Show BGEs

[lunar copper]

Make sure to check out and vote on our poll in #community-center message before discussing here.

[unborn quiver]

For me it’s primarily the deckbuilding difficulty compared to traditional bges. I’ve spent a good amount of money on the game and still feel very underpowered and weak in this bge specifically. The game has been trait based for so long that my deck building and card picking decisions up until now have been based on that which leaves me feeling both limited with options and also overwhelmed with the amount of possible combinations. Show characters need to be easier to get during a show bge to help out any sort of newer player.

Still think it was a cool idea and is good to bring back a few times a year but it should be announced ahead of time to help prepare and only be seldom to keep it feeling special

[tired temple]

I don't like BGE boosts that don't have defensive boosts or at least a little more hp boost. Like for this BGE bomb and gas basically don't do much, you need a little more power to the buffs if you think defensive buffs are too OP

[light compass]

If they wanna do show bges they need to give more characters to people, show bges reduce the amount of characters even available for BGE buffs and they are already a super minority card type in the game

[lunar copper]

Just wanted to drop a note that I'm monitoring this and appreciate the feedback so far. Please continue

[light compass]

Big daddy is watching, be on your best behavior

[small jackal]

My biggest complaint would be they're boring...I never find new combos during show bge play...instead I see the same 4 or 5 combos over and over

[worldly loom]

I feel it's the over abundance of PCs. The boxes have been giving a much much higher amount of them creating OP walls. That's taken a lot of fun away.

[raw marsh]

Biggest issue is if you do not buy heavy into the OP tier box, you will struggle. The power creep of new versus old has gotten too far out of balance

[light compass]

Ok but what does this have to do with the show bges specifically?

That seems like more of an general complaint

[graceful sonnet]

I think show based bge's are a fun way to switch up the gameplay a bit. I personally think they should be done sporadically, between regular trait bges. Show buffs also make very little difference imo, boosts should be more impactful like their trait counterparts.

[unborn quiver]

I felt the show buff for American Dad was fine but the Futurama one pretty insignificant

[light compass]

I 1000% agree, it can change it up a bit giving us access to different combinations of combos we could run together. They do need to be less frequent than trait bges I think.

[small jackal]

Basing it off the shows limits the variety of game play by limiting it to only those characters from which moat players extrapolate the 2 or 3 best according to how many non matching trait object cards they're including

[lunar copper]

Did y'all vote then? Or did you go ? Just curious.

[unborn quiver]

If the limited character pool seems to be the biggest complaint (which i think it is) then maybe a solution is to do a dual show bge. Like Family Guy vs American Dad or something

[light compass]

I reacted with mort

[zealous flare]

Thanks for elaborating. I wondered why so many people chose the third option but that explains it for me. 👍

For myself choosing options one and two, I'd like to second the "it's a great thing but it should be rare"-motion and additionally stress how different the accessibility of legendary characters is between shows. Futurama, AD and KOTH have a relatively common character each (Bender, Roger, Bobby, respectively) while FG and Archer don't.

[light compass]

As I have spent more than enough money on this game these bges literally don't effect me like the free to play or the occasional spenders of this community

I still want everyone to be able to enjoy the game that they love playing

[unborn quiver]

I love the experimentation but now thats its been done we can see the pros and cons

[small jackal]

And I do think that the PC abundance topic IS relevant to the show bges specifically because given no assigned trait I think I find a lot more decks relying on PCs exclusively

[light compass]

All I ask is we get a archer bge

[unborn quiver]

I think a great way to spice it up is to give the players MORE deck building options instead of less, so i would love to see dual-show or dual-trait bge

[light compass]

What about two shows running at the same time with different BGE buffs

The possibilities are endless

[unborn quiver]

I didnt want to overcomplicated it but thats what i was thinking for a show vs show bge

[sleek comet]

It’s not even that it’s to difficult to build the decks it’s that Iv spent the last two years aiming all the cm’s at traits now they don’t make a decent show deck other than the American dad one I made for swole 🤷‍♂️

[unborn quiver]

Different buffs to increase the options for deckbuilding

[light compass]

Yeah that's what I was thinking, more options of character but then also more options of combinations

What if health and trait buffs weren't a % but a flat value

[lunar copper]

do you mean health and skill buffs**?

[unborn quiver]

Even a bge that plays like melee where the pcs dont get buffs but relevant characters and objects cards, plus made combos do

My last suggestion may be a bit too drastic but as a mid level player im like hell yeah

[sleek comet]

I just feel like the show bge were like having the carpet pulled from under me after all the decks Iv made for traits 🤷‍♂️

[unborn quiver]

My advice would be to ignore that this is a futurama bge and just start getting ready for the likely archer bge coming up next

[burnt cave]

Checking combos is still broken in game. One or more of the following will always happen trying to look at combos: traits and health/attack numbers will not show at all, results do not sort correctly or at all, CM is not shown.

This makes it nearly impossible to build a deck in game without external tools. These have been bugs for a long time

[light compass]

Yes that's what I meant

[proven kite]

Slightly off topic, but I feel still relevant...
I think we need a way to encourage people to actually make decks for BGEs.
Sick of doing clashes where you just get smashed by whales with effectively a full deck of maxxed out full gold crown "cigarette addicts". Now that's no fricking fun.
Especially when you've gone to the trouble of making a proper deck...
Maybe a decent buff for BGE or appropriate theme, and a decent nerf to other traits or BGE?

And yeah, we need the ability to see what abilities combos have. Been broken for eons...

[lunar copper]

haha thought so but wanted to be 100%

I think flat numbers would create a weird issue with scaling down and scaling up obviously. So like it might be great for the middle pack but be too underpowered at high deck levels and super over powered for newer players

[light compass]

Yeah, just brainstorming

PCs could get weaker buffs than making combos gets or something

Pc walls are just busted IMO

[sleek comet]

I have no problem building a deck the problem I have is I don’t have enough cm’s for the same show 🤷‍♂️

[burnt cave]

Show BGE makes PC walls and even bigger problem

[light compass]

Did you read my comment before the one you replied to?

[unborn quiver]

Not having cms is part of the deckbuilding issue but i see what you mean

[light compass]

I think PCs outside of the bge maybe need a nerf of some kind, my GBG wall is still stronger than most stuff even against stuff getting bge buffs

[thick anchor]

I like the show BGEs, though agree that it should be in a rotation with trait BGEs. I think part of the issue currently is that Futurama's buffs are just rather weak. 25% health over the normal 30% or the previously used 50%, and 2 offensive skills instead of the normal 1 offensive 1 defensive

[light compass]

Yeah, making everything a glass cannon lol

[light hemlock]

i want to run a bge based deck, but because the buffs have been so weak, i do better running birthday bash which takes the fun out of there being a new bge

[coarse jetty]

Regarding show BGEs, there are two main issues for me (and I apologize if these have already been voiced... I haven't been able to read through the whole thread):

1. in a perfect world a show-based BGE would give us the best "rock paper scissors" outcome of multiple viable strategies competing against one another. I feel like with the American Dad BGE, all it did was expose problems in the game. The spenders all just spammed PK (into a lesser extent, BBS) and the free players all gravitated to Future Rich Snot. That's boring and it's a problem.

2. Ultimately, the show BGEs feel like a cash grab that is wedging the free players and pay players further apart by offering the most OP PCs for 3 weeks at a time. PK broke the game. To fix to that was not to make PK even more available. Now we're in Cronenberg world and there's no going back. Part of what that means is that every BGE needs to figure out a way to nerf PK (and to a lesser extent other motivate PC walls) and because of this, we have to blow out cripple all values so that people can compete in the arena. It's a mess.

On the bright side I haven't seen any single combo emerge as the dominant one during the Futurama BGE the way that future rich snot did during American Dad. But that's mostly I think because there's not a strong enough cripple all combo to run on from Futurama so you have to get creative. Which I don't mind because creative is fun and challenging. What I do mind is taking auto-losses every time someone can lay 4 PKs to start a match. I'm no slouch, but I just don't have an answer for that.

[light compass]

One man band seems like a god tier PC, stopping most in their tracks

[kind goblet]

1. show BGE if not alternated with trait BGEs will lead to significantly reduced variety. 2) show BGEs feel too broad / not constraining enough. Think about it this way - would a everything BGE where every show is buffed at once make sense? clearly no. Would one where half of the cards make sense? probably not. Show BGEs = 1/6th of all the cards at one time which feels too much

[light compass]

Capacity to stop 40ish crazers in their tracks

[unborn quiver]

Problem with one man band is that not only is it good against pk but its also really good with pk

[light compass]

PK like GBG is great support to nearly any deck

That cripple all and motivate together is just so strong

[unborn quiver]

Anyone who cashed out 4-5 months ago instead of the last fee months has to be feeling buyers remorse

[coarse jetty]

One Man Band can hold at bay... Kind of. Playing from behind in arena is still an issue and it's only source of attack power is from hijack, meaning it can easily be crippled out by opposing PCs or 1 Borthday combo.

And besides that, it's still only a solution for the spenders. But I guess that's the point.

[cold crater]

Personally this BGE I'm skipping due to lack of characters available. Just focused on Swole.

[thick anchor]

this is somewhat related to the show BGEs, as the reason seems to be keeping clash and melee "on theme", but can we please NOT have clashes and melees that feature combos and character that many people will be using in their SFC decks? it just means that in all levels of clash/melee we are just going to be running into slot 1 boosted combos that we have no chance of beating

[coarse jetty]

That's a feature, not a bug.

You're not wrong, but compare notes with other players and you'll find everyone tends to run into the same accounts in clash/melee. It's not as random as you might think.

Also, everyone saw the Archer BGE coming, but I think it shows your lack of awareness. If people are complaining about not having enough characters for American Dad or Futurama, where are things going to be when Archer rolls around? Too much. Too soon.

Read the room. 😂

[uncut stirrup]

bro dropped a bomb on us with archer BGE

[steep swift]

LMFAO after all the feedback on show bges too,

[uncut stirrup]

i mean it was prob already in the works

they cant just cancel on the spot based on some feedback

[coarse jetty]

I'm sure it was. Archer disguised PC was already in MQ rewards.

And I don't mean to be negative Nancy. I enjoy the game and I appreciate those that work on it.

But I'm in a top-15 guild and a bunch of guys are planning to sit out arena when Archer hits

[uncut stirrup]

[lunar copper]

👋 wanted to poke in here again amid all the really good feedback and let you know we are listening. The Archer BGE (like most of our other content) was planned in advance.

We do plan on doing what we can to address some of the more voted options folks picked in the current poll. The designer of BGE boosts and myself have already been talking about ways we can improve boosts for Archer compared to the previous 2 show BGEs (just as one example).

I hope you will bear with us and continue supplying the invaluable feedback we've been seeing pour in since our last (and current) poll.

[jaunty ocean]

It’s too klunky comparing the object only byes

Bges*

[coarse jetty]

Thanks BO. But if I could request that polls in the future with pre-written response options also provide a "none of the above" so you can see if your options were on the nose or if you were missing something substantial.

[lunar copper]

fair, I was definitely trying to spread it out as much as possible but its a good callout since I doubt I'll ever be able to get all the unique possible options in one poll

[coarse jetty]

👍

[quartz rover]

Personally, I've played this game off and on over the past few years, since its insurrection I believe. If im remembering right, BGE's haven't been around forever, I think it makes arena more interesting, it keeps us on a standard rotation for what's powerful. I'm enjoying BGE's, of all sorts. The animal one definitely felt better than the past two though. AD felt good only because I pulled a couple mythic AD cards.
All in all, im just happy with the state of the game and look forward to future updates

[pure dust]

Just because something was planned in advance doesn't mean you can't pivot and change due to community response. That's a weak excuse

[quartz rover]

After sleuthing this discord for a bit, isn't it the consensus of most top players that archer BGE is "the best" or at least the best in terms of GT pack odds?

[dusk eagle]

Archer next? So just 3 to finish this show bge yeahi!!

[pure dust]

It's the smallest card pool, yes. The top players who have been hoarding GTs will create an even bigger gap in spending power because of it

[lunar copper]

There has definitely been some changes to BGEs over the years. From length to number of BGE buffs and everything in between 😁

[quartz rover]

Am I crazy or was there gaps between BGE's before? Like they didn't line up perfectly. Sorry if you don't have the answer or haven't been dev long enough to know

[deep cliff]

No gaps but there were overlapping bges at one point. The game launched with drunk as the first bge!

[weary sigil]

I absolutely HATE show BGEs. It's a nightmare to build a deck for them. Also, the choice to do an archer one is absolutely insane. I'm going to go from running mostly all mythic character cards to having to put blue cards in my deck. BLUE!

[lunar copper]

Not that I remember but it honestly hasn't all jammed perfectly in my brain. I've been on AT in one way or another for almost 6 years now. So not from the beginning (although I did pre-reg and play since then) but long enough to forget stuff haha 😬

[pseudo mortar]

Show bge starts diluting the card pool by the ever increasing number of all pcs decks with cm5, this makes the arena painful to play

Used to be more fun when we would have 2 bge running together because they would overlap

[spare orbit]

Show BGE's make it difficult to plan a defense, as there are so many possibilities. Arena is a trap where high SFC scores go to die.

[delicate oxide]

Yes yes

I’m here now lol

[pseudo mortar]

Show bge should stay in siege alone

[solemn trench]

Underwhelming and building decks by far. It's hard to work around the traits.

[uncut onyx]

Yeah I'm even considering just not playing at all until show BGEs are over because deck building is an absolute pain in 🤬.

Before it was ok here are my 13 "best" item cards (assuming no PCs in the deck). Let me find the "best" 13 characters for the BGE/CMs you might have.

Now it's let me find the "best" 13 characters (which might lead to using lower tier cards) and then try and find the "best" 13 item cards so than u don't have any holes/no-combos made and its come to a complete nightmare of a process

[dense bone]

As long as the bge isn't a show that completely sucks (king of the hill), I'm okay with them.

[cold crater]

Yeah shows suck 🐎 🌰

[frank acorn]

Just like most people here, I don't like show BGEs either. It feels as if you don't have 12 same characters that can do a good combo, your are screwed. Pretty much adds a level ofdifficulty as now you need not only 12-13 cards with a specific trait but also a lot of the same character cards to have a good chance of doing well.

[cold crater]

I’m fine with shows aslong as it gets divided up eventually

#ShowTraitShowTrait

[graceful sonnet]

I went

[delicate oxide]

The animation team needs to decide for themselves what’s best otherwise there’s never ending controversy over whatever your polling (my opinion)

Show concept is good! Decks are more organized!

[spice shard]

Show is good, but this futurama one is seriously weak

Needs a health buff at the minimum

[cursive crescent]

It is very hard to find synergy between combos of characters in show BGE. For example in fututama bge, many recommend running an armed deck. This is only possible if you have certain characters and certain objects. Otherwise you end up making a deck which results in multiple combos for each there is no similarity in the skills and that makes it very unappealing to me.

[kind goblet]

"I hope you will bare with us" did you mean "bear with us", or are you actually proposing we all get in the nude together. because just name the place and time.

[spice shard]

I want to be bare with everyone

[untold bloom]

✅ 1,000 XP has been given to @kind goblet

[lunar copper]

updated

😮‍💨

[grizzled hinge]

It’s just too many cards, over 300 options in the golden turd box? How am I ever going to match even 1 card so it’s not a low single? Also I was excited about American dad because I have been waiting ages for another Steve so I could have a quad and didn’t have a single chance for him! Golden turd pools need to be smaller not 1/6th of all cards in the game.

[alpine rivet]

my opinion: i love them and am happy to see show bges added to the rotation, but agree that recent boosts for these bges have been a little lackluster

[forest yarrow]

I would like more deck space for show decks. I don't want to have to dismantle a regular bge deck for them

[uncut onyx]

Yes I agree that if we are going to be having these Show BGEs then we'll need to expand our current deck slots to about 30?

[thorny cape]

Both lol

[thorny cape]

I like the show bge, but after we run through all 6 make them more occasional. Archer next??? A whale’s dream come true, but the rest of us don’t have enough characters and will be up against Borthday Bash for sure; yikes!

[cold crater]

Going to be a long long year for sure with these shows and shows and shows and shows

Shoot me now

☠️

[thorny cape]

I like the many deck options that come with shows. I don’t mind PC walls, but PK is still killing in sfc. Remember when CM was introduced and it was only for combos and not PCs? Then the big spenders complained and the rule was changed. I don’t expect this to be different; the whales will get what they want (to be OP) and the rest of us will be left in the lurch.

[cold crater]

Three reasons I’m not fond of show BGEs

1. It’s way too easy to build a full PC deck during a show BGE and now it’s not even only Whales fielding full PC decks which just adds a degree of frustration for everyone as there are more PC decks than ever

2. I find it more fun to play trait BGEs because you can play characters from multiple shows and still be successful with ‘em which is much harder to do in a show BGE.

3. The BGE buffs for the show BGEs have been weaksauce so far.

That being said, on a selfish level I’m kind of happy to see an Archer BGE on the horizon because I have quite a few Golden Turds and the Archer BGE pool will offer a ludicrous amount of value compared to any other turd pool in the game.

Would be elated if the show BGEs stopped after Archer though.

[thorny cape]

Have you ever pulled turds before?

[cold crater]

Yeah, but not for a while.

[thorny cape]

They are what they promise

[cold crater]

Yup

It’s still the best pool to use the currency on in the game. Archer characters are some of the most desirable characters in the game.

Archer objects are all brand new and super strong and almost every single Archer PC is at least decent.

[mighty falcon]

I am able to make all 6 shows bge and only been playing a year. I don’t know what everyone is complaining about. All games have a hard and probably easy parts to it. Can’t be much of a gamer if you are going to complain about the hard points of the game especially newly developed part of the game. Now you have to work a little more on the shows bge. I think you spoiled these guys too much

[cold crater]

Making a deck and hitting 2250 in sfc two different things playa

Not easy hitting 2250 with these lousy show buffs

[thorny cape]

All good points. The game should be challenging. Regardless of show BGE the most difficult aspects have always been: #1 deck building, #2 knowing how to play a deck reactively, #3 getting the desired cards.

[delicate oxide]

Shit I’m sitting at 2600+ baby

Couldn’t agree more malice!

[cold crater]

Spending money like most of yous do makes it require no deck building and skill involved

Use some common card’s and epics and hit that 2600 playa

🤠

[thorny cape]

Spending money will fix #3. Consulting with other players can fix #1. Only skill/practice can fix #2, but in regards to defense the PC is the easy way around.

[cold crater]

Money fixes all 1,2, and 3

[thorny cape]

Essentially

Also, it has been that way for going on seven years

[carmine stratus]

I've always thought character cards needed to be more prominent. I like the idea of show BGEs though.

[delicate oxide]

Couldn’t imagine what a guy like that is like a walking ANIMAL lol if you can get to 2600+ using blue cards you are a GOD 😂😂

[cold crater]

Yeah lol

I like the shows and don’t like the shows. Same for traits. You like some and you hate some. It is what it is.

More I blab more experience I get so you never know what will come from me

I’d rather have Futurama show bge than some traits That’s for sure

[light compass]

Damn, everyone in your guild is crying about archer huh?

[coarse jetty]

Lol... We'll be fine. Just calling it like we see it.

[cold crater]

It’s going to be massacre 😆

[coarse jetty]

And trying to play as smartly as we can, given our resources

[cold crater]

Yup all you can do

[light compass]

Yeah quitting is a good playing smart option

[cold crater]

Never quit simply complain and keep moving

[coarse jetty]

Nobody said quitting. Just not tanking their arena rank since that feeds melee/clash

[cold crater]

Exactly

[light compass]

He said they would be sitting out for archer, your effectively quitting for three weeks. Just calling it like I see it

[coarse jetty]

Sitting out of arena. Yeah. We'll still be right in the thick of it for everything else

[stoic yew]

I see it in my guild: especially weaker players without big purses are pretty frustrated. And 3 show bges in a row are too much. We are a top25 guild with members playing in this guild for 2-6 years. And these show bge's are annoying. And pk is annoying. With one evil the f2p's can live. With 2 i don't think so

[light compass]

Ohh ok, I misunderstood. I guess quitting arena is now being in the thick of it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[cold crater]

Still got everything else 😂

[light compass]

Just be honest with yourself dude

[cold crater]

I love discord

[coarse jetty]

Lol... If you don't have a baseline reading comprehension then I can't help you!! I stand by what I wrote. Maybe try reading slower and using your finger to track the words ,🤦‍♂️

[light compass]

I wasn't the one saying a bunch of guys are sitting out because archer wahhhh

I understand what you said, maybe your not understanding what you're saying

[delicate oxide]

😂😂 😂😂

[alpine rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-keep-it-civil-zak-zeeks-coney-panda-global-civilized-gif-17357326

[coarse jetty]

For me personally, I'll do what I always do and put my best foot forward. But I'm just trying to communicate the frustration that I'm hearing from a lot of players. You don't have to take that as an opportunity to troll

[light compass]

Am I being uncivil? I said nothing rude. I was simply being blunt

"calling it like I see it" as the man said earlier

[coarse jetty]

All good

[alpine rivet]

just stepping in before it got out of control, just a reminder not a warning XD

[cold crater]

I completely understand Rubert and Drunk Goat 😎

I’m just enjoying the show 🥳

[light compass]

This is completely correct, this is a great opportunity for many people to get some good high value cards

[alpine rivet]

💯

[light compass]

Not between the bges themselves, but the ECMC ended two days before the bge did.

[light compass]

I can see this being a thing

[narrow furnace]

Playing for 2-6 years and can't handle a show bge?? Are you kidding?

[digital meteor]

Clueless devs 😂

[hard zodiac]

Only been playing for a year now, and I, and most of our guilds are pretty stoked for the archer BGE! Cant really wrap my head around how some of these "OG" players cant hang with a little change. 😅

[light compass]

That's rude, did you try saying anything of substance? Some feedback they can listen to maybe?

[digital meteor]

It’s too late for that 😂

Years too late

Slurp on though.

[light compass]

Who hurt you?

[digital meteor]

These devs

[light compass]

Then quit playing if you truly feel that way, why waste your time for this long?

[digital meteor]

Many people quit today including me.

[light compass]

I seriously don't understand so many people thought process, it's like they don't have one and just react off emotions.

[digital meteor]

Try saying something of substance.

[light compass]

Who exactly?

[digital meteor]

Denying reality works great. Ask the devs lol

[light compass]

Can't even get your own comments, see what I'm saying?

[digital meteor]

Or I’m mocking your ridiculous comments

Are you trying to get a job? I assure you they can’t afford to hire 😂

Enjoy your mess

[light compass]

The only one who's ridiculous is you, nice failed troll...

[digital meteor]

Failed so hard you’re in a tizzy 🫶

[light compass]

Keep projecting

[hard zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-this-whats-happening-gif-14760168

[light compass]

[delicate oxide]

A lot of this is nonsense

[cold crater]

I mean aren’t you guys (Pennyguins) a new-gen guild that first started spending money right around the time that the powercreep (which was heavily pioneered by the introduction of the Archer show) went absolutely berserk?

Of course y’all are going to have a good time with the Archer BGE.

A lot of the rest of us are pretty burnt out from playing/spending in the years before ya’ll even came on the AT scene.

[uncut stirrup]

[cold crater]

Personally, I’m happy because I have about 300K golden turds for the Archer pool but I could see why a majority of the player base with far fewer turds would not be nearly as enthused.

[distant heron]

The buffs seem off. If someone goes to the trouble of putting together a show based BGE deck, they should at least not be getting crushed by the AI spamming random Mythics not even in the BGE. I cannot count how many times this BGE I have just been destroyed by a leftover American Dad PC BGE deck or Rando deck. Very frustrating.

[digital meteor]

They have no idea what theyre doing yeah

[gaunt remnant]

This is true. But powercreep is in every game, it's how they keep things fresh and incentivize people to continue spending, not much can be done about it. At least they're trying something new, and if at the end of the cycle of shows, people didn't like them, they'll probably switch up

[distant heron]

Also meant to add that these show based BGEs seem much more CM dependent than the trait based BGEs. Not sure why that is and don't want to jump to blaming something like the PC boxes, but when I do see actual Futurama BGE decks, they seem to be heavier on the CMs. Not a complaint, just an observation.

[cold crater]

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying.

I’m just saying that of course you guys have a different perspective on the matter of an Archer BGE when a great deal of your guild has spent quite a bit less money for far more powerful stuff than many other OG players because you happened to arrive on the AT scene right around the time when the powercreep went absolutely bonkers.

[digital meteor]

"You guys" xD

[cold crater]

Sure, powercreep is important but it still existed in AT and was chugging along in a relatively stable manner until they introduced Archer and then it went pretty off the rails.

[gaunt remnant]

Oh I agree with that, the Archer combos are nuts. But that powercreep already happened

[cold crater]

For sure. I’m just saying a great deal of your new-gen guild put first time or close to first time money right around the time of the massive Archer powercreep and therefore are naturally going to be beyond psyched for the Archer BGE.

[gaunt remnant]

I get it, you're thinking people who bought into Archer are biased because they have an advantage. On the flip side, it's hard to get new Archer cards right now, and the Archer BGE will make that a lot easier no?

[cold crater]

Only for those with a considerable amount of golden turds and most of those individuals will often be spenders to some degree.

[gaunt remnant]

There will be a BGE starter pack, new archer boxes, megaquest archer character+PCs, it's probably the best chance to get new archer cards. and I say that as a f2p pennyguin lol

[cold crater]

And yeah, I’m sure you guys are stacked with Archer stuff because for many of your guildies that was likely one of the first time they invested heavily in the game.

For many of the rest of us we were already burned out from spending because of the years of spending we did prior to the power creep going off the rails with the introduction of Archer show.

[digital meteor]

I'm in the guild you seem to think is ecstatic about this haha

[gaunt remnant]

some are happy given they invested in it, sure. though I don't mind it either, and I'm f2p. been saving up turds and hoping to boost my deck a bit

[digital meteor]

whales and mass tuders are the only ones happy, the end

[cold crater]

That being said, I’m not trying to hate on the fact that you guys (Pennyguins) are newcomers to the AT scene.

Your guild came on to the AT scene at a very opportune time and there’s nothing wrong with that.

I’m just merely stating why a large part of your guild (particularly the spendier individuals) are going to be far more psyched for the Archer BGE than many other individuals in non new-gen + new money guilds are.

[cold crater]

Pennyguins?

[alpine rivet]

not taking sides, just wanted to say i love the term "mass turders" 😂

[digital meteor]

Yes. And they should have given us WAY more warning on this event.

[gaunt remnant]

it's been a mixed response, even within pennyguins. only the ones that hate it or love it the most post, usually. lol

[digital meteor]

Anyone who doesn't have 50k turds is screwed

[alpine rivet]

f bombs are loved less though 😛

[gaunt remnant]

once they announced futurama, I assumed they would rotate through all the shows, so I saved turds

[digital meteor]

i thought i was in my guild chat my bad

[alpine rivet]

gotta really be confusing since i joined the server there now too lol

[cold crater]

I don’t think there’s much of a side to take. I’m merely stating why a guild that’s still quite new to the AT scene such as Pennyguins (who would therefore have invested almost all of their money in the last year or so) would be far more excited for an Archer BGE than many other far more established and pre-Archer powercreep guilds would.

[digital meteor]

i figured there would be NO WAY theyd be this clueless so i dropped them all on AD

you know, since they asked us if we liked this format and we all said no

[gaunt remnant]

I get it. I don't spend on games anymore, because inevitably the devs make some mistake or get greedy and old money spent becomes worthless. I guess I'm just jaded and accept how things are

[cold crater]

The old money spent becoming absolutely worthless is really becoming a problem here. It was ok until Archer power creep really ramped things up.

Now it feels like when it comes to individuals who spend semi-heavily on this game only new-gen Whales are actually enjoying themselves since they have yet to dedicate too much money to this game. The already established Whales mostly just feel pressure to spend so that they don’t just completely fall behind the curve even though they’ve already made massive investments in this game.

[alpine rivet]

i just figured archer was already planned when the poll was made since the new season is coming out and i assume any major changes in future bge planning will hppen after archer

[delicate oxide]

The whales will always be fine

[gaunt remnant]

I'm still assuming they'll finish up the rotation of show BGEs

[gaunt remnant]

yeah, powercreep overdone sucks. but I guess my point was the powercreep already happened, probably should have made a ruckus at that point

[alpine rivet]

i wouldnt mind it, ive always liked making show decks

[cold crater]

I know a ton of OG whales that are beyond furious at how much Kong ramped up the powercreep in the last year so agree to disagree. New-gen whales are probably having a blast I’m sure but that’s because they likely aren’t very deep into the five figures yet (if at all)

[delicate oxide]

Same

I like how you view things from all prospectives, could use more of that around lol

I could only imagine, spending 1000- on a deck then to have BGE come into play then lose to meta… I hear ya with that for sure

[digital meteor]

The game is in that nosedive get whatever profit we can mode. Archer will either make you quit or spend, and thats fine with them

[gaunt remnant]

that's already what the recent month-long dual PC boxes suggest. strong PCs always available in the shop make them ubiquitous, and then the rest of us lose against them and get tempted to buy them too 😂

[digital meteor]

Very pleased with myself that I have zero desire to ever spend a penny here again lol

[cold crater]

Bart Simpson is great 😊

[untold bloom]

Bart

No. Eat my shorts!

[void osprey]

The skills are not being buffed enough for the show bge’s is what the problem is, 25% increase in gas and bomb is nothing doesn’t make any real difference and y’all are going backwards even AD was 30% which is still low, the skills need to be buffer to 50% at least like it is when it’s a trait bge. @lunar copper

[alpine rivet]

yea show bges should be powerful and possibly even more powerful than regular trait bges

no need to tag BO though lol i promise the devs are reading it all

[digital meteor]

Why would they read it lol. They dont even take this into account they just do whatever

[plucky sage]

The simple truth is the "majority stockholder" is revenue. These polls are at best a tie-breaker

[distant rock]

With plenty of bge rumbles, siege, swole, melee, clashs and now even regular shows, why do we still have this ridicolous deck slot cap? This is honestly shit for a card game which wants us to use plenty of decks for plenty of events. Raise the cap by 10 slots or more.

[pure dust]

I think the current max of 30 is fine. If you're playing the game regularly and improving your cards, decks rarely stay the same. Especially when bge bonuses can dictate different combos being better

[cold crater]

I am the only one that likes to make a deck for every trait and then mess around in adventure just for fun?

[alpine rivet]

i have a deck for every trait and show lol

you are not alone my friend

[weary sigil]

How does King of the Hill suck? It's the only one I want to do because I have a deck that's nearly all cigarette addicts

[craggy pivot]

Show BGE, if I want and all Futurama deck. Leads out to be way to many combo's

[slow maple]

Show BGEs are just a cash grab. Isn't it strange how they add a new show then do this to us? They have gotten enough of my money.

[cold crater]

I also like to use as many Mythics as possible since I’m not actually using those decks competitively. Fun to see all the shiny gold even though they aren’t often so effective in practice.

[coral knot]

I agree with this. I generally try to play with quads if possible at my level since the other decks at my level are pretty lethal. I regularly play people from the top guilds. The show type bge decks for me are much weaker since I’m having to play some non fused and dual fused cards to still use all show cards for that bonus. The show bges are for the most part fine, but even though I have tons of cards, I don’t really have enough all from one show to make an effective deck against many of the opponents I face.

[distant rock]

No idea why you think i am talking about the max of 30. I am talking about the actual decks. I am f2p since 2016 playing every single day and i have a max of 20 but 1260+ cards. So i totally disagree on saying the actual deck slot number is balanced nor that the max is, which is only obtainable via VIP and therefor with money.

[pure dust]

I was talking about the deck slots too. It maxes out at 30. The deck card max is 35.

There are 12 traits and 6 shows currently (excluding hyper). A designated siege and rumble defense puts you at 20. That leaves you 10 slots if everyone had the current max of 30

[distant rock]

you forget that there is always an off and def deck necessary for competetive play

[pure dust]

Varies depending on the situation.

[distant rock]

sure it also varies if i own 10 cards or 1000. fair point...

[pure dust]

You're forgetting that those who are f2p don't have as many cards so multiple decks aren't always possible

[unborn quiver]

They may not need em but other players want and need them. Having extra deck slots has no negative impact on f2p playwrs

[pure dust]

Except Kong would like to make more money so that's why the extra are hidden behind a paywall

[distant rock]

what an argument

are we focussing on ppl playing the game for 10 months and saying the game has enough options for newcomers? or are we talking about improving the game for long time players? i don't see your point so far. again. i am f2p, i never invested 1 dollar in this game. but i struggle building decks, since i have to delete my melee and clash every week. i did not even build a swole deck yet.

[unborn quiver]

Hes not trying to make things better for anyone hes just saying its good for him and he doesnt care about anyone else

20 deck slots is fine for me but why wouldnt i want to have 30 or 40 or 50

[distant rock]

12 bge = 24 decks for off/def, 6 for shows = 12, melees, clash, swole. i build 37 decks over the last 2 years just for clashes

i built 20 melee decks

having 20 is ridicolous low

[pure dust]

Congrats? I build them each week too

[distant rock]

even for ppl playing the game for one year

omg

no point in discussing this with you i guess

[unborn quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/yum-in-my-mouth-patrick-patrick-star-gross-gif-4992539

[distant rock]

why not move on

[unborn quiver]

Ryan for kongs b hole right now

[alpine rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-keep-it-civil-zak-zeeks-coney-panda-global-civilized-gif-17357326

[pure dust]

There's no point in discussing with you. It's fine you have OCD and need to keep separate decks for everything, but you're in the minority. There is no need for 12 separate offense and defense decks with each trait when the game and card inventory is not stagnant.

[digital meteor]

Seems like he was talking about the show

[olive elbow]

Deck building is one of my favorite things about this game, and it’s been fun trying to figure it out for the shows. Futurama has been discouraging, can’t remember the last time my arena rank has been this low. I’ll keep trying to get it right, but agree the buffs could be better.

[pure dust]

It's definitely one of the tricky things, especially following the AD BGE. I have multiple cm5 combos in FT, but I'm not using any of them for arena/SFC

[inner aspen]

LOVED American dad bge this futurama one sucks. I wish instead of archer we’d do family guy then take a break from shows for a few cycles. Def voted that it’s good in a good rotation, even two shows at once like I saw is cool too but archer next is gonna suck worse than this current one

[bronze finch]

My arena rank and score have completely tanked since the start of the show based BGE's. I do appreciate the chance to build the show decks, but at the loss of rank, points, and perks? Mix it up and do a trait then do a show, etc. This back to back to back show deck BGE is buggin.

[scarlet lake]

I don't like them. I can't keep up with constantly making new decks and all the research.

[simple flax]

The problem with show BGEs and also applies to Melees is the difficulty of getting character cards. We have character stones and yet they weren't created with a choice of 3 so players really can't create the deck they want. These stones need to be a choice of 3 like Super Mythic Stones, Super Legendary Stones, Legendary Power Stones and Mythic Object Stones. There is also no reason why the devs can't make the character stones a choice of 3 before the Archer BGE. They added new skills to old combos and in the scope of the game Character stones are fairly new. I even put a suggestion in prior to finding out that there is going to be an Archer BGE

#suggestion-box message

Even the poll is overwhelmingly lopsided further proving that characters are the problem.

#community-center message

[dusk eagle]

Golden turds during archer will be the best thing of this show bge, but there is plenty pftime to think how to nerf that possibility

[kind goblet]

Damn. Was hoping for the other scenario. Maybe can still get some ai generated pics of the situation from the lounge tho

[thick storm]

I think show bge's as they are 6 . Creates a bigger gap with grinders and spenders. For me it has become impossible to get to 2250 during the show bge's because of the different decks and I lose out at one point against adifferent pc deck that is too fast for me. the other bge's are fine as there is a dominant pc deck and I can build a deck that can cope with that. Pc's in other words are more dominant in show . You can put your athletic and disguised pc's from one show together. It is much harder to do and even some weaker accounts now can throw pc's in that can make me lose on speed.

In comparison the old bge's there are about 12 right. So that means you need 2 as much pc's. to build decks like you do in show bge's. And show bge's well the mix is just different so very tough. In the old bge's the mix is more uniform and easier to deal with.

You might actually like it that it is tougher to deal with and people can use more of their pc's. But since there is a weekly melee or clash it is really not. this forces you to be 2250 If you want to make top 100. Becquse of the difficulty I might park my account once I get there again. I thought I would be able to do it since in every bge I was able to reach it. But not in shows. As a side note I am saving the mythic stones to do a 70 mythic opening, just need to find decent free screen capturing software. (that is how I flex lol)

Summary : I dislike show bge's as they make the importance of Pc's bigger and that already was a factor i didn't like in the game . Throwing in a bunch of pc's is not a sign of great deckbuilding skills. I think honestly the game would have been so much better without pc's.

[dusk eagle]

Well sayed Kris, very well sayed!

[cold crater]

PCs are a cheat pretty much yes

Delete them all 😆

[thorny cape]

Just take away the CM bonus for PCs like it was meant to be

[eager sluice]

What if it’s a show bge and a trait bge at the same time like more focused on the not soo popular combos

[strange crane]

Problem with any bge is there almost is no incentive to make a deck when photo Klaus or body builder stan kills you before you can combo. Specially Futurama with its poor character health

[eager sluice]

Like what I mean with this example only American dad fighter combos will get the buff

[desert shuttle]

My vote is traits!

[cloud cape]

show bges just highlights how badly the game is balanced

there are a few more options over, and also more ways to screw over other players

ive seen more players quit since this sh*tshow has started and im thinking about quitting myself too cause of this

too much upset for too many players

[opaque spade]

Get rid of the show BGEs! They SUCK and BLOW! Show BGEs just feel like a cash grab.

Bring back TRAITS!!

[placid sinew]

The show BGEs just highlight the gap between players and payers. Not willing to shell out the $$$ to get enough Archer cards to compete in the upcoming BGE, so I'm just going to sit it out. Honestly don't know if I'll come back. If the show BGEs continue, I think I'm done.

[opaque spade]

Right there with you, Toe!

[digital meteor]

Haha, what the people want is obvious. Will they care?

[cold crater]

I think they will to some extent.

Even though they obviously care more how the spenders feel, the AT Devs still have to be careful not to piss off the majority of the community that is F2P/C2P as if most of the community is up in arms that won’t look good for prospective new Whales that might come in here and believe that based on community sentiment the game is in a bad state and thefore not worth spending money on/continuing to play.

To a lesser extent this could even be applied to already established Whales.

TL;DR community morale is still important to the Devs I would think even if it’s from a purely financial standpoint as even prospective and current Whales can be discouraged from spending money on a game that is currently being received so negatively by a large majority of the community.

[cold crater]

Bring a skill BGE.

"All combos with gas get a xxx gas boost"

[cold crater]

But what if they ever did a skill BGE that targeted one of the broken skills?

(Heal-all, Cripple-all, Shield-all, hijack)

That’s would make things pretty wild especially when it comes to PCs with those skills.

Yeah, hell yeah. Gas, cripple, whatever....

[uncut stirrup]

very well said

[deep ermine]

It's harder to make a show BGE deck because there are more combos to balance. If I have 12 show cards that are 6 characters, they can be paired with items across 12 active traits. Within a trait, a character may have 1 combo or 4-5 combos depending. That is a ton of combos to go through. We've also been in a trait based BGE cycle for so long that show based boosts have not been valued. That requires you to look at combos that you may not have used previously. This isn't a bad thing but adds work.

[worldly viper]

I already have decks saved for the regular BGEs, both offense and defense. There's no way to save those, and now I need to delete some to make room for each show-specific BGE.

[thorny cape]

If deck slots are an issue; you can save images of the deck (using a video recorder while you scroll)

Meanwhile, I’m sad to see the new Zapp box is being stingy! Used to get 5,10,20 mythic stones on the first 3 tiers and now it’s 💩💩💩

[kind plaza]

I don’t see the point of this vote now after you started with the PK bge followed by the FAL bge and next is the Borthday bge… like you already ran all the dominant bges and boxes back to back so what’s left now?

[kind goblet]

There's still the GBG bge and DBL bge and GFW bge to come

[vocal narwhal]

I saw no real problem until the plan for an "Archer" bge. Newest show added = biggest potential spend by players. So to me, this is an obvious cash grab by Kong.

[dusk eagle]

I think lot pf ppl is building a trait mono show bges

So work to be done is mix traits as per old duoble bge or when we had not enuogh to build a mono trait.
Those days weren’t filled by ton of op pcs. That’s the big problem now. Not for the 15% pf the players pf course.

So it takes time to be appreciated as traits bges

But 6 in a years are not too much, 6 in a row yes.

[cold crater]

Also….Archer show BGE, but still no siege island

[thorny cape]

Archer emoji reactions when

[coral knot]

Agree.

[viral maple]

I just miss normal bges

[deep ermine]

Right. That’s what I did but it’s not building a show BGE deck. It’s a trait BGE deck that is stupidly constrained to one show for some BGE poor boosts.

[brave sparrow]

I don’t fuckin have enough deck slots to add a Family Guy Deck to participate in siege

Man I’m not buying anything anymore until normal BGE is back. Only playing to stay in my clan.

[cold crater]

Erase a deck and make a different one.

Only need two decks in my opinion. One for attack and one for defence. Maybe 3. Since helps to have a rumble attack and arena attack.

But can always change when needed.

Don’t need 100 decks

[digital meteor]

Legit can’t tell if these are jokes haha

[cold crater]

You never know with me 🤪

[thorny cape]

In 2016, I agree with you

[kind goblet]

Borthday for attack, OMB PC wall for defense

[thick storm]

well they are NOT listening to the issue. They have a new type of clash/ melee. All drunk cards get 100% bonus. so drop a few drunk pc's and noone can catch up. Or even that is not necessary. anyway the issues with that is that if those hit our hero they do double damage.... and if you have a motivater in drunk or a cheer in drunk even more. So while it was difficul to come from behind they are making it near impossible.

[river arrow]

Ikyfl, why is there an Archer BGE coming in a week??? Of all the shows to do next, why did y'all pick the one that's so new that many players will likely NOT have enough to have a healthy competition with? Also, 100% health, attack, and skills for drunk? I thought it decided by players long ago that those boosts were the worst! All that does is make it all on the same level as without the boost, just with bigger numbers. *edit: the drunk part is for a new skirmish event...ok but my critique still stands 🤷🏽‍♀️

[teal falcon]

I suppose they picked it because one of the kinks of the BGEs is that every time you can get cards with stones, BGE related cards tend to come up (tendency, not guarantee), so if you have few Archer cards, BGE would eventually help you with it.

[teal falcon]

I made my Archer deck with every Archer card I have, and then sprinkled it with the best of the cards I had from the 3 Traits all character cards from Archer combo with (Armed, Disguised and Animal), enough to get to the 25 cards minimum.

[digital meteor]

lmfao what

They picked it to sell you cards the end

[river arrow]

Ahhh. I luckily have enough to put together a minimal Archer deck with some power card support. In trying to pair them with my best objects, I've already noticed some holes with Krieger. This is the heart of my critique. There are still many traits that don't have adequate compatibility with all the characters and that makes sense since the Archer content is new (it hasn't even been a year yet). Luckily, I managed to cobble together enough Archer characters and I have a slew of objects. But the limited compatibility makes it a challenge to get it ready, not to mention all the time for research, even as a monthly vip member. Thanks for the heads up on the traits they all share for now. I actually have mythic objects to use (except animal) 😅

[digital meteor]

Buy more cards

[river arrow]

Do you keep a digital note of all your decks? That's what I've done when I have to delete a deck to make space for another. It takes a little time, but it's worth it.

[teal falcon]

And that also. 😛

[teal falcon]

I did my homework and I can say this: beside Hyper (no Archer Character does) Archer doesn't combo with Educated, Artistic and Musical; Lana has no combo with Drunken, Addicted, Athletic, Artistic and Toy, Krieger makes no combination with Rich, Athletic, Artistic, Fighter and Toy; Pam does no combo with Educated, Addicted, Rich, Musical and Toy, and Ray Gillette doesn't combine with Addicted, Athletic, Artistic and Fighter. Three traits were found to combo with every character card I have: Armed, Disguised (both makes sense on a spy show) and Animal.

[spare orbit]

Pam and cocaine. I'm just saying.

[river arrow]

Actually, Krieger and Pam have Rich Combos. They must've been added recently, but there's still a LOT of incompatibility which you've illustrated well and why I am personally frustrated that they chose to do the Archer BGE now instead of later. I get they were trying to sell cards but they could've done that anyway without launching the Archer BGE and people would've bought them.

[kind goblet]

well there is no need to build a deck around like 5 traits. if you just pick say 2 traits and 3 characters you have most of and that make the best combos that's enough to build a synergized deck