad decisions, poor use of lights, bad defense, poor mobility, ineffective blockstrings, minimal frametraps, too much passivity, and just overall very weak pressure

[dapper bramble]

yeah def need to counterpoke a bit more

we should battle sometimes?

you down to vc?

[pure lark]

Can't tonight, unfortunately

[dapper bramble]

I think we should do this more here

cause its easy to internalise when there is a lack of communication

[pure lark]

Will certainly consider

Next time I'll be able to play here is probably Thursday night or Friday though

[dapper bramble]

ok cool

[timber imp]

What did I doooooo?
Lmao

[late swan]

You did nothing wrong Luna

Shermie is just toxic

[timber imp]

And blame Lou for the wake up whiff Lv1

Lmao

[timber imp]

But she doesn't use poison

LMFAO

[late swan]

And Heidern is my antidote

[timber imp]

You know what's funny?
Heidern is usually a pretty good mu for me
Cuz both Shermies can deal with him pretty easy
But your Heid? Completely different story

[dapper bramble]

u know what you did

[timber imp]

I just spam roll and 70% combos!
Is that so bad?
Lmao

[potent cloak]

Yes

Everything changed when Luna said Kyo sucked

[late swan]

@nova mango https://youtu.be/VyH1xgIr7TY

[timber imp]

I never said he sucked
I only said he has no personality

Lmao

[nova mango]

I'll watch that later when I get off work👍

[calm hamlet]

I watched most of the video, I can see you adapting to zero eventually if you play him more and understanding the matchups especially against Kim and Heidern to a smaller extent

[late swan]

https://youtu.be/9GVJRUUeiUw @light pine

If the music is to overpowering my bad

I tried my best to mix it as well as I could

Also if anyone wants the music I used let me know the time stamp and I'll give you the track

[nova mango]

Yeah, somewhere throughout the match, I entered some sort of hyper-focus where I adapted a lot better to zeros patterns and strings, even blocking a heidern "alpha blade" and almost punishing him for it

I dont know quite how I did it, but if I could achieve this "hyper-focus" thing more often or simply get better at the game (lmao) I might be able to take a lot more than just 10% of the games

[dapper bramble]

Off rip. @light pine is owning his space with Joe. I love it

[late swan]

Yeah in the beginning of the set he was cooking

Past game 4 or 5 You can see the hesitation

[potent cloak]

The low quality really makes this

[potent cloak]

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1677015996324798479?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

[dapper bramble]

misete yarou

[nova mango]

Labbed out a funny bm combo.
Almost reaches terry level damage for the amount of bar used

I'm probably never going to use it though🤣

[late swan]

I can you send you the quick max combo I use with her on mid later Dyl

It's practically the same one you used midscreen

[nova mango]

I used to use QM combos for bm a while back, but now I only use a bar or so for her combos, so terry has some meter to play with

[late swan]

Makes sense

[nova mango]

I mean, hell I got a perfect on Luna's shermie without burning a ton of meter

BM makes a lot of meter back for combos too

She spends a bar and gets half a bar back

[timber imp]

Why am I the Training Dummy for everyone's safe jumps?

Lmfao

[late swan]

LMAO

I get surprised sometimes when you get hit by the safe jumps I use

[nova mango]

Because you're the one who happens to get hit by them when I'm recording

[potent cloak]

Luna a masher

[nova mango]

Shermie players amiright

[late swan]

Confirmed evidence

[warm raptor]

L-una

[timber imp]

Bad Lil Trippy!

[light pine]

https://youtu.be/YSqhazD--UA

I'm not gonna lie, I didn't edit this one too well so forgive that I beg of you.

[light pine]

If anyone has any advice please @ me

[late swan]

once my tournament run is done I'll take a look

[light pine]

Ah good luck

[late swan]

Ok so after watching this the first things that come to mind are
unnecessary rolls
running into stuff since you almost always wanna do run up 2B
Chasing for hit when you don't need to
other than that you did alright the other things you need to work on are obvious like learning how to hit the jump button deep enough to the combo work on hit confirms etc

[light pine]

Alright, how else am I supposed to hit someone? Not trying to sound stupid or anything? Like with Shingo, I either gotta run/jump, or Shingo kick to them. I feel about most people are gonna block a full jump in. Not saying I never try it though

[late swan]

What I'm saying is don't run in all the way just to press 2B

Shingo and joe's run speed won't allow it

That's why I hit you with so many sweeps because I'm checking your run

Maybe instead of just running all the way in maybe run abit then neutral hop

or run a bit stop and then run again

You make it to obvious by running fullscreen

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxf4B8NnVZXbY0SnUOxhelkjnA83ZaLYkp See

You got clipped by a fireball because you wanted to run

[calm hamlet]

Be comfortable with your character’s best distance. You don’t need to be running in to be right next to them all the time

[light pine]

Okay, so Shingo is about useless at like round start and beyond. As I assume most characters are without a fireball or something adjacent. So as I said before. The whole point is that I get over to them to get into his best distance.

[late swan]

Or just block round start

Nothing wrong with holding down back

[calm hamlet]

He has Shingo kick to close distances

[light pine]

Side note to this I tried doing this with Yamazki and people just rolled his big buttons and I got punished. Just wanted to mention that

[calm hamlet]

Rolling is always an option, but it gets punished if you are predictable with it

[light pine]

It's SUPER predictable though. Which is why definitely I just don't even consider it as much as I once did

[light pine]

And then that leads to the block pressure blender right?

[late swan]

Most people back up round start

They start going in round start then defend your space (please don't use sweep for this)

[calm hamlet]

Then don’t be predictable with it

[light pine]

I'm saying, as a Shingo thing. Not as a me thing. I only use it now about like maybe 2-4 times in neutral

And it's only as a fireball guess

Since it gets beaten by like all abare air buttons or I just get read really hard by some other players.

[light pine]

@pure lark you wouldn't happen to have the vod of earlier would you?

[pure lark]

It's on my twitch

[light pine]

Okay sick I was looking for it earlier but I didn't see it

[pure lark]

Wait, shit, why didn't it save?

I'll upload the matches in parts later. I'm at a show rn

[light pine]

Ah you're totally fine brother

[light pine]

https://youtu.be/UJE7L2crug0

The set with Cien from this morning

Any advice for I believe either of us would be good. Positive and criticism

[pure lark]

Advice: feed Mr. Owl fruit before the fight and they won't come to your stream hooting about

https://clips.twitch.tv/AmusedFlaccidEagleStrawBeary-kBdrXsnz9vgrfj7T

I'll check the vod tomorrow - going to be breaking my back for the next 7 hours

[light pine]

Did you really get banned in this stream?

[pure lark]

No, but I wouldn't blame him of he did tbh

[dapper bramble]

He was about to ban me

[light pine]

https://www.twitch.tv/hen_ty1er

Sorry if this is just a plug but I'm playing ranked rn so I thought it would be fine to put this here

If anyone has anything they'd like to say just type it in chat or here

[calm hamlet]

Even your secondaries are great

[light pine]

THE GAME CRASHED?

[calm hamlet]

You shouldn’t be trying to rank down

You can easily go above rank 20

[light pine]

Really?

[calm hamlet]

Yeah you got their combos down

You’re really good and have leveled up tremendously

If you’re willing to grind it, I think you can reach rank 27 with your main team.

And if you continue working on it, champion is very attainable

[light pine]

O.Yash is so dangerous just to look at

Damn

It's fights like that is what I hate ranked

Got fucking washed by a Joe who just jumped

[potent cloak]

Wish I could play O Yash

Love him

[light pine]

WHY I AM I FIGHTING HIM AGAIN

I wanna delete this game so bad

I've gotten hit with 4 STUN COMBOS TODAY

All from the same Joe

[calm hamlet]

You’re fighting a Smurf

No actual rank 17 player can do a stun combo consistently

[potent cloak]

Dyl

[light pine]

Ranked games like that is why I think I'm really bad

[calm hamlet]

Nah that was a Smurf. Plus you’re also using a secondary team

[pure lark]

Ggs @silver owl

[silver owl]

Thanks

Gotta go help a friend, but i'll be back later

It was fun!

[nova mango]

I ain't no rank 17 anymore

[potent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-nod-gif-4351302

Bro said “boy… it ain’t a big enough town for me and these other rank 17’s… darn tootin”

[nova mango]

Boy howdy, that's exactly what imma sayin.

[late swan]

https://youtu.be/Olu_f-b355s

@calm hamlet @covert dirge Finally done

[calm hamlet]

Too easy!

[late swan]

I will say the first person I played I got to silly lmao

I've played them before and ovc'd them multiple times

but other than that the 3 matches I played how I normally would

[covert dirge]

no way I would've done a runback after getting the rank 😂

[timber imp]

LMAO
I tried to play ranked after getting to Champ
Know what happened?
Lost my 5 stars
Now I'm one defeat away from Rank 30 and I'm never playing ranked again

[late swan]

That last guy was pretty good it's the only reason why I rematched

it's a rare commodity for me to find someone who is at least decent in this game on rank

[timber imp]

Yup
It's all trolls and spammers

[covert dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19495866

[timber imp]

As a Shermie player, I'm not out of this one
Lmfao

[nova mango]

https://youtu.be/H3SbcUyfoto

Idk if anyone's seen this set yet but holy shit

[shrewd obsidian]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=myWscNZ_QIk

Hard fought set

[dapper bramble]

He punished the Iori sweep with EX hangetsan

[late swan]

Timestamp?

[dapper bramble]

1:32

[late swan]

shit that's a real punish lol

I gotta lab out what other sweeps I can punish with ex Hangetsuzan now

[nova mango]

Yeah I was genuinely surprised

And apparently Xiaohai has a cracked anchor Terry, so I gotta watch him play more

[potent cloak]

He’s good w/ like every character

[nova mango]

Yeah fr

I was watching the clip, and I didn't know you could do an ex dp after power geyser in corner

I've just been ending the combo with an otg ex power dunk after the geyser

[dapper bramble]

@light pine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE5K5R-h1gQ

[light pine]

I swear if this video is just gonna tell me to super jump the fireball I might lose my hair

[dapper bramble]

lol just give it a chance

there are multiple suggestions here

[late swan]

Answering fireballs in this game isn't gonna be black and white Tyler

You gotta be willing to try and mix up your options

When I fought Poli, they knew how to zone and I got frustrated just as much as you do when you fight king and ash but I still tried and came up with different options

some worked out

some didn't

Just gotta be willing to try

and it's ok to be wrong 8 9 10 times in a row

As long as you are right in that one instance and capitalize it you will be a lot more comfortable when it comes to dealing with zoners in this game

[timber imp]

My solution to Poli's King was O. Shermie
Cuz she is an anti zoner, so I had LOTS of tools to deal with it
Chiz also did a good job because she can deflect projectiles

But with Angel and Billy as point?
My solution was cry and fight 2v3
Lmfao

Same as your Heidern
Whenever you get Heidern point...
I have to bring Shermie or O. Shermie to point
Otherwise Angel and Billy will be useless

[light pine]

https://youtu.be/KkmZHGSy1mM

Alright it's long, so I don't really expect anyone to watch it. But I still don't know what the difference between game 1 where I was struggling and like game 6 I think, where I started doing better

[light pine]

Hell even watching it back it just looks I shoto ed well in at like the 28:50 mark and after that. Since Robert was doing all of the hard carrying

And uh my confirms were not great this set. But I think I was doing what I set out to do which to not back off after they block something

[dapper bramble]

that round 1 fumble. Gotta not wakeup shatterstrike..

Also be very mindful up like wakeup sweep in general. KOF is hop city

[dapper bramble]

you got some good pokes in and stuff, but try to realize that you're not poking them just to poke. You are fishing for an opening to combo them. You'll get it more as you do it though

[dapper bramble]

just started going harder with calling out those jumps and rolls I love it, also Robert combo confirms was much better.. Ayo good shit dude I see you won at the end. This guy ran out of steam but you were relentless

[light pine]

This is probably one of the things I have a lot of trouble doing or maybe understanding. Like I poke them with 5B and it hits. What's supposed to come after that?

[dapper bramble]

back to neutral you go..

[light pine]

Oof

[dapper bramble]

I mean this happens a lot anyways. You can't cancel every move into a special or command normal, so literally you hit them. What will you do next? Will you go for another attack? Will you cancel that attack into a QM combo? Or will you defend and watch they do?

Pick one. Whichever you feel like the most reasonable at the time.

[light pine]

Normally, I try to like press the offensive but I kinda get hit with a reversal or something on my way up to them.

[dapper bramble]

PREDICTABO

[light pine]

But eh, I'll think about being being defensive I suppose

[dapper bramble]

It's why you gotta move forward and like stop. Run up, pause, like juke them you know? They'll think you're coming and try to attack with a counterpoke. If they DP from you running up... well free dmg lol

Also varying your jump patterns. Which I saw you do in this set even though you did hop forward a majority of the time. You did do some neutral jumps though which is good

[light pine]

I mean after watching that TNS final with you. I mean neutral jumping beats a few things but sometimes I just forget about it in the moment

[dapper bramble]

I forget about it too until I get smacked from trying to jump forward

It's very good to use regularly

[light pine]

The positive thing I think I saw from watching it. Is that I kinda did really well with the Shoto stuff with Robert later in the set. As well as kind of sticking to people as Leona. I didn't really back off of as much as I normally do

[dapper bramble]

yeah that was wassup fr. You did good. Why don't u throw Leona on point? So u can get more used to her Bnb in match?

[light pine]

Oh um

Great question

[dapper bramble]

Cause you don't super with her often either. And I get it cause that shit is like weird

[light pine]

Yeah she only needs like half a bar and she'll just reuse that

[dapper bramble]

well there u go then.. just a suggestion

[shrewd obsidian]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=14n0SNOZIXg

Little something for a few of us

Great set overall

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NHFrpvc90Zk

And another one. I remember watching MADKOF play XIII way back in the day, even tho he’s up against a meta team this is worth the watch

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DcgnpkKjss8

Good stuff here as well

[dapper bramble]

My brother in arms is playing Samsho fr I love it

[light pine]

Oh yeah I watch that video looking for Haohmaru gameplay. They make Darli look not bad

The amount of cross ups was insane to me

[late swan]

Anytime I see madkof play I get the urge to play geese heidern iori instead of Kim

[nova mango]

Fake Kim Kaphwan Fan🤡🤡🤡

[late swan]

I'm sorry that I want to play a character with more consistent neutral than Kim lmao

[timber imp]

You just wanna call people predictabo

[light pine]

You should try Shingo

[late swan]

That's a bonus I just like pressing his big ass buttons

I'm never trying shingo

[nova mango]

I dont blame you bro, I dropped Kim after like a week

[timber imp]

He is fun af
Being shirtless is also a plus

[potent cloak]

Same bro

K’ better

Kim buffs incoming doe

[timber imp]

Only I am loyal to Kim

[nova mango]

I'll play Kim when I play casually

[shrewd obsidian]

Just try some drugs, what’s the worst that can happen?

[shrewd obsidian]

Do it that team sounds scary. Oh I forgot to mention this the other night but I really liked your Yuri. Need to incorporate some of the stuff I saw you doing

[shrewd obsidian]

Kinda looked like he had something to say to me

[warm raptor]

On gta

[light pine]

What's it gonna take for you to play team samurai showdown instead?

[late swan]

None of the characters on that team interest me

[light pine]

Damn, they got 2 of the hottest characters in the game though

[late swan]

Their are some cool shasho characters they just aren't in the game

[potent cloak]

Ukyo the coolest

Genjuro

Shiki

[late swan]

I would of much preferred Shiki, Galford, Iroha, or Yashamaru

[potent cloak]

(Shiki wouldve translated really well to KOF)

[light pine]

Never played showdown but I do know it has warden in the game

[potent cloak]

Kazuki

Kusaregedo for KOF XV 🤡

Samsho V Sp the goat

Ukyo would be terrible in KOF

[late swan]

Yeah maybe I'll try the team out for a week or so and thanks I feel like every time I come back to Yuri she becomes a lot more comfortable in my hands

Still getting use to jump arc when it comes to hop pressure but I have gotten use to her range

[shrewd obsidian]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u_tFiV_PHXY#dialog

Love watching clown behavior get downloaded

Plus Yurikov seems like a chill dude from all our interactions

[late swan]

I missed my chance to play yurikov yesterday when he was streaming he seems like a chill dude

[covert dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05WNK0xILrE

[shrewd obsidian]

I skipped to the end to see “The Rait” and was let down

Well done tho 🔥

[shrewd obsidian]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq4mZHgZ9tI

You’ll know when you see it

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7oSKumaUDS4

[light pine]

I'm live on Twitch, come hang out! https://www.twitch.tv/Hen_Ty1er?sr=a

For anyone who wants to see me fight Zero @pure lark if you're curious

[pure lark]

Once I'm sober!

[light pine]

Nah it's ended.

A vod should be up but the first like 10 or so minutes will be nothing

[late swan]

@shrewd obsidian This is what happend

[shrewd obsidian]

Oh ok. Looks like a guess to me @light pine or did you react too quickly?

[late swan]

I think he reacted to quickly imo

[light pine]

It was a reaction

[late swan]

if he just a tad bit I think the 2C would of hit or at the very least traded

[light pine]

But just a really bad one I suppose

[shrewd obsidian]

Good problem to have. Also this seems like as good a time as any to say, but you might be hurting yourself by trying all these new characters and not sticking with any long term

Not saying you have to be married to a team

But I feel like every time I read the chat you’re trying a whole ass new team

[late swan]

Facts

[shrewd obsidian]

Like, not even rotating a new character in with 2 you know

[light pine]

I don't disagree, but I don't feel "comfortable" with any team anymore because they legit all have a glaring weakness. Or it's because I legit get made like an example of how not to play KOF with even my "main" team.

So I just felt I should like just step away from the characters and try something else

[shrewd obsidian]

Yes all characters have weaknesses (except for Kyo and Iori). Take my team for example. Shun has no stellar AA so he gets full jumped on a LOT. Yuri is stubby as all hell. Isla has the slowest DP in the game by far

But their strengths in that same order are. Hella mobility. Hell damage for cheap. Hella mobility and damage for cheap lol

[light pine]

Which I did, and at least right now, maybe I need to calm down first. But I just don't like any of the roster right now. Just looking at all the characters I just had a strong feeling to like delete the game.

Like I look at my best team and see them just kinda not doing anything better or worse than like my 2nd or 3rd etc.

[shrewd obsidian]

One more time

You’re not at the point where you have multiple teams

[late swan]

Don't look at the team as whole imo

[shrewd obsidian]

Really trying to be nice about this but that’s an issue

[light pine]

I get it, I always understood it. I ain't gonna tell you to call me bad or anything. But I without a doubt have the most "fun" trying new characters. It's just how I am as a person and how I have fun with games like this.

[light pine]

How am I supposed to look at a team?

[shrewd obsidian]

Believed. Try and see how it looks from my perspective; you’re in here talking about fun but also having a hard time with the losing that goes along with the choice you’ve made to play all these characters

[late swan]

It's a team game but it's not like we have assists or tag mechanics so we don't have to think that muhc hard if a team is "good" or not

It relies more on the character strength

[light pine]

Of course, that's why I settled on me not ever like "winning" against a lot of people just above me. But Zero is kind of a different story since he wanted me to play the game. So I always give it my best regardless

[light pine]

Alright, I look at the characters on the team, and say man I'm not that good with about any of them and they lose about equally. Or rather perhaps, they don't feel good against people significantly better than I am.

[shrewd obsidian]

It’s good to have someone to play these games with, I’m low key a little jealous since none of my irl friends play FG’s

I don’t want to go too far down the rabbit hole of comparing but here’s a couple differences I see between you guys. No shade whatsoever just saying my perspective

Zero picks strong characters. Im not sure how he arrives on these choices but they are nearly all universally considered good to great. You seem to play who you think looks cool or based on some other metric

Zero knows setups like safe jumps and other various ways to start offense. I feel like I’ve never seen you safe jump at me once but maybe you do against other players

And again if it’s fun your after then none of that matters

But if we’re talking about winning then it might be time to adopt some of these strats

If you were in here and all I ever saw was, “Oh man I’m having so much fun and really enjoying all these characters” I’d never in a million years say any of the above

[light pine]

Like one of the reasons I don't really ever go out of my way to lab safejumps is because I can't land a hit half the time. Let alone one into a hard knockdown.

[light pine]

Don't get it twisted, I enjoy about all the teams I play. It's real enjoyable, but the amount I lose really doesn't seem to back up my apparent skill level.

Personally I think I can only confirm and land combos, but like not much else and they just is barely enough in some games, and isn't enough in other games

[shrewd obsidian]

Have you ever gone in the lab after something like this and recreated it to mess around with your teams options?

We get good at the things we practice

So it would make sense that you’re good at hit confirming and combos if that’s all you do

[light pine]

As I said, I don't know of anything to recreate. Like I'll watch the replays but I just see what everyone else says. Bad button presses, not stopping hops and other offensive things, not being on the offensive enough, not varying my offense, not varying my neutral etc.

[shrewd obsidian]

I literally just gave you an example lol

C’mon man help me help you

[light pine]

It's a jump in

[shrewd obsidian]

Watch it again

What came before the jump

[late swan]

You'd be correct lmao

I got hit by that exact thing before a long time ago so I started exploring with me as the defender and me being on offense with the bot

[light pine]

A first jump in, a 2A and another jump in.

[shrewd obsidian]

Ok good we’re on the same page

So go try it and see what you see

Recreating situations is what the lab is really for imo

Combo practice is whatever, I’ll learn a combo do a few times and then go try in a match

[light pine]

What am I trying to see exactly? What am I looking for?

I'll try it pretty soon

[shrewd obsidian]

How to come out on the winning side of what beat you. Can literally try all your moves. 5A? Nope 2A? Nope or whatever you get me

[light pine]

As I'm in the middle of something, but I just need an idea. Since right now it's anti air later, counter, and or block.

[shrewd obsidian]

Go more in depth than this is what we’re saying. Try ALL of your options even the “dumb” ones. You might be surprised

[light pine]

Since I just didn't react to the first jump and I'm always afraid of frame traps unless I'm not thinking about. So I wouldn't exact just press a button after the 2A

[shrewd obsidian]

This is how I found out I could punish Kyo rekka 1 with Shun far A

[late swan]

For instance if you ran under or walk a bit first then rolled forward you would of escaped the situation

[light pine]

I'm not even looking for an answer just how to get the answer or answers.

I'm supposed to run at a jump in?

[late swan]

I full jumps

[light pine]

The amount of times I do that I kinda get hit in the mouth.

[late swan]

if you ran you would be under me

[shrewd obsidian]

Who knows? That’s for you to discover

[late swan]

point I'm trying to make is move out of the situation you don't have to sit still it's not street fighter

[light pine]

Alright, so I was supposed to measure out the distance between like me and you and decide to run at the hit box? Please I'm not trying to be a dickhead but I just wanna make sure I understand

[shrewd obsidian]

Aight I’ve de-tilted from my rank down lol time to get back it. I’ll check the thread in a while hope to see something

[shrewd obsidian]

You’re supposed to try stuff in the lab because it’s zero stakes

[late swan]

Gotta lab it out

Just like smoke said

[light pine]

Right, that's why I'm asking because I'm really bad at trying stuff out. The options I said are the ones that I would try.

[late swan]

That's the thing you're only trying the ones you know and not experimenting enough

[light pine]

I don't know how, at least that's what I'm thinking. That's why I'm so bad at using the lab like you guys say you use.

[late swan]

That's fine most people don't know how to use training mode properly

You'd be surprised

[light pine]

That's why I just really don't know what I'm supposed to be doing.

I'm looking at this situation and running at a progressing hitbox in 9/10 situations seems like a terrible idea. And then kinda due to varying timings of like an jumping attack, 2C kinda just loses, trades or wins. Blocking is still the safe option, rolling kinda gets punished, and 214A works, but I'm sure as hell never reacting to a jump like that in a game.

At least that's what seem to have gathered from this situation

[shrewd obsidian]

Bro this is why I sometimes think your trolling lol. Look at your controller. See all the buttons?

Setup the situation and press each one a couple times. All of them, like every single one. See what happens

Now look at your special moves list. Same thing

[light pine]

Huh

You want me to just press shit?

That's not even close to anything of what I was thinking Smoke, I'm not trolling at all. I'm just saying what I'm thinking

Even in training, it never once occurred to me to just "press shit" in training against either, a hitbox or a set up. If you were to ever ask me I'd say to just block since that's just the best option I would think

[shrewd obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/thumb-up-thumb-up-eating-thumb-up-moment-gif-18075118

[late swan]

Pretty much Tyler

We want you to lab options

[light pine]

That's what I've been saying, I really didn't understand what "options" y'all were talking about.

Like I understand what I know, but not at all what I don't.

[late swan]

PRESS BUTTONS AND FIGURE IT OUT LMAOOOOO

[light pine]

I'm saying, before this point, y'all would say try your options and I only know the options I already use. When was I supposed to just come up with a new one? Even labbing situations I still only ever came out doing what I already did.

Eh, I've at least untilted but definitely still have a headache. I just feel confused by how I was supposed to know that since I absolutely never thought about just pressing buttons in like any of the games I've ever played. Other than like picking up a new character to get an idea for their range.

[shrewd obsidian]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GRM90NDMwJ0

@light pine Re: labbing

Start at 0:40 Gato reaction to Angel ending Unchained Circle at 0:44 was obviously labbed. There’s no way he just guessed right there

Same thing at 9:00, Hiedern immediately goes in for a full punish

Angel does that audio cue when she back dashes to end her Unchained Circle, that’s how MS knew he was free to go in

We’re not expecting anyone to be a training mode savant day 1. I have tons more to learn and so does everyone else. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves

Hopefully this gives you some ideas on how to think while in there

Whole set is worth a watch btw, lots of great neutral and back and forth

[light pine]

I'm streaming rn, when I'm done I'll give it a view

[shrewd obsidian]

Yep yep no rush bro

Oh one last thing. Please don’t take this as me saying you (or anyone) need to live in the lab. Matches are critical, obviously. Just that this is helpful for when we have questions

I lost a set I should have won on TNS last week and immediately went to go find the answer. Needless to say I was surprised

[warm raptor]

My downfall is that I just guess with no concern for my own life

[shrewd obsidian]

Ok and hear me out…what if you knew the answers to the test, before the test?

Wouldn’t that feel good

[light pine]

Absolutely watching it, with how fast they ran after it, like it felt like it was before the noise. Either that or they have inhumane reaction. Since they would've had to have been holding back, then dash into the heavy starter but like it looks like the noise plays slightly after she backs up. Not to say that it wasn't a reaction, it just seems pretty crazy

Since the set I just played ended in 4-4 so I'll get to uploading that pretty soon.

[shrewd obsidian]

It was definitely after the cue, also gotta remember that his mental stack at that point was basically

A. Will Angel continue her UC string (that has rules)?

B. Or backdash out?

Iow a 50/50 situation

Don’t forget that reacting to stuff is way less of a reaction when it’s been rehearsed

[warm raptor]

You highkey spitting bro

[shrewd obsidian]

[light pine]

https://youtu.be/QzbgbWPQ68k

I definitely dropped some stuff and had some obvious mis inputs. Otherwise I also definitely did some really bad sweeps and other option. Plus I tried to hard to like 2C or DP hops

[dapper bramble]

@light pine there is a Yama on there rn twitch recommend me this

https://www.twitch.tv/rino_all_games

Point Yama

[light pine]

Ah yeah that's Lokof

They can run Yama literally anywhere

[shrewd obsidian]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8h0QS8BA5ZQ

Cool set all around but Maxima tho

[light pine]

I'm live on Twitch, come hang out! https://www.twitch.tv/Hen_Ty1er?sr=a

Somebody come in here and watch me extra lose this FT10

[timber imp]

OMW

[light pine]

Since I need someone to teach my how to fight Iori or I might pop a whole blood vessel

Since I swear to God, he's like unstoppable in all sense of the word

[timber imp]

I'll be honest with you
The day I find an answer is the day I'll beat Zero
Lmfao

I think since he is a well rounded char, it's more about stopping the player than the character
He has answers to almost everything, and his options are all very good

Stop sweeping
Be ready to AA
He is hopping and jumping a lot
Sweep is a check to run up

[light pine]

Like this dude was in novice matchmaking, and I want to uninstall because this dude feels TNS prepared

[timber imp]

He is not novice
For sure

COOL

Yeah
Have your AA ready, he is jumping A LOT

And yeah
All Hate Yash

[light pine]

I try to anti air but just can't react, like maybe he's got a team full of my weaknesses but I really feel I don't stand a chance

[timber imp]

You're doing well for now
5-3
You're close
Don't let the mental stack fuck up the set

[dapper bramble]

@light pine idk if you saw my comment, but I was saying to try to use Whip jump D when you're further out. Can work as air to air too cause it hits horizontally and its two kicks. Neutral jump C and D are like dedicated air to airs

Her jump B is pretty fast too not much reward though

[timber imp]

Wow
Combo

[light pine]

Man this game is something

[timber imp]

GOOD ONE

[light pine]

Wow I freaking hate 2D man

[dapper bramble]

she's playing her own game truly

Whip

[light pine]

Where the hell is my 5C

[timber imp]

Love the Leona overhead

[late swan]

I'm over here thinking your fighting a smurf this guys sucks lmao

[timber imp]

Hm...
You just did something cool there
GC Roll after his 2B, 2A
Cuz every time he is either doing backdash or fireball
That option breaks both of them

[light pine]

He doesn't feel like he sucks

[timber imp]

Bro...
Don't say that
The guy is doing well

Obviously his Iori isn't as good as yours, but it's not like he's playing like my Iori

Lmfao

Fuck
That game was won

[light pine]

Nah I'm need to like uninstall if this is what sucking looks like

[late swan]

https://twitter.com/iDrop_/status/1687518585097424896?s=20

iDrop (@iDrop_)

So @FightCoachFight gave me the knowledge to make it out of pools with EVO and I’m sharing it with y’all

You’re welcome

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[light pine]

This shit is so stupid

[late swan]

Need to follow these rules tyler

Maybe my words are a little harsh but I call it as I see it

I think Tyler can win

[timber imp]

True
I think you may have traumatized him a bit
Iori and Kim seems like triggers to him

Lmfao

[late swan]

It just this guy knows just enough to be dangerous and it's frustrating him

[timber imp]

LMFAO

THE MEATY PARRY

[late swan]

we take those

[dapper bramble]

bro did double parry

[late swan]

Look see Tyler got an ocv

Just play like that more

[timber imp]

NEW TECH ACQUIRED

[dapper bramble]

ok

[timber imp]

Probably doesn't work for Angel or Geese tho...
Every parry should be as long as Yama

YESSSSSS

[late swan]

Never let Luna balance a fighting game

[timber imp]

Cmon bro
Ok, maybe not as long as Yama's
But if you spend a bar for a parry, it can't be shorter than the meterless one you have

And Shermie needs a parry
That comboes into cmd grab for the 80%

[light pine]

That sweep hit my 6B

[timber imp]

AHHHHHHH

[light pine]

Wow this DP is so terrible

[dapper bramble]

[timber imp]

Forget it
Why would she need a parry if her cmd grab is 1f and she also has the invul 214P?

Lmao

[light pine]

Like this dude trip guards with the best of them, A2As me, and like doesn't let up on pressure

[timber imp]

I have to say
My tech to drop less that combo is to fucking MASH 2D While still doing the animation from the ex
Lmao

[light pine]

Nah, I'm gonna be honest, I really wanna delete this damn game after that.

[timber imp]

Bro, it's fine tbh
I feel like you've played better today than ever before
Was already a huge jump from last time we played

[light pine]

Like I felt powerless that whole time, like I never once felt I could do anything. Other than like the occasional combo

Like he said he still feels like a beginner at this game

[timber imp]

And yet, you OCVed the guy once

[light pine]

But he did that to me, so I don't know what my skill level is still. Like it's still realllllllly low. Most of the time.

[timber imp]

He is a smurf
Kirito also felt like he was a beginner
And the guy was almost a Daru

[light pine]

Nah he does have 260 hours in the same state I'm in. Where he feels he still doesn't understand the game

[timber imp]

Really, you shouldn't let that affect you
Be happy that you're better than before

[light pine]

And now I feel I really don't understand the game. Considering I kinda got opened up by like the 2B 2B 2B run up 2B 2B 2B. Since I'm just trying to think about what I did wrong constructively but it just kinda feels like I did everything wrong

It's probably me overthinking the whole game, but it's just really rough

[timber imp]

These strings are so common for a reason
They work
I often catch people WAY stronger than I with the classic 2B, 2A, Hop

[light pine]

https://vxtwitter.com/HenTy56/status/1689829827065315328?t=w9a94sEHy3mU_4oyuS80vw&s=19

Someone review this round please, it had about I think so many mistakes and just problems. I SS because of course I'm afraid of fighting Krohnen in the corner. It's nearly just asking to lose

Oh and the OTG input facing left is really hard to do off the counter just wanted to say why I don't do it there

[late swan]

I'll give a watch Tyler

[nova mango]

Ok so after reviewing the round, I noticed some things.

1. You played really solid Yama neutral. You did good utilizing his large normals and didn't over-commit too much aside from that QM towards the end. Very solid overall.

2. I noticed that Krohnen played super patiently and used 3A to punish some of your heavier moves. Avoid using heavier moves like snake arm on block without proper spacing because in Krohnens case, he can totally punish that and potentially get a huge combo off.

3. Like I mentioned, you did really good at not over-commiting but with that QM, you gotta make sure you got the hit confirm before you let it rip, because if it doesn't combo, that's 2 bars down the drain which could turn the tide in an anchor-anchor situation.

All in all, I'd say you did really good, since you won the match I'd say it worked out pretty good though yeah?

[light pine]

That QM was essentially a throw it out since the time is ticking down and I need anything to move the needle. I normally would confirm it

[nova mango]

Ohh gotcha

That's smart, I didn't think of that

[potent cloak]

That Krohnen player could’ve QM’d you like multiple times

They could’ve also killed you or gotten close to it if they had cancelled into Level 2 after they confirmed into super

You played pretty well tho I think

the QM confirm on block was an mistake but you made use of some of it by ex throwing him

I think the only times you really got got was when you were pressing slightly outside of range and then again all he got you with was the drill… which he could’ve QM’d canceled

I wouldn’t say that’s your fault tho at all, more the Krohnen players mistake, you played very patiently, you both did

don’t think there were that many mistakes here on your end

What did you think went wrong on your end? You won the game

[light pine]

Spacing, and while it is Krohnen with meter I felt I didn't do any pressure until the very end of the game.

[potent cloak]

You messed up spacing like one time truly

[pure lark]

Yeah, the crossup attempt was the only real spacing issue imo. Your pressure was super good, and your meter use was perfect imo. If I were to offer one piece of advice: you had a pattern to your attacks where you jumped in and then went into 2As. I feel like throwing in an occassional re-hop or empty hop after a hop.CD (even just one) could have given him a larger list in mental stack to contend with. It is understandable that you didn't, it's Krohnen after all.

After the 6A from Krohnen to throw off your offense, did you try taking your turn back? I noticed he got you kinda clean at 31 seconds

[light pine]

After that 6A I tried to counter.

And like, in general. With the 2A thing. It's normally for like people who throw on the run up since that happens to me a lot or like they just stick out a button.

[late swan]

Even though most people have already told you what I was gonna say I think one thing you need is not to be scared of certain I get that fighting Krohnen can be nerve racking especially in a anchor v anchor situation but you can let that dictate the match because it could of gone ugly for you real quick

And I'm not saying to start playing fast and loose in that kind of situation

Just be more confident and mindful of what the Krohnen is doing

If he isn't doing things like xiaohai is doing with Krohnen(extreme example I know but the sentiment is still the same) you don't have to worry yourself about how scary the character can get if they haven't shown you that are good with that character

[potent cloak]

Yeah totally agree

He was leaving so much damage and opportunities sit on the table, you on the other hand played super solid and made the most of the opportunities that came your way, prolly could’ve gone slightly more aggro

[light pine]

Here is somehow a similar situation

Looking back on it, I mean not the best punish but ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ it's what I defaulted to

[late swan]

But you won the game with even lower health

You played the match well and just slowed down

No need to rush and find the hit

[potent cloak]

yeah what do you think you did wrong

I’m a little puzzled sometimes when you ask for coaching on stuff like this, because your gameplay is solid and you won, what are you exactly looking to see from yourself?

as a player of a lesser caliber than you I wouldn’t have won that one and prolly would’ve just gonna guns blazing in but you got your hit, CASHED OUT, played it safe after when Krohnen still had the meter to kill you, found the hit, found another hit and got the win

like are we looking at the same gameplay here haha have you been the Krohnen player the whole time

[light pine]

Nah, I'm gonna upload the whole set, but it'd because I'm micro managing what I did wrong or rather, what would've beaten it. Like me standing still on round start. I think I was trying to decide what to do. And he just rolled forward and I mashed

Like it was the right choice there, but not a good choice to do on round start.

[pure lark]

The good choice to do on round start is the one that wins you the round

[potent cloak]

^

Also roll forward is a terrible option what you did is a good response

I’d say be more confident in your decisions because you make the right ones and don’t be under some delusion that you’re making the wrong one

[pure lark]

He rolled, you caught him with an optimal QM off a defensive low. I'd call that a good option in my book.

It's not going to beat everyone, sure, but he likely thought you were going to lead with a defensive snake arm. So he approached aggressively and paid for it hard.

[potent cloak]

Was a great reaction

[pure lark]

If he leads shatter strike or round start super I think he wins the exchange, but those are both EXTREMELY risky maneuvers

[potent cloak]

I would’ve been like 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫 buhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhh 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[pure lark]

If he leads hyperhop, he likely beats the low depending on his air button. But, again, an aggressive action which loses to 5A or neutral/high snake arm

If he leads EX ground wave he likely whiff punishes the 2B, but idk if he follows up.

[potent cloak]

Great shimmy’s at the end

Ur goated

[pure lark]

If he leads qcb.D, again another aggressive action, he loses to a 5A or neutral/ air snake air

[potent cloak]

Yama the coolest

[pure lark]

So when you're playing the probabilities, you likely did some of the math in your head which, consciously or not, led you to hold your action early. And that decision paid off for sure.

[light pine]

Alright, I'll try to have some confidence in more of my choices

[light pine]

This has got to be the worst video I've ever edited only because my stupid voice is in it. But I'll still upload it. I won the set but I know there's got to be some stuff so get from it. I know I missed some inputs. Especially the neutral with Leona and Yama.

[lime cradle]

Don’t forget to stomp after a counter and corner command throw

[light pine]

Yeah I do it but facing left I struggle with it

It's mainly a controller thing

[lime cradle]

I don't have tips for dpad controller, but on fightstick or analog, you can just do a 360

[light pine]

It's mainly because the PS5 pad is really bad. I could do it on the Hori but not the PS5 pad

[light pine]

Alright please forgive the audio and my voice that occasionally pops through. Since the video game sound is really quiet.

https://youtu.be/C1xZRDL6yeU

[shrewd obsidian]

It’s this @light pine he made a guess and was wrong

Doing nothing at round start is typically never a bad idea it’s usually at worst just “ok”. You sacrifice potentially going first for not overextending like homie did

That’s why you see a lot of good players back dash, neutral jump button or just block

All fairly low committal and hard to punish without a hell of a read

[potent cloak]

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1690899208428240896?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

Cock Howard

[pure lark]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I_umwyIjmA

lmfao

[late swan]

4000 MS LMAOOOOOO

You're stronger than me Lou I would of closed the game when it said 4000 ms

[pure lark]

And give up the W? Clark's 2C can murder the teleporters hahaha

idk how that 5C rolled back from a block to a hit vs. Kula btw

[late swan]

Its SNK's vision when those connections happen lmao

[covert dirge]

me too, and look at how many L's I take for not learning characters 😂

[shrewd obsidian]

They’re still getting the hang of the lag switch

[timber imp]

LMFAOOOOOO

Ok, that's beyond Brazil
Must really be Mars

[pure lark]

https://youtu.be/uVDtboSddJg

Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong in neutral? I'm just getting absolutely destroyed despite using fighters who have the tools to win in neutral. This is a player's subs team, and I'm getting really discouraged about my play.

(I'm O Yash, Sylvie, Dolores)

[vestal ravine]

O.Yash: Convert! You're not converting anything, you're just hitting them. OYash thrives, and I mean THRIVES when he completes the combo because you have the options. He gets a SKD/HKD off most convertions.

Syl: Idk her much, you gotta ask @luna or someone who plays her.

Dolores: Same as Syl.

as far as i know, Yashiro still has (?) frame traps so he's positive after a lot of his shit? That might be why you kept getting tagged after a string of his. You did better with OYash in the neutral sense because you were much more mobile and won a few interactions where you could have combo'd but left it after a few tags

Look at my tidbit for Ty in coaching, there are some characters and players that you're at disadvantage with if you're playing the ground neutral. You can make up for it by doing the aspects you were with OYash, being more mobile, getting the tags, and then pushing when there was a break in their pressure

[pure lark]

I was just about to ask you if you could review the video with those points in mind. I feel like there's something most than just converting with O Yash. Like, I'm getting KILLED on the ground

Like, I'm playing a character who's known for his buttons and I'm missing all my far.C and far.B attempts

These are supposed to be his strengths, and yet I just can't make contact with them to save my life

[vestal ravine]

I think OYash has a grab that catches air, no? Use 2C as well.
It looks like they outpaced you and you played into their game instead of trying to keep it neutral. If they're smothering you like that, it's best to hop/jump back, especially with people like Yash because things can get sticky real quick. I think you used 5d as well, I can't tell by the frame by frame but it almost looks like you used it reactionary than premptive for a hop. Neutral hop/jump with jB or jCD are pretty good options. OYash is more of an offense heavy character so you should try to just be more aggressive like that vanilla Yash was. (this is coming from someone who doesn't play any of your characters so take these with a grain of salt lol)

[late swan]

I'm the other yashiro player btw mac

[pure lark]

O Yash has an air grab, but it's a hard commit (delayed air invul frames and 7f startup)

Zero's just in another league ahead of me lol

[vestal ravine]

I think he just played Yash as intended though. He just smothered you because that's what he does, he's a rushdown beatboy gorilla. OYash is the same but he throws and gets +++advantage off them

you can't play every character the same Lou lol

You can but progress is limited if you do

Like, nothing that @late swan (correct me if im wrong) did was nothing new. You lost against Yashiro, not Zero

[late swan]

You'd be correct later in the games we had the only new thing I showed was a new meterless combo he got

everything I did in that game was just basic yashiro stuff I learned the week or 2 I was playing him

A lot of things I did Lou can easily do with O.yashiro just minus the some of the blockstrings

With O.yash you trade in the safety that normal has for his amazing grabs

[pure lark]

Which just comes back to me not being good at the game! If it's ordinary play and I'm losing, then I'm going to lose to ordinary play from any Yashiro if I don't get off my ass and learn some damn neutral

And right now, yeah, I can't anti-air for ahit

I whiff half the buttons I throw out

[pure lark]

I'm trying to play with any degree, just a SLIVER of fucking consistency, and I produce this

I am trying to take it easy but, goddammit, I am losing patience with myself quickly

[vestal ravine]

we can start by giving yourself some grace and allowing to learn the matchup lol. I get dumpstered by Dolores because I never see dolores. I only beat you because I'm beating Lou, not Dolores. Do you see what I'm getting with? I think you're biting off more than you can chew when you don't even know the arsenal KOF has yet

Let's say you only learned Dolores because she's the character you're most familiar with (mine was terry). Terry, to this day, is my most complete character because I know him the most. To this day, I lose with any of my other characters, it's because I see it as I dont know x character well enough yet. Terry carries me hard because I put the time in with Terry. Through Terry, I learned KOF foozies, neutral, pressure, all that shit. I just have to pick n choose when to do what because Terry doesn't excel at any of them to be his specialty, but he does specialize in meter usage with his damage.

So if Dolores is your most complete character, then you learn KOF with Dolores. Is Dolores a good example to learn KOF? No, because she's a weird zoner/grappler hybrid. OYash is because he has good buttons and has great pressure after knockdown.

[pure lark]

I had an arc where I tried learning neutral and just played shotos

It went very, very poorly

I'm trying to learn with O Yash now but, well, you can see how that's going.

So I'm just going to try to... idk, anti-air more. Try to be more aggressive. I see RINO typically playing O Yash to control his space defensively before going on the offense, which is why I'm trying to play him more like the way I have been

But I'm also not RINO

[vestal ravine]

Mmhm! If you don't know where to start, watching KOF replay/high level guys can give you a start of what to do

You see anything cool and/or something that worked really well, try to emulate it

[pure lark]

Idk, I took notes from Dune's guide on O Yashiro too, so trying to also combine that theory

I'm just... bummed my neutral isn't where it should be

[vestal ravine]

I usually just type in KOF Replay + x character and go from there

[vestal ravine]

s'all good bruv

journey, not a-b

[pure lark]

I've been told that's not a great idea by emilkof

Rather ft10s with Xiaohai on random

[vestal ravine]

Emil also isn't the best at coaching LMAO most of the shit he says doesn't apply to scrubs like us.

[pure lark]

Fair

[vestal ravine]

he's the same guy to "'woe is me why can't i make it past preliminaries"

😐

[pure lark]

Oh, he says that?

Damn

[vestal ravine]

Idk if he competes anymore but yeah

I tune in to the main discord every now nthen

Sometimes he drops a gem

most of it is shit

[pure lark]

That's fair

Yeah, vetting sources is necessary

[vestal ravine]

Not that I'm any better, you want to listen to your vets, but some people just straight up aint good teachers, especially to newcomers to a niche af game as KOF

[pure lark]

Yeah. He was super mean to Oli when he was trying to help folks with Clark

[vestal ravine]

Exactly

Dude is bitter af

got smacked too many times in a real competive scene so he's lost lmao

[lunar condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RicJJuTvXu4

beginner here looking for advice/pointers

Is sweep safe in this game on block?

also what options do I have defensively against an opponent that neutral jumps off oki

[late swan]

They techincally aren't but since they have a good deal of pushback for the most part they tend to be safe and awkward to punish

[lunar condor]

I see, im so used to countering sweep with my own sweep

[late swan]

You still can in this game just depends like I said

[late swan]

Unless it's a safe jump or legit setup you can roll out of the way for the most part

Which most people around your level do not have

[lunar condor]

thanks il keep that in mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRSIGigiwzM

[covert dirge]

are you Player 1 or 2?

[late swan]

They are player 2

[late swan]

https://youtu.be/UoRiYX7vkJY

@light pine ngl his Luong was the mvp but yamazaki and geese did put in a fair amount of work

[shrewd obsidian]

I never see him in bracket, like ever and rarely see him in the FT10 server. He comes across as a pub stomper although we’ve never played I kind of don’t like that

Everyone should have a balance of people they beat and those who beat them. Also I’ve seen him give advice to people to not SS which just reads to me like, “I’ve been whacked by it too much for my liking”

[shrewd obsidian]

Neutral is one of those ever evolving things, and for better or worse it’s also impossible to lab

Just have to get in the ring and experiment

[shrewd obsidian]

Do you mean they are jumping on their wake up or yours?

[vestal ravine]

Checks out - I think he's offline mostly which is like, k whatever I'm offline too but you don't see me beakin off as much as you. Whateva, it's whack that I harbour this much disdain for someone I don't even know

Probably because he torched Cien, which only I'm allowed to do

🗿

[late swan]

https://tenor.com/view/moai-gif-21506019

[shrewd obsidian]

As is tradition

And that could be true but why not play online brackets with the other offline warriors?

I see alla dem in the weekly torch fiestas lmao

[light pine]

Oh wow there's a whip and a Sylvie in this TNS on the same team

[potent cloak]

Have you ever watched Mothman in this game ? He plays Whip and Yama on his team

Marvel 3 player but he good and fun to watch in this game

Enters TNS frequently

[late swan]

Yeah mothman has been entering KOF tournaments frequently it should be easy to find his matches on youtube

[pure lark]

You can also watch how to beat him in the latest EVO streams 😄

[light pine]

So I try to watch that one Leona player Zero told me about. I forget her name to be honest because I suck with names. But I noticed she jumps in often as hell with either j.B or j.A a lot with Leona. It's very weird to me.

[timber imp]

Jump lights are slept on hard imo
They are super good

Depending on the char, I mean

[dapper bramble]

prolly cause they are super fast, but jump A has a good enough downward angle for jump ins. Jump B is carried tbh

Iori Jump B, Rock Jump B, all carried

Leona Jump B

[light pine]

My favorite is the Yama jump B

[dapper bramble]

That is a good one on him

[light pine]

Since it's at an angle but like for Leona it's a straight line no angle

[dapper bramble]

dedicated air to air

does Yama jump C juggle airborne?

maybe not I'm reaching.

[light pine]

Right it's an A2A it's weird seeing it as a jump in

[dapper bramble]

lol how many times have you seen Iori players jump in with jump B tho...

It's like, I can smack you and jump in on you without even deciding for myself

[light pine]

Hm, I'll try using the 2 buttons more.

[late swan]

Quick air to airs and decent jump in buttons can also use J.b to control space just like Iori can with J.b and J.D

Her name is Kurinyanko btw

[potent cloak]

That’s great

It’s as good as Iori J.B and Rock J.B

These r prime A2A buttons

[light pine]

One of these days I'll remember it, I watch her when she's streaming.

[potent cloak]

Leona can combo off it for sure right ? Like you can prolly totally do J.B, Cr.C 4/6B, 214C , (2)8P

[late swan]

She goes live somewhat regularly

[potent cloak]

everytime I talk abt leona… I think abt … what could’ve been… but alas…. skill issue

[late swan]

If the patch does buff some characters I'd be happy to try out leona again

[potent cloak]

Could not do the cancel off moonslash 😞

I wonder what they should give her

Feel like she could be busted super easily if they gave her too much

[light pine]

I've gotten a lot better at Leona since her combos aren't as hard as some other ones I've done. It's just a bit tight

[light pine]

Make her DP bigger

[potent cloak]

no!!!

[light pine]

I'm getting tired of my combo dropping because I did cl.D at max range

The the DP just whiffs

[late swan]

quality of life stuff like far b being command normal cancelable

[light pine]

Wow really?

[late swan]

and maybe a damage buff so she can start doing average damage

[light pine]

That sounds wild

[potent cloak]

far b cancellable ?

I don’t agree

[late swan]

The character sucks as it is

[potent cloak]

Damage should be buffed tho I’ve thought this since I played her

[late swan]

Might as well give it to her

[light pine]

Like I get special cancelable, that's what a decent amount of characters have.

[potent cloak]

She has to work to hard to try and get damage characters get for free

[light pine]

Her combos do a lot of stun, I'd think it would be neat if it did more.

[potent cloak]

you have to touch people like twice as hard as they touch you , another one of the reasons I dropped her

[light pine]

Playing into the strength more as apposed to just giving her more damage.

Like she 2-4 taps about the same as most other characters from what I understand

[late swan]

Yeah but how often are you getting the hit with her compared to Iori or B.jenet

Not much

[potent cloak]

^

[late swan]

Hell her dad Heidern can much better than her

[light pine]

Well isn't she as strike throw as they get? No real gimmicks but not completely honest

[potent cloak]

and Iori can get an awesome damage combo off one bar and can combo after to build it back

[late swan]

Damn near every character is

[potent cloak]

and most characters do it better than Leona at this point

[late swan]

and they have more damage and consistency than her

[light pine]

Leona's combos are pretty meter neutral or slightly positive.

Alright, I'm in bed right now and am not getting up. But off of a low confirm and a jump in, I'm curious. Like she does more than Whip but I assume that's probably not fair.

She does more than Haohmaru I think on all her confirms except the corner, um I think she does little bit less than Sylvie with half a bar but I'd have to actually check

[shrewd obsidian]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XLXRYo_-UEc

Great set and an especially interesting interaction at around 5:25

[dapper bramble]

That Sylvie vs Geese matchup looks hella rough tbh

[shrewd obsidian]

Yeah she couldn’t navigate those huge buttons

[late swan]

Man I can't choose between goose or Ryo they both do what I want in a team

Good damage
Good meter build
Can go anywhere on a team
Great buttons

[light pine]

You should just play both of them

Or at least play both like in casual games right

[blazing ocean]

Let the Goose loose!

[light pine]

I wish I could play both of them but they both feel like I'm piloting an entire truck of bricks

[late swan]

This week has just been me playing and trying out Ryo so maybe next I will try out goose for the week

[light pine]

After the RR I think I'll just casually try out my man Ramón. I guess I'll have him replace Yama and try Leona on point

Kuri and others seem to run her on point

[late swan]

Yamazaki is just as slow as both of them lmao

[light pine]

Brother, when I play Yama he doesn't feel that slow

[late swan]

He is

[light pine]

I think when I first picked him up he didn't feel like a big body to me.

It's mainly because him kicking down the door and snake arm. So I'm always about 2 moves from being in their face

[late swan]

Well yeah if he's covering that much space easily sure he won't feel slow

[light pine]

He's got like the weapon characters range on a few moves so it's not like I gotta make a journey to Mecca to get to them

I mean I've seen some great Geese players, sweep into light palm seem to just "Do stuff" but it's not as much range as the Yama CD

[blazing ocean]

Geese’s entire pressure game revolves around light rekka

That’s the building block that sets up everything else

[shrewd obsidian]

I like this method, it’s not totally fly by night but also pretty low commitment. I bet Ryo and Geese are equally scary in your hands

[late swan]

Well a couple people already say I'm doing pretty well with Ryo especially Luna

I still really like Kim but having all 3 characters being consistent is a lot more important to me especially if wanna start entering tournaments in kof

I'm sure I'd well with Kim on the team

But sometimes I cannot fight certain playstyles with Kim

[light pine]

Would you think the Kim Whip MU would be bad?

[late swan]

Her range messes him up pretty badly but he starts to turtles and makes the whip impatient I can see it being closer for him but not by much

[light pine]

Since it feels like the Luong Whip MU doesn't feel too heavy in either direction like seeing if Luong can get in or Whip can stay out.

Since I'd imagine for him a zoner like Ash. Would fucking suck to fight

[late swan]

Any zoners really give Kim problems

He folds to those kind of characters and sometimes characters with big buttons

Like sometimes fighting Geese or Clark can be annoying for Kim imo

[blazing ocean]

Kim is good, but EOD he has to play a pretty fundamental KOF game

Especially cause his pressure options are a bit limited

[light pine]

What does EOD mean?

[blazing ocean]

“End of the Day”

[late swan]

Yeah which is fine I have no problem with but like you said his pressure isn't the greatest

He has plus on block moves which is nice

But winning neutral with him is the struggle

[blazing ocean]

Oh, but when you get that punish…

[late swan]

Yeah don't get me wrong

[light pine]

Once I was at 80% and Luna just killed me with Kim

[blazing ocean]

“Hou’ou Kyaku!”

[late swan]

Once your in with him and get any confirm your eating atleast 400 damage and holding a 4 frame safe jump

But Ryo and Geese can do that much easier and it's not even the fact that they have fireballs to help they're neutral

It's those big buttons they have

They both have great
sweeps
jump CDs
Stand CDs
Far buttons like C and D

[blazing ocean]

And despite how it looks

[late swan]

On top of having brain dead anti airs with crouch C for both of them

[blazing ocean]

QCFx2 + B/D is crappy anti-air

For Kim

Kim has great A2A buttons though

[late swan]

Yeah his A2A buttons aren't bad

[blazing ocean]

j.A crosses up I believe and don’t sleep on j.B

[late swan]

Yeah j.b is my personal favorite for quick A2As

[late swan]

@light pine Ryo's ex dp does 15o damage

[light pine]

My god that's so much damage (Whip's does 152 but she needs it)

[timber imp]

OMFG

[nova mango]

Terry's ex dp deals almost 180

[light pine]

This shit is hell, give me some blessings

I'm live on Twitch, come hang out! https://www.twitch.tv/Hen_Ty1er?sr=a

[light pine]

God I hate rolling

[late swan]

Welcome to the club

[light pine]

Wow this game is some ass

[nova mango]

Wait til you hear about this funny little game called ||dark souls||

[light pine]

Absolute trash, I lose because this dude kept back dashing, I go for the insta overhead and get hit with the geese counter

I was rank 20 then lose it immediately

[late swan]

Tyler you're in low ranks everyone plays like shit down there

For the most anyway

[light pine]

Just played in a slide show, man I'm gonna uninstall

Nah, I might not be able to enter the RR, I just lost to a O Yash rolling me failing my punish and command grab

Like dude has an 84% win rate and only rolled and grabbed. If I can't deal with that, why would I enter a tourney?

[timber imp]

Bro had 84% win rate, you're not at fault for losing
Probably a smurf

[light pine]

When I tell you, he was really bad you gotta believe me. Like you got close he would roll back and repeat that 3 times until he's near the corner then he'd jump, combo. Rinse and repeat until I'm in there corner. Then he'll roll forward and or backwards and just jump. Then if he hits, command grab. If not repeat

Like it would've been different if I was getting read, or dude had really good reactions but I just got dicked on by system mechanics

[timber imp]

If he has a 84% win rate, it's because those stupid strats work and work A LOT
You shouldn't beat yourself up for losing to this
Just maybe beware not to let it happen again

And that takes some time

Took me WEEKS to be able to beat Daru and Rait's Maxima
And they were just spamming the tackle and wall slam
LMFAO

And I actually am still not sure exactly how to beat them for sure

[light pine]

It's losing so hard to that, is what wrecks my confidence. I'm trying to learn how to adapt which is why I went to ranked but hell, I feel like I got no place here

[timber imp]

Ranked is FULL of trolls and people who just cheese their way through
Exactly like that

It's fine, just don't get TOO tilted and you'll get back your stars soon

[light pine]

Ranked is like a once ever month endeavor unless I'm planning on losing, for reasons like this

[timber imp]

I'll be honest with you
I played once a day
Just until I lose

If I win 5 sets before losing, I got 5 stars and that's it for the day
If I lost my first set, I'll just stop and be back tomorrow

[potent cloak]

https://vxtwitter.com/crossknockout/status/1692634684919079032?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

[light pine]

It's fine, I go to ranked when I have a need to play but no one is around. I just might need to put it out of rotation

[light pine]

https://youtu.be/5gRzMuO4Jvc

[dapper bramble]

If you tighten up the confirms with whip and get a few of her safe jumps down it’ll be trouble for the opponents

Jump D is good air to air. Neutral jump C is hella good too.

I’m a Whip main ||in alt timeline||

[shrewd obsidian]

From the little of this I watched there’s 2 things that stand out imo

1. You’re definitely improving especially by playing zero and other strong players here

2. You should probably keep ranked in the rotation, not 100% but it’s good to play people at our level and that’s the purpose of ranked in FG’s

Nice Whip btw

[light pine]

Thanks, I try

[late swan]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CalmAnimatedCarrotRitzMitz-yTg688lklu5z0CnH I had to clip Cien's reaction

[warm raptor]

TryHardStorm

[late swan]

@light pine https://youtu.be/tPbrhlbf70c boom 5 minutes on how to deal with Ryo

[nova mango]

Here's the clip I was talking about earlier:

Or nevermind, I guess the file size is too big

Hol up I have an idea

In the meantime, here's a funny clip of Lou ocv-ing me

[late swan]

LMAO

[nova mango]

https://youtu.be/SvGaTj7TzsI

The fact I got that close to taking a game off someone with that track record amazes me

[late swan]

It shows your improving dyl

[nova mango]

Yeah, that was probably my highlight of today

Still kicking myself for choking in the end though

[late swan]

It happens sometimes we can't close it out

[timber imp]

WTF
Geyser really that bad?

[late swan]

It could be because sylvie has a smaller hurtbox

[nova mango]

Yes

I still use it though.
It's the Dyl signature

[light pine]

https://youtu.be/QV0GN9ttW8M?t=336

@shrewd obsidian or anyone who plays/understands Shun. Was that guard gauge getting that low because of just MU knowledge?

[shrewd obsidian]

I’m just stepping out but can look in a couple hours

Got a timestamp?

[light pine]

Yeah you can click on the video, I think it's like 15-20 seconds into the round

He actually got 3 guard breaks in the set so far

I'm curious if that's like one of those things you just would have to know and can't just like, press a button

[dapper bramble]

that 6B blockstring can be DP'ed

He kept doing it cause they let him

[light pine]

And if you're without it? I'm just genuinely thinking of this is one of them. "you just gotta know the character" to get out of it.

[dapper bramble]

It can be interrupted regardless

[light pine]

I see, I know if I was in that position I'd probably be liable to roll or attempt to mash 5A. Since that looks like one of them "Yeah just hold this"

[dapper bramble]

Lemme see what Smoke says. I don't remember tbh

Maybe it's not as bad as I thought

Well the blockstring

regardless, you respect too hard you get guardbroken

[light pine]

I mean I understand that nothing like that is true but a knowledge check that hard just seems cruel

[dapper bramble]

Cl. C -> 6B -> 236 a

u can grab it

as for the 236 C he kept spamming idk

his turn over regardless

[light pine]

That's just one of them things I'm still figuring out. Since to me, it really looked like other dude couldn't do anything after that blue air hand it looked like

[dapper bramble]

Well he did block it

once

he woke up and jumped and got smacked

back in the washer you go

I can tell though, blue Chiz player ain't know what to do against this shit

[shrewd obsidian]

6B > 236A is a frame trap so has to be DP’d

@light pine it’s a guessing game because he can also not do the follow up to bait DP

[light pine]

Man, I guess I get it. He tried to DP j think like on the second time he did that block string but it didn't work. So I would definitely think, "Throw away that option" and just use GC blowback

[shrewd obsidian]

GCB is the safest option for sure

Shun can do any of his air dashes off 6B but the only air blue hand that’s plus is EX, the others are safe but it’s your turn

[light pine]

Alright, sorry for asking. I really was curious about that scenario. Since I'm just gonna assume this isn't the only one in the game that's like this

[shrewd obsidian]

No need to apologize man, and yeah there are other kinda fake but also not really strings especially in the corner

This whole sequence got buffed in S2 when they let him cancel off 6B

[nova mango]

2 more clips of power geyser getting wrecked:

I lost both of those matches🤣

[blazing ocean]

In both situations, should have Power Dunked 1st

[timber imp]

Man...
Wtf? I thought that was a good super...

[warm raptor]

I remember dyl whiffed raw power geyser and I thought it was over so I ran into it and died

[nova mango]

Yeah it's got a lingering hitbox

It's a very hit or miss super lmao

[light pine]

This means they should buff Yamazki

[nova mango]

Yamazaki is fine where he's at😅

[light pine]

I just want one busted character that I really like. I want to be carried

[blazing ocean]

Krohnen and B. Jenet are right there

[light pine]

"Carried by characters that are cool"

[dapper bramble]

Kyo Kusanagi

[light pine]

Come on, not when Shingo exits

[dapper bramble]

Kyo is better in every way

[light pine]

I just need to figure out how to play Yamazki, trying to figure out if I put him on point again

[light pine]

Yeah but he isn't Shingo though

[dapper bramble]

Just point Leona again. Do you meter dump with her like that?

[blazing ocean]

I got a tough time letting any Bae Jenet slander pass

[light pine]

Absolutely, it's just rough to land that dp into super

It's like only 17 more damage over doing the 6K follow up so I'm still figuring out if it's worth it

But I can meter dump quite well with her since it's basically only supers

[dapper bramble]

Where is whip going ?

[nova mango]

Ain't no way you say krohnen ain't cool

[dapper bramble]

Krohnen is just angry bootleg

[light pine]

Either anchor or middle her playstyle for me doesn't change all that much

[light pine]

He looks like he smells like an entire family of dumpsters

[dapper bramble]

Anchor Whip players…

[light pine]

It's like, her EX uses are limited from what I get. Combos, the EX reflect for super orb, and her hook shot EX to yeet herself

Otherwise supers

[dapper bramble]

Whip is pretty good meter build

[blazing ocean]

Speaking of Whip…I had to learn last night haha

[light pine]

I don't think I ever noticed her building that much meter when I played her. She's efficient, never thought of her as a battery or anything

[dapper bramble]

I always used to put her at point

[light pine]

My whole team somehow does alright with like a bar at least, and can dump hard when they have 3-4

[dapper bramble]

Yama prolly hit the hardest on your whole team though

[light pine]

Yeah that's just what he does.

Leona does the most damage for half a bar

[dapper bramble]

Yeah this is what I meant kinda

[light pine]

And Whip is just Whip

I mean Yamazki also does well with half a bar for heavy starters but eh

[dapper bramble]

Yama anchor u can just QM and boom their health

Sometimes may not even have to QM

[light pine]

Yeah there was a part of the set against Dyl where I started with 30-40% and in one combo just evened it out

But Kim, Iori, and like dino do it too. So I have mixed feelings about damage since like about everyone does it.

[dapper bramble]

Some people have easier dmg than others.

[blazing ocean]

That’s KOF

Whole game is built around escalation where yeah, if you got the metaphorical meter cash you can delete someone

[light pine]

Yeah since I noticed that I just go on how efficient people are for me to compare damage when I'm in a lag mood

Lab*

[potent cloak]

Right bro

Krohnen is Tetsuo vegeta irish guy

Goated

Badman

[late swan]

Krohnen is the goat Tyler just a hater

[light pine]

Zero, he looks disgusting. I'm not even hating I'm being legit

[timber imp]

Wtf? Whyyyyyy?
He looks COOL

And I love his atitude