🆚pvp-tactical-challenge

[raw crypt]

well my strikers are still the same

so its this

do note if you want to reach rank 1

you gotta change your positioning

depending on opponent

[glossy temple]

if you don't have alice, just farm haruna

she's free

[raw crypt]

everything is gonna change once summer 2 hits anyway

saving up my gems to UE3* shina

😌

[glossy temple]

funny story, i changed my positions and almost guessed the enemy teams position

enemy hibiki screwed me over

[ripe parrot]

oh boy its gonna be a race to rank 1 again

[glossy temple]

[raw crypt]

nah

we have like a month

[ripe parrot]

it do be like that

[raw crypt]

enough time for shina to assert dominance in urban

[glossy temple]

no wonder people hate pvp a lot in this game

[untold prawn]

Is there a cap on resets for pvp?

[glossy temple]

stress is fun

[ripe parrot]

it took less than a week for smashiro to assert dominance in pvp

[raw crypt]

no

[ripe parrot]

I dont think there is

[raw crypt]

well yes, the cap is how much pyros you have

[untold prawn]

[ripe parrot]

well you're not wrong....

[glossy temple]

daily pyroxenes is probably not worth the hassle in pvp but the coins are

[raw crypt]

also here

a friend in the same bracket

[glossy temple]

value is strong

[raw crypt]

doing setup tests

with each other

[ripe parrot]

lucky you have a friend

[glossy temple]

@raw crypt can i ask off topic from pvp, before hitting lvl 70 how much pyro do you spend on energy daily

[raw crypt]

30*3

[glossy temple]

recommended to do or no?

[raw crypt]

i spent on average 6 refills daily during cherino event

heavily recommended

[glossy temple]

alright, since 2x commissions is here, i'll start doing that

[raw crypt]

if you're a light spender you can afford to do 4-6x depending on your mood

its still worth

[untold prawn]

Do u refill during 2x?

[raw crypt]

yes

[untold prawn]

How much?

[raw crypt]

in terms of worth to refill
its normal quests x2 > commissions x2 >> hard quests x2

[raw crypt]

im doing 3-6x this week

3-6x on normal x2

0x on hard x2

[untold prawn]

[raw crypt]

and then probably 6-9x on summer2 event

[ripe parrot]

I use up my pvp coins for ap refill for events like summer

[untold prawn]

You at least got a budget? cause this seems like alot of pyro

[raw crypt]

yes

im throwing my money at shina

[ripe parrot]

keep in mind, he's a "light" spender 👍

[raw crypt]

it is light when i only buy special packs and monthly bounties

[untold prawn]

Which packs?

[ripe parrot]

ah yes I can see the light looking at the price

[raw crypt]

eden pack

[ripe parrot]

as bright as aris's railgun

[untold prawn]

Hmm, I'll have to check on the eden one. So far only spent on monthly

[ripe parrot]

you got no problem refreshing AP if you buy monthly then

[untold prawn]

I would like to roll for summer units tho

[raw crypt]

the gems you get from monthly is pretty much enough to offset x3 refill daily

[mystic scaffold]

How good is having S.mash and hibiki in pvp

[green hazel]

Good no more serina first waste skill

[stuck flint]

If you have s.mash and hibiki for pvp you are basically set with a strong pair of specialists for
Urban and indoors

As for outdoors you can just replace hibiki with something else

Maybe a healer instead if you dont have karin

[mystic scaffold]

[green hazel]

The battle will end faster too

[mystic scaffold]

I might use no healer strat now I guess

[simple jetty]

thats a risky tactic

but if you got good rng go for it I guess

[raw crypt]

uhh

the no healer strat works assuming you have enough damage

[mystic scaffold]

[raw crypt]

to force stalls to not happen

aka

you need strong dps

[mystic scaffold]

Damn I really need iori hahaha

[raw crypt]

and since no heal, you need your tank(s) to last

so you need strong tanks too

these 2 are prerequisites of using no healer

[mystic scaffold]

I have strong tanks but
5 star hoshi can't even last long

[simple jetty]

is she build properly?

like skills

and gear

[mystic scaffold]

Yes

[simple jetty]

T5?

[mystic scaffold]

4,6,7,7 xD

[raw crypt]

[mystic scaffold]

Yes fully t5

[simple jetty]

dang

[raw crypt]

id max her EX once i get spare credits

😔

[mystic scaffold]

And relation is 20 xD

[simple jetty]

So far mine is
3/5/M/3

[green hazel]

Mine 5777 555

[simple jetty]

can withstand alot of damage, but dies to Iori

so I avoid Iori most of the time

[mystic scaffold]

The only thing that pisses me of is iori whahaha

[raw crypt]

pmuch

[simple jetty]

bring nonomi

She can easily kill Iori

[raw crypt]

ah yes

nonomiss

[raw crypt]

anyone can

[simple jetty]

true

Actually use Twins

[mystic scaffold]

Yeah if your lucky enough tho

[green hazel]

Iori is easy to die, at least u really want she skill first

[simple jetty]

they're better I think

[mystic scaffold]

Luck is always not on my side xD

[simple jetty]

Our*

you know ur done, when the first 3 EX include Shun and Healer

[mystic scaffold]

Every time I fought someone on pvp ALMOST EVERY TIME like 80% of my battles with iori she is the one who's skill will be used in battle

[raw crypt]

?

shun ex

is great tho?

[mystic scaffold]

Yes

Shun ex is very great

[green hazel]

When u happy haruna skill first then tsubaki enwmy use taunt TT

[simple jetty]

yes, her EX is good

the only problem is most PvP fight tends to be a first to shot situations

[mystic scaffold]

And if you're unlucky enough

[simple jetty]

for example enemy uses Iori skill first and proceeds to wipe half of your team

Shun EX is good, cause she can be on a spot that's hard to hit and deal good amount of damage

[mystic scaffold]

To say someone said iori can defeat yuuka is that posible ?

Possible*

[simple jetty]

It should be

Unless she uses her shield

[mystic scaffold]

Dang

Iori is really op

[simple jetty]

I think EX 5 Iori can deal about 1500% damage

idk ask Donut

[stuck flint]

Twins are actually great on outdoors. Just bring momoi and she can kill iori in one ex skill cause of mood even without the bonus dmg from midori

That happy mood aint joke

Kuyashi

[mystic scaffold]

It's really hard to farm millenium skills for me whahahah

[stuck flint]

Millenium, trinity, gehenna moment

[green hazel]

Build shun is easy

Wkwkw

[raw crypt]

literally the only ones iori cant kill are red tanks

and even those would be on the verge of death

[mystic scaffold]

Gehena is very easy to me at the moment I guess whahhaa

[stuck flint]

I want a lil shun spook so I can get her as substitute azusa

Plus!!! Lil shun is easy to upgrade cause not trinity

Budget azusa

[mystic scaffold]

Welp yuuka can be killed by iori without a shield

[stuck flint]

Even with shield

[simple jetty]

wait even with shield?

[mystic scaffold]

SEE EVEN WITH A DAMN SHIELD

[stuck flint]

Yuuka's shield scaling is bad.

Its very low

[mystic scaffold]

Iori very op

[stuck flint]

Also her healing stat isnt that good as well. Just one ex skill hit can kill yuuka

Yuuka too reliant on eva for tankiness and iori got accuracy buff skill

[mystic scaffold]

Welp to say even hibiki kan 1shot yuuka '-'

[green hazel]

Hmm probably no

[stuck flint]

Nah hibiki cant one shot yuuka

[mystic scaffold]

Happend to me

[stuck flint]

Also hibiki has 100 accuracy

Hitting yuuka at that accuracy is just a miracle

[green hazel]

Full health or half?

[mystic scaffold]

Even my hibiki is 3 star I didn't expect my hibiki one hitted yuuka

[stuck flint]

Hibiki got high crit dmg scaling after all

[mystic scaffold]

Can't really remember but probably 75%

[stuck flint]

Just a single crit proc in her ex skill

The crit dmg of her is insane

[mystic scaffold]

Yeah that one hits my enemy yuuka

Should I change my 5star izuna to 4 star haruna

[simple jetty]

yes

why didn't u use that at the beginning

Izuna is squishy

well same with Haruna

[mystic scaffold]

Welp Izuna is Nin Nin xD

[simple jetty]

Izuna can deal high damage which is understandable

[stuck flint]

Dont use izuna to kill tsubaki in pvp. Izuna got very low accuracy so her nin nin bombs rarely hit.

[mystic scaffold]

But to say she's kind of usefull to me

Yeah

[simple jetty]

Izuna is like a glass cannon

[mystic scaffold]

That's my problem from her

[simple jetty]

She can kill Tsubaki pretty easy, but she's squishy + Front

[mystic scaffold]

Her downside is really the accuracy

[simple jetty]

low acc + High Damage

[mystic scaffold]

Yeah that's what I love from her

[simple jetty]

Haruna kinda almost suffer the same fate as Izuna, but she can hit more often

[mystic scaffold]

She even dodges but not that much xd

[simple jetty]

except Tsubaki is a eva tank

[stuck flint]

If you want to invest on a niche unit, junko can be pretty niche.

Actually pretty strong too

[simple jetty]

used to use her, but don't wanna waste Gehenna mats

[stuck flint]

Junko at UE 2 stars can have 1400 eva

Shes basically untargettable

[mystic scaffold]

Yeah I didn't really invest on junko after I got the twins

[simple jetty]

UE

💀

[stuck flint]

And her ex skill just hits hard

[mystic scaffold]

But I got her 3 star

[stuck flint]

💀

[simple jetty]

Everytime someone mentions UE I just sit in the corner knowing I would run out of fragments

[stuck flint]

Junko is farmable tho

[simple jetty]

tru

[raw crypt]

just roll for on-banner dupes

[simple jetty]

less pain

[mystic scaffold]

Man it's really hard fighting in 300-1 xD

[stuck flint]

Its not that bad. Just upgrading a 3 star unit to UE 2 stars is just 1500 eligmas. You can definitely afford that
🤡

[simple jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-death-funny-cute-awesome-gif-20320653

me with 500 fragments

[mystic scaffold]

Only problem is if you don't have eligmas xd

[stuck flint]

https://c.tenor.com/xH4GK4hNO18AAAAM/dead-cat-cpr.gif

[simple jetty]

also I only roll at limiteds or useful banners

[stuck flint]

You earn like 200 eligmas every month from raids alone so its fine

[simple jetty]

👍

[stuck flint]

By the time we reach 1 year anniversary

We are swimming

[mystic scaffold]

[stuck flint]

👍

[simple jetty]

now just wait for Joint Exercise to be on Global so I can get those annoying mats that wont drop after I hit 19/20

[mystic scaffold]

Sooo the pvp is about to change soo how the rewards will be given in ranks ?

[simple jetty]

Don't remember about PvP rewards, cause I barely do PvP on JP

[mystic scaffold]

[floral loom]

There is all time reward and seasonal reward

So seasonal get reset

Climb ranks again to get pyro, beat your all time record for the all time reward

[mystic scaffold]

Can a haruna 4star one shot a 5 star tsubaki ?

[stuck flint]

Yes but only in urban

If its outdoors even 5 star haruna cant one shot 5 star tsubaki

[boreal current]

wat's next pvp terrain?

[stuck flint]

Field/outdoors

After outdoors is indoors terrain

[boreal current]

nicee

idk why i said nice.. but nice

[stuck flint]

By this I mean if non crit

Non crit dmg ex from a 4 star haruna can kill 5 star tsubaki in urban
But a non crit ex dmg from 5 star haruna cant one shot a 5 stars tsubaki in outdoors

This is why tsubaki becomes almost unkillable if you dont have s.mash in outdoors pvp

If you only have haruna as tsubaki killer then not only do you need to pray to hit tsubaki, you also need to pray that the hit is a critical damage

[mystic scaffold]

[raw crypt]

just saying iori kills tsubo too

[stuck flint]

No iori

[mystic scaffold]

[boreal current]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/819690918394462210.gif?v=1

[tired heron]

2/3 win

[cloud scarab]

Finaly top 500 !

[gritty solstice]

That persistent chinese guy

[tired heron]

Too bad you can only get 15 coin from def win

[summer oasis]

The hell

[cloud scarab]

Hein its limited at 15 per day ?

[stuck flint]

15 coins per day from defense

[boreal current]

why there's limit

there should be a limit 3 times attacked each day too

i mean 5

[ripe parrot]

we could be swimming with coins by now but no

they had to put a limit in defense

[stuck flint]

Iori armageddon

Build your Eimi while you can

Haruka better there

Haruka hoshino

[ripe parrot]

Haruka + Eimi

turns out terrain also affects the student's defense

damn I just learned about this just now

[frail phoenix]

is that for shield? or cover effectiveness?

[ripe parrot]

I think this is for their own defense and not the cover

lets ask the experts

cause I aint one

[magic lantern]

i think its cover

heard yt someone mentioned the better the terrain is the more chance they block damage

[serene silo]

they do

[ripe parrot]

so which one is it really

[round sphinx]

Affects block rate in cover.
So students who don't use cover aren't affected (aside from their dps)

[stuck flint]

Thats only for cover users

Theres also a block chance table that gives more indepth to the block chance

[ripe parrot]

I dont understand how a student can take less dmg to one terrain compared to the other if both terrains have covers

game logic?

[stuck flint]

Hm what?

[stray spruce]

oh i check the chart

if its better mood it like absorbs more dmg or smth

[stuck flint]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ui0FRgG8h8RB1-cA639F3ETDrVM7q9FKftg4vBKBAAQ/edit?usp=drivesdk

Go down for a bit

Youll see the chart for the block rate

Also the dmg they receive dont change

They just are able to block more dmg

The blocking mechanic is useless for tanks like tsubaki tho

Its mostly only good for fronts that use covers, like yuuka, neru, izuna

And somewhat also good for backliners in pvp as if they got good terrain compatibility, they can block shun's shot once.

[teal dew]

does anyone happen to know what is the terrain for upcoming new PVP season?

[stray spruce]

whats stability

[ripe parrot]

field

[teal dew]

thanks 🙂

[ripe parrot]

its outdoors

👍

[ripe parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[stuck flint]

Stability the variation of your dmg from the original that should be outputted

So if you originally would get like 10k dmg it can be 8k or 9k by random

The higher stability a unit has the more likely they will hit closer to their intended dmg dealt

Its just another rng factor

[ripe parrot]

how did they get all these numbers

[stuck flint]

Testing and using benchmarks

Lots and lots of testings

Until they can fit an equation

[ripe parrot]

that dedication damn

[stuck flint]

Only equations there that are ambiguous are izumi's and junko's subskill

Those 2 subskills

Are an enigma

Cause their freaking subskill ingame description for izumi's and junko's subskill doesnt fit the additional dmg it actually gives

So they had to try to experiment alot

[ripe parrot]

whats their subskills again?

lemme check rq

ah the HP missing

yeah that is confusing

but what I do understand is the lower Junko's HP is, the harder she hits

while the higher Izumi's HP is, the harder she hits

[stuck flint]

Yeah thats easy to understand. But as I said their additional dmg doesnt fit the description

It looks more like 0.7% of izumi's current hp is added as dmg and 4% of izumi's atk is added as dmg.
It becomes like
additional dmg = (0.7% of current hp+4% of current attack)

Well thats the dmg equation they could come up with for the subskill of izumi based on their numerous testings

So her subskill is actually much better than what it looks like

[waxen parcel]

Dude

Im at verge of confusion

I have 2.2k eligma but who should i 5* it

[stuck flint]

Depends on raids

Who do you have anyways

Or maybe you like pvp alot

Tsubaki can be 5*

[waxen parcel]

Raids?

[stuck flint]

Yeah tsubaki and s.mash are good 5*

[waxen parcel]

I thought tsubaki fine 3*?

[stuck flint]

Depends on you but that means you will be easily one shot by a 3 star s.mash and above

[waxen parcel]

Lemme screenshot 1st

[stuck flint]

Hp matters for pvp

[waxen parcel]

Yeah but smash is always i think 30-40k ish?

[stuck flint]

This this

Max tsubaki is 5* 70k hp

To survive 3 and 4 star s.mash you need a 5 star tsubaki

[waxen parcel]

That is crit too right?

[stuck flint]

Nah

Thats non crit dmg

[waxen parcel]

All max?

[stuck flint]

If s.mash crits then your tsubaki is 100% dead

Yeah

[waxen parcel]

Ok because i dont think they ever do 60k shot

[stuck flint]

Thats the dmg of ex 5 and lvl 10 enhanced s.mash

At different stars and terrains

[waxen parcel]

So only indoor she can 100% survive

[ripe parrot]

my current Smash can do that much damage

[stuck flint]

I still need to ex5 my s.mash

[waxen parcel]

My smash is 4/4/4/4

[stuck flint]

Once I ex 5 s.mash I can one shot 3 star tsubaki

[ripe parrot]

im broke as hell spending everything on her

[stuck flint]

Prioritize her ex skill and enhanced for more dmg in pvp

[ripe parrot]

EX then passive then enhanced for me 👍

[stuck flint]

S.mash already got like 30% eva reduction on target . Should be enough so my focus is ex>enhanced>sub>basic

To reach s.mash's one shot potential faster

[ripe parrot]

not just smash, its everyone's accuracy that's affected by her passive

imagine Haruna not missing as much as before

[waxen parcel]

You need to see my skill too?

[ripe parrot]

sure

[waxen parcel]

That what i use for pvp mainly

I can max haruna ex and her 5* need 12 eleph left

Shun also can 5/10/8/10

[ripe parrot]

no need to EX5 Shun

[waxen parcel]

I have 2.2k eligma so i can straight 5* 2 student

[ripe parrot]

you never built Haruka?

Eimi is very nice too since she can heal herself

5* eimi would be nice

[waxen parcel]

Who?

Haruka?

[ripe parrot]

who?

yeah Haruka

this girl

[waxen parcel]

Oh

Dude gehenna is too much

Still benched

[ripe parrot]

go for Eimi, she's nice

[waxen parcel]

Eimi 5*?

[ripe parrot]

not just for pvp for everything else in general

yeah

[waxen parcel]

[ripe parrot]

what

[waxen parcel]

I mean i kinda still not feeling her to 5*

Like tank over dps?

Also should i be cheap too by 4* it instead?

[crystal sequoia]

Also, better terrain mood increases chance to hit an enemy behind cover.

[ripe parrot]

your dps is dead if your tank is dead, whats there to think about

[magic lantern]

eimi is kinda ehh

[simple jetty]

tbh do people here build Eimi

[stuck flint]

Pretty Ehh but she will be farmable in the future

[simple jetty]

distant future

[stuck flint]

Very distant future

https://c.tenor.com/F18Q0DzeOfgAAAAM/bones-skeleton.gif

[serene silo]

someone in BA community built her

her normal can be good if targeted at right formation

and not aiming at tsubaki

[ripe parrot]

did he regret it?

[serene silo]

Nope

Also red armor + heals self without healer unit

[ripe parrot]

I have her as a 4 stars on my alt, she pretty good fr

[waxen parcel]

[stuck flint]

Shun

[round sphinx]

Someone mentioned eimi

As someone who enjoys eimi, I still use hoshine more on offense

Unless i know the opponent is using yellow centric team

[real sandal]

is it just me, or you don't get 100% rewards for successful defend?

[raw crypt]

max of 15 tokens per day from defend

[real sandal]

ahh no wonder.

thanks, my low level around rank 300 too good bait ahahaha

[mystic scaffold]

Maybe you're just too lucky

Having Iori even kind of low level can decimate a whole team of lvl 70

[mystic scaffold]

To say id rather 5 star mash

And Iori

Damn why am I telling you this I can't let you go Rank below 300 - 1 xD

Im already in pain I just need to get the pyroxy's xD I can't stand long in rank 69

[real sandal]

i don't have iori, its just luck + placing of my hoshino to null the smash to her instead of tsubo

but most worked due to hibiki lvl 5 EX and lvl 10 base + decked up shun where she can kill tanks overtime even 5* tsubo.

thoo i always loose if unlucky taunt + heal
i don't want tsubo taunting at start, i want the damage sock spread both to my tsubo and hoshino. heal well waste of energy.

or my shun or hibiki skills very late to the point opponent nonomi/iori/ha is alive for pro long specially iori.

i'm hovering around 100 to 500 now most people battle me due to my low level which is lvl 68 and most level around 1 to 1000 in my bracket is already 70 full/max

[crystal sequoia]

@tall walrus don't mind me, just experimenting with Hina. Enjoy the extra coins

[mystic scaffold]

Ohh I guess we're the same im always hovering around 400 to 60 until now that I just got to lvl 70 hahaha

[mystic scaffold]

I see so probably your squad is tsub, hoshi, shun and probably haruna

[real sandal]

aslong i get those 60 to 70 coins + x15 a day i'll be fine.

yup classic squad.
no iori or smash cause I don't have them

[mystic scaffold]

Yeah to say I only wanted to go more down because of the pyro hahaha I really need it now

That sucks

But heh as long as you have haruna. smash is totally not that much needed

[real sandal]

ohh i did encountered decked out smash that can 1 shot crt hit my tsubo

around rank 200+

[mystic scaffold]

Yeah that can always happen hahaha

[untold prawn]

If u hit 5 stars that doesn't happen as often. That's ofc assuming skills are properly lvled

[tall walrus]

Fosho

Shina soon though

[waxen parcel]

I kinda hardstuck at 100 now

[mystic scaffold]

That's good to say you're not in asia server for sure

Since seeing your lvl and tsub and others students cannot be in rank 100 for too long hahahah

[waxen parcel]

Yeah for sure not asia

For sure not asia

[mystic scaffold]

Wow xD but ehh you'll not last long '-'

Your name is kindoff familiar

[mystic scaffold]

Can you send the top one on your bracket

[mystic scaffold]

Ohh I guess not same bracket I see now

T^T

Damn whales

[waxen parcel]

Well

[mystic scaffold]

All I really need is an Iori xD

[waxen parcel]

That bracket gonna be pain to rank 1

[mystic scaffold]

Yeah litterally

300 to 1 was really pain in the ass

[waxen parcel]

What your team?

In here below 200 is the one that getting tense

[mystic scaffold]

Not that much meta since I use Izuna as blue damage

[waxen parcel]

Oh not haruna

[mystic scaffold]

And mostly meta

I can use haruna xD

I just want to show off my Izuna hahaha

To say she do a great job

But maybe If I have Iori she might be my blue damage xD

@waxen parcel Soo just like I say go full 5* Iori

She's the best overall unit

[waxen parcel]

I mean she is freebie at ch14

I prefer my eligma to non farmable unit

[mystic scaffold]

You can farm it when weapons come out

[waxen parcel]

Do we gonna get tsubaki stage?

[mystic scaffold]

Hmmm idk yet I didn't really play jp that much

All I know Iori is a must unit xD

[real sandal]

almost there also lvl 69

nice

[stuck flint]

Do we as a community know how brackets get decided? I now noob bracket puts new players in. That's about it

[simple jetty]

Brackets are randomized afaik

except beginners bracket

which are full of bots

[stuck flint]

Bruh

[stuck flint]

We get a little lucky

[bronze quest]

Wut happened ? Just 24s... 🤣

[ripe parrot]

Haruna crit

[mystic scaffold]

I've seen faster

[untold prawn]

I think my fastest was 15 seconds

[fair latch]

This is my fastest. I don't remember how long it was, but it was fast enough to make my opponent didn't have a single hit at all

[simple jetty]

yo wth

[fair latch]

it was haruna's ex hit tsubaki while nonomi and haruna behind her and made a line

[untold prawn]

[bronze quest]

Yeah you guys have Shun ?

[mystic scaffold]

Thats probably like 10 sec or below

The only fastest I've done is 13

Even the one who decimated me just did that

BUT DAMN ALL 0

Thats too unlucky to that lvl 70 guy hahahhaa

Or maybe just 11 or 12 sec I don't remember how fast they walk all I know is once the battle start the time already runs

[atomic oriole]

is that all rng cause damn

[young river]

Game crashed so I couldn’t see the fight but

[untold prawn]

Wheres your tsubaki?

[young river]

Not in the team

[untold prawn]

hmm, actually its probably better not to put her in there.

for that specific team anyways

[ripe parrot]

Hasumi in pvp? what????

[waxen parcel]

Hasumi has very high damage

And guaranteed 1st hit crit after ex iirc

And i know graplo is hasumi enjoyer

[ripe parrot]

record it @young river 👍

I think he has a max EX Hasumi

[mystic scaffold]

Nice A kind of unique squad

[frail phoenix]

Especially with Haruka there

[waxen parcel]

[ripe parrot]

Haruka is a great tank

[waxen parcel]

Yeah but need investment

[simple jetty]

and O.Nodoka

or Hanae

[young river]

1st hit after reloading

Also, I don’t use hasumi in pvp much, this was just a test

[ripe parrot]

im using Hanae+Mashiro in pvp lately and its working great so far XD

[tired heron]

Clutch

[ripe parrot]

bruh that Shun went full rambo

[stuck flint]

MVP shun

[untold prawn]

Does ex 5 for shun do anything other than increase crit rate?

And is it significant?

[stuck flint]

Nope

Ex 4 shun with t5 gears already got 60% crit chance

Ex 5 shun will only multiply her FLAT crit rate by an additional 8%, making her final crit chance to be around 62%.

Its just a 2% crit chance addition

Not worth at all

Actually not even her ex4 is worth

Ex3 is already a good investment on her

All her other skills can be maxed tho

[untold prawn]

Guess I'll leave her ex as is. Already broke

[raw crypt]

idk if you mean crit or crit chance since idk shun stats but remember that

crit_chance = (crit - crit_res) / (666 + crit - crit_res)

[stuck flint]

Yes

Im talking about final crit chance

[raw crypt]

ok good

[stuck flint]

At ex 4 t5 gears shun is 60% crit chance at ex activation

Ex 5 only increases it by 2% from 60% to 62%

Also the reason why crit rate buffs are inferior to crit dmg buffs

Since just from watch alone we got enough crit rate already

[mystic scaffold]

It's very great at attacking But in deffending I guess not for me

I used to do that in defence

But this time in attacking she help me so much

I finally reached rank 15

Because of them

[mystic scaffold]

Very lucky hahaha mine probably stayed there fighting tsubo and getting killed by doggo

[young river]

Can't wait for it to be decimated by meta team

[stuck flint]

is this a first ex skill arisu?

That enemy yuzu dealt no damage at all the heck is that

[young river]

Cherino EX was first, wiping yuzu before she could attack

yuzu was probably preparing to shoot

[stuck flint]

their hibiki tho

[atomic oriole]

the opponents team got carried by someone who wasnt even on the battle field

😭

[simple jetty]

Didnt expect my under leveled team to be at 544

[opal prawn]

Ooo Hina I'm so sorry

[raw crypt]

you'll be sorry in a week

[mystic scaffold]

I miss those day's I still use hina in pvp

What's the next season meta ?

[magic lantern]

karin/smash

[stuck flint]

I hope you guys are ready having your 5 stars tsubaki being one shot by a non crit dmg 3 stars s.mash ex5 skill hit.

[boreal current]

it's time to use haruka ig

[stuck flint]

kek

haruka brr

I might try doing a hanae+haruka+serina combo

Immortal haruka can work too I guess

[boreal current]

I build her for kaiten, might as well use her in pvp next season

[stuck flint]

But I have s.mash already

[serene silo]

adios

[knotty birch]

what's your record on pvp duration

I think mine's 19s

(I got wiped)

[boreal current]

lose record.. i think it's 15secs

[knotty birch]

rip

[boreal current]

haruna and iori destroy everything

[knotty birch]

I just live with the pain these days

and when I do win

[magic lantern]

whats a good defense spot for shun

[knotty birch]

attacking or defending

ah

[magic lantern]

defending

[knotty birch]

my bad

I think spot 4?

some use her on 1

but I feel like she's more vulnerable there

on 4 she will take the furthest cover most likely and just use EX and hit everyone from across the map

[magic lantern]

alr ty

[knotty birch]

except another attacking shun on like pos 1 attack

they just never hit each other unless some black magic happens

that's for the city stage

it will vary with field/indoors

ouch

I just got nonomiss to not miss the enemy iori

but then their shun took them out

oh well

at least I got the rank 200 I wanted

[mystic scaffold]

Yoo if this guy got higher or stay on rank 10 I'll copy his team xD

[raw crypt]

fun fact

those people change teams regularly

if they maintain top 10

[mystic scaffold]

He havent yet I guess

He stole my rank

[knotty birch]

that's actually very smart

[mystic scaffold]

But to say I guess they change but usually same tanks or damagers

Since I haven't seen anyone changing their hoshi

[rigid sluice]

Are there any red strikers that are generically considered "good" for PvP outside of Shun?

[mystic scaffold]

Hmm haruka as a tank defender aru , doggo (hibiki)

They're the only red meta at the moment pvp

[ripe parrot]

for now there's only Haruka besides Shun for strikers

[serene silo]

nah they dont

matched half of them before, they still use the same formation

[mystic scaffold]

But I haven't seen aru in rank 50 - 1 tho

Yeah they don't usually change teams

[ripe parrot]

in 7 days we getting Hina

thats when the pain begins

[mystic scaffold]

Like I've seen hoshi in my bracket like a month already

I mean 1 to 10 ranks same hoshi tanks

That's why I think karin is good

Hmm I wish I can 5* S.Hina

[ripe parrot]

after months of not using Karin in pvp, I can finally bring her back

[mystic scaffold]

I really want to see how my team does in defence

[stuck flint]

I wonder how outdoors changes the hibiki meta

If it does

[magic lantern]

hibiki is no more for outdoor

[stuck flint]

the outdoors map is very wide, the effectiveness of hibiki went down.

backline units wouldnt get it

since backline units wont get hit, units with great mood like karin and s.mash are much preffered

at least these two can kill the tanks

unlike hibiki who wouldnt be able to hit backline and also couldn't kill tanks.

[stuck flint]

Interesting. I do have smash. Ironically my tank heavy party would be more useful in outdoor, but is somewhat hampered by the fact that sumire and s.tsurugi have bad mood in outdoor. Here's my setup.

[ripe parrot]

pretty cool team

[stuck flint]

hm dont you have haruka or hoshino?

Honestly I had no idea what I was doing at first. I added the four meta units I had and filled the rest with my fetishes (sportswear, ponytails, midriffs)

Somehow it worked.

sumire and tsubaki being in the same team would mean two out of 3 of your tanks can be killed by haruna or s.mash

[stuck flint]

I do have haruka. Isn't she a red tank tho? I also have Eimi. I do not have hoshino.

yes use haruka or eimi

replace sumire with haruka or eimi

[stuck flint]

They don't proc that often, and neither can oneshot them as they have T4 bags.

[stuck flint]

t4 bags wont save you from s.mash and a karin with good mood

even karin can kill your tsubaki if she crits

[stuck flint]

Aight. I'll slap a T4 bag on Eimi when I can.

same with your sumire being deleted by karin if crit

[tired heron]

[stuck flint]

Sure. They don't target tsubaki first though

And by the time they would proc another ex, my own specials will likely have procd theirs.

[tired heron]

Sounds like luck

[stuck flint]

Very replicable luck then

thats the rng factor. changing your sumire with haruka can mean that you can take in a karin or s.mash shot from the enemies

But if you got any tips on my party I'll take it.

even if they roll their specialist first

[stuck flint]

Sure. But they get deleted by hibiki pretty quickly. Or shun.

[tired heron]

Haruka op when same investment as others

[stuck flint]

Teams using Eimi or Haruka always seem like easy picking for me.

haruka will never be deleted by hibiki. cause hibiki isn't really a tank slayer. her Ex skill will only be hitting haruka once instead of the manual aiming we can do in which we can hit 3 explosions

as for shun, thats where tsubaki shines

taunt shun with tsubaki or hoshino will take shun's hits for a bit and even stun shun

You need at least 2 layers of different armor types

just to counter the other.

[tired heron]

[stuck flint]

Allright, I'll keep it in mind

[tired heron]

Use Shun thats legendary tip

[stuck flint]

We'll see if I get S. hina as well

[stuck flint]

Don't have Shun

[tired heron]

Sadge then

[stuck flint]

At this point not using her is kinda a point of pride

[tired heron]

[stuck flint]

So. Haruka or Eimi?

[tired heron]

Just use the one with higher investment

[stuck flint]

Seems like Eimi would be more valuable with the self heal... Unless I should replace Hibiki with a healer for outdoor

[stuck flint]

Well I mean my Haruka is 2* and I would need 64 eleph to match her mystic with Eimi

[tired heron]

Whats their skills? All 1?

[stuck flint]

Eimi has some 2s

[tired heron]

Hm use eimi pvp season gonna end anyway and haruka not rlly good next season

You dont rlly need to upgrade them they'll both melt to S.hina next season

[stuck flint]

So I thought. I'm fine for this season, it's next season strats I wonder about

[tired heron]

I will use midori next season to counter S.hina (bcuz i dont have enough to pull her)

[ripe parrot]

yes I totally agree

lets reach rank 1 again without Shun

[tender blaze]

What makes s hina good at pvp?

Is it because her low cost ex and wide range?

[raw crypt]

yes

[summer oasis]

Pls someone use s.hifumi in PvP

[tender blaze]

Should I replace Haruna with S Hina?

[tender blaze]

90% instant lost waiting for gauge

[summer oasis]

I need someone to troll

I don't have her so I can't

[tender blaze]

Summer shun when?

[summer oasis]

Next summer is Abydos

[tender blaze]

How do u know?

[summer oasis]

[tender blaze]

[floral loom]

Trailer during anniversary stream

[stuck flint]

Ironically a solid counter for my tank based strat.

[stuck flint]

Mizugi gang is finally real

[cold zealot]

What a day

[magic lantern]

damn wth

even tsubaki did 0 damage

[mortal wren]

This just broken

But i don't have iori

Still can beat her

[cold zealot]

Yeah, iori got the first turn thanks to RNG god 😅

[cold zealot]

Yeah, my lucky day 😂

[cold zealot]

Nonomi can replace her

[mortal wren]

I wanna see nonomi swimsuit

[mortal wren]

Yeah but just 2 hit

[mortal wren]

I use meta mystic

[mortal wren]

2 meta mystic damage dealer

[cold zealot]

Let me guess, haruna and s.azusa ?

[mortal wren]

No

[mortal wren]

Haruna and Aris

[cold zealot]

Ah, i see, to counter shun huh ?

[mortal wren]

Not really

I used Aris to defeat the enemies near the tsubaki

[mortal wren]

Its rare to see sumire in pvp

[cold zealot]

But she also can kill enemy's shun in straight line

[cold zealot]

I always lose when i encounter sumire 😅

[mystic scaffold]

[stuck flint]

Nobody expects the buffquisition

[mortal wren]

hmmmm

i should try it

[stuck flint]

She works, with investment. Not a tier A but solid enough.

Also just because a specific team loses to a specific unit doesn't necessarily make said unit good for PvP. As an example I always lose to swimsuit hifumi.

[waxen parcel]

These 2 people trying to make problem with me

[cold zealot]

I think we're on the same bracket

[waxen parcel]

What your rank and leaderboard?

[cold zealot]

Hmm, wait

[waxen parcel]

Yeah its same then

[cold zealot]

I saw you and then i feel familiar with your name

[waxen parcel]

Yeah im pretty famous of cute

[cold zealot]

Yeah, aru is pretty cute

[waxen parcel]

[serene silo]

'aru best girl' but uses azusa swimsuit pfp

[stuck flint]

Same person attacked me twice

[atomic oriole]

[stuck flint]

I often get people attacking me repeatedly because I'm the lowest leveled person around my rank lol

It grants me a lot of coins, since my units are pretty well built despite being level 51. Swimsuit Mashiro's ex is maxed, for one, all my bags and hats are at least T4

[crystal sequoia]

The most i've had is 14 times

[mystic scaffold]

Man I hate this bracket already xD

I really need to use haruna now

[sterile ivy]

UWOOOOOUGH

[regal hornet]

UWOOGHH they always use that kind of support

[untold prawn]

Who needs heals against a dead opponent right?

[stuck flint]

Don't really have many other 3 stars should I change anyone out?

My three stars minus Pina

[regal hornet]

try maki or yuuka

[stuck flint]

Instead of?

And this is defense btw

[regal hornet]

izuna

i mean hoshino

[stuck flint]

And is my positioning alright

Nah hoshino is based

[regal hornet]

then izuna

[stuck flint]

Ok

[regal hornet]

just to make sure your front can cover the back cause you know sr gonna focus on them

[stuck flint]

3 tank seems alright with my supports just wasn't sure if yukka could handle it and was waiting for ||natsu or neru bunny||

[ripe parrot]

put Nonomi in the 1st or 4th slot, she's in danger in 2nd or 3rd

[stuck flint]

Ok ty

Like this

[ripe parrot]

yeah like that

[tame cargo]

how do you guys win against shun users? on pvp?

it's really really hard to win against them

[raw crypt]

aris

[knotty birch]

Not having shun already makes it harder

[stuck flint]

just have aris

[stuck flint]

Iori gives me most trouble

[waxen parcel]

With iori 5/7/7/7 does hitting tsubaki still has a decent amount of miss?

No smash in this scenario

[stuck flint]

700 / (1416 - (874 * 1.224) + 700)

= 0.66907277982535

66.907% chance to hit

Pretty decent hit chance

[waxen parcel]

Defuq is that calc

Also should i use her instead of haruna then?

[stuck flint]

Hit chance formula

[waxen parcel]

[stuck flint]

Just use both if you got no s.mash

[waxen parcel]

Then who tank enemy smash

I have smash but 5/4/4/4

[stuck flint]

Hm use s.mash then

[waxen parcel]

T1 equipment too

[stuck flint]

Iori s.mash combo

[stuck flint]

[waxen parcel]

Who needs equipment

Smash, hibiki with iori, haruna, tsubaki and shun?

[stuck flint]

You already got s.mash

Just bring s.mash iori hibiki tsubaki hoshino/haruka shun

[waxen parcel]

I use eimi, is that fine?

[stuck flint]

Should be

Atm eimi is actually better than haruka

[waxen parcel]

Alright then ty

[stuck flint]

But haruka has a chance of decimating backline

[waxen parcel]

Why?

[stuck flint]

Easy

[waxen parcel]

I havent build her so idk

[stuck flint]

1000% dmg multiplier ex at lvl 3 ex

[waxen parcel]

[stuck flint]

Sometimes I get a good roll and haruka just kills iori shun backline of enemies

Eimi still better tho atm for a much longer survivability tank

In the future when we get o.nodoka haruka is op

[waxen parcel]

Hmm but isnt haruka more tanky?

[stuck flint]

Yeah but she got no self sustain

[waxen parcel]

Or better survive at pvp?

[stuck flint]

Which tanks like tsubaki hoshino and eimi has

Self healing

[waxen parcel]

[stuck flint]

Haruka needs a good healer to actually start tanking

And o.nodoka does it best

[waxen parcel]

So until o.nodoka out then pvp still gonna like this?

[stuck flint]

Mostly

Yes

[waxen parcel]

Alright ty then

[ripe parrot]

Hanae+Haruka is the way

[glossy temple]

how well does midori and momoi do as piercing units in PVP

I legit just wanna wreck the shun users

[floral loom]

Momoi was good to down haruna and iori immediately

Midori deal good damage to tanks, can damage both hoshino and tsubaki at the same time

But with twins + shun the biggest threat is hibiki. And hibiki is everywhere

[young river]

almost an entire day has gone without me being attacked

Maybe they fear the 5* hasumi

[boreal current]

happened to me once not long ago, 24 hours without being attacked

then the day after, I got attacked 5 times everyday now I always going down to rank 1500+

[young river]

I was able to win the attack that happened 21 hours ago, at least

[young river]

Yeah, that's what usually happens to me

though that was before I changed my formation

before it was this

[boreal current]

seeing a 5* feels intimidating ngl

look at the ID, how did they do that

[young river]

I have no idea

[raw crypt]

unicode characters

[true crescent]

God has been found

[ripe parrot]

look at Haruka gooo

[regal hornet]

haruka pog

lend me your friend draze :3

[ripe parrot]

only in raids :3

[regal hornet]

GIMME :3

[rare tartan]

As a newbie, this is the best i could do Day 26th of playing

[boreal current]

that bracket seems so peaceful

I wanna be there

[rare tartan]

Asia server

[mellow dagger]

💀 hibiki smashiro carry

[real sandal]

crap i forgot to pvp

[real sandal]

your bracket in asia seems peaceful / ez

mine is already maxed lvl 70s from 1 to 1500

[stuck flint]

Yeah and enemy hibikis in his bracket only 3 star hibiki and 3 star s.mash

[real sandal]

yeah me at 800+ i'm already seeing 5* smash and hibikis in one team

ever since i got lvl 70 i rarely get attacked now sad. first time i get attacked few x2 now...

[waxen parcel]

I have a weird question

1. why my hibiki with lvl 70 4/6/6/6 is like always lose in terms of dps with enemy hibiki?

2. i know smash great but does it matter tho in defending?

[real sandal]

hmm does your hibki gets the first dibs skill?

[knotty birch]

if they have snipers/mg hibiki wont be able to hit the backline properly

smash is always good cause tsubaki is THE tank

so if they have no tank well

[real sandal]

like right at the start of the match where 2 tanks + haruna is close she

[knotty birch]

the rest just falls apart

[real sandal]

my hibiki is 5/9/4/7 (lack of credits to lvl 10 her base)

I assume her enhanced skill is for her and sub skill only affects allies.

since everyone have already t5 equipped I went for her EX and base.

if my hibiki hits she hits very hard even on tsubo IF it hits, she mostly 1 shot with basic skills on iori, haruna, shun

[knotty birch]

sub skill is the one you should look for

for general use, but for pvp the second is ok

I personally don't think the basic skill is that good

usually it will hit the tanks

[real sandal]

ohh its good for me specially if my hoshino grazed the DPS

[waxen parcel]

Idk man

[real sandal]

my hibiki will attack the grazed DPS instead

[waxen parcel]

Beside sometimes enemy hibiki also can target my dps

While my hibiki majority time to tank

So weird

[real sandal]

you need somewhat damage their dps even by small hp

it helps

[waxen parcel]

I mean like this for example

I know i use eimi but still

The gap is so huge

[real sandal]

ahh cause eimi

eimi help healing while their hibiki kept damaging. unlike tsubo where hibiki usually missed.

[raw crypt]

if you mean the DPS Chart, it only shows "HP you managed to reduce"
meaning if target has 10 HP left and you deal 10000000 damage, chart only adds 10

Additionally, there are other factors such as the target's def, and how many targets hibiki hits

[real sandal]

Eimi = light
hibiki damage = explosive

[raw crypt]

Yes. Having smash itself is already a great deterrent from being attacked and even if you get attacked the enemy will need to plan around not dying to your smash

[real sandal]

Eimi kept healing while being hit by hibiki ofc their hibiki will get higher damage score.

[waxen parcel]

I mean even though i have same hibiki as opponent still like their hibiki is stronger

For some reason

Like same 3* but better AI

[raw crypt]

uhh

positioning

ctrl+F "centroid" here and youll see an explanation

[real sandal]

still i think its his eimi the main factor

that contributes

[raw crypt]

it doesnt seem like he's talking about dps chart if i understood correctly?

he appears to be talkinga bout in-battle skill issues™️

[real sandal]

he was talking about why enemy hibiki damage more.

[raw crypt]

well then its defo due to armor

[real sandal]

points at his eimi who is a "tank/heal/sustain" skills ad light armor

ofc enemy hibiki will try to keep pounding that beeeg booobaaa

[waxen parcel]

I already said i know i use eimi

But still the dps is way too big

Dude im lvl 70

[real sandal]

try not using eimi 🙂

[waxen parcel]

[real sandal]

you'll see their hibiki will contribute less to damage.

[waxen parcel]

I use eimi to resist smash thats all

I take hibiki no problem

[real sandal]

ohh i use hoshino to resis smash >.>

[waxen parcel]

Yeah my hoshino is lvl 1

[real sandal]

yeah hoshino only shines when she is fully geared >.>

and EX 3 at least

if only we could mock pvp

[tender blaze]

Do you know if we will be in same bracket after pvp reset?

[real sandal]

like trying to pvp people in your "club" or friendlist

[real sandal]

i hope not cause my bracket is hardcore >.>

[waxen parcel]

Nobody know, but thing for sure is if you new to pvp you will get lobby with bot

[real sandal]

even at 1500+ you'll see 5* and everyone is lvl 70 ahaha