🆚pvp-tactical-challenge

[stuck flint]

just get lucky

https://tenor.com/view/kolow-gif-22856605

[serene silo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897744969769549875/954433273273147512/okharuna.mp4

cope haruna isn’t pepega like this

[stuck flint]

man I just want arisu so I can cheese with s.hina arisu combo

only problem I have in pvp rn is cause many are shun users and I dont have arisu/shun

so my backline is haruna for baiting shun for a bit and s.hina to destroy enemy shun

[serene silo]

can relate

but s.hina should be able to help you

[raw crypt]

i actually tried shina aris at first but went to shina iori instead

kinda redundant since both of them easily deal with shun

[stuck flint]

yeah it pretty much made my win chance higher than before when I got s.hina

[stuck flint]

I used to just hover between 1k to 2k cause everyone else at that point have shun.

Now I can get to top 900-400 with s.hina alone as my carry

everyday

I just need a good rng to kill enemy shun

[serene silo]

s.hina and aris is basically for early match, primarily to kill shun

D1 shun is basically free food

[stuck flint]

I just want to remove shun from the equation. I have no problem with iori and s.mash users

[tired heron]

Pvp is weird withot boost

[stuck flint]

Yeah

[serene silo]

iori can be intimidating

[stuck flint]

next thing you knew at start of the match shun immediately casted EX skill and started mowing down your backline

[tired heron]

[serene silo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/896321022880538644/956574899063890010/rdu9iv.mp4

iori sneak moment

[tired heron]

This is why you target lowest hp enemies in video games

[stuck flint]

hibiki moment right there

[serene silo]

hibiki exists

[tired heron]

👍

[ancient umbra]

hibiki literally nuked shun out

[serene silo]

sometimes hibiki misses kekw

due to her accuracy base stat

[ancient umbra]

yeap kinda sad

[tired heron]

An explosion missing the shot

[ancient umbra]

ikr

sounds weird

[stuck flint]

they dodge physics itself.

[tired heron]

[stuck glen]

Not crazy 5 second annihilation but it just feel so perfectly coordinated

[hoary kite]

theres no way i just lost to a momoi

[stuck flint]

Burn. It hurts

[hoary kite]

she killed 2 of my tanks alone

bro this game

[stuck flint]

Twins do melt yellow tanks

The burn and poison hurts alot

[hoary kite]

both of my tanks are at half health, but she didn't use her ex skill and just melted my yuuka for some reason. When I saw my hibiki used her ex skill, momoi just DODGED it. Then the enemy team killed my tsubaki with their own hibiki

[stuck flint]

Hm it might be because ARs got respectable Accuracy stats and it just highrolled on hits. So yuuka just melted instead of dodging

Momoi is a middle striker which tends to have decent eva as well while hibiki has 100 accuracy

Hibiki misses alot actually.

Yeah 800+ eva momoi vs 100 accuracy hibiki

Thats gonna miss

[hoary kite]

no i mean my hibiki directly hit momoi

2 times

from her basic and ex skill

dodged

[bitter bison]

What is mashiro swimsuit skill priority for pvp?

[raw crypt]

EX, Enhanced, Sub, Basic

[bitter bison]

Thanks

[tired heron]

Well momoi is a red armored student

Tsubo dmg too low

Ok I just read what happened

Very Unlucky indeed

[real sandal]

when u don't have healer support

[hoary kite]

i had serina on

but ai didnt chose serina heal

[real sandal]

LOOOOL how you got rekt?

she have 2 heals right?

[hoary kite]

u mean the other team?

no, other team has the same special as mine

hibiki serina

[hoary kite]

the reason why it didnt chose serina heal is because it used my hoshino, then she died, and the ai used hibiki, it did nothing since she dodged it, but momoi on the other team got healed by serina

[real sandal]

very unlucky indeed then

did momoi skilled?

[hoary kite]

no

[real sandal]

did other team have midori?

[hoary kite]

yes

[hoary kite]

does she have to be alive to proc her passive

?

[real sandal]

nope

burn and poison will still apply even if they missed >.>

burn from momo, poison from mido

[lilac galleon]

whats ur current team comp?

[hoary kite]

haruna, tsubaki, hoshino, and s. hina

[real sandal]

he just unlucky, even i was baffled i lost to a team with twins.

mido EX right at start then followed by momo

rekt my shun right away due to poison

[lilac galleon]

it do be like that sometimes

pvp is rng afterall

[real sandal]

and killed my haruna asap due to poison + burn

[lilac galleon]

maybe u can tweak ur positioning a little bit

it does help

[real sandal]

my hoshino got too low hp to the point it could not tank smash EX

[hoary kite]

in order

s. hina, hoshino, haruna, and tsubaki

other team is

tsubaki, iori, midori, and momoi

[lilac galleon]

this is means rng just hates u at this point

positioning looks fine to me

hahahaha

[real sandal]

yup ahaha

[lilac galleon]

ur specials are hibiki and serina i assume?

[hoary kite]

yes

momoi did use her ex skill and wiped out my backline as they were about to collapse on momoi

[lilac galleon]

ye

dont mind it too much

somedays are good

some days are bad

isok

[hoary kite]

all good

i just felt like laughing

[stuck flint]

Momoi and midori dots hurt alot even if they are resisted.

[lilac galleon]

i mean worse one i ever gotten was a hibiki wiping half my team

then straight haruna-ed my ass

[stuck flint]

Can kill shun slowly if they dont have serina heal

[hoary kite]

i thought i was going to win when haruna killed tsubaki and iori, and s hina finished midori

[real sandal]

my shun can kill slowly except solo tsubo + heal

if its hoshino or any other tank she can kill slowly even if they have healer

[hoary kite]

i mean im fine with that since hibiki is strong

but momoi being alone and able to wipe and tank my team

[real sandal]

very possible with dots 🙂

or burn ahaha

[dull fable]

Maybe same lineup

[stuck flint]

Goodluck

[dull fable]

I wanna try that

But my ticket is 0 now

[serene silo]

wth i got 10 win defenses today, out of all time

rip extra 15 coins

[tepid gate]

How to have a 2-digit Rank in PvP

[stuck flint]

https://c.tenor.com/QRta9Ez1wQYAAAAM/kolow.gif

[tepid gate]

Damn

[real sandal]

and prepare to spend proxy for more try ahaha

[dull fable]

• pray for consecutive win
• wish for comfy bracket
• use pyrox

[lilac galleon]

pray rng is on ur side

but i squeezed every pyro i could get from pvp after reaching rank 1

so im happy as long as im in plat bracket

lel

[serene silo]

gayass pvp

wasted all 5 tickets just to see iori and haruna dont use EX at all

and imagine hibiki oneshot hoshino from ex

[cold zealot]

Wow, high invested hibiki ig

[serene silo]

nope

[cold zealot]

But

[serene silo]

sounds rigged to me

[cold zealot]

Oneshot hoshino

[serene silo]

just straight up doing 50k+ damage on a yellow tank

[cold zealot]

Hmm, lucky me i've never met hibiki who could oneshot my hoshino

[untold prawn]

I dont think that's supposed to happen ever.

[ripe parrot]

this is a 3* Haruka on my alt

[floral loom]

Been attacked 14 times

From 200 to 1000 again..

[ripe parrot]

lemme see your defense team

[cold zealot]

Maintaining plat

[ripe parrot]

👍

[floral loom]

Tsubaki, haruna, hoshino, shun / hibiki, serina in this order

My problem is not my defense, I have as much wins as lose

I just get focused

Lvl 71 soon 72 with the visible students being tsubaki 65, hibiki 71, serina 65

[ripe parrot]

on most D1 Tsubaki I faced, 9/10 they get hit by my Mashiro

perhaps try putting Hoshino on D1 instead?

also D4 Shun leaves her safe spot after the tower falls

not all the time but most of the time

[floral loom]

From what I get from my attack, tsubaki in a1 and hoshino a3, hoshino take smash hit

[ripe parrot]

yeah happens to me too

tho you could check your defense stats

see if Tsubaki made any damage

[real sandal]

at least you get those x15, better not being attacked, i'll rather in active bracket than being in top 2 digits.

[prisma mortar]

Pvp is just full BS with a retarded AI

It’s so fucking stupid that uses useless Taubaki and Hoshino Ex 2 times and refuses to use Iori/Haruna/Mashiro Ex

F you bot

Fun fact : my Taubaki gets one shot by every god damn enemy’s Haruna/Mashiro while being 5star with full gear and level

[stuck flint]

normal.

[prisma mortar]

Then enemy’s Tsubaki always evade

100%

The odds are stupid

[stuck flint]

tsubaki always dies 100% against a max s.mash thats 5 stars in urban

unless tsubaki evades

[prisma mortar]

My s.mashiro is 5star with maxed EX

[stuck flint]

you can also start malding in outdoors pvp where even a 3 star s.mash can kill your tsubaki

[stuck flint]

rng issue now then.

[prisma mortar]

But it can’t kill 4star Tsubaki

[stuck flint]

how about enhanced

you need enhanced

max enhanced

theres really nothing you can do if you dont have max enhanced

[prisma mortar]

Every is maxed

[stuck flint]

yup thats an rng issue I guess.

[prisma mortar]

Yet still it seems like enemy has 100% evasion always

[stuck flint]

cause enemy tsubaki can have a dmg reduction buff when reloading to survive even if being shot

[prisma mortar]

I lost all 5 tickets today

[stuck flint]

unlucky if your s.mash didnt crit during that time

[prisma mortar]

And in all 5 Tsubaki gets one shot and my dmg units get f..ed my Hibiki

Yesterday was all win

[stuck flint]

the world has decided against you

I lost all 5 yesterday as well

[prisma mortar]

I guess 🥲

They just should fix this retarded AI

It always uses tank EX

[stuck flint]

nah its part of the game. rng skills at start

you are just unlucky your first ex skills are tanks

anyways ciao

[prisma mortar]

That’s not even the problem

Yeah well

Thanks though

Nights

[raw crypt]

you're forgetting 2 things

1. tsubo reload dmg reduction
2. tsubo EX def up

also i think that chart also forgot to consider def?

65k is way too high

[serene silo]

tsubo's passive is also def, to include

[stuck flint]

there definitely is a problem with tha. I'll try calculating a max s.mash dmage later with different damage charts which varies depending if tsubaki has reload dmg reduction active or ex def buff active and stuff.

[green hazel]

Now i wonder how rank 1 pvp spend their pvp ticket if he stay at rank 1 wkwk

[stuck flint]

they just dont kekw

[green hazel]

Wkwk with great power come a waste of pvp ticket

[stuck flint]

@raw crypt @serene silo

I just took my time calculating how much damage a max s.mash will do against a max tsubaki

Those with deeper color is a guaranteed kill even if non-crit.

[raw crypt]

did you take the formulas from ijw document?

[stuck flint]

yes

Created a simple calculator for myself as well

[raw crypt]

should be right now then

[stuck flint]

Yeah it pains to look at those numbers

But a max 5 stars s.mash should do the trick most of the time in outdoors

pretty interesting how much survivability tsubaki has in her kit

Was expecting a lot more Highlighted dmg

[waxen parcel]

Is the calculated also based on tsubo 5*?

[stuck flint]

yes

[waxen parcel]

Or just mmmm?

Ok

[stuck flint]

thats a chart of 5* tsubo with t5 gears and max skills

[ancient umbra]

Damm do sure tsubaki is kinda op

[stuck flint]

yeah she needs to be one shot with the right conditions to kill her from 100 to 0

[ancient umbra]

Its kinda rare for that to happen tho

Not sure about s.azusa

She seems better in dealing dmg to tsubaki

[stuck flint]

Hm s.azusa nah I dont recommend her. even if she lowers tsubaki down, since majority of her dmg is in chill effect

tsubaki has time to use her basic skill to heal back to full hp

• ARs got generally less acc than snipers like s.mash

[ancient umbra]

U dont think s.azusa initial ex dmg is good?

Yea true

[stuck flint]

its good but she's AR

It looks big in the % department

[ancient umbra]

Got a few time tsuba dodge my s.azusa skill

[stuck flint]

but her atk stats is pretty much half of snipers

she's not ideal for oneshotting tsubaki from 100-0

[waxen parcel]

Seems like the biggest factor of non 1 shot at outdoors is by that reload skill lol

[stuck flint]

KEKW

yeah

that reload skill is pretty op

[waxen parcel]

Hard tho because smg so common reloading

[ancient umbra]

Whose crit rate higher

Smash shld have a higher one right

[stuck flint]

nah

s.azusa got higher crit rate

cause she uses gloves I think?

let me check

[waxen parcel]

Yeah gloves both azusa

[stuck flint]

yeah gloves

[ancient umbra]

Shes a crit buffed student then

But kinda sad that my s.mash not going up to 4 star anytime soon

[stuck flint]

she needs a lot of investment

especially for pvp addicts

[waxen parcel]

While we still speak about pvp

[stuck flint]

as long as you can lower tsubaki's health by 10% you should be able to one shot most of the time with s.mash

[waxen parcel]

Is it in pvp if i keep staring at screen other player cant atk me?

[stuck flint]

they can attack you still

[waxen parcel]

I ever get notification that i cant atk this player

[ancient umbra]

Bcuz theyre under attacked

[stuck flint]

oh thats probably cause they already moved up or down in rank while you were trying to attack them

[waxen parcel]

Ahhh

[ancient umbra]

Oh

[stuck flint]

or they are in a battle already

it happens often

I tried attacking someone then suddenly I get a message telling me the enemy already changed ranks

so I just had to refresh my pvp

[waxen parcel]

Is in JP smash also still must bring unit?

[stuck flint]

to find another enemy

[stuck flint]

yes.

[ancient umbra]

Dang

Lucky i own her

[waxen parcel]

Hmm

[ancient umbra]

Tho im not in jp server

[stuck flint]

btw. iori can replace s.mash in indoors pvp.

[waxen parcel]

Neither me but isnt tank gonna change to b.neru?

[ancient umbra]

I just realized one of the reason shes good against tsubaki is because of her eva down

[stuck flint]

nah b.neru is just a temporary meta

she just gets one shotted too easily even with her high eva and def stats.

just a single karin hit

or 2 iori hits

[waxen parcel]

But outdoors hibiki is dead right

[stuck flint]

yeah

pretty much gone

[waxen parcel]

Which is people gonna use karin

[raw crypt]

not really dead

[waxen parcel]

[raw crypt]

but less effective

than urban

[stuck flint]

hibiki becomes so feared in indoors

in urban you can still manage agaisnt hibiki

but indoors. kekw

just 1 hibiki ex skill and its gonna even reach your backline

easily

[waxen parcel]

[ancient umbra]

No wonder sometimes i see one tank 3 sniper team

[waxen parcel]

Need lots of eligma

[ancient umbra]

Yeap

Which many poor F2P players like us have a small amount only

[stuck flint]

Youll get like 1k eligmas in 4-5 months

or actually even 1.5k eligmas in 4-5months cause events exists too

[waxen parcel]

What about indoor meta?

[stuck flint]

then every other eligmas you can earn you need to get from gacha

[ancient umbra]

No matter what we gotta save it

[stuck flint]

hibiki territory

[waxen parcel]

The striker still same?

S.hina, tsubaki, shun like that?

[stuck flint]

indoors meta is very different

Literally there are multiple metas

[waxen parcel]

[stuck flint]

you'll either face against the cursed toxic team comp

AKA o.nodoka+haruka team comp

The immortal team

[ancient umbra]

We should be grateful that at least the meta is not fixed

Tf

[stuck flint]

Or you will face against an anti haruka team comp

Then there are people who use standard teams

hibiki, anyone else that isn't o.nodoka
+
iori hoshino/haruko/tsubaki, arisu or anybody else

[ancient umbra]

Wait when we are talking about meta right, is there meta defence team and offence team

[stuck flint]

none. Indoors pvp is the point everything becomes so flexible

[raw crypt]

nah there are ways, and its easier to avoid hibiki in indoors tbh

[ancient umbra]

Dang

[stuck flint]

how so

Just use 3 tanks?

[ancient umbra]

Not sure what is the terrain for us next season

[stuck flint]

[raw crypt]

for instance
a1 tank, a2-4 long range dps

[stuck flint]

outdoors

[stuck flint]

oh that

[raw crypt]

problem here is iori

[stuck flint]

too strong

just bring haruka

[raw crypt]

but even if you go 2 tank

backline still safe

unless it has d4 tank

or something

[ancient umbra]

Oh ya

Haruka is red armor

No wonder it can be used to counter iori

[stuck flint]

Haruka+o.nodoka combo hardly has any counter except og mashiro or azusa.

And even then they need to kill haruka as early as possible so that she will die.

Cause if haruka stacks

gg

[serene silo]

good calculation

a 5* level 71 tsubaki has above 60k hp

[ancient umbra]

She must be enjoying the continuous healing eff from o nodoka

[stuck flint]

I didn't include relationship stats so it might not be as accurate in real battle

tho even s.mash can get bonus stats anyways

so I guess its fine

[serene silo]

relationship stats dont give a significant boost

[stuck flint]

[serene silo]

my tsubaki has level 21 relationship but only has a couple of hundred hp boost

[ancient umbra]

For some reason

The rs boost always give more dmg boost to health boost

[stuck flint]

this is a lvl73 tsubaki 5 stars with t5 gears

relationship should bring that to 6k or 6.1k

or maybe just 6.05k

tsubaki's ue tho

[ancient umbra]

The lesser the better

I hate tsubaki user🤣

[stuck flint]

a lvl 73 5 stars UE 50 tsubaki has

almost 64k hp

damn monster

[ancient umbra]

Ikr

[serene silo]

UE looks like scam

[stuck flint]

Its fine she's farmable in the future
copium

[serene silo]

added with ayane's sub, tsubaki is more monstrous

ayane has max hp boost

[ancient umbra]

Is ayane farmable in the future

[serene silo]

as farm as i remember, she's now farmable in jp

at stage 18

[ancient umbra]

Thats good

I kinda like her as a healer

[serene silo]

here's 5 star tsubo stats

shes already at 61k hp if im at level 73

[stuck flint]

Can I see your relationship stats on her

Wanna check how much hp she got with my calculator if I added your relationship bonuses

nvrmnd found it

[serene silo]

wait im wrong

that's almost 2k hp boost from relationship 21

[stuck flint]

Got it

Yeah it fits

thats lvl 73 tssubaki

your tsubaki should reach 61.4k hp at lvl73

[serene silo]

good thing tsubo has atk bonus from her relationship rank

[stuck flint]

was checking if there might be something wrong with my formula

[serene silo]

she has 17 atk stat more than hoshino at the same level

[stuck flint]

useless

[serene silo]

well, shun would target her first instaed of hoshino

[stuck flint]

imagine momotalk 50 tsubaki

there is no way you'll aim for that right?

[serene silo]

nah no way

im not a tsubo simp

[stuck flint]

5 stars tsubaki

Pvp tsubaki simp

smh

[simple jetty]

Aru wiped half of my team

But Hibiki came in clutch

And Hoshino absolutely tanked Smash

[stuck flint]

I won once in out of 5 games

[ancient umbra]

Wait what

How is that possible

[stuck flint]

Pvp win is decided by which team has the most HP % left

Since my tsubaki in the end got 100% hp and the enemies has 99% I won the match

[ancient umbra]

Must be a long and funny fight

Since no one is killing each other

[stuck flint]

Im gonna refresh for a bit and look for a no mystic team

[ancient umbra]

U are such a troller🤣

But is the skill cost cycle fast tho

Since lesser student = slower cost regen

[stuck flint]

Okay won another game with my team

I'll upload the video

must lower res

[opaque tide]

Lol

[lapis beacon]

How tf does the enemy have tsubaki dealing the most damage

[simple jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-24728653

[simple jetty]

Tsubaki is attacking my Hoshino

[lapis beacon]

Oh

[ancient umbra]

Immortal wth🤣

[opal prawn]

i love shun :3

[knotty birch]

nice aim

[stuck flint]

Sumire is just practicing how shes gonna wreck my haruna if she was there.

[lone jay]

yep, but I hate her when she is on another side of my team.

[untold prawn]

U actually found 1? In this meta?

[stuck flint]

Two times

I also almost won against someone with haruna

[stuck flint]

A few people actually are using 3 tanks team comp

I just need to get lucky

Those 3 tanks team comp users use shun as backline or something else

So they can be bullied with my team

Just like the guy who I fought and won from

He uses the three tanks strategy which really relies on shun killing the backlines while the tanks will stall long enough for her to do that

They are actually easy pickings for this stall tsubaki+hanae+chinatsu comp I had.

[untold prawn]

All my bracket just uses smash and hibiki...

[stuck flint]

Just refresh long enough

You'll see someone without s.mash

I also have s.mash but man pvp is boring

So I might as well troll

[untold prawn]

Well cant blame them, I do the same, lol

[stuck flint]

You also do triple tank comp?

Well I would love to meet you

[untold prawn]

Ofc not, lol

I mean smash and hibiki I use in my defense

But it's just a standard meta comp

I dont have 3 tanks fully built

[stuck flint]

I wanna see someone attack my defense and lose

Its literally just tsubaki

Jm

[untold prawn]

W8... actually I do but yuuka isnt 5 star or lvl 70

[stuck flint]

Hmm

[untold prawn]

Shes 3 star tho

[stuck flint]

I hate this enemy

Literally using double azusas

Yes I killed their iori

Man if only my hanae heal was on time

I couldve destroyed that double azusa guy

[untold prawn]

You find the weirdest defenses to fight...

[stuck flint]

Well yeah rn Im at top 2k to 3k cause I demoted alot when I only used tsubaki as striker

Also I think s.azusa is pretty common for people who dont like using haruna and dont have s.mash

The azusa users on the other hand tends to just try to counter eimi/haruka tanks

[untold prawn]

But u have haruka, oh u took her out cause of shina?

[stuck flint]

Nah I still use haruka

If Im playing normally

Im actually gonna have fun rn

Im enjoying this immortal tsubaki gameplay

[untold prawn]

I'm surprised that team took out ur dps

Hibiki ex?

[stuck flint]

Hm what dps

[untold prawn]

Did u jump in there with just tsubaki...

[stuck flint]

Obviously what you are seeing

[untold prawn]

U really do have odd comps in ur bracket...

[stuck flint]

I told you I demoted cause I wanted to troll

I used to be top 400-1000 rank

Now Im in top 1500-3000

@untold prawn

Im having fun rn

[untold prawn]

No booli

[stuck flint]

Yes booli

[untold prawn]

[real sandal]

probably on that bracket

i almost never see x2 asuza

[stuck flint]

No its just cause Im hovering around 2k-3k rank rn

I also never see s.azusa at decent ranks

[real sandal]

how about thos ,70 to x60 for stamina?

[stuck flint]

What?

[real sandal]

the blue coins thingy that you use to buy stamina at shop

[stuck flint]

Hm I still get enough actually

Aight Im bored of this troll strat

Gonna use my usual team again

[green hazel]

Lol rng really hate me today 5 lose streak

[opal prawn]

E

[knotty birch]

graphs that almost look like shitposts

I'm still wondering what placement is best for this defense

besides swapping tanks ofc

[serene silo]

i'd use that formation

[orchid brook]

Hey

Is there anything else to say here except "spend money until you get Tsubaki, Haruna, Iori, Shun, Hibiki, Serina"? 😛

just wondering. I'm a filthy F2P and just hit a brick wall at ranks 2k-3k where everyone has that exact line-up.

[raw crypt]

the trick is to study the movement patterns

and formulate counters for them

there are some countermeasures out there but you cant expect people to wholly expose their weaknesses can you?

[orchid brook]

Hmmm... well, there is some RNG, you gotta hope the right attacker on your side goes for the right target...
But for the most part, what i see is... Hibiki goes first and crits some squishy light armors? It's over.
Haruna activates her ulti on Tsubaki? It's over.
I'm... not so sure what Iori's ulti even does cause i can't get her, but she gets her ulti and it just seems like it's over 😛
Guess you have to shuffle them around and hope that yeah, your blue attarcker goes for the Tsubaki on the other side... but as a F2P with no blue attackers.... 😛 you can imagine how impossible PVP is sometimes. Well i got Swimsuit Tsurugi now, and Swimsuit Asuza, at least.

[raw crypt]

you gotta hope the right attacker on your side goes for the right target...
nope. the only rng in pvp are

1. accuracy
2. crit (unreliable due to chars having high crit res)
3. EX skill order
4. stability (shouldnt matter too much for most people)

this isnt all encompassing but this could help you starting out
PvP Guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lbXudYH5w3dLdKWxDM4HODZPeuKDRJqOPiU5FkhjvwE/edit?usp=sharing

[orchid brook]

Hmmm, thanks! Yeah it's very frustrating when my Tsurugi goes for any other target than Tsubaki, cause she seems like the most reliable blue attacker i have right now. So if i figure out this trick at least, to make sure the right targets are chosen, that would be a great help!

[untold prawn]

But EX skill order does affect who getting targeted first depending on the unit. So in the end ur still fighting rng.

[raw crypt]

you can argue accuracy affects targetting because if you hit and kill someone you change targets

point is, given the same scenario, who you target wont change

for instance shun pull

shun pull only stops working if shun uses EX first

but

if she does use it first

her position is almost always fixed

and if she doesnt

its also fixed, just a different spot

[untold prawn]

What about times where she runs past everything to the very front to shoot?

Wait actually that's probably her ex

[raw crypt]

yes its based on her behavior to prefer to have a cover that is within a certain distance to and from the enemy with highest attack within range

its not random per se

its just uncommon

at least i rarely encounter it
since people actually want to avoid that so they make use of stuff so she wont do it

[untold prawn]

That link u posted b4 for the war council thing. Can u tell the starting positions with it?

[raw crypt]

sure you can
do it manually tho

combine it with the knowledge from the pvp guide and most stuff would be easy to simulate there

[untold prawn]

W8 y why'd u say "most"? Other than starting ex there really isnt anything to affect positions is there?

[raw crypt]

movement speed

most students have the same movement speed

but there are some like tsurugi and akane with higher mspeed

[untold prawn]

Oh ic

Is there like a youtube starter guide for this thing? Maybe at least something that provides a simulation example.

I guarantee you I will probably have no idea how to use it

[raw crypt]

sadly none
i mainly just made it for myself and some friends and just decided to bring it out

[untold prawn]

Oh

[raw crypt]

if you ever watch stuff featuring some generals

in tents

placing some blocks of their armies

its similar to that

[untold prawn]

Ah

But I'll need to input the student data somewhere I guess

But I dont see cover anywhere

[orchid brook]

Hmh, i really wonder if i should try going for Swimsuit Hina as long as it's still possible...

I've never seen her in PVP yet, though the document from earlier places her in REALLY high tiers.

[untold prawn]

Shes ok in the current season and gets better in the next one

And the current season ends next month I think

[karmic mason]

shina can already one shot shun at 3* ex 3

nearly self wipe in urban too

[raw crypt]

hmm?

[orchid brook]

o7 i see now why some people deserve a higher PVP rank XD

but it's nice to know it's not just about throwing money at the game & spinning a roulette wheel 🙂

[stuck flint]

even if you dont throw money you can still attain their ranks

[karmic mason]

it is mostly spinning a roulette wheel

you can't comeback from a serina + tsubo ex start

[stuck flint]

You just need to strategize to maximize your chances

[orchid brook]

...well technically, the gacha rates are very bad and if you didn't have luck to get the meta characters, you're simply not making it in PVP, so... money spending might be the "winning tactic" 😛
I Didn't have Tsubaki for until just recently, trust me i KNOW what i'm talking about XD No meta snipers either, so Aru is working her ass off for me.... XD

[stuck flint]

[orchid brook]

Oh and i didn't have the mortar girl either XD

But the game is fun and i mined up some gems.. so i got a few useful units now... 🙂

[karmic mason]

if you're smart with your pyro it's not too hard getting char on banner

[stuck flint]

Everything is attainable

Haruna is easy to farm

just spend 2 months farming her.

and by that time you might've also sparked on a banner target

[stuck glen]

2,5% rate is very acceptable

[orchid brook]

Yeah i just got until where i can farm Haruna's eleph a month ago or so.

[stuck flint]

There are also some units that can work for pvp and they only need a few conditions to work with, counter picking etc.

[stuck glen]

Also i can reach rank 100 ish with juri troll comp so...

[stuck flint]

some units look niche but they work very well if used properly

like junko

[raw crypt]

junko isnt exactly niche

it was known since jp era that junko is strong in pvp especially

[stuck flint]

I said looked niche

Shes very strong

[raw crypt]

imagine being unkillable for half a minute

[stuck flint]

but apparently for global atm I havent seen people using her

[raw crypt]

while dealing damage yourself

i've seen 2 or 3 junkos

and i avoid them like the plague

actually maybe i can tackle them now with shina

[stuck flint]

Yeah so theres that warjammer. Lots of alternatives for pvp

its not just 3 stars meta

a lot of 2 stars work very well and they are all farmable

[stuck flint]

then you get your enemy having a junko start

[karmic mason]

junko should die before she get to trigger her normal if she's hit by shina

[raw crypt]

surely im not dumb enough to let that junko opening kill me

[karmic mason]

junko start isn't that strong tbh

[stuck flint]

yeah you do have that app

[orchid brook]

Wut? Junko seems really fun with that skill, but you also gotta be pretty endgame to get that skill high enough 🙂

[karmic mason]

yeah sure you might lose 1 but it's not a party wipe

[raw crypt]

losing 1 is already a big loss

for an opening

but yea

[raw crypt]

no one is saying otherwise

[karmic mason]

assuming you didn't open with your own party wipe

[raw crypt]

being shunless already makes it hard but not impossible

😔

[karmic mason]

wait till outdoor, being shunless will be your grave

[raw crypt]

yea, its also the reason top rankers change formation every day

[karmic mason]

shina will be able to one shot yellow unit too

[stuck flint]

yeah

Im just waiting for outdoors

[raw crypt]

hah

watch me

outdoors will be my playground

especially since i wont face the entire whale bracket by then

only a fraction

[karmic mason]

hmm true

still, shun into shina is guaranteed win

[raw crypt]

as i said

[orchid brook]

Hey, i've started playing and my first quasi-viable PVP team was literally... umm. Haruka, Shiroko, Aru & Nonomi 😛
Stayed that way for too long too. First "meta" character (for PVP) i got was.... Karin, i think....

[raw crypt]

plan for stuff

[stuck flint]

shiroko isnt a pvp unit.

[karmic mason]

no tank team

[stuck flint]

you need to swap her with another unit

just bring a 2nd tank

[orchid brook]

I know, right? XD Well i have swapped Shiroko by now... i got lucky and got Tsubaki later on.

[stuck flint]

tsubaki actually

yeah jsut bring tsubaki

[raw crypt]

i just need to get karin up and running and ill be in the clear for outdoors

tempted to run hare too

[stuck flint]

Good thing my specialists are actually pretty much fine for outdoors

Only thing Im really lacking is shun

[karmic mason]

eimi will love your karin

[stuck flint]

for my pvp team

Still need to build my karin tho

since I just recently got her

[karmic mason]

ye same here, lacking shun to run a competitive PvP team

[raw crypt]

eh

im doing fine without shun

can get away with it

[stuck flint]

All I got is s.hina tsubaki haruka as my main strikers. No arisu to bait shuns.
Then I have karin and s.mash as specialist.

[karmic mason]

with shina in play I can't get away with it

[untold prawn]

Ya I clicked on the wrong link

[orchid brook]

No Shun, no Iori, no Haruna, no Swimsuit Mashiro.... snipers hate me 😛

[stuck flint]

I got yuzu tho, but I need to invest a lot on her to make her have higher atk stats than my 5 stars s.hina

just to bait shuns

So cant use yuzu as well

unless

I decided to invest on her

[raw crypt]

but really its not that hard to counter shina

[karmic mason]

joke on you, I have none of the one you quoted

still ranking 500-1K

[stuck flint]

I dont have iori as well

[raw crypt]

ranking 50-500 here

[orchid brook]

WHAATT!? Teach me, Master! XD

[stuck flint]

I hover between 400-1.5k

[raw crypt]

i mostly dropped in rank because

i was baiting people with d1 shina

to flex

[stuck flint]

kekw

[raw crypt]

got myself a lot of def wins

[orchid brook]

Haha it's fine, i read that document and i might have a chance to rise in ranks a little now XD

[karmic mason]

lmao

[raw crypt]

i went back to a normal team now

should stabilize again

had to flex my 5mmm 20/20 lv73 shina

[karmic mason]

double roulette

[raw crypt]

on first week

[stuck flint]

ah yes the nonomi

I use her too as well

when I still dont have s.hina

I just need to RNG my way to rank 1k

then claim my pvp dailies

[karmic mason]

exactly

[raw crypt]

[karmic mason]

countering shina with aris

[raw crypt]

theres someone who attacked me twice with practically the same results too

[stuck flint]

now that I got 514M s.hina I dont need to use nonomi that much anymore. All I need to trouble with is removing enemy shun.

[untold prawn]

So it really is when u click the claim button that determines the reward?

[stuck flint]

yes

[raw crypt]

yes

[stuck flint]

You just climb to your desired rank

then claim it

you dont need to hold top 10 or top 100 or top 1k for a day to get the reward for those ranks.

[raw crypt]

[stuck flint]

climb up to 1k. Claim. Derank back to 1.5k-2k.
next day repeat.

Pvp in a nutshell for me

as a shunless person

[stuck flint]

just 1k or 2k rewards are decent enough

[stuck flint]

I really want arisu.

I want to get arisu so I can build her for peroro

[karmic mason]

how's your shina not getting picked by shun before she get to fire

[stuck flint]

and for future indoors pvp

[stuck flint]

arisu.

[karmic mason]

don't have arisu

[stuck flint]

his iori probably also maxed so iori can bait for a few hits.

[raw crypt]

well to compare

[orchid brook]

I think impossible-to-attain ranks like 1-10 should be getting... like... 1000 pyroxenes per claim

[raw crypt]

iori has 4.8k atk

shina has 4.7k atk

and aris has 6k atk

[stuck flint]

???

[karmic mason]

ye that's my issue, shina highest atk in my team

need to fix that

[stuck flint]

my haruna got higher atk stats but man. maybe I should upgrade her hp skill

a crit from shun removes 90% of her hp immediately

[raw crypt]

maxed haruna can survive an iori ex

and thats telling a lot

[orchid brook]

Yeah you heard me right. I mean this is pretty much THE endgame. Gotta reward those players who bought all the meta girls and all the rank-ups somehow. The top PVP rewards SHOULD be better.

[karmic mason]

you could catch people off guard if you max her hp

[karmic mason]

nah it's all about raid

[stuck flint]

bruh you were literally complaining that pvp is pay to win but now you are advocating to make the game even more pay to win in pvp.

[karmic mason]

gotta get those ex clear

[untold prawn]

eh, top pvp rewards arent that great unfortunately

[orchid brook]

hmh, true.... :\

[raw crypt]

oh wait, iori is at near 5k atk not 4.8k lmao

[stuck flint]

the pvp rewards are decent already 18 pyros just from top 1k and can even reach 25 pyros a day. lots of pyro sources as well

[karmic mason]

I like getting more coin per day, mean I get more stamina too

[stuck flint]

top 10 got more pyros rewards per day

coins are good too

I use them as stamina bank

for events

[karmic mason]

holy that's a maxed out shina no wonder

[stuck flint]

Also being high in rank guarantees people attack you more so if you win 5 defenses you got 15 coins free

[raw crypt]

i did say that

[karmic mason]

ye forgot you're a hina lover

[orchid brook]

5mm 20/20 XD yep, i didn't get it lol

[karmic mason]

welp I need to figure out how to unbrick myself

[orchid brook]

Well i'd rate Hina 20/20 too XD

[stuck flint]

I also have 5 star s.hina

not same investment as midokuni tho

[karmic mason]

need bloody shun to target someone else than my shina

[stuck flint]

midokuni is pretty much a certified hina simp

[raw crypt]

id say enhanced has the lowest priority

[stuck flint]

[raw crypt]

regardless of content

[stuck flint]

yeah the crit rate

sucks.

But I dont find much use in her basic

Or maybe I should upgrade it as well

Hm

[raw crypt]

its still free damage

[untold prawn]

Those other pyro sources are limited. It's better than nothing I guess but most ppl are just doing it for the stamina.

[raw crypt]

and longer stun

is valuable in pvp

[stuck flint]

I'll get lvl 4 it in the future then but atm I need to invest on mutsuki first for upcoming hiero after srkr raid next week

or lvl 7

[raw crypt]

my goal is to 5mmm og hina by hiero

too bad probably wont make it

fuck manuscripts

[stuck flint]

voynich and codex

pain

even mandrakes are pain

[orchid brook]

Anyway everyone... o7 bow thanks for the advice, great respect, figuring this PVP out seemed really hard to me, but i hope i can learn more about it now. See ya all, make sure to treat the angels well!

[stuck flint]

Good luck to you

[serene silo]

i have seen few s.hina in my bracket lately

[untold prawn]

How often do u even find use for her ex tho?

[serene silo]

none of them are enough to kill my backline

[raw crypt]

same as anyone else that isnt a tank

just so we're clear

i have worse results on attack post-shina than pre-shina

but my defs have been a lot better

[untold prawn]

That cost tho...

W8 does her cost go down?

[raw crypt]

wait

[stuck flint]

its mostly used in non-raids. Very strong EX skill for challenges as she can wipe out waves of enemies and even deal a huge dmg on boss.

[raw crypt]

you mean og hina

i thought you mean shina

[stuck flint]

kekw

[untold prawn]

[raw crypt]

i wont use her ex

[untold prawn]

But ur still gonna 5mmm?

[raw crypt]

uhh yes?

[untold prawn]

You dont have anyone else u could use the ex resources on?

[raw crypt]

i already do comfy high rank EX clears

no need to

i can simp in peace

[untold prawn]

I still have alot of prep work to do...

[raw crypt]

[untold prawn]

Cant do ex yet, but fortunately its na so getting plat hard. Main problem is my lvls. And even then I'll need specific units to be lvl 70

[karmic mason]

when there's a meta, there's a counter meta too

[mystic scaffold]

Hmm can Iori kill Eimi with ex skill no crit ?

[ripe parrot]

Aris at the safest spot

[round sphinx]

She can't iirc

[tired heron]

Resist dmg yknow

[mystic scaffold]

I see red shotgun defenders can really survive Iori unlike smg

[lilac galleon]

they really wanna kill me

but rng is on my side

[raw crypt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/896321022880538644/958599695968636928/Funny_Formation.mp4

funny coincidences

[summer oasis]

Whitescreen

[tired heron]

Flashbang

[stuck glen]

Malding shina ex moment

[stuck flint]

The heck. They dont even have any bait other backline unit to bait shun ex skill. Not even haruna arisu or s.tsurugi

Isnt that free kill for shun

[analog topaz]

Are they still working on that fix for matching in tactical challenge? Because this reloading the game nearly every match and not getting into a match is super frustrating

[young river]

Yes, it is still being resolved

[summer oasis]

Aight I'm gud

@ripe parrot found you on the way too

[stuck flint]

4 star momoi scary

[stuck flint]

Well

Idk why only 2 in the Frontline

mustve been believing in the power of azusa

Yes

[modern pewter]

Anyone knows how to fix this on pvp?

[stuck flint]

Same like me, idk why

[waxen parcel]

My smash 1 shot tsubaki

86k crit

Soooooo satisfying

[stuck flint]

crit? LETS GO

[waxen parcel]

Yeah crit

Holyy

I mean you can see from ss, its very quick match

3* btw

I cant imagine if smash 5* crit

[stuck flint]

should be around 120k

if crit

against a max tsubo

[waxen parcel]

I want to 5* her but im so confused between hibiki, shun, smash, shina

[feral dock]

[tired heron]

Pvp today erm 7/15

[ripe parrot]

did you hit rank 1?

[tired heron]

I already hit 1

[stuck flint]

https://c.tenor.com/UniGtspR-BcAAAAM/damage-thats-a-lot-of-damage.gif

[shy rampart]

So questionable

[teal dew]

Since the new pvp season in coming in a few more weeks, does anyone know that if we will receive the placement reward again in the new season? (The pyroxene reward for every position you climb)

[stuck flint]

Yes you will

But not the first time rewards

The only one you will get pyros from are the season highest rewards

[teal dew]

Ah icic so for instance the highest position this season for me is 200th and for the next season any placement before 200th won’t net me the first time reward?

[stuck flint]

Yeah

Just seasonal rewards only

[teal dew]

Ok thx

[ripe parrot]

here it is, Tsurugi in pvp

[tired heron]

[stuck flint]

you havent met a shun yet to actually see her do wonder

also your iori probably gonna out atk stats her anyways if your iori got more stars

HMMMMM

[ripe parrot]

I didn't record it but Shun actually targeted her first

before Iori

[stuck flint]

you are basically using a backline tank and 2 front tanks

3 tanks

[ripe parrot]

hella nice

this the match where Shun targeted Tsurugi first

Iori ended up going apeshit cause she's free

[stuck flint]

good to know its working out for ya

as for me I cant use her in pvp as my s.hina out atk stats her if tsurugi is 3 stars

FML I'm regretting 5 stars s.hina cause of it

[ripe parrot]

im probably not gonna use Hina until next season comes, she's really not killing anyone XD

[stuck flint]

I should maybe use twins again

[ripe parrot]

well besides Shun, but Shun isn't the only problem

[stuck flint]

yeah iori is a pain

or if you somehow meet a s.mash user with haruna on top

double mystic tsubaki killers

KEKW

[ripe parrot]

I met a few

[stuck flint]

I am one of them

[stuck flint]

I think I know my pvp team now that will go well with s.tsurugi

[ripe parrot]

share info

[stuck flint]

no

actually Ill post it here anyways if it went well

so whatever

[ripe parrot]

test it now

refresh your pvp

[stuck flint]

cant yet

my 2 important units for that team still underlevelled

[ripe parrot]

just say the names, I might have them leveled up

[stuck flint]

junko and s.tsurugi

[ripe parrot]

Junko

[stuck flint]

lmao see your junko is underlevelled

[ripe parrot]

she's one of the last students I'll level up

[stuck flint]

smh not building junko

My junko is built

2121

Full build

SEE?

[ripe parrot]

1111

[stuck flint]

gehenna

[serene silo]

boom

[waxen parcel]

3 minute pvp

[stuck flint]

is this an eimi thing

[waxen parcel]

Eimi + tsubaki vs tsubaki with serina

But my eimi dead so tsubaki vs tsubaki with serina

Smash being smash i guess

I like eimi so much

That free dps, and heal is just wow