KOF Gameplay Videos

[pure lark]

Idk anymore. I'm shopping for a replacement for Clark and my Shermie isn't quite there. I know Iori prioritizes rushdown strategies and can do that well, so I'm trying to at least learn how to do that by learning him.

But between him, Sylvie, Dolores, and Shermie I'm not saying anyone is safely "on the team"

Clark's already dropped though.

That's true, I don't have SS combos on the ready. So I scramble often when I get those. I know Syvlie can get a cl.A xx cl.C xx 6B full combo heavy starter, but don't have it drilled to memory. I need to do that.

I still dunno about my neutral game, but I'll take peoples' word for it. Still not understanding my ranges as well as I should, but there are other things I can focus on for now.

GCBB I'm a little wary on. You can see situation where I failed to GC roll and got blown up for it here. It is something I should do more for sure, I'm just not wired yet to use GCBB since it seems like it will result in my death if I mistime it.

This is all very helpful as well. Thank you for taking the time to watch and give input. I'll do right by you all and incorporate these into my daily training starting today

[timber imp]

Sylvie too
Exactly the same as Iori
But cute and and short limbs

[pure lark]

I think my Sylvie's better than my Iori at this point, so she likely gets priority

Idk tho

[calm hamlet]

Why are you dropping Clark? Your Clark is good

[pure lark]

I have discussed this before.

I'm not going to learn the game if I continue relying on gimmicks

I have fought multiple people who have told me I am not good enough with my Clark's neutral to make him work.

[calm hamlet]

Clark’s gameplan is built on his oki gimmick

Who told you your Clark. Is not good enough?

[pure lark]

I'd really not like to get into this.

[past sail]

I mean the best way to learn more Clark neutral is through playing more Clark

And if you think you rely on gimmicks then play to learn instead of playing to win

Purposefully go into a match with 1 or 2 goals in mind and you succeed or fail based on those conditions, not the victory screen

Same with defense

Tell yourself before a match, "this round I'll only ever block on wakeup and nothing else" or smth like that

Directly challenge what you see as your own weaknesses

If it's everything, then work on everything, but one step at a time

[calm hamlet]

Sounds like Lou’s mind is made up though. I won’t argue with him

[past sail]

Oh I mean if yes done with Clark then fine

I'm just saying cuz switching characters doesn't automatically make your base skill better

[calm hamlet]

I think he wants a character that is dependent on good neutral to win

[past sail]

I mean

Dependant?

In kof?

[pure lark]

Okay

Look

I never learned to block

[past sail]

Ok

What are you going to do about it?

[pure lark]

I feel like I'm going crazy

[past sail]

Well, I for one, say that you aren't

You are valid in your feelings

[pure lark]

I'm using a non-Clark unit to teach myself to play neutral

aka to block

[past sail]

Hm

[pure lark]

aka to learn defense

[past sail]

Interesting strategy

Hope it works for you

[calm hamlet]

Which character do you consider to have good neutral?

[pure lark]

Right now I'm in an argument with folks in the Newbie server who are offering unprompted advice while I am in the middle of learning and drilling how to play

[past sail]

Then ignore them

[pure lark]

And they are things I'm already doing

[calm hamlet]

Clark does have armor grab that makes the player not want to block sometimes

[past sail]

Lucky

[pure lark]

YEAH

EXACTLY

[past sail]

That's one move

[pure lark]

And his anti-air buttons on the ground suck

He plays a lot differently than anyone else in the game in that aspect

[past sail]

Then learn to block those

Or anticipate it

[pure lark]

It's a very specialized skill set

[pure lark]

What are you talking about?

[past sail]

These

[pure lark]

Iori and Sylvie

The issue is not blocking his anti-air buttons

[calm hamlet]

Clark is a scrub killer so if you plan on just playing other newbies, he should carry you to easy victories. I rode that gimmick for sure hehe

[past sail]

I meant blocking the jump ins

[dapper bramble]

All of you are severely discrediting Clark...

And I used to hate to fight him

[calm hamlet]

Nah Clark is my homie

[dapper bramble]

But you do have to have proper understanding of neutral and KOF fundamentals to even be successful with him

[past sail]

Hey, I'm trying to advocate for him to be played

[dapper bramble]

obviously then you can learn oki setups and finesse them with grabs

[dapper bramble]

Technically, you gotta get this with anyone in the game.

[past sail]

Technically? Who's the exception?

[calm hamlet]

You know who has good neutral? Robert hehe

[past sail]

Oli stay meatriding

[dapper bramble]

I definitely understand swapping characters that don't fit your playstyle, but running from a character cause someone else said you're not good with them, I don't see the point. Then you will never be satitsfied..

[calm hamlet]

Iori is very good. Sylvie got the damage but neutral won’t be easy for her with her short limbs

[past sail]

Huh

[dapper bramble]

There's no exception, like if you understand the game, then you can do whatever you want at that point. Everything will come full circle

[past sail]

So this is what it's like on the outside

[dapper bramble]

What is the gimmicky neutral skip with Clark?

[pure lark]

tackle on backdash

[dapper bramble]

But what if I block?

It's not a safe bet

[pure lark]

I only use it if I read backdash

[dapper bramble]

But what if you read wrong?

[past sail]

214C

[pure lark]

Then I die

[dapper bramble]

This can be punished

[past sail]

I know

I'm referring to my own gambling addiction

[dapper bramble]

It's not like Burn Knuckle or something so idk what you mean. Clark has to work his way in somehow

[past sail]

Shermie 214C on wakeup

[pure lark]

The main idea here is I'm not getting in with j.A of j.B

Which is what he NEEDS to do

[past sail]

Needs is a strong word

[dapper bramble]

Clark has strong buttons though?

[pure lark]

His air buttons are good

far.C makes space

[past sail]

Some of the best ground normals in the game too

[pure lark]

far.D sucks

far.A is a standard anti-air

[dapper bramble]

far D could be a lot worse I don't think its that bad

His 5C/2C sweep are insane

[past sail]

What of his crouch buttons, Lou?

[dapper bramble]

the range on his crouch buttons are pretty ight too

Imo

I just don't think he's the strongest character ever, but he has generous capabilities with his normals

[calm hamlet]

Ralf 236A is actually relatively safe

[pure lark]

So here's the thing

I talk to people

I get data

I talk to other people

They give other data

I talk to people who draw different conclusions about the data

Both interpretations are equally valid

The bottom line is the way I am playing my Clark is Not Good

And I don't know neutral

SO

In order to work with this I have started drilling neutral

specifically

With Iori and Sylvie

[past sail]

Interesting outcome

[dapper bramble]

What kind of characters do you even like to use? @pure lark

[calm hamlet]

Not every advise is valid btw. Not saying the Clark neutral one isn’t but you gotta understand which ones are worth listening to

[pure lark]

Shermie, Dolores, and other grapplers

Sylvie's fine

I wouldn't be playing her if I didn't like using her

I suck at using her

But that's beside the point

[calm hamlet]

Have you thought about o yashiro? He has extremely good neutral buttons

Daru wouldn’t like this hehe

[pure lark]

I haven't purchased his team

[calm hamlet]

You might like the team. And o Shermie you will like since you are familiar with Shermie

Awakened orochi team is my favorite dlc team

[pure lark]

I might idk

[calm hamlet]

Well if you have the cash and don’t mind spending, I think o yashiro is extremely strong

[pure lark]

I thought I was going to use Team Garou and South Town as well

I like Rock, but I am bad as Rock

[calm hamlet]

I like rock too. He has good easy but honest neutral

[pure lark]

I like Orochi Yashiro, but what if it's the same? I can't be throwing money at things I'll never use

[calm hamlet]

South town I didn’t like

[calm hamlet]

Well that’s a risk. Maybe someone with o yashiro can shareplay with you so you can try him out first

I like KoF15 so I’m okay with spending money on dlc to complete the roster

I didn’t with strive and I’m not sure if I will with sf6

[pure lark]

All in all, I'm just really tired of justifying my team choices. That's really what it comes down to.

I have data and I know how to improve

For now

Maybe

At least I'll try what is mentioned from feedback above

[calm hamlet]

Then just play who you want and think fits you 🙂

You don’t have to listen to me or anyone

[nova mango]

Just play who you like

Haters be damned

[pure lark]

I'm going to scream

[nova mango]

The way I see it, if people get tilted playing against a character you play, then you're playing them well

[calm hamlet]

Look at dyl playing terry even though his terry sucks (lol I’m kidding)

[pure lark]

Or they're trying to help you learn the game

Which I still need to do

[late swan]

Everyone has basically said it to you already but yeah just pick who like @pure lark like I personally think you switching between characters hinders the progress of you learning the game, so I'd stick with shermie Clark Delores or if you really like Sylvie then replace one of them. I understand you don't want to rely on gimmicks but thats what Clark and shermie are designed to do lmao, they are grapplers for a reason (but you totally can learn KOF with them) . I think the biggest problem you have with your team is that you're overthinking it because you can learn offense with any character sure it might different with someone like Sylvie compared to a zoner like King or Athena but the principal is still the same

You have to be open to try and experiment things with the characters you already know

And you've shown that you have

You just aren't comfortable experimenting and it's why you always go back to what you know best

That's just my 2 cents though

[lime cradle]

@pure larkAs a fellow Clark player, if you truly wanna play Clark and wanna improve your neutral with him, then just focus on the spacing, normals, anti-airs, and combos. **Stop trying to go for the gimmicks: **minimize YOLO raw armored command throw and definitely stop the running tackle with the "reads." I'm not saying to stop using command throw, as you can use that in combo.

His anti-airs have always been lackluster, and they're worse in this patch since 2C's hitbox isn't as godlike, but you can still cl/f.A, f.D, and air to air. They're situational anti-airs you need to get used to. I have used them to great effect with proper spacing and reactions.

You don't HAVE to always get in close, too. A majority of the people here will try to rush you down anyway, so let them come to you. Defeat them with a thousand pokes if that will help out your neutral. This is coming from a guy who suffers from Poor Input Syndrome, so I had to learn to just poke people to death.

If you really wanna make a character work, then you gotta put in the work and stick with them. I have been struggling with Antonov lately. I almost considered dropping him, but I think he's really fun, so I'll still keep him in my pocket.

[past sail]

You like muscle muscle men

[calm hamlet]

He’s gonna kill us in sf6 with Gief

[lime cradle]

At the same time, if playing him gives you too much stress, sideline him for now, but stick with one replacement because you don't wanna spread yourself thin. Go back to Clark after you get a better grasp of KOF neutral.

If you're getting SF6, practice your neutral there, too. The skill will be carried over to KOF.

[lime cradle]

and women, since I'll pick up Marisa lol

[calm hamlet]

Eljay has a type and it’s big muscular men

[past sail]

Big muscle

[lime cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/beef-dinner-chicken-gif-14217540

[lime cradle]

Gief looks scary AF in 6.

[past sail]

That grab range looks...

[calm hamlet]

Eljay after he perfects us in sf6 with Gief https://vxtwitter.com/gunkooo/status/1662498775326158849?s=21

[past sail]

It looks like it violates the Geneva Convention

[lime cradle]

His grab range has always been nuts. Imagine if Clark had the same..........

[past sail]

No

[lime cradle]

That's the hope, but unlikely.

[pure lark]

So here's my thing. I don't know if I'm even playing the game correctly. The running tackle I'm going to stop doing. I started doing it because I got advice from someone to start doing it. I can just as easily stop doing it again, that's no problem

I corrected this person that, right, it doesn't go through projectiles.

So if I am misunderstanding its use, I will stop

[calm hamlet]

It definitely has its use. I think you played enough of the character to make a judgement of when and how to use certain moves

[pure lark]

I thought I did, but apparently I didn't

Because I'm getting a lot of corrections on this

[lime cradle]

His Level 2 running super goes through projectiles.

[pure lark]

Correct

[lime cradle]

It definitely does have its use. Tbh, I still have a terrible habit of doing raw meterless tackle against people who just won't stop moving or pressing. It's satisfying after tackling them and starting the vortex, but the risk is high.

I just suggested he refrain from doing it for now so he can focus on more safe gameplay.

Tackle is just so unsafe that the wrong read will cost him greatly.

[pure lark]

You've played me, so you know my level of play. As a result, yes, I believe you have a proper assessment of where I am and what I should be doing in my gameplan currently.

[calm hamlet]

Didn’t it work against @past sail haha

[pure lark]

No

[calm hamlet]

I know he complained about it

[pure lark]

Even if it works once or twice, it's not worth the risk

[lime cradle]

I haven't play your Clark yet, but I'm just offering advice as a reflection on what I've gone through, and still going through, to git gud with Mr. Still.

[pure lark]

I thought we played a few weeks ago

[lime cradle]

I know we played, but I've played a ton of new people the past couple weeks, so forgive me if I forgot your team hehe 😓

[pure lark]

It's fine.

[lime cradle]

Also, change your server nickname

to It's Lou 🙂

that's one step towards a more positive mindset 😉

[pure lark]

I will once I can accurately assess this isn't most people's reaction to seeing "sigh it's just Lou is typing..."

hahaha

I'll earn it. I'm just not ready to change that yet.

[lime cradle]

No, when you put yourself down, for me it's 🤦

[lime cradle]

You have earned it. Just change it 😉

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

[pure lark]

This is a step up.

[lime cradle]

Perhaps this wasn't helpful, but c'mon lou lol

[pure lark]

See?

hahahaa

[lime cradle]

up to you man, but just keep your head up during the learning process

[pure lark]

Understood

[lime cradle]

you chose a difficult videogame genre, so learn to love the process

pain is pleasure lol

[past sail]

To be fair

What doesn't work against me?

I lose to people holding downback

[calm hamlet]

Use overheads 🙂

[past sail]

=]

[lime cradle]

hop/jump in

[past sail]

:)

Sure

[warm raptor]

💀💀💀

[potent cloak]

@lime cradle

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1645963765697970176?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

[lime cradle]

Thanks! I'll try this one out tonight 🙂 I love how his combos look.

[potent cloak]

It’s really swag!

[lime cradle]

Just like Ryo

...except Kim's combos are easier

[potent cloak]

Ryo combos so cool

[dapper bramble]

You think so? I lowkey don’t play Kim cause the charge DP lol

[potent cloak]

you can skip that if u want too

[lime cradle]

there are damaging routes that avoid that

i'm glad i got used to that (2)8 to super cancel with leona before i quit her

[potent cloak]

I think the Kim one is easier

I was like actually able to do it back to back to back in training mode

and the leona one I couldn’t do it or or would be random af in training mode

Main reason why I dropped her

[lime cradle]

it's a must for her

not for kim

[potent cloak]

Yeah that’s why I stopped I was like welp I’m never gonna get there with the character I feel like

I was like I will randomly play K’

[lime cradle]

says the day 2 kim

[shrewd obsidian]

Usually a SS combo starts with a special move (off both crumple and wall bounce) but it wouldn’t surprise me if Sylvie had special routes lol. Either way yeah, learn a route it’s one of the easier things to lab

GCR is riskier and (imo) only really worth it for telegraphed block strings where we know they are ending with a “safe” special. I did see you do it but only get a throw after. GCBB is pretty risk free by comparison. Just make sure you’re already blocking when you do it

[shrewd obsidian]

Hey that’s me!

Obviously I don’t play Clark but I’ve lost enough against him to know that back rolling/mashing are baaad ideas

[pure lark]

I'm getting a lot of mixed input about how to play him

[shrewd obsidian]

How so?

His game plan is fairly straightforward

Get in and then stay in

[pure lark]

Yeah, but like. I got yelled at in another server for using that move

I dunno man, the more I play this game the more I feel like I have no idea how to play this game

[shrewd obsidian]

Was it because it worked or….

[pure lark]

Yeah

[shrewd obsidian]

Welp

Some people will be salty about that lol

[pure lark]

Because they were consistently backdashing at round start

So I called it out

[shrewd obsidian]

Then you did the right thing

[pure lark]

I dunno if I did. Because I did get the oki after that

[shrewd obsidian]

I do this against Luong’s all the time because they usually do their kick move

SS is an amazing call out

They stop

[pure lark]

Makes sense

[shrewd obsidian]

It’s not your fault if the opponent is doing the same thing at round start

[warm raptor]

Fuck you back dashing is a habit of mine

Idk what y’all talking about

[calm hamlet]

They told you to stop doing tackle because it worked against them?

[shrewd obsidian]

Yes that’s my take as well

Like…no?

You stop doing dumb predictable shit

[pure lark]

Well, the issue is it also can lead to bad habits, I think

[warm raptor]

Oh yeah tackle with clarky smokes dumb fucks back dashing and shunei fist like me

[calm hamlet]

Like me doing roundstart Meiten dash punch cause people like doing round start back dash?

[pure lark]

Like... this is a friend of mine who I play fairly often

And I've never seen him this angry with me

[shrewd obsidian]

Clark will do that to people

He makes us feel silly

Angel is another one like that

[pure lark]

I have a confession

In the past I usually only win 1-2 matches in a ft10 with him

This past time, in a ft8, I won 3

I felt like it was super fraudulent

[warm raptor]

If you make somone mad while gaming then you automatically win

That’s why I play like dumbass to get a reaction from ppl

[calm hamlet]

I’m pretty sure that’s Tripp’s goal in every set he plays

[pure lark]

I make people mad by calling myself trash, lol

[shrewd obsidian]

Idk man getting a good read on the opponent seems pretty authentic to me

[warm raptor]

Except when I fought Lou today I had to play respectful

[pure lark]

Okay, so, I've been meaning to ask about that

[warm raptor]

I was!

[pure lark]

Because outside of Isla crossup shit (which is her gameplan, and i understand that) there weren't a ton of shenanigans

[calm hamlet]

Only time I saw Tripp really tried hard and in earnest was in his almost comeback set against dom lol

[pure lark]

So I gotta ask. Why did you have to play respectful?

Because I wasn't exactly playing with a lot of... well, threat

[shrewd obsidian]

What makes Isla scary isn’t her cross up, because everyone and their mother knows about that, it’s when she goes same side that’s the mix. A lot like Iori and Jenet

[warm raptor]

I gave up on the last game it’s okay though I’m a much greater player now than back then. YOU HEAR ME @high phoenix !!!!

[calm hamlet]

Wait it was Tripp who blew the lead agains dom not the other way around

Dom was getting close to being super tilted that set

[warm raptor]

Facts

I’m still traumatized

I was on a different controller though

[calm hamlet]

[shrewd obsidian]

Nice John

[warm raptor]

And dropped the luong kill combo cuz of it

HORIble

[shrewd obsidian]

Oh god this is the worst feeling, being up in a long set and they start coming back

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-no-angry-steve-carell-michael-scott-gif-5606969

[calm hamlet]

It doesn’t help that it was being live streamed and everyone in the server was watching

This was when people here still do tourneys #1021189279961075843

[shrewd obsidian]

Yeahhhhh that would up the ante

[calm hamlet]

It did make Tripp quit joining tourneys though. The trauma was too much for him

[warm raptor]

Bro I’m AtL falcons fan and they choke hard like I did too

[warm raptor]

Facts

[shrewd obsidian]

It crappens bro

[warm raptor]

I even cried!

Not really

[calm hamlet]

Cien also had that big choke against Mac

[warm raptor]

Oh yeah I remember

[shrewd obsidian]

Mac is the king of comebacks

So that’s a little different

imo

[warm raptor]

Cien was up like 9-1

[calm hamlet]

Lol nah it was 9-5

[shrewd obsidian]

That’s @vestal ravine zone bro

[calm hamlet]

But 5-1 at start I think

[warm raptor]

Oh yeah I don’t remember the score

[shrewd obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/roosch-bossanova-coopersmom-gif-18097704

[warm raptor]

But who really lost with that luong video of Cien? 💀

I did.

[calm hamlet]

Cien is a good sport

[shrewd obsidian]

Same I never saw it

[pure lark]

Ngl, talking about this has my head feeling a lot less constipated

TIAGO SMOKE MATCH???

[warm raptor]

True

[calm hamlet]

They both ducking each other

[pure lark]

Let's... make a new tournament

It's been months at this point

[shrewd obsidian]

League

We need a league

[calm hamlet]

Make one. @timber imp

[shrewd obsidian]

And it’s the time difference, he’s on in the morning for me

[pure lark]

I'm down for league

[shrewd obsidian]

And asleep when I’m on

[pure lark]

Or like pools

Like World Cup style

[shrewd obsidian]

I floated the idea of a round robin style league

Like a sports season

[calm hamlet]

@dire bear you on right now?

[dire bear]

Nope

[shrewd obsidian]

You wanna do this tmw for real for real? I’m available after 12 PST

[pure lark]

Also pretty cool

Or, like, the Best of Super Juniors tournament in NJPW

[dire bear]

I think around that time or after we can do something

[calm hamlet]

This match better happen for real

Also @pure lark vs @timber imp

@timber imp vs @past sail

[shrewd obsidian]

[pure lark]

We already did that

I won 2-1

[calm hamlet]

Who’s your next opponent?

[dire bear]

But around that time is dinner time for me is 20:00

[shrewd obsidian]

Then after?

[pure lark]

The loser of Bubbles vs. Tiago/Smoke

[calm hamlet]

Oh so we really are waiting for tiago vs smoke lol

Better get these matches done before Friday cause we gonna lose bubbles to sf6

Luna vs Cien then

[pure lark]

Luna and Cien also fought, but it was right after Cien played me

[calm hamlet]

Oh hey, a victory for you that you acknowledged

[pure lark]

YEAH THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW IT'S OFFICIAL

Hahaha

[calm hamlet]

I have no idea what the brackets are like anymore @timber imp

[calm hamlet]

That’s a good first step

[pure lark]

Idk, I didn't realize I was carrying so much stress about my bud blowing up on me

[timber imp]

I might tbh
Lmfao

This one kinda died

[timber imp]

Cien is on a Kof break
It's been a while since he last played, no?
Lol

[timber imp]

I fought Cien but we decided that it wasn't exactly fair

We had played before, and I was doing secondaries while he was on main team
So I got the mu exp I needed from his main team, and right after we played, he fought Lou
And I was watching

So when we fought, I had too much advantage
I had been fighting and watching his main team for too long
While he hadn't seen any of mine

So we decided to do the tourney match later which...
Just never happened

He never played again

Lmfao

[high phoenix]

No can you speak up please

I was good at this game once people

Ripley’s Believe it or Not

[dire bear]

Ill ping you when Im ready is it ok?

[shrewd obsidian]

Sure

[calm hamlet]

I say just count that as a victory for you against cien since I’m sure Cien is just moving on to sf6. That way, you can advance the tourney

[nova mango]

Please don't kill the current tournament😭
Don't deny me my losers runback

[pure lark]

You'll have your next round opponent decided in about 6 hours

[nova mango]

[full oak]

Was thinking this

Like a point system

[vestal ravine]

Yall heard of the zone of coagulation, the Mac Zone very much exists too 😂

[potent cloak]

That set was crazy

Remember the Howl vs Cherry set djdbbdbdbd

[calm hamlet]

Comedy set

[potent cloak]

Cherry threw

[pure lark]

We're going to lose a bunch of folks to SF6 after this weekend too, so likely a smaller pool too

[calm hamlet]

Who are we losing? (Me probably but I never enter these tourneys anyways)

[pure lark]

Almost definitely Fizz

Bubbz

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

good question

[nova mango]

We lost howl months ago

[rapid tree]

Best thrower in the server

I miss Howl 😞

He always had a case with me and y'all just suck with my hot takes 😭

[full oak]

Actually another reason a point system would be better, the more active players would be able to accumulate more points without having to wait for the less active ones

[pure lark]

Wouldn't they all play the same amount of games in a league format?

[full oak]

Nah I was just saying to have point tracking system with a leaderboard, and then have a set time for a reset

[pure lark]

Oh, so like what they did in RR last week

[full oak]

Yes

[pure lark]

If that's over a few hours that can work.

If it's over a week, that can be likely difficult to coordinate.

[full oak]

You wouldn't really have to coordinate it tho
People in the server could just challenge each other and whoever is responsible for keeping track of the score would just update the numbers.
Probably would have to set up a few rules like limiting how many times two people can play each other for points within a certain time period

I would suggest :
Bi-Weekly or monthly reset
Sets BO5
Points are added based on the score lead in the set (A 3-0 win would add 3 points, but a 3-2 win would only add 1 point)
Everyone losses a point everyday, so the less active players would drop to the bottom and enourage the participants to play at least one set a day

Point distribution can be experimented with as there are quite a few ways you can go about it

The point system I picked honestly caters more toward killers but I was just goin off the top of my head, but a better way to do it for all skill levels would be to grant points for a win regardless of the set outcome, while granting additional points for a lead difference.
So a 3-0 win would grant the winner 6 points, while a 3-2 win would grant the winner 4 points and the loser 2 points

With this, even getting a single game would all players to reach the daily point quota

[late swan]

https://youtu.be/jaZiGdZeE6c A little to late to posting this but I wanted the excuse to use this thumbnail

Their is a match left out but I forgot to record it

[pure lark]

What I don't like about this is it only relies on matches played. So it wouldn't really matter how good you are, just play a lot of matches and you get points.

Suppose you have players A, B, C and D. A has all the time in the world to play. B has finals for college, C is traveling, and D's dog is sick so their time is limited.
On a given day, A plays B, A plays C, and A plays D.
A loses every match 3-2.
A now has 6 points while everyone else has 4 points simply because A was more available than anyone else

[full oak]

I mean, I did say that style of points was more casual and designed to simply reward activity.
If you want a more competitive style then you could only give points to the winners of the sets, but this comes with the risk of players ducking matches with ones they belive to be better than themselves.

We also have a few players that aren't very confident in their skill level and I don't think it would be very helpful for them seeing their points remain low despite constant participation, you know?

[pure lark]

Why not just assign matchups, have folks play those matchups, and record the results of those matchups?

Having an all you can play per week style tournament rewards those who are more available is the issue. Without standardizing the set number of matches, it becomes a race of who can play the most

[full oak]

You can do that, but then it would actually have to be coordinated and everyone would have to stick to it. Or you would just end up in the current tournament situation where we wait weeks for 2 people to play

Which then holds up who else can play those 2 peopls

And unless you have people playing the same person repeatedly, everyone would essentially have at least 3 people they can't play against due to a match that hasn't been played by 2 people. (The person they recently played and the 2 people that still need to play)

It also requires the management of time zones and schedules. Like, my time zone is EST, but I work overnight. So the times I play are kinda sporadi

[pure lark]

Here's my idea:

• Randomized Pools of 4
• You have one week to complete your pool matches
• Top two from each of these Pools moves onto the "winners" pools the following week
• Bottom two move onto the "losers" pools
• Repeat the randomization and the Pools process again
• After this, you'll likely have enough data to put together a bracket by accumulated points from the past week
• Everyone has a week to play their bracket match or they're DQ'd

If two players WANT to start the next round of a bracket, they can do that. Otherwise, the same stipulation applies

In the pools round, a win is 2 points, a loss is 0, a DQ win is 1 point for EVERYONE else in the pool (even if they've already had a match against that person)

So if you beat someone who gets DQ'd for not fighting everyone? Too bad, it's only 1 point. Similarly, if you lose to someone who gets DQ'd? You lucked out -- you still get a point

But it's the only way to ensure fairness

[full oak]

Only thing I don't like about they assigned bracket matches is the schedule management.
Player A is available to play on this day, but Player B is only available to play on another day, the limit passes but both players weren't able to get a good time to play, who gets the DQ?

[lime cradle]

If this league idea comes to fruition, just let me or @warm raptor know, and we can make a KOF League forum

[full oak]

I feel like the brackets only really work when the entire thing is scheduled to be withon a fixed time frame as everyone knows to dedicate this time frame to the bracket

[lime cradle]

@full oak @pure lark #1021189279961075843

[dapper bramble]

https://youtu.be/TuauuWwuyJc?t=119

Angel be just going beserk

Wondering how the Ash player is doing the charge inputs and Angel motions and cancels so fast? Must be like hitbox or something?

[rapid tree]

Nah it's hundred possible on pad in my defense easier

[dapper bramble]

very interesting to watch the very fast Angel cancels

[rapid tree]

Oh definitely! Her 46k gives her the speed

[dapper bramble]

they did the overhead canceled into the high kick then low punch right into the super

thats kinda cracked

[rapid tree]

That's the shit that takes months to practice

[dapper bramble]

I like the combo routes, teleport kick right into 66a is it?

[rapid tree]

The OH into low cancel is specific because it moves her forward to land the 2a

Yes yes

The mix/oki combo

[dapper bramble]

I haven't played her in a min, I got a few combos but thats about it

[rapid tree]

She's a 3 characters put into 1 lmao

[dapper bramble]

has -3 characters buttons though

LOL

[rapid tree]

I mean I'm always on Luna's ass about practicing because she takes months to even get to that level of free range movement

The basics stats with the DEE DEE chains haha

[dapper bramble]

It's fun to use her for that exact reason

[rapid tree]

Oh definitely

[dapper bramble]

She's not one of the ones I can just use whenever and expect to do well each time. I got some basic bnbs but none of the finnese gimmicks, or the mixup stuff. Very entertaining to watch though

[rapid tree]

Yeah she's different from the system meta that KOF has

1 can use 95 of the roster and do great with them but there's 2-3 characters that you just can't do basic shit with

[dapper bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-not-me-suspicious-gif-13989743

[shrewd obsidian]

Bala

[rapid tree]

What about Bala

[dapper bramble]

Bala

[shrewd obsidian]

His name means “Bullet”

[dapper bramble]

that's a hard ass name no lie

[rapid tree]

DeadASS

[dapper bramble]

Too bad I'm the better Angel

[rapid tree]

That Angel definitely be bullet speed

[dapper bramble]

So I'm taking that name now.

[rapid tree]

BalaLife

[dapper bramble]

I'm an Angel and Ash main in parallel world from here

but this one I just play all the characters with DP

[rapid tree]

Speaking of which are you on? 👀

[dapper bramble]

I'm on SF6

[shrewd obsidian]

Been seeing more Angel at the upper levels, I think she’s an incredibly good character

[rapid tree]

It's already OUT

[dapper bramble]

Angel sucks

[rapid tree]

She's good once you understand her neutral for sure

[shrewd obsidian]

No DP = suck?

Pause

[rapid tree]

Fire asf she's always been slept on

[dapper bramble]

[rapid tree]

No AA in general=lowtier

[warm raptor]

Just use an assist with angel

[dapper bramble]

I was joking

[warm raptor]

Imagine how demonic angel would be in an anime fighter? She’d be s tier

[dapper bramble]

comes mainly on Fri though some are already playing

[dapper bramble]

DBFZ Android 17 wishes he was Angel

[rapid tree]

I mean. I'm not following SF6 so I don't know when it was coming out

This Friday huh

[shrewd obsidian]

No need for AA when she’s always attacking

[rapid tree]

Damn that's fast

[warm raptor]

Yeah he’s an even unsafer version of angel highkey 😂

[dapper bramble]

yeah they were NOT playing with the promo and betas all of that

SF6 they want to make this launch big and they have done that. I got folks coming to me that don't even play games like that asking me if Imma get the game

[shrewd obsidian]

Say nah

Too violent

[dapper bramble]

I usually do I tell them I play KOF

[rapid tree]

I just thought it was mid June

Not this early

[dapper bramble]

And they dont know what KOF is

[shrewd obsidian]

Americans

[dapper bramble]

I've went around my job asking people if they've ever heard of KOF no one knows. Even asked some strangers around the mall

but they have heard of Hadouken

[warm raptor]

Reppuken better

Haoh shakouken greater

[dapper bramble]

[nova mango]

Those are pretty good, but hurricane upper is where it's at

[dapper bramble]

@timber imp @pastel prism https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1784730962

expiring in 1 day. So posting here if you all wanted to check it out before it goes into the void.

I did download it though.

[pastel prism]

Thanks.

[warm raptor]

You’re welcome

[pastel prism]

This shits not a game, Trip.

[warm raptor]

Because you’ll never play me thanks bestie

[rapid tree]

Why expire

[dapper bramble]

Twitch vods expire like 90/60 days

[timber imp]

Thank you!!!!!

I really shouldn't have brought Kim
But even then, I don't think I'd have won that round
I did too much shit, rolled a lot, and couldn't adapt to Clark and Ralf

[calm hamlet]

https://youtu.be/qe0OqfrkVs8

My last KoF match for a while as I shift to sf6. This is from grinding ranked matches yesterday while I waited for my sf6 copy to arrive

Meiten saved me

It’s funny how much better my opponents were in doing combos and resets and I won using basic stuff

[dapper bramble]

ayo! that meiten going crazy bro!

haha the charge punches into the supers like damn! did the side switch

I'm like wtf

[calm hamlet]

I didn’t do anything special, just dash punch into super

[dapper bramble]

you hit a whole ass sideswitch combo

I don't play charge chars like that so its interesting to see this

[dapper bramble]

and none of that matters when you have no defense

[calm hamlet]

It’s kinda finicky tbh, it only works depending on the height when you hit the opponent, I always try it so the super whiffs like 50% of the time

[dapper bramble]

second round you def got more aggresive

[calm hamlet]

There was a game where my Meiten went super saiyan even though I lost the set. I’ll see if I can find it in replay and post it.

[calm hamlet]

Yeah I playing runaway with Athena but it didn’t work against the Jenet

Whip I know you have to be aggressive against her

They did a nasty reset with mai in the last round and almost stole the match from me

[dapper bramble]

yeah I was just watching these conversions with Mai. Did an autocombo into a whole EX corner combo

I legit have never seen this but I understand it being possible

[calm hamlet]

The luna special

[dapper bramble]

its very interesting you can convert the autocombos into EX moves and supers

I don't use them ever so idk

[calm hamlet]

It’s the first time I grinded rank 26-30 after I got to 27. I think I went 10-14. Started at 27 got to 28 then had a losing streak that sent me to 26 (almost demoted) before clawing myself back to 27. So I think I’m in the correct rank range. Don’t think I currently am capable of making champion unless I cheese it

The majority of my opponents are ranks 29 or 30

also I hate how I kept losing to this one guy (lost 4 sets) but matchmaking kept rematching me with him but when I face an opponent I easily beat, I never get a rematch with them

[dapper bramble]

hmm.. its so hard to use this ranking system as a determining factor because with the opponents you face there are so many variables as to why they are even where they're at

[calm hamlet]

I actually rage quit and took the L after I got him for the 5th time lol

[dapper bramble]

and the fact that it doesn't show anything but their ping and level makes it so weird cause you can legit get the same person over and over won't even know

I haven't played ranked in months on there probably around when I was in rookie rumble

[calm hamlet]

Doesn’t even show their level unless you mean their connection level

[dapper bramble]

yeah thats it. Doesn't even show the rank?

[calm hamlet]

Yeah they only show rank and opponent name in casual

So maybe that’s the way to go

[dapper bramble]

maybe they should swap it

Casual its like idc who I go against

[calm hamlet]

Well I guess it’s so people can’t farm weaker opponents and to avoid people dodging stronger opponents

The idea is right but broken matchmaking makes it bad

[dapper bramble]

yep, there's that to consider

[calm hamlet]

As you’re supposed to get a random opponents not the same opponent over and over again

I prolly have a winning record if I remove all my losses against this one guy lol

[dapper bramble]

Yeah I legit had a 30 win streak when I first started back playing ranked after kinda learning how to actually play the game, but when I got to a certain level I forgot.. they matched me with some champion rank dude with like 2000 games and he was doing some ridiculous stuff with Yashiro I lost my streak and then they put me against some more "___KOF" players I had to go hard with. Ended up cycling some of the same players

Pretty lame cause I know there's more people on the game than these 3 guys who aren't even the same rank as me

[calm hamlet]

Yeah the broken matchmaking is making ranked unfun

It’s why I’m slowly shifting to sf6

[dapper bramble]

SF6 a new game. Way more accessible, so I get it.

[calm hamlet]

Some of my favorite wins from yesterday

https://youtu.be/iu_LktyyseE

https://youtu.be/LrsWzmMa2Is

https://youtu.be/N35tYfWqsWM

Also couldn’t resist and hopped in ranked and got 4 quick wins and now I’m back to rank 28 🙂

[warm raptor]

Hit that champion king

[calm hamlet]

I never thought I would find someone who fights in a more annoying keepaway playstyle than me but this guy is rank 30. I only play keepaway with Athena but this guy does it for all his team. I won 2-1 but in the middle match (not in this video), his yuri timed out Athena and proceeded to make easy work of the rest of my team by just running away

https://youtu.be/ciNavY2tJPo

[dapper bramble]

Ngl this one the of the times where I’m catching my W and not rematching

[calm hamlet]

Lol this must be so boring to watch

[dapper bramble]

Definitely not one the more fast paced matches

[past sail]

I personally find it interesting

It's like an obstacles course

Same feeling as watching someone play Wipe Out

[calm hamlet]

Well it’s certainly better than fighting someone who can 2 touch you

[past sail]

Hm

[calm hamlet]

Here you go @past sail learn this toxic king reset. They did it twice against me. Once against Robert and the second against Meiten https://youtu.be/oAHvZ54Nrrg

[past sail]

Thank you for this accursed knowledge

I shall make it mine

[calm hamlet]

This is the exact tech that @timber imp would use. Steal her Shermie tech as well

[dapper bramble]

ah I've seen this b4

but was that autocombo into QM?

so they let you do this kinda stuff?

[calm hamlet]

Might be a link. Not sure since I don’t use king

[shrewd obsidian]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_EqsULmzl-Y

@warm raptor

Say I’m scrambly one more time

Say it

[warm raptor]

💀💀💀

[lime cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/alice-nelson-ann-b-davis-the-brady-bunch-stirring-eggs-beating-gif-21452072

[shrewd obsidian]

Hehe did you watch the replay tho?

We move in KOF

[lime cradle]

Not yet, but i'm well aware haha

[potent cloak]

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1666213469295632384?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

[dire bear]

To extend that combo better you can do air orochinagi then another kick bit now use the ex orochinagi, throw a fireball then Hit grab

Its something like 60%

[pure lark]

Hmmm... O Yash's combo structure is really similar to XIII Daimon's

• anti-air grab that leads to big damage
• EX grab which leads to a big juggle and combo potential

Daimon's j.D is for confirms and Yashiro's j.D is for defense, and Daimon's got a much more abusable standing low (his 5B vs. Yashiro's 5D). Yashiro controls the ground better, Daimon controls the sky better. Starting to reconsider my options re: picking up this team

[calm hamlet]

Are you gonna purchase team orochi and main o yashiro? He fits you really well I feel

[pure lark]

I think it's a very real possibility

[calm hamlet]

I think it’s a worthy purchase since you can play o Shermie for fun as well

[pure lark]

ngl, she does seem fun

[potent cloak]

I was trying to work on that but couldn’t get the timing , you mean the 236 K kick right or the reverse dp one ?

[potent cloak]

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1666493965309206540?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

Was trying some of the lil combos @pure lark dropped in the main chat for Vice!

[dapper bramble]

nice bro. Need to learn some combos on there too, some are actually much easier than XV

[potent cloak]

I did it!

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1666497038979063808?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

@dire bear @dapper bramble

[dire bear]

Nice but you can extend s fireball before the grab

To look more cooler

[potent cloak]

OHHHHHHHHHH YEAH!!!!!! You said that i forgot that part

Which strength fireball? Heavy?

[dire bear]

Yeah do heavy

I think it works

[dapper bramble]

this is insane! 13 Combos go crazy

[dire bear]

Also

[dapper bramble]

so the drive bar depletes when you used the super as well as taking your regular meter...?

Still don't fully understand this system

[dire bear]

You can only do two hd cancels

For super or special

But with HD you can extend 4-5 times

[potent cloak]

Couldn’t get the combo with fireball

I have seen some of those fireball juggle combos in combo vids and stuff tho

[dapper bramble]

this when you activate it? what it is like light punch heavy kick

[potent cloak]

Yes

[dapper bramble]

Have you had any issues being on the game? Haven’t tried it today. Guess it won’t be that bad if you are in a private room training right?

[potent cloak]

Did not get to like play matches at all yet, heading to work rn 😦

[potent cloak]

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1666694294223110146?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

@pure lark

[pure lark]

BRUTAL. Very nice!

[potent cloak]

I love her air super

[potent cloak]

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1666852983034851332?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

More KOF 13 combos

@late swan @dapper bramble @pure lark

@warm citrus

Iori army

[pure lark]

Let's go!!!!

How are you in training mode, btw? I thought it was only network and settings + color options

[potent cloak]

You can just chill in a room and go into training mode, just set it to private so nobody can enter

[pure lark]

Oh sick! I'll have to do that

Great tip

[potent cloak]

I’ve been living in there big time

[dapper bramble]

ok so if you super like without connecting from another special, it doesn't take a drive bar. Ngl I'm not crazy about that. I like how 15 handles meter and super cancels and EX moves and all that. But I think I understand now kinda. Nice combo though

Doing the drive combo seems to be the move if you got two drive bars and maybe some meter to work with can do some crazy shit. Rabbit hole of learning new game mechanics.

[potent cloak]

yeah drive combo is prolly the way for swag and damage

I like don’t have a hang of it yet , building my bnb’s up

[calm hamlet]

Bro I admire your dedication to 13. Keeping the KoF flame alive while others like me are playing sf6

[potent cloak]

just skimming the Dream cancel for KOF XIII

[potent cloak]

I’m a true KOF fan (even if I’m truly awful at the game)

[calm hamlet]

Next week you’ll be doing samsho beta?

[potent cloak]

I think it’s steam only again 😭

[calm hamlet]

A true fan for sure

I think we might get some SNK news at summer games fest

Which is an hour from now

I predict the goenitz trailer

And patch and crossplay announcement

Cause we expect next update is late June and ceo is Jun 25 which will be too late for a trailer

[dapper bramble]

Imma check this out. Lotta characters got moves that I'm like wtf is this? Like Elizabeth she got like a command slide? Idk man I fw her though but Idk what that special is or the parry looking 1

[potent cloak]

I hope so!!!

[timber imp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/kof/comments/147rcma/reppukenmp4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=13&utm_content=share_button

I AM DYING
LMFAO

Luong played exactly like me

[pure lark]

Pavlov's Luong
Except instead of a bell making her drool, it's REPPUKEN making her roll

[potent cloak]

The sound effects HAHHAA

[potent cloak]

@warm citrus

https://vxtwitter.com/chefraptor/status/1669805515776425984?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

Who does this remind you of haha

[warm citrus]

Idk but he hot

[potent cloak]

JP is Amakusa vibes

[warm citrus]

Ah didn’t think of that lmao I ain’t fought many JPs

[nova mango]

Optimized my light confirm 2.5 bar combo w Terry:

Now it deals over 50% which is what I was aiming for

And in the process it builds back almost half a bar

[dapper bramble]

you can do one more light power wave after the EX power dunk

[nova mango]

I know, but its less damage I think

I'll have to check

Yeah, I could, but its less damage than if I were to just do powercharge, dp, into geyser instead

[dapper bramble]

ok cool did not know the damage difference off the top of my head

[nova mango]

Yeah, I originally tried to see how much it was to do 2 power waves and its less than if I were to do burn knuckle into geyser or powercharge,dp

[warm citrus]

Anyone got a good video for Ash install stuff?

[warm raptor]

Ask @rapid tree

[rapid tree]

What's up hun? Ash has basics and advanced I suggest you learn the basics

[rapid tree]

Mid screen and corner routes with Instal is 28k4k x3 and end with genie at to corner for set play or charge dp

[dapper bramble]

[rapid tree]

It's his most basic bnb lol

[dapper bramble]

I only halfway attempted to do install combo like S1 so idk what has changed with his routes and all that now. I see people do a lot of different things slightly

What’s up with the 2A into 6B?

Or whatever the spin kick is

[rapid tree]

The whiffed 2a into 6bCD is a dp install

Oooooj

I thought you were talking about the DP into install

[dapper bramble]

I will have to practice that one day. But I mean I’ve seen players do 2A into command normal spin kick

Then sometimes hit the back forward charge rush move after wards and it will all connect

[rapid tree]

Yeah that's his main QM cancel

[dapper bramble]

https://youtu.be/HAlNuYQ1XOc

Man wtf @covert dirge got too lucky

[potent cloak]

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1671204788707442688?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

@past sail

@pure lark

Corner only

[past sail]

He so cool

[pure lark]

Ohhhhhh you can link a super from dp.C?

I thought you had to cancel it on hit

[potent cloak]

This was actually Dp.a!

I think you can link tho?? It’s apart of his trial 4

[timber imp]

You can just cancel the last hit

[pure lark]

I'm seeing now, yeah

Okay, that's kinda gamechanging for his damage

[covert dirge]

That was no luck that was SKILL

[pure lark]

Because now he goes from 408 for 1.5 bars to 492

[covert dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/maxima-king-of-fighters-snk-kofxv-kof-gif-24373373

[timber imp]

Yeah, it is good
I just don't...
Really get how to play him

[pure lark]

Over 500 if he has a corner

[timber imp]

Cool
Good damage

[potent cloak]

Luna when the character has no gimmicks: I don’t get how to play them

[pure lark]

Me neither. Seems like a lot of setplay involved

[potent cloak]

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[timber imp]

LMFAO
It's just that O. Shermie is a bit different
Idk what to do with him once they get in

The zoning is exactly the same, but...
What after?

[shrewd obsidian]

https://youtu.be/5YQovNdIq4s

[potent cloak]

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1645963765697970176?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

@half pine you get a safe jump off this bad boy

[half pine]

Damn, 70%? Wow

[potent cloak]

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1643267508495843331?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

[half pine]

Damn Dunc nice combos

I'll steal those

[potent cloak]

Thanks dude

[half pine]

BTW you mash the hell out of those rekkas

[potent cloak]

I’m sure not using them 😂

I’m a goddamn rekka masher fr

Except for Kyo

You mash u die

You should see my inputs when I play Iori

[half pine]

Bro turn turbo mode on on the controller

[potent cloak]

Real talk dude

When I played NESTS Kyo in XIII I was going crazy

I would super jump round start press J.2C, do a low or high button hit rekka

Repeat

Punish w/ close C 236 K K lvl 2 Orochinagi

This KOF shit beautiful

[half pine]

I wish I was home playing kof rn

[potent cloak]

I need to log on 15 today

[half pine]

I log on this morning before work, to keep trying kim combos

[potent cloak]

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1674134879074766862?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

[dapper bramble]

Good one, you can do the 214AC first then 6B. Leads to more options, plus it actually works midscreen when you want to do 214 BD after

[potent cloak]

Need to practice this 👀👀👀👀

[timber imp]

@potent cloak
I tend to just do 214AC, 6B, 623C
Obviously doing another Ex move after 6B deals more damage, but this route spends only 0.5 bar with a refund of like 0.4 and still deals like 40% off of a 2C, 6A starter

Plus, 214AC is plus on block, and everyone presses after it, so I usually get a free 2C, 6A after it

[dapper bramble]

Nah it’s safe on block but not plus

None of her clones are plus

It’s why I say the clones are not fireballs people have this mistaken

[potent cloak]

22A is plus

[timber imp]

Wait
What?
So why do I always get away with it?

Lmfao

[dapper bramble]

The 214 clones I mean.

[potent cloak]

Worm u correct

I mean she’s hard to punish

[dapper bramble]

You have to realize you’re fighting internationally and online

And yeah it’s hard to deal with her pressure

[potent cloak]

the clones r a total knowledge check

It’s hard to know which one is her and which one isn’t unless ur a super huge Chizuru head

You have to follow the shadows

[dapper bramble]

Even if you follow them you still might end up blocking unless you have godlike reactions

[potent cloak]

And I bet like 90% of the players are not prepared for that, not looking for that they’re prolly just gonna block

Anyways…. Chizuru army

I like her! Her buttons seem fun

Does her hop feel floaty to y’all ? I feel like her jump is faster

[timber imp]

Can't deny
Mind blown rn
Lmao

So my whole Chiz strat was dependent on connection issues?

[potent cloak]

Well nah haha look at what I said

this applies to angel too tbh it’s hard to know what these bitches are doing sometimes

[covert dirge]

This is the greatest match robbery I think I've ever done 🤣🤣🤣
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9Gpur80jfg

[dapper bramble]

Not all the way, but the shit is like -1 so they need to press a super fast button even then it might trade or get beat out

[potent cloak]

Yeah Luna you totally SUCK at the game 🤡

LOG OFF 🤡

Jk

[nova mango]

You should ||have a nice day|| NOW

[timber imp]

Right...
I will be more careful tho

[timber imp]

[light pine]

https://youtu.be/kWGd2IMnaXk

[calm hamlet]

You took one game from Daru and almost took another one. You are way way way better than what you think/say you are

[light pine]

Thank you Oliver

My end goal currently is just get confidence with a team and playing KOF, then entering a beginner tournament. I just definitely don't feel ready right now

[light pine]

https://youtu.be/OhnU8ALezyA

This was against Zero and as the title says. First time trying to put music in a video I hope it's not crazy loud

[dapper bramble]

The times you won, you won seemingly comfortably. Missed a lot of punish opportunities here and there, like K fireball in corner, whiffed DP, Elizabeth light orb up close. Seems like the Joe combos you got a bit more consistently as the game went on. I noticed also you don’t go for throw often. Wake up throw and in pressure, might wanna add that to the repertoire. Will force your opponent to change up their approach.

[light pine]

I don't go for throw because I'm just still not used to the input. Also I'm not trying to be counter hit on wake-up. But I'm block pressure I swear I'll run forward and hold back but still 5D so it's annoying at times

I'll try holding back and C/D next time at least

[dapper bramble]

Depends on who you’re fighting against really and if they’re capable of spacing themselves out of throw range on wakeup. But there are a lot of other times they can get thrown as well like during improper jump ins that are too high

[dapper bramble]

Caught a few jump recoveries with lows though. This was good to see

[light pine]

I try, still not good with my reactions to it. A lot of times he just fell on my 2B it felt

[dapper bramble]

Yeah a lot of times he just fell into an attack and you won the game… hmm..

[light pine]

Man here me out, I don't really know what I did well to win or what I did poorly to lose. I've never practiced trip guarding I've just seen it done to me a million times. So it's "I'd get hit in this situation" when he jumped and didn't land on top of me.

[dapper bramble]

Watch the first game you won. 2:42

[light pine]

But it ain't the first time I tried it but it's the first time it worked like that

[dapper bramble]

Cause you won like 2 or 3 of them.

At the very beginning, you hopped a sweep. Punish. Then you anti aired with jump D.

Stuff like this literally is what you did good. Just have to try to be consistent and not blow the lead

Don’t do too much if you don’t need to

Especially with Joe with big ass pokes and tornadoes he can hold a lead

[light pine]

This is winning the RPS ain't it? I don't do it a lot but I know that neutral jump x is a pretty good option. Don't really know against what though. Is it just A2A?

[dapper bramble]

Yeah if they like to just run straight ahead and throw attack, literally can vertical jump and full combo them. They’ll whiff the attack and you get full punish. Won’t work if the attack they throw hits upward some characters have cracked cl.C or cl.D. Good way to air to air too without moving your fighter forward to do it

[light pine]

Guess I'll try it more. I'm 90% thinking I gotta kill the opponent and not "I should hold this position"

[dapper bramble]

Hell with point Joe you should be able to zone a majority of the cast they just gotta hold them tornados really.

[light pine]

I thought it was as simple as they're just gonna super jump/hop over them

I mean he ain't King or like Athena right

[dapper bramble]

Sorry. Didn’t read correctly

Yeah you literally just need to hold your ground, build some meter, go in when needed and it should be ggs. The tornados are an extra threat

[late swan]

That's the thing tyler not everyone is gonna get a good read on your fireballs

I think your giving people to much credit lmao

[light pine]

Well I definitely just assume everyone is absolutely cracked or I'm super predictable with my X and Y. Like fireballs or DPs

Not just against you but in general

[late swan]

And I think that's your biggest hurdle

I'm gonna sound like an ass when I say this 😂 but whenever I play against someone who I don't know I just assume either were about the same skill level or just bad at the game

They gottta prove to me that they're cracked at the game

[light pine]

Ah nah that's the mindset I had before. Like in DBFZ "No damn way this fool catches this full screen super dash"

Or the classic, I'm gonna jump and wait for a shower dash then throw a spirit bomb

No respect until they earn it

[nova mango]

Am I cracked 👉👈

[late swan]

Your getting there

the gap between us isn't that big anymore imo

[late swan]

@pure lark https://youtu.be/NIDz58mjmHs

I wanted to get your team as stick figures for a thumbnail but my friend who usually does them wasn't around today

[pure lark]

Lmfao, I feel

It's listed as Private, I think.

[late swan]

oh it is

oops

[pure lark]

I appreciate you taking the time to do this though 🙏

[late swan]

https://youtu.be/NIDz58mjmHs

That's better

and yeah no problem Lou

[pure lark]

Oh god. That thumbnail is epic, but a very false advertising of how the fights went

Hahaha

Wow, I hit a lot more dps with Sylvie than I thought

...and need to remember that if I don't spend meter with Sylvie to take the 6A route instead of the 6B

Okay, this is workable

OH NO, I had match 3 if I use the target combo punish into a level 2 super.

I need to work on that as an OS

Because that cl.D xx cl.C only comes out if it's blocked/on hit. It doesn't come out on Whiff, but far.D will likely keep spacing if the opponent blocks

Match 4, I feel like Shermie can work the safe jump into an empty jump command grab. I can lab that

I'm not happy with the neutral choices I made after that, but that was all improved once I started using the 5A

Kim's cl.D hits lows. Lmfao

Match 5, 13:51
@late swan Did you EX confirm off of a 2A? Was that a planned frametrap?

[late swan]

Yeah

I delayed the 2A to catch something

[pure lark]

Dammit

I figured

Well, on watch back

In the match I was wondering why I got hit

But that makes sense

[late swan]

One thing I want you to addd to your gameplay if you stick with slyvie is to use her anywhere juggle super from and air to air situation

A couple of those JCDs could of been converted

[pure lark]

17:58 -- this is what I'm talking about when I say Dolores' 2C takes her out of the corner. Lmfao

[pure lark]

They likely could've. I'll look into it as an air-to-air option

My biggest issue is when I get frustrated and try to neutral skip.

Dolores' teleport, Shermie's qcb.D, Sylvie's qcb.D

Shermie's hcf D

These are lazy ways to get in in a game where it's possible to work your way in

22:29 -- that's not even a counter or a punish. What was I even doing here

23:16 -- the empty jump dp.C. the absolute DISRESPECT lmfao

And I get HIT

I get hit by an EMPTY JUMP DP

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

One positive -- while I don't like my neutral at any point in these fights, I don't think I drop a single combo with Dolores

25:36 -- why am I not using 5A/5B to create a wall with corner pressure?

Just clunky heavies which I don't need to be using

Okay. I was 4/7 on Sylvie dps. That's better than the 33% than I initially thought

Man, I really am not using any lights AT ALL

Playing like a fucking Neanderthal

[past sail]

Ok Lou, I love the self analysis but cut back on being harsh on yourself.

You see that you aren't using lights is good

But that neatherthal comment is unnecessary

Recognize the flaw, plan around it and move on to the next

Lambasting yourself is just a waste of energy

[pure lark]

My b

[late swan]

The empty jump dp was a last minute decision from me

[pure lark]

It's almost like I use characters with frametraps and neutral skips because I don't use any lights at all thougg

[late swan]

I thought about using command grab but I thought you'd jump so I went with C dp

[pure lark]

Yeah, that was something I noticed -- I don't think you scumgale'd once

Which, I mean, definitely no wrong way to play Iori. I mean, I guess if folks use a zoner Iori that's a problem, but even that can work with the right neutral setups

And you did use frametrap setups super well instead

I just never saw the empty jump xx cl.5B xx scumgale setup

[late swan]

I haven't quite got that yet in my muscle memory

My reasoning for not using command grab as much in our set was that the frame traps I was using was more than enough

[pure lark]

I feel. I feel like that could be a DEADLY setup in your arsenal all things considered, especially if you condition with a cl.5B xx 5A

[late swan]

That's another button I don't use as much with Iori

[pure lark]

Yeah... really didn't need to play at your full power to win these tbh

[late swan]

His cl.B is +2 so I want to start using it more

[late swan]

I wouldn't say

[pure lark]

No, no. I drop a combo in the final round of the final match

[late swan]

Look at how many times you brought me to my anchor character compared to last time we played

[pure lark]

Ehhhhhh, yeah. But I wouldn't call any of them particularly "close"

The closest one was probably the last match or match 6

And those were still comfortable wins on your part

[past sail]

Did you make it to anchor?

[pure lark]

Yeah, but I wouldn't say he was in danger of ever losing

[past sail]

Then it was close

Just not down to the wire

[pure lark]

It was never a 1-confirm match on my side thoigh

[past sail]

And?

[pure lark]

Like, in most of them it was my Dolores barely gets by his mid and had 300 hp vs. an anchor

[past sail]

Getting to the anchor is no easy feat by itself

And now you have a benchmark to improve on

Next time you face Zero, aim for getting to anchor with more than 300 hp and work from there

[pure lark]

6 anchor, 3 mid, 1 OCV.

Like, this was probably the closest one, but this is a VERY non-threatening neutral position

[light pine]

I've been pretty happy getting them to anchor recently with all my drops. Which means hopefully my foundation is there. Whatever I do have is good enough to reach the anchor without the combos.

At least I was told not to worry about the combos or the results

[pure lark]

I lost on a far.5C trade with a 2A

[pure lark]

On one hand, sure. Results aren't everything. On the other hand, it sure feels not-great not progressing as fast as you feel like you should be.

[late swan]

That's just because Heidern's buttons are bigger than average character

If that was Iori or Kim that far C would of won in that situation

[pure lark]

Rn, it still feels like my neutral needs a lot of work. I just don't know how to reprogram into using more lights in matches

[pure lark]

And until I do that, I'm not going to advance

[pure lark]

Likely. But it wasn't

[past sail]

If you want my advice, go into a match or two with the mindset of only using lights

You won't win, but it'll put those normals into your bank of muscle memory

[pure lark]

Yeah

[shrewd obsidian]

This is just testing our opponents not an ass thing to do imo. Can’t AA? I’m gonna be jumping

I say this as someone who’s AA game isn’t that great too

[late swan]

I figured as much but I know some people take things differently so I thought I had to explain myself a bit lol

Twitter has ruined me

[shrewd obsidian]

There’s a whole lotta moves that do this btw, and a list on DC if you’re curious. I think it’s to prevent corner camping because without it these moves would make it really hard to approach someone with their back to the wall Also that list has what moves can whiff to be out of throw range.

[calm hamlet]

@pure lark I watched the whole set, you did good. Just need more consistency. There are obvious things you can correct

[shrewd obsidian]

Haha I get you

[pure lark]

Understood. I had a lot of decision-making issues. And yeah, I'm still not doing GC CD in the corner. I could be doing those anywhere juggles with Sylvie. My blockstring sequences aren't refined at all (I don't steal multiple turns with plus frames). My corner pressure was pretty bad. My defense still is lacking. Too many attempted lazy-ass neutral skips. When I got OCV'd I literally just walked and rolled into j.Bs. That's just not good play.

And it's frustrating, because Zero's been adding more and more to his gameplay the past few weeks.

Meanwhile, I'm still using the same shit I did when I came back from hiatus. I am doing my best, my absolute BEST, to be patient with myself. But there is such a clear difference in skill level here. And unless I get off my ass and start working at it, that chasm's just going to keep widening.

[pure lark]

Thinking about it more -- I'm kinda angry folks are telling me I did well here. Is there where the bar is set in my play? 0-10 and that's "good"? I may legitimately be the worst player here if that's the case.

I let myself get so soft while I was on hiatus. Running out of fucking patience here.

[light pine]

Are you in a race to specifically get better?

[pure lark]

Look at how everyone else here has progressed and look at how I have progressed

[light pine]

I just want to ask because you definitely helped me a lot with that one video so I feel I oughta pay it back

[pure lark]

I might as well be wearing a bib to keep myself from drooling on myself with how r*traded I am and how slowly its taking me to learn this shit

[light pine]

Brother, I think you got better. Without a doubt

Ain't no real point of a replay if there's no constructive criticism coming from it

[calm hamlet]

Good here is not measured in wins or losses. There’s also consideration to the opponent you faced. Zero is clearly a better player. Face @nova mango in a ft10 or Tyler in a ft10 and if you go 0-10, then I’ll say you’re bad. But against zero, you did some things well. I did say there are obvious improvements for you to implement

Didn’t you beat @light pine last time you played?

If so, does that mean Tyler is a bad player?

I can be more specific in the things I saw in the replay @pure lark if you want

[light pine]

I think having obvious problems are a somewhat blessing in disguise because it's easier to see and fix. Like a obvious problem I have is pressing my j buttons to early so they don't actually combo.

And you can probably just try to fix it like next set you play. At least that's how I see it

[pure lark]

I don't think so, no.

[light pine]

You absolutely did

I was about to call you AngstyDaru or LOULIFE

Since you swept me pretty hard

[pure lark]

Yeah, but we used to be closer in skill level. And now I'm just a stagnant, garbage player while he ascended to killer status

[pure lark]

Why would you do Daru like that?

[light pine]

I wouldn't say that, I still eat shit to Zero somewhat regularly

[calm hamlet]

Then my point is proven Lou

[light pine]

Nah you were wearing a chef hat you were cooking

[pure lark]

Let's face it, I peaked when I used my EX teleport to win a match against Zero in RR once

I never came close to beating him since

[calm hamlet]

People improve in different ways and different speed

[light pine]

Zero is a good player, he just gets better weirdly fast

[pure lark]

There once was a parable about talents

[light pine]

I think I learn at an actual painfully slow pace

[pure lark]

14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants[a] and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents,[b] to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. 19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.’ 23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest.

28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

And rn I feel like the worthless servant

[calm hamlet]

How much have you been grinding versus how much has zero been grinding? You’ve taken breaks

[calm hamlet]

Pastor Lou

[light pine]

True that @late swan is a nerd. Look at his name

[pure lark]

Yeah, and that's why I'm trash now

[calm hamlet]

Well so work on it more

Stop feeling sorry for yourself

[light pine]

You don't end at like 7 and come back at 7. But you don't come back at 2 either

[pure lark]

You say if I go 0-10 vs. Dyl I'm fucking bad. But he takes sets off people in ft10s

[calm hamlet]

You beat him last time too

[light pine]

I mean a ft 10 is a great way to see bad habits. But I doubt you would go 0-10

[pure lark]

I just don't know how to fucking advance right now and I'm confused and frustrated

And frankly really angry

[calm hamlet]

You just listed a bunch of points in coaching

[pure lark]

Yeah, and I dunno which to prioritize

[calm hamlet]

I say the lights and the defense

[light pine]

Well that ain't a reason to be frustrated though

You got shit to work on at least so you're not lost

[pure lark]

You're saying lights and defense, someone else is saying movement, a third person is saying execution.

[calm hamlet]

Well that’s for you to decide

[pure lark]

And you're all equally valid

[timber imp]

Honestly, I think you should take it little by little
Trying to do all of them will only frustrate you more
I honestly have no opinion, I think all of them are important, but which to work on first?
Might just do them by alphabetical order

[pure lark]

My head hurts

[calm hamlet]

Okay here are the obvious things I saw from the video. For Sylvie, your neutral and pressure is great with her. You just don’t finish your combos with her to make them optimal. So execution for Sylvie. For Shermie, you were super bad in the first 4-5 matches but then became much better by match 5 or 6. It’s because you struggle with neutral with her and poking and pressure. So light pressure for her. If you get a hit confirm with shermie, your execution is great in that you were able to deal huge damage. For darli, you got the best execution with her since you finish her combos. She has the least to work on, but for some reason, you sometimes do nothing(?) after you teleport behind the opponent, so I’m not sure what’s happening there. It happened a bunch of times where you could have done a big punish. Against zero specifically, I think you have a lack of knowledge against Kim and Heidern. Iori you are familiar with. Kim, you don’t seem to understand when his pressure ends (I don’t either). For Heidern, you keep getting caught by his crossup that allows zero to steal rounds. Whenever he does the command grab, if you see him jumping, expect a crossup mix, so roll forward if he hops or jumps. He kinda does the same with Iori where he whiffs the hit grab after a knockdown then he either jumps straight up or does a hop taco to cross you up but you defended that better

[pure lark]

Yeah, I honestly don't know what to do with Shermie

She was such a liability for the first half of that set

I might just drop her completely idk

I can't wait 5 rounds for my brain to parse out how to not die using her

[calm hamlet]

Steal some of @timber imp ‘s Shermie setups and frametraps and you don’t even have to worry about neutral as much

[timber imp]

I'm thinking about making a video about Shermie and the things I do the most with her