Bot Spot

[soft sorrel]

otherwise I have to remove the rune and such.

thanks for pinging me by the way; I often don't see stuff without a ping

[steel warren]

Officers: DO NOT PUT ANY RUNES cause it's different every bge/situation so its a waste to use them everr‼️

jk feel free to always ask in #spellstone-general for rune choices but generally rune the offensive skill of that card

[soft sorrel]

do you lose runes when removing them or not?

thanks for the advice; so like storming bolt for bolt all cards?

[steel warren]

If you think about the roles of the card it would be offensive / tank / support
offensive: the offensive ability (scorch, poison, bolt all, fb)
tank: the defensive ability (generally veng or corrosive, emberhide has no leg rune)
support: either hp or that support skill (hp, heal all, barrier all, emp)

You do lose rune when replacing but is it really better than nothing at all? You are reducing its hp and offensive power plus you can also just not replace them again and it would work, still better than nothing.

[soft sorrel]

well, I tried asking in spellstone general chat about rune choices, we will see how that goes

[steel warren]

You can also derive rune choices by when you play the game, in bounties/arena/clashes I'm sure you would start to notice what most of the people run.

[soft sorrel]

okay

[foggy lion]

So ... you do say it's your account. You do play in RED with high leveled to almost maxed champions.
You never had a chance to rune almost any of your cards. Also none of your guildmates did try to help you at any time.
Or you wanted to improve your game & cards, by just askin' away here on Discord either.
You still do participate in events. You never wanted to try & put your runes to use &/or experiment with those.
... Seems pretty suspicious to me either way ! ... As havin' all those cards at that levels is an indicator of playin' the game regularly & for at least a longer period of time. So for now i will just see if anything will change with that.
Basically does mean your reports will stay, but should not be further investigated (for now) ...
P.S. : If i had the chance to perform some account-checks directly, i would definitely take a closer look into your account. Just so you know ... But that's not my decision(s) to make. @soft sorrel.

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[foggy lion]

• So you also never tried to rune any card, ... at least twice ... with another rune ? <-> No "basic game-knowledge" with that inventory ?

[soft sorrel]

I thought that you might lose them by replacing 1 rune with another but was not sure hence the question.

[foggy lion]

How long do you play for NOT knowing that ? Also why never ask anyone ?
You also can't loose anything if you don't rune almost any of your cards ?

This seems to be a case of "wasted time" to me for now ... -> So i'll stop. I'll definitely will watch your account from now on ...
As 95+% of Spellstone's regular playerbase does want to rune & improve their cards with that !
On the other hand you seem to be a friendly guy, but i'm not an "easy believer" like @steel warren is ... 🧐👌

[soft sorrel]

sometimes I have talk to people on discord to try to learn more about the game, then I feel a little overwhelmed and stop for a while

I am having a much better time now after runing my cards

[foggy lion]

Current list of additional reports / missed accounts : @slow fulcrum & also @ComDevs :
Alfitor
mega_JiGurDa
Alex1784
Happycard

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Also i shoudn't be thee only one to find such accounts ... yet again ... So please feel free to post here too & thanks. 🫶

[cinder crow]

You get a lot of rune crafting material now. ComDev philosophy on runes are they should be replaceable and you shouldn't feel bad replacing one rune with another if the BGE or meta shifts. You're meant to be swimming in them.

[soft sorrel]

Nice; back when I first played the game runes, like other areas of progression were super hard to obtain. Things have gotten a lot better now.

[foggy lion]

Also just now, ... i did check the rankings for the new Sanctuary Clash Challenge & 7 ALREADY reported + suspected accounts of cheating, scored 90/90 / perfects in a short timespan ! Not suspicious at all ! # Notin' to see here # Everthing is fine ... # 🇷🇺
& ...
After the event reached day 3 all scores went "a bit over the place" (like those always do) <-> to hide the truth !
Maybe i shoudn't have said anything & just reported them later on ...
A pretty obvious case & i also have at least one account caught with an unchanged, current b.g.e.-deck + unruned high leveled cards !
-> Also if added, bonus-battles aren't a thing here, ... it has to be something else !
May that be havin' battle-advantages of any sort &/or just plain cheating, exploiting involved + bein' bots / botmasters to begin with !
+ ... All that "effort" for evergreen endgame-champions ... 🔥 🔥 🔥

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-25423496

👍 🔥 🔥 👍

[foggy lion]

I won't say much this time ... # Too obvious.
I rather want to ask why are so many of the obvious bots still not banned yet !?
Why aren't there any actions taken vs. them & why are those accounts still able to play the game ?!
@slow fulcrum ??? # I'm very curious ...
-> Or is this topic just again for us to vent & feedback is ignored entirely, ... but you have to say "it's all fine & we'll take care of it."
Just because, i've seen many more reported accounts, that have been posted here & before ... INTO OBLIVION !

🤷‍♂️

[steel warren]

is this guy bot? he has only epic runes on the 2 high lvl champ or effects of yellow flask that's why inflated champ lvls now on silver and gold players?

[foggy lion]

As far as i know @crimson shoal is still playin' ... right ... ?

👀

So ... normally no. Shoudn't be a bot. Also wasn't reported before ... & as far as i know ...
& The Community (like in the 2nd last banwave up to today) & nowadays mostly myself aren't either too far off &/or hit them right on !
... Though nothin' seems to be done (again) ... BUT ! ... This is still not fine & most, rather all bots need to go !

[foggy lion]

1st off ... THANKS FOR NOTHIN' ... especially no infos &/or whatsoever ... ! 👍🤢👍

Unchanged deck even after the new b.g.e. started & it has been some days, ... alongside high leveled, unruned champions too !
Was also reported multiple times so far & this bot is still in-game with no care to ban anytime soon ! 👆
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👇 Unchanged arena-deck (live-battles) also after b.g.e-start ! + # ! Ruby-tier !
With pre-programmed, same card-playtime each turn & other, less obvious indicators !
Also has played some high leveled, unruned cards too, ... which i coudn't quite "catch" in the screenshot !
Thought over a longer, recent peroid of time, that this account is a real player, ... got fooled !
At least this account is set to be automated at times & maybe some botmaster plays it from time to time ...
Also has been reported multiple times too !!

-> Not mucht to explain here. Obvious bot, not perma-banned yet ! NO CARE AT ALL !! 👆
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-> Likewise with the Happycard-account ! # Too obvious !! 👇

Current + updated list of additional reports / missed accounts : @slow fulcrum & also @ComDevs :
Alfitor (3x)
mega_JiGurDa (2x)
Alex1784
Happycard (2x)
ToJl9lH
IliaL171
KRIPTON
Also : All re-reported accounts here ... Also got reported before & more then once ... even only during this topic's lifespan !

& I didn't + will not forget any post here (especially meant @steel warren). 🕵️👍
I also will just post & post ... even if nothin' will happen ...'
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At least it's quite clear to see that bots are still in-game & even after a "myriad of reports made" ...
NO ONE THAT IS ACTUALLY IN CHARGE, DOES CARE TO PERMA-BAN THEM ALL A.S.A.P. !
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(& I personally can vouch for WhomItMayConcern & our ComDevs to NOT BEIN' THE ISSUE HERE !)
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P.S. : Place me 🔥 "on the stakes" again 🔥, ... i wasn't afraid to be silenced &/or banned before (+ years ago) !
This posts here are just the plain truth, even if you don't care &/or straight up deny those facts !
As long as cheaters, bots, exploiters & so on will be "allowed" to stay in game, ... for whatever WEIRD reason ...
I will also not stop to report them, when i see & also caught them, with whatever "tools" i can manage to report them !
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-> # Einfach nur zum Kotzen ... (<- Swearing in my native / own language.)

🤮

[steel warren]

Go tiger!

[slow fulcrum]

Thanks Catplepus, I will look into these accounts as well. My apologies for being so busy. I have time this afternoon I'm hoping to slot this in, if not early in the AM is going to get my attention

[steel warren]

May I clarify? from the reported list have you banned any of them or is it after you look for signs that they are a bot you "mark" them then will do a massive ban wave in some time future

by list I mean all the accs that have been reported here example: what catplepus compiled

[foggy lion]

Coudn't get "something better" for now, ... as i really don't face some of these accounts anymore + often ! # Which is weird ... !

☝️Got reported 13 ++ times only just here & still plays unruned cards ! # After years ... ! # F. that !

New bot ? My guess is YES !

Still in-game & NOT perma-banned yet ... !

Also still in-game & NOT perma-banned yet !

One more, ... still in-game & NOT perma-banned yet !

Also why did ToJl9lH get "guild-banned" so far, but can still participate in in-game-events @slow fulcrum ?!
To me ... at least ... it seems ...
That only a very few things do indeed happen, but not much + almost all "leftover-unhuman-accounts" are still in-game !

Why ?

🤷‍♂️ ❔

Current + updated list of additional reports / missed accounts : @WhomItMayConcern & also @ComDevs :
Alfitor (3x)
mega_JiGurDa (4x)
Alex1784 (2x)
Happycard (2x)
ToJl9lH
IliaL171
KRIPTON
Zayac92
Artempux <- Taken from the bot-list for now ...
jmbetz95
Also : All re-reported accounts here ... Also got reported before & more then once ... even only during this topic's lifespan !

• "We will look into these accounts".
• "We take all reports seriously".
• "Please do report suspicious activities, those will be taken care of".
• "We will take firm & definite actions vs. any such instance".
  & so on ... # Just hollow words <-> # Without any actions !

🤮

P.S. : Watch me gettin' "silenced" soon &/or this topic gettin' "shut down" !
--> Can't wait ... # Like it was years ago. <-> # Nothin' changed ...

❤️ 🙏 ❤️

[slow fulcrum]

I'm not going to be upset Catplepus. You have every right to these feelings. I did mention when ComDev took over that I'd like to do a lot of things. Getting the back end handled was my main concern because I do not have time to manually go through these accounts and search for the bots since the acquisition and 2 rounds of layoffs. In fact my time is even more squeezed. I respond well to pings and bonks in private messages if you have pressing matters you would like to discuss or have an emergency. I am truly sorry that you feel abandoned.

[foggy lion]

Well ... i don't feel "abandoned" ESPECIALLY BY YOU ! ✌️
But ... why are the reported accounts from before + accounts that also got re-reported still in-game !?
... Especially when you can literally see & feel that those aren't real players !
P.S. : I would rather like + appreciate if pressing matters regarding leftover bots would be handled here + openly too.

🤷‍♂️

You have another, updated list with screenshots & i shure hope the right things will be done with those accounts ... !
Meanin' ... PERMA-BAN them all ! They are here since years & need to go ! # For the XX-time ! # For cryin' out loud !

If you just removed them from normal matchmaking, then this action is ABSOLUTELY NOT THE RIGHT THING to do here !
I also think that some reported accounts aren't even at BR18 ! That's also why i can't match vs. them anymore either ... !

☹️

[foggy lion]

I have only a few new reports to show ... but i don't face any of the reported accounts too often anymore ...
Also i either do not get "solid enough evidence" too often either &/or the botmasters de-ranked their accounts too !
<-> Which then leads to less & less encounters "along my daily spellstone-journeys" ... # Sadly ...
Maybe those accounts have indeed been removed from "some" matchmaking, but those still do participate in events & challenges !
Also Artempux is for now not on the bot-list again, ... but he does have multiple cards even in the new b.g.e.s still unruned !
Alongside also mid-leveled champions ! So i will keep that account under surveilance for some more time ...

PAINLY obvious bot-account, that has been around since years & no one seemed to care to ban yet !

All of the cards in that 1st screensshot are unruned !

Also another PAINLY obvious bot-account, that has been around "since the ages" & is not banned yet !

Same battle, ... just later on ... has even more unruned cards to show !
Plays since years & doesn't have "the ability" to rune even basic legendaries, before puttin' them in the main-deck !
Whatever botmaster does take care of that account(s) should care to put some more effort in ... # To make my "hobby" harder ...

🕵️

[restive linden]

No TigShark?

[foggy lion]

This account & a few others do have also unruned cards, but those accounts seem to be player-controlled & also played in the recent months, ... so even with the fact the we all know that those were bot-accounts for years, ... those aren't anymore for the time ... It also seems they purposely de-ranked those accounts from BR18 to something lower, to avoid bein' caught too often & lessen overall encounters with them too ! Furthermore i would really appreciate if more (& not only me ...) would start to report suspicious accounts more.
-> # I can't catch them all ... # I would have banned them long ago ! # Not in my hands ...

[foggy lion]

P.S. : DO NOT WORRY ! I KEEP ALL OF THEM UNDER SURVEILANCE ! # I DO HAVE A GOOD MEMORY. # I'M ALSO PERSISTENT.
... & ...

https://tenor.com/view/on-the-case-search-detective-on-it-hat-gif-26966323

[sweet junco]

These champs seemed pretty suspicious

[cinder crow]

Getting runes is hard 🙃

[foggy lion]

Finally another nice catch ! # Not by me ...

... Even though this "clear to see" bot has been reported before, ... it remains "not removed from the game" yet ... 🙏

[sweet junco]

Unruned reks and sivun at lvl 7 too

[foggy lion]

Self-explainatory, ... also had more of those cards in use ! # Obvious bot ! <-> # Obvious ban !

-> # Just one more for the collection. 🙏

Also another obvious bot-account, that has been reported into oblivion already !
Could be played by a botmaster at the moment, ... doesn't change the facts though ! # Ban a.s.a.p. !

Seems to be a new(er) bot. Many unruned cards ! Will be under surveilance + will be reported if possible ...

[foggy lion]

Had multiple, rather most cards unruned ! Wasn't reported yet ... So i hope this account's card-situation with runes will change !

Leftover bot-account with multiple unruned near maxed / maxed cards ! That seems to be played by a botmaster at times ...

Likewise ... Is also a leftover bot-account ... But that is fine ...

Oh ... I capured the bastion2045 yet again, with even more unruned cards !

-> # Most obvious bot-account of the bunch ! # LMFAO !

Coudn't report more ... Sadly ... Seems many, rather most of those reported accounts got "removed" from matchups !
Otherwise it's either that &/or those got banned ... BUT ... I'll bet my $$$ on it NOT bein' that case ...
(As those still also seems to get top-scores in challenges & with "robotic precision" !)
<-> Will try to report what i can manage, until ALL bots &/or controlled bot-accounts are gone for good ! 🙏
P.S. : Even though unconfirmed, ... it also feels like some of those accounts got indeed banned in a way or another ...

[foggy lion]

As russian-bots already tend to miss runes for legendaries & higher, it's no surprise they can't rune any epics either !

Same here & sorry for the low quality !

We didn't hear anything anymore from tarjmov, seems like his account (that seems "automated" again), is also not able to rune any recent card either ! In this screenshot it's just Scrap, but there where way more then only this card ! Will be "under surveillance" again ... Seems to be a clear bot again ... (<- Especially when he doesn't play for a couple of months.)

Kinda always plays the same cards & has also still & evermore many unruned !

Got IliaL171 yet again with more unruned cards + champions !

... Seemed to stop playin' ... is also guildless ... Was reported before too & should be another clear bot too ...

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Either way ... i don't match vs. most russian anymore &/or nowadays ... <-> My belief : They de-ranked their accounts below BR 18 & therfore normally can't be matched against in bounties with the same BR anyway ... ! Furthermore i also do believe that most bot-accounts don't even play bounties at all & are therefore missing rune-materials ! <- Would also explain why many of their used cards aren't runed either ! Does also make it harder to report them ( more often + ) alltogether ! <-> Lesser "encounter-rate" = Lesser reports.
... Would also be quite amusing if they programmed them, to NOT PLAY DURING CERTAIN TIMES in arena too ... ( L.M.A.O. ) ...

🕵️

[foggy lion]

Also funny to see : No "normal" (bot-)account at 90/90 either durin' day 2 of a changed challenge ! L.o.l. !
@Botmasters : Please update them, so they can be at perfects again & thanks. 👍
(For further L.o.l.z not a single "bot-federation-player" to see at the top of the leaderboard either ... !)

[steel warren]

so sad she will leave without fixing these bots, now no one can ban them 😢 dont know what other proof to provide besides not putting runes on lvl 10 champions when they are 24/7 in ruby and have played 4+ years

[foggy lion]

There is a ton of other "proof", that was provided & shared over these years + this bot spot-topic isn't the first &/or only "report-section" ! We had at least one more with Adrian, that has been "archived". Also ... We still have some bots &/or known cheaters remaining, but we got rid of most of them. It will be more sad to see, what the future may hold, especially if nothin' changes &/or this situation will worsen again !
Or ... if already banned accounts "return" at some point of time & those weren't perma-banned yet again !

😢

Played vs. this account in a recent challenge. Will likely post multiple screenshots in the future.
So you can see even more cards, that are unruned + also "unchanged" for said years.
... -> Which no real player would do b.t.w. & this account is also guildless too, maybe ... just maybe we won't see it again.

Is still playin' his unchanged and also unruned dragon-deck from last b.g.e. & this account is doin' this in ruby !
... -> Which also no real player would do + even more so without preparing their used cards to the max.

Also ... as we still have our spellstone-discord, we are still able to share & report bots &/or cheaters.
Which i will at least continue. As it seems that i am the (almost) only one doin' so anyway ...

• It got way easier for me & with the "equipment" i got, after some of you guys helped me find easier ways to share.
  But (& i said this before) : I can be very adamant & unyielding in my "righteous pursuites" as a "detective" !

🕵️🫶

[steel warren]

🫡

[foggy lion]

Uses multiple -> most cards unruned + since years & also more of those in the current challenge !

I don't have to elaborate here ...

Nothing "special to see here".

Got IliaL171 twice.

Also got Zayac92 twice also.

Liwewise ... no further explanasions needed here either ...

& I have a feelin' that played accounts (by botmasters) are using some exploits !
I can't prove it (would love to), but they should still manipulate their card-draws in some way or another !
(Alongside "wallhacks" &/or minor, rather undetectable cheats.)
Would also explain why their bots do get (near) perfects at most times in challenges & events ...
Despite the fact that those accounts use non-viable & unruned cards in them !
(Furthermore as the possibility that those have more attacks to use then us, got ruled out before.)
I also do have my eyes on multiple of player-controlled accounts that do play reported bot-accounts too ...
Better don't decide to neglegt those in the future, @botmasters & -minions, just because they'll get reported here kinda instantly !

[foggy lion]

Don't have "many" this time around, as i took some screenshots that weren't to good / viable ... 😔 ...

Multiple unruned cards ! Wasn't reported so far (as it seems with the recent list), -> will be "under surveilance" for shure !

Has most cards unruned, could still be a new(er) player, ... will also be listed & watched.

"No room for negations left" ! One of thee most obvious & also still unbanned bot-accounts in-game !

[cyan monolith]

At this point,with the very low player count, even having this kind of bots is not this bad in my opinion…

[foggy lion]

It is still bad, regardless of the player count &/or playerbase ... 🤨 ...
Nice catch though !
Will also add this capture to the overall count. 👍
Is rarely also played "physically" by a botmaster as it seems & may that just be for "maintenance".

[foggy lion]

Also ... & just meant as a "side-note" : It seems that cheaters, bots, exploiters & anything alike ...
(Still) can't handle the "heat" of any new challenge with changed rules &/or settings.
(+ @ComDevs :)
-> Which is indeed no bad thing & should be considered the "new standard" from now on too ! 🙏

[foggy lion]

& The usual bots have already returned to action ...

[foggy lion]

Just fought vs. Zayac92 in arena, with this account's unchanged avian-deck, on automated play. 🙏

[foggy lion]

"A bot in the making", almost up there with the top-bots + havin' multiple maxed, unrunded champions & cards.

Didn't capture more this time, also has multiple champions unruned + also maxed. Deck unchanged since some time too !

As normally unruned cards from those bots, also tend to be played last (at least in bounties + vs. me).

Like Portal_Pilot : A bot that has been around since years, reported to oblivion & back, still not banned ! 🙏

[foggy lion]

Many, rather most unruned & high leveled. Already got "reported into oblivion", but just doesn't stay there ... !

Same case, also a bit that has been around "since the ages" !

Will try to get more + better screenshots at times, but a maxed + unruned Milax should already be enough ... !

"New-er bot" ?! Don't remember seein' anyone from that guild either ! So if it's a new bot-guild ... we should see more reports !

& Just because some asked : We do not have many bots remaining, at least not "fully grown bots".
Doesn't mean that's the same for cheaters &/or exploiters, that do remain here with us !
(This does include manipulating card-drops &/or r.n.g. as a whole <-> So to say wallhacks, optimal playorder & the like !)
--> "Once a cheater, always a cheater !" 🦾🤖

[foggy lion]

It's "that time" again ... :

Multiple unruned cards + since the last times, ... nothin' changed. # Great bot-indicator. 👍

... Still can't quite understand, why this more then obvious bot wasn't & isn't banned yet !

B.t.w. i'm (normally) only doin' decent <-> to good screenshots, otherwise i would have even more to show.

Hasn't been reported yet ... & since it got said "we don not have any bots" before ...
This account here will go "under surveilance" & here's hopin' "some things will change" !

Also an abvious + well known bot.

I'm glad i do encounter more of this account nowadays. 🙏
Has been reported many times, is "on occasion" also played by one ore more botmasters.
... If this account isn't ... Feels robotic, timed + set play & also manipulated with cards drops & co.
& I also can't believe this account "survived" more then one banwave too !

Just want to show that the "current bot-measurements" can also be "somewhat effective" (at times) ...

Seems like a "newly" created guild, that also flew under the radars for now ...
Almost all cards unruned, mid-tier leveled champions ...
-> Seems like (many) new bots (maybe) on the way ! # Oh my ... 😫 ...

Will also try to get better screenshots for my reports too, ... but still ...

[vagrant veldt]

How does this help if the guy just quit the game lol

[foggy lion]

Read, think + realize i'd say ... & i'm just happy "the guy quit" the game too. 😏
Especially after "that guy" has been around for years as a bot. 👍
-> Hopefully more of "the guys" listed here will also "quit the game" a.s.a.p. 🙏😇
At least one of them seems gone for good, thanks for more info @vagrant veldt.
(P.S. : If you didn't get it : I think it helps A LOT ! 😘)

[foggy lion]

Ey ! Guess who still "plays" arena, ... AFTER "quitting the game" !
-> With many unruned cards, DEFINITE non-bot-behaviour & WITHOUT optimized + pre-programmed card-drop-order !
Well ... seems I WAS THE CLOWN ALL ALONG !

🤡 🙏

[steel warren]

good catch

[foggy lion]

-> # Another report. # Usual suspect. # Nothin' changed.

Even though played by a botmaster, ... has also many unruned cards !
Therefore it shoudn't be played to often & rather automated at most times.
-> # Bots still need maintenance. # Also nothin' new.

[foggy lion]

One of thee most obvious bot-accounts ever !
Same battle, multiple champions + maxed champions unruned !
Bot-like-behaviour in an arena-battle !
Already reported to Oblivion & back again !
PLEASE ! DO SOMETHING ! # FINALLY & FOREVER !

😡

Similar case ! BAN THEM ALREADY ... !

Oh my ! What to say anymore ... SOMEONE NEEDS TO ACT ! # A.S.A.P. ! 💥 🤖 💥

[foggy lion]

Another perfect example for (a nowadays) bot(ed)-account, with many mid- to high-leveled unruned champions, alongside unruned legendaries & i didn't even see all cards in the deck ! For a short amount of time (as said + pointed out before by myself) tarjmov has indeed played the game ... Even though he may return & keep makin' it look like "everything is just fine", please do keep those recent reports here in mind, know better & don't believe the lies anyone tries to feed you ! 🙅‍♂️
--> # Once a cheater, always a cheater ! # Or in this case bot / botmaster. 🦾 🤖

... Also many thanks to the one(s) who showed me how to take screenshots on my pc ! # That helped me out a ton already !

🫶

[foggy lion]

Just want to "ged rid" of the "leftover reports" for the recent b.g.e. :

Can also someone from the botmasters change the cards that the lopedium-account plays !?
He still uses unruned angels & insects ! # In arena !
... If you don't update your bots to a new b.g.e. anymore, that bot will just loose more !
Hopefully you're not slackin' off ...

Also let greendia know that the deck he uses all-year-round ...
(-> Which also indicates "more bot then player" <-)
Doesn't quite work either !
If he runs into decent players (& doesn't intentionally match up vs. bot-accounts) ...
He will leave ruby sooner then later !
... As "playing with benefits / enhancements" doesn't guarantee a ruby-rank in arena either ...

🤷‍♂️

I will update the current list now :

[foggy lion]

Still get this account in bounties, seems to be not banned yet ... ! # Needs to be done !

[foggy lion]

@faint seal : I'll also add your "catch" here too.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917848491768811601/1407129041521217546/IMG_20250819_012623.jpg?ex=68a4fa8a&is=68a3a90a&hm=a9a2189e358f82976d2fa1109098ff067725e28815b7600fa3265b5204333e7a&

... Would really appreciate if some more reports would come to discord as a whole.
... Even if just some more. But it's fine either way ... # Just my spellstone-hobby. <-> # Bot-hunting.

🕵️

[foggy lion]

Most obviously also another account that needs some attention !
Felt like a bot this time. On some occasions also played + managed by a botmaster too.
& Therefore most likely not banned yet, because someone actually logs into this account from time to time.
'Non the less ... an account that should be gone for good, rather then let it stay in spellstone !

[faint seal]

1001st time after 1000 times... They keep playing, and I hate that especially they're affecting challenge rankings and causing other players to get less champ stones/flasks. Someone give me a logical explanation: even the best players in Spellstone can't always score 135, so how can they always score 133/34/35 with runeless cards? And that most runeless cards are challenge meta cards.

[foggy lion]

• Extra battles (though that got ruled out by ComDevs, especially CenturionZ_1 & vuzaldo).
• Optimized, automated play with rigged carddrops + exclusively vs. an weaker opponent-pool.
• Some kind of exploit &/or cheats. -> Like manipulated wins, attacks, negated card-skills, e.t.c.
  ... There's actually many possibilities, where also more then one could be true.
  At least we know that "something" is definitely "amiss" here !

[foggy lion]

All cards unruned, alongside mid- & high-leveled champion(s).
Ultra-clear sign(s) for a newely created bot !
Can't believe i got lucky & found this one in one of the current challenge-battles on day 1.

[foggy lion]

Didn't see more cards ... battle was over too soon ... # Sadly.
& Still "playin' the game" after quitting since a month ! This time the current challenge.

• Also joined back into a (really unkown) guild (that has no bots whatsoever).

[foggy lion]

Another quick report :

[foggy lion]

... Should have been banned before &/or had to forfeit playin' (as a bot) for various reasons ...
-> Until that account "miracliously" will get recruited again, ... especially after it has been inactive for some time !
... ...

[faint seal]

Almost all champs max level but runeless.

[faint seal]

AND also "again" all known runeless card bots scored 133+ in Sanctuary challenge. HP is important in this challenge but how they scored 133+ with runeless champs?

I'm saying this again (if anyone cares and reads this) These accounts are affecting other players' rankings and decreasing their rewards. The solution is very simple (if it's even possible) Ban all accounts with max level champions without runes in the card pool.

Scoring 133+ with cards without any skill/HP bonus in challenges where even 1 HP is crucial has absolutely nothing to do with Sim. Going against the grain of the game and using maxed champions without runes shouldn't be a choice. If this theoretically triggers perfect drops, then all runes should be removed from the game and everyone should play without runes.

Adrian or whoever is handling this I don't know, either remove runes from the Spellstone completely or clear these accounts from the game.

(I hope)
(Please)

[faint seal]

bastion2045 still playing lmao.

Runeless L10 Mechau, then 2x runeless Frozenbolt, then L10 runeless Cyno...

[foggy lion]

@faint seal : Nice reports. Those 2 acounts got reported too many times too. <- Reports have been updated.
Adrian isn't in charge anymore ... sadly ...
The only ones that could ban some accounts are sitting at Kongregate & they do not care !
Our only hope is that the anti-cheat-installments take care of them.
Sadly again ... this won't happen though, as many bots are still able to stay here !
(+ Just because they made those really hard to trigger & as it stands multiple indicators need to hit 1st too !)

[faint seal]

This is not good. Unacceptable. Did you check Sanctuary Challenge Ranking? 134-135 scores bots. I know they have champs (what good in this challenge) are runeless. And how they score high? This is bullshit.

Hp is very important in this challenge

[foggy lion]

I know it's not good & i also think it's unacceptable too.
I rather not check those rankings, as it will just leave a bad aftertaste in my mind & throughout my day.
As things currently are, ... you have to "live with it" & "gulp it all down" mate.

🐮 💩

😋 ❤️

[foggy lion]

--> Havin' runes + using them (as normal players know) is "kinda important". 💯

[faint seal]

Cmon bro... So why are we reporting them? Lets close this "bot spot" then. I'm not just thinking about myself, I'm thinking about the other players too. (and you too) There's something unfair and strange about this. If no one cares about this anymore in Kongregate (as you said), then why are you sharing screenshots every day?

[foggy lion]

As i told you (before) : -> It's my personal spellstone-hobby. <- (# Nowadays.)

😎

[faint seal]

hahahahah

okay i like your hobby and your "bot collection"

[foggy lion]

& I HATE BOTS. I REALLY DO ! ... Or cheating in general ... ✌️

[faint seal]

In Arena in only 3 minutes:

2 different(!) players came in a row.

2 different guilds(!)

Same drops Freya and same level (6) and both runeless.

Same deck and same cards.

[foggy lion]

Was "under surveilance" ... not anymore.

[faint seal]

what about this guy? high level naglar and blazehorn runeless???

[foggy lion]

Well ... you don't see if the Naglar is completly runeless, as it still could have had a l.health-rune ...
If you say so though ... i won't question that either, as you are trusthworthy. 👍 😎
... Never reported before & i also didn't battle this account yet ...
Non' the less will put it into the list & will mark it with "Under surveilance", until we have seen &/or heard more.
<-> Therefore it might go either way ...
If it's a bot-account -> quite a good + new catch mate ! Otherwise also just a decent report.
(As it's not bad to check those things out 1st, see if we have caught one more & then come to a conclusion.)

[faint seal]

That fight was bounty by the way, not arena. But it doesnt matter. If I fight him again, I'll take screenshot of his other cards. +And I'll also take screenshot of his "undamaged" Naglar lol 🥲

I don't know why I didn't take a screenshot before I did any damage on Naglar? Big mistake. You're right bro.

[foggy lion]

It's fine ... i also didn't get thee "best evidence" when i started playin' detective either.

[foggy lion]

No real player would ever play multiple cards unruned + max. leveled champions too ! Definite bot !

• This account & IliaL171 are my most reported ones too ! # Shared 1st place at reports.

[faint seal]

another one runeless player (from bounty fight)

[foggy lion]

Had this account in bounties after a long time ... Seems nothin' changed from before ...

[foggy lion]

Hey ... a new one for "Under surveilance".

[foggy lion]

Most cards unruned, ... not reported once yet though ... until now ...

Very similar case here :

[foggy lion]

Well ... it seems though even as bebsoid has most of their cards unruned, ... it's a player ... !
Just had the chance to also get them in an arena-battle / live-battle & it seems i was wrong. 😅✌️

[foggy lion]

Two different battles in a recent challenge.
Also reported not only in this topic + to oblivion (back & beyond).
Still here & not banned !

[foggy lion]

Also another, multi-reported, obvious case of a long-time bot-account here :

[foggy lion]

Could be a new one.

This in an old one.

& This one here DIDN'T QUIT the game, is still actively playin' challenges & is also one of thee most obvious ones too !
-> & That's why you never trust someone that is/was/befriends in a guild/guilds that have bots !

[faint seal]

• And this guy scored 423 in Single Clash with runeless champs.

(Again) A question: How is that possible? For me, there's only one explanation for this: They're somehow manipulating the Matchmaking system. It's not about Sim or game reading skills. F..king no way...

[faint seal]

++ And Acid Clash Challenge, (as always) cheaters scored perfect 🙂

@idle kestrel I don't know if this topic interests you or if there's anything you can do about it? Or are you aware of this problem? I suspect these players are manipulating matchmaking system. They consistently score high in Clash events and all Challenges, and the vast majority of the cards they use are runeless but at maximum level. (And these cards are the cards that are used frequently in the game.)

I don't know if theories like deliberately keeping their Battle Point levels low or using runeless cards results in lower-level opponents in matchmaking are relevant (I personally don't think so). But let's assume this theory is true, then it violates the game's natural dynamics, and players exploiting this exploit should be considered cheaters for manipulating the system.

I've written about this many times before. The main problem is this: By consistently scoring high with runeless cards, they're lowering the rankings of the entire player base, reducing the amount of rewards/stones they receive. I don't know who's working on this, but these accounts need to be banned. No player can consistently achieve high scores with runeless cards without cheating or manipulating exploits. It's impossible. Even with exceptional sim skills and deck-building skills, your opponent's cards of the same level but with runes will eventually overpower yours.

[foggy lion]

Well ... Adrian did care & so did WhomItMayConcern.
They both got taken away from this topic & any related actions ...
So ... currently none is taken care of leftover bots.

• They do use exploits & cheats.
• Even if there's some anti-measures, they obviously don't work either !
  <-> # That's why it's rather a hobby before anything else.

[foggy lion]

Two different arena-battles. Seemed player-controlled those times ...
One advice : Better don't play bot-accounts (@botmasters), especially if you want to stay in ruby.
Has been reported before.
Is also an account that's here since years & that account still can't rune multiple champions !
-> So even if a player (botmaster) does play it at times, it's still bot-ed most times.

... Oh ... & KRIPTON has also been reported too, during this topic.
Though it should have been some time ago ...

[idle kestrel]

Hello! I'll definitely note the situation regarding bots for consideration, but Spellstone will primarily only be receiving fixes for issues that either block almost every player from accessing the game, cause a majority of purchases to fail, or would cause the game to be removed from a store.

We're currently prioritizing the server issues since they are frequently blocking everyone from playing, but a bot investigation might not be a priority for awhile. Not saying never though! I'll be logging feedback on all issues, but I wanted to set proper expectations on how long it may be before you see any action taken here. Hope you understand! 🙏

[foggy lion]

That's fine & all. @idle kestrel
... While you were in charge of bot-related actions, we also got rid of a good portion, rather most of them too !
Anyway ... + Just so you know ... --> There are still "Leftovers" !
& It's also not a bad thing, that you have been made aware of the current situation yet again either ...
Thanks for the reply & it's understandable that other in-game-mechanics are taken care of 1st.
Here's hopin' that "on how long it may be" <-> won't necessarly mean indefinitely !

[faint seal]

Thank you Adrian. While I respect your attention and effort to other major issues in the game, there's another major problem that unfortunately escapes everyone's attention or hasn't been addressed. I'll send you a detailed PM about it. I have an idea for a solution, which I'll share with you. I understand your priorities, but we shouldn't overlook the fact that the things I'm about to explain in detail are also among Spellstone's major problems.

[faint seal]

Hello my friend, could you please write your opinions and questions about the problems you encounter in this topic: https://discord.com/channels/905925539477479445/1416190640382939157

Also you can ask your general questions about the game at Spellstone General channel.

Because here is Bot Spot report topic.

[thorn bluff]

I just couldn't find where to write) Thank you.

[faint seal]

@idle kestrel
I sent you a detailed PM about the issue. I'd appreciate it if you could review it when you have some free time 🙏 📩

[foggy lion]

Another one ...

It's also russian-time yet again in arena ! As the same accounts ALWAYS play at the same time.
--> So get to it, grap yourself some free chest + make them also leave the higher tiers of arena, while your at it.
Thanks in advance for doin' so. 👍 😎

One more on top ...

I'd also love to report greendia here + more, but that acoount is normally played (by a "possible" botmaster).
& ... That account also normally uses the same cards all year 'round too (regardless of b.g.e.).
Sadly with cards that are runed, that's also (possibly) why the used cards never change !
Met that account twice just now, so i received live-feedback too.
Anyway ... a real player would change their deck at some point of time, especially if said player want to score high enough ...
(That is ... without "assistance" that isn't in-game for regular, real players.)

[foggy lion]

Caught one more today, ... though i almost missed this account's maxed K'luum unruned ... 😅 ...

& Also just for the record (again) : In any (video) game, an exploit is the use of a bug, glitch, or unintended in-game-mechanic
-> that can lead to gaining an unfair advantage over other players, often by circumventing the intended rules and design of the game. <- Which also included unruned cards, if those can be used for an exploit ! # The more that you know ... 🙏 😇
(Which also is a key-difference between cheating too ! --> As cheaters normally make use of external tools for that.)

[faint seal]

🤔

[faint seal]

Again 🤷‍♂️

@idle kestrel Also again some of known BOTS top scored in Aether Challenge. (as always)

lopediym and jmbetz95 scored 135
bastion2045 scored 134
Portal_Pilot scored 133

This is current jmbetz95 deck in Aether Challenge. 6/15 cards are runeless + 5/15 cards are non-Aether and 135 score... Okay...

[idle kestrel]

Wow, some of those names are almost nostalgic
Appreciate the heads-up. We might be able to do a bot pass someday in the future, but for the time being, we're focused on improving the server health

[foggy lion]

Nice bot-catch @faint seal ! Has been reported too often though so far ... still a good, additional report "on top".

[faint seal]

We're waiting patiently. I'm really curious to see who's controlling these accounts at the same time. After knowing this, I can die in peace 😁

[faint seal]

Probably another bot philippesbf from challenge fight.

[foggy lion]

Every single card played (that i manage to see ...) unruned !
That's also why this account is a definite bot. 🕵️👍
& He's also another contender for top-scores with unruned cards !
If it's an exploit, please fix it & ban them all ! Thanks.

[foggy lion]

My nowadays, personal favorite, "non-bot-account" to report.
<-> As that "player" quit the game since a month or two ...
& Definitely did not "magically re-join" a guild with "non-bot-players". 👍 😏 👍

[faint seal]

This Arena fight from last night. Played at the same time in Arena with another suspicious account TigShark and with same decks. That two accounts (Ilial171 & TigShark) are in different guilds, but I would bet they're run by the same botmaster. (Like several other bot accounts) 😏

[gentle marsh]

What’s going on here?

[faint seal]

This is a good thing. You will see always that deck on this bot account 😌

We are just waiting for Adrian for permanently cleaning 👀

[foggy lion]

Same old, repeatly reported bot-account, with 2 of his ever-used & seemingly "evergreen" unruned + maxed champions.

[faint seal]

Another suspicious from bounty 🤔

[faint seal]

Got twice another runeless deck account from Confusion Challenge

[foggy lion]

New b.g.e. & nothing new ...

Seems to be a new bot, screenshots aren't in order, but from the same battle.

[foggy lion]

"Shiny" maxed, unruned champions, alongside older champions that are actually runed.
Obvious signs for a bot-account & this one here has been around since the ages.

[faint seal]

Another suspicious runeless account from challenge (had more runeless cards in deck) 🤔

And again two known runeless bot accounts from challenge (as always) 🤷‍♂️

I'm still patiently waiting for these bot accounts to be banned from the game and main account who is simultaneously controlling these accounts to be identified 🥲

Maybe one day...

[foggy lion]

I think i encountered this account too ... 🤔 ...
Even though this account has runeless cards, when i played vs. it in arena it felt like a real player.
Therefore i keep that account in mind, but won't add it this time to the list. ✌️

[foggy lion]

Those have been reported too often, but more reports are always fine. 👍

[foggy lion]

Finally ... plays a really weird & fast-deckstyle in arena, without (almost) no defensive cards ...
I also found out that the greendia-account does have + play unruned cards !
Alongside off-b.g.e.-cards like Atlatl, this deck doesn't also make much sense for a real player either.
Maybe that's just my opinion, ... but i think almost none would go into arena without some def-cards at least.
Well ... if you do have "tools" assisitng your battles ... that changes too ...
Fought this account twice, sadly lost once, but also didn't expect an abnormal deck for a ruby-tiered-account.
Anyway ... as soon as this account had to change some cards, unruned cards also became visible.
& I shure hope that whoever "manages" this account, does change even more cards, so we can see more of them.

[foggy lion]

Another day, another report ... nothin' new. # Still participating. # Despite quitting.

[faint seal]

Does this deck look familiar for you? It's the deck set up by the "mysterious botmaster" on Ilial171 and jmbetz95 accounts and probably same deck on other accounts who runs bot accounts from different guilds simultaneously with the same deck.

I wonder when they'll see that this problem is as serious as the Oops problem. All Challenges are manipulating by a botmaster who has controlling multiple accounts across different guilds. This indifference is truly incredible.

[foggy lion]

So this is the full deck for the current challenge on the IliaL171- account ... right ... ?

& I had a feelin' ... but it may be more botmasters for all bot-accounts.
-> May. <- ... Because they all tend to play the same cards, or at least mostly the same.
& Furthermore the same cards tend to be unruned by then too.
... But we already discovered that years ago + it's one of the main reasons the entire Tectoble-guild got banned !

[faint seal]

Yes, I faced Ilial171 in this challenge too, and it was same deck with jmbetz95. Both accounts have the same deck assigned to them. I haven't encountered any other bot accounts this time, but I'm betting a few of them have the same deck assigned to them too. ame cards, same levels, and same cards are runeless. Look on your screenshots and the deck I shared. Sod level 8 and hp rune on both account. But Milax level 10 runeless, and Tethys level 10 and runeless too in both decks.

[foggy lion]

... Same leveled Sivun like greendia ...

[foggy lion]

I also did face off against this account in my bounties yet again ...

[faint seal]

From challenge (again)

[vagrant veldt]

You missed the letter in their guild name

[foggy lion]

Can't always be "on the spot" ... thanks for lettin' me know. 📝

[faint seal]

Another two (again)

[faint seal]

Another suspicious account 🤖 🤔

[foggy lion]

Got reported before. Seems to be a (new) bot that "flew under the radar" for some time.
--> # Good catch ! 🕵️

[foggy lion]

... Would have loved to seen more of that account's unruned cards ...

[foggy lion]

Same champs unruned as some other accounts.
As this account tends to always be in the "perfect score - region" with said unruned cards ...
It's also no wonder this account's Sivun is already maxed & unruned.

[faint seal]

(Again) Live Arena fight with runeless deck account 🤖

jmbetz95's deck in Chaos Redux Challenge. Scored 132 with 6/15 runeless deck 🙂🤖

[foggy lion]

... Hard to get some good footage of bots currently ... # Wonder why. ? 🤔
Many unruned, but not maxed cards. Could also be another stolen account, but i can't proof or deny that.
Hadn't "caught" this account in some time, therefore i'm happy to have seen it again in my bounties.
Was also reported before & adding another report on top always feels good ...
Just because if you report such accounts over a long(er) period of time ...
It also just shows how long those specifically didn't bother changing anything at all ...
Which also makes it more obvious that such accounts are actually bots.
<-> Especially if those still participate in current events (with automated play + cheats &/or exploits).

[foggy lion]

... Not banned yet !
Optimized play (selectable card-order & -drops), no signs of bein' a human player, ...
alongside many maxed champions & unruned cards (didn't get them all) & still lost.
How those accounts do + can even stay in ruby-tier, ... is nothin' short as (bot-)magic to me.

[foggy lion]

... Could be a new bot ... Will be put under surveilance. (OO)
Hasn't been reported so far though ... we'll see ...

[foggy lion]

Well one benefit for tryin' out a slow deck in arena, is that you might see the whole deck of bot-account(s).

... Also this account is definitely automated, as the deck hasn't been changed from goblins/mechas to the new tribe yet.
-> But that's how it usually is with such accounts, that never changed <-> because of lazy botmaster(s).

[foggy lion]

Also pretty shure this account used those cards in the last b.g.e.-combo & not this one ...

Similarities between bot-accounts do assist to indenty them & is another indicator for botmaster-control too.

[foggy lion]

Obvious bot ! Multiple b.g.e.s with multiple unruned cards. Champions & even mythics alike ... Clear indicator(s) !
(-> No matter to what extend real players, rather "caretakers" / botmasters actually + physically play such accounts !)

[foggy lion]

One of thee ( ... if not thee most obvious +) most reported bots ever ! 🦾🤖
(Screenshots sadly aren't in order & i could have taken at least 2 more too ..)

& Milestone reached : 20 reports made for this account so far ... 🎉

[faint seal]

Some of 134 scored players and 135 scored unruned deck bots. I'm also directly sharing BOT deck. 6/15 CARDS ARE UNRUNED in deck and this scored perfect(!)

(Just reminder again) These accounts need to be banned. An exploit we still don't know about is being exploited to manipulate almost every challenge rankings and this affecting other players' rewards. But I know nobody care about that and to be honest, after the last compensation disaster, I've lost hope that a solution to this problem will be found.

[foggy lion]

So ... who does that deck belong to exactly ... ?

[faint seal]

Adrian know it 😶

[foggy lion]

Current challenge, unruned (same cards) since the ages, always perfect in challenges (with such cards), reported on more then many occasions, signs of exploits including optimal playorder & bein' an obvious bot too (duh). 😵

[foggy lion]

Only one screenshot to show this time, but i didn't see many cards either ...

More to show here & both account reported this time are obvious bots anyway ...

[foggy lion]

After i took the 1st snip, game decided to put me into autoplay multiple times ...
& The timer wasn't even out + on any turn !
-> Woudn't surprise me, ... if those accounts also had an exploit for that, or let's call it battle-manipulation(s).
Oh ! They got some of those already + anyway ... 😱
Obvious bot (with upgrades) & mutiple unruned cards ! <-> Another report on top.

P.S. : If there is an actual exploit &/or cheat, that uses unruned cards as a "starting point" ...
That is actually considered "unintended" & has to be viewed as gaining an unfair advantage over real players !
Additionally anything alike isn't really what the developers had in mind either.
--> "Intentional useage" of such mechanics should lead to any such account bein' banned for good !
Anyway ... you also need to count + consider the other cheats &/or exploits they use !!
(Which didn't happen in the last two banwaves. Also it has been some time since the last one too. 🫲 😒 🫱

[foggy lion]

"Bits & Pieces" ... can't get any better reports + more screenshots a.t.m.
Non' the less ... more unruned cards in already reported accounts & that through multiple b.g.e.s.

I suspect this guild & another one (at least) to also have multiple bot-accounts !
This one here will be put "under surveilance".

[foggy lion]

"Bits and Pieces" yet again ... anyway ...

To me it seems like the botmasters decided to play less unruned cards throughout this b.g.e.-combo.
Kinda easy to explain though ... most bots do play any kind of Blackfin into Messina -spam ...
& If that's not the case ... It's Blackfin into Herald / Wyvern - spam.
... Which they do have runed since years ! <- # Was their bread & butter.
Alongside the shenanigans that do happen at the start of battle (+ onwards) with "superpowers".

[foggy lion]

Another day, another report (for this account again :

[foggy lion]

Well ... sometimes you still ge t some solid snips for bot-identification. <- # Current challenge.

[foggy lion]

Maybe a new bot ... We'll see ...

DEFINITELY NOT A NEW BOT !

[foggy lion]

The exact same cards maxed + unruned as Zayac92 ! (I had re-battles vs. them both this challenge.)
Bots that are controlled / overseen by the same botmaster(s). Please let there be another banwave soon !

[foggy lion]

Most obvious bot ever ! # L.m.f.A.o. !

[foggy lion]

Didn't see more unruned, maxed cards ... Is the most reported bot though here.
& Keep the cards in mind that are like that. The other reported accounts are matching those too.

Same here. In the past & still nowadays too, such accounts do use very similar, or even the same decks.
They named in their "gimmick", but it's obviously just a few botmasters adjusting them accordingly.

• Their used heroes do match too. # Another indicator. 🎯 🕵️🎯

[faint seal]

This is jmbetz95 Chaos Challenge deck and perfect score in 2nd day with 7 unruned cards.

Unfortunately Spellstone, besides having the "oops" problem, is also a corrupted game with like these bots. Need another ban wave.

How difficult could it be to identify the person or people bot spamming these accounts in challenges? Isn't the database showing the IP addresses or shared Kongregate ID numbers of those who logged into the accounts?

I asked Adrian about this before, but he didn't answer. I guess they don't care about this bot problem.

[foggy lion]

Well that is some nice timing ... I also encountered this obvious bot again & in the current challenge too.

Spellstone still has some bots leftover indeed. Identifying those bots & botmasters, actually isn't too hard with all the evidence here. Official support ended, so there's rather no one gettin' payed for caring anyway. At least we know that without some form(s) of assistance (cheats, exploits, wallhacks &/or hacking), any such account woudn't (kinda) always score a perfect in (almost) any event there is in this game. Tread it as a hobby, otherwise you'll burn yourself while doin' so. 🙏😇

[faint seal]

Yeah I have no expectations. (anymore)

Imagine that, maybe the mysterious botmaster is Biber 🤭

[foggy lion]

Naa ... would have already reported his arse to oblivion & back again too. 😇

[faint seal]

he is mega cheater. dodging tidal ashes in every clash 🤭

[foggy lion]

May also be a new bot ... will add this account & put in under surveilance too (OO).

• Also plays the same cards as (lower) accounts, that actually are definite bots. Just with a lower champion-count.

[foggy lion]

... On another note ... Roughly up to 10 bots &/or botmasters occupying the top 100 in arena. 📝 (~ 10%)
(Am on my current ruby-run & that's why i did check that out today.)

[mystic igloo]

no one in their right mind would use rasako unruned

[foggy lion]

--> Also has a maxed, unruned Predonyx too.
Had this account multiple times in arena just now ... & ...
Don't get discouraged &/or angry when you loose vs. any such account !
As they are using exploits + cheats to get better battle-results.
Which should include optimal card-drop-order, manipulated hand-cards & wallhacks in arena.
Alongside less noticeable hacks that such accounts may have & use.

[faint seal]

Simultaneously Arena spam with Greendia.

I've long suspected that Greendia or TigShark botting these accounts.
But I have no chance to prove it. The fact that this has gone undetected is an incredible oversight.

[foggy lion]

It definitely didn't go undetected, ... but everyone that had a chance at investigating + makin' shure &/or straight up banning these accounts for good, ... just didn't do so & the oversight felt rather intended too ! # Nothin' new ... 🔥 😏 🔥

[faint seal]

Also it's not just (Russian) accounts; there are also different Gold 1-2-3 Arena bots with high-level champions that use autobattle. Are these bots designed to match us when no opponent can be found for a while? I still don't understand this. In some PvP games, when no match is found for a long time, the game matches you with a "Bot" opponent. Has a similar coding been done in Spellstone? Because the card levels and card drop perfection strengthen the suspicion that these accounts are bots.

[foggy lion]

Nope. But i'm shure that @cinder crow &/or @mystic igloo can specify + explain in detail. 🙏

[foggy lion]

But ... bots can be found anywhere indeed. They do tend to be of the "same nature" though in most cases.

[faint seal]

Btw have you seen the scores from day 2 of the Challenge? 🤭

[foggy lion]

Nope. But my guess : "Nothin' new here" too. 😇

[foggy lion]

https://tenor.com/view/bots-hobots-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-woody-gif-17120878

[faint seal]

After see that, I checked jmbetz95 and saw score 45. The day 2 fights hadn't been played yet, but if it had been played, score would probably have been 90 as well. I also checked a deck; as usual, 7 runeless cards.

[foggy lion]

Different bot-masters. = Different set times & programming for events.
But ... that doesn't have to be the case, ... one botmaster can just adjust them as needed.
More variety. = Less obvious too.

[foggy lion]

Didn't see more cards, ... should be enough, ... especially because of this account's history so far.

[foggy lion]

Man ... i'm glad i stayed a bit longer then usual in arena ... 🔥 🙏 🔥
Just to show you a reason why many russians do play at the same time :
"Cheating in PVP-games &/or games with PVP-aspects, especially using multiple accounts (multiboxing/botting) is used for unfair advantages, like resource farming or coordinated attacks. It's common and often involves AI-driven setups or scripting."
--> # Just something to share with you. & ... Which leads me to believe :

https://tenor.com/view/small-tiny-little-too-small-not-huge-gif-25307813

[foggy lion]

Another report for this account. Reported by HeroRyRy. Also thanks for the permission.
#spellstone-general message

[foggy lion]

Currently just plays 1 unruned champion in his current b.g.e.-deck.
Still worth mentioning as this account is partly automated & is also a (highly) suspected botmaster too !

... Did loose this time vs. an optimized droporder, ... but at least i managed to see the whole deck. 👌

[foggy lion]

The first account was in the current challlenge & the second one was a battle in arena just now.
Tend to have the exact same cards unruned & they also do play with optimized playorder.
I also kinda knew that Mortagan had to come after Archeron was played too. 🧠
(Because of the cards they all play & it was their best + optimal counter in that situation too.)

[faint seal]

New -suspicious- account for the list. (screenshots from Flash challenge) Also, I don't remember encountering this account in any challenge before. It's interesting how it miraculously appeared 🙄

[foggy lion]

One maxed, unruned champion is already enough to make out some obvious bot(s).

I also encountered a new account during my bounties today, that is at least worth mentioning here ...
Almost forgot : All cards played were unruned !

[foggy lion]

May be a new one ...

[foggy lion]

So many unruned cards ! So many reports ! Not banned yet ! # Awesome ! 😱 !

[foggy lion]

Current Challenge. Multiple, maxed & unruned champions. (Screenshots not in order.)

[foggy lion]

One Two solid bot-report ... yet again ... & one "Bits and Pieces".
They still tend to play arena at the same times to boost their accounts. + Which is also an exploit they use.
& They also have the same unruned champions too, which is a clear indicator for a botmaster.
Here are the reported & caught accounts for today :

[foggy lion]

Bot + Ban ! ( ... Oh ! This account is "still quitting" since some time & isn't playin' the game anymore either. )

[foggy lion]

Sadly didn't see more this time, ... still enough to see & verify an obvious bot, that needs to be banned !

[foggy lion]

... # Another day + # Another report.

[faint seal]

From Challenge (first 2 drop set very funny)

@foggy lion 🙄😁 (Advice your teammate to use rune on Sivun)

[foggy lion]

... Well ... i will take both accounts into the reports for now, until cleared. 👍

• I already messaged JokerBru in our chats & hopefully he'll react / reply soon. 👌

[foggy lion]

Also a "key difference" between a played account & a bot - / cheat - one is clearly visible when :

• The normal account doesn't have any / too many benefits & feels kinda easy to beat (at times) &/or feels just normal.
• The suspicious account plays all the optimal cards vs. your possible setup & it feels like cheating. 🤯
  Which includes as far as i'm concerned :
• Wallhacks (<-- all cards can be seen at any time).
• Manipulated playorder (<-- any card in that account's deck can be selected + played).
• Other exploits that are more subtle & can't be detected (right away).
  Just managed to experience that in arena, where it seems it's " 🇷🇺 - rush hour " yet again ...
  --> Just remeber :
• There's nothin' to do vs. such mom's basement-warriors with too much free time & an inferior-superiority-complex on top.
  (If you can't (easily) reach them physically &/or if that would take more effort then usual too.)
  + Also glad to see ... that the players, ... which have infiltrated other alliances aren't such accounts ... ... ... a.t.m. 👌

[foggy lion]

#spellstone-general message
One more report added here. As this account seems to play weird, it's gonna be added to "under surveilance".
(# Until cleared &/or confirmed.)

I did go ahead & removed an account from the list.
--> c.ra.g26 (<-- Had to type it that way with some dots,) seems to be a real player, depsite havin' some unruned cards.
Also sorry that this action took longer then usual, ... i just re-checked the entire list today in detail.

😅 ✌️

[faint seal]

@still portal Thank you for the report. I've never encountered this account before too and also I haven't seen this account in top 100 list before. Definitely suspicious but I can't say directly it is a bot account. So, my personal guess is it might be an old account that has recently returned to the game. Because for bot accounts to remain in Ruby with such low-level cards or unruned cards, they need to be constantly active in Arena simultaneously with other bot accounts. And we know most of these bot accounts; they are active in Arena and play with almost same decks. Let's keep following him, maybe we will catch more suspicious things, like perfect drop orders or high level but unruned champs etc.

[still portal]

Glad to help, ill let you guys know if I encounter any more bots

Is comdev able to ban bots?

[foggy lion]

I think they would have done that long ago ... so no ... sadly ...
Even the proper devs & their representives were at least hesistant to ban basically anyone in the past too !
Only because of the combined complains of the entire playerbase, or at least what we could come up with ...
Lead to more then one banwave happening + improved countermeasures.
Most of us don't know what those are specifically, as no one disclosed such information ever, including me.
We are not missing too many of those bots, but most botmasters & their associates are still here !
One more banwave would be nice to see & if most ot the listed accounts here get perma-banned, we're kinda "o.k." by then.

[foggy lion]

Just got told that JokerBru has his Sivun runed now. So ... i'll take him of the list too. 👍

Current challenge, day 2, screenshots aren't in order.

[foggy lion]

10 cards seen, 6 cards unruned, definite bot, needs to be banned in the next banwave for shure !

... Is also the most reported account here, since the last banwave happened ...

[faint seal]

suspicious(?) unruned account with L5-6 champs

[foggy lion]

--> # Ditto / Same as my last report. --> Obvious bot-account. ; Ban a.s.a.p. !

[foggy lion]

Also one of the most obvious bots ever !

Has been a while since i managed to fight this account here ...
Almost all cards are unruned & i didn't even see the full deck !

[foggy lion]

"Last battle magic" in my solo-clash, with multiple unruned cards (as usual). 🧙‍♂️
P.S. : For whom it may concern : A champion that has been runed once, can't be unruned again. 📝

[still portal]

Another bot

[foggy lion]

Another WELL KNOWN bot indeed. 😏👌

[foggy lion]

Just like one man once said ... "No real player plays an unruned Rasako" & has that champion almost maxed too !
! Be aware though ... ! It's a partly played & partly automated account, that's also the reason why it won't get banned.
--> # The more you know ... # Kongregate's policy. # 💩👍

[faint seal]

1st one needs to be banned. Whenever I face with that unruned bot, drops are usually 2-1 or 3-2-1 set. (2nd picture just a suspicious for now)

I'm allergic to any account that has unruned card(s).

[foggy lion]

May not be a really bad opinion, ... but ... not every such account is a definite bot either. ✌️

[faint seal]

Actually, all the suspicions are irrelevant lol. "Policies" consider bots as normal and harmless accounts.

[foggy lion]

I can top that statement & say : Nothin' that happens here actually matters & everything is fine too.

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-dog-meme-coffee-gif-16502320

With that said ...

Seems to be a new one, ... but it also kinda "rings a bell" too ...

Obvious bot & do not worry lads, ... i still beat that account. # Daffdal + B4RN4B1 = O.P.

Had more cards unruned, but i hesitated ... Has been reported before though & i just realized that !

Let's all hope our favorite "multi-agent" didn't actually get banned, but instead is on a break a.t.m. 🤞

[faint seal]

@vagrant veldt is that your account?

[foggy lion]

I can confirm + say : Yes, it is. 👍

[faint seal]

this is miracle, how didnt drop 1d atlatl after maglheqet? 🤭

[foggy lion]

Well ... with Ivan it isn't that far off. 🤭

[faint seal]

ah yeah lol

[foggy lion]

As this account is in the actual report-list "for ages" (because of myself) & is also known to infiltrate swap in & out of multiple guilds,~~ to gather more intel & open the door for more "recruits" too,~~ i really hope doubt he got banned. 🤔

[faint seal]

you mean qpm right?

[foggy lion]

It's basically the same person here. QPM / Yesterday? / dgagernaut / Whatever. So ... yes, correct.
If you want to read the report on it, it's on the bottom, quite near the possible + reported botmasters.
& That report hasn't been touched by anyone since a year or two either ...

But ... just maybe it's his secondary bot-account here what we're lookin' at ... just maybe ... 🫲👀🫱
Let's hope that he'll clear it up by himself & why that account has unruned cards too.

https://tenor.com/view/fingers-crossed-gif-please-gif-26797991

[faint seal]

Yes I saw it before. (has been there for a long time.) While I respect your long-standing observations and experience in the game, I'm refraining from making negative comments about someone I'm in the same guild with for now. (I know you'll understand what I mean.)

Frankly, what disgusts me most about this isn't the bot accounts or the people suspected of controlling them, but the Kongregate official(s) who don't want to do anything about it. The only thing that comes to mind is: are they turning --a blind eye-- to these accounts now, to avoid losing active players in events due to the decreasing number of active players in the game? (If that's what you call politics.)

even if they're harmful, let them keep playing, otherwise the game will die. 🤔

[vagrant veldt]

no it's not, Yerse asked me before

[foggy lion]

O.k. fine. But why does QPM-post(s) do come back as yours then, here on Discord ?
Seems & feels like a BIG coincidence to me ... at least ...

[vagrant veldt]

one of my nicknames

[foggy lion]

That's fine, but doesn't quite answer the question here, especially as there are no similar accounts here.
(Maybe actually someone else does indeed also use that quite unusual nickname of yours, ... who knows ...)

Well ... anyway ... then i'll just treat it as a seperate report & account.

👍 😎👍

[foggy lion]

& Just so YOU know, ... the "negative comments" or rather the reports made here, are based on reason & facts.
The current alliance of any account here, doesn't quite matter to me ...
& I'd sell any armada-bot out if there actually would be at least one ! 🕵️
But the longer you do this stuff & also perform such reports ...
The more obvious such things do become over time, especially when any such account has been confirmed to have stayed + played, in the biggest bot-alliance ever & that since months <-> years, here in Spellstone.
+1 ; Kongregate is more then awful in this matter here.
-1 ; The game won't die just because "associates" also do get "reprimanded". # Game is dying since years & # still is.

[faint seal]

What do you think about these unruned accounts like lopediym, illial, portal pilot, jmbetz, tigshark, bastion, zayac, kripton etc.

Do you have a theory as to why they weren't banned?

[foggy lion]

Just a small advice from me : Maybe that's more of an "individual chat-topic" for the both of you & shoudn't be done here.

[faint seal]

Why, isnt here "bot spot" ?

Maybe he'd like to talk about something related to these accounts.

[foggy lion]

Well ... it's basically up to you & Yesterday?
Was just an advice given from my perspective to you both.
Your call to make.

👍

I'm off for today anyway. 👋

[faint seal]

For example: How is it possible for cards without runes to score highly in events always? (One of the things I'm most curious about)

[foggy lion]

https://tenor.com/view/nouns-dao-nounish-noggles-glasses-gif-17363264534262240795

--> # CHEATERS + BOTS EVERYWHERE.

[foggy lion]

Like this one here ...

[still portal]

What's the deal with Russian guilds botting

[foggy lion]

They had almost all their accounts automated, alongside more cheats & exploits they all used.
They even had an entire guild banned & only the few leftover "members" remained.
Only after those bots took even the top 2 spot in the entire game with unruned cards ...
& Only after the backlash from the community, Kongregate decided to finally take action !
Two banwaves happened. --> Before that real players (like myself) were "silenced" & "witchhunted".
Just because we shoudn't make any accusations against them & were basically shut down.
We still have a few bots & botmasters + remaining players of them left here in Spellstone.
& One of the only reasons why they don't get banned alltogether is that :
If a real player, or rather botmaster can log-in, play & respond to any such account in any way, it's considered as "fine".
That's also why we have the spot-on mecha-champion Tectoble today, as this card is basically a callback to their top-bot-guild (that got banned) & also a really good lore-addition to what actually happened in this game too.
They have done this for years & some players that (recently) responded in this (entire) topic here, are without a doubt (former) member(s) & still are in some way or another affiliated with "the remains" + even today.
Also ... why after all that actually happend, some guilds decide to take them into their own ranks nowadays, is (at least to myself) more then just mindblowing to me ! But ... you got'ta say : They have skilled "Tectoble-agent(s)" 'non the less.
🥷 + 🤖 = 💪

[foggy lion]

Or this one here :

[foggy lion]

Here's hopin' you had a good chat mate. 😎

[foggy lion]

If Yesterday? didn't reply &/or answer your question before :
"& One of the only reasons why they don't get banned alltogether is that :
If a real player, or rather botmaster can log-in, play & respond to any such account in any way, it's considered as "fine"."
This is not an assumption, this is a confirmed fact. Based on evidence, feedback + given information & of course policy.

P.S. : This topic here is in fact also the --> 2nd topic <-- of this nature & the 1st "Bot Spot" got "shut down" !
... So we all bascially lost valid & valueable information, or at least the access to it !
Especially to what exactly happened in the prior banwaves ! # Some still remember quite clearly though. 🧠

😬

[faint seal]

I have no idea why he didn't answer, actually I don't care so much. If the game authorities don't care about this situation, any response we get from them won't help us. And (I hope) you're not expecting anyone to say, "Yes, I cheated or I'm still cheating." 😉🙄

[foggy lion]

I didn't expect anything actually & i already expected this outcome too.
I had my fare share of any such "tounge-tango(s)" with him & more of his kind too.
At least a very selected few of them do indeed have silver tounges.
... Quite odd ... especially if you do combo that with Manipulation &/or Deception.
Fun fact for your memory : All of them even denied the most obvious charges !
& They also defended ALL banned accounts very viciously too !

For the record : I'm doin' this as a "hobby", but i'm doin' that since roughly 3-6 years now ...
Anything that is mentioned by me here is factual & doesn't include any lies as far as i'm concerned.
& I cleary won't forget all the awful things that happened before, especially not anything bot-related.
So ... whatever i will say here, is never based on anything else then what actually has happened.

[faint seal]

I know bro you, I feel same what you are feel.

I have nothing to say about (QPM) Dgagernaut. If he doesn't want to respond, that's his choice. Frankly, if I were him, and there was any doubt about me, I would do everything I could to clarify. If there are still people who don't believe me, I would try to show my good intentions by approaching them in a friendly manner. But there's nothing I can do for those who still don't believe me. Maybe that's his situation, or vice versa, maybe he has nothing to say, or maybe he said everything he needed to say before and is now tired of these accusations, which is also possible. I quit the game during the big ban wave and wasn't here. Since I don't know the process of his account being reopened and what kind of explanation he gave during that time, I'm refraining from making a definitive and inconsistent comment.

[foggy lion]

Your choice. As you don't know everything.
I won't stay quiet & i also will call them all out openly too.
No matter what they'll do in response.
& I bet : They are wating behind their screen for an opportunity to get me (chat-)banned here.
Good that you (--> also <--) know, he was banned (at least) once before ...
Even if that wasn't permanent. Because that alone, does already make it look "suspicious" enough.
--> # The more you know ... 🧑‍⚖️

👍 😏 👍

[foggy lion]

https://tenor.com/view/once-a-cheater-always-a-cheater-cheater-unfaithful-paige-hausburg-siesta-key-gif-11387285

[foggy lion]

Unnamed account from Skittles. Will be put under (OO) --> Please fix a.s.a.p.

Just played vs. this bot in arena. Multiple reports, multiple champions unruned, definite bot !
Last screenshot was taken after i deliberately let the timer run down for multiple turns ...
No reaction or whatsoever from this account, even with almost no cards left on it's side of the field !
Alongside the exact pre-programmed time that is set for every turn to play a card.

[faint seal]

I feel like I'm a bot magnet LOL... in Challenges, in Clashes, in Bruges😶‍🌫️

[foggy lion]

May be also a new one ...

This one here isn't !

Please let your teammates know & instruct them to rune their cards too.

[faint seal]

Ivan might be better than runeless with fervor rune🙄

[still portal]

a bot in dp?

[faint seal]

I don't think so. It is probably an alt account that isn't used much active, or a real player but just a bit lazy.

• or, a third and very low possibility: maybe he has no slivers for crafting fervor rune🙄

[foggy lion]

--> Will try to let him know to rune his cards whenever possible. ✌️

[foggy lion]

You have to remember :
As soon as Zulkarneyn sees any unruned card(s) in a deck, his bot-alarm goes of nowadays. 😅

[foggy lion]

Small update : Coudn't contact him directly, but i posted a message, that should be relayed to him. 😏👌

[cyan monolith]

No, it’s a real player, active on our discord. I’ll let him know by the way!

[foggy lion]

Yeah ... i knew too & didn't add him to the reports either, thanks for the relay & assistance here.

I know that this account has more unruned cards, but didn't get the chance to fight vs. it again.
Please do inform your unnamed teammates & let them know to rune their cards !
(Hopefully this isn't one of the accounts that "recently joined" from the 🇷🇺 - federation ...)

One more for a definite bot-account, which has been reported "into oblivion & back" !

[faint seal]

Thank you for assistance.

@foggy lion Also thank you. I reported your screenshot on our channel.

[foggy lion]

Got another unamed account here from a different guild !
I also do remember that the last one also had the same champion unruned (+ maybe even on the same level).
As said before ... please relay, fix & also let us know if there's an update too. Thanks.

[faint seal]

Update: Account kicked from Kinderdraken.

Another suspicious one. Unruned cards with high/max level champs.

[foggy lion]

I think i played vs. this account / player in arena before & i'm reasonably shure it's not a bot either ...
But ... i'm not certain (without doubt), therefore until "we meet next time". --> (OO)

[faint seal]

Allergy🤭

you know...

[foggy lion]

--> # One usual suspect bot. 🤖

--> # Another One of the usual suspects bots. 🤖

... & "Miraculously" they do have the same champions unruned + maxed too, with some minor differences.
Alongside the exact same hero in use, ... which leads me to believe that those are controlled by the same botmaster.
Which also "covers" for them, if there ever will be another banwave. So ... they won't get banned again ...
Despite the more then obvious evidence & the myriad of reports so far. # Greater decisions made, by great people. 🤢

[faint seal]

And here is another bot account jmbetz95's deck. (I can bet that the other two accounts have the same deck/cards. In different guilds but same decks. That's the --another proof-- about there is a botmaster in Spellstone and botting these accounts with same decks.)

Or, as you say, maybe just simply "miraculously"🙄

[foggy lion]

... Another day, another obvious bot ... # Nothin' new here. 🙏

[faint seal]

🤔🤖

[foggy lion]

Had more champions unruned & i didn't take more pictures at battle-start ...
Thought maybe this account just had maybe 1 unruned card & that's why i hesitated for a moment.

Just maybe ... because of the "enhancements" ... we do have nowadays ...
Some new <-> mid-level players can't keep up with actually rune-ing their cards ... 🤔
But ... we also have "buffs" for those too nowadays.
Anyway ... will add it to "Under Surveilance" (OO) & we'll see if that changes over time &/or someone clears the account.

[foggy lion]

After weeks nothin' changed here. Also the russian-bots are all in arena at the same time too ...
To boost their ranks through other accounts they have automated. # Another exploit used !

Same here. Also i've never seen them have a bad starting hand &/or use a bad card in years either ...
Clear signs for use of cheats. Most likely including :

• Maniplulated playorder beyond what's possible. So to say : Every card can be played at all times.
• Wallhack(s) : Also every card can be seen at any given time.
• Optimal playorder : Based on the two other things in use here, perfect card-drop-order can be achieved.
  Same hero here again + same cards used, clear signs of a botmaster in control / "care" of those accounts on top !

But ... nothin' changed here either ... ; @Kongregate :

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-cares-spongebob-rainbow-gif-10543522

--> # No $$$ made = No effort made either ! # Awesome. 🌈 😇👍 🌈

[faint seal]

Another two unruned weird decks from different guilds.

[faint seal]

🤔

By the way, great BOT domination in challenge ranking. Nice corruption🤮

[still portal]

Very strange bot? I found in arena... many unruned cards, but 2 cards with tribal health...

[foggy lion]

Mhmhm ... i will add this account to the reports too ...
But ... "Normal bots" don't spend $$$ &/or even more so, rune their cards with tribal-runes !
Seems more like a new player, which can't rune every of their cards yet.
--> Same could be said about some other accounts mentioned here just recently ...
But it never hurts to keep them "Under Surveilance" for some time.

To top it off : Bots only use viable <-> optimal runes ! Doesn't seem like a bot to me ! 😬
But ... for now we see how it will go in future events & over time. 👌

[still portal]

but how did a new player get tribal runes? even i dont have any yet

arent they only from dungeon?

[faint seal]

I think it is an old account and not so active. Btw I think I remember a long time ago, free tribe rune were given away for once. But it was random rune or a spesific tribe rune I can't remember that. (I got free Angel THP) Cat probably remember better.

[foggy lion]

Nope. You can also get them with the special event - package, where you can choose them.
By then you get two of those tribal - runes on a r.n.g. - basis.

As said on top : No bot or botmaster would rune those two cards with tribal runes, or more so any veteran player.
But ... "on the off -chance" i'm wrong here, even a botmaster could have selected + runed those cards !

[foggy lion]

I would also say no to an "old account", but that account may be indeed inactive.
+1 , Yeah. You're right i think we all got a chance at a such a rune once before, may be even a set rune at that time.

Let's just see how that account does over time, ... if the deck & runes aren't changed :
It's most likely an inactive account, that runed it's card's kinda bad & we can remove it from the list by then.
Likewise with the other accounts, ... as bots to tend to play everyday & at all times. # Bots don't sleep.

[faint seal]

🤔

[foggy lion]

Another report for an already known account. 🦾🤖

... & It is also the account from a "real player" that also got "defended" by our known "multi-agent" ...
Which "miraculously" joined shortly aftewards, into his already known "home".
& Still "is playin'" Spellstone today + without any issues whatsoever ... # After officially "quittin' for good".

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-981722498045184172

[faint seal]

Nothing changed on these.

@foggy lion Maybe if you want to warn your teammate, I'm leaving the screenshot here.

[foggy lion]

Well ... i think he was in another guild before joining to SS R3VIDED ...
Will see if i can even contact him ...
But ... this account & a similar sounding one are both faced by me on a regular basis in arena. --> # Real players. <--

Also sadkermit001 wasn't even reported so far ... 😅✌️

[faint seal]

Weird deck. Unruned cards with level 9-10 champions❔

[still portal]

Obvious bot

[foggy lion]

I can also add a "small detail" here ...
This account was definitely in lower ruby-tier yesterday. So ... the botmasters used this account to "boost" their other partly played / partly automated accounts higher ! --> Unfair, unintended advantage = Exploit. 🙏

[still portal]

I wish I could get ruby, I dont know how these bots get in there

[foggy lion]

As mentioned before (the short version): Cheats & Exploits, which then leads to even more of those.
& Don't worry ... you'll get there ... someday. 😎

[foggy lion]

--> # One more. 📝

--> Also ... one more. 📝

Also ... the russians are together in arena again ! Boosting multiple of their accounts !
Only possibly (in my opinion) when there are a few botmasters & bots together !

🧑‍💻 ⛓️ 🤖 💪

[still portal]

Obvious bot

[foggy lion]

Mhmh ... Seems like a very new player to me. This account also uses e.runes too.
Doesn't seem like a bot to me. I'll add it, ... but just because an account has multiple unruned cards ...
Doesn't make it an obvious bot either !

• Hasn't been reported once so far too ...

[foggy lion]

"Long-time-partly-automated-obvious-bot-account" & just another report on top. 😬

[foggy lion]

Just want to point out that even in multiple battles & on different days, drop-order remains consistent on those accounts ! Therefore it seems also rather pre-programmed & that to an unual extent too !

This one here could be a new one "in the making", even if it will not be a bot at all times ... # We'll see ...
+ As i updated & moved the list to be the newest post here, this account has been reported before too !

[foggy lion]

Kremen777 will be removed from the reports soon, ... hasn't been reported again & it's not a bot-account up 'til now either.

[faint seal]

I'd use it with scorch rune🌝

[foggy lion]

Will let him know, thanks for sharing. 👍

[foggy lion]

Seems at least suspicious ... 🕵️ ... + Not the first report either ! 👌

& Russians in arena again with optimzed droporder & probably exploiting each other's accounts too ! 🇷🇺 🤖 🇷🇺

[faint seal]

combo is so funny with runeless cards

this account suspicious for me

[foggy lion]

Small update here :
He knows + responded & said he didn't bother runing underused cards, ... at least 'til now ...
He re-checked his inventory & also runed his cards too. 👍

[foggy lion]

A bot that has "escaped" a perma-ban more then once ... + "magically" ! 🧙‍♂️
( An old spellstone-sayin' : "Nobody listens & checks ! What to expect ... when there are only blind eyes & deaf ears !?" )

I'd use it with basically any rune ... 🌝

[still portal]

I've never seen such a high level bot before 😂 max level end game champ too

[foggy lion]

... When you can "cultivate" those for years ... & no one that is able to ban them actually cares ...
& Soon they'll have said maxed endgame-champions ! As these bots tend to have perfect-scores in any challenge !

[faint seal]

@snow yacht

[still portal]

How do they do so good with unruned cards?

[faint seal]

They're probably manipulating the matches and card drops. Several accounts are being operated simultaneously. With the same decks and the same cards. If you follow the ranking table, you'll notice that the same accounts appear on the list at the same time with scores of 134-135.

[still portal]

How can they manipulate card drops?

[faint seal]

I have no idea how they're doing it. Maybe it's a bot program, or they're exploiting an unknown game vulnerability.

[still portal]

I see, a shame they cant get banned

[faint seal]

We know that extra HP is very important especially in certain challenges. Getting 135 score with runeless cards (cards without HP buff) can't be explained by sim skill or gameplay skill alone.
Even players who have been playing the game for years and possess the best card pools sometimes fail to achieve a score of 135 in these challenges. This naturally provides evidence that bot scores are abnormal. The fact that the same accounts appear on the ranking table simultaneously further strengthens these suspicions.

[faint seal]

I had made a suggestion about this to Adrian, but he wasn't interested. What constitutes shameful in Spellstone is a bit debatable. In my opinion, condoning corruption is also shameful🙄

[snow yacht]

This player has a rune on their kluum now, it seems

I think this has gone too far, suspecting every player that doesn't have a rune on one card? This feels like the witch hunt that WIMC explicitly said she didn't want to start in this thread...

I'm sure Kong has tools to look for bots?

I hope for bots to be banned, especially because the oops problems are getting bad again, but there's clearly nothing being accomplished in this thread? WIMC doesn't even work for Kong anymore, sadly

[faint seal]

Thank you for your help 👌

[faint seal]

Nah he didnt mean bot for this account

We occasionally warn each other about our teammates' runeless cards, that's all.

[foggy lion]

By using cheats & exploits. If you scroll upwards you also find some explanations for those too. 🤓

[faint seal]

Lazy players sometimes forget to use runes on their cards. It's really funny, but unfortunately it's true.

[foggy lion]

They can ! But because of some Kongregate-policy-issues, they won't ! Sadly ... 💔
I also gave some explanation on those too in this topic.

[foggy lion]

& To top it off : They do score that in (almost) all challenges.

[foggy lion]

Well ... as long as someone isn't told &/or get's put in charge of such things ... nothin' will happen ...

💸

[foggy lion]

Well ... it's only a small playerbase that get's reported & if we can disproof such reports, even better.
& It's not witchhunting + you also didn't care for some time (# years) either ...
So ... if we keep it as a "hobby", please also do refrain from makin' such claims in the first place ! Thanks.

[foggy lion]

Doesn't matter to me, as i said it's my personal "hobby" & even if this topic get's closed, i will just post it elsewehere + continue. # As i always have. Also ... no one seems to care actually, but that's no reason to stop reporting suspicious accounts.

[foggy lion]

I didn't mean proven player either ...

[faint seal]

What is proofen?

[foggy lion]

Sorry ... my mistake : Proven. ❕ 😱 ❕

[faint seal]

hmm sorry to hear that

[foggy lion]

It's what it is ... & if you didn't want to hear that specifically ... it's my own thoughts & that won't easily change.

--> # You can't make everyone happy ...

🤷‍♂️

More importantly : I'll remove that unnamed account from the reports & list of suspicious accounts. 👍

[faint seal]

Amen🙄

[foggy lion]

P.S. : Which aren't effective enough to get rid of them all ! 🎯 # Painly obvious ! 😭

[faint seal]

Did you see this account before in Arena or Challenge top score rank?

[foggy lion]

Nope. But what does this have to do with my report made ... ?

[faint seal]

What evidence do you have to justify adding it to the bot list?

[foggy lion]

Doesn't mean i can report such accounts, like you normally do ... or can't i ... ??

[foggy lion]

Well ... a unruned card is already enough to be suspicious of any such account & on top it's a still unnamed account too ! So based on my experience with bots over the years, i reported + added it here.

To bad that this account happened to be in your alliance, but it's not the first one either !

[faint seal]

I didn't call the Armada player I encountered, who plays with runeless cards, a "bot." Saying "unproven" is an implication of botting. If you don't have evidence to support your claim, implying that every account is a bot is a mental illness.

[foggy lion]

I also don't like the fact that previously banned accounts &/or player (especially from the russians) also joined in your "family" some time ago !

[faint seal]

Maybe you have some...🫥

nvm lol

[foggy lion]

Well ... i don't actually do that ... But it seems you want it to be that way. # Make me look bad on paper.

😎 👌

[faint seal]

Names?

you must be more clear

[foggy lion]

Nope. I do keep track & also report any such accounts a.s.a.p. !

[foggy lion]

Well ... to make you happy, ... just one for you : Yesterday? / dgagernaut. 🦾🤖

--> Proven multi-agent & good at "infiltration-tactics" too.

Also has been banned before too.

( But he should have talked it over with your leadership & they seem to have concluded : It's still fine. 👍 )

🙏

P.S. : Was also in Tectoble too, for years & somehow managed to save this account from bein' perma-banned !

🧙‍♂️

You gotta admit, that takes some effort + skill ...

[faint seal]

I have no problem being happy my friendo. Dgagernaut okay... Lets talk something.

Prove to me that my teammate is a bot. Do you have concrete evidence? You still have him on your "LIST", but have you witnessed him consistently achieving perfect scores in challenges or bot play in Arena, or perfect auto card drops with weird cards? Saying "he was previously banned" isn't enough; his account reopened. For example, have you asked Adrian or WIMC about this? Have you received any information about why the account was reopened?

[foggy lion]

He's not a bot ... but was one of the ones that had their almost entire bot-guild banned before !
He's rather a botmaster ... if ...
Also not any of the previous devs did &/or does disclose such information, because that would definitely proof such accusations + most likely lead to a real witchhunt by then too ! 🧑‍🌾

[snow yacht]

of course I don't know the player from before they joined us, but from what I've personally seen, dgagernaut has occasionally missed guild war battles, and even forgot to log in for multiple days and missed out on brawl rewards. none of that behavior looks suspicious to me, so this again feels like a really weird accusation and feels like a witch hunt.

[foggy lion]

Maybe he did change his ways ... fine then ...

[faint seal]

Maybe🌚

[foggy lion]

Based on what happened before + how he switched multiple guilds in between ...
& Always seemed to go back to 🇷🇺 ...
It's no wonder i do keep him in "high regards" !

• He also viciously defended said banned accounts, alongside some of his former guildmates !
  ( --> From the 1st official banwave ! )
  The access to those chats has been closed off by Adrian ...
  But i clearly do remember & I WILL NOT FORGET ! 🧠

[faint seal]

By the way, if I have to give a --personal opinion--: If I were in charge, I wouldn't accept/invite any previously banned player, or an account (like jmbetz) controlled by a mysterious botmaster whose identity I don't know, into the Guild. But unfortunately, there are too many "well-meaning" people in the Family, and their good intentions can be ridiculed by too many talkative people.

But I'm not a leader and I can't kick them🤷‍♂️

[foggy lion]

Also fun fact : I was the "best bot-hunter" during these ban-waves & also got told so by the Devs !

🕵️

... Just so you know ... even if i can't proof it (for shure), it still also isn't based on "nothing" either !

& I had my fare share of such vicious + prolonged chats with multiple of them russians in the past !

[faint seal]

I wish you had also asked the Devs who told you this why some of the accounts were reopened. Perhaps they would explain the situation to the best hunter lol.

Did you ask?

[foggy lion]

I already mentioned that before ...

[foggy lion]

Yes ... i did ... of course ...

Basically ...

[faint seal]

What was the answer?

[foggy lion]

Any such reported &/or banned account can be un-banned, if there's a player-response of some kind ...

So ...

It only takes a small reply in some form, towards the devs ... & they also say it's fine.
( --> Alongside whatever they may decide to do with any such account. # Based on the provided informations. )

👌

--> # Kongregate's policy ( - issues ).

👍 😎 👍

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-dog-meme-coffee-gif-16502320

[faint seal]

Then I think you should add Devs members to your list as well🤤

[foggy lion]

& They gave us some "piece of mind" on top, with their absolutely awesome "protection(s)" against future cases of bots &/or anything alike ...

😬

[foggy lion]

They just do what they are told to & nothin' more ... # Hands tied. <-> # Money matters more.

🙏

I just want to make shure, that you all know ... I'm doin' this since years & also still remember those days !

& I was accused of "witchhunting" on multiple occasions & i was about to be banned too !
Some years ago when Shiva was still in charge of Spellstone & he openly admitted to "bots are fine" !
<-- In the official Kongregate-forums back some years ago !
So ... Please do not call it witchhunting, when many or rather most accounts here are at least suspicious.
--> Or rather still obviously not perma-banned bot-accounts ! Thanks again ! 😅✌️

[foggy lion]

LmfAo ! Seems the botmasters do actually check out what's written here ... lol !
You think rune-ing some cards now with e.runes, will make any difference !?
You kiddin' ?! After all the reports made so far ... BIG FAT LOL ! # Made my spellstone-day !

😇

[foggy lion]

Another obvious bot, reported into oblivion & back ... & also back again ... 😫 ...

... Also seems like that they have set their accounts to drop Ashanti first, ... for whatever reason there might be ...
--> Just another small detail you might want to watch out for. 🔍

• Seems like the botmaster in charge of jmbetz95 does really take care of this account nowadays ...
  As soon as this account joined to a big guild-alliance & after it "quit" for good ...
  It seems that we finally can have some "piece of mind". # No more unruned cards ! # Yay ! 🎉

[foggy lion]

Nothin' has changed here. Also a bot that has been around since the ages ...

... & Even if something changes, ... it's still a bot-account ! 🤯 # Lol !

[foggy lion]

Has been reported before (i re-checked) & has -> more <- unruned cards, which are also in use. 📝

[still portal]

Another day another bot

[foggy lion]

Portal_Pilot & IliaL171 are now tied for 1st, with the most reports made here. 🏎️ 💨💨

[foggy lion]

Had a double -encounter with this account in the current challenge. Almost all cards are unruned !

[foggy lion]

The Hero_Of_Twylight had almost all cards in play unruned !
(Just the two cards i could see after those were runed.)

[foggy lion]

What to expect from a "Legacy-bot-account", ... even the epics are used unruned ! # LMFAO !

... Next battle ! Same issues + same deck too !

[still portal]

Impressive you managed to win with a few legendary cards

[foggy lion]

I only lost to a TA-teammember this time again ... & only 1 star too, ... so the perfect eludes me here again ...
It never said you aren't allowed to use some legendaries &/or mythics.
--> As you already pointed out, i only use a few ... but they do make a difference when it counts.

[still portal]

Everyone loses perfect 135 to TA 😅

[thorn bluff]

Where do you find all these bots? 😅

[foggy lion]

Had battles vs. those accounts in the current challenge.
No real player would use multiple unruned cards ! Especially if those happen to be here since years !

[thorn bluff]

That's true, I wouldn't.

[thorn bluff]

By the way, it's a funny coincidence that a month ago I practically never used Rare and Epic runes. I considered them a useless gimmick. I only used Legendary ones, so I didn't have any runes on half the cards.

Luckily, I came to my senses and immediately noticed a boost in efficiency.

[foggy lion]

That's true ... & i know that not every account or rather player with such a case here ...
Doesn't have all cards runed & it also doesn't need to be l.runes at all given times either ...
Accounts that are here since years & never runed their cards + score way too high in most events ...
Especially challenges & alike, with all the reports that were done up to this point of time ...
During multiple b.g.e.s & also multiple years & multiple topics too, ... are just what they are at this point:
Obvious bots, that tend to also share the same botmaster(s) & rune-ing those cards now, won't change that !
Even if they never get banned & will also most likely survive the next banwave too (if we ever have one) ...
Just because Kongregate (or whatever they're called nowadays) has to follow their set policies.

https://tenor.com/view/yes-wink-gotcha-you-tube-thanks-gif-19039548

[thorn bluff]

You're like that guy in the myth who pushes a rock up a mountain.

Tremendous work.

[foggy lion]

Thank you ! # Since years ... 🪨🫷😓👍
(I'd hope more would join in & help, ... but with what little is given back, no wonder i'm almost alone here.)
Recently a few new "detectives" have joined in & i hope they'll keep it up too ! 🕵️

[thorn bluff]

Probably a bot?

All the cards are 10, the runes are placed mindlessly, and it plays automatically. That's probably why I won.

[still portal]

That guy runs the same deck every bge, could be real but he probably chose 15 cards and stuck with them

[foggy lion]

Nope. Not as far as i'm concerned. Had many battles vs. this account too & isn't a bot. ✌️

[foggy lion]

Rather seems like that no botmaster has access to this account ...
May be a player that has quit spellstone a long time ago, but they choose to let the account stay in that guild.

[foggy lion]

Another clear sign for an obvious bot, alongside the usual obvious indicators ...
Such accounts do play (live- & pvp-) arena-battles with their unchanged decks from the previous b.g.e.(s) !
... Just because bots do not sleep, eat, shite & repeat ... like normal humans do ...
... Because the botmaster(s) are lazy a.f. ! Therefore they tend to change those decks when they like ...
Which does normally take some days, but also happens to be done before the Solo-Clash ends.
As they have to setup those only once & they do remain like that 'til the next b.g.e.

[foggy lion]

Still using an unchanged deck, still with multiple unruned cards & still participating in current events &/or arena !
--> # Get your "base jobline" done ! @Botmaster(s) ! # F.F.S. ... 🤦‍♂️

[foggy lion]

Almost identical report made for the last obvious bot-account here !
& Don't worry ... It was just a bounty from today, were i played extra slow + not optimal either ...
--> So i could actually see & get more cards to report here + on top.

[thorn bluff]

Bot? Milax for 10 and no runes?

[still portal]

The bots are evolving

Too bad I had auto battle on for half of the battle and lost 😭

[gentle marsh]

Bastion, jmbetz, and greendia still all running avian decks for guild clash. The botmaster must be getting bored of Spellstone.

[foggy lion]

Hopefully. 🤞

[foggy lion]

Well ... as they already have one of those accounts in another, unusual guild ...
It seems the botmaster(s) (& friends) are tryin' something new, which may "ignite" their enthusiasm again !
--> # Let hope NOT ! ... & # Please re-consider. 😟

[frosty lintel]

They just see that now, with the complete lack of balance in the game, they don't have to change their decks to get the best results )))

[foggy lion]

Maybe ... But at least that goes along with "not bein' optimal" ... 😶 ...

[foggy lion]

... Didn't get any noticeable &/or known bots in the recent days ...
"Bad luck" on my end, ... or are they tryin' out some exploit(s) yet again?
Like lowering their BR & stuff ... 🤔 ...

[foggy lion]

Many obvious bots are currently in arena, with their still unchanged decks, same cards in use, same cards unruned, boosting their accounts & still not perma-banned yet, ... because no one cares! Thanks. 🙏

This one here is from challenge b.t.w.

This one here is from arena a.t.m.

--> # Ditto.

Double-report on Zayac92.

[foggy lion]

... Also just faced the jmbetz95-account in arena ...
Seems like the unruned cards for this account are (somewhat) taken care of by the botmaster(s).
Though, ... this account still plays the "mirror-avian-deck", that all known bots play!
It's good to see, that when such accounts join top-allliances, they also tend to get (somewhat) more care.

🔥 🧑‍🌾 👍 🔥

[foggy lion]

Seemed player-controlled -> this time <- ... Maybe the KI of those accounts is just gettin' better over time ...

... Also quite funny to see the "almighty" & "perma-ruby-account" greendia in Platinum III ... # Lol!
Another obvious sign that the remaining botmaster don't care anymore!
Also still plays the same deck as the other obvious bots, just with more elementals.
Automated account, with "a bit more" care then the others.
Good to see that such clear signs & all the reports made, still don't get those accounts banned ...
Even with & only the (awful) "anti-cheat-measures" in play!
--> Therefore the botmasters seemingly found some kind of "loophole" to use + eploit on top!
Awesome to see no one cares & that didn't change since year(s)!

Current + updated list of any additional reported &/or missed accounts :
Alfitor (3x) ; Definite bot ! <- Could be banned already.
Portomen
Konsterz (2x)
Mac_Attack314
mega_JiGurDa (4x) ; Definite bot ! <- Could be banned already.
Alex1784 (2x)
Happycard (2x) ; Definite bot ! <- Could be banned already.
nevmer_roman
ToJl9lH
IliaL171 (39x) ; Definite bot !
Strayner
Player4356091997
HalBailman
KRIPTON (11x) ; Definite bot !
Zayac92 (23x) ; Definite bot !
Artempux
jmbetz95 (17x) ; Definite bot ! Is taken care of nowadays by a botmaster !
Portal_Pilot (29x) ; Definite bot !
bastion2045 (26x) ; Definite bot !
tarjmov (2x)
fifaman22 (2x)
Tirrazor
nothingspecial_ (2x)
Player4356080393
TigShark (17x) ; Definite bot !
mtlego (3x)
Player4356058253
lopediym (21x) ; Definite bot !
alexlove2008 (2x)
faker8271 (2x)
maksim23121991
Lynsie666 (2x)
philippesbf
Player4356024579
11kain11
GVA777rd
Player4355982066
natanielhero
Player4356101450
Ninjalvan
bobby78400
Player4356007240
konohou
SkybirdP
KirbyzScape
mandyymtg (2x)
j3doggie
984181599
QPM
Player5346109992
GnomeCarnage (2x)
Player4356051067 (2x)
rancherboy26
Negidijus
Player4356003753
Player3423605001 (2x)
0404418
duazokevin1
sparlstorn
reginaphallangee
Player4356108826
Player4356118458
LDannis
Stormclasherxd
sadkermit001
djmac13
mikeyc0312
player4356125109
laroslav322 (2x)
Player4139160001
Hero_Of_Twylight
MosaLikche
greendia (7x) ; Obvious bot. --> Mostly automated & contolled by a botmaster.
Yesterday? / dgagernaut <- (Former) member of cheating guilds & still a decent "multi"-agent today.
AngelicScale <- Another possible botmaster + tried to "infiltrate" our very own alliance too !
Also : Re-reported accounts here, which got reported even before this topic!

Also ... if some of these accounts aren't reported again, ... let's say by/up to the end of the year(-ish) ...
&/or someone thinks that those accounts are not bots of some kind ...
They also should come of the list too. As multiple of those weren't reported again & that for some (long) time. 🤔
... Maybe some of them got banned already, but there's no way to know for shure ...
P.S.: Only 10+ obvious bot-accounts need to be perma-banned! # Kinda all it takes! 📝

[foggy lion]

Reacted to late! This account also had a Lev & Rolo unruned & in use!

... Also & on top has been reported before!

[still portal]

+1 for kripton!

[foggy lion]

"Neglected" + definite bot-account! Still scoring perfects in challenges with exploits!
... Also still hasn't had a deck-change since 2 months & playin' pvp-arena-battles!

[foggy lion]

Another obvious bot-report on top! + Most reported account! Got "defended" by "thee multi-agent"! 🕵️
(Was said he quit the game to a 100% & that since 6+ months so far, ... Mhmh ... Wonder why this account is still active?)

--> # Ditto! Current challenge, same deck & hero, same unruned cards & i think their Bluefire also had the same epic backlash-rune too! Nothin' more obvious then that & for sure the same botmaster too! # More perfects incomin'! 🥳🎉

[still portal]

Bots finally getting runes ???

[foggy lion]

Yes. Seems those are leftover epic runes in their respective inventory.
Bots can't rune most of their cards, because they normally don't play bounties for example ...
Therefore there missing out on rune-materials & can't start crafting.
Because they're using an exploit & they have to de-rank any such account too!
It has been years, so it's no wonder the botmaster finally decided to do something like that.
The fact still remains though: Bots are still bots!

[foggy lion]

Let's hope this will likely stay the only report i have to make here ... 😅 ...

[foggy lion]

Sorry that it always kinda gets repetitive ... but ...
Here's another known & 110% guaranteed bot ! Still playin' arena with an outdated deck !
(That maxed K'luum was also unruned ! As we already know ...)