Familiar Arena QA

[tawdry coyote]

[dusky wind]

please gimme a good suggestion on how to counter Dururu + Hippo on the back line (while defending and attacking)

Also, I can +300 1 familiar and make a second +200, who should I start focusing on now?

[shell grail]

on attacking if u knew Dururu position, dont place Toko where he dig to and place Suiryu there to couter him.

mite can interrupt hippo if u place him well, or ebon can push to the back and lure the skill.

[dusky wind]

trying with Ebon, but now it seems more inconsistent when My Ebon pushes and when it is pushed

[shell grail]

u can try Dururu himself or Penguincorn

[dusky wind]

last Season I pretty much had my Ebon almost always pushing before 😦 did they change anything?

[shell grail]

nope, just positioning, awakening, and RNG itself

[regal ledge]

Yea I can see

[lusty zodiac]

Kinda sucks they require certain familiar to get this way. I like my molten lion & bunnelby familiar

[keen verge]

awakening has nothing to do with ebon push back ❤️

[digital spoke]

Seems like putting ebon at backline will be good to counter

[keen verge]

it is more complex than that. but awakening has nothing to do with it. besides the fact that it cools down faster than lower awake ebon

[coral maple]

Do you have dururu positionings to counter ebon? Pls share

[shell grail]

hard to counter, his role most likely interrupt the backline. (interrupt first heal if they place healer at the back)

this interrupt can lead to quickly ebon killed because no heal.

this case even interrupt the healer at the front row

[tawdry coyote]

not quite sure what you mean, but molten lion is still quite fine to use, and bunnybot if that's what you mean is used in my server by #1 and #3 respectively. Our whales have spent upwards of $80k to put things into perspective. If you mean flutterby on the otherhand, well then yes. It is not the best familiar, although it does have priority over both taurex and bunnybot, so it has at least that going for it.

[keen verge]

Dururu doesnt directly counter ebon taurex. But there are instances like when ebon is pos 3 he can be cancelled by a pos 2/5 dururu.

I think its easier to answer if you post a match details so we can examine it thoroughly

[lusty zodiac]

What I should state is that you shouldn't be required to spend 80k to be top dog in game.

And play with your favorite familars. But some of them can't go past a certain cp. So they become useless. And I am not talking about 1 familiar in general but all of them. I mean the 3 star dragon one is cute as get out. The rabbit 1 star. Etc. Etc.

They really need to stop introducing new familiar with higher cp and balance the current familiars. Even if that means having a special way to level them up.

Like dark enchanting on the ones under 4 stars.

[topaz shoal]

how tf does this work lmao

[tawdry coyote]

I get your qualm, but that's not how their monetization model works. There are other games, and they are not forcing you to play it, albeit, I do think their level of greed is on par with that of Credit Suisse.

On the previous note, that figure was the extreme of the extremest echelon of spenders. Not many players have the means or even if they did have the desire to spend such exorbitant and ludicrous amounts of money to gain such diminishing returns when the game gets significant power spikes as time progresses—the all too common monetization model to keep the whales spending to stay competitive.

Yes, it would be nice to have the little A10 Pipsqueak used for completion beat up on the A10 Relixx, but the fact of the matter is, this is a for-profit company that has its model, and that model doesn't involve changing balance of pay in favor of the weakest free content.

Tokotoko is to this day extremely strong in JP/KR as are Sunshine and Dururu, so I really get tired of all this hoopla, when nobody is being held at gunpoint to play the game. I personally am ready to quit, so I care less about the idiocy of their reckless release schedule for global and their unfathomable merger decisions.

[lusty zodiac]

You could just have said corporate greed ruined the game.

Wayy easier

[tawdry coyote]

Except it's not just black and white like that. To feign to simplify it down to that is silly.

[lusty zodiac]

Also, yeah not forcing me.

I only keep playing it until I can finish the storyline.

Then I probably leave.

But their isn't other games similar to this that isn't also pay to win or money grabbing.

Pokémon go is one for money grabbing

[tawdry coyote]

Based off of ordering and without knowing awakening, I can only assume the following. Dururu tunnels to back and face tanks some burst from hippo/suiryū, while Taurex gets hit by second burst and dies because it's low awaken. Disbeleaf heals Dururu in second cycle and cat cleans back row. Dururu tunnels front row after back row dies etc. Something of that sort happens

[topaz shoal]

wow on point

[tawdry coyote]

Pretty much every mobile game is a cash grab. Diablo Immortal, Genshin, anything that is in your recommended list to download. Perhaps you're new to this and you've only played console games before?

[topaz shoal]

the disbeleaf and dururu just tanked all the damge

[tawdry coyote]

That team has 0 way to deal with two, Disbeleaf+1 healer, because it's such low dmg vs green.

[lusty zodiac]

Unfortunately console games are becoming cash grabs as well.

Sigh.

Not new, just annoyed

[tawdry coyote]

Even after Disbeleaf nerf from 80-70% heal but remove frostbite globally, it's still pretty much the same, obnoxious vs lower awaken water.

[tawdry coyote]

If you look at price points over time, console games production quality has increased exponentially as price has "stagnated" (number literally same but adjusted for inflation is significantly lower by nearly 4-fold). So, I disagree... Other than unfinished games by some developers, there are others like Nintendo where there is pretty steady and reliable quality control.

It's quite remarkable, this trend of animosity towards corporations that is often unfounded, misdirected, and nonsensical. It is true that corporations are for-profit but it is also the case that individuals work for money. The amounts and circumstances are different, but I shouldn't have to explain this in a Familiar Arena QA thread.

[lusty zodiac]

All I know is I just suggested I want familiar of lower levels to go be in par with competing and everyone spiraled off into blame greed, for profit, etc, not related to the main part of my want

Also I disagree with you about console games. But it will probably end in a Stale mate. So let's agree to disagree on that aspect

[shell grail]

if they do that, all spenders will left the game. knowing that what they invest can do equally to f2p.

so, it not gonna happen.

very funny to see f2p who invest nothing want to compete equally with spenders in a p2w game.

[topaz shoal]

time ran out

mother fcker not enough damage with this set lol

[lusty zodiac]

That's how games should be. Micro transactions should only be for cosmetics. Period. Don't matter if it's mobile, console, etc

[shell grail]

find other games then, this is p2w game

[lusty zodiac]

What game has a story like this, has all the stuff you can do in it, and continually update events?

None. That's a pathetic combat excuse

[topaz shoal]

im in too deep

[slim horizon]

Is this your first crypto NFT game?

Because this is a pattern for NFT games, starts good soft then all the big cashers get together and thats it

[stray agate]

@tawdry coyote I’m too 5-10 in my server. Any use for my a9 duru?

[tawdry coyote]

They'll release a way to get previous story familiars, so yes. Even A9 is situationally useful.

[tawdry coyote]

Well, that's two healers, two frontline tanks. Close though. If you used Suiryū

[tawdry coyote]

Honkai/Genshin have more story different update schedule and each has its own disadvantages. Honkai Impact 3rd is casual hell and requires the precisest of inputs for placement no matter how much you whale, while Genshin has the opposite problem, lol.

You seem new to this ecosystem.

[lusty zodiac]

I want same storyline. Not different.
Genshin is still paytowin
And more complicated
Now I see who you are for what you really are.
Gas lighting others to play your cruddy game instead of trying to fix this one

[tawdry coyote]

I am not affiliated with either of those games, they were just examples, just like Nintendo was an example of a console game developer. I'm not even affiliated with this game for that matter, I just made a thread to talk about familiar arena, lol.

[tawdry coyote]

I posted this 5 days ago, but I'll explain it. Upon cast, Dururu becomes untargettable, which can, in some cases, lead to an indirect Ebon counter due to lack of target/target changes. Dururu as with all tunnelers has priority first cast except in fringe cases with unit collision where I explained in depth and also tested with the Flutterby case which also has priority over Taurex but lower priority than the three tunnelers Hob, Cactus, Dururu.

I think to this day I've seen a singular case of Dururu not getting initial cast off due to unit collision. About as rare as A10 Ursa getting interrupted by Taurex.

If you need more video examples, I have the same result repeated of this, then can record a few from other acc and/or friend's acc diff positions.

[lunar fractal]

what's the scenario be like with this rare case?

[tawdry coyote]

It is not one that tends to repeat itself, rather one that occurs as a fluke after repeated battles and occurs due to random chance.

[dusky wind]

still couldn't find a reliable way to counter Dururu, any ideas?

[shell grail]

keep him for a surprise sometime

[lunar fractal]

not a direct counter since dururu got a higher cast priority but a better frontline/tank would be your best option and enough backline damager to finish off enemy dururu before your tank gets killed

[stray agate]

Has anyone found the best comp and Strat to use relix in arena? It’s top tier in KR but can’t seem to find a comp in global

[topaz shoal]

Relixx needs a dark friend in arena

Cant go by himself

[stray agate]

Thinking Dino or goblin?

Is that how they do it in KR?

[keen verge]

They use Wiz, Lumi, rimu to complement Relixx in kr

Right now im also testing how to make relix work in global. Kinda hard without those 3 i mentioned.

I dont think hog dino ebon is good

[shell grail]

dino is quite bad

[shell grail]

ebon is good at his role.

[keen verge]

ebon is OK-ish with relix but its not guaranteed he wins the push back. but if ebon does win pushback, the ebon + relix dmg is fine

[tawdry coyote]

It can be dealt with a strong water back line OR a back line with all melee.

strong water kills it quickly whereas melee backline means less interuption since they're all moving forward

[tawdry coyote]

Rimu yes, Rumi as well, but I have never seen people use Wiz. It tends to be subpar, and the other roles that need to be filled are more important such as the Taurex role.

[keen verge]

Thanks for these

Appreciate them

I wonder how they built around relixx when he was first released. At that time there were no lumi

[tawdry coyote]

There were already Dururu and people knew how to use hob

ursa was next release

[rugged bridge]

Is this the best server on KR? also i'm curious why in korean server they can Awaken 10 all rare familiars? while in global here, only super whale able to awaken them to 10 like Squibby or Rimu

[tawdry coyote]

lol

in KR they whale so much harder than us and there is a consistency in the whaling

JP as well

That's why there are laws in place such releasing all pull rates for gacha related stuff, otherwise those games will be banned in Japan/Korea. Any false claims are taken to their finance tribunals

That's also why

those stringent laws don't apply to global and they can do what they want

almost got blocked lol..

[rugged bridge]

How much did they spent? like in Top10, how come all in awaken 10 (relixx,rimu,squibby,etc)

[tawdry coyote]

Keep in mind too that

they started getting the 6* egg selector before us

and their banner was before us

their game now is 1.5 years old

we are just 150 days old

[rugged bridge]

I saw it months before, they already had awk 10 rare familiars, its fascinating for me

[tawdry coyote]

A lot of them are collector whales

they just have to get A10 of everything

[rugged bridge]

maybe because in terms of rewards (codes / gifts) NNK too generous to their own KR

I have seen in YT, like giving them 50/100 summon tickets in once

cmiiw, cuz i never play in KR version

[tawdry coyote]

oh

want to see what I just got on KR/JP?

for anniversary?

[rugged bridge]

Yeah, if you don't mind to put it here

[tawdry coyote]

we got shafted

That's just half LOL

I don't wanna flood it with too much

we get free catarumpus costume

and other stuff

[rugged bridge]

Ahh, i have seen this on siiant Yt. its unbeliaveable, pull items (fams,gems,toys,costume all in one)
and look ak that, only 100k for 23tickets?? come on, its too good to be real on global

[shell grail]

keep in mind that there is no token system on KR/JP

that's one of the reason

[tawdry coyote]

yeah no territe

[rugged bridge]

Hmm i got it, no NKT/ NKA system in there

[shell grail]

and max enhancement is like 40 or 50, I cant remember

[tawdry coyote]

well after 30 cursing becomes crazy

but their dolls work differently too tho

it's not use a number of dolls per 10 levels

and I think they're universal

i forgot

anyways i gonnna sleep still sick

[rugged bridge]

Thanks btw for the info, appreciate it

[slim horizon]

That Ebon got rare toys? there are rare toys?

[shell grail]

obviously

[slim horizon]

On global too?

[shell grail]

in the future, I guess

[slim horizon]

Ahhh ok i tough it was already out on global 👌

[dusky wind]

[digital spoke]

Will mite be good for def instead of boar ?

[rugged bridge]

At max awaken, it will be good with 1 Def,Hp toys

[digital spoke]

current a10 boar vs a8 mite ☹️

[topaz shoal]

What is a recomended toys for disbalef?

[shell grail]

itself

[topaz shoal]

wat

[shell grail]

his exclusive toy

[topaz shoal]

there is??/

[shell grail]

ofc

[topaz shoal]

ohh

okok

i got so confused xD

[digital spoke]

lol

[royal copper]

With relixx being here are there any compositions I can use from my current familiars?

[topaz shoal]

u have archansas?

[shell grail]

TBH, I still finding his combination as well. (with almost the same fams u have)

interesting lineup, hadn't see on my server before.

*the Flutterby

[topaz shoal]

what is that wtf

[shell grail]

the swiftly Flutteby

[tawdry coyote]

It can be okay if you just need a little more to survive

Since it has higher priority than Taurex

[shell grail]

after server merging, I'll lose a chance to get in top10. (maybe top30)
*got some info from 1 of my merging list.

this affect my decision about the future.

[dusky wind]

I can kiss goodbye to top30 as well, managing top100 will be a big W 😂😂

[shell grail]

search some deep info here @robust cobalt

[tawdry coyote]

gonna merge with pretty big whale server and then a dead one

should be more competitive for top 10, but shouldn't be impossible.

less forgiving for mistakes though

[modern lichen]

Is there a way for me to get past or go beyond gold rank? Hard stuck gold, around top 50 to 70% is my average 😦

Note: Familiars displayed have their specific toys with an average of one 5* and two 4* (some have 6*)

[tawdry coyote]

No clue why catfish is +300 at awaken 2 or hippo at awaken 0

Your useable stuff seems to be

Mite, Suiryū, and Shrimpaler

If that Arachnes gets up to A7 and +300, it would be decent along with another healer

Since we don't know when they'll release content to allow for getting old content familiar like Tokotoko, but I believe should be soon, you might want to use Disbeleaf as your secondary healer.

That being said, since there's no 5th yet, depending on available gummies, it could go to Taurex, Oroboros, Disbeleaf, Dururu (it will also be reobtainable in future), Sore Boar

Reminder, do not gummy familiar unless you know for certain you will bring them to a level in which they will be usable. So for rares A7 is the number.

[modern lichen]

I +300 them without prior knowledge when I just started nnk

I have about 600+ jellies here so I can +300 two familiar

[modern lichen]

Would disbelief be a good use/healer instead of tokoboy?

[digital spoke]

Toko for the win

[smoky cosmos]

any advice for atk and defense? I can also max one more familiar, boar or dururu or anything else? thanks

[digital spoke]

Suriyuu

[rugged bridge]

Suiryu is all round for atk & def, max it first since it already awk 9

[modern lichen]

thank you

[forest reef]

dang taurex vs taurex got changed? the def one always skills first

[digital spoke]

ikr

[lusty cargo]

for real?

[digital spoke]

It did for me

[smoky cosmos]

im currently using mite, stag, molten, toko and hippo. should i replace molten or mite for suiryu?

[forest reef]

Try it man! But im not sure if it is awake based. If its lower awake than yours, maybe your ebon will go first.

I dunno i havent tried it yet.

[lusty cargo]

you made it sound like you were sure on your initial statement

if higher awake means faster casting , that would've been known already because many people test it

so i think it's still rng or there's some element they did not disclose that affects who casts first between 2 ebon

[forest reef]

Cos usually before mainte, my a6 always skills first even tho my opponents ebon was a9 or a10

Especially if the opponents ebon is in the lower front. But now, when i attkd the same player has a10 ebon. His ebon goes first now. Fvkye.

[lusty cargo]

might be worth testing on alt accounts

[forest reef]

Thats why im not sure if its awake based lol

[tawdry coyote]

I said that only because Toko is A5 and Disbeleaf is A7 and has more potential to get A10 sooner. We don't know yet when dungeons will become repeatable again. Otherwise, yes, Tokotoko would be much better choice.

[tawdry coyote]

I'll see if there's any change I've noticed, but so far I haven't (?)

[modern lichen]

Well in my current state, I guess disbeleaf would a8/9 now. I'll just keep toko in store for now

Until we get the old content back

[tawdry coyote]

I think that's a good idea.

[tawdry coyote]

Dururu and Tokotoko are the useful dungeon familiars, and then eventually Sunshine when it gets released.

Boar phases out, candle is very situational, etc.

[modern lichen]

My only prob now is to learn how to setup and attack

[modern lichen]

I haven't heard sunshine till now.

[tawdry coyote]

Well, you set it up relative to the defender, so there are times where you have to refresh, other times where you can't even attack.

[tawdry coyote]

Ugh, sunshine is light defender, gets released when Whiz gets released

Lemme find for you

[modern lichen]

Yeah. I only attack the bottom 2 or 3 then wait for refresh and hope for a better roll 😂🥲

[modern lichen]

She's not as hyped as other familiars I see getting mentioned most of the time

[rugged bridge]

Replace that molten, since it only 0 awaken, just use him for pvp

[tawdry coyote]

サンサン (★4 / 光 / 防御型)
「サンアンドムーン」
範囲内の敵に攻撃力の259％のダメージ
味方イマージェンは50％の確率で5秒間、防御力が40％アップ
敵イマージェンは50％の確率で5秒間、攻撃力と命中率が20％ダウン

Sunshine 4★ Light Type
Sun & Moon
259% DMG to enemies within range
50% chance to increase ally familiar def by 40% for 5 seconds.
50% chance to decrease enemy attack and hit rate/accuracy by 20% for 5 seconds.

If my translation is poor, then I apologize

[modern lichen]

Nah, it's all good. Thank you very much

I gotta stack up fam tickets

[tawdry coyote]

Is just not released yet, so under most people's radar. Most people only start mentioning Rumi, but hardly anyone mentions Gem.

Rumi, the black cat, not to be confused with Rimu the teddy bear.

[tawdry coyote]

Sorry for late response. I would gummy up and evolve Dururu. Suiryū, Hippo, Tokotoko, Dururu, Mite. This is a kill comp with low survival, but an A2 Taurex is pretty much same thing except less survivability.

[digital spoke]

Dururu is so scary

[tawdry coyote]

And his is A8 compared to Taurex only A2.

It has toys as well

Comp order for defense, I would do something like:
Suiryū Dururu
Hippo
Mite Tokotoko

Change as you see fit, it can be kinda wonky

[modern lichen]

I'll judge who's cuter

[shell grail]

@hidden egret try here

[hidden egret]

thanks 😗

need help! who to put

[shell grail]

that looks quite okay for stall comp, what do u want?

[hidden egret]

i have a3 hipo but not sure if using him will improve my def

i haven't been in the top 100 for weeks now because of my def

[shell grail]

because everybody around u might got upgraded

u can replace oroboros with disbeleaf (with jellies).
and hide him and mite

or replace oro with Suiryu

try to rotate as often as u can

[hidden egret]

okaaaay

[digital spoke]

your fam. waduhek

[hidden egret]

huh

[hidden egret]

hide who in this case?

[shell grail]

I would hide mite and suiryu

[hidden egret]

okaaay thank you!

[feral atlas]

U need to do 2400 temple and give them toys hahaha

[digital spoke]

2400, mmmmmmm

[tawdry coyote]

I wouldn't really change anything with the familiar roster you currently have. Eventually when sunshine is released, I'd swap out boar with that. Ordering, there isn't much to be said or to do... What to hide is up to you. It's a bit rough, because hide both attackers, you reveal BTS, they probably attack with Suiryū Hippo. Hide Mite Boar they attack with fire heavy, you lose on that front. Your best matchup is green heavy, but there is nothing to reveal for that, and... Hiding both healers is always a pointless proposition cause people always assume at least a healer is being run Tokotoko/Shrimpaler and with that comp it's assumed both. I personally would hide Mite Oroboros, for the possible Suiryū-only snipe.

[hidden egret]

gotcha. thank you ❤️

[tawdry coyote]

With this, I would hide Mite Boar for the reasons I explained above, but, I would also swap positioning.

I am also one of the only top tenners/3 who puts a Tokotoko in front.

So maybe I'm just crazy.

Oh nm, found some others on AS. Others on KR/JP don't count.

[main robin]

i have dururu A10 and toy 5* 2ea should i use it? for atk/def team i have problem with BTS team can't kill them timeout

[tawdry coyote]

For BTS need strong atk, Dururu can help, but probably need Suiryū, Mite, things like that.

Neutral damage is fine too like Cat and Relixx although the latter is a bit lower dmg. Arachnes A7 pretty much makes BTS non-issue if it can survive casts.

[tight glade]

who do i enhance next?

[digital spoke]

What’s your current Atk and def.

[rugged bridge]

Look at that disbelief 10, i already enhanced it to max jellies when awk9,
sometimes you need 2 healers+ / for stall comp.

and u have Dino 8, idk what you think, its okay to put jelly on him, Aim for top100

[thorny herald]

Guys good day! I just want to have some insights for my FA deck. Which is better to use hippo or suryui?

[digital spoke]

duru on def ?

this is mine, not the best

[thorny herald]

Ahh okay then. This was my previous def deck and I would say in my case kinda 50-50 in terms of winning def. I just want to have some insights from Dururu users for their def/attack deck. Pretty much experiment it by next week if I can't get some.

Appreciate the response sir.

[thorny herald]

What are your Hidden Familiars there if you wouldn't mind.

[digital spoke]

Hippo ebon

[thorny herald]

Okay BTS display setup. Mine was the opposite because of the low awake Shrimpaler. I'll try it then. Thanks brother.

[digital spoke]

For atk usually hippo + suiryuu

[thorny herald]

almost same setup? Just change Shrimpaler with Suryui right?

[digital spoke]

my atk is ebon toko/hippo hippo shrimp suiryuu

i only fight enemy with 2 flame haha

[thorny herald]

Ah i see. Okay noted.

[shell grail]

400k already, damn

[digital spoke]

All daddies

[royal lagoon]

what is a good team for this dood

[digital spoke]

when u lack of cc

[digital spoke]

you can send your fam list

[royal lagoon]

ok wait

[digital spoke]

I see some ppl use oroboros with suriyuu

What difficulty you facing though

[royal lagoon]

def stagthorn

[dusky wind]

what is the probable next banner, next limited and next event familiars?

[digital spoke]

😂 that madafaka

[topaz shoal]

Nobody knows

Might be petal wizzard

[tawdry coyote]

Whizz with Sunshine story (?)

Maybe a banner in-between (?)

Cactus, Rumi, Fire one, idk

Maybe they close the game because of territeble decisions (?)

[dusky wind]

Asking mainly to know if there is anything meta defining planned based on Kr releases

So I can organize my resources (tickets+diamonds+jelly)

[tawdry coyote]

Well, I already said sunshine is meta defining.

Just like Dururu, as you'll see with time.

Mmk, off to snooze town

[ancient latch]

I need thots about this

I’m struggling with hippo and soar

I usually play suiryu, mite, toko, shrimp, dururu

Both attack and def but sometimes i replace dururu for hippo

[tawdry coyote]

I saw your DM first so I responded there. Cheers! 🥂

[royal rampart]

Hi there. I need some advice how to counter A10 ebon taurex.

[digital spoke]

Mite?

[topaz shoal]

@tawdry coyote any disbeleaf no toko deck you can recomend

With alynx and hippo

[tawdry coyote]

Positioning, light units (esp., Bryde/Sunshine to wall it or cat to kill), killing it, sometimes Dururu, (?) without more context, I can't give you more than a generic answer.

[tawdry coyote]

You know I usually like more context than this since you're not building only for yourself but building against somebody in two formats, as attacker and defender. In any case, I find that Disbeleaf can be good in stall comps or as a decent wall so long as your opponent has a ranged top and ranged water damage and or melee green damage (stag/oroboros).

Even if they use BTS, it's not like your Disbeleaf and Shrimpaler will die to that 3 v 2.

Keep in mind, in a fully geared (all 6★) BTS the Boar can face tank an all 4★ A8 Cat, Kona Sui, Toko, Shrimpaler.

You won't fight that in top 100, so don't worry too much.

[topaz shoal]

i dont rlly know much so i dont swap out decks at all

and most of my 4 stars are low awakening

except for disbeleaf

i keep on getting them

[tawdry coyote]

Well, since you don't have Tokotoko and you don't have Shrimpaler, you have to use Disbeleaf.

Which is runner up.

Oh NM, i see down there, Shrimpaler A6

I'd use cat, Dururu, suiryū, Disbeleaf, Shrimpaler***

Disbeleaf as healer and frontline and Dururu as other Frontline

Other option suiryū, hippo cat, dururu, Disbeleaf and praidge

[royal rampart]

Oh sorry, what i mean is that normally my frontnliner skill will get canceled by opponent max awaken ebon.(eg max awakening mite, oboros, especislly arachnes and bunny bot)

What are the options inhave to ensure my front liner skill wont get canceled? I have even tried max awaken snake tried to silence it before opponent ebon cast his skill(forgot its name)

But all of those are in vain.

Given that is there anyway to counter the ebon 1st cast of skill?

[tawdry coyote]

Here is the answer to your life.

[tawdry coyote]

Put Ebon Taurex in Position 3 for attack

[main robin]

relixx awake 7 can use in arena?

this is my atk team if can what i should replaced?

[shell grail]

@tawdry coyote they spoiled us on #🎉｜event

look like Goldbeard episode is coming next

and more (meh..) Tunneler

[royal rampart]

position 3 is it something like this sir? tqvm for advicew

[topaz shoal]

@tawdry coyote mmy suriyu has no specific toys

also my disbeleaf

[shell grail]

that 5

Shrimp on 3

[tawdry coyote]

Lolololololol this literally should've been our first instead of tokotoko.

[tawdry coyote]

It goes
3 1
4
5 2

[tawdry coyote]

You are fighting different b bunch comps so you should changed your own accordingly

[digital spoke]

Honestly i only fight fire enemy haha

[royal rampart]

hi i tried this, but it is still subjected to luck, since both mine and his ebon are A10, it just up to luck whoever's ebon charged 1st will win the match 😦 seems like there is no familiar that will 100% counter ebon at this moment

[tawdry coyote]

Please send me screenshot of match from your history

Last week I had maybe 90% win rate.

[tawdry coyote]

I've only seen in one case and that was with @regal ledge

[regal ledge]

Yea same situation with me. All depends on Ebon

[tawdry coyote]

おひさ〜！

[digital spoke]

[shell grail]

u sure u want to show your defense lineup publicly?

[digital spoke]

Hahahah

No same server here

[torn loom]

help me choose my attack and defense team

[digital spoke]

Probably need work on your toko or shrimp

Maybe mite soreboar suiryuu hippo toko/shrimp

[digital spoke]

Do you have eggs selector left ? 😂

[torn loom]

no, i spent it all getting hypo today lol

[tawdry coyote]

This except no mite and both healers.

There's no point for FA in using gummies on A0 rare familiars let alone anything under A5. I usually say A7, but I've recently seen some servers where top 10 didn't have any A10, but rather only A7 or A5, so it is server spending habit related.

For rare egg selectors, be cautious but to spread them too thin on too many different familiars, so you can reach the A7 breakpoint with at least one.

Your attack/offense team should reflect something that is effective against your opponent, so it should change accordingly and seldom be a singular static team.

[tawdry coyote]

Next story familiar should be water cat, Purrloiner (ニャン), it is direct counter to Shrimpaler. Banner then should be Petal (ハナサク).

A0/10:
Increases aspd by 20%/40% and atk by 10%/20% of nearby allied familiars for 7 seconds.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/975894757920346193/1070496382605066352/16752966207518484374395428355907.png

A10:
Move to the furthest enemy familiar and deal 310% water damage to nearby enemies. Reduce enemy defense by 30% for 5 seconds.

[regal ledge]

Will Petal make my team comp win more in def? Lynx, Relix, Squib, Ebon and Kona/Dururu are losing 4/5 of the defs 🥲

[tawdry coyote]

Probably not

[topaz shoal]

Could we be seeing a tunnler meta? xD

[topaz shoal]

Why u use kona

I almost never seen or heard anyone using kona

[tawdry coyote]

It's useful at high awakening with damage reduction.

[regal ledge]

the person attacking me uses 3x attackers and if I use 2 tanks, I cant win defence.

[regal ledge]

My A8 kona manage to use one 1 skill and he dies to arachnes lol

[tawdry coyote]

A8 not high enough to use at top 30. Might as well use something else.

Especially with the imminent server merges

[topaz shoal]

@regal ledge why u no use a suck fam

Like stag or hippo

It works very well with aurora

[regal ledge]

hippo also a8 and he so is my stag

better to have one a8 then to have 2

[topaz shoal]

why not combo wombo jumbo

my a6 lynx and a3 hippo shreads attack melees

[regal ledge]

the person who attacks me has a more deadlier combo, he can kill me before I kill him. Hippo and stag didnt work against him on attack or def

[topaz shoal]

[regal ledge]

maybe because you aint fighting against a10 team arachnes ebon relixx linx

[topaz shoal]

wtf a10 archanes

[modern lichen]

@tawdry coyote Thank you for the pointers you gave last week! I've been climbing slowly but steady. my only problem now is my stpid luck in combining for 5 or 6* items and also I always ignore def team with ebon

[shell grail]

Lyn said it will be Fated cards (Wiz and Sunshine).
that would heavily affect FA.

[tawdry coyote]

I'll post it later then. I've already posted it multiple times.

[tawdry coyote]

Sunshine 4★ light defender/サンサン (★4/光/防御型) :
A0/A10
Does 173/259% light damage.
For 5 seconds, reduces enemy accuracy by 10/20% & increase ally familiar defense in area by 20/40%.

@gaunt thunder so I heard we skipping story 2 again. It would've been nice to deal with stall comps esp since it's water tunneler with -def% debuff for Shrimpaler in the infamous BTS. Are devs just staying the course and not coming back to S2 to stay somewhat relevant with KR/JP?

[tawdry coyote]

Wiz*(?) 4★ Dark Support ウィズ (★4背景 / 闇 / サポート型):
A0/A10:
227/340% dark damage to single target.
Target receives 25/50% increased damage for 5/10 seconds.

@regal ledge with C saying Lyn confirmed Fated Cards, you have this new forgetful support but is okay for single burst. It is single target.

Not its own burst, but what is cast next. It is ranged single-target with single-target skill.

0 cc provide, no AoE like Arachnes, but if you're heavy sustain to kill individuals with squibby team, it may be okay.

[regal ledge]

Sounds good but not sure if it’s worth the money to get to a10 lol. Unless it can win a Arachnes ebon relixx team?

[topaz shoal]

Witch is too OP said that there is an unbeatable dark team in korea

With lumi wiz rellix

And the others but i dont specifically remember

[regal ledge]

Cool

[regal ledge]

Where did you find that info?

but since we dont have lumi, its not unbeatable till then

[tawdry coyote]

Well that appears to be for a PvP team?

Wiz is not very used in JP/KR for FA

[lament shell]

hello guys any recoms for atk and deff? ty!

[tawdry coyote]

Suiryu, Hippo, Mite, Tokotoko, Taurex for a very generic atk team

for a very generic defense team, why not be like everyone else and do BTS or 방탄소년단, jkjk... Boar, Tokotkoko, Shrimpaler, Taurex, Mite/Suiryu

[lament shell]

ty sir

how would be the position for def?

[tawdry coyote]

Tokotoko Boar
Shrimpaler
Mite Taurex

[lament shell]

and who shoould i hide?

[topaz shoal]

a korean guy

and saints cross worlds

[regal ledge]

Good to know

[regal ledge]

this guy seems to be famous haha

[topaz shoal]

he is literally the only nnk youtuber

like if a made a youtube channel i would be top 10 nnk youtubers

[regal ledge]

haha why dont you make one, I will be your first subscriber

[topaz shoal]

me no talent and me shy

[tawdry coyote]

Miku is most famous NNK Youtuber.

Channel: The struggle vs A10 Arachnes is real

[shell grail]

👀

[tranquil dew]

@spring forum you can ask your fam arena question here

[spring forum]

Alright thank you

[spring forum]

I want see his channel

[digital spoke]

Happy me every week

[spring forum]

Quick question guys

HP toys or disbeleaf specific 6 star toys would be better for her

I couldn’t decide

[shell grail]

spec.

or use them both, it depends on situation

[spring forum]

Alright thank you

[spring forum]

Few people today earlier said ebon is much better than moltenlion I’m not saying anyone is wrong

So today I did a little experiment

Coz the opponent team that attacking me has ebon awk10 with 6 star specific 3 toys

Like it’s the best a ebon could be with max awaken and best toys

Here are some of the screenshot I took just now. Both attackers has ebon max awaken and 6 star specific toys

Moltenlion has taken more damage and also dealt a little more damage. Also one of the opponent has got suiriyu as well .

What do you guys think !?

Note: moltenlion here is only awaken 8 with general 2 and 1 specific toys of 5 star

[shell grail]

for a stall comp, he's good

[vagrant eagle]

Depends how it's set up, everything is situational....if the first one was headed off against ouroboros then the fact lion took/did more damage isn't a great thing if the ebon was close at all to those stats...looks like ebony squared off with lynx so equal footing compared to lion squared up against its weakness....it's hard to say what really happened from a screenshot, they often move and attack in ways I didn't intend by my setup, maybe that's just me, idk

[vagrant eagle]

Dr. Diggs ...retired I believe ....but a lot of his old videos are legit.
Also dude posting as #1 swordsman has some talented, not well known info as well if you can keep up on that level

[topaz shoal]

Ik the guy sayung the tactic was to get asterite while most players dont get asterite

[tawdry coyote]

[forest reef]

guuys for FA. Whats better 5s mittes or 5s gloves?

[shell grail]

specific

[forest reef]

How about in jacket?

[shell grail]

specific

[rugged bridge]

Most intense i have ever seen. Right side won

[shell grail]

low DPS attacking team

[rugged bridge]

But with that team, i could win more than usual

[digital spoke]

Your taurex was against his taurex ? And dururu aiming shrimp ?

[royal lagoon]

how does oro, ebon, shrimp, suiryu and toko sound like for def?

[rugged bridge]

Taurex yes, but dururu was aiming for toko

[tawdry coyote]

Depends on your roster, and what your server tends to run. I can say, if those are your strongest by far, then I can give you a generic yes.

[forest reef]

Whats better for jacket?? 4s specific or 5s general?

[regal ledge]

Why has CP changed for familiars? And Arachnes got even stronger??

[digital spoke]

6 def win in a row. feelsgood

[tawdry coyote]

Any specific is better than one higher ★ generic.

[tawdry coyote]

Because generic toys grant increase to stats that affect cp, whereas familiar-specific toys grant special stats that do not affect cp.

Outside of FA, highest ★ toy gives most stats no matter whether it matches or not.

[tawdry coyote]

Example: -10% damage reduction gives no CP whereas +15% defense increases the defense stat, which gives CP in FA.

[regal ledge]

yes I get that but toys remained the same and CP changed for all familiars

happened after update

[tawdry coyote]

Did you check cp in different screens? Familiar roster vs roster in FA?

I haven't seen any difference

Could also be that you gummied stuff?

[regal ledge]

the team CP in familiar arena is higher after the update even thought it was the same familiars with same toys and +300 jellies

[tawdry coyote]

It's just display difference because generic toys provide % stats

There's no actual difference

[regal ledge]

Why it happened after the update and not before

[tawdry coyote]

There are usually minor tweaks they don't announce with every major content patch.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/978682922242560062/1073051179220750446/image.png

Got it A10 to join the frustrate @regal ledge club.

[digital spoke]

Arch is OP in pvp too?

[shell grail]

I can confirm that there is some kind of CP changed (sometime), maybe displaying issue.

[tawdry coyote]

It was buffed, so I'd say it's a contender now.

[digital spoke]

dem mine not even close to a10

[tawdry coyote]

Just so y'all know, I've planned on quitting/retiring for quite some time now. Just a heads up for whenever it actually happens

Hopefully, what I've been able to share with everyone has helped in some way shape or form.

… on this convoluted endless learning curve that is FA.

[digital spoke]

Why

Nooooo

Miss u

[tawdry coyote]

I'm not leaving just yet!

[tawdry coyote]

[regal ledge]

I’m about to quit haha

[tawdry coyote]

Haha, joining the retirement home?

[regal ledge]

Joining you

[tawdry coyote]

I'll let you know when my retirement pension kicks in.

[regal ledge]

Playing another game ?

[digital spoke]

is there any other games worth playing ? 😮 been waiting for AOC

[tawdry coyote]

Honkai Impact 3rd but waiting for Blue Protocol

[regal ledge]

Blue protocol looks cool but not mobile

[shell grail]

some glitch, already translated. Oops

[tawdry coyote]

Whenever we get familiar imprinting

[tawdry coyote]

Hope everyone was able to place where they wanted for this season!

I'll still be popping in for the coming season.

[rugged bridge]

Still no issue now for this season, top50/100
But I don't know what will be in next season when server merging is arrived
since our server will be merged with aqua-gemini, too much whale at there many of thems on top50 lava

[tawdry coyote]

Well, I'm here if you have questions.

[rugged bridge]

How to get top100 for f2p? but i'm low spender so not that hard to get it.

[tawdry coyote]

[rugged bridge]

oke serious questions, is that Sunshine really Op? quite good for farming and Pvp?

[tawdry coyote]

It is meta defining. It is good.

[digital spoke]

Constantly top30-100 yay

You have been a good sensei

[tawdry coyote]

I appreciate it.

[keen verge]

Define the sunshine meta

[tawdry coyote]

It is a def with a good affect that makes things more RNG

It can be sticky on field as well

What tends to be run at this point is 2 atk, 2def, 1 healer

I'll finish when I wake up.

Most notable is the lack of consistency when it's introduced because of two different % chance effects

[regal ledge]

I lost my top 1 💔

[regal ledge]

I’ve always been running 2 def 2 attack and 1 sup and kept losing to 1 def 3 attack and 1 sup

[shell grail]

maybe try 2 def 3 atk

[tawdry coyote]

If you had Bunnybot I'd say just go 3atk 1 Bunnybot 1 Taurex.

[regal ledge]

It’s so impossible to get to a10 now

[tawdry coyote]

Arachnes, Relixx, Cat, bunnybot, Taurex

[regal ledge]

Stuck at a7

[tawdry coyote]

[regal ledge]

This game makes me sad

[tawdry coyote]

[regal ledge]

Hope they give a bunnybot banner soon

[tawdry coyote]

Next is Wizz

[regal ledge]

That’s so cute

Wizz not helping me..

[tawdry coyote]

Nope

[regal ledge]

Sunshine not gonna help too? @tawdry coyote

Would you use him

[tawdry coyote]

It should help

But it's a bit RNG

[tawdry coyote]

I don't have room for it in my current team

[regal ledge]

I’m using a9 stag for def and he is RNG too

[regal ledge]

I tried that and lost so bad

[void dragon]

I noticed stag is most useful when he's placement is far back right side. He pulls 4/3 towards himself especially fam healer. So 3 of my including stag kills 1 fast then the other and another. 2 of fam will 1v1. They the only ones left, so the 3 will come to kill 1v1 fights. That is to say, I've only ever reached 2100 recently because most of the time shrimpaler and toko awake is higher than mine lol But when it's same awake almost always I win because of stag's pull and hogoblin's stun.

[digital spoke]

Yeah, that’s why I tend to avoid him 😂

[regal ledge]

Where is the far back right? Whats the position ?
3 1
4 2
5

[rugged bridge]

On attacking team, i think he mean positions 5, he's pulling like diagonal pattern

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/849566811874656277/1074901547324026980/image.png

Its kinda weird and unpreditable. Sometimes lose to 330k, sometime won over 360k fam

[digital spoke]

Check his lineup 😂 CP is just a number

[tawdry coyote]

[regal ledge]

Any idea how to beat the Arachnes team? Anyone

That’s a fight with dururu

Next one I still lost with stag

[tawdry coyote]

Have you tried Bunnybot?

[regal ledge]

Will give it a try but how to prevent it from being knocked off by opponent ebon

cancels my skill

my bunny got pushed back by their ebon and died instant after being comboed

[tawdry coyote]

Use Taurex in P3

@regal ledge Taurex P3 Cat P1 BB P5

Squibby P2

Actually I think BB can be P2

Oh wait vs P1 Taurex yeah you just need P3 Taurex P1 Cat/Relixx

Why you putting Taurex in P2 for offense?

[regal ledge]

Hmm? Ebon at P1

[tawdry coyote]

3 1
4
5 2

[regal ledge]

Oh I mean Ebon was P1 with Dururu team

That lost so I tried swapping to P2

[regal ledge]

I’ll try this when I have tickets

[tawdry coyote]

How'd it go?

Hope everyone is ready for the merger...

[regal ledge]

I tried with dururu first and won with all 5 of my tickets so now he changed his team comp to stag Ebon lynx relix and shrimp

So no chance to try yet haha

[regal ledge]

Looking forward to it

[tawdry coyote]

[modern lichen]

is Wiz = Floaty Dokey or different?

[shell grail]

yes

[modern lichen]

I see, thank you. I don't know if I should pull him because it is cute or not because I don't if I'll need wiz

[digital spoke]

30 ticket 🥹

[tawdry coyote]

Grats! Although it only useful on triple dark A10.

FA, no change with merger. Still place same.

[digital spoke]

Yeah Hahahaha

[shell grail]

finally found a Flutterby user

after the merge

[regal ledge]

After server merge top 2 uses bunny and ursa.. squib, hippo and lynx. any tips on wining this comp? @tawdry coyote

[tawdry coyote]

Oroboros with 6★ feather and then its toys, Taurex, Toko, Relixx, Alynx

[regal ledge]

Cool, will try tomorrow !

[regal ledge]

Thank you

[shell grail]

@tawdry coyote how to against Flutterby?

[tawdry coyote]

What do you mean just Flutterby ?

[tawdry coyote]

[shell grail]

usually, ebon flutterby mite toko shrmip

alt. stall team

[tawdry coyote]

You just need damage. Flutterby shield always procs before Taurex.

So don't even try to interrupt it with your own Taurex

Suiryū, Hippo, Mite, Taurex, Toko should be fine

Or Shrimpaler instead of Tokotoko

[shell grail]

will try that, ty

[tawdry coyote]

Not in that order

Just order so your Taurex charges

[regal ledge]

Unfortunately bunnybot too op

Worked once, got lucky lol. So RNG

My orob don’t have 6 star feather, how can you get that?

[shell grail]

didn't work out xD

[regal ledge]

Lol maybe we are unlucky

Got a ursa lynx Ebon squib and bunny team, can’t win , not enough damage

[topaz shoal]

https://streamable.com/mw0c1u

this comp seems to work out

my squid only a2

[tawdry coyote]

Awww

[shell grail]

dont worry, current goal is to maintain top100 now

might last minute run to top30 if I can

just a lot of new lineups to be face

[topaz shoal]

i need more damage

[tawdry coyote]

Yes you do

Two defenders, two healers, one cc dps (low dmg)

Need at least two dps

[keen verge]

Do you know if sunshine ignores ursa glacier cc resist?

[tawdry coyote]

It does not ignore the accuracy part.

[tawdry coyote]

Thanks for all the fun y'all, Bunny officially out!

[topaz shoal]

[royal lagoon]

what's premium beans fore?

[burnt arch]

stagthorn first skill (on front line) can't interrupt hippo skill anymore?
I don't know if my stag skill faster or enemy hippo skill slower that it won't cancel hippo skill anymore

[shell grail]

watch a replay

[burnt arch]

Yeah i watched

[shell grail]

depend on position and your awakening too

also interruption from enemy

[burnt arch]

It just happen recently so i'm not sure if it bc of the patch or i just awaken 1 more time on stag

Bc of awakening then i guess?

[keen verge]

Its something new i think. Defending stag pulled my hippo then my hippo used vortex afterwards. It happenee twice already.

Can you send me match details i wanna check somethng

[burnt arch]

detail like this? or the video?

this change always mess up my stag/dino combo, since hippo now vortex after my stag pull which interrupt my dino

[waxen spoke]

Long time - no see. Got some cool awakenings, but because I don't play PvP, my toys are trash and I'm top 30 on FA. If I had more 6* toys - I'd be easily top 10, maybe even 1st🦧

[burnt arch]

btw, what is the position of defending stag in your match, are they front line?

[keen verge]

this formation, before the merge patch, im sure hippo skill is cancelled

[burnt arch]

yup it was always cancel hippo

until recently

[keen verge]

i attacked twice

defending stag was in frontline

first as pos 1, then pos 2

[burnt arch]

like merging won't make ranking hard enuf, now netmarble nerf my combo

[keen verge]

if im right, they also changed something about ebon taurex pushback

[burnt arch]

I also notice that

[keen verge]

thanks for sharing. i tot it only happens when stag is defending. it seems, attacking stag also doesnt cancel hippo lol

[burnt arch]

look like we have to relearn some formation again

[burnt arch]

yw, and thanks for your sharing as well

[keen verge]

this new thing about stag and hippo is beneficial for me. sorry for u tho. who knows maybe its just a bug

[burnt arch]

hope so, too bad I don't have good hippo and alynx

now both of them can easily function even with pulled from stag

[keen verge]

you can just swap placements i.e. your oro and dino

that way oro will cancel hippo skill and dino is free

[burnt arch]

that match is fine, my oro will skill after taurex push which is benefit to me

in that position taurex will push oro into a nice position without cancel his skill

[keen verge]

yes i can already imagine that

[shell grail]

top 30 or 10 with those, I might say weak region.
weaker than Asia ofc

[thorny herald]

Is Sunshine good in the front line with Dururu or Ebon?

[topaz shoal]

ebon

[waxen spoke]

Just upgraded this guy today. Placed into my Def set up. Will see how it goes. Testing 3 healers setup

Toko, shrimp, Disbelief and shine with ebon

[shell grail]

GL, root for result

hesitate what to pick.
Hippo 7 -> 10 (66% or wait a month for 100%)
Stag -> 7
Squibby -> 7
any opinion?

[waxen spoke]

I love my stag. I have a0 hippo ahaha

Stag is a killer, I must say

[waxen spoke]

Anyone here used attacking formation stag+hyppo+dyno? In my mind stag pulls everyone, hyppo helps stag and dyno smashes very hard. I don't have high awakened hyppo, so I can't test it:(

[shell grail]

overrate dino, didn't like him

[shell grail]

@waxen spoke u can try something like this too

[waxen spoke]

I don't like flutterbe

Or what's its name

[shell grail]

his skill casting time is the fastest

[spring forum]

Dino if you keep is back line it really destroy the enemy fam but his thin like paper 😂

I have Dino awaken 10 5 star 3 toys and he hits like a truck 🛻

[shell grail]

he usually cant even did a single hit. LMAO

even he can land, he cant kill anyone. (on my server)

my poor Dino, shame u

[spring forum]

Well I did test him along with relixx a10 and it’s really good but then I have to compromise my lynx that’s the reason I took him out of comp

[shell grail]

and now Sunshine came, his nemesis with a.lynx in the back.

he couldnt do sheet

[topaz shoal]

how important is sunshine in arena?

[shell grail]

great tank with RNG debuff

[plain halo]

Hi guys, need your input on how to set up my elemental deck, prio PVE. I'd like to hear your feedback. here's my current familiars.

I'm a returnee player and getting confuse with most of the new mechanics in game 🙂 thanks in advance!

@tawdry dawn

[tawdry dawn]

For PVE, prioritiy would be

1. Attack type
2. CP/awake levels and jellies
3. Elemental advantage

so if you're rocking fire, i'd go with mite, sore boar and sparkee/toko

[plain halo]

how about the other elements?

i have water, dark, light, earth decks

I also have PVP deck but only for daily not for lava

last how about for support type given that I don't have that much damage if I team up with other. So atleast I can support them hehe

[shell grail]

u guys might be on the wrong topic, this topic all about Familiar Arena

[plain halo]

I'm actually referred by @gaunt thunder to this topic

[tawdry dawn]

same concept. Focus on attack fams/fams with attack type abilities

[shell grail]

here we go again,
hesitate what to pick.
Hippo 7 -> 10 (wait for this upcoming egg)
Stag -> 7
Squibby -> 7
Bunnybot -> 7 (wait for this upcoming egg)
any opinion?

[topaz shoal]

squid squid squid

squid or stag

[shell grail]

already have a10 toko, FYI

[topaz shoal]

toko no match for squid squid squid

squid + toko + sun + archansas + dino

[shell grail]

already a squid fanboy, huh?

[topaz shoal]

was since last year

[shell grail]

your poor team no toko

[topaz shoal]

since my squid a0

[tawdry coyote]

Bunnybot, Squibby, Hippo, or Stag in that preference order.

[shell grail]

if I add more preference, like the new upcoming Familiar will be Cactus.

[tawdry coyote]

Remember, with Grandprix is 3× same element familiar buff.

For those who asked earlier, here's my stance on Dino. It's complete garbage with any amount of spenders on your server. If you have no spenders, it's still bad, but vs weak stuff, you can get away with anything.

As far as a generic dark unit, it is squishy, has the lowest priority of any initial cast and subsequent casts are still slow, it knocks back in an inconsistent manner if it doesn't die first.

[tawdry coyote]

I put that order for reason of new familiar coming out.

People downplay how good bunnybot is vs certain tech.

[tawdry coyote]

Depends on what defense has, but both are fine. I'd probably opt for Sunshine Dururu over Taurex. Taurex+Dururu is redundant.

[tawdry coyote]

Dino so bad though. That dies to any ranged combo, puffu comps, Kona comps, hippo comps,

[topaz shoal]

Wowie you back?

I use dino cause nothing else good for me

[tawdry coyote]

No, I'm not back. Just answered a few questions.

[topaz shoal]

I only have a6 aurora a9 dino a8 mite and a8 oro

No good attack

I mean bad awaken

[waxen spoke]

Stag+kona+mite is a combo against Disbelief+Toko combo

[shell grail]

is Cactus a must-have?

[waxen spoke]

Cactus is frequently used on Korean servers

[tawdry coyote]

It's good for both PvP and FA/GP

[waxen spoke]

I can't win most of my attacks now. But win most defenses. The problem is that people don't attack me now like at all. Today I fist time in 6 month did not make it even to top 30. I'm very disappointed. Devs are bastards! They shouldn't have added fam toys for 5x5 arena. Before that obtaining 5-6 toys was hard and not many people had them and now every single ill dog has them and basically can win without any understanding of the strategy!

Now my question, any ideas how to 100% win against taurex, sun, Disbelief, shrimp, toko?

[shell grail]

I won that lineup with my ebon mite a.lynx toko and relixx

[waxen spoke]

@shell grail will try, hmm. Do you think that fire lynx can be played now against healers?

[shell grail]

dont think so

this new lizard gonna make healing stall team hurt
https://sites.google.com/view/ninokuro-en-hub/familiars/familiars-list/familiar-reed

[waxen spoke]

@shell grail when will we have it?

[shell grail]

new lizard? IDK

[shell grail]

try here @torn loom

[torn loom]

I need help with a Defense and Offensive line up

[shell grail]

From what u got.
for defense, Sunshine + Dururu front, bunny toko back
last slot would be mite or suiryu

[torn loom]

Thank you, any idea on ATKing?

[shell grail]

attacking depends on your opponent and u lack of variety. try attack 3 times a week (or more on you certainly win) and defense it all.

[torn loom]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-double-thumbs-up-like-agreed-yup-gif-11663223

[tawdry coyote]

https://youtu.be/hVF7ZmQwfx8

The English site doesn't show it's tunneler, but it's tunneler.

Idk what devs are doing with familiar descriptions like when they first release Dururu, but good luck.

I already yeeted, not returning.

[shell grail]

translated well this time

[tawdry coyote]

Oh! That's not what* I saw

[shell grail]

👀

Rare 6s toy

[tawdry coyote]

[shell grail]

will it affect a lot?

[shell grail]

the field skill one is kinda wrong translated or nerf, right?

no potion and roll prevention

[tawdry coyote]

It's fine

[shell grail]

can we skip?

we already have Dururu

[tawdry coyote]

Ugh, it's good to have for Squibby?

[shell grail]

I have toko, so I skip Squibby

not everyone got usable Squibby so skippable, I guess

[keen verge]

Cactus can kill squibby?

Also is cactus still invincible when relix, hippo, aurora use i initial skill?

[tawdry coyote]

It's a Swiss army knife familiar

[tawdry coyote]

During Relixx I think, during Hippo no, during Alynx definitely not

[keen verge]

Cool

[tawdry coyote]

During Hippo there might be some cases

If it has delayed tunnel

[keen verge]

Hippo doesnt matter cuz element

[tawdry coyote]

It is slower than Hobgoblin

Fastest tunneler

[keen verge]

I guess alynx is his only problwm

But can he kill squibby? Wdym with swiss army knife familiar

[tawdry coyote]

It's good in PvE, PvP, FA/GP

Very versatile

[keen verge]

Ah i see

Yes i know

What i wanna know is if he can deal with squibby. I have troubles with that fam ahahaha

[shell grail]

he should, if he didn't die first.

[keen verge]

He prolly cant i think? He will tunnel back out before he can kill squiv

[shell grail]

probably

his element win

that's bonus output

disbeleaf and toko got deleted easily by mite +1

[keen verge]

Im not sure if he can kill squibby in time before he tunnels out. I dont see any reason why i pull for him for now

Dururu purloiner can server same purpose as tunneler, unless cactus can kill squibby 😆

[shell grail]

his role might probably against hippo rather than squibby, IMO

u can kill the healer last

[keen verge]

Hippo not my prob. Squibby is. Squibby with sunshine looking really good

[shell grail]

Sunshine is everyone problem

made FA more RNG

[keen verge]

I can deal with sunshine

But when theres squibby its hard

[shell grail]

at least he can cancel Squibby first heal, I believe

[keen verge]

No cant

He cant cancel his skill doesnt do knockdown like dururu

[shell grail]

oh yeah

u're right

[shell grail]

any idea on the Bond Power? @tawdry coyote

[tawdry coyote]

What do you mean?

Anyways, I'll be leaving server now. Not in a good place. I might return if things get better, but who knows.

Idk what will happen to this thread, but hopefully it doesn't get deleted.

Anyways, it's been fun chatting, sharing, learning, debating, teaching, etc.

Appreciate y'all.

[shell grail]

gl and c u

[waxen spoke]

I got molten lion on 100 points, awakened him to 5. When I come from work, I'll finish the banner. But idk if I'll go to a7 with cactus. I have oroboros a10 to combine with a9 deer for killing squibby, suriyu and Hippocampus. Maybe will buy copies to bring him to a3 and that's it. Don't think that Cactus is worth investing to go a7, what do u think?

[shell grail]

I probably skip it, only open some from tickets I got left

[waxen spoke]

@shell grail I think that the remaining 50 points in banner will grant me 1 cactus. Another 1 can be obtained via new daily login. + 2 copies can be bought for stars, so it's a3, hehe. My squiby is also a3, cause I skipped it and somehow got 2, then bought 2

[shell grail]

GL

[waxen spoke]

Will need to think a lot on making 3 solid teams for the tournament. In the evening will send my fams here, let's think together😁

I have plans to upgrade Puffu from 5 to 7. My friend uses it and is always top 10. But his Puffu is a9 with 6 star toys

[shell grail]

@keen verge @waxen spoke might be interesting to u guys
he just disappear (invincible 1 sec, I guess) to does his skill to the furthest then back to where he jumped.

look like he's not a tunneller as he should be.
global version or bug?

[keen verge]

the same happened when someone attacked me in grand prix

his cactus didnt tunnel. its bugged lol

[waxen spoke]

So)

did 1 banner

2 cactus, 1 molten lion and 1 raundeer!

lion is a5 now

has someone opened rare fam toy?

[shell grail]

half banner (using coupon), 1 Cactus, 1 Penguin, 1 Bryde and 7 extra 4* familiars

[waxen spoke]

i got like 4 byrde

[shell grail]

I lack of light fams

stil half banner to go to complete the cycle

[waxen spoke]

haha)) time to open dis balls

[shell grail]

will complete it after get last 300-days coupon on 23th

[shell grail]

GL

[shell grail]

I cant afford it. spend less now

[waxen spoke]

4к dollars total

[keen verge]

let us know your thoughts about cactus once u use it in FA tq

[shell grail]

A4 is not enough

[shell grail]

@waxen spoke can u show us what the rare 6s toy give us?

• red glove
• pink jacket
• feather
• yellow glove (specific)
• life jacket (specific)
• green hairpin (cd reduction)
• green hairpin (Shrimpaler, the heal amount)

[keen verge]

Rare toys has two effects: first is the effect of a normal toy, second effect varies

Red glove skill dmg 4
Pink jacket dmg reduce 4
Feathe atk spd 4
Yellow glove additonal dmg to counter element 10 (i.e. relix more dmg against light familiar)
Life jacket less dmg taken depends on element same as yellow glove
Geen hairpin - more hp heal

[shell grail]

what about cd reduction green hairpin?

[topaz shoal]

[shell grail]

report it for me Yetimod, @topaz shoal

[topaz shoal]

Ok will do mr ca

C*

[shell grail]

after Sunshine and Bonding tree patches, I defense up here.
sadly, I can't attack anyone, they won't die.
that's a waste of tickets and competitive hearts.

[flat crane]

whats you defense setup?

[topaz shoal]

Up

[shell grail]

Sunshine + Ebon + 3

[flat crane]

i use this one

for grand prix im using these 3

anything i should change?

[shell grail]

that's look nice as stall comp, someone use Disbeleaf instead of Boar

[shell grail]

no idea for GP, just do it

[waxen spoke]

idk, wish my dururu was a10 instead of a7

got this boy into my GP team

[rich sage]

not sure if this is the place to ask but imma tryyyy, so i have a few eggs unopened, and now i struggle much on my arena, anyone can give advice oon which one to choose?

oh i also have a0 hippo, a0 stag, and a0 squibby, all of them on 300 jelli already! if anyone can give insight it much appreciated!

[waxen spoke]

I have a9 stag and luv it. Suggest making him a7. Can be placed into def deck with toko, taurex, sun, shrimp.
But those boxes! Damn! Why u dont open them?!

[rich sage]

best i can do with 5 eggs are... awk 5 stag, me kinda bit wary of choosing stag since first thing because the nerf from stag where nm reduce the range of doing the vacuum thingy

ahhahahha idk i do not find any use of those boxes, my exquisite alr lv 10 long ago and only parry left at lv 9, and i dont know what to do for the boxes :(( all alt skill maxed alr

[waxen spoke]

they have nice rewards. id opened them if i were u.

Stag nerfed? ha-ha. nice joke) 1 of the best fems for arena, since he destroys ideal formations by pulling healers from the back row

• he has a nice damage output

and he can be used in PvP, because he boosts defence

[rich sage]

ohh so stag isnt nerfed much? i do think i might get him later i guess

here are my fam as per now, and mostly i use the cat for attacking, idk much cuz the cat is cute i always bring everywhere

[waxen spoke]

it is not nerfed at all. great fam!

U have better options than cat

your cat is weak

[rich sage]

my composition mostly consisted of sun and ebon, along with sui and shrimp and toko after, but sometimes i switch toko to cat?

abit mess in fam arena really 😭

[waxen spoke]

Toko+sun+shrimp+boar+disbelief. try this for your def. Later on swap boar with taurex, when u bring him to a7

[rich sage]

thats why im very careful in choosing the rare so it can help me much in the arena

[rich sage]

so taurex is minimal a7 yes? okiii ! i will try and try to see resultt

thank you very much, vegapunk

i think stag listen to your calling, i literally just opened the egg and got him

[waxen spoke]

haha! im jelous!

[waxen spoke]

yes, a7 minimum

[tight glade]

who do i enhance next after sunshine? mostly focused on def

[shell grail]

where's your ebon or dururu?

[waxen spoke]

Sort fams by BR

[tight glade]

whoops. here you go

[tight glade]

attached a new image, ebon already +300, dururu a6, is that still fine

[waxen spoke]

Toko, disb, shrimp, sun, boar - id used this formation for def

[flat crane]

I got a few 6* toy chest I haven't used yet but idk who to go for
Also I have disbelief A10, is it worth it to change boar for him?

[waxen spoke]

boom!

good day)

[shell grail]

try him for us, even his skill still bug

[waxen spoke]

i dont think that its bugged

[shell grail]

its bugged, he should reappear at where he used skill, not reappear where hu jumped

I cross checked with the KR version already

[waxen spoke]

maybe they've changed him

like puf-puf

or Puffu

in Korea Puffu has extra damage on frozen fams

[shell grail]

that's field skill

[waxen spoke]

no on fam arena he has also extra damage, ;ike hipocampus

[flat crane]

Is he worth at aw3?

[waxen spoke]

idk/ on fam arena probably not. in pvp u ned to test it yourself

Let's make 3 decent teams together, boiis!

[topaz sandal]

Why is ebon good?

[topaz shoal]

it can cancel skills

[waxen spoke]

rushes front and absorbs DPS attacks

[spring forum]

If the enemies team have lynx your ebon would die easy if I were you I would put sunshine in front if sunshine have at least 5 star toys. It can take lot of damage .. while ebon can charge from back line which minimize the damage to ebon and when push back skill happen it’s really effective straight to the core of enemies back line ..

[spring forum]

Here it’s more ideal to switch stag and spongie his skill will take 5% of Hp which will drain him out easy if that mite might not be able to make in his way before enemies lock into spongie it’s a risk but if it works it’s good

[flat crane]

I have the 6* boxes still but idk if it's worth to spend them of sun

I changed dururu with molten from team 1 and team 2 but I'm considering add disbelief to the equation

[spring forum]

Disbeleaf will definitely help you survive longer but it all depends on opponent comp

[flat crane]

Yea I know. I just want to take the most advantage of the familiars I have

Ty for the ideas tho. I think I'll do what you said regarding sun

[flat crane]

Tried merging 6* for the rare and got this one 🥲

[rugged bridge]

Rare TOY

[flat crane]

I just wanted one I could use 😅

[waxen spoke]

this is amazing! I want this toy for my dude!
i have a 4st i need to swap

[waxen spoke]

And I got this one from grand arena bundle

[shell grail]

what does the bottom effect say?

[waxen spoke]

+4% attack speed

this is the most useless toy

it doesnt benefit any familiar more than their personal toy

im very sad that i got it

who has hippocampus a7+, want to know his kd on fam arena

@shell grail

[shell grail]

hmm?

[shell grail]

most of top players should had it

[waxen spoke]

my is a0

do u have it?

[shell grail]

yes

[waxen spoke]

is his cooldown also 40 seconds?

[shell grail]

battle skill cd reduce every awakening

field skill cd doesn't

[waxen spoke]

how many on a7?

[shell grail]

26

[waxen spoke]

ok and how many hits he does? 2 or 3?

[shell grail]

not sure, didn't use him for a while

his skill there for CC

[waxen spoke]

i know that he can make toko not to use his ult

[shell grail]

base on UI, from top

• Passive
• Field skill (PVP and PVE use this skill, cd not reduce from awakening)
• Battle skill (FA, FGP use this skill, cd reduce from awakening)

[shell grail]

if he can reach Toko

[waxen spoke]

there is stag for that moment)

[shell grail]

Dururu can do that role

[waxen spoke]

Sometimes Dururu doesnt jump on toko

and my dururu is a7 with 4st toys

so i dont use it

[shell grail]

on attack, u can place him to do that role

on defense, u cant predict

[waxen spoke]

i prefer stag, cause its a9 with 556 toys

a7 with 4st is too squishy

[shell grail]

my poor Stag is a3

My Dururu is a10 with 566 toys

use them from what u got

and yeah, maybe diff region diff strategy

[waxen spoke]

ьфтн зшзы гыу вгкгкг руку

oh, sorry

many pips use Dururu here

but i use toko and disb on def

good stuff now to hide toko

so opponent will have difficulty on deciding where to place dururu

since dur jumps on the furthest opponent

[shell grail]

If I saw toko on the backline, my dururu will always interrupt first heal from Toko

and absorb the aoe skill from a.lynx hippo

or anything

that's his role

[waxen spoke]

im very sad that i did not get him very strong

[shell grail]

u still has stag

position destroyer

[waxen spoke]

i had a7 with 4 copies. used 4 tries in a row for 50% and guess what? 4 fails in a row haha. thats dururu

[waxen spoke]

I personally think that stag is the best fam for fam arena

both attack and def

[shell grail]

sadly, I dont have him high enough

[waxen spoke]

u know how there are fams with wide AOE like sage and with small aoe like siuriu

small AOE is compensated with high damage

so when stag pulls everyone, all of them get damage from siu, since they are close

so not only he is a formation destroyer, he also is a great fam for pulling together

[shell grail]

the coming of Sunshine and Bonding Powers change everything now

[waxen spoke]

for more damage output

[shell grail]

ppl go more defensive style

with the missing chance from Sunshine

[waxen spoke]

yes, i also play 3 healers, sun and taurex

on def

im top 30 just because i love attacking. and as u know now to win attack is almost impossible

wince everyone is stalling

[shell grail]

yes, I rarely win now

need to play passive

[waxen spoke]

i tell this myself all the time