KOF Tech

[foggy mango]

:/ miss playing leona

I sucked with her tho

[quaint crystal]

Jiggle physics.

That's the reason

[north basalt]

Everyone woman in this game has jiggle

[foggy mango]

Does Najd have jiggle?

[quaint crystal]

Not that much tbh

Only her and Mai

[versed anvil]

Nah

[quaint crystal]

Not even Shermie does
Maybe because of the dress
Or they just forgot

[versed anvil]

Whip's shit be moving

[quaint crystal]

Really?
Never noticed tbh

Ok
I take back what I said
Just remembered Angel and Yuri do too

[versed anvil]

Same with Liz, it's nothing insane but it's certainly there.

[quaint crystal]

Also haven't noticed
King?

[north basalt]

Yup

[versed anvil]

Like ever 6A they decided with Whip "We gotta animate them"

[quaint crystal]

Ok then
I take back what I said completely

[foggy mango]

Is this what y’all paying attention to in the “lab” 😳

[quaint crystal]

I'm usually busy mashing 6A
Lmfao

[north basalt]

When you set people to crouch constantly you start to notice the physics a bit more

[foggy mango]

Yeah ….😏

[north basalt]

It's very subtle for the most part unless it's someone like Angel

[versed anvil]

Nah I noticed Liz had something happening under the hood with how many times I cl.C

[foggy mango]

Aakehebbebdbd under the hood

[north basalt]

You got better eyes than me tyler lmao

[versed anvil]

Come with the territory. I don't know what the territory is but it's included

[last cipher]

Yall a bunch of deviants smh
||so am I||

[main wagon]

Thirst in #snk-fighting-games please

Unless the momentum of the jiggle affects frame data

[north basalt]

Of course the jiggle affects frame data, it explains why Mai is so slow

If she kept in them form fitting clothing like Betty she'd run faster

[foggy mango]

I bet her back hurts

[last cipher]

For sure, that's why she's always leaning forward

[quaint crystal]

Sorry!

[bold echo]

Why do you think I mained Clark? 😏

[foggy mango]

Clark Jiggle Physics????

[bold echo]

Watch the 6B closely

[foggy mango]

LOL

[main wagon]

#snk-fighting-games

[north basalt]

@brittle iron This video is a personal favorite https://youtu.be/nBs6gBopKUc

This video is probably a bit much for a beginner

but it still has things that you can learn from it

Since a lot of people starting out in kof have no clue what to do in neutral

[brittle iron]

thanks!

[wintry sparrow]

https://youtu.be/QEUDJeXBG1k

Chris F posted another video of KOF footsies and hops

[versed anvil]

https://vxtwitter.com/KuriNyankoF/status/1691080262824714240?t=U-a4E3M9DpInEgTrTKdYfQ&s=19

Aren't command grabs scaled heavily?

[north basalt]

Yeah but she gets combo from it

Nothing new lmao

Iori gets the same amount damage as well but he needs more bar

[versed anvil]

Yeah I mean he uses a level 2, so that's whatever. Does Rock have something like this off of his command grab?

[north basalt]

From command grab he gets a combo yeah

ex command grab that is

[versed anvil]

Sorry let me rephrase, for like 450 damage

[foggy mango]

Doesn’t Rock ex command grab suck now compared to S1

[north basalt]

Maybe I have to test and see

[versed anvil]

I know it's definitely not as cheap as that one

[north basalt]

Yeah it loss some of it's range and it's not strike invul anymore

they basically nerf rock's command grab and gave it to Iori

[versed anvil]

Like I think Sylvies command grab scales really badly and Shingo's only does well if he meter dumps and gets crits

[north basalt]

But Iori's ex command grab always had small reach anyway

[foggy mango]

As they should 🫡

[north basalt]

The strike invul on it is pretty stupid ngl lmao

[versed anvil]

It's not like I'm gonna switch teams or anything but I really do enjoy Rock's command grab

[versed anvil]

Can any Leona players give me a suggestion to get this cross up consistent or do I just have to measure it out every time?

[foggy mango]

I think you just have to measure it

Oh nice leona btw forgot to say when we played the other day

Very cool character, I dropped her

[versed anvil]

https://youtu.be/ZJHOB6tYWWs

At 1 hour 41 minutes, Leona does a cross up. Is that a jump into super jump? Or hop into super jump? Or is it something else?

[north basalt]

It's hop and super jump but kyo's close moved him out of the corner

so their is a chance that it doesn't work midscreen after that super

[bold echo]

Great to see that Sadie Scott was an Immortal competing in a tournament for beginners

Felt great having to fight their bullshit three times!

[foggy mango]

Lemme enter rookie rumble im goated

[marble sluice]

do it!

[north basalt]

I stand corrected

[bold echo]

https://youtu.be/wZQQkMsmzt0

Are there any shortcuts here outside of manual timing?

[north basalt]

I remember Coach Steve saying sometimes he's to eye the safe jump

So I don't think you have a way to make it auto timed as far as I'm aware

[bold echo]

Damn

[north basalt]

Yeah unlike normal who has everything auto timed for him

Orochi gotta fight with the system a bit to get a safe jump

[bold echo]

I see. I am starting to get the timing down I feel like, but wanna be sure I can get that delayed hop.CD consistently.

[north basalt]

Yeah I'm sure once you get the timing down it'll be like clockwork for you

I'm still having trouble getting safe jumps from Ryo's throw and ranbu super

Those are both manual timed while his machine gun punch ender is auto timed

[foggy mango]

I think in general you have to be way more manual w/ O Yash’s safe jump compared to say Clark

His Oki isn’t as free

Oliver linked a video w/ a bunch of safe jumps a long time ago lemme see if I can find it

[bold echo]

Yeah, Nori has a few
Here it looks like a superjump? But I'm not hitting it for some reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ovySOVMGlo

the last one here is the timing I have a lot of trouble with. idk if the cl.A neutral jump in the corner works anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_23HYOdko4k

[foggy mango]

https://youtu.be/FgW73AXrD4Q

This is about fighting him but it goes over a lot of his options post grab

[north basalt]

Time stamp so I can see

[bold echo]

Should be 0:15

Half the time I get clipped by the Ryo upper

I'll be completely real: I want to main Orochi Yashiro because he's the closest I'll get to playing Daimon in this game

And I love playing Daimon

[north basalt]

Yeah team Japan in this game is Kyo benimaru orochi yashiro

[bold echo]

More or less!

The 2C is an anti-air, the 3C is a 6B, and no command roll but that's about it difference-wise

[safe apex]

online oyash is invincible

[north basalt]

Just roll if they end in super most o.yashiro players don't know the OS or just don't do it at all

[versed anvil]

Alright I left in some of the mess ups but @north basalt is this type of stuff you were labbing with Heid

[north basalt]

More or less yes

[quaint crystal]

COOL
I'd tell you to also prepare one that doesn't crossup
After you do it the first time, chances are that I'll be expecting a crossup the second time
That's when Zero just doesn't cross me up and just gets a full jump in

[versed anvil]

Yeah you can walk back a little more to not cross up

Since that sequence took me forever to actually be able to do.

My real question is who the hell is getting hit by this

[north basalt]

Someone will probably

[versed anvil]

It's one of them things, that I question when I'm in the process of doing it.

Same ish thing with this but I was told that I might be doing the 2B too late/running too fast

[north basalt]

I can't tell either

If they aren't set to reversal mashing I can't tell if the 2B will hit them or not

[versed anvil]

It really has to be weird unfortunately. Since guard all actually blocks the overhead, and if they're crouching the jCD whiffs. But it's weird

At least I still don't know how to do it yet.

[quaint crystal]

@last cipher
Terry optimal combos
For 1 bar, I'm doing
Cl. C, 6A, 426B, 623C, Geyser

But it's FAR from consistent
Geyser after DP is HARD

[quaint crystal]

Also
What is the corner geyser loop?

[last cipher]

Idk tbh, I've never landed it. I think it's a frame perfect thing or smth

[last cipher]

Aight, so for one bar, you aren't gonna want any supers.
What I do is
Cl.C, 6A, 41236BD, 623BD, 41236B, 623C

In corner, you can sneak in a light power wave in between the ex power charge and ex power dunk

[quaint crystal]

I got it
You have to do Ex Power Wave into Heavy DP, Geyser, Light DP, Geyser

[last cipher]

Yo send a clip cuz I wanna do geyser loops

[quaint crystal]

Will do

One sec
Lol

[last cipher]

This is probably the hardest Terry combo I have:

Ex dunk hits otg and actually sets up for a safe jump so if you do it right, Terry can two touch

[safe apex]

[north basalt]

Yeah the hard about about that combo is getting the light confirm with terry

[last cipher]

Dude, he has to be able to smell yo breath or else they whiff

[safe apex]

Seen like Terry was never meant for light confirms from the kof games I’ve played. They always just lackluster asf

But he ez mode regardless

[last cipher]

Terry is fo everybody

[north basalt]

I'm telling you if he had that target combo from 13 it help him a lot

[last cipher]

What was the 13 target combo

[safe apex]

I think on that one he could do like 2A into 2C

Which is kinda OD

[north basalt]

Yeah 2A 2C

So he had easy access to combo into burn knuckle in that game

Now imagine if had it here having a easy confirm to use power charge

[safe apex]

Would be a lot better

S3

[last cipher]

Nice

[safe apex]

So it’s that simple huh

Damn

[quaint crystal]

Basically
And super fun to do
Now I just wanna do it on a real match

[safe apex]

What is that like 600 something dmg

[last cipher]

Yeah, my main gripe with it is that it takes 3 bars and for 3 bars off a Cl.C, you could qm and get over 700

But like, if you wanna style, by all means

[safe apex]

Yeah true.

It’s cool though so maybe if I feel like it sure.

[last cipher]

I'm gonna experiment around with that

See if I can do a second geyser in one of my bnbs

Because I don't know if yall know, but power geyser is my favorite move ever

And now you're telling me I can do two of em in the same combo??
Ggs
Honestly

[foggy mango]

Terry Kyo on steroids

[quaint crystal]

Not damage optimal
But STYLE optimal

[quaint crystal]

You probably could've done two geysers here

[foggy mango]

I need to learn Orochinagi loops

I’m much more of a Bodega enjoyer

Orochinagi so cool tho, one of the coolest super moves ever

[bold echo]

https://youtu.be/qiVq6RxSltQ

Just leaving this here for damage comparisons for Point QM damage potential. A little silly since I feel like the vast majority of meter with Yash will go toward Shatter Strike, but who knows

So that's 370-494 depending on the route. Considering he gets 461 for 1.5 bars, seems hardly worth it

https://youtu.be/NqyexBUB60o

[quaint crystal]

In all honesty, it is not "worth it" if you have a confirm
But like, to close a round or smt, or one of those hard punishes like Iori L DP, being able to Far C into big combo is something very good

I'd say worth it for the 0.5 more bar you'd spend

[bold echo]

Yeah, that's why the only thing I QM into is, like, the Dolores far.D

But for Yashiro, if you get the 2B, you can most likely 5A xx 5C xx hcf.D xx super for 370, which is pretty much the same amount

Actually, exactly the same amount.

[quaint crystal]

Right, but being able to the same from a far C is GREAT for him

[bold echo]

He can cancel into a hcf.D from a far.C though and then add a lv 2 special for more damage

That bring said, yeah, if he's mid or anchor and confirms off a far.C with 3-4 bars he nukes

[bold echo]

This did get me thinking though: how dangerous is his far.C at Mid?

https://youtu.be/YgRedSoMJnQ

And this is all at Mid position -- 1250 Max

[quaint crystal]

OH
True
Forgot he could do that

[bold echo]

I did as well. No one else I play can cancel far heavies

[quaint crystal]

Exactly
Few chars can

[bold echo]

What if Dolores could?

Now I want that to be a buff in the new balance patch hahaha

[quaint crystal]

Billy can Super cancel far heavies
Not that it matters tho

Who tf would do far C into super?

[bold echo]

Yeahhhhhhhhh, does that even connect?

[quaint crystal]

For Billy, only the 236236B Super does
Idk from full range tho, tbh

[bold echo]

Yeah, I guess that's a no-go

[bold echo]

https://youtu.be/bljJpE0psgc

How valid are these options for non-beginners? For all intents and purposes, I'm still playing at a beginner level, but I want to learn tactics which will help me no longer suck.

https://youtu.be/wysrxIOiIyI

Also, apparently Dolores' far.C is special cancelable??? That gives a ton more options on teleport setups

[bold echo]

https://youtu.be/2jBm7kIdA78

Yep, far.C can combo after a teleport

[versed anvil]

Can someone else who plays characters with a counter. Tell me if 235 for like effectively .25 of a bar is worth it?

Since Yama's normal counter does 190 with the OTG

[north basalt]

Kind of depends

He can otg from his while geese can't

So you have to judge if the damage is worth or not

[versed anvil]

Alright, I'm also gonna try to run Leona on point. Only reason I don't like doing it. Is how close you have to be for those low confirms

So I gotta figure out a way to deal with that. Even Shingo didn't even have to deal with this since he at least got 2 2As off of a 2B but Leona only gets the one because her arms are short

[hollow mason]

I’d say they are ok but a little too character specific as far as the response goes. For the first situation (opponent trying to roll out of corner) the best 2 imo are

#1- whiffed 2B (because they rolled past) > throw back into the corner. Have to be ready for this and can’t be mashing 2B or won’t have time for throw

#2- 2B > 5CD. This is an OS, the 5CD will only come out if 2B whiffs but it will be immediate. Most of the roster has follow ups for the wall splat after so need to have those on deck

The Shun stuff they showed is cool but in one example he back dashed to do something. If they jumped instead he’s eating a combo. 2B will torch wake up jumpers

The second situation (opponent ending block string with FB) imo the best thing to do is just hop forward since it’s universal. Just have to make sure there’s some space between you and your opponent so that if you do get clipped it’s an air reset and not a full punish

The main goal of both of these is to get your opponent to respect the fact that you have wake up roll/fake block string punishes ready. Some people do refuse to be conditioned but that’s fine too

Free damage

[last cipher]

Elders of this King of Fighters game..
I come to thee with a request.
Can I have some Kim tech?

[north basalt]

Anything particular?

I can throw all the stuff I use into a short video for you Dyl

[last cipher]

Mostly his low confirm and optimal 0.5-1 bar bnb

Everything else, I wanna try and figure out on my own

[north basalt]

OK

[north basalt]

@last cipher These are the combos you should focus on for now

Once you get the hang of them you can start adding more of 1.5/2 bar combos

[last cipher]

🫡

Oh damn, Kim gets some damage

[north basalt]

the combos that uses the launcher super can also be started from auto combo if you wanna be like luna

[last cipher]

I do not want that😅

[quaint crystal]

LMFAO
The Kim auto combo is GREAT

[quaint crystal]

Anyone knows what to do after Sylvie cmd grab?

I just DP, but that deals like
No damage

[last cipher]

I think you can
And then snowball from there

I wouldn't know though, I don't play sylvie

[safe apex]

He command grab scales ridiculously just do 214 A Hard knockdown or DP

no point in meter dumping off it unless u gon kill tbh

Scaling will rob you of your meter to dmg

Try some stuff out see what you can teach me

[versed anvil]

I can do some stuff in the corner

[foggy mango]

Rare Daru coming out da woodwork

[versed anvil]

She can do a essentially a BNB in the corner with just heavily scaled damage

Since you can do her .5 meter combo because of how high the command grab sends people in the air

[safe apex]

That’s the issue

No dmg

If you want to though

[versed anvil]

It ain't exactly no damage just since it's higher than her raw command grab at 90

[safe apex]

I mean very high scaling

Not specifically No dmg but still I’m not about to do a crazy meter dump ass combo after command grabbing with her

Depends on where we are in the match

[versed anvil]

As I'm on hold I'm gonna get an exact number since it is meterless in the corner at least

[quaint crystal]

Yeah
Zero has less than 10% and cmd grab into heavy DP didn't kill

[safe apex]

This just regular command grab not EX right?

Can’t u do 214 A then Dp or 236B

[quaint crystal]

Probably
I was desperate and sure it'd kill

It didn't
And I lost
Lmfao

[versed anvil]

So highest I have no meter in corner is 175

But a much easier route is 172 6C 214C 623D

And midscreen no meter you're not getting anything higher than 98 which is doing nothing

Someone probably has somthing midscreen though

[safe apex]

Yeah that shit is so dead

I think it’s just an open up tool, not some of her high dmg options

I’d prolly rather get HKD and go for some shit after maybe

Obviously depends on how much health they got and stuff

[quaint crystal]

Yup
Still a bad option tho

[versed anvil]

I mean like I think it's still better than Yama though in the corners but worse mid screen

[safe apex]

Lol ain’t it the same as Yama ? Bro can grab u and stomp on u right

He can HKD on EX

[versed anvil]

Nah that's only in the corner
And that sends them out of the corner

[safe apex]

Isn’t that where u prolly going for command grab the most ? In the corner not the stomp particularly tho

[versed anvil]

And EX is I think 220 something I might be wrong

[safe apex]

Just saying

It’s not always about dmg though Is the point

Having a command grab is cool cause u got another option to open them up

They have one more thing to worry about while defending

[versed anvil]

I'm saying just comparing them together and all. Since Sylvie gets I think half a bar off of the combo I did and Yamazki doesn't get too much

[quaint crystal]

True
But...
Is it worth it when just pressuring will probably net you more damage with chip?

[safe apex]

Both of them have ways to get high ass dmg off regardless so it’s cool they’ll be ight

[quaint crystal]

I mean
Iori gets SO MUCH out of his cmd grab

[versed anvil]

This is hers no meter

[safe apex]

That’s not bad for what it is

[safe apex]

Iori is the main character that’s why

[quaint crystal]

Yo
That is good

[quaint crystal]

Ok
I take back what I said
This is good

[versed anvil]

I'm saying that's a decent bit more than what Yama gets at only 120

[quaint crystal]

Plus...
You could do Lv1 after it and get a safe jump

[safe apex]

But yama is not just command grabbing into high ass dmg

[versed anvil]

But I get what you're saying Daru

[safe apex]

Ok cool still

[quaint crystal]

And since it gives you back almost 0.5
You can get a safe jump for a bit more than 0.5 bars

[quaint crystal]

Yama needs a Shermie cmd grab.

[safe apex]

Nah

[versed anvil]

Yama's command grab should apply poison

There you go

[quaint crystal]

Wow
That'd be cool af

[north basalt]

@plucky walrus and anyone else who has trouble doing the longcut you can use this alternative that I've been using for Heidern

Becasue of the start up that heavy dp has you can actually do the super input manually

Look at my inputs

I know I didn't finish the 214 but as you can see the input reader is generous enough to cound the 212 that I did

and it still gave me the super

[plucky walrus]

This one i could get it done far better because of the button hold trick

@north basalt

I will upload one i am struggling with

hope you can find the problem. Probably it's the execution

This is me trying to get it done and failing

[north basalt]

It looks like your trying to do the longcut for trial when you don't need to

[plucky walrus]

What is the long cut?

pj;;;

Oh*

oh..

will this make it easier?

I am doing the horyuguen wrong sometimes too

[north basalt]

You're doing it without even knowing you are

When the trial doesn't call for it

[plucky walrus]

I this i was trying to do the Z move

f hcf A

[north basalt]

f qcf

Try that instead

You don't need to add a half cirlce

[plucky walrus]

i mena that qcf i used H wrong

I think it's the execution by myself

the timings

[north basalt]

Look again you adding three extra inputs before the qcf

You did forward

Back

downback

Down

Forward

DownForward

[plucky walrus]

True

[north basalt]

Forward

[plucky walrus]

Maybe i have to train the Z by itself a little more

[north basalt]

If you're still having trouble I'll record myself doing the same trial

That way you can see my inputs

[plucky walrus]

i noticed that im not doing it so cleaqn

as it should be

sure i would like to see for sure

but as you pointed the problem is the execution of the basics

it's no so clean

[north basalt]

This is me completeing the trial

This is me doing the part your struggling on

Pay attention to the inputs @plucky walrus

[plucky walrus]

Yeah i am doing it

DO you play on an arcade stick?

[north basalt]

I play on pad

If your playing on stick it explains why you get hcfs

[plucky walrus]

yeah

i am on the stick

[north basalt]

Yeah that explains the extra inputs showing up

[plucky walrus]

Yeah

Also good news for you i am getting the combo right

a little more practice should do it very well

Getting better

i will pop the bar from now on

Also i don't know why but iam not connecting the climax after the last super

I did it

Sadly i forgot i put it to capture just the last 15 seconds haha

i will do it agian just for fun

i got it

thanks man the problem was me doing the Z too early and not doing the button hold for the qcf D with the button hold too

[north basalt]

Glad I could help

[plucky walrus]

I did it two more times

i wil cut the video and send it here just for you to se thank yuou again

i will not do it now because i have to leave

thanks man for your pantience and effort

[north basalt]

[north basalt]

Alright @safe apex @foggy mango what are the sweaty K' combos I only know the basic ones so far but I wanna dip my toe a little bit into his harder routes

If you give me a video just make sure to write out the notation for me

It's fine Dyl I didn't think Duo lon would come out next week so K' grind will be on pause

[foggy mango]

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1655358391479402498?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

J.C, 5C, 4B, 236 AC 6D , 4B (teleport) 4B, 236A, 214BDx2, 623C cancel into whatever you want

lemme send the meterless corner

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1624973738721652738?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

5C 4B 236C 6D, 4B 236C 6A 623C 6D if you want the meterless into HKD

Both of these combos you can get off any starter lights or heavy

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1623895720016084992?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

Here’s another easier one

still saucy

If you get the instant cancel to the follow up on 214BD here you can do 4B after to extend

[north basalt]

Ohh ok I knew you could something from the 214BD cancel just didn't know what exactly it was

[foggy mango]

5C 4B 214BD x2, 236A 6D 214BD x2 623C 6K

Daru can send even more technical combos

[last cipher]

Yeah, like duo lon isn't gonna tear me to shreds anyways🤣🤣

[versed anvil]

Ah just steal tech from the TNS players.

[last cipher]

I can't find anyone in TNS who plays my characters

Occasionally we'll get someone running BM

[versed anvil]

How do you think I feel Dyl?

There's like one person who plays Leona and one person who plays Joe.

And I guess Lowkof repping Yamazki

[safe apex]

My bad for the late response but I wanted to type when I could actually focus on typing

Do you know how to do 214 (214) really fast combos?

And the 2A/2B into the 6A/6B after launching them with his 6C ein followup, or 214BD (second hit) in corner only tho

[versed anvil]

That 6B corner launcher is super sick

[north basalt]

Not a clue

[safe apex]

First thing learn to do 214(214)B. Hit them with the second hit that’s like your main combo sauce and from there you can do many things with the EX version. Just have to be very fast but it shouldn’t be too difficult.

[north basalt]

Duo lon Day 0 impressions

Disclaimer: Since max only really cared about showing off his combo potential I won't have much to say to when it comes to neutral or buttons for example (count how many times when I say could or maybe lmao)

Sidenote: First character to potentially not have to deal with Kyo Jenet Krohnen meta so hopefully he'll blend in well with this balance patch

Buttons/specials:
They seem good on paper. Most of his buttons hit at hop ranges so he'll be good to check hops and counter poke. Rekkas might be good for pressure we'll just have to see.
Notable buttons/normals
- 6B goes pretty far and is max mode cancelable (could be super cancelable as well)
- 6A is cancelable from heavies and goes pretty far on it's own (minus on block but you be using it from a distance most likely)
- j.6A looks like a reliable air to air
- j.6B could be good to just neutral hop with it and use as a stop sign (ex could possible instant overhead like it could in 13)
- Both jump cd and stand cd (and by extension his shatter strike) look really good and oppressive (jump cd is on the slower side)
- Might have a standard 2C that anti air's gotta check again to make sure
- His stomp seems to be same as 13 which is quick low to close out rounds and ex for combos
- Slow fireball could be used for the oki situation and ex is three hits(Could be three hits on black as well, possibly plus on block?)

Neutral:
His hops/jumps look pretty standard and his run speed looks alright(looks it like could be average run speed like most of the cast or above average like leona, rock and yuri)
-His command dash could be used for tricky movement so he could be a hard target to hit
- Just like Billy I wouldn't throw out his long limbs recklessly unless you wanna get counter poked from half screen away
- Would not recommend using fireball in neutral unless you know for sure your opponent will respect it( similar to earring)

Pressure:
Not much to say Unfortunately (read disclaimer) but he could have some nasty pressure with his rekkas and command dash

Combos:
His combo do about average damage which makes sense with his archetype of character (even though it would be funny to have him nuke your health bar like Krohnen can)

-Some of of them have reset points that max showed but don't how effective that will be with throw's being frame 1
- They also seem to have good knockdowns so he maybe he can get meaty fireball set ups

Team position:
From a first glace he seems fine going anywhere meter build isn't too bad so he can point really well but he spends meter the moment he gets it (kind of like yama the moment you have 1 bar you most likely gonna spend it on super into otg stomp). So with that logic mid would be his most comfortable position (if I had a nickel for everytime one of these season 2 characters would be good on mid I'd have 25 cents) possibly anchor as well.

All in all he seems really promising compared to previous dlcs
-Kim and Sylvie are strong and can fight/hang with most of the top tiers, still struggle in some areas
- Shingo LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
- Najd has really good pros and really bad cons so it makes her difficult to fight with
- Goenitz boss character with ehh buttons( good run speed and jump arc for offense though)

@versed anvil @foggy mango and anyone else interested about Duo lon

I will only do this for characters I have interest in only reason I didn't do it for Najd was because I didn't feel like it lmao

[foggy mango]

Thanks zero!

Great read

Can’t wait for Tuesday

[foggy mango]

@north basalt did max show the actual movelist at all ? Do u know DuoLon’s rekka is the same input or did they change it kind of like Kim and Goenitz?

[north basalt]

https://twitter.com/AhmedSule932738/status/1699292498953155020

Amedo_KOF (DMV) (@AhmedSule932738)

#KOFXV #KOF15 Duo Lon Move List:

Twitter · Sep 6, 2023, 5:24 AM

His movelist is enormous but that because he got some old rekka extensions back from 11 and 2003

As fas I know He doesn't have his command grab back

[foggy mango]

Thanks !!!

[north basalt]

Since the motion is the same as Iori's

[foggy mango]

I think they did change the input I guess ? But they added back the extensions and stuff interesting

[north basalt]

Yeah it's hard to tell

I'll look at the Max's vod at some point unless he uploads a video about him

[foggy mango]

thanks dude! Not that much time before we actually find out too

[north basalt]

Np

[north basalt]

Ok so after look at the vod he does not have his command grab

[foggy mango]

That’s fine tbh, he is so strong in XIII w/o it, having a command grab always nice tho

his air normals and air command normals look very good to poke w/ safely in the air although I imagine getting J.b a2a’d could prolly snipe him but I wonder if like the J.b’er would still be in range for Rehop, with the correct spacing from the Duo player def not prolly

[north basalt]

Duo lon thoughts after watching the character breakdown
What isn't mentioned here I probably feel the same when I saw Max's stream, scroll up

Buttons:
-Can zone with his long limbs pretty well (they seem fast as well), makes approaching him a real challenge
-2C seems a bit slow but hit's high up so it's useable

Specials/command normals
-Fireball is more akin to a ground fireball like Iori, useful to make them jump and probably for oki setups
- ex j.6b being overhead is great and can cross up just like a taco (gonna be important to instant overhead with this)
- ex command dash having invul is great but no telling if throw will beat it( it shouldn't but who knows at this point)

Neutral/gameplan
-Can dictate the speed of the match with his long limbs and command dash making it tricky for you opponent to deal with him
-His hops and jumps seem a bit floaty now but I think that's fine as long as you take advantage of his command dash
-run speed still seems average

Pressure
-Stomp and ex j.6B are gonna be important to chip away at the opponets health
-ex dash can used for cross ups (it has invul so you can't mash on him but grab could probably work?)
-cross up j.6b is nice to have once you trained them enough with your other options
-Rekka's could probably be used in block pressure be depends how minus it is, especially when spaced out

@foggy mango

If you or anyone has any questions let me know

[foggy mango]

😤😤😤😤😤

[foggy mango]

Watched Max’s vid on duo as well

Damn I really hope his Oki is real haha seems like it’ll be so fun

very excited for this character tbh

[north basalt]

Yeah me too

[foggy mango]

Crossing my fingers bro 🤞

[north basalt]

In the character breakdown video some of the set ups they showed had him outside of throw range so maybe it'll be fine

[foggy mango]

in that one combo max did like confirm rekka teleport side switch CD, wonder if you could cancel into the forward tp to close in then cancel into fireball and run in for Oki

some kof xiii shit

[north basalt]

Ya know they never showed if teleport can be special canceled like you can in 13

[foggy mango]

it can I think, it was in a trial max did

[north basalt]

Hmm I look at it again

That's pretty good then if he still kept that

[foggy mango]

Time to start watching old DuoLon footage

It’s really great that XIII dropped right at the time that FG tourneys and footage on the internet got uploaded more regularly and more accessibly

[north basalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlZKlHje1p4

This should give you some ideas @foggy mango

[foggy mango]

LETS GO!!!

Thank u zero broski

[north basalt]

This is a pretty big change for fim

@hollow mason https://x.com/Dandy_J/status/1701585091275756029?s=20 Not sure if you saw this or not since I know you like Chris

Dandy J➡️KOFXV Duolon patch (@Dandy_J)

#kofxv_chris buff examples
214C combos from lights now (12f) and his palm super re-stands
214AC launches, some juggle followups:

• 623D
• 214D hkd, no safe jump
• 623BD hkd w/ safe jump
• 214A or B/D into super
  +various resets

623D is 10>8f, he can end his corner route with it

▶ Play video

Twitter · Sep 12, 2023, 1:14 PM

[hollow mason]

Wait how? I feel like lever is easiest

[north basalt]

It depends on how your holding the stick

I just knew people who had that problems with at at first

[hollow mason]

Did not see this and thanks!

[north basalt]

No problem

[hollow mason]

That last route is awesome, it’s a modified version of an older one that stopped being worth it when they added the 5CD scaling

People are gonna hate fighting this character lmao, it won’t last long don’t worry

[winged basalt]

Let mixup characters mixup

[hollow mason]

Agreed!

[winged basalt]

I'm tired of strike throw

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-5852775606711249238

[hollow mason]

That’s what KOF is for, absolutely bonkers offense and rush down

[winged basalt]

And mobility

[hollow mason]

Jyep

[winged basalt]

Let there be zoners too

KING

MY QUEEN

[hollow mason]

Why you think all my characters have a command jump?

[winged basalt]

I don't even like zoning but let her do her thing

[hollow mason]

Tough to have zoning in a game with 4 jumps. The secret with King (imo) is to mix her forward moving stuff in with the zoning. Trying to play pure keep out is difficult, it’s the same thing with Athena

[winged basalt]

Yes

[hollow mason]

Gotta get in their face too

[winged basalt]

I get thay

But with zoning being so easy to counter as it is her forward moving stuff becomes lacking

I get that you need to mix both

I'm just saying, I haven't seen a solid King in bracket for a long while

And there is a reason

[hollow mason]

It’s only easy to counter if it’s predictable

Watch Crazi Salvi

[north basalt]

Yeah Salvi is only king player I've seen do well in tournament

[winged basalt]

Most of his recent stuff is mostly 5 months ago from what I'm seeing

Where is he?

[hollow mason]

It’s cause he mixes zoning, throws and rush down

He’s back on the FT10 server

[winged basalt]

What do you think I try to do?

Run up throw is my mix for a reason

They never expect the 2nd one

[hollow mason]

Look Cien I’m not insulting you or anything, no idea why you’re getting so defensive

[winged basalt]

I'm not?

I'm just saying my side

[hollow mason]

I’m just telling you what gives me problems

There are good Kings out there

[winged basalt]

And I'm telling you my own problems

We are both doing it

I want Kings zoning to be better and you're giving me players to study

We can have and hope for both

And then when and if King improves there will be even more players to study from

It's a win win win for everyone

[hollow mason]

Hope in one hand, grind in the other see which one fills up first

[winged basalt]

I still practice every day as an ethic, so no issue from me there

No matter how much I complain I'm back on the saddle the next day

[hollow mason]

Oh whoops, how could I forget. Juicebox also plays King

[winged basalt]

Often?

[hollow mason]

He’s mained her since 13

Follow his stream, he’s a very personable guy and likes to answer questions

[winged basalt]

Not of lot of footage of his recent stuff it seems

Ah

Well with work I'll have to find time to watch streams

[hollow mason]

There’s the VODS too

Yesterday he had an open lobby, there’s prob some stuff there

[versed anvil]

I never watch his streams but I follow him and appreciate when he answers my questions

[hollow mason]

He’s in AZ so you should be to go time zone wise

[winged basalt]

I'm est

[hollow mason]

Yeah so you’d be done with work before him is what that means

[winged basalt]

Get home at 9PM

So... 7PM MST?

What's his schedule, if you know?

[hollow mason]

He has a 9-5 afaik

[winged basalt]

I meant

Streaming

[hollow mason]

Its 9:22 in AZ rn

[winged basalt]

Or does he Stream job hours?

Oh 3 hours

[hollow mason]

Nah he’s mostly streaming in the evening

[winged basalt]

Again, what time if you know?

[hollow mason]

It just varies idk exact times

[winged basalt]

Darn

[hollow mason]

Just start with that VOD from yesterday he almost certainly played some King there

[winged basalt]

Well I'm still hoping for King zoning buffs nonetheless

[hollow mason]

Do you have prime?

[winged basalt]

But I'll try watching him when I can

And no

[hollow mason]

Oh well it might be worth it to sub to his channel to skip commercials

[winged basalt]

Mmmmmbroke

[hollow mason]

They don’t run during his stream afaik but Twitch be twitching for VODS

[winged basalt]

Yep

I'm too broke to save time

[hollow mason]

Here’s some real life tech

We can make more money but we can’t make more time

Do with that what you will

[winged basalt]

I said save

Not make

[hollow mason]

I heard you

Think about it

[winged basalt]

So do you understand the difference?

[quaint crystal]

No
You read him.

[hollow mason]

Do you?

[quaint crystal]

LMFAO
jk jk

[winged basalt]

What do you mean by make time?

And I'll explain save?

Fair to you?

[hollow mason]

We can’t make more time silly. So it’s always better to spend money to save time then the other way around

Money is more easily attainable

[winged basalt]

Yeah and I'm saying I'm too poor for that

[hollow mason]

Time is finite, we have what we have

[winged basalt]

I have to unsuscribe from Hulu because no ads is going from 15 to $18 dollars

That's how bad it is for me rn

[hollow mason]

I hear you, change your mindset around this and you’ll have more of both. Trust me

[winged basalt]

I do not have the cash to spend

Please let me know of mindset changes to apply to my work to make more money

I'd greatly appreciate your advice

Aside from just working more

[modest timber]

People always say time is money, but no one thinks of that in reverse

[hollow mason]

Oh god man look, I already picked up Manon to prove a point. I’m not getting a second job or a raise or whatever to hook you up further

[modest timber]

I agree with @hollow mason

Sometimes it pays to pay yourself for time

[winged basalt]

And I'm saying I don't have that money to pay for myself

[hollow mason]

Thanks OMF

[winged basalt]

I can see your point guys, I just physically can not do it at this point in time

[astral basalt]

Wtf I thought you lived in cali?

[hollow mason]

No I live in Los Angeles

[quaint crystal]

And you don't play Angel?

You have to be one of Los Angeles

||Please, I am sorry everyone. I know my jokes are HORRIBLE, but I find myself funny af||

[last cipher]

My humor is broken, so those kind of jokes kill me.
I'm dying rn😂

[quaint crystal]

GREAT
I feel like my life goal has been achieved
I made someone laugh

[north basalt]

I found Duo Lon safe jumps I'll compile them in a small video later tonight

He's really fun can't wait to start playing matches with him

[north basalt]

https://youtu.be/pO8h3RACHJw

Safe jumps I've found and yes they hit on the same frame as wake up buttons/throw

[modest timber]

May I share in the KOF server?

[north basalt]

Yeah I don't mind

[modest timber]

Thanks

[north basalt]

One note though

His second super must hit airborn for the safe jump to work

His first super works fine if it hit's grounded or not

[hollow mason]

I still don’t play Angel but there’s some time yet

[quaint crystal]

Ohhhhhh
If you ever pick her up...
Teach me
Lmao

[north basalt]

Luna to lazy to learn her own characters smh

[versed anvil]

Man I love stealing tech that's my favorite

Same with combos and frame traps

Shout out Yama he has both in spades with casual resets and high low

[modest timber]

Kim is quickly becoming my “fuck your fireball” character

[north basalt]

That new change help him out that much?

[modest timber]

It’s a nice boon cause you don’t have to hard read on the full jump, and then if you’re sitting on 1.5 bars —> B Hienzan —> Houou Kyaku

It’s not any kind of super secret sauce, but does it feel good to land?

You bet your ass, and it will make the opponent think twice

[north basalt]

Yeah that's like a clean 400 damage or so I assume

[modest timber]

What I’m loving about Kim is his strong punish game

Cause when the man is right, it’s gonna hurt

[north basalt]

How's his 2A

[modest timber]

The same

[north basalt]

I know it got a hitbox increase

[modest timber]

Oh, yeah they QoL’d his hit/hurtboxes a bit for consistency

But for some reason the cancel window on 2A is a frame shorter than most which makes it a bit of a pain sometimes

[north basalt]

Yeah that's always been a issue I had with him

Other than that I like everything else about him

It's gonna be hard for me to get use to 236AC not being plus

Kind of wish they made another button of his whiff cancelable

[modest timber]

Definitely would be a nice to have, but I don’t think he needs it

[north basalt]

Yeah for sure

[modest timber]

The silly thing about Kim is that he has a lot of fun routes that are equal parts challenging and suboptimal

Keeping it simple with him is best, unless you wanna show off cause you can

[north basalt]

I think the only "flashy" combo I have is the side switch combo he can do after Houou Hiten Kyaku (launcher super)

Everything else is the simple routes that everyone has seen

Man their so many characters I wanna try this patch

Iori and Heidern are staying for sure

[modest timber]

I feel you

Rugal is low key crazy right now

[north basalt]

Rugal might cook

[modest timber]

His ability to press his advantage shot up considerably

And finally 5D isn’t a death button

[north basalt]

Far C vanishing rush is mad good

[modest timber]

That run speed though

[north basalt]

That button is goofy now

Yeah his run speed is actually decent

He's as fast as geese and ryo from what I can tell

[modest timber]

He just isn’t allowed to have light confirms

[north basalt]

I think that's fine

He has both Far C and Far D to compensate

On top of his good zoning already

[modest timber]

Why it pays to be a character loyalist

Rugal mains were dancing in the streets when far C became special cancellable

And then yeah, eye laser (special) is no longer the worst fireball ever and can actually do its job

But yes, Rugal has been pretty hard coded into the zoner (into Genocide Cutter) territory

I also need to re-visit Billy now

[modest timber]

@versed anvil https://vxtwitter.com/KuriNyankoF/status/1701775438199013482?t=XmgKs10d_0-iDplkp08LOQ&s=19

[quaint crystal]

LMFAO
Kinda
Angel is too much work
I already worked enough on Billy and Shermies

[versed anvil]

Oh yeah I did see this

[safe apex]

@quaint crystal @finite coral Angel combos ? modern Angel combos ?

Let me rephrase, good ones. I know some sauce already. Let's compare notes

[foggy mango]

If only howl was here

[safe apex]

u hopping back on KOF or nah

Its some new changes. So a new beginning

@north basalt Duo Lon jump CD is it horizontal? I can't tell because he has big ass clothes and hair in the way

[north basalt]

Kind of

[safe apex]

His buttons are interesting to say the least

[north basalt]

I'm still trying to get use it's range still

A lot of people have been having problems with his j.cd because of his clothes

[safe apex]

I see that he has these aerial command normals as well the j.6B its a super long range jump in

idk if I will play this character tbh

probably not

[north basalt]

I've been liking him so far

My only complaint is not having a cross up button

But he feels fine for the most part

He's just not gonna be figured out within the week

He's gonna take time unlike the other season 2 characters

[safe apex]

Yeah definitely

I like him too just first impressions for me are like ehh he cool

[north basalt]

A lot of people feel the same way about him like you do

I see the vision just like I have with Kim

Just give it some time

[foggy mango]

Idk

[north basalt]

Play Ryo

I can teach you how to monky with him

[foggy mango]

Can I gorilla with him bro

[safe apex]

I need to give Kim a chance actually. He dropped and I didn't play him like at all even now

Sylvie is probably my favorite DLC so far, EZ mode combos big dmg gremlin rushdown

[foggy mango]

Ryo, Geese, Rock and Kim kinda on my radar

[north basalt]

Can't really gorilla with Kim

But the other 3 you can

[foggy mango]

👀

Perhaps I will come back

[north basalt]

You can still play K' and Iori still

[foggy mango]

Yeah I wouldn’t drop them for a second

[quaint crystal]

I basically have 2
One for corner and one for mid screen

[foggy mango]

Craziest dm I got

[safe apex]

interesting

I have a corner one I do for hard knockdown thats all I know

unless I burn EX for side switch

[quaint crystal]

Mid screen
Cl. D, 6B, 214C, 2B, 8A, 6AB, 66A
After that, for meterless, just do 624B
If you wanna spend a bit, which I think is almost always worth it
46D, 6B, 426BD, 8B, 66C
You can do the hit grab or Super after this, if you're going for the kill

[safe apex]

Damn lotta notes yo

[quaint crystal]

In corner, the combo is basically the same
The same starter from midscreen
But after the 66A, I go
46D, 8B, 66C, 5D, 426B
The Cl. D into cmd run is the reset
Then you can go for light low, cmd grab or neutral jump
If you're feeling confident, even just Cl. D to restart the whole combo all over again

[last cipher]

Play geese with me
Join the goose gang

[safe apex]

yeah I know this one

[quaint crystal]

If you wanna go for pure dmg, just do the Supers after 66C

[quaint crystal]

It is the one I ALWAYS go for
So I'm pretty sure you've seen enough of it

ALSO
There is another one midscreen meterless

[safe apex]

she has a lot

[quaint crystal]

Mid screen
Cl. D, 6B, 214C, 2B, 8A, 426B, 8B, 66C

The problem here is that you need a slight delay between the cmd run and 8B for it to hit

It's more optimal than the other combo and side switches

But I find it harder, so I tend to just play safe and go for the one I know

For combos, that's it
Light low is pretty basic
2B, 2A, 46B, 2A, 6B, 236C

For 0.5 meter, you can do 46BD, 6A, 66A for the rest of the bnb

Good for restarting the big corner reset combo

[safe apex]

yeah I got this one here too

46 is weird definitely tho

[quaint crystal]

Weird af
That's my biggest drops on her

Hate that motion

[safe apex]

I have to do her stand A

its easier that way

[quaint crystal]

Oh
Yeah, I've seen people saying 4A, 6B for a shortcut

[safe apex]

?

[north basalt]

That shortcut makes sense

[quaint crystal]

Instead of 2B, 2A, 46B
You can do 2B, 4A, 6B

[quaint crystal]

I don't really like it tho
I personally find it harder than normal motion

[safe apex]

oh ok yeah I see what you mean

i will have to practice her over time I just can never commit to it

[quaint crystal]

Yeah, but it's just muscle memory
Really, she isn't THAT hard

[safe apex]

well yeah I remember her combos a lil bit

but doing unchain in neutral is important

the gameplay itself is something you have to keep playing with her often

[quaint crystal]

Yeah, it's not the usual just play Kof

Idk if I wanna keep playing her as a main
She is cool af but...
Billy is doing just so much better lately

There is also Sylvie and Chiz
Who I haven't even really committed to, but already always show good results

[safe apex]

All of those characters are way more straightforward than Angel

[quaint crystal]

Yes

And way easier

But I'm not gonna abandon Angel
I'll just choose whoever I feel like atm

Lmao

[north basalt]

Every character is more straightforward than Angel

Fucking Ramon is more simpler than her

[versed anvil]

Hey man

Isn't that her whole appeal though?

[north basalt]

I guess

I would say her main appeal is what she's wearing

[versed anvil]

Nah that's immediately taken away by her voice

[safe apex]

lowkey

but she's a cool character tho

[versed anvil]

She's cool and stuff. But you know what's cooler?

Joe loops

My team is without loops and it's unfortunate

[quaint crystal]

I like her voice

[safe apex]

bro said Joe loops

[versed anvil]

Damn right 😀

They're so sick to watch and pull off.

[safe apex]

Cooler than unchain combos tho?

Idk man

[versed anvil]

And like the only loops I know of that get done off of like everything possible

[versed anvil]

Yeah not even close. It might be because of her voice though

I love Joe because I really enjoy how fun he sounds

[foggy mango]

Gotta be honest Angel is way cooler than Joe 😂

And I hate angel

[safe apex]

obviously.

I do like how energetic and carefree Joe is though

[versed anvil]

His level 2 and that machine gun punch are actually peak voice lines

Like everyone else except Yamazki and Shingo sound so serious or UWU

[safe apex]

Maxima sounds UWU?

[versed anvil]

He ugly

[safe apex]

vapor canon?

Max the goat man

[versed anvil]

Nah man belongs in MK1 as a Kameo

[foggy mango]

Maxima goes hard

[versed anvil]

The only UWU voice I can tolerate barely is Bird Girl. But I don't see her often enough to actually have an opinion

[safe apex]

onegai mamahaha

[versed anvil]

Bird throw

[foggy mango]

Chizuru got the most annoying voice

When she dies

She screams bloody murder

Other than that she’s goated

[safe apex]

u not supposed to die with Chizuru

that's reserved for ||Maki||

[versed anvil]

Truly he's speaking facts

[versed anvil]

This weekend I might just do some trolling running team SamSho for casual games. I think my main team is doing better than I would've thought considering who's on it.

So whose got the Darli TOD?

[safe apex]

bro if u got the time in it dont matter whos on it

Fuck a tier list

[versed anvil]

Not fuck a tier list. I feel the bad 2Cs with Leona and Shingo

[safe apex]

No

Grind

Leona has plenty of good pokes and buttons though, Shingo is just meh

Gotta do some work with them all

but its not hopeless

[versed anvil]

Bro, I've been on the grindstone. I'm getting satisfied with my teams performance VERY SLOWLY but yeah

I just need a mental refresh by purely fuckin around in the lab.

[safe apex]

Labbing is underrated tbh

Nvm

[versed anvil]

Since I've hit multiple people with my goals

Frame trap with Leona, Command grab with Shingo into combo, AAs with Yamazki and 6B into overhead

Those were my tangible goals for the characters

Next week it's about unfortunately

Locking it in and making progress on reacting to how people react

[safe apex]

good

[versed anvil]

I expect it to be really hard though

Closer to a month project instead of a week though

[hollow mason]

Bruh

[safe apex]

https://tenor.com/view/over-my-head-happy-talking-hand-gesture-gif-17348337

[hollow mason]

Too soon bro too soon

[finite coral]

How many you need? Setplay, damage, staying on top of your opp 🤷 real mix, fake mix 😂😂

[safe apex]

I really want optimal midscreen and corner bnb for starters. I would like to show you what I already know with her. I am super rusty in gameplay, but I remember the combos.

[finite coral]

Ok bet! Do you have time anytime soon ish?

Currently making a breakfast quesadilla so I'll be a bit

[safe apex]

Sorry maybe like this evening I’m at work rn

[finite coral]

I'll be at work too so maybe later tonight if I don't need to be on DBD

[safe apex]

Alright cool

[north basalt]

@hollow mason when doing the fuzzy hop against Clark should I be doing neutral hop or forward

I assume neutral because it's easier to continue block

If they go for a frame trap

[hollow mason]

Neutral hop. What frame trap are you referring to?

[north basalt]

2A 2A 2D and 2A 2A 2C

I'm almost positive you can hop the sweep but to be sure I'll just block it

[hollow mason]

I don’t think we can hop the sweep, but it shouldn’t matter because he’s plus and so we’d still be in blockstun

It’s similar to why his frame 1 grab doesn’t work when he’s plus (we have proximity guard), so he has to use the longer startup armor grab, which means the OS makes us hop

[north basalt]

Ahh ok gotcha

Now it makes more sense

Forgot about how command grabs work in this game

[hollow mason]

It’s the same in SF. Ever try and tick throw an opponent who’s burned out? Same thing happens, the grab whiffs

suffering from success

Main thing to remember with Clark is, he gets so so SO much more off a meaty 2B than a raw cmd grab

[north basalt]

Yeah I gotta tell myself eating a command a grab here and there is fine

Just when he's on the screen I start to panic because one mistake can snowball the whole match

[hollow mason]

Yeah he’s a bullshit character for sure

[north basalt]

Like with dino and shermie I feel fine

Just Clark I get annoyed really easily and start getting reckless

[hollow mason]

This OS really helps with his safe jumps too, because a lot of them will go for empty jump cmd grab. But we stay blocking if they go for a regular jump in

A new one I just saw recently was whiff cancel CD > Frankensteiner

[hollow mason]

Interesting it’s the other way around for me since they can do so much more damage

[north basalt]

Maybe because I don't see them as much as I do with Clark

[north basalt]

@winged basalt Since you said you had trouble getting the shimmy down to avoid wake up throw here are some ways with your characters (I don't know goenitz combos)

Something to note

You can also shimmy with a close normal so experiment with that

And characters with 1 frame command grabs can also beat wake up through

or characters liek dino or clark who have guard point (armor)

If you have any questions feel free to ask

I did it from Jump CD since that is the most common situation imo

[north basalt]

I just tested with goat nutz and just like shermie he can meaty wake up throw with close D

First hit of Close D is special cancelable so figure it out the cash out combo from it and you'll be golden (or just a good combo in general I don't know bros routes)

[north basalt]

Examples of Krohnen safe jumps @stiff veldt

TLDR anytime you land that stomp you get a auto timed 4 frame safe jump

Midscreen you whiff 2A

Corner you whiff close B

For Leona and Rugal I'm not really sure so you'd have to experiment yourself and see

If you need help with that let me know

I couldn't find anything for his C throw or D throw in the corner but getting a safe jump from it might be possible

Just feels manually timed as opposed to auto timed

Also these will all beat wake throw

And you could replace J.D with J.CD instead for safe jumps once you gotten them to respect it

Becasue know you just safe jumped with a button that has a high amount of plus frames

which can lead to a mix up

On top of that you can add an extra layer

Once you've gotten them to resepct the safe jump you start going for empty jump low or overhead in Krohnen's case

[stiff veldt]

I didn't read that part my b. How do you prevent the wake up throw from happening?

Oh I see you're pressing back D

[north basalt]

No the back Jump D means I'll guard in time if they reversal

So to OS (option select) the throw you back Close C after the jump in

That way you can catch someone's roll

Wake up throw

Wake up roll

See?

You don't have to worry about any wake up shenanigans

For the most part

For characters like clark or even mary who can wake up with command grabs you have to use a backdash OS but you don't need to worry about that unless you plan on fighting those characters a lot

[stiff veldt]

@north basalt in the vid j.D beat the wake up throw

That's what beats it? C.C is for wake up roll?

[north basalt]

Yup

A wake throw won't occur because you are in the air

And it's hitting on the same frame that the throw will come out on

So what you want to do is when you safe jump is jump.d (hold back during it so you don't get clipped by the dp) and Close C while holding back to stop the roll

If they get hit your throw OS won't come out

And you'll just get a normal close C that you can combo from

[stiff veldt]

Alright

I'll lab this

[stiff veldt]

@north basalt would you be down for a lab session later?

With PSN chat or something

[north basalt]

I don't think I can today since I'm already helping someone else with labbing later but tomorrow I'd be down to

[stiff veldt]

GotDAM, I'm over here thinking I'm special

[stiff veldt]

(tomorrow is the tournament)

[north basalt]

Ohhh

Hmm

If anything ask me questions right now and I'll try to answer them the best I can

[stiff veldt]

I'm just trying to get the jist of the setups you showed me. Actuallly doing them

[north basalt]

That's good to hear

That same logic can be applied to any characters safe jump

If you need help finding any for your characters let me know

[stiff veldt]

I'ma try to re read your stuff. But I'm just not used to holding back before I land and when doing cl.C

[north basalt]

Yeah it takes some time getting use to for sure

[north basalt]

Terry safe jumps

Andy safe jumps

Blue Mary safe jumps plus reset (reset works if they mash throw or are just holding up so don't auto pilot command grab if you wanna do that instead of 2B, be cautious of dp from your opponent it'll beat 2B but you'll make it whiff with real counter as long as you don't complete it(depends on the dp as well)

@last cipher absorb the knowledge

As long I've attempted to play the character in the past I know a good chunk of the casts safe jumps

[north basalt]

Also scroll up to see examples of OSing your safe jumps to stop people from rolling them

[last cipher]

Oh so I was just doing the jump in wrong

I just gotta be faster and land closer with a jump in button but still be able to block in time

[north basalt]

Yup

I tried finding more stuff for terry but I didn't feel like brute forcing it this late at night

But Mary and Andy's I've known for awhile

[last cipher]

So I had the right idea but just executed it wrong

[north basalt]

Exactly

[stiff veldt]

[north basalt]

@stiff veldt did you know Ralf has an instant overhead

I don't see you use it at all looking back at our matches

[stiff veldt]

Do you mean hop normal into dive kick?

Jump back air normal?

[north basalt]

No not the dive kick

I'll show you

[stiff veldt]

[north basalt]

Preferably you do it while retreating like I did that last one in the clip

Your minus on hit for the most part but if your far away you'll be fine

[stiff veldt]

Oh I see

[north basalt]

Yeah it's pretty good to know

Their was someone in evo japan who did that so many times that he got around 200 damage from instant overheads alone with Ralf

[north basalt]

@brittle iron and anyone else that struggles with maxima

tldr just be patient when fighting this character

[marble sluice]

Delete this zero, what are you doing?! 🤣

But yeah, putting out ANY attack as slow ass Maxima starts gliding across the screen will stop him

Or if you stand just outside of its range, you get free punishes. It is absolutely not fullscreen. What I do with Maxima is criminally stupid and only works as a knowledge check

If you have an offensive gameplan just do it, Maxima is too slow to stop it 99% of the time. He excels when you get scared and start turtling

[brittle iron]

Yo much appreciated 🫡

[north basalt]

@versed anvil @winged basalt https://fxtwitter.com/frionel26/status/1724835543454736566

[winged basalt]

We ball

[versed anvil]

@winged basalt and any other Hinako players.

Want the opinion on this

[north basalt]

It's a meaty setup, it looks good to me

Just be careful of characters who have 1 frame command grabs and anything that has invul on start up

[versed anvil]

So messing with it as well. Like other than DPs and invul things. If you hold forward C "Because I couldn't get it to work with D" after the walk back. It'll just throw if they roll. But then it's not a low meaty.

[versed anvil]

And if she does a different ender she can the safe jump I just don't know the safe jump

[north basalt]

@last cipher The Mary reset in a real game (sorry bubbles)

[wintry sparrow]

Will borrow that reset

[stiff veldt]

@north basalt look what you did

[stiff veldt]

None of this woulda happened if that close C linked after j.A.

I was robbed.

And I got dp'd outta drill. You know what Zero, you're gone. Trip, clean up the motherfucken chat.

@astral basalt

[astral basalt]

💀💀💀

[foggy mango]

https://vxtwitter.com/shinnogo/status/1726590736555225258?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

@versed anvil @winged basalt Hinako heads rise

[winged basalt]

Peak

[north basalt]

Hmm I wonder

That close heavy kick is hitting really late

I wonder what the frame data is when it's blocked

At most it's probably even on block but if it plus you can set up some stupid shenanigans most likely

[foggy mango]

Seems more just like a sneaky reset thing

but that cl d seems totally reactable if you’re on the ball

[stiff veldt]

She is obsessed with ending her sentences with words ending in "-asu"

And stretching the "uuu"

[astral basalt]

When you making a hinako emote thingy

[stiff veldt]

Never

Oh you mean the cropped thumbnail stuff?

@astral basalt here:

[astral basalt]

Nice

[stiff veldt]

You can just sweep him? Daru's gone.

[safe apex]

Until I hop you and do one special into super for 100000 dmg

[stiff veldt]

I'll know. Watch.

[safe apex]

Maxima sweep also has guard point

Stop it

[stiff veldt]

Zero lab this

Let's see what Daru says after that

See how quiet he got?

[safe apex]

Go lab as much as u want

[stiff veldt]

• pop

[safe apex]

Nerd

[stiff veldt]

Nœd

[stiff veldt]

You want to say an LTG quote

How bout I-

[north basalt]

Yeah sounded like Daru was gonna cook me like ltg does to his viewers lmao

[stiff veldt]

Dokimatanda

[north basalt]

I could lab it

It's a matter of how much do I care about the match up lmao

Daru and Rait are the only weirdos I see play Maxima so it's unlikely I do lab something like that

But I could just for you bubbles

[stiff veldt]

||You don't have to||

[safe apex]

https://tenor.com/view/maxima-king-of-fighters-snk-kofxv-kof-gif-24373373

[marble sluice]

Zero is the new Maxima main, you heard it here first @safe apex

[north basalt]

You'd have to pay me to play that character lmao

[marble sluice]

I'll pay you in NFTs

[safe apex]

https://tenor.com/view/vice-kof-king-of-fighters-kofxiv-kofxv-gif-24589622

[quaint crystal]

For my birthday in April, I want you to play Biwy

LMFAO

[north basalt]

God no LMAO

[quaint crystal]

Team South Town
So you'll have Geese and Yama at least

[marble sluice]

He's committed to using Maxima in 2024

[north basalt]

No

[north basalt]

You're correct but I still won't touch that character

You would have to pay me to play any of the low/mid tier characters in this game

[quaint crystal]

LMAO
Someday I'll see you picking Billy

[last cipher]

Damn zero a low tier hater
I'd never touch Billy but not because he's bad, it's because I just don't like him

For all the same reasons yall hate joe

[marble sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/hook-aew-aew-rampage-gif-24094258

[north basalt]

Most low tiers I just don't vibe with

I know what the low tier struggle

But it's not for me anymore lmao

[wintry sparrow]

Tier whore XD

[north basalt]

I know I am

I like playing good characters

[foggy mango]

Tier Whoring hella valid as a fellow tier who’re

[winged basalt]

Hoe (affectionate)

[quaint crystal]

What's even the point of getting one better than Stone?
I usually get a Diamond one at some point just to show off, but like...
What's even the difference? Durability?

[last cipher]

"You could spend your diamonds on a sword, or waste them on a hoe."
-Some minecraft player in 2017

[safe apex]

I’m bout to use Billy

[quaint crystal]

He's great!
I mean, he sucks, but he's cool af

[safe apex]

After using him in 13 he was actually not bad. 15 he’s just trash tho like you said. But I play Darli so I can’t talk

[quaint crystal]

In 13 he's actually quite strong iirc

When I buy 13, y'all will see some Billy Tods

[safe apex]

Yeah 13 Billy is admittedly cool. Playable enough

[last cipher]

Compelling argument, however, counterpoint: Power Geyser

[quaint crystal]

No more Geyser loops.
Bustah Wolf loops.

[last cipher]

It's Joe-ver

[north basalt]

@winged basalt the only you can do anywhere on the screen cmd grab