📑┊v1-56-0-feedback

[lusty token]

I think it's more "IGG should fix the healing system to fit with the current levels of damage being done so the game can be playable."

[torpid mortar]

Igg healing is upon t1 troops and most people fight with t6 now

[peak lark]

It takes a small amount of effort for people to run their own helps.
You want only people who can be milked by igg heal packs, rss, speedup packs etc play.

[lusty token]

I find it hilariously out of touch when something like the round victory reward for GW is 4h heal speedup. Thanks for helping with 0.001% of my hospital.

[full sierra]

Surely that will help with your 25 days of healing

[peak lark]

In the current environment, even above average players cannot fight for more than 2 minutes total during a 1 week event, using only legitimate game mechanisms.
That's so so very bad for the community and encouraging anyone to come out and be food for the whales spending so much wanting to have food

[full sierra]

he wants you to buy a month of healing per fight

[peak lark]

It's so dumb, those rewards are such a slap in the face.
Or the pirate king ones that give purple frags still 🤣

[torpid mortar]

I think for some reason heavily wound rate is less on pompie than nirmal events

[peak lark]

It is

[full sierra]

Is it? Maybe pompei misses some buffs?

[torpid mortar]

They should make that rate un all events

[peak lark]

I'm always amazed how many come back

I'm like I just wiped 5 squads how do I have troops 😆

[lusty token]

They should hire just one person whose job it is to actually play the game so they can at least give the impression of knowing what's going on.

[full sierra]

They could just setup a test server and clone some accounts then mess with wounded rate calculations until it's reasonable

[lusty token]

That would help but it wouldn't quite get them to the point of knowing that purple frags are a slap in the face rather than a reward.

Or understanding why it's terrible to fill a hospital immediately

[potent grotto]

But when your hospital is full, they can sell you that recovery pack.

[lusty token]

It's too bad some people had to buy that.

If nobody did from the start, they might actually look into it

[dawn dust]

People complaining about bots understand that if you have an active alliance where people actually click help, you won't need bots. In the end, what's the use of bots of you have no rss

[night jungle]

probably so you actually have speedups, I get your point but I'll make a few arguments, if you have bots for helps you'll have speedups to use on fights that you ACTUALLY need to use speeds, lets say you have an hour before you connect towers you can micro heal and then use speedups when you're actually fighting over a tower drop, also means you have speedups to retrain troops etc etc

and having 30 or so insta helps means your alliance is active on another level, most teams have downsized because thats kinda the trend before migration teams used to be topped off 180 actual players now most teams are 40-50 main fighters rest farm-bots

[dawn dust]

I understand, in region 3, the alliance I joined all came online an hour before just to press help and that gave is advantage....sometimes. but many times, I ran out of RSS, no bot can help me then. I'm left with buying heal aid for £8 from igg, which I don't and thats the end of my game

[night jungle]

well I'd argue this also depends on how many rss you can devote alot of people have farms or even farms with lets say auto farmers, so they can get the 200m daily + any more they can raid (last resort due to 30% tax)

so for example during off week we have what a week? lets say I have 7 days thats 1.4b rss + anything else I personally gather or am willing to raid

so the extra speeds surely help in my case either for more troops to swarm with or using speedups in situations where I cannot avoid speeds for a big tower fight

[dawn dust]

I'm playing this game wrong. I have one farm account that I can hardly keep up with. And yeah I can't afford auto farm yet. But I totally get your point. But my point of view is, I have no answer for how igg can make the game equitable for all players

[night jungle]

farms are hard, but let me give you an example of something we do that helps with resources, for referrence we do this during GW where we dominate a map (if possible) dominate capture rewards if you do this each account can get cap rewards each account will get 20-30m rss per round if you win GW and they're registered they also get seasonal merit which can be used towards resource tokens it adds up alot

[lusty token]

I have an answer for how they can by changing two values. Resource cost to heal and time to heal.

[night jungle]

AR if you do slow building aswell to just get 120 coins you can get alot of blue rss tokens aswell from the store the more advance ones, so each account I believe if you were to redeme it in food or wood you can get 70m food or wood or other rss per account

if you stack alot of accounts for these things farming alone is just the cherry on top

[solemn shale]

Farming is such easy thing. Just reset gatherers few times a day. Harder part is to get your farm to be able to farm 5 squads.

Its literally 2 minutes resending them.

[night jungle]

yeah we got the farm accts to like HQ20 here so they just had 5 gathers getting to 25 will be slow, thing is I want to upgrade eventually cause the daily rss from the buildings inside are actually significant just looked down on

• less tax if you upgrade the one building

daily cap can be a pain after I get the rss from AR too

[solemn shale]

Yeah, tax is pain. Im so lazy, i have farm over 2 years probable and still lvl23.

It served me well tho.

[torpid mortar]

Give me your 5 farms

[night jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-nnooo-no-nope-never-gif-16214908

[torpid mortar]

I pay you

[night jungle]

mine all HQ20 you'd have better luck finding maxed farms

[torpid mortar]

I neeed hq 20 only

[solemn shale]

I saw few t6 farms. You loot them, get rss and t6 kills also.

[night jungle]

you just want my farms

[torpid mortar]

Yes

I want to farm my kids in you

[dawn dust]

If they lower those, don't you think it benefits the bigger players than the T5s and T4s?

[dawn dust]

That turned quickly

[torpid mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/john-mulaney-wife-gif-26388347

[peak lark]

It universally benefits everyone

[true yew]

hi

[low thorn]

When is the next range TC ,is it IR season

[vale kestrel]

after one more round of infantry TC

[worldly stone]

Same week as GW

[agile harbor]

Ari, i don't mean to counter this but I fight a lot longer than 2 mins at a time and many players do too..personally I don't use any bots, I don't even have a farm account just plain rss and speeds..I don't use an auto clicker and I fight for top spots every round.. that being said you can fight foolishly or fight strategically..things like kiting enemy into myias AOE or rotating Myia arc to hit multi squads, splitting squads like in starcraft to dodge aoe arcs when focused, going in and out of buildings to give your self 1-2 seconds of enemy de-focus and they often lose rage and agro..hitting zombies to build rage, using kiting to draw enemy death balls to chase units while others do counter damage..cycling squads once they hit yellow to avoid bad losses, stacking defense arms on squishy chars and then running around, properly focusing the enemy units in the right order...and so on

This game has so much strategy in it people like to complain about whales but there is tons of opporunity to do well if you apply your self as a normal t6

[peak lark]

Guy, trust me, I do all of this stuff.
Try playing against people your size or bigger, play in a high G, see how much opportunities you have for that.
If you spend 100s per month, and play in baby league with your spender account, yeah maybe you dont need a farm.
If 99% of what you do is node hitting, of course you don't need speedups.

[peak lark]

You aren't a normal t6 and you don't play to your level.

[agile harbor]

Yoy wont get top 5 in every event node hitting

Nodes are what t4s and they give the least points lol you'll be lucky to get 30k points per node

[peak lark]

You also won't if you play in a harder G.

Ask any whale let alone you. To get top spots in real fights, you need farms and auto heals, and/or lots more money to spend on heal packs

[agile harbor]

To be fair you choose to play in the high G because that's where your allaince is that you are emotionally attached to..you choose to play there even tho you are out gunned..thats not the games or developers fault you just being stubborn to stay there instead of playing to your account strengths in a lesser league which by the way we got 2 now..both budding and fearless are busy as ever

[peak lark]

You don't magically negate the mechanics of the game.

Try kiting out the aoe on people who are all faster than you

[agile harbor]

They won't be faster tho in this game you need to pick power or speed you can't have both

[peak lark]

Lol, this is the same dumb reasoning people apply to other rl things I won't get into.
Suffice to say if everyone tries to weasel out of there rightful matchups, the hard ones just shift down. Thats why fearless is a mess.
Which btw is where my alliance was last GW

[peak lark]

Ugh talking to you is like smacking head into wall.

[agile harbor]

With exception of rider mains who I am sure developers are already working hard on because balance is what this game truly shines on

I picked this game because of beautiful attention to unit balance and devs been on the ball with it

So If we as a community feel a squad type is both fast and strong it will be addressed almost instantly like any major game patches OP guns in fallout or op builds in mmos

[peak lark]

Anyways let's go back to feedback.
Im going to sleep cause I'm getting dumber trying to have this conversation with you.

Healing system is egregious period.
You cant fight someone your strength for more than 30s without getting days of hospital worth 10s of millions of every rss.
That's just simple mechanics.

You don't get around that with clever play.

[agile harbor]

I am just saying if you wanna have a better time in this game and save time by eliminating the need to farm or run multi accounts or worry about auto clickers or bots just do what normal people do and play to their accounts strength if elite is too stressful then fearless it is

This is a game its suppose to be fun and entertaining not work or stress

[peak lark]

Literally told you we just did fearless. You literally hit harder stacked teams there then elite more often.

You have 0 clue what you're on about, you are just as usual saying whatever you want completely detached from reality.

Please stop talking down to me about choices too.

[vapid cypress]

Hey @zenith yew just an update i forwarded this to the admins since there's a lot of similar complaints, hopefully they actually do something about it

[zenith yew]

What do you suggest to do? I'm send screnshoot yestrday and told them that will not give to them more money for someone who spend 1000$ sometimes per mounth at least should give me march skin and not to take money and don't give me nothing.Thanks for support.Kmow i'm not thr only one there is a friends who use it 700tickets and get nothing like me..so no money back and no march skin

Know* the*

[scenic lark]

[zealous flame]

You also don’t need them if you sit on helipad and don’t fight if you have a losing match up.

You really just talk for the sake of talking

[agile harbor]

No such thing as a losing match up almost all events are decided all the way till the last day..sitting on helipad won't get you top 5 in rewards

[zealous flame]

Yes, when you’re a spender playing in fearless (low fearless in your case) or in budding there will be very few losing matchups. But guess what happens if everyone plays there instead of playing against accounts their own level or higher?

The fact you feel the need to weigh in on something you don’t understand because you spend the whole game looking for weak people to fight is mind boggling.

This conversations already pointless because no matter how many examples I point to where you have given up in an event or lose to 1 person you will just refute with rubbish.

[lofty spear]

What if i teleport in enemy helipad?

[solemn shale]

This is new.

[worldly stone]

👀

[vapid cypress]

The admins will forward it to their team, although it's not really a guarantee but sometimes when this happens they figure something out (hopefully) 😅 cuz i understand this is also very unacceptable, if you pay for every packs possible and not get it then it's just a scam

[torpid mortar]

I didn320’and did not got it please talk for my behalf too

[zenith yew]

Dls admin chyntia send me message but guess that can't to do much money will not come back and no march skin for me,hopefuly will fix it that another players get it...

[solemn shale]

That is good for their marketing. You can buy all packs possible and still dont get reward. But go for it👍

Ridiculous.

[main turtle]

Yeah it’s some bs! This will discourage players from buying! I know it pissed me off

[solemn shale]

I understand that you can set really small % to actually get reward, and you let players to buy until they give up or get it. But to have players that actually bought all packs and still didnt get it is a scam.

[keen panther]

Tel me something new. I heard other mobile games protests this kind of stuff. This should be Brought up at the world championship

[lethal jackal]

i am not sure anyone wants to waste money to watch it

i could be 100% wrong though, we already wasted so much money playing this game

[ripe wind]

Ottimo lavoro

[peak lark]

Yeah there should be an amount spent that automatically gives the skin, this is genuinely a scam.
Honestly I wish people would stop falling for it, spending hundreds on them is crazy anyways.
Like if you spend $50 on the event skin should be guaranteed, anything else is insanely dishonest gambling setup

[full sierra]

Isn't this the first one you couldn't get from buying out?
I think usually you could finish the wheel with available packs

[peak lark]

I'm just saying anything generally that charges you as much as they do, on average, for essentially a cosmetic, even in a p2w game, i find extremely distasteful. More than any other business aspect of this game. It's always been gross, this one is just a bit worse.

[bleak wren]

Beast invasion take so much time why not just give an option to skip like aod

[torpid mortar]

Best one was duck event for skin it was atleast guarantee roullete are shi ttt

[indigo lagoon]

Spend x $ for skins is the best. Roulette ones I never bother with cause they aren't guaranteed and knowing me I wouldn't get them.

[night jungle]

you just like to pick on noobs which isnt FUN so just shush shush slimmy boy

[torpid mortar]

It is very fun when you crush ego of big might player when you small might ! Thats why i like it in elite warzone challenges for alliance !
Slim play fearless and g200-250 thats useless there only you whale alone get fun no challenge just useless fight

[night jungle]

bc he is the whale

[torpid mortar]

If there is no challenge theres no fun

[peak lark]

Hey guys, it's a choice. Everyone could be as genius as slim and be the 1 overpowered guy in baby land if they applied themselves.

And if you're not playing that way, f you noob

[torpid mortar]

I dont think slim ever played apex or elite

[torpid mortar]

I dont even spend you noob

[indigo lagoon]

Yes you do whapple

[torpid mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-a-free-to-play-game-the-black-hokage-free-ride-free2play-stream-gif-22681443

[full sierra]

He played elite in grop

And by played I mean he was registered and hid in helipad

[lusty token]

Didn't he do more than hide? Like, bother people in chat too?

[kind socket]

the time isnt the problem, its not being able to do other stuff during it for me

if they gave something like auto rally i wouldnt mind so much

[ocean mural]

I remember fighting him in gw

their garrison was actually able to hold us

for a bit while he's mr legend is staying heli

[torpid mortar]

When. ?

[lusty token]

Back when you were able to enter beast invasion from the origin of beasts menu, you could do afk bounty ground and AFK beast at the same time. It was nice while it lasted.

[worldly stone]

I never knew 😭

[full sierra]

[ocean mural]

when I was in Skii

[main turtle]

Skii skii

That was a good alliance.. I remember Taylor was a beast

[torpid mortar]

He still is

[ocean mural]

basically a one man alliance

[main turtle]

I do remember reading on alliance board members must give rss to Taylor once a week 💀💀

[main turtle]

He play in SSI now?

[blissful basin]

Yea rice paper @main turtle hope ur all good just checking up on everyone

[main turtle]

Always good

[ocean mural]

and Jessica, they fight nonstop so pretty cheap for getting carried

then they left when we kept getting g1-5 always hehe

[main turtle]

Jessica is a beast too! I remember her from DS

[fossil wyvern]

I wish they'd bring that aspect back. Beast Invasion and Bounty Ground are such chores. (/sigh)

[peak willow]

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[potent verge]

Add zombie and hivemind tasks to higher leagues in alliance league. Even if there are less of the tasks available.

[solemn shale]

Didnt know this is possible.

[full sierra]

What's that

[solemn shale]

Event from Gold mall. Their website gold mall

[violet roost]

No puede seguir sucediendo la migración de ballenas a servidores, es una vergüenza para IGG permitir lo que acaba de suceder en la región 786.
Los jugadores de viejas regiones no deberían poder migrar a las nuevas, quitándo las ganas de jugar a los nuevos

[agile harbor]

Note to self, please dont spend $5,000 to aquire a base skin that only gives 3% extra benefit that you wont feel at all if you are a whale as it is. This is what i mean by whales overspending and its laughable.. and then certain people on this forum actually defend this type of dumb spending and claim its good for the game.. oh yes, these people who defend overspending like this dont realize how stupid they sound by association, NO ONE should be defending idiotic spending.

[lusty token]

"Temporary internet numbers I spend my money on are better than temporary internet numbers other people spend their money on."
-Slim

[indigo lagoon]

How do you know its over 5k?

[worldly stone]

He tested

[zealous flame]

Why do you care how they spend their money? They have secured 1st place without having to worry or check again. So what if they spent more money than you imagine spending

It’s more laughable that you care so much about it

[agile harbor]

78 000..as a f2p you will be stretched to hit 4,000..that leaves 74,000 points..a 5$ pack starts with 30 snowballs which at best gives you 90 points if lucky or about 45 if not..so 5$ is 45 points.. to get 74,000 do the math

[indigo lagoon]

Unless the higher packs give more for less $.

[agile harbor]

Correct.. something i can't see cause I didn't even buy the 5$ pack

So unless packs return higher and higher snowballs the current $ is out of this world at 78k

[agile harbor]

Because society shouldn't normalize bad habits....its why we have boycotts, lobbying, protests.. its easy to sit back and shrug and say "oh well" but that's lazy attitude that's almost as bad as the purputrator them selves.. aligning your mentality that over spending is something you personally can't do anything about is flawed

[zealous flame]

Well no I don’t care how much anyone spends, it’s their money. The only reason I can see for you caring so much is jealousy. It’s a video game bro and its pay structure is based around people buying packs

[agile harbor]

Why would you be jealous of a mistake someone is making? Spending $5000 on a 3% increase isnt jealousy its stupid, and people get shamed for it.. You may not want to do it but i do, i have a whole squad of people to call upon to shame whales like this in game and out.. discord rules prevent it openly but the game it self doesnt

Its why whales get ripped apart in chat and publically humiliated in every event, as a reminder not to spend. it sucks to be a whale when they meet a person like me

[zealous flame]

You’re jealous because you don’t have the capacity to spend that much money on a video game. It’s clear to see every time you talk about whales and the pay structure of this game.

[agile harbor]

dude, they are making bad financial decisions are you seriously defending that? These guys have awful money management skills

anyone who is spending this much on a game has awful financial standing and reason.. its nothing to be jealous of

going into debt, running credit cards, going behind your spouce back, taking money out of the business to pay for a video game isnt jealousy its poor investment

[indigo lagoon]

It's not bad financial decision if its play money...

[zealous flame]

Why do you care? It’s their money.

[zealous flame]

Also you have no idea about their financial situations, this is all just you making up stories.

[lusty token]

That is how slim does his reality

[zealous flame]

So many people in here just make stuff up

[agile harbor]

in no scenario can you justify $5000 for a 3% increase.. even if you love the game

if you love the game you understand there is a certain number associated with a % of increase called power creep.. why dont you go pay $50 for a cup of coffee tomorrow that others pay $5 for

please flex to pay for something others get 10x cheaper, see if you feel smart about it

[zealous flame]

I don’t think you know what power creep is.

Unplug Slim, take some time away from being perennially online.

It’s of no concern of yours how much someone spends to get a skin, could they get it for less? Probably. But who cares? If they want to spend their money on boxes to get it for more why does that matter? It is their money. They don’t only get points from their spending the get the other stuff in the boxes also.

[torpid mortar]

They do not spend money on it for just skin ( workshop material is top priority than honing chips and then superbatms frag )

[torpid mortar]

They should invite me in alliance before buying packs tho

[agile harbor]

Takes forever to get gold carbon that should be locked away by grinding not just $

I want to have a 25 garage too but I can't even tho I got enough blue prints its the gold carbon thats the issue

[torpid mortar]

Why would rich person play game if he want to grind like me and other F2P

[agile harbor]

Whales should only be able to buy SOME not all elements of the game it will make a lot more sense

[torpid mortar]

Have you been in G1 ?

[agile harbor]

If a whale had to spend their own time and be gatekept it will force them to actually play the game..many video game companies restrict specific products to just be bought vs acquired through grinding

[torpid mortar]

There are 100 plus in each legion who is willing to spend 50-100k $ just to be maxxed out in 1 month instead of grinding 5 years

[agile harbor]

So by eliminating gold carbon for example from packs they can immediately equililize the garage part of the game

[torpid mortar]

[agile harbor]

Whales can still buy arms and purple chips etc but not golden carbon

[torpid mortar]

Why ?

[agile harbor]

So you see a small change like that shows devs do care about overall player base and not just squeezing $

[agile harbor]

Because it allows players to feel validated for grinding

They know that no matter how much money you got some items are not for sale it gives players motivation and the game meaning

[full sierra]

why would igg want that

[agile harbor]

Because it would appeal to 90% of their play base

[torpid mortar]

Why would a game company dont want players to spend to be more powerful fast than 99 percent other people in game

[agile harbor]

Its a token and a clear indication they value total customer satisfaction over just money

[lusty token]

Because they don't care about money! In fact, they hate taking money from people!

[torpid mortar]

No one care for that 90 percent in iGg company

[agile harbor]

Thats not true

I build my entire case around fighting this narrative

[full sierra]

and what about their customer base

[torpid mortar]

Claude is living example

[agile harbor]

For 15 months straight i been telling people IGG cares about total community and not just money

[torpid mortar]

Because you work for igg

[agile harbor]

There is evidence of this every month and when I present it people can't believe it

[agile harbor]

Claude is a must have hero he is super important

[torpid mortar]

Yes and 90
Percent player base dont get him bcs he is only paid hero

[full sierra]

did you buy spins

[agile harbor]

Ye

I bought 5$ per event , 2 times the event circled back so 10$

[full sierra]

not just the money?

[agile harbor]

The best ppl got him free from the first spin

[agile harbor]

Okay and that's not fair is it

The moment something isn't fair it breaks the game so I am here to remind pl fairness still exists

[torpid mortar]

And you said devs care for their player base

[full sierra]

true I got 10 frag from a free spin that means I'm best ppl

[agile harbor]

We have brackets to make things fair we have might to make things fair etc - fairness is a big deal for igg and for me

So when you notice something isnr fair tell me

I can review it and put suggestions in

[full sierra]

ok, I noticed 4k+ fp whales in fearless, what you gonna do

[agile harbor]

Thats not unfair tho

[torpid mortar]

Lecture them to go back to apex

[agile harbor]

They choose to go there that doesn't stop the average players game experience

Thats not a broken mechanic

[torpid mortar]

That 4k fp guy will ruin whole bracket gameplay

[lusty token]

Right, if somebody chooses to make things unfair, it doesn't count as unfair.

[agile harbor]

Yes he did that in our AR

One mega whale ruined the entire bracket

[torpid mortar]

Count me in next time i want to be unfair too

[agile harbor]

He had 1.5B points the next guy had a 400k

[torpid mortar]

I think if i play dill brackets i will take 1 effortlessly

[agile harbor]

The whale had more points than the whole war meets war in AR just 1 player

doesn't it surprise you we don't have more ppl flood discord and complain

[night jungle]

devs want money, your logic makes no sense here

[agile harbor]

There are thousands 10s of thousands of players who play why aren't they on discord daily submitting feedback

[night jungle]

it dosnt suprise me, cause the games designed like this

you are just yapping

[zealous flame]

That's true, they did 🙂

Confirmed Slim thinks I am "The best ppl" @night jungle

[peak lark]

I cant with the circular logic anymore man

[peak lark]

Half their countries don't even allow discord you potato

Also like check the other language chats for that good ole flood of "positive feedback"
RIP dev Austin

[broken horizon]

Well as long as SSI keeps destroying everyone in APEX you might as well get used to the Apex players joining the lower brackets. Just the reality of it.

[night jungle]

I mean if its not ssi its someone else I wouldn't really push the blame on them, ultimately they're more help than not by bringing top whales together instead of spreading out themselves

The problem would exist no matter who's at the top, that's reality

[broken horizon]

That's true

[night jungle]

Matchmaking won't bless you, you fight rok same reality

[broken horizon]

True as well

I think really most whales players are just tired. I mean I don't blame them really. I watched the G1 GW fight... and spoke to a few ROK that fought in that battle. The amount of rss lost was mind blowing

[peak lark]

If there were a handful of similar sized teams at the top instead of 1 like ssi stronger by miles it would be different.
It's not so much blame on SSI as just one mechanism.
We didn't mind apex even when it was way out of our league, except the fear specifically of running into SSI and being a dead event keeps us out, and caused our big split forever.
You've said similar- apex isn't scary, SSI is

[night jungle]

yeah but is this even a reality? theres generally one team dominating, you can argue they can maybe regulate it to where teams have an upper limit etc etc but if ssi leaves another team will try to replicate the same thing

[zealous flame]

Yeah but you can't really use G1 GW as a case study of anything because it was a 3v1. Just like it would be if ROK_ got 2 of their allies in the final circle against SSI. It's just the way it is

Just like most brackets everywhere it's decided as soon as you see who is there

[broken horizon]

Well that's any bracket really

[peak lark]

? Why not?
Imagine they halve the sizes of alliances or something?
Like it's obviously not reality now, but there were times where those top teams were more similar. Not QUITE this stacked.

Like it seems like all the big krakens who still care about the game go to SSI, and the other big teams are 80% checked out haha

[zealous flame]

What would halving the sizes of the alliances do apart from make those half alliances now team up with themselves and they can throw 2 rallies at your tower in AR now instead of 1?

[peak lark]

What if they're in different G's?
I feel like it's always so hard to use any minor amount of creativity in these conversations, which really are theoretical in the first place considering the premise is "what could even be done about this it will always be this way"

Right now there's not enough big, focused, sweaty whales to have any interesting matchup dynamics involving SSI.
I think we probably all agree on that.
All the other biggest teams have a fraction of the number of focused krakens, and a lot of them are washed up and over things now

[zealous flame]

But what I am saying is nothing changes, you split all top alliances in half (because you cannot do it to just 1) then the 2 halves of SSI are still stronger than the 2 halves of whatever alliance. Now they are in 2 battlefields dominating or they are in one teaming up

The same percieved issue would persist

[peak lark]

When we say "as long as SSI exists, the downward pressure for other whales and teams will exist" we don't literally mean SSI like a targeted hit haha, just a team like that generally.

[zealous flame]

I'm just using the example of SSI, it can be whatever top alliance.

[peak lark]

If you split rok in half, it's going to bring the difference between half of rok and half of SSI a lot closer than having them combined for example.
OFC it doesn't completely "solve" it

Especially in things like AR.

It's a lot easier to get something interesting happening when 95% of the top 3% of players are all in 1 team 😅

It's still not going to fix it, but frankly saying it's impossible and throwing up our hands is a boring conversation

Just relegating SSI G to be throw away is boring.
Idc, match them differently, manually. Its 1 team, in 1 matchup. Mix it up. Easily done

At worst it makes some of them split 😅

[zealous flame]

I don't think that is true. One alliance whatever one... doesn't matter which is stronger and has more top tier whales than the other, if split in half the weaker one would have to focus all their big whales into one half to compete with half the other. Which then makes the game worse for the other weaker half of the alliance

[zealous flame]

Last AR if they were in G1 against 59E merge it wouldn't be boring though. MxE and UoD went against 59E merge instead because SSI had previously already decided to split for AR and I am pretty sure won almost every other Apex battlefield. There are good fights out there for SSI and every other top alliance

[peak lark]

😂

[lethal jackal]

fairness isnt a word in P2W world

we must forget about it when we sign up for this game

[peak lark]

Oh yeah that's a different convo entirely

Though decidedly probably less boring haha

[night jungle]

Might be replying to slim hahha

[peak lark]

Oh dang I'm legitimately 95% asleep now

[alpine cape]

Aquí yo de Venezuela

[red kestrel]

A player in my alliance spun 800 times and did not win the cat skin.

0.19 probability is too low and robs people of their hard earned money. Please provide events that abolish the entire concept of probability as they cause distress to those who take part and don’t win after spending a considerable amount of money.

If your management team considers this a fair game as they stated above, I believe that the cat skin event and other future “lottery” events as you so clearly stated should be completely excluded from the game.

Give guaranteed prizes or clearly state that these games are lotteries in bold text.

[atomic stag]

Hai ragione ho speso un sacco di soldi e non ho vinto la skin, è frustrante, mi è passata la voglia di giocare

[red kestrel]

The recommended age for players to take part in this game is 12 year +

The legal age to take part in a lottery is 18 year + in my country and many other countries.

Therefore it is not even legal for your company to host these types of events as your game has children as young as 12 years old taking part in them.

[silent sigil]

What does it say?

[old crescent]

I agree with this and the rest of your translated post. The probability doesnt even make sense either really, I have spun over the likely output number of spins around 10 times and not been awarded based on probable outcome.

The game has turned into a 100% money grab, they are taking away rewards even from spenders, for example AL and treasure hunt used to have extra rewards for set purchase amount but now it is tied into the dumb cat event so despite having completed the 18k purchase points we do not get further rewarded for consistent spending. Not to mention the increased cost to reward ratio in AL where 5x 500 purchase points generate the same amount of personal points that 4x 500 used to, same as the 10k and 50k option, they used to be 8k and 30k.

It honestly feels like they are trying to turn us off the game.

Ps. If the roulette wheels were really a lottery you would see new f2p accounts running around with the March skins but we all know this never happens

[slate mist]

Y’all how I go into a different group I am new a bit…

[quasi meteor]

If you got the game from playstore or appstore, and it says 12+ years, then this is allowed in your country.

The company is not supposed to remove content just because it might be forbidden in some countries.

If your country forbids gambling all together, then they need to restrict or block the game.

For me it says game is 16+ by german+EU Law and already incluseds random paid loot.

If the app in your country says 12+. It is already allowed.
If you think it isnt allowed, you need to talk to your Governance or the app platforms to reevaluate the game.

.
Gambling Laws and how they apply to games is complicated and you need to read all the small prints in the rules of your country.

If a law says gambling is forbidden, that doesnt mean they see this certain mechanic as gambling.

[torpid mortar]

And 12 years old never be able to have money to do 800 spins that mostly like old man 👴

[quasi meteor]

.
IGG is making a game and publishes on those app distributing platforms as per what those platforms have as rules.

Then the platforms or governments need to restrict it in countries where some or all mechanics are not allowed.

In this case IGG is not liable.

I asked my lawyer.

🤣

[potent grotto]

"Scary content" I guess they mean the cost of upgrading?

[lusty token]

If the roulette weren't rigged, minimum 209 people should have gotten the cat on the first free spin, but that's just math.

This is just going off of 50 active accounts in 2200 alliances registering for events. There are some of those accounts not even rolling and plenty who aren't playing events.

[potent verge]

What happened to Back Alley Doctor? It is gone?

[snow elk]

wtf is with Doctor event? Why did it end?!

[knotty seal]

The Doctor event has now disappeared without a trace.

It must be returned again. We did not finish the Boss

[candid moon]

NOT YET DONE WITH PROWLERS BUT THE EVENT ALREADY GONE,..LOL

[hollow edge]

Where is Bosses of Doc Alley event?

[daring spire]

Where is the doctor event

[candid moon]

The app updated..lol

[stuck karma]

😆

[hollow edge]

🤧🤧

[stuck karma]

Can't find my bosses lol

[lethal jackal]

IGG do the IGG thing again

always mess up something for no reason

if it doesnt make enough money for us, we will screw it up

[fiery dust]

Why has back ally doctor disappeared before we could summon them

[lethal jackal]

usual IGG screwing up

dont worry we will get resource pack later in exchange

[stuck karma]

🥲

[hollow edge]

Yeah, gold frags and speed ups...

[stuck karma]

[fiery dust]

This is a bloody joke every other week there's another way to screw us over then we don't even get compensated fairly

[hardy sky]

SPEED UP event has disappeared too.

[lusty token]

What is SPEED UP event?

[hardy sky]

Use accerlaterations to rank for prize... any speed ups

Dinosaur town skin was top 10 prize pool. Riders buff

Its gone

[lusty token]

Ohh, one of those ones in other regions. I understand. What was the name of it?

[hardy sky]

It was called Speed Up

So I count 2 events they poofed!

[hardy sky]

We still had 3 days left on it. Everyone on my server complains

[lusty token]

I've added that to the report about events gone missing.

[hardy sky]

Thank you!

[lavish bronze]

It's not rigged. It just doesn't work like a real roulette would. In the lower right corner, you can click on "probability" and see what the probability for each item is. For the cat (captain meow), it's 0.19%.

[lusty token]

Yes. That's where I got my 209 figure. 0.19% of 110000 (2200 alliances with 50 active members) is 209.

However, I have still never heard of anybody ever getting a skin on a free spin.

Or anything less than hundreds, for that matter.

[dusty venture]

I wish there's a shrine to get some stamina for free

[sly dew]

IGGGGGGG BRING BACK THE DOCTORS

IF YOU WILL COMPENSATE US, MAKE SURE NOT TO GIVE US RESOURCE PACK🤣🤣

[lean hinge]

Desparecieron los zombiez medicos... aun no los termine... mi alianza perdio muchas de las recompensas... estoy incomforme con eso.

[patent fractal]

Qué paso con el evento del médico del callejon (Backalley), tío Doomsday? Justo íbamos a invocarlos y ZAZ!! Desaparecieron!! Restauren el evento o dénnos una compensación acorde al evento

[strange dagger]

Se borró a todos , perdimos mucho mucho

[mystic jackal]

Moooods

Remove the scam

[mystic jackal]

.

[rough pulsar]

Guys, any one disappeared their dr alley monsters?

[lethal jackal]

its not rigged but to have access to certain prizes you need to spend a certain amount of money, which i assume wont be little

so unless you spend dont expect getting the best reward

[faint dome]

And that's a lie. It's 0%. You can get it just after Paying Money!!!

[normal lily]

The IGG intern messed up again.....can't they hire competent employees with all the money the players are giving?

[sly rivet]

Yes, same here in server 667 no one have acces

To the back alley

[compact inlet]

gone everywhere

[dawn fog]

Where are those beast origin and the prowler gone?

[silent sigil]

Everywhere... He died

[sly rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-27299608

[normal lily]

another igg stupidity

[vapid oracle]

Yes

[wind bobcat]

#bringbackdoctor

[hot loom]

Where is doctor event gone?😒

[lethal jackal]

"sorry we dont have time to fix the game, too busy planning for $400 skins"

[normal lily]

skin refuge 900 dollars minimum

[broken horizon]

With a 1% boost to a stat that's already over boosted

Might as well hell we got turtles, ducks, bears, puss n boots... what's next probably some cheese eating mouse

If it has nothing to do with the theme of the game it's 100% getting added lol

[lethal jackal]

other P2W games that i know usually have a ceiling how big the power gap can be to keep players playing, but not this game

whales are getting fatter and the gap is getting bigger, IGG only cares how much money they can milk out of players until the game shut down

i believe we are still using the same old map without any updates too.. which is sad

every event is also similar, its always roulettes

[broken horizon]

Roulette is garbage too... they will tell you it's by chance but practically give you no chance unless you spend 600 dollars

[lethal jackal]

yes, we all know about it but IGG dont care because people keep buying their trash and it wont change unless people stop buying

look at Genesis , we have been complaining since day 1 and some alliances even stopped playing it for a while, yet we still get the same reward i believe..

[broken horizon]

My alliance doesn't participate in GW anymore

No point

[lethal jackal]

it wont change anything as long as they have 2200 alliances participating

IGG top brass are some people that dont deserve to walk on this earth , f*cking greedy

[agile harbor]

I also recommended a power cap and the devs aren't stupid they are trying as well to convince the marketing teams and other internal teams to stop the bleeding. Obviously igg knows what is happening is bad for the community and as much as they want to keep feeding the whales they know it will ruin the game long term so they will have to cap the power soon either by restricting might to battlefield or limiting purchases of certain items etc

[lethal jackal]

At this point, IGG knew the game is dying. I dont think they mind though.

They are just dont want to pull the plug as long as they get the money

I dont think the game receive any sugnificant update / change

Beast and vehicle are just another reskin of armament system. War Event is also always the same. Etc. Every celebration event is also the same, using roulette and the same zombie bosses

There is almost no buff / nerf

[raw talon]

[lofty spear]

I don't mind it

[neon fern]

i like how the compensation for canceling the back alley is less than the event is worth

[lusty token]

Of course it is. Like when everybody gets their hospital filled + tons dead, the compensation was 200 gems and an hour of training.

No idea why they couldn't just turn the event back on

[full sierra]

Probably deleted everyone's progress and don't want people to finish it twice

[lusty token]

They should have thought about that before ending the event. It shouldn't be our problem.

[full sierra]

Idk how they ended up deleting an event or why

[lusty token]

I'm wondering if they plan on just getting rid of doctor and didn't think to check if it was going on now or not.

Since it's removed from the event page in general, not even shown as if it has passed

[serene arch]

shh they'll hear you 🫠

[lusty token]

That's a silly idea

[wind bobcat]

If they deleted progress, how are they going to give compensation to those who couldn't finish

[graceful vessel]

For the Anniversary Tech Tour you cant get the second shelter skin unless you buy the 10 dollars pack that gives 315 nanochips + one more pack for the rest of 20 chips, no? In past events you could get both shelter skin buying the 10 dollars pack. In last event they gave a gift code that granted the remaining 20 items to buy the second skin. In this one it seems they dont give any gift code for that...

[full sierra]

Is there more?
I thought they're just giving the 1 frag to everyone

[lusty token]

The mail claims they will give more to some people who didn't finish

[full sierra]

🤔

[neon fern]

probably just finish the regular prowlers though. we were about to do the pursuit this afternoon but missed out

[wind holly]

This is just bs they arent going to spend any time or money figuring out who had what progress

[lusty token]

Or they might only compensate the players who specifically ask several times, like they did when a bunch of people got wiped out during the server crashes.

[tulip prawn]

They dont even give us back the stamina we spend ...so much stamina,no kill drops from zombies ...excellent work...

[lofty spear]

Oh no 1000 stamina lost

[lusty token]

For pre-battle center 25 players, it is really a big annoyance worth of stamina used for doctor stuff.

[agile harbor]

The skin is a distraction, for 10$ investment you get 5 superb frags which are worth a lot more in power than the base skin

[quiet sundial]

Game developer please make more thrilling events. Create war event that can f the whole region or legion players. This will create the thrill and excitement. That is how human psychologic works the more thrilling the more addictive

[night jungle]

315 nano chips aren't 5 superb

That's 2

[silent sigil]

It is heart skin ... Perfect for your role play

[prisma nymph]

sorry guys i was doing dr alley and collected 40 zombi level A so i was expecting 10 hero pieces. Now the event has crushed and i lost the 10 pieces after all the work? who can i contact to have game support?

[quasi meteor]

As I understand it, that train is long gone.

They said there was an error and gave everyone 1 fragment, but since all got it, it makes the ones who experienced the bug still behind.

I wouldnt expect something else to happen, but you can try to msg in game support.

[zealous flame]

I messaged them on the day and they said that anyone that didn’t get the rewards would be compensated at a later date. I don’t have much faith though

[lusty token]

If they were able to figure that out, they would have been able to just turn the event back on and extend it for 24 hours.

[full sierra]

I think they have logs for the system mail with the finish rewards.
Probably outsourcing a script to find and give the rewards

[lusty token]

If they do that, they probably disregard the bosses.

I'm kind of thinking it will be "do nothing unless somebody specifically complains still in a week"

[full sierra]

So what they did with the ir shop not detecting elite pack purchase?

[peak willow]

<@&907242558374174750>

[fierce jetty]

What about the previous progress? 👀

[worthy obsidian]

@graceful vessel spanish

[analog heath]

Please help me with this

I can buy with gold

Anyone know that

I purchase 500 gold for this

What happened i can't bye white gold

[analog heath]

No one help me

[bleak wren]

Do you have 500 gold?

[analog heath]

Yes

I bye this pack

It's not purchase gold so i can't by yeat

[peak lark]

Make sure you have enough gold- it will default to your currency payment without enough

[analog heath]

What

Can I reinstall gome

[peak lark]

Here, come to #☕┊en-general-chat or something lol
This is for feedback not tech support

[unique veldt]

Do you know what RM4 is? People.

[celest mango]

Anyone else not getting boxes to finish the anniversary tech?

[lusty token]

The event ended to collect them

[river peak]

Can someone provide off topic

Death mod

[silver stag]

TOP, I'm almost there, just those last three are about 300 days right? 50 days of T6, 350 days.... omy wa, long time..

[lethal jackal]

the game is very slow to respond to every command issued, like clicking a button or claiming reward / opening menu. It has been like this for more than few days now

i am not sure if its connection issue since only this game having this problem

[lusty token]

I've been noticing that too, off and on. I wonder if it's residual from when the internet as a whole broke on Thursday.

[quasi meteor]

I noticed that before I could have the game in background on phone for like 20 sec before it reloads.

Now when I have it in background for 4 seconds it already reloads

[keen ledge]

I spun that stupid wheel around 500 times for booted tabby. Don’t even know how much I spent! And still didn’t end up with crap!

[granite quarry]

I heard 800 spins you get kat

[quasi meteor]

You are not the only one. 😭

[high quiver]

yeah give them more irresponsible spending - im sure they will finally realize how bad they are, shamelessly shaving all the sheeps

[subtle jolt]

Ok

[agile harbor]

Well said we need more people like you here to talk some sense into irresponsible spenders who frequent the game

[lofty spear]

https://tenor.com/view/minions-popcorn-lol-gif-11219194

[quasi wing]

I dont think you realize how rich some people are. In their eyes they have spent pennies.

[zealous flame]

He thinks most/all whales are in massive amounts of debt

[full sierra]

obviously anyone can get a loan for $500k to spend on video games

[agile harbor]

Rich people don't play videos games to be honest

Rich people are rich because they are making money. Grinding.. slaving away for the $..why would they waste time, hours of their day on a mobile game designed to steal $ from the masses.

[quasi wing]

I dont know. You could ask one of the many whales in the game why they play

[agile harbor]

I am asking you for your opinion.. spending irresponsible is a sign of financial illiteracy

Do you think a person who grinded for their money real wealth you think they would have the sense to spend $5000 on a video game pixel that gives a temporary boost and has no residual value

[quasi wing]

Why consult a secondary source when you can have a primary source?

[agile harbor]

No of course not..doesn't matter how rich you are, you still made sensible decisions

[lusty token]

Rich people do whatever they want to do. Your world takes are always complete nonsense assumptions.

[agile harbor]

One way I explained it to others is that the so called whales in this game aren't really rich at all and actually people who spend alot do so out of poor financial standing and poor financial decisions

[quasi wing]

Yes, I mean people spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on watches that do the same thing as a cheap Casio watch

[agile harbor]

My explanation is they are actually middle class people who spend above their means and are being mislead by marketing

They are spending out of debt and credit cards they actually don't have disposable income

No way you can convince your self or me someone is spending 5000$ willingly on a skin.

[quasi wing]

Yes, they do it willingly. Are you blind? Have you not seeing the skin brackets?

If you are poor just say it. No shame in it

[lusty token]

People buy multi-million dollar yachts and don't even have evil doomsday meetings on them too. Huge waste of money.

[quasi wing]

People buy imaginary digital money

[full sierra]

People buy nfts

[worldly stone]

This is the stupidest thing I heard today

[full sierra]

if you make just 500k a year you could be a billionaire in just 2000 years

Obviously they're rich from working long hours for millennia

[agile harbor]

They are spending money they don't have and blowing through credit cards and going behind spouses backs to spend..people are blinded by wealth thinking it's real rich ppl

News flash rich pl are sitting on their phones playing games..how do you think they got rich ? If people could play games and get rich everyone would be doing just that

[worldly stone]

By having rich parents maybe?

[full sierra]

Traditional ways to inherit it.
Otherwise corruption and exploitation work fine

[quasi wing]

Self made wealth is an anomaly. Most wealthy people are born into a wealthy family.

Most people will stay in the same socioeconomic bracket they were born in

[quasi wing]

Yes, they are playing games

[agile harbor]

Okay but the families control the money that flows to their kids

Most wealthy families restrict funds for this exact reason they give limited spending to the kid and expect them to work and go to school..if the family finds out the kid is spending money on a game that's both shameful and an insult to the family donain

Spending generational wealth on video games is noble? Right.

[full sierra]

How many millions is that limited spending?

[agile harbor]

Its not millions not even close.
Parents know what kids spend money on they don't give money for nothing

[lusty token]

Slim, sometimes I think you've never been out around other humans and you just make up what they're like.

[agile harbor]

I visited a ton of major cities in USA and Canada.. new york Chicago la Toronto.. no one there is spending money on mobile gaming en mass

Western cultures don't see mobile gaming as a prize

[full sierra]

🤣 go to a college town and count the Lamborghinis rich parents buy their kids

[silent sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/everything-is-fine-everything-is-ok-fine-okay-everything-is-okay-gif-8096560573170242651

[full sierra]

are they wasting money on even more expensive things?

[agile harbor]

There will always be rich parents and a few lambos per city but it doesn't mean those exact kids are playing mobile games..its shameful to be playing a mobile game tho like imagine you are rich as you say and you can get girls..so you invite a hot girl you met on hinge to your house and what you are sitting on a couch playing a phone game?

She be like wtf you doing thats lame

[lusty token]

Visiting some cities is not a qualification to generalize the world's spending habits.

[silent sigil]

some guys have a hummer as their first car ... In Europe

[full sierra]

where can you even go with one.
Doesn't fit in half the roads

[agile harbor]

Even IF you are a kid and you are spending (wasting) parents money on a video game addiction..this behavior isn't note worthy or should be celebrated.. they arent helping the economy or furthering their families name

This behavior is sad and up to the community to frown upon

[full sierra]

Who's celebrating it? It's just a hobby.

[lusty token]

What makes this even funnier is the part where Slim has spent more than 95%+ of the people who play this game.

[full sierra]

Technically any spending helps the economy though, it's saving wealth that's bad for the economy

[lusty token]

I just noticed this is the feedback channel. This conversation is more suited for #🍬┊off-topic

[silent sigil]

I swear... in my university a guy had one... Tantrum because he was good at school... Another one lived in an old caravan in the parking lot...

[full sierra]

Aren't you in the EU?
You guys have homeless in cars too?

[silent sigil]

We don't celebrate it exists... And we know it... A person who has a salary of 20k per month doesn't spend like someone with 2k
You talk like if 1000dollar is always a big deal for some people it's nothing

[silent sigil]

Some are on the budget specially during the studies I'm french and did my studies in Belgium so it was poor people with talent or rich dumb refused in all the french schools... I never met real rich people somewhere else tbh

The gap was ridiculous and funny... Not the same culture at all, Slim needs to meet real rich people

20k is not a lot tho.. an example I guess at 20yo their parents gifted them 3or5k per month easily

[torpid mortar]

Give me 20k if it is not alot

[agile harbor]

Maybe and that's a lot..but who spends ALL of that on a hobby? See how it doesn't affect up..hobbies are like 5% of your total spend on average

[torpid mortar]

wanne see something ?

[silent sigil]

The value of money varies depending on how easy it is to obtain

[lusty token]

citation needed

[torpid mortar]

Those red numbers are USD

[torpid mortar]

Throw on my face

[silent sigil]

Many players have not a lot of other pastime they can put more than your 5% and still saving money

That's crazy how you are projecting your life on others @agile harbor

Talk to a therapist once

[full sierra]

So if a billionaire spends a million a year then 50k a years on games is fine?

[full sierra]

poor slim goes into debt on video games then complains about the rich

[lofty spear]

Ive spent 0$ on kids college and 2000$ on this game

[full sierra]

Your kids didn't go to college? Or are you in one of those free college counties

[lofty spear]

I don't have kids

Therefore i spent 0$ on my kids college

[silent sigil]

Not yet

I can't wait to see Slim trying to sell his account 2k

[solemn shale]

Slim again telling us how to spend our money? Glad i missed that chat.

[lusty token]

Slightly different, actually. He's telling us how other people do spend their money, factually for sure definitely.

[torpid mortar]

Why you rich ?

[full sierra]

Your rich not me

[agile harbor]

Your income or allowance you have from your parents is weighted heavily into your life style..so your rent, car, daily food, clothing, trips, bottle service etc will absorb a huge % of your day to day month to month operations

You won't have a kid spending $5000 a month on a game IF his entire allowance is $10,000 a month

That 10k had to pay for car rent food etc sorry that's not enough.. at most people spend a fraction of their monthly budget on hobbies

NO one has a monthly budget of 100,000$ usd a month because at 5% for hobbies that's 5k a month to afford a skin

You been made to believe a lie that people have this income as "disposable" its not disposable Its borrowed its money theu don't have they are over committing over spending to fuel an addiction

And as a community its up to each person to fight against spenders like this its ruining their lives

[silent sigil]

First don't say "yours" I'm not talking about myself here

[lusty token]

bottle service listed under expenses.

Slim, what you're doing right now is arguing against a reality you can see directly with this game alone.

[agile harbor]

You talking about rich kids right? Most of their money is tied into social gathering and clubbing..Miami La new york any major city

[lusty token]

Life isn't a movie. I shouldn't have to say this.

[agile harbor]

I am trying to rationalize what I am seeing in the game as to make it make sense for everyone else

[silent sigil]

No... A skin is around 500usd.. I knew people who spent easily 1 or 2k per month because as a couple they had something like 8k

[lusty token]

Okay, you're wording it as "This is how things are" rather than, "I thought this was how things are, why is it different?"

[agile harbor]

WhO whoo would spend 2k of their total monthly 8k income on a game

[lusty token]

Also, this is still not feedback. #🍬┊off-topic

[silent sigil]

I give examples ... Nobody is the same and you are not the center of the world

[agile harbor]

THIS is my point..poor financial literacy.. over spending.. terrible choices.. 20% of monthly net take on a video game wtf

This is destructive behavior

[lusty token]

Cool. Take it to #🍬┊off-topic

[red kestrel]

Please add some kind of wallpaper for profiles. I’d like my vehicle to have a nice background at the beach or something.

I wouldn’t even mind if it’s in front of a desolate area but help us liven up our profiles.

I’d also like to request status messages for the next version.

[full sierra]

Status of what

[main turtle]

You do know most players that play this game are adults right?

[silent sigil]

If you spend more than 5% of your income in the game he will come for you

Better buy crack, pay escorts or Italian shoes i imagine

[main turtle]

Yeah a 100 or 1k isn’t the same for everyone

[night jungle]

Well you're just wrong alot of people are more wealthy than you, stop projecting you sound like a baby

[red kestrel]

Can we have a feature that allows us to share gems 💎

[tough cove]

You are wrong. If your monthly allowance is $10k, then you can spend $5k a month and that will be 50% of your total allowance and thats ok.
If your monthly allowance is $2k, then one cannot spend $1k a month on a video game (technically can, but its stupid), because you cant survive on $1k a month in most counties. Realistic number would be $100 tops

[tough cove]

your perception that 5% on hobbies is wrong. % depends on your disposable income

% spent to each category changes depending on the disposable income, because as ones salary grows, it doesnt really drive other costs as high.

Imagine your family income is $6k a month, you spent about $5k on current needs: rent, car, food, clothes and you have max of $500 for entertainment and extra $500 for saving/credit.

Now in the same case, imagine same family moves up the job market and now they are earning $12k a month. They now eat better, have a bigger house, have a newer car, so now they spent $8k on their living (rent, car, food), but after these necessary spendings, they have extra $4k a month. they can save $2k month, and $2k are left for entertainment

thats basics of family budget, idk why it has to be explained

[peak lark]

imagine having 2k after food for kids 🥹 😭

[tough cove]

with $8k spent on a living I would imagine kid expenses would be included tho

[peak lark]

oh i just meant generally haha, we are not rocking that much to float around on 😆 😭
Times are hard haha

[agile harbor]

Nah i am not wrong..no one is spending 50% of their allowance on a hobby that allocation isn't responsible

[night jungle]

You clearly dont read but that's okay

[agile harbor]

Whatttt..lol? As your salary grows so does your expenses..its called life style creep..Google it

The more you make the more you spend

[night jungle]

Uh no that's not everyone that's only if you're making yourself speed more if I got a good house I dont need a better one lmao

That's mindset

[hybrid wraith]

The Notification dot on Wasteland Journey, Safety Camp should Disappear if You Skip, Confuses you if team mates need help!

[tough cove]

Did you even read an example I made for you?

You want to say that your salary grows x2 and your expenses grow x2 too? Well, this have nothing to do with how people live their life, I’m sorry to disappoint

[zealous flame]

Your expenses only go up if you choose for them to.

[agile harbor]

Your expenses go up because your income goes up

[agile harbor]

Budget wise it makes sense..entertainment as a category can be higher than 5% of course as high as 20% for sure

However entertainment IS a big bucket its not just mobile

Its sports events, concerts, comedy shows, trips to Vegas, movies, ice skating, bowling dates, trips on the boat, yoga classes, paddle boating, skiing or snow boarding etc

[night jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-stupidity-stupid-gif-22567774

[agile harbor]

Not to mention dancing, bottle service, going with friends, paying for friends or family, gifts for wife/girlfriend etc

Mobile gaming is a tiny % of a monthly budget

So to see someone drop 5$k on a skin shows complete inadaptitude for financial literacy

[night jungle]

not everyone does all that why are you yapping

[agile harbor]

Take your pick from those things its called living life

[night jungle]

you clearly dont even read what people write

[night jungle]

and some people prefer to play games and not do the above

its called living YOUR life not projecting yours onto others

you're the one complaining about how people live their lives on discord, kinda crazy to be talking about "living life"

[agile harbor]

I mean those people who don't do social activities are sitting on their phones are called out nerds losers etc

Thse pll aren't creme of society they shouldn't be celebrated so why aspire to be like them

[night jungle]

you sound like the loser sitting on discord crying about people having more money to spend than you

[agile harbor]

They aren't cool so don't put them on a pedestal

[night jungle]

nobody said to aspire to be like them, you're just mental

[night jungle]

you're just spewing random sht now lmao

[agile harbor]

By defending them you are aspiring

[night jungle]

people just tell you to stop projecting

[night jungle]

no its telling you to stop crying about how people live their lives

if people want to spend their money thats their choice clearly they're more finacnailly stable than you

you're just a "loser" as you said above crying about people spending their money on a game because you cant

[tough cove]

you are saying they are insane, we are saying they just have a better financials. nothing more

[agile harbor]

I am arguing they actually have worse Financials

[night jungle]

meanwhile sitting on his phone crying about people spending money

[agile harbor]

They are spending poorly making bad choices and it's the only logical explanation

[night jungle]

or they have far more money than you

so they can spend your income like their pocket change

[agile harbor]

Even if you were rich your common sense won't change

You can have money and choose not to spend beyond a certain threshold using common sense

[night jungle]

if you are rich and you're willing to spend thousands on drugs, parties etc, its all the same lmao

just stop crying dude

you sound like a baby

same guy who said to spend your money on hookas btw

🤣

[tough cove]

This is true that some people may put more money in the game than they should, but just as with any other entertainment (e.g. betting), this happens, but thats a minority. Other people *just * have better financials.

Example I just gave you is a textbook model for average consumer spending, you can like or dislike it, but thats how it is in the reality, e.g. many consumer-focused businesses base their business models on these assumptions and mostly they are proven right.

If you read carefully an example which I gave you, you will see that it will cover things that you mention, like adding extra expenses when one's salary go up, definitely including stuff other than games, but its just so happens that cost of living do not increase at the same pace with the growth of salaries.

That said, I have nothing more to add to what I said above, so unless you have anything substantial to add, other than "Your expenses go up because your income goes up", I'll stop replying

[tough cove]

hookahs are very popular in dubai btw, i guess because alcohol is banned 🤣

[zealous flame]

That's just not how it works, you don't just make more money and then instantly your day to day expenses go up. Peoples expenses go up because they have more money available to spend... it's a choice. They can just as easily choose stay in the same place as before and eat the same food, drive the same car etc.

[tough cove]

being rich means you can spend more money than its needed and to things which are completely unnecessary in life but you will still be rich after that. Thats why its so good to be rich

[zealous flame]

I also don't think you should be aspiring to be "dancing, bottle service, going with friends, paying for friends" the first two are degenerates and the second seems to be taken advantage of by their friends.

People that spend money on bottle service and dancing are definitely bigger losers than people that stay in and game. Grow up you'd do that in your early 20's to try to flex.

[tough cove]

What do u have against dancing tho?
My father in law in his 64 is doing dancing classes for the last 10 years, a lot of fun he said

wait, don tell me that he is flexing in front of 20yo girls with that. what a creep then 💀

[zealous flame]

I was talking about dancing as in going out to the club dancing. Not like dancing classes etc 🤣

[tough cove]

The fact that I didnt think about club dancing tells a lot about me then, I guess

[zealous flame]

It’s honestly like Slim has just discovered Jersey Shore and thinks we should all aspire to be like them hitting up Club Karma 3 times a week

[marble patio]

[sharp hollow]

🧐🧐

[quasi wing]

@agile harbor a warhammer books that cost $10 USD is selling for $500 should I buy it?

Please guide me with your divine wisdom 🙏

[agile harbor]

Whats the sense in that purchase

[quasi wing]

Your answer?

[quasi wing]

This is the best one 😂

[torpid mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-back-here-jessica-davis-alisha-boe-13reasons-why-surprised-to-see-you-gif-17611122

[torpid mortar]

I told everyone noble and pande married than pande sign for divorce because noble’s cant stand up ! And pande won nobles account in alimony

@night jungle

[quasi wing]

Shouldn't you be avoiding missiles?

[torpid mortar]

I am not in iran

https://tenor.com/view/urbanmech-mechwarrior-battletech-mech-missile-gif-21451876

[full sierra]

or you can save more money?
Maybe buy some stocks

[agile harbor]

When you making money the instinct is not to save the reason you made money in the first place is because you are hungry for it

People who are hungry for money need money, money is for spending

[lusty token]

#🍬┊off-topic

[abstract swallow]

Pokémon cards are great for investments

[torpid mortar]

Dls is great for investment

[abstract swallow]

DLS didn't get payment this month it went on a PSA 10 zard

[bleak wren]

Which one did u get charmander one?

[abstract swallow]

Charizard ex 151 alt art 199/165 special illustration

[bleak wren]

Ok imma send u my address will u mail it ?

[abstract swallow]

Okay, I'll send acc and sort code also for that 1k, what's addy again?

[full sierra]

Are you a pokemon scalper

[grizzled halo]

If u see this guy it's not me he's using my pictures

[abstract swallow]

Collector, but occasionally opportunities arise and obviously I take advantage for the flip

[main turtle]

The new Pompeii ranking is nice

[full sierra]

What's new?

[main turtle]

It’s something small but it’s nice to see everyone ranking including the other alliance

[lusty token]

Has it not been that way?

[full sierra]

Was it just points before? I didn't really look

[main turtle]

If it has I never noticed until today

I know it showed who score the highest before of each thing but I guess I never noticed the ranking from everyone

[keen panther]

It's been there

[quasi meteor]

Its been like that for a while, dont remember how long tho

[silent sigil]

lol it exist for month maybe since the beginning

[lusty token]

No links

[muted beacon]

To calculate the expected number of spins needed to win the Nebula Horn squad skin with a 0.17% chance of winning per spin, we can use the formula for the expected value of a geometric distribution. The probability of success ( p ) is 0.17% or 0.0017.

The expected number of trials (spins) until the first success is given by:

[
E[X] = \frac{1}{p}
]

Substituting the probability:

[
E[X] = \frac{1}{0.0017} \approx 588.24
]

Since you can't have a fraction of a spin, we round up to the nearest whole number.

Answer: Approximately 589 spins are needed, on average, to achieve a win with a 0.17% chance per spin.

£700 pounds 🫣

[high quiver]

its a bit lower than that as chances go up after some spins without success ... but i sould still expect $500 to have a chance at it

or rather 'chance' - i suspect its all hardcoded to not allow 'win' at all untill you spend at least 300$ and then chance is really slim and rise up to the point you actially get it

[muted beacon]

It’s a scam simple as that.

[high quiver]

yup

[lusty token]

Interestingly, 100/0.17 gives the same results.

[potent grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/doug-maclean-nhl-hockey-stats-statistics-gif-13408391465163304912

[quasi meteor]

It is not a scam unless they fake numbers.

Thats not what a scam is.

Just overpriced digital pictures. 🤣

[maiden crown]

You can clear the roulette by buying all the packs, unlike the meow skin which is not guaranteed

[lusty token]

There are hundreds of thousands of players and at 0.17% a good chunk would get a skin on a free spin. As far as I know, that has never happened on any roulette.

[full sierra]

After several thousand the odds of no one getting it 1st spin is pretty much 0

[worldly stone]

Which is exactly why I'm confident you only have a real chance at the skin after a predetermined amount of spins

Probably ridiculously high as well

A bit disgusting if you ask me

[agile harbor]

Lol what? You are a girl right.. math?

Since when does this game needed formulas and math its not that deep..lol geometry calculus stats all the things People hated in school

[worldly stone]

You are so clueless it's funny

[agile harbor]

Nah i am just a real player who uses raw talent not math to do well

I haven't used math in this game at all and wouldn't use it and anyone who is that person is trying too hard

Its a game, don't take it so seriously

[worldly stone]

You inspire me 🥹

[agile harbor]

Thank you i feel great hearing that

[worldly stone]

😅

[agile harbor]

The essence is to go off gut instinct and feel out what feels good in damage or beasts- you go out and trial and error in thr field rally by feeling not by math

Its why in all the space movies when the space shuttle lands the computer says "it's an impossible landing" and the pilot says over ride to manual

Why? Because the pilot can use instinct and talent to land the shuttle NOT math

That pilot IS the true hero. Like me.

[zealous flame]

Every time I open this discord this guy is just posting trash

[fleet jacinth]

อะไรกันนิ

[lusty token]

Chill.

[full sierra]

[quasi meteor]

I personally have seen it happen, or at least was told that the person got it with a f2p account.

But in the end its RNG and that can always looked ricked if something highly likely doesnt happen or something highly unlikely happens in a row

[lusty token]

Such as everybody getting the 30 orange fragments every time in bio frenzy

[worldly stone]

You can't convince me this is all coincidence

There's too much of the same stuff with only one explanation

[quasi meteor]

Well in the end we cant proof either.

What Dill mentioned is definitely something fishy.

Otherwise the majority of the player base is not on this discord and even those that are, dont talk and only read.

So we cant really say if there were not f2p players who got it on f2p etc.

.
I live by the simple rule of, innocent until proven otherwise and so far I havent seen proof that it is a scam.

[full sierra]

Well we supposedly have over 300k players here.
So you'd expect at some point someone should've bragged about a free skin.

[quasi meteor]

Which happened already to someone in my old alliance. 🤣

He got a squad skin f2p

[full sierra]

Where's mine

[quasi meteor]

But lets move this to off topic or english chat
I sense Ari being angry at me

[worldly stone]

Usually I'm like this too but this is all too "coincidental". The 100 blueprint reward from one of the previous roulettes too which was predetermined everyone had to get it

It all adds up and never gets proven of the opposite

Maybe there are some chances involved but it's never fully random chance based with the numbers they give us. That's impossible

[quasi meteor]

I replied to you in the right channel. 🫡

[mystic jackal]

Is there a reason why the Admin Team thinks it's a good decision to leave people calling themselfs "Administrator" and "moderator" on a spamm rampage for over 3 weeks now?
Just curious really

Feels like denying names that imply they belong to the team to scam people in particular should be an easy thing. But what do I know

@azure osprey @frozen blade @vivid oriole

[potent grotto]

Probably more chance of getting those "rewards" than a skin on roulette

[torpid mortar]

They need to increase pace between off limit exploration 🤣 its happening every other week now man

[mystic jackal]

That's for sure 😁

[keen ledge]

Yeah but that’s BS! If it’s all supposed to be left to chance!

Omg rich people don’t play video games! That’s the dumbest assumption I’ve ever heard!

[pulsar torrent]

Will we ever see a proper PC client or will we continue to play on a bad emulator?

"Finger" 🫠

[broken topaz]

for the next all stars event, does it count if I downgrade the vehicle workshop so I get the points for upgrading it again?

[lusty token]

No. It is max historic might.

[solemn shale]

Gotta love this game.

[lusty token]

It probably saw you already have 3390 metal and decided you have enough.

[solemn shale]

They know if i want to finish it, i need to buy a pack. Its 98 of high carbon if i buy pack. 😒

[abstract swallow]

Get rid of the wasteland chat, annoying and not needed

[main turtle]

Just go to group in your chat setting and delete

[quasi meteor]

They should remove auto joining chats in general.

I dont wanna go into a Bounty Ground, Water War, Wasteland or any other kind of useless chat every time.

Even english chat etc. Remove the auto join.

Give a small button in chat that you can press and choose which channels to join.

So I can join my friends in certain channels or join other languages I speak without having to switch entire game to that language

[mighty tundra]

(Islands)This time's matchmaking is absolutely ridiculous and unfair.
Our alliance registered with 3.5 billion might, yet we were matched against alliances with 7 billion and even 8 billion power. How can this kind of matchmaking be justified?

It clearly shows the imbalance and lack of fairness in the system. Such mismatches make it obvious how poorly designed and biased the matchmaking algorithm is. This is deeply disappointing and reflects negatively on IGG’s approach to maintaining competitive balance in the game.

[sharp hollow]

It's called bad luck

[lusty token]

Oh I see the thing. It's not necessarily the alliance might but their highest is 200m and the people sitting next to them have a 450m and several over 200s

[bleak wren]

What a stupid fki ng matching it seems you guys using primary school students to write the algorithms such as shame

[ocean mural]

my IR they got scared of the biggest looking alliance that 5 allied with them

they're not strong, just old players with less than 50m kills 🤣

[silent sigil]

[edgy pawn]

Que pasa con los emparejamientos de la isla nosotros tenemos 3 billones de poder y nos tocan alianzas con 8 billones alianzas con 4 o más jugadores con más de 200 millones de poder es absurdo

[simple yarrow]

please do not include beast on constructing or gather from RSS Center

[crisp kettle]

#BringbackZvirus adventure and bring back Liam face

[torpid mortar]

Really 5 are allied to themself ?

[frozen monolith]

Stupid game. Can you upgrade your server before adding so many cash event. Can't even play the stupid event when lagging and you keep asking for more money

[granite tundra]

Good🧭

[abstract swallow]

Yes

[chilly flint]

@silent sigil тебя сожгли

[junior bronze]

Unisciti a una squadra di tre per ottenere ricompense in Triade in viaggio! Il mio codice di invito: 566346; evento: https://dls.igg.com/event/teamup/?code=566346

[little pine]

😑fixed ir bug

[exotic garnet]

[south rose]

Matching event gak jelas,sering down server nya,makin nge lag di hp saya

[torpid umbra]

I am looking for members for my new alliance

[little yew]

IR matchmaking works very well for us compared to AR / GW ive noticed in general things are much more even / realistic generally. We take a lot of 'smaller' guys and it doesnt tend to punish us so badly for daring to have a more organic alliance like GW does.

[sharp hollow]

#1106157611595870289

[lusty token]

I think part of what makes IR matching seem better sometimes is allowing selective registration like a sane event should.

[little yew]

We manually clear our list every time, for us, in GW we tend to get really bad matches with the structure of our alliance, we still do ok but our win rate is much lower than IR

[lusty token]

We do too but with the 50 shelter requirement, we always have to take some people that aren't going to play.

[ocean mural]

yes

[lusty token]

yes

[little yew]

We generally have that many willing players but like I said the issue with GW is that it weights those smaller players too heavily. Kinda like the matchmaking for Pomeii where it will weight the number of troops very heavily over the actual stats of the players

[lusty token]

I think IR still overall matches pretty poorly. We have 4 alliances that are decently matched and the other 4 should be on a totally separate island.

[little yew]

Lol I dont know about correctly it just works out ok for the structure of our team compared to others

We have been the strongest team in our IR map like 3 games in a row now

[silent sigil]

Fact

[torpid mortar]

Bring back 5 day ir

And map big big more so it will be like old times

[lusty token]

Make IR 1 day

[torpid mortar]

And give wmw reward keep this points shop also but give wmw reward something new devices

[solemn shale]

Give weapon and vest choice fragments instead this random nonsense.

[lusty token]

And cut the cost of 1d healing speedups in DLS shop in half.

^ that is IR related

[devout kelp]

Bounty Ground is being ruined as too many players are flying around the map as if on land speeders or something. It's a shame because it used to be the most fun part of the game. A rebalancing is definitely needed.n

[grizzled halo]

IGG when you going to fix the friends list thing

A few of us logged in to all of our friends and blocks removed

[lusty token]

You should send a ticket in game.

[grizzled halo]

True which one should I click

[lusty token]

under help -> ask a question, bottom middle button "submit a ticket"

[midnight steppe]

Why can’t i sell purple stars and pieces? I upgraded all my purple heroes and still can’t sell them🧐

[somber rover]

Yes

[elder mango]

when the mad Racer comes back?

[lucid pasture]

Why purple frags and star are not showing in recall suppy

*supply

[lusty token]

Purple stars were never exchangable and purple fragments are temporarily not exchangable along with all other fragments because they have decided that we must choose to save our gold fragments for an upcoming feature.

[solemn shale]

Its part of their new program, called "Lets give more fragments to all by actually reducing possibilities for people to get them...free" .

[full sierra]

is superhero pack never getting updated?

[snow elk]

I don't understand why infantry is so hated

[full sierra]

infantry was the best until around a year ago and now they decide it should be weakest

[snow elk]

I thought maybe they wait for the 2nd S class infantry hero to put Stella there. But it seems like no. Just no infantry heroes for that proposal.

[midnight pawn]

boyd and eileen enter the chat

[lusty token]

They should have given Elieen a 900 rage requirement too.

[midnight pawn]

more than busted enough without it

[full sierra]

nah she needs the 900 rage

[lusty token]

I'd settle for 850

[main turtle]

Yeah that would be nice lol

[peak lark]

800 my final offer

[solemn shale]

Just imagine then what will new ranged heroes look like.

[tough cove]

same with sophie, but she still has 900

[midnight pawn]

sophie is ranged tho, dies faster

[stuck hollow]

I don't know if it's just me that finds it annoying. but if I have 4 squads on the map and one is somewhere far away (goeing for buff etc.) and I mark all of them, why is the fifth one also marked if it's not in the window.

[lusty token]

Sophie is better than Eileen though still.

[tough cove]

comparing them is an insult to sophie

[torpid mortar]

Sopi need buff eleen too op

[solemn shale]

Eileen just need to be targeted more often. But while Sophie is on field, that not gonna happen.

[tough cove]

yeah, because sophie's enemies will be dead

[agile harbor]

You dont see Elieen power for months as people still have to awaken her

She just came out and most dont even have half of her skills up, it will take a long time to get her full

[zealous flame]

Stop saying rubbish like this. Lots of people have her awakened

[agile harbor]

Yah right its not rubbish

A lot, you mean a tiny % who happen to have 700 frags on hand its not a lot its barely anyone

Till we actually see her results weeks from now when she actually gets used en mass then we can see if she is good

[zealous flame]

A lot of people have her, just because you don’t that doesn’t mean anything

[agile harbor]

sorry but you are just WRONG

very few people have her, most people unlocked her but very few have her awakened

there is 0 reason to dump 700 frags on an unproven hero when there is so many good heros like thunder, riven, stella to still invest into.. people already half way through those heros need to finish those first

the ONLY people who had 700 frags waiting are people who finished ALL the other people already and those people are WHALES okay? And whales arent A LOT or everyone they are a tiny % of the population

[zealous flame]

Except I’m not though, your weird alliance isn’t most people. Talking to you is pointless because you sit here talking about what you THINK and spout it as fact

[agile harbor]

I will tell you when Elieeen becomes meta if she ever does, that will be months from now when most people have her awakened not a few people

[zealous flame]

I won’t wait for you to tell me whether anything is good or bad. Just put it in your non-existent lessons

[agile harbor]

I am one of the best authorities on the current pulse of the game

i dont use math or stats to tell the story, i speak from first hand experience with real perspective from "feel and vibe" i talk to people i interview them

stats and math can only tell you so much and the rest is talent and feel

[torpid mortar]

4 playerd in my alliance awaken her on day 1 bto

[full sierra]

A lot focused on infantry and saved for her, so yes a lot

[agile harbor]

There is no way that is true based on pure logic

People are still working on thunder, riven, stella there isnt enough frags to go around to awaken her right away

no one is sitting on 700 gold frags waiting for a random UNPROVEN hero when you got 3 other heros already ready to go.. only fools invest 700 frags BLIND into a unproven hero

its crazy to defend awakening her first day when you have no clue if she will be good or not, when other heros are PROVEN to be already effective thats smart logic

[full sierra]

Unproven?
Igg has proven their power creep with every release

[zealous flame]

Slim just repeats the same 1-2 talking points in every channel for weeks on end

[main turtle]

And everyone feed right into hot dog man 🌭🌭

[agile harbor]

Its unproven because who in their right mind would sink 700 frags on a hero blind

when you literrally have riven, thnder, stella etc to finish you dont start something without finishing the others

the only people who had frags were people who already finished all the other infantry heros, and to do that you had to either be a whale (which is a small % are) or really a wasteful player to have 700 frags sitting there collecitng dust, so no its not everyone its a tiny % of people

[full sierra]

5 in my region with awakened eileen.

[main turtle]

No it’s better to save frags for hero you want

[agile harbor]

5 in the region, correct.. is that A LOt? is that everyone?

[full sierra]

Finish thunder? Why are you telling people to waste frags

[agile harbor]

5 in a region just validates my point, its TINY % of people vs the whole population

[full sierra]

5 per region is hundreds of players

[agile harbor]

if a small amount of people have her it doesnt make her meta, she is unproven, there is too little data from those small people to validate if she is better than other heros

till she becomes meta everyone will stick to proven heros

[agile harbor]

hundreds of players in a game with over 100k+ population is less than 1%

[full sierra]

Maxed vehicles is op.
Almost no one having that doesn't mean otherwise

[agile harbor]

maxed vechiles arent meta

meta is somethig that can be achieved by most

right now Elieen isnt achievable by most, its not meta because she isnt viable for everyone to get

[night jungle]

Nobodys taking your advice

[agile harbor]

tons of people are, i am on every chat everyday giving advice based on feel and look

if it feels like its doing good it passes the eye test it works, thats how i go about it

[full sierra]

No

[night jungle]

Nobody who knows how wrong you generally are

Everyone here thinks you got the worst advice in this game

So we won't let you mislead the discordians lol

[night jungle]

Ive corrected you multiple times meta isn't whats popular its whats good

Stop saying stupid stuff.

[agile harbor]

i said elieen has a small % of people who got her, hunreds of players have her out of 100k proves my point

its not that a LOt of people have her awakened that remains a fact

[night jungle]

That dosnt prove your point, you're not even using the word meta right

You dont even know what the word means you just misuse it

[agile harbor]

meta is decided by opinion leaders of the game

the most knowlegeable players make the meta

[night jungle]

But you're not one.

So what you say is irrelevant here

[agile harbor]

its unbelievably rude to say

[night jungle]

Its not though

Its just a fact

You're wrong pretty regularly

So you're clearly not knowledgeable

[full sierra]

So why don't you ask one instead of making stuff up?

[agile harbor]

i am asking

i am here everyday asking about what is popular what is working etc

[night jungle]

No you make statements that are wrong constantly

[tough cove]

yes, you are correct with that. Every knowledable inf player is saying that eileen is meta and started working on her if not awaken already

[full sierra]

Are you? We said she's meta and you said she's too new for f2p to have which supposedly is an argument against meta

[night jungle]

I corrected your definition of meta twice and you still use it incorrectly

[agile harbor]

how can they know that

[night jungle]

Saying people dont use her so she's not meta, thats not how that works

You dont even know basic words

[agile harbor]

it takes weeks to analyze a hero, to test her, to understand her skills etc

[full sierra]

They awakened her then used in pompei and ir

[night jungle]

Because they're using their brain unlike you

Mr meta

[tough cove]

You look on her skills and you compare with existing heroes and thats how you know

[agile harbor]

to dump 700 frags into a hero just because it sounds good on paper isnt a smart decision how can you defend that decision

[keen panther]

Why are you telling people to concentrate on weak heroes like thunder. Finish your maxine and Sara, hank and raigoro then before concentrating on Ellen.. t

[agile harbor]

a lot of heros sound good on paper like Rubina but arent good

[night jungle]

Because they're right constantly unlike you

[tough cove]

Rubina is amazing

[agile harbor]

cause it benefits us all

[full sierra]

But rubina is good?

[night jungle]

Rubina is good though...lmao

[full sierra]

How does wasting people's time help anyone

[keen panther]

Which benefits

[agile harbor]

people have already invested into those heros

[night jungle]

Making then weaker

[tough cove]

Its a good decision because hero is good, what do u mean?

[night jungle]

He admits it constantly

[agile harbor]

we want thunder garrison and riven complete

[night jungle]

Slim misleads players so he has an easier time

Hes just a douchebag

[agile harbor]

if someoen invested into their hero 5511 why stop half way instead of finishing those heros

[keen panther]

Ok so they finish Sarah first because she is 5551

[full sierra]

Thunder riven was never meta, boyd riven or Boyd stella

[night jungle]

Because you get better investment somewhere else.

Awakening dosnt make it better than another hero half done all the time

[agile harbor]

yes it does

[night jungle]

Rather use elieen one skill than raigro awakened

[full sierra]

Not even halfway, why bother

[night jungle]

You're just lying.

[agile harbor]

any awakened hero is better than a half finished hero, name me one hero that isnt

[keen panther]

Sarah

[tough cove]

if you want to mislead anyone to going for thunder or riven then you should not be giving advices obviously

[agile harbor]

show me an awakekned hero that is worse than a 5511 hero

[night jungle]

Half the heros in existance....maya?

Go awaken maaya and fight a Sophie with one skill

Tell me how you do

Spedshady

[tough cove]

miya or eileen 5111 better than tom, thunder awakened, easy

[lusty token]

Jaden vs any roulette hero.

[agile harbor]

jaden

[keen panther]

How long do you think it takes for someone to make a hero 5511? 90 years

[night jungle]

Maxine vs slim maxine might actually win

[agile harbor]

i am amazed people knew to invest into elieen blindly

that they were willing to risk 700 frags and even had 700 frags on them in their bag just sitting there

[lusty token]

It's not really blindly. The stats are all written out to read.

[night jungle]

And half is cheaper than awakened pretty easily so since scaling is harder hes basically telling you to awaken a hero and spend 2x more than just work on another hero

2 skills compared to 4 skills is a world difference, slim might be the worst player known to man

[agile harbor]

yes but people dont know what those stats mean its cofusing because the stats are conditional

[night jungle]

Down in the history books for his bad advice

[tough cove]

there is nothing to risk. you see hero skill before you put fragments in.

[lusty token]

The stats mean exactly what they say. There's nothing confusing in her stats.

[agile harbor]

you have to actually test it on the field first over a course of time before you can decide if the hero is good

[keen panther]

So it's better to grow a bad hero.

[night jungle]

Not all stats are conditional

[lusty token]

Why am I talking to the guy who collects racists for his alliance about reading comprehension?

[agile harbor]

Boyd for example transcend skill 4

[night jungle]

True

[tough cove]

No you dont, most heroes are straight forward

[night jungle]

Slim has a racist alliance i forgot

[agile harbor]

only activates 3 seconds for rage, so his 4th skill isnt as good as people said transcended

[night jungle]

Means his words are null

[agile harbor]

so if you RUSH ahead you are making mistakes vs waiting for info to come in

[main turtle]

It also help she is a roulette hero

[night jungle]

Hotdog man

[main turtle]

Those are easy to awaken

[night jungle]

Troof

[main turtle]

😂😂

[agile harbor]

roulette is rigged these days 1 year ago it was easy to get 10x frags now you get 50 spins you be lucky to get 40 frags from 50 spins

[night jungle]

Best field heros always roulette

[full sierra]

Boyd was thought to be worse because of conditions but he's pretty good

[night jungle]

Its as good as ever, luck based

[agile harbor]

yah see it helps waiting to see how others play him first and collect frags over time

[lusty token]

https://tenor.com/view/suspect-guilty-i-think-you-should-leave-itysl-obvious-gif-19455657

[main turtle]

I wonder how he will do against 3 rallies

[agile harbor]

collecting 700 frags to awaken someone is a huge investment its a long process

[night jungle]

Not a hitlr outfit for slim instead?

Considering the racist players he collects like Pokémon im suprised

[lusty token]

I do not want to find a hotdog kitler gif

[night jungle]

🤣🤣🤣

[agile harbor]

a lot of people get kicked out of alliances or dont have a home

they need a place to go, you dont just abandon them on the street

[tough cove]

you keep saying this over and over, but this doesnt make you right, you are still wrong and above it was explained

[night jungle]

So you home the racist players and make your alliance a team of degenerates, get it

[night jungle]

Yes you do lol

You're just friends with them irl stop making excuses

[full sierra]

Boyd stella should be strong

[keen panther]

That's the point of charmander and other youtubers tier list, to tell people what heroes to work on. An active person with vip 11 takes 6 months to get 680 fragments. Is it better to get very strong in 6 months or in 1 year

[agile harbor]

i agree it takes 6 months

to get awakened elieen thats when the meta will shift by when people have her

[lusty token]

I don't know about you, but I get fragments from more places than just daily vip gift

[agile harbor]

meta wont be made by a small % of people who happen to have her first

[night jungle]

That's why you get her before meta shifts but you wouldn't understand that

Logic is beyond your comprehension

[night jungle]

Meta dosnt matter who has it

[full sierra]

That's why f2p usually choose a troop type to focus on.
A bit over 6 months per new pair

[tough cove]

eileen is the best inf hero, she will stay relevant for years now

[agile harbor]

i am the man of the people i enjoy being on par with others i am not rushing ahead to get new heros

[night jungle]

Meta literally means most effective tactic available

Stop changing the words definition

You're not smart

[keen panther]

If they have a receptive place to go, they won't change. That's why most reasonable real life governments made courts and tough prisons for degenerates

[tough cove]

thats literally whats happening tho

[night jungle]

One person can have elieen its still meta

You just dont listen

[night jungle]

He just says that cause he's friends irl with the racist guy

He cant kick him

[keen panther]

If Adolf Hitler met people not like you, many people will be alive today.