BLACK KNIGHT ARMOR + QUICK OVERCOME

[sullen mason]

does the black knight armor and quick overcome passive skill (minus duration of crowd control skills) adds up??

[fluid garden]

It does stack, but it would be a bit redundant. No point on having too much cc duration reduction

[sullen mason]

No point? combination of those 2 is 80% cc duration , major cc in game is 2 sec minus 80% its .24 second, ur basically unstoppable in PvP, u also a main destro I assume, u probably play lava valley and a destro playstyle is going front tanking them and catching them, before u get near almost player in Lava has CC skill to stop you and you saying this is no point?

[fluid garden]

Because there's no point in having too much cc duration reduction, would be better to build cc res instead.

Having those two would be redundant

You need to waste either armor slot for black knight armor, which is less useful than celest, and throwaway 1 passive slot for quick overcome. It'd be much much better to use just one of them

So yea. That's my opinion on why there's no point on having too much cc duration reduction. If you still wanna use it, do use it. I'm only stating my opinion

Also, not to mention the fact that cc resist is much easier to get since there's ton of familiar who can give that effect. By having cc resist rate, you wouldn't need cc duration reduction. And we don't know whether there's a soft cap for that stat or not. So yea, this destroyer will say confidently that using too much cc duration reduction is no use.

[sullen mason]

Y u keep saying redundant? lol u just say it adds up, combination of those 2 is 80% how is that redundant? I can't comprehend your IQ hahaha r u really a gamer? and u really want to compare cc resist to -cc duration? do you really understand this game?

if u only has black knight armor a10 u only has 40% -cc duration so a 2 sec cc will give u 1.12 sec compare having both to .24 millisecond and u saying this is redundant? hahahahahaha where does ur IQ came from?

[fossil river]

With the Immortal Helmet and Rimu you can completely block stun 100% :o

Oh also Peanut Balls

[sullen mason]

but u need awaken10 of rimu to block stun 100% and its literally impossible to awake him unless u spend so much money in asterite to buy him, compared to black knight armor + quick overcome passive skill

[sullen mason]

I bet u don't play lava valley seeing ur response.

[sullen mason]

or if you play lava I'm sure even with that 1.7m cp u cant get past top 5% up

I'm only 1.6 and im in top1%

[fluid garden]

lmfao, aren't you proud of yourself.

sure thing mate, you're real pro

[fluid garden]

And I alr state why it's redundant, either you're too damn stupid to understand or what. Idk

[fluid garden]

boohoo your shtty rank

boo fkn hoo

[fluid garden]

which server is this? dead eu server?

oh nvm, you're in asia too. feeling proud of platinum score right after reset? lmfao.

talk sht so loudly yet not even understanding what I'm trying to point out. What a clown 🤣

[fluid garden]

also to add some cherries on top. there's tons of other familiars who can boost your cc res up to 100%.

stag, ebon taurex/bunnybot (when shield is up), etc for example. so yea, cc res > cc duration, as IT IS fkn easier to build. If you still don't understand this, then go succ a dicc rather than acting like one.

[fossil river]

Is there a reason to be so aggressive?

[fossil river]

Nope BTW

Only A7, which knocks out half of the asterite cost

490k Asterite

So it's like.. 1,500$ of Asterite which is still a lot

And if you drop down to only 4 copies you only lose 15%

[fluid garden]

I wouldn't be so aggressive if he didn't reply my answer like that. "Can't comprehend my iq, didn't understand the game, didn't play lava, must be low rank."

[fossil river]

He wasn't really being rude though

You on the other hand came out all aggressive and were very rude

[fluid garden]

Fr? Not being rude?

Fr?

After I answered his question fully detailed above. Kk

[fossil river]

He was saying that stun is the worst CC

So stun is the one that people need to minimize right now

[fluid garden]

Damn man, at least read the full convo.

I answered his question fully detailed, even telling him the reason as to why I think using both black knight armor & quick overcome is considered as redundant, which then he acts like an 4sshat just because he can't understand what I'm pointing out.

[fossil river]

Oh I see :o

I didn't read his comment that talked about IQ

[fluid garden]

Np man, all cool

[fossil river]

Yeah, CC Resist > CC Reduction

But still if what you have is Black Knight Armor, stacking it with Quick Overcome could be a good move

50% reduction isn't terrible

[tropic mango]

How can we get 100% CC resist? I can't find it anywhere I know Rimu only resists stuns it's not every CC

I used Bunnybot for awhile (55% CC resist) but the shield pops right after a single hit. 11% of my Max HP isn't alot.

Also quick question if i resisted a stun do i still take damage from it?

[fluid garden]

Can't really help you to check every single familiar effect, since my game has some problem rn and I can't open it.

But check Staghorn & Ebon Taurex Effect. The effect itself won't be permanent, though it'd be plenty to initiate the fight. As for the small bunnybot shield amt that gives cc res effect, well can't do much about it other than try to awaken that fam higher.

[fossil river]

Stun is the big one to resist, and most whales focus on resisting it

[tropic mango]

What are the most common and deadly stuns that whales are so afraid of?

[fossil river]

Breaking wave on Witch

[sullen mason]

I think you should better understand what is the word redundant means lol, don't use words that u don't fully understand its meaning lol, thats why I said ur IQ is low

[fluid garden]

You still don't get it do you?

[sullen mason]

please search google

[fluid garden]

Wasting 1 armor slot & 1 passive slot for something that is too much. THAT IS redundant

Nvm.

[sullen mason]

see ur IQ???

[fluid garden]

Yeah. Nvm.

[sullen mason]

if you combine both u have 80% CC reduction dude!! u really dont get it do you??

if u only have 1 u only have 40%

[fluid garden]

How stupid can you be, I alr explain it to you.

[sullen mason]

how tf that is redundant??

cant u comprehend the 80% CC vs 40% ??????

thats so much difference lol

[fluid garden]

Best slot armor would be Celest.
Best passive slot for destro would be Parry, Avenging, Fiery Brand or anything.

If you use black knight armor alr, it means you already used 1 slot for cc duration reduction.
Then you want to waste 1 more passive slot for just an extra quick overcome passive? Not to mention you need to whale on it for it to be 80% in total.

Not to mention we don't know whether there's a soft cap for that stat or not

So yea, you're stupid ass still can't comprehend this?

[signal warren]

U roasted him rigjt lol. Do you have a swordsman friend that can guide like you do?

[sullen mason]

you basically said its adds up lol

[fluid garden]

I did say it adds up

[sullen mason]

see ur very first comment

[fluid garden]

I never said it doesn't have cap or not

Do you not get it?

20 + 20 does stack

But the max amt might be 50%

[sullen mason]

so how is that a waste????

[fluid garden]

So even if you use both a10 black armor & lvl 10 quick overcome, it might not reach 80% in total

[sullen mason]

lol now u have "might be 50% max" hahahaha

[fluid garden]

Not to mention, my main point is this:

You want to waste armor slot for CC Reduction
You want to waste 1 passive slot for another CC Reduction passive

Why need so much cc reduction passive in the first place? You can easily build CC res to 100% that allow you to IGNORE that CC in the first place.

[fluid garden]

I alr state this above tbf. You're just blind af

[marsh nebula]

OMG this is so interesting

[sullen mason]

u really dont get what a 80% cc reduction do you??

[fluid garden]

You're both blind and dumb, and so full of yourself

[quasi robin]

Interesting

[sullen mason]

ur basically unstoppable

[fluid garden]

FFS, 80% cc duration reduction just means you get cc'ed for less time

[dry stratus]

0:

[fluid garden]

Build CC Res instead

You won't get cc'ed

Dumbass.

As it is much easier to build CC res in the first place instead of CC Duration Reduction

[sullen mason]

its only resist dude lol

[fluid garden]

So IT IS redundant to use both black armor & quick overcome

[sullen mason]

its not 100% u dont get stun lol

[marsh nebula]

It’s already a waste by wasting those 2 just for cc reduction tbh

[fluid garden]

FFS, CC Res means not getting stunned

100% cc res means you completely ignore any cc effect

You're dumb, istg

[sullen mason]

its resist rate lol

[fluid garden]

Jesus fc.

[sullen mason]

u even dont know what is resist rate??

[fluid garden]

100% resist rate = 100% chance to ignore it

@merry mulch Teach this guy how not to be stupid

Istg this guy is even dumber than the people who believe earth is flat

[sullen mason]

theres no 100% resist rate in the game lol wahahahahaha

[covert whale]

Can that also resist the damage you'll take from the whale players?

[fluid garden]

Staghorn + Ebon + Bunny, can get your cc res to 100%.

[fluid garden]

The damage no, just the effect

[fluid garden]

Only need a0 stag + bunny can get your cc res up to 70% alr.

Now you wanna talk sht again?

[covert whale]

Then in my opinion I choose to build high HP and def

[fluid garden]

You're the one who don't know things here bro. I alr explained it above nicely.

Yet you're being an ass acting as if you know stuff, which you don't.

And still want to make a joke out of yourself

[sullen mason]

try to ups a 70% in game let see how much will fail

compared having a 80% cc reduction

[fluid garden]

I can literally run through everyone's cc just by using stag & bunny. How'd I know? I have those.

But nvm.

You do you. Seems like even after long ass explanation you're still so fixated on that build

[sullen mason]

but that is not the point

[neat gorge]

cc reduction means you will still get interrupted from casting some skills so cc resist is just better in general

[sullen mason]

u change our argument

[merry mulch]

Use black Knight armor as imprint fodder

[fluid garden]

I changed the argument? I did?

[sullen mason]

the argument is how tf is that a redundant??

[fluid garden]

FFS, it's back to first step all over again

[fluid garden]

start from here, read it slowly.

[sullen mason]

because u don't understand what redundant means lol

[fluid garden]

redundant is being too much, exceeding something that is not needed.

building black armor & quick overcome just trying to get out from people cc is redundant

[sullen mason]

u keep saying it and u really dont get what my point having both to 80% total

[fluid garden]

you're wasting best armor slot (celest) and best passive slot on destro just for that?

go build cc res instead, same effect. even better in fact

still don't understand? i give up

[sullen mason]

a 2 sec CC will be only .24 millisecond brooooooo how tf is that a waste

[fluid garden]

build cc res, that 2 sec cc will be only 0 sec.

that without the need of wasting any armor/passive slot.

[eager arrow]

Only if you have high cc res

[fluid garden]

but kkkkkk, you do you.

[sullen mason]

here we go again with the cc resist rate

[eager arrow]

and its not guaranteed

[fluid garden]

as I said, easy to build cc res.

[eager arrow]

you could die, you could not.

[sullen mason]

thats the point

[merry mulch]

Building CC res is easy, HP on the other hand...

[fluid garden]

rather than jumping into convo, try to read from above and follow what i'm trying to point out

[eager arrow]

I just did

if you dont understand what I said, it doesn't mean I agree with you or him. just stating what it means

[fluid garden]

then nvm. go on and build that a10 black knight armor, lvl 10 quick overcome

feel free to waste every resources you have for those.

for that glorious 80% cc duration reduction that won't take any resources at all, it's not redundant, no it's not.

[sullen mason]

cc resist rate is not guaranteed compared to 80% cc reduction which is guaranteed and this guy saying its waste

[eager arrow]

I have reason to believe that you're using the word redundant incorrectly though..

[sullen mason]

a 2 sec CC will become .24 millisecond how is that a waste

[fluid garden]

No, it is redundant. Wasting 1 armor slot, 1 passive slot just for trying to escape enemy cc, when you can have the same effect by building cc res which is much easier instead. it is redundant.

[sullen mason]

and u keep saying redundant and make me really sht thats why i said ur IQ is low

[fluid garden]

You can have almost the same effect by doing somethinig else entirely that won't cost you armor slot (which could be used for celest that have a much better effect), and passive slot for that. THAT is redundant. Nvm nvm

I lost, you won. You do you. Sht on me all you want, you do you.

[sullen mason]

bro 40% + 40% = 80% is not redundant

[fluid garden]

bro... the redundant thing is not about the effect. it's about wasting your armor & passive slot trying to reach that high cc duration reduction.

ffs. I'm blocking this dmbass fker

[sullen mason]

2 second CC = .24 millisecond just gonna leave it here i'm out lol

[merry mulch]

People here can't read or use their own brain what do you expect

[fluid garden]

Yeah, I expect too much I guess 😔

[merry mulch]

Math hard

[fluid garden]

1+1 = 3

[merry mulch]

NNK Asia maths

[fluid garden]

Oh, no gif. No fun

[merry mulch]

Yes gif is racist can't use gif

[sullen mason]

yes 2 low IQ talks to each other hahahaha

[sullen mason]

guaranteed 80% CC reduction vs not guaranteed CC resist rate how is that same effect ???they are both counter for CC but not same effect.... see ur IQ there?

[fluid garden]

get your cc res to 100%, it's guaranteed.

in the end, same effect.

[sullen mason]

oh yeah so which is easier? black armor + quickly overcome for cc reduction or to ur 100% cc res rate??

[fluid garden]

I alr state that getting 100% cc res is much easier.

[sullen mason]

lol how many pic u send hahaha

[fluid garden]

you want 80% cc duration reduction? gl getting your black armor to awakened 10. quick overcome to level 10

[sullen mason]

compare to black armor and quickly overcome haha

[fluid garden]

those are just example pictures. only need 1 bunny bot + helmet, or rimu awakened can get 100% stun res

[sullen mason]

my black armor is on awake 5 now

[fluid garden]

then gl raising it to awaken 7

[sullen mason]

my passive is lvl 7

so now ur getting the point, took u so long

[fluid garden]

nah, i still stand with my point

you're the one who's still oblivious, it seems. but as i said before, you do you

no need to prolong this topic.

just do what you like

[sullen mason]

no bro this is because u keep saying redundant, that just it. im out

[glass yoke]

Yo, I skipped half the convo at some point but ignoring the fact that you both are terrible at explaining something to each other (that is my personal opinion - I still love you both )

I'd like to mention that assuming that 80% cc duration reduction is possible (which it is), it is still worse than 80% stun reduction because your attacks can be cancelled by a single millisecond of cc while resisting still lets you cast your (for example) "Breaking Waves".

On the other side, assuming that Breaking Waves is the main cc threat stun resist allows you to run out of it while a lower stun duration means that you can get out after 1 or 2 stuns by either running or rolling out assuming that there isn't a different cc ability incoming.

So while stun resist does have it's advantages it is to be noted that the popular tarakona knock up ability and other cc abilities like the witch's "piercing storm" are never countered by stun immunity which has to be considered.

Also...not having celestial is pretty bad, if you use healing familiars or get 2 engineers as team mates BUT it is more than acceptable considering that you can dodge some damage by escaping cc chains.

Have a good day and kindly tell me your opinions of my essay that I wrote because I am bored of the little candy sucking witch

tl;dr: Invincibility is the best option. Stun immunity and Stun duration are both viable and have pros and cons.

[cinder reef]

ignoring all of JM's trolling, this thread was really informative. I've been getting stunlocked by breaking wave recently and I never considered building cc res. I have stag and bunny, going to try a few decks with them! thanks everyone for your insights

[little rock]

cc res no soft cap?

[fluid garden]

No, no soft cap.

[fluid garden]

If you read it from the top most part, I've explained everything clearly.

[glass yoke]

Yeah but you also keep talking about bunny bot resistance rates which only works with the active ability for at most 7 seconds. That is not as useful as it may sound.

[fluid garden]

Well, fair enough. Though it still is useful as he is a destro, and he alr state it previously