Yup, chest start giving limit break bonus stats instead of evolving my 4 ready weapons on Bonnie. It did evolve punch to the next thing but that's all she got. Occassionally she got passive upgrades from chests but everything went to Formina
#Emerald Diorama
wintry adder
lunar galleon
wintry adder
Does Bonnie get a solo skin eventually?
wintry adder
The first run I did last night with Bonnie the evolutions were doing the usual stuff, except that it was my first time doing a duo, so I was thrown off by the difference between that and solo
I just unlocked Formina solo skin this run, even tho I don't have Formina unlocked yet
Ok looks like punch unlock is bugged on switch so I won't be getting that stuff for a bit.
somber gazelle
The partner character couldn’t die for some reason
grizzled agate
Can someone tell me which bosses are which, all these unlocks tell me to kill certain bosses but idk who they are
oh wait
wiki moment
trail vault
The partner character couldn’t die for some reason
Even better than intuessnlol
grizzled agate
holy schmowow a guide with images
grizzled agate
Even better than intuessnlol
I think bonnies partner and vice versa cant die
grizzled agate
I just unlocked Formina solo skin this run, even tho I don't have Formina unlock...
that happens
lunar galleon
holy schmowow a guide with images
yw
grizzled agate
living anguish more like my life 🐺 😭🥀 ⛓️💥 💔
grizzled agate
is this on the wiki
lunar galleon
i just added it to the wiki today
grizzled agate
thank you
trail vault
I was gonna say I hope it is, I was just given the image in the discord two days ago. I thought it was there already
wintry adder
Feel like Formina was at least half health at one point that last run
No gold ring on the strip of land
The guide showing it being way above me where I can't go
One pic has boss spawn to see direction it says from known location
So that does sound like a bug right?
lunar galleon
yep
wintry adder
Ok reported!
lavish moth
I have a question, how to get to the south of the map? I turned on the triple speed so I can "fly" over the wall, but if there's another way?
languid bluff
nope you're meant to go out of bounds
trail vault
Yep
tranquil marsh
Is it just me or do the base weapons on inverse mode feel really weak without accounting the || Glimmer techs ||
The dlc weapons specifically
raven aurora
I’ve found the weapons slow to start but pretty good later on in a run.
Not just you I’d say
Saber machine gun evo stands out as particularly mid to me
tranquil marsh
I mean I put a ridiculous amount of gold eggs on two of the characters and they still couldn't kill anything with their base weapon
limpid kettle
every weapon in ED just kinda feels mid to me
tranquil marsh
The ones that don't need items being weaker makes sense but still
raven aurora
It’s really about glimmering the techs
Feels like the techs were supposed to supplement the main weapons but they still fall a bit flat
tranquil marsh
Yeah but both the weapons and the techs should kill, not just the techs
raven aurora
I agree with you
They feel lackluster
Fun in concept but feels like you’re nerfing yourself
trail vault
Mhm, it's a blessing and a curse how true to the source material they are
tranquil marsh
Almost all of the weapons from base game and dlc make it easy but trying to experience the dlc to the fullest without those other weapons is really difficult
trail vault
For inverse I had to abuse a Darcana into the ground
tranquil marsh
It's like they put a damage cap on the weapons from ED
limpid kettle
For inverse I had to abuse a Darcana into the ground
yeah
||a very crystal darkana||
tranquil marsh
Even with 3.40000E gold eggs I still couldn't kill enemies with the ED weapons
lunar galleon
Ok well you wont be killing anything with most weapons
Might has an effective cap,curse does not
limpid kettle
yeah you would need 
tranquil marsh
No, other weapons did kill that's the weird part
lunar galleon
Some weapons scale on more than might
tranquil marsh
So ED weapons Might scaling is just really bad
lunar galleon
Might is just capped
It’s not really to the ED weapons
99% of weapons are the same way at that high of eggs
trail vault
Yeah might can only do too much, but some of the ED weapons do have some lackluster side scalings (or at least some of the techs)
||Why am I still up I need to sleep, I hate this||
tranquil marsh
I get that but I think the enemy scaling is kinda weird too
Like with that absurd amount of eggs I can't kill basic enemies but I can one shot the bosses & I'm pretty sure that bosses scale with Curse too...
limpid kettle
do we think its another neo galuga situation?
tranquil marsh
Probably
lunar galleon
That would be funny lol
limpid kettle
like "oops! scaling is 2x what its supposed to be!"
lunar galleon
Neo galuga had like
10x the intended scaling
It was a lot lol
Tbh i think eggs are also just bugged on the stage
Like you said - bosses are scaling really weird, but also the curse speed boost isn’t applying
marsh briar
Why Ode specifically?
tranquil marsh
Chaos with lots of eggs and Darkana X
Can't really say using a character is a build
I wish The Spirit rings didn't need so much stats
For the techs
lunar galleon
They only need +55%
tranquil marsh
Oh then there's a typo
tranquil marsh
Ohhhhhhh
We need 4 more missile weapons for a missile build
Unless you count the RPG then only 3 more
I just realized they've added at least one gun and one missile weapon in the the last 2 dlc's
Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice
north pawn
Question, do any of the Emerald Diorama weapons work for Grant's knife thing?
raven aurora
Enlighten me on what Grant’s knife thing is
lunar galleon
Taking damage causes all knives you have to activate
The game is really specific about what constitutes a knife - only knife and curved knife counted before. I don’t have access to the game currently, but khukri is probably the only weapon that has a chance of working (khukris are a kind of knife)
lament bear
Where do I find the missing monster entry, the Calamity?
lunar galleon
it's bugged
lament bear
Wack
lunar galleon
they just spawn randomly, tho
lament bear
That's okay
trail vault
Hey @somber gazelle I remember you said Jo was one of your favorite characters in SaGa RS and I happened to stumble across a few screenshots of the different character arts used for the different Jo variants if you'd like them (they're all I was really able to salvage before the servers shut down)
Sorry if the ping bothers you
trail vault
Fair enough lol, just figured in case I'd offer
somber gazelle
Also I rather usually go for the source art
Which is usually uploaded on Twitter or Pixiv
trail vault
Ooo, I'll have to do some digging then!
Thanks for the heads up
Have a good day/night Morrow
lunar spade
Do you see yourself using anything from this dlc later?
I feel i will seal everything like in contra
trail vault
Maybe the Emerald weapon and a the saber and falcon guns
But definitely sealing most of these outside of themed runs
lunar spade
finally unlocked everything in the DLC. Now off to finish the adventure without any unlock
earnest walrus
How do i beat final boss
lunar galleon
Yeah
Living anguish is probably what he was asking about,which was answered already (in another channel)
lunar spade
so have cleared out this DLC and the last update's new stuff.
Did the DLC bring any new metas?
like you know Sammy, Darkanas like level
i was kind of whatever about the DLC weapons
languid bluff
all chars are stronk with crystal cries
lunar galleon
The dlc, probably not. There hasn’t been extensive testing, but nothing 
levels. Same goes for the characters really
lunar spade
all chars are stronk with crystal cries
Yeah crystal cries can carry often and troll bomb makes things easy
wintry adder
I update what I said a few days ago, you can in fact do the punch kick and the duo character unlocks on switch. I thought I was blocked due to issues with the game
shut lotus
If She-Moon adventure is hard because of the lack of 
, this one is hard for the lack of torches.
To the point everyone relies heavily on Crystal Cries
Granted it might be just me doing on Inverse. Who knows 🤔
harsh bluff
I LOVE Crystal Cries+Showstopper. It's Glorious!
Did the Milk Factory with Paradox Diva and 300 milk elementals died hella quick
wintry adder
Does it really have a lack of torches?
I've always found torches just sometimes don't seem to show up when you need em, buts it's always felt RNG to me more than anything.
lunar galleon
It is rng, actually
wintry adder
Sometimes I'm just not moving around enough as, and correct me if I'm wrong, torches only spawn off screen. So if you aren't moving enough to explore new space, AKA barely moving or going in small circles, you won't see as many torches.
lunar galleon
Every second it tries to spawn some outside of your screen, with the successful chance being increased with luck
lunar galleon
Sometimes I'm just not moving around enough as, and correct me if I'm wrong, tor...
Yep
wintry adder
Sometimes I get way more torches than I'd ever need, dropping items that I don't need at the moment like repeat turkeys or magnets
lunar galleon
Emerald Diorama Map with Bosses and Drops
Note: When playing in Inverse Mode with "Visually Invert Stages" enabled in Options, the locations of everything are flipped horizontally and vertically. For example, this causes Grelon to move from the South-East ( ↘️ ) portal to the North-West portal ( ↖️
wintry adder
I'm actually happy they added that setting about actually visually inverting stages
Especially when I got to Yomi, when walking on bridges you can't see a lot of monsters about to hit you cause they are under an environment piece
shut lotus
Is there not a legit way to reach Physic Orge without flying out of bounds?
manic turret
Is there not a legit way to reach Physic Orge without flying out of bounds?
kill every single boss in emerald diorama including (i think?) the 25m one
marsh briar
Idk if you have to kill the Monarch but I do think fighting all the portal bosses does it
wintry adder
Is it normal on inverted maps to fight bosses for like 30 mins and they still not ded?
limpid kettle
Is it normal on inverted maps to fight bosses for like 30 mins and they still no...
unfortunately yeah kinda
inverse ED is kinda rough
wintry adder
I got this guy where the fists are at 70 mins just hoping I don't crash before I kill him
Earlier I went an popped the guy you have to clip walls to get to but I have no idea where he is lol. Pretty sure I haven't killed because his weapon isn't anywhere on the ground
Next candy box I get I'm getting the amoungus tongue. Hopefully with that fists and the hammer with super crits something will die
limpid kettle
Next candy box I get I'm getting the amoungus tongue. Hopefully with that fists ...
if you have OTC ||sanctuary|| will do the trick btw
wintry adder
Well not to worry! I crashed
limpid kettle
rip
wintry adder
Anytime i get to about 40 mins and have bunch of stuff i sometimes crash. This prolly my 3rd or 4th attempting this particular run
Would be great if I could do these 4 or so unlocks at the same time but I'm starting to think I need to go in and achieve one and quit out
wintry adder
if you have OTC ||sanctuary|| will do the trick btw
I will give this a try
Was thinking bout trying the one or two OTC things that give stat boosts, but I can never remember which ones they are
I want to say one of the wolf things and one of the Alucard ones that drain the health
wintry adder
if you have OTC ||sanctuary|| will do the trick btw
Do I need to get the base and evolve it? I remember some of those book's evolutions weren't as good if you got the evo from candybox
limpid kettle
Do I need to get the base and evolve it? I remember some of those book's evoluti...
the thing you need is just part of the evo
so it still works by getting it from 
wintry adder
Is there a familiar that does real good dmg from OTC as well?
limpid kettle
Is there a familiar that does real good dmg from OTC as well?
pumpkin is the best i believe
wintry adder
Well sanctuary worked
I grabbed the weapon, pretty sure I said yes to picking it up but I don't have it so gotta restart lol
wintry adder
Was going to try and make some gold, so I tried ||Librarian||. I meant to do another stage but forgot to change it, dunno what was going on but seems like all stage items disappeared, but he also was killing bosses in one hit or something. Wonder if that works in inverted too
lunar galleon
That’s ||the librarian’s hidden weapon, power of lire.||
||it converts… basically everything into gold. Even chests. If it doesn’t instakill an enemy, it does a LOT of damage||
wintry adder
Chest I guess I can deal but stage items that's bad. I wasn't able to evo some things cause the items were just gone
Including the cursed Atlantean items
Normally I try to get 6 passives not found in stage before I start grabbing stage weapons/passives, if I'm able to
mighty quarry
anyone know how to get to the last boss on the bottom of the junction?
i cheated and used gen-ni-vie but i whats the og way
mighty quarry
got it
shut lotus
Chest I guess I can deal but stage items that's bad. I wasn't able to evo some t...
Main reason why ||Librarian|| doesn't make it into top 3 Gold Miners.
Anyone who never played RS:EB before, took one look at Tin Can in the trailer, and never assumed this is a Female Bot before?
lunar galleon
Chest I guess I can deal but stage items that's bad. I wasn't able to evo some t...
also btw, ||power of lire|| doesn't touch stage items. it sounds like you're just levelling too much
this is also the wrong chat for OTC talk but
wintry adder
also btw, ||power of lire|| doesn't touch stage items. it sounds like you're jus...
I was in the emerald map, basically trying to figure out if this was a bug of the stage with him, kinda like how it was specifically a bug in OTC he would pull all the stage items to the upper left corner at first right at the start
Leveling makes stage items disappear?
lunar galleon
somewhat. stage items and chests are placed at the end of your level queue when you pick them up
wintry adder
I did take some screen shots, but on switch still. The stage items were gone and I had none of them on me
I've only seen stage items disappear if you had gotten them in level up options and maxed them out
lunar galleon
they don't really DISAPPEAR if you're actively levelling, it can just take a VERY long time for them to register
wintry adder
Is there a gold mining guide in wiki?
lunar galleon
#🔨builds message
wintry adder
@lunar galleon quick question what does "show stage progression" mean again in the main menu settings?
lunar galleon
The checkmarks on character select that list the stages
The option enables/disables them
wintry adder
Ahh ok thanks
wintry adder
https://discord.com/channels/904353235006017556/968835081147908116/1291980102581...
That gold build pic has eggs unchecked, but then has two builds for low eggs and lots of eggs, just wanna make sure I do indeed uncheck eggs?
lunar galleon
The low eggs is for 0 eggs to 1-10 million eggs
wintry adder
I get that. The pic has the egg checkbox unchecked tho
manic glacier
magic zinc
Over here like why can't I buy the emerald disk. Didn't add dlc to my library lmao
marsh briar
Saw a new update drop, did they fix entry 301?
languid bluff
no sadly
marsh briar
Oh ok
magic zinc
So far my way to beat inverse is to grab a weapon that gives hp back (soulstealer works great) and just go back and forth with my hp to abuse showstopper
magic zinc
Seems like only soulstealer and arcana for double healing + low max hp makes this work
lunar galleon
Crystal cries alone makes most of the emerald diorama characters a joke
neon summit
does anyone know if/how Amount affects Super Missile?
magic zinc
I mean any item that boosts stats usually does that tbh
If you need to brute force anything, just use evolved lifeforce scanner.
Also seems like the spicy food is affected by showestopper since it deleted the bosses that drop eggs
lunar galleon
Also seems like the spicy food is affected by showestopper since it deleted the ...
Yes, 
is affected by might and cooldown
magic zinc
Interesting
lunar galleon
does anyone know if/how Amount affects Super Missile?
Amount adds to the missles spawned from the glimmer/tech, not the normal weapon
lunar galleon
Interesting
It’s affected by every stat, btw. I just mention might and cooldown since showstopper gives those stats
neon summit
Amount adds to the missles spawned from the glimmer/tech, not the normal weapon
ok, thanks
vestal quartz
How does showstopper scaling work? Does it have infinite potential if you can get it to trigger multiple times?
lunar galleon
only one can be up at a time
severe jungle
How does showstopper scaling work? Does it have infinite potential if you can ge...
It doesn’t scale.
vestal quartz
So the stat bonus is a one time thing?
lunar galleon
not "one time thing" more like "it doesnt scale and you can't stack them"
severe jungle
So the stat bonus is a one time thing?
Stat bonus is only when it’s active
lunar galleon
when you get back to full hp, you can go back into showstopper when you reach low hp
severe jungle
Certain characters like Kina(the grasshopper) get bonus stats which are permanent when they activate showstopper
Kina gets bonus recovery and Imakoo is supposed to get bonus might but is bugged and gets recovery like Kina
vestal quartz
They seem to be more of the upper mid tier characters from what I gather. Strong base ability and decently useful boosts, but lacks the infinite scaling abilities of the top tiers.
lunar galleon
yeah. the can get nice raw stat bonuses on their own (like the cats and kina/imakoo), but they don't actually do anything THAT crazy
severe jungle
The good characters are Macha alter ego, Mr. S, the cats and probably Imakoo once the bug is patched
Rest of them are okay except for door spirit who’s pretty bad
lunar galleon
ye
vestal quartz
Yeah, the glimmer mechanic is something that is best combined with the Darkana
lunar galleon
showstopper essentially guarantees a win if you build into healing (crystal cries mainly, but stuff like 
helps when you aren't actually killing)
severe jungle
Yeah, the glimmer mechanic is something that is best combined with the Darkana
Do you have glimmer and showstopper mixed up
Showstopper is the one that happens at low HP
vestal quartz
The new darkana is probably the strongest boost from the DLC because it allows for infinite stat scaling
severe jungle
Glimmer is the new attacks
vestal quartz
Yeah, was thinking about showstopper
lunar galleon
The new darkana is probably the strongest boost from the DLC because it allows f...
hidden anathema? it's not from the dlc
vestal quartz
Glimmer seems to be a decent supplement and goes back to how you play the game starting out which is to try to survive.
lunar galleon
it's part of the base game
vestal quartz
Was it rolled in together with the DLC in the same update? IIRC that the game was designed to make the unlocks non DLC in the event that things such as licensing expired.
lunar galleon
yes, 1.13 (the coop) released with the dlc
and dlc unlocks ARE still tied to dlc ownership. it's just platform achievements they don't want
vestal quartz
Makes sense. I might at some point try out the stages with non emerald characters to see how they compare
severe jungle
Emerald is a pretty difficult stage
vestal quartz
I did like the ability to increase the game speed a lot. Makes the grinding a bit easier to bear with since the characters are all a bit too similar with how the initial start up all revolves around showstopper and having the right arcana/darkana combo.
Yeah, I might try it with some of the stronger characters instead of just anyone. I haven't bought the other DLC (got the base game with the free Epic promo)
sweet lantern
Rest of them are okay except for door spirit who’s pretty bad
it's weird: based on just pure vibes you'd think door would be the intentionally powerful one
like you'd think the only character in a dlc built around showstopper that doesn't get it would be the only one who doesn't need it
especially when they're like an intimdating boss-looking character that starts w/ an evolved weapon
severe jungle
it's weird: based on just pure vibes you'd think door would be the intentionally...
Yeah, it is weird. Door seems like the Je-Ne-Viv or ||Dracula|| of the ED characters
Also I’m pretty sure door has the highest starting curse stat out of any character
limpid kettle
Also I’m pretty sure door has the highest starting curse stat out of any charact...
what amount do they gain per level?
severe jungle
~~what amount do they gain per level?~~
Starting not scaling
Door starts with +100% curse
limpid kettle
yeah i see that now
severe jungle
Checked the wiki and it’s the highest. The second highest starting curse is +50%
The high curse and the reduced move speed are not a good combo
And the reduced luck so less healing pickups
magic zinc
I try to steer away from some weapons or infinite stat scaling, usually. Emerald for some characters feels like it's necessary tbh
As for arcana, with darkana unlocked I sometimes forget the regular ones lol. I love getting extra passives/weapons and more loot chests too much.
swift crane
Can anyone tell me who the skeleton guy is on the cover art for emerald diorama? And can we play him?
severe jungle
Mortaccio
wintry adder
I was playing emerald and had mad groove, and sanctuary and stuff. I went and collected the grey ring and the two red arrows since I was finally ready to destroy them.
Naturally has a lot of stuff going on screen and I believe I killed the Altaneans
But didn't catch if I collected the gold eggs
But a moment later what looked like 3-4 golden eggs started orbiting me
I'm not sure how many exactly as they were moving soo fast
severe jungle
Each Atlantean drops 1 egg upon death
wintry adder
But for the rest of the run I had these eggs spinning around me. Anyone had this happen before?
tawny charm
Guys why I don’t have the relic in the world pls?
severe jungle
But for the rest of the run I had these eggs spinning around me. Anyone had this...
That’s weird, I’ve never heard of eggs orbiting around the player before
wintry adder
Guys why I don’t have the relic in the world pls?
Have you restarted since downloading dlc?
wintry adder
That’s weird, I’ve never heard of eggs orbiting around the player before
I took some screen shots I think, lemme look
tawny charm
Have you restarted since downloading dlc?
Yes don’t work
wintry adder
That’s weird, I’ve never heard of eggs orbiting around the player before
Oh I have a video of it, not sure if I could fit it on discord tho lol. I'll try in a moment
This was a couple days ago. When I'd move around they would orbit outside the range of Time Warp at points. I never seemed to collect them all the way up to when I ended the run
severe jungle
That’s weird
wintry adder
I took like three other videos of them orbiting. As fast as they were moving at times it seemed like there was more than three of them
severe jungle
I think I see what’s going on. Your partner character is trying to pick them up and can’t do so
severe jungle
I took like three other videos of them orbiting. As fast as they were moving at ...
Were they all on partner characters
wintry adder
I think I see what’s going on. Your partner character is trying to pick them up ...
That's what's happening!
Should I bug report it?
They got pulled right to Bonnie and she wasn't picking them up even if I didn't move
severe jungle
Probably should report it, partner characters are super buggy
wintry adder
I'm assuming sanctuary killed them which is on the other char I can't remembers her name
severe jungle
I'm assuming sanctuary killed them which is on the other char I can't remembers ...
Eggs are pickups so whichever character is closer gets them I think.Doesn’t matter who kills them
severe jungle
Probably should report it, partner characters are super buggy
It’s not really a bug though, more just partner characters and pickups need to probably have some adjustments on how they interact
wintry adder
Reported
lunar galleon
Guys why I don’t have the relic in the world pls?
If you’re on ios, it’s a known issue
lunar galleon
It’s not really a bug though, more just partner characters and pickups need to p...
It is a bug (and has been reported in the past, too)
tawny charm
So dlc don’t work on iOS?
lunar galleon
Emerald diorama specifically and if you tried to download it recently, but yeah
wintry adder
Oh wow, I haven't played on my iPhone in a while. Thought I remember there being less background than in those pictures
undone narwhal
Can we unlock free DLC code?
languid bluff
if you mean spells: [[spells]]
bold elmBOT
languid bluff
see this page for the spells
undone narwhal
languid bluff
magic zinc
It's fun to unlock secret characters without spells for me. Even if I have to look up the spoiler lol
lunar galleon
marsh briar
"The greatest mechanical songstress" is Diva No. 5 with specifically the Virginia skin
shut lotus
Here's a fun fact:
Do you know Siugnas|| is immune to Dominos Health Drain from OTC DLC?||
||That is because he is a vampire. And thus share the universal properties of Immune Health Drain along with the ones in Castlevania||
hexed magnet
Oh he does have that? Kind of assumed he didn't because it wasn't listed with his other effects.
wintry adder
I thot I remember seeing somewhere in game one of the emerald characters saying they were immune to drain. Can't remember which tho
edgy mica
**__Emerald Diorama Map with Bosses and Drops__**
**__Note:__** When playing in ...
Nice
manic turret
Here's a fun fact:
Do you know Siugnas|| is immune to Dominos Health Drain from ...
||HOLY SHIT VAMPIRES||
shut lotus
Why does it feel like the Bosses HP are severely unbalanced?
You can kill the left side and bottom in an instant, but top and right side seems forever.
lunar galleon
They are imbalanced. The miyako city boss (divine wood spirit) has 180xlevel base hp, while living anguish (the boss in providence) has 2550xlevel base hp
It’s meant to be a sort of progression, since living anguish is the “final boss”
slender turtle
Anyone know how to get the gold ring in the Emerald City map? I’ve tried every portal and going to the floating island where the secret boss is? I can get the silver one just fine.
lunar galleon
it's in providence (area with the living anguish boss), but i think earlier versions MAY have issues with getting it
slender turtle
I’m playing on switch currently I just keep running towards the icon but it never gets closer no matter where I’m at?
lunar galleon
then yeah, you're on an earlier version
just have to wait for the patch (which should be in submission)
slender turtle
That sucks since I just bought the Switch version because the bug in the PS version made that version unplayable. Trying to beat all the bosses in inverted and it’s taking forever. I wailed on one boss 45 min and I’m only level 120!
wintry adder
Yeah switch can't access it, tho it shows it on map. Mad groove won't even pull it
I was trying to get things done without using endless. I planed to upgrade those two items that required the atlantean passive items but with the gold ring unobtainable I wasn't able to get that one
wintry adder
That sucks since I just bought the Switch version because the bug in the PS vers...
I had the same issue with the bosses taking forever to die. Do you have Castlevania dlc? The sanctuary spell book does wonders
It almost feels like cheating tho
slender turtle
I just started a fresh game since I just bought the switch version due to the PS version being unplayable? (Looks like a patch came through today I will try it later.) I did buy the Castlevania DLC but I’m playing everything in order. I did end up unlocking the secret without the gold ring but it took several hours. After I powered up enough so that I couldn’t die I went around each boss to aggro it. They chase you everywhere even through the warps. Once I had them all in one spot I just left the game run and came back half a day later after they were all dead. I didn’t have the patience to wait lol. They might not have been able to kill me but it still took forever to kill them considering how high my level was and they scale.
I will definitely try the sanctuary spell though I was actually 75% through the Castlevania DLC before I downloaded the emerald dlc and ended up losing everything due to the bug. I do say surprisingly besides the gold ring issue I have had far less issues then the PS version. I actually only had 2 crashes so far. Even before the bug I had the PS version crash multiple times. (Wasn’t counting but know it was in the double digits.)
wintry adder
My switch version maybe crashed 3 times total since Emerald came out. Each time was within the 30-60 minute mark and I had soooo many weapons
Just sooo many
I started to not do endless for a while, until I got to the unlocks that required inverse
Cause until I learned about sanctuary most all bosses took an eternity
I dunno what it is that does it but before I learned about sanctuary the new green weapon from the coop would occasionally kill bosses fast when I wasn't playing inverse. Think maybe a combo of things
There's something that raises its dmg temporary maybe like invincibility or something
lunar galleon
it does more damage while you're invincible
steep sail
I’m playing on mobile and it’s says I own the dlc but I can’t find the new shop can someone help me please
lyric olive
I’m playing on mobile and it’s says I own the dlc but I can’t find the new shop ...
which mobile are you playing on?
if it's an iPhone, there's a known issue for players that can't get the emerald diorama content even though it says it is installed
our devs are working on a fix for this currently
distant fable
is it just me being rusty or is Inverse Emerald Diorama surprisingly difficult
limpid kettle
is it just me being rusty or is Inverse Emerald Diorama surprisingly difficult
it is difficult
distant fable
Yeah thats what I figured cause dear lord the enemies start to get tanky
it doesnt help that the starting weapons... arent the best
limpid kettle
yeah
distant fable
Like honestly if I was allowed to for unlocks I'd just grab ||Megalo Dracula|| and just blitz through it all lol
OtC
wintry adder
I'm regularly torn on doing something the hard way, or doing the easy way. Usually the easy way kinda feels like cheating though it really isn't. I guess that's why I usually try to do things several times the normal way before I do.
I think when it comes to vampire survivors there rarely feels like a middle ground. With exception of near when I first started, after getting over some initial hurdles, there was a period where it felt just right. But ever since it just feels either way too easy or way too hard. Do you pick the same game destroying weapons everytime or do you try to do some variety.
Like I know I tried those inverse emerald unlocks like 10-20 times before I tried using sanctuary which I was told makes things easier
steep sail
which mobile are you playing on?
if it's an iPhone, there's a known issue for pl...
Thanks a lot
winged vortex
I like the visuals of this DLC I hope the make more sparkly features and textures in the future updates or DLC's
south brook
Is there a cheat code list for the secret characters?
lunar galleon
They’re on the wiki pages of the characters, but the last 4 spells in #💀survivors-spoilers message are for the secrets
steady fern
Shall we get a FLAC release for the Emerald Diorama soundtrack collection?
spice arrow
Shall we get a FLAC release for the Emerald Diorama soundtrack collection?
Just unlocked Ole Cowgirl Cop, and her theme had me pause the game just to turn the volume up.
I haven’t done that in a long time in a game.
stray pumice
I’m playing on mobile and it’s says I own the dlc but I can’t find the new shop ...
Same issue here
lunar galleon
known issue, like kerri said
tender flame
is it just me, or most weapon is just plain weak? I mean, the technique is cool and all, but I can barely kill a single mob without getting hit at least once or twice.
to be fair, I am doing a 1 weapon's hyper inverse run, so maybe it has something to do with that, but i'm sure that's not the case 60% of the time
also hi, i'm new :>
lunar galleon
is it just me, or most weapon is just plain weak? I mean, the technique is cool ...
they do tend to be on the weaker side, yeah
there are some good weapons, but most are pretty bad - meh once you evo them
tender flame
i like the town sword though, because i like how the projectile instantly move to wherever you're looking at, despite it looking a little goofy at times
also, I can't for the life of me to do 1 weapon's fleuret. the hitbox is really janky
tender flame
the khukri though... nigh-infinite invulnerability might be quite OP haha
tender flame
it's actually ridiculous, it's like the murasama and laurel in one weapon
tender flame
I think that using Eagle gun in 1 weapon's run should be considered an actual torture method for the FBI and CIA
limpid kettle
I think that using Eagle gun in 1 weapon's run should be considered an actual to...
there's worse
limpid kettle
what do you mean worse
a few of the other emerald weapons arent great either
tender flame
what, you mean like the fleuret? or maybe splashers? those two are really, REALLY, bad
(at least on mobile)
limpid kettle
what, you mean like the fleuret? or maybe splashers? those two are really, REALL...
sanguine star isnt great either
tender flame
yeah that too, but at least it actually does some 'good' bit of AoE
spice arrow
Splashers has definitely brought me the most pain and anguish
quaint hill
Question
The merchant who sells emerald discs does not appear on the map on iOS.
All others are released
lunar galleon
Known issue
queen phoenix
Question
The merchant who sells emerald discs does not appear on the map on iOS...
you can use the spell "washingmachine" to get it without the merchant
lunar galleon
you can use the spell "washingmachine" to get it without the merchant
emerald diorama is just bugged on ios
it doesnt work at all for some people
queen phoenix
oh
tender flame
how come this DLC has like mostly poopy character, yet there's one character who might possibly be the most broken in the game (Ameya)
lunar galleon
ameya isn't the most broken at all
honestly, mr s, macha, or the cats are the best
but even then they're not the best at all
tender flame
who do you think could possibly be the most broken? (I haven't done Castlevania and Guns DLC)
lunar galleon
||chaos|| from otc. sigma is second
tender flame
oh yeah, almost forgot about Sigma. idk about Chaos though and I kinda don't want to spoil myself right now.
tender flame
was taking a break from OTC to play ED again, but god, i actually forgot how incredibly subpar this DLC is. I won't say it's bad, by any way, but it's just so... idk how to put it, but felt a little unpolished
I mean, i understand it's free and all, but that really doesn't excuse the drop in quality
I like the character design, especially ||Final Emperor|| and ||Siugnas ||because they look like Part 4 Jotaro lol
lunar galleon
I think it feels fine quality wise
tender flame
art wise? it's not just fine, it's amazing. but gameplay (i.e, characters, weapons, etc) is just meh imo
vapid grove
Compared to OTC? Of course nothing's gonna compete.
That was a dream collaboration and both poncle and Konami pulled all the stops for it to work.
queen phoenix
well yeah 20+ characters is a lot more than 16
tender flame
Compared to OTC? Of course nothing's gonna compete.
well yeah, that's obvious. I don't exactly rate the dlc with each other, but I do rate it based on their first ever dlc, LoMS.
honestly, I enjoyed LoMS a lot more than ED lmao. but this is just my opinion tho
loud vine
i am struggling with the inverse boss kills, i can't imagine how i'm gonna pull off defeating all the inverted diorama bosses in a single run for diva's skin... is there a good build to go with to minimize the suffering? assuming i survive long enough to build it...
loud vine
There is a thing called Endless Mode
even with infinite time, inverse makes enemies grow infinitely stronger as time passes, so i'm not sure that'd help so much as make things worse
shut lotus
I thought by endless it just loops back
But by then you should have a pretty invinsible build
but... if you want to rush things, you can jump into each door, summon the boss there, run out , rinse and repeat until you get 7 bosses at once
loud vine
alright, turns out the time limit was really the biggest challenge, so endless mode helped, but the bosses still took forever to kill... and i kept losing the final boss in the crowds cause he is so tiny and easily pushed back, so i wasn't sure when to quit the battle, had to keep looking at the map to look for the item he drops, now i just need to glimmer 11 techs with diva and figure out these last two secret unlocks
cosmic hemlock
chat i initially used a spell to unlock Mr. S but the unlock for it in the menu has not gone away, even after doing the unlock two times it's still there am i just cooked
cosmic hemlock
chat i initially used a spell to unlock Mr. S but the unlock for it in the menu ...
ok somehow it counted in the run i did to unlock imakoo
limpid kettle
yeah i believe you just have to enter a run and it properly unlocks it
cosmic hemlock
i did do runs, two of them did kill living anguish but it only counted on the run where i was going for imakoo
leaden ember
How can I pick up and evolve splashes?
languid bluff
change skins for tsunanori
spice arrow
The Splashes are the worst weapon in the game. That was a rough one trying to max out.
At least if you play on the Emerald Diorama stage.
severe jungle
The Splashes are the worst weapon in the game. That was a rough one trying to ma...
Hard disagree
Confodore and eagle gun exist
spice arrow
Haven't unlocked/played Shanoa yet, but I'll circle back whenever I do
Eagle Gun was cool for me though
severe jungle
Eagle Gun looks cool but it’s really bad
It’s Tech is alright but the base attack is super awful
I’m not including the weapons evos when talking about the weapon being the worst
Splashers is defiantly really bad but it’s not super awful, it’s evo is actually pretty decent as well
glossy ocean
For the Unlocks with "Diva #5" do you need to use the standard Retro-Pod skin or can it be any of them?
Trying to figure out which is best for the All-Boss Inverse run.
lunar galleon
if it doesnt specify a specific skin (virginia), use the retro pod
lunar galleon
just delete your messages and ask there
steep wave
hi, do you guys know how to get to the boss?
lunar galleon
you have to clip out of bounds or use a flying character
there are a few ways to do it but some of diva's forms can fly
celest flax
how do Glimmers work
lunar galleon
At first, each attack has a luck-based chance to glimmer/learn it, then they just happen as part of a rotation with a weapon’s other attacks
celest flax
can you try to explain it in a more simple way i think I am about to pass out and I just can't wrap my head around that
limpid kettle
can you try to explain it in a more simple way i think I am about to pass out an...
glimmers randomly happen then its every few times the weapon attacks
celest flax
okay
queen phoenix
can you try to explain it in a more simple way i think I am about to pass out an...
every time the weapon happens it can unlock a new attack for the rest of the run
haughty siren
what sort of build should i be running im trying to do the siugnus yomi unlock but emerald diorama in general seems to be so much harder i usually go for a blood astronomia based build and ive tried divine bloodline and still cant make any decent progress
lunar galleon
Crystal cries makes pretty much any emerald diorama character good
queen phoenix
except malevolent door spirit
lunar galleon
Ye
haughty siren
Crystal cries makes pretty much any emerald diorama character good
i must be doing something terribly wrong if i still cant do it with crystal cries
lunar galleon
what else are you using?
Out of bounds 
can actually help a lot with crystal cries, too
haughty siren
i never got up to getting a 2nd arcana lol
tried with some emerald diorama weapons and i tried with a blood astronomia based build but didnt get far enough to get it lol
feel like i might be over relying on crystal cries
lunar galleon
i never got up to getting a 2nd arcana lol
I’d recommend playing in inverse mode if you have it unlocked
So you can purchase a second arcana immediately
haughty siren
So you can purchase a second arcana immediately
i forgot you could do that
lunar galleon
Yeah that would help a lot xD
celest flax
how do you unlock Diva No.5's different skins? or is there a visual glitch going on on my end, that's happened before with skins
lunar galleon
virginia: fully evolve super missile
for the other skins. you have to defeat every boss in emerald diorama / inverse emerald diorama and glimmer 7 / 11 (as virginia) techs, which is pretty much getting that many ED weapons/evolutions (1 per base / evo)
i would advise doing the first 2 as retropod
and ofc you have to do the 11 techs as virginia
celest flax
okie dokie
wait do you mean you have to beat every boss in both ED and Inverse ED or just one of the two
lunar galleon
just one
celest flax
okie
celest flax
ah
celest flax
how do you get the second coffin in ED?
lunar galleon
you just have to progress by killing the boss at the end of each section
eventually you'll reach providence (the last world)
and the coffin is in there
celest flax
ah
celest flax
i hate this thing
celest flax
where is the boss
I have triggered the boss and there is too much going on for me to figure out where it is
lunar galleon
here
lunar galleon
it drops emerald rapture
celest flax
does that unlock anything
lunar galleon
it's a weapon. it unlocks itself
celest flax
the wiki doesn't state that, I'll check later if it's in the beastiary
it's certainly looking that way
lunar galleon
There’s the one for normal waves and the boss one
All of the ED bosses have hp scaling
celest flax
yeah it seems that way I've definitely dealt more than 450 damage
celest flax
13 achievements it's beautiful
haughty siren
just attempted 3 of these and im pretty sure i did them right but they dont seem to be unlocking
lunar galleon
well what are you doing for them?
haughty siren
for the cat one i used ameya collected some cats and picked up gatti amari
lunar galleon
partially right. you have to have collected 30 cats on ameya across any number of runs
then pick gatti
haughty siren
ive definitely got more than 30 tho
lunar galleon
quick question: are you on the beta?
haughty siren
yeah
haughty siren
fair enough
as ive done the stuff on the beta if i opt out or whatever that shouldnt wipe any progress right
lunar galleon
itll wipe beta-specific progress
haughty siren
damn
lunar galleon
stuff that's on both versions stays ofc
haughty siren
any tips for the last ruler secret
lunar galleon
it's very misleading
you actually just need to have a certain arcana as final emperor when you kill the boss
it's || ||
celest flax
how do the Spirit Rings work? does its bonus techs trigger when area, speed, duration, and growth are at a collective of 155% or when any of the stats are at 155%
lunar galleon
it gets a new tech whenever a stat reaches +55%
the tech is gets depends on the stat
celest flax
ok
tacit widget
lunar galleon
Cats or mr s
high acorn
Can someone help me with this map, i cant enable eggs and I’ve done as many unlocks as I can but they still won’t be enabled. Trying to evolve glaive but I keep dying. How do I enable eggs
sweet lantern
Can someone help me with this map, i cant enable eggs and I’ve done as many unlo...
iirc, the only way to enable eggs in ed is to beat the secret boss in the hub. Though, eggs are not mandatory for anything, so I'd suggest looking over your build to find any weak links in your weapons, or unlocking 
if you haven't already
high acorn
thanks I actually cheesed with that darkana and diva 5 lol
native crypt
so...I've got a bug (or at least I can only assume its a bug).
So basically my collection for emerald diorama looks like this. The 2 after Emerald Rapture are blank/missing...
and I looked up on the wiki and it says that the second to last one is the light bulb
Intuition which requires fully evolving and completing Sanguine Star and Blood Chalice
the only problem is...I literally JUST did that a minute ago, on Virginia
and I also have Mr. S unlocked too, who has Intuition as their starter
so im confused as to why the game thinks I haven't done it 
unique trench
i lost all my dlc
progress + i cant play emerald diorama
2 days ago i’ve finished all emerald diorama tasks and now i have nothing
vivid stirrup
hi guys, i’m not able to play any of the free dlcs, anyone knows how to help me? (yesterday i was able to play emerald diorama but today i can’t)
vivid stirrup
and also i’m from mobile
lunar galleon
Known issues
vivid stirrup
so?
twilit palm
hey, for some reason I can't unlock the secret characters. I just unlocked all the ones where you have to kill the boss in inverse mode. But, then I tried to un,ock the cats and the werewolf and they both didn't unlock eventhough I met the rewuierments for both
anyone here any idea why that is?
lunar galleon
just a bug
bold compass
what is some good starter weapons/passives to go with for Siugnas on Inverse Emerald Diorama? I'm trying to defeat the Specter of Iwanaga-hime and I have every power-up maxed out except for Preserve
stray pumice
hi guys, i’m not able to play any of the free dlcs, anyone knows how to help me?...
Same
potent quest
static badger
Someone on Switch has unlocked the Bestiary 316? Each update is removed, available again and removed the next update. On Steam and Epic is available.
lunar galleon
It’s calamity from emerald diorama. Probably still bugged
static badger
Yeah, that one. I used the steam save to use it on Switch but in that version is bugged
tawny fable
Are the Diorama secrets still bugged in the current patch on Steam?
lunar galleon
yes
scenic horizon
inverse emerald diorama is kicking my butt, trying to do the formina/bonnie unlock. any tips?
i just get swarmed by enemies. i see that kick/punch are good weapons but starting out they barely dent hordes in my experience
lunar galleon
crystal cries and focus on showstopper
scenic horizon
i wish i read this before i beat it LMAO
noted for next unlock tho
vital star
how do u even get Diva?
lunar galleon
fully evolve and level the eagle gun
vital star
okay
tawny fable
"Crystal Cries and Showstopper" is pretty much the advice for all the Emerald Diorama characters.
Though you can break them even harder than that if you try, for sure.
lunar galleon
all of the secrets are bugged rn, yes
polar olive
thanks
scenic horizon
where do you find emerald wave?
lunar galleon
The boss out of bounds in the junction drops it
scenic horizon
you have to go oob in the junction?
lunar galleon
Yep
queen phoenix
not the arcana
meager igloo
Hello, anyone knows how to unlock eggs on Emerald Diorama ?
meager igloo
beat living anguish in providence
The boss at the bottom of the hub ?
lunar galleon
not in the hub, but the south world (without inverse, north with)
meager igloo
not in the hub, but the south world (without inverse, north with)
any character you recommend to use ?
lunar galleon
entirely up to you. dont really need anything special
meager igloo
entirely up to you. dont really need anything special
Well I'm getting submerged by ennemies in the few minutes of the map so idk which one to use
I tried many
lunar galleon
sounds like a build issue.
someone like sigma would be great, of course. but even the emerald diorama characters work great so long as you build into healing (like with crystal cries).
disabling inverse can also make it easier
bold wind
What is the best build for Virginia diva? Trying to get the secret with song of mana (and hopefully the all 6 inverse bosses skin)
marsh briar
With those like "kill boss with specific weapon" goals, my thoughts go to either only using that weapon and doing SoS or having your other weapons be ones you aim like Thousand Edge (so that you can wear them down as quick as you can and aim away once you think they're low)
And of course Crystal Cries with showstopper characters is just amazing at keeping survivability
And for inverse stuff, likely you wanna get there quick
Else it'll take hecking forever 
bold wind
Is there a particular diva skin that works best for the 6 boss challenge?
lunar galleon
Not really, they tend to be pretty equal. Virginia is slightly better than the rest
tidal kettle
I just tried out Siugnas and this is funnn tho I'm confused about his followers
From what I saw, he gets a follower for each 100 HP (max 4) but I already had 3 followers before getting the hollow heart, any clues as to why?
mellow sphinx
i'm new to trying emerald diorama and i'm still very stumped with some of the characters here (especially the cat lady)
so far 1/4 secrets and barely half the roster unlocked 🤔
boreal veldt
From what I saw, he gets a follower for each 100 HP (max 4) but I already had 3 ...
There is an arcana that increases hp. Maybe that?
tidal kettle
There is an arcana that increases hp. Maybe that?
Iirc I only had silent old sanctuary
Maybe beginning too
mellow sphinx
mellow sphinx
how does the sanguine star and its evolution even work???
fading flower
Sanguine Star is a weapon that attacks random enemies on the screen. Blood Chalice works the same way. The glimmer techs from the weapons are also similar, creating aoe blasts. They're affected by 
, which gives extra curse-scaling explosions to the attacks. Blood Chalice's Scarlet Harbinger tech scales with greed.
These weapons are terrible, btw. Worst ones in the dlc by far
mellow sphinx
Sanguine Star is a weapon that attacks random enemies on the screen. Blood Chali...
gulp
i'm trying to make a good lasting build on them only for unlocks
fading flower
i'm trying to make a good lasting build on them only for unlocks
Evolving Sanguine Star unlocks Intuition, the "candybox" for Emerald Diorama weapons. This should be the only reason you use this weapon at all
fading flower
Khukuri, Twin Dragon, Bullova, Flamberge, Spirit Rings, Saber Machine Gun and Emerald Rapture are the stronger ED weapons IMO
Fleuret, Splashers, Punch, Kick, Glaive and Town sword are decent and can work well
Sanguine Star, Eagle Gun and Super Missile are the worst ones
mellow sphinx
Sanguine Star, Eagle Gun and Super Missile are the worst ones
super missiles is bad?
mellow sphinx
Khukuri, Twin Dragon, Bullova, Flamberge, Spirit Rings, Saber Machine Gun and Em...
i struggle to make good use of spirit rings
fading flower
super missiles is bad?
Think about it, a weapon that's supposed to explode for aoe dmg gets penetration so it just flies offscreen? That's a terrible combination. Also its glimmer techs aren't that impactful
fading flower
i struggle to make good use of spirit rings
Spirit Rings is a pretty unique weapon. It can have up to 6 different attacks when evolved and you increase your stats enough. Spirit Rings' attacks come in the form of techs that are unlocked when certain stats reach a certain threshold. Its default attack summons light beams on random enemies, but by increasing duration, speed, area, and growth beyond +55% enables more attacks for it respectively. In short, you're encouraged to increase these stats 
to enable all of Spirit Rings' attacks and make the most of the weapon.
Its evolution, Rings of Calamity, requires 5 max lvl passives to evolve. It unlocks a new screenwiping tech that's quite powerful. I believe Sapphire Mist helps these weapons trigger its different techs at a faster rate.
When all's said and done, you got a weapon that has a whopping 6 different attacks
mellow sphinx
Think about it, a weapon that's supposed to explode for aoe dmg gets penetration...
it pairs with heart of fire though
fading flower
it pairs with heart of fire though
Sure. And so does Saber Machine Gun, which performs better and has superior glimmer techs
mellow sphinx
Sure. And so does Saber Machine Gun, which performs better and has superior glim...
SMG and its 2 evos are busted with hof arcana
👀
fading flower
Anybody play ED characters regularly?
lunar galleon
i use the cats somewhat often
fading flower
For once, the cats are a secret character I managed to unlock by figuring out what I had to do from the tooltip
frank jacinth
Anybody play ED characters regularly?
Ameya and Lolo+Co are mains of mine, partcially due to liking cats and partcially due to both of their mechanics resonating with me. I also like playing Diva's Virginia form occasionally, though her lack of optimal weapon variety prevents me from playing her too often.
fading flower
I enjoy playing Final Emperor. Mr. S is NOT better than him btw Just wish he could start with Intuition so there was more freedom on what to build for him
And I also hope all ED characters get attack animations eventually
spice arrow
I need to get back to completing this DLC. Been spending a lot of time on OTC
That said, Bonnie Blair is a main of mine.
fading flower
That said, Bonnie Blair is a main of mine.
Do you play her with what weapon? Punch or Kick?
mellow sphinx
And I also hope all ED characters get attack animations eventually
even more attack animations would immediately put ED into a 2$ DLC bro
frank jacinth
even more attack animations would immediately put ED into a 2$ DLC bro
not if it would require more paperwork lol
fading flower
The number of ED characters with attack animations is equal to OtC's
If i'm not mistaken
spice arrow
Do you play her with what weapon? Punch or Kick?
Kick preferrably. The punch ain't bad, but evolving that Kick does massive damage.
I like playing her and Formina together too. Fun times.
frank jacinth
The number of ED characters with attack animations is equal to OtC's
Did a count rq, and while it is close, I think Ode takes it; not counting ||Team-Ups||, I counted that Ode has 6 (Richter, Jonathan, Charlotte, Soma, Alucard, and Shanoa), whereas ED has 5 (Tsunanori, Bonnie, Formina, Virginia Diva, and Siugnas).
fading flower
Right, forgot about Jonathan
frank jacinth
Right, forgot about Jonathan
tbf they were unused for a while lol
fading flower
A bit of a tier list for ED weapons:
||Strong: Bullova, Twin Dragon, Spirit Rings, Khukuri, Saber Machine Gun, Flamberge, Emerald Rapture
Moderate: Punch, Fleuret, Kick, Glaive , Town Sword, Splashers
Weak: Sanguine Star, Eagle Gun, Super Missile||
Do you guys agree?
frank jacinth
A bit of a tier list for ED weapons:
||Strong: Bullova, Twin Dragon, Spirit Rin...
Few thoughts, keep in mind this is just my opinion:
-
I think Khukuri deserves its own tier lol, once you evolve it you are literally invincible.
-
I think Twin Dragon, Machine Gun, and Flamberge can probably be dropped down a tier; they're okay, though I wouldn't consider them strong.
-
Similarly, Splashers' range is really hard to hit enemies in, I would drop it down to weak personally.
Other than those, solid list overall!
fading flower
Few thoughts, keep in mind this is just my opinion:
- I think Khukuri deserves ...
Just my thought process on ranking these weapons
You're 100% right about Khukuri.
I think Twin Dragon is pretty solid if you don't mind directional weapons like it. With amount and lots of area, it can do a lot of work on a 
build. I once dealt over 800M dmg with it.
Machine Gun has strong glimmer techs that can cover the screen and it becomes more potent with 
along with Sapphire Mist shortening the glimmer tech rate.
I might be biased on my Flamberge position, It does have solid dmg and its techs are strong, especially with
I used to think Splashers was bad but you need investment in area, amount, might and duration to make it more powerful. Its dmg is actually pretty decent. It works well alongside horizontal direction weapons, supporting the front and covering up & down
frank jacinth
Just my thought process on ranking these weapons
You're 100% right about Khukur...
I really don't use Heart of Fire much at all, so maybe that's why I don't like Machine Gun lol. Also if it's any consolation I would probably put Flamberge at the very top of Moderate.
spice arrow
A bit of a tier list for ED weapons:
||Strong: Bullova, Twin Dragon, Spirit Rin...
I hate splashes. Its evolution isn’t bad, but man is it hard to get to.
fading flower
So what kind of dmg range would be considered good for an ED weapon?
100M mark minimum, perhaps?
tidal kettle
Why is the missile considered so bad when it works with both 
and ?
It's done pretty alright for my builds, one my favorite builds is freeze/fire weapons together, which I usually do with She Moon
tidal kettle
The glimmers seem alright to me tho, the middle stage one freezes half the screen when u have enough area, and the final evo usually does insane dmg for me from the glimmer
fading flower
On the Diva No.5 run I did to kill all the ED bosses, the missiles dealt over 14M dmg. Which I'm sure is better than Sanguine Star already.
tidal kettle
Isn't the problem w the star is that it scales w greed and that makes it ultra niche?
It sounds great for a victorian horror build tho
fading flower
The greed scaling comes from Blood Chalice's glimmer tech specifically. It's not the weapon as a whole