🗼final-restriction-release

[cosmic parrot]

so its prolly a <f109 comfy strat

[sage fractal]

I mean, you drop AoE healer and Takane solo heal

But that doesn't sound very viable

[cosmic parrot]

hell no

thats as worse as running kok solo heal on set

missiles not firing

[queen drift]

lmfao get fucked

[quiet jewel]

kinda whack

do we know why that happens

[cosmic parrot]

sending aoba to right on wave 4

aka destroying right core on wave 4

makes it not activate on 5

[grim agate]

more like a 7-shielder to account for mreisa on the field

[sage fractal]

A 6 shielder that only targets Strikers

[tall willow]

can this team with ue50 dsaori borrow + either shanako or smika clear f99?

[queen drift]

should clear just with a max dsaori borrow if u have chare as well

shanako is hard and you wouldnt manage iwht 3* tyuuka

[quiet jewel]

ue60 hikari ssg

[tall willow]

i have her but 4* only

[queen drift]

tahts plenty

shoshi is fine too tho and prob simpler

[tall willow]

i thought you meant dsaori / shoshino / chare in the last 3 slots

who is 6?

[sage fractal]

Honestly? Blank

Aoba doesn't need shielding, the rotation is simplified with Yuuka Track shielding the other 3

[queen drift]

reread what i said

chare or shoshi

smika dsaori

[tall willow]

oh okay so smika

could only find ue50 dsaori borrow in EU in the friends thread tho

[sage fractal]

More than enough

You're not doing Saori Dress solo

[tall willow]

im not sure about the rotation without shanako, how do i clear the minions in the last 2 rounds (3 cores) with just dsaori as AoE?

[sage fractal]

You cycle back to her

Simple as that

You got Rio, it's not that difficult with Rio

[tall willow]

tried that previously on f74 and didnt manage so i used shanako, will watch some video

[sage fractal]

You won't be able to keep Hanako Swimsuit alive

[tall willow]

yeah she died on f74 too

[sage fractal]

Even a Blue armor 40k HP student is difficult to keep alive

Oh Hanako Swimsuit just dies in the first wave probably lmao on F99 if you don't know what you're doing

[tall willow]

my clear on f74 was with kisaki + rio on dsaori first, and then snagisa + kisaki on smika, does that still work on f99?

[sage fractal]

I dunno what's the minimum buffs needed for Saori Dress to clear labourers

Because I did Saori Dress solo DPS

Also, which core you target and when you target matters

[queen drift]

you dont in the very last round

otherwise its dsaori - > c.dsaori - > cycle -> dsaori

[sage fractal]

Ah yea Wave 5 you don't bother, you just do mechanics and trigger groggy

[tall willow]

i couldnt trigger groggy on f74 alr

was close tho

[queen drift]

thats bc u messed up the shielding too much

[sage fractal]

That just means you completely failed at the mechanics

Likely not shielded to reflect the missiles on Waves 2-4

You need those to trigger groggy

[tall willow]

oh i only shielded hikari, shanako and smika

[sage fractal]

Are you doing all the mechanics?

Detonating sticky bomb on a core, redirecting microwave to a core, reflecting missiles, killing all labourers

[tall willow]

i dont think so, i was following the guide by causew and only used the main ideas like killing the minions, using aoba to redirect an attack, etc

[sage fractal]

...those are all the mechanics

You just need all of them to be executed correctly

[tall willow]

i didnt know about reflecting missiles

[sage fractal]

There is no way that's not in the causew guide

[tall willow]

it will be there, but i didnt read that part

hence my confusion just now

[sage fractal]

Should read the full guide and fully understand the mechanics instead of cherry picking, you aren't doing F49

[tall willow]

i thought this was all

[sage fractal]

Yea, shielding your team as the wave begins

Unless your shields are so bad that Tiph's AA shreds them before the missiles hit

[tall willow]

im using tyuuka, 3 star, ex lvl = 4

[sage fractal]

.....

[tall willow]

whats theminimum she needs?

[uncut lodge]

4* can work on 99f, with some malding

[sage fractal]

I don't know, I've had UE30 for ages

[uncut lodge]

you'd better get her to at least ue30 if you wanna go any further

[sage fractal]

You know, with this kinda Yuuka Track, maybe Saori Dress solo DPS is the better way to go...

[tall willow]

what's the team for that?

[sage fractal]

I would just run Saori Dress, Hoshino Swimsuit, Hikari, Aoba, Yuuka Track

[tall willow]

and same specials?

[sage fractal]

There's not really much you can change on the Specials for this raid

Options are hella limited

[tall willow]

ako/snagisa

and i dont have oshigure so i use mreisa

[sage fractal]

You're not running a full team so cost debt no longer exists, and Tiph has almost no CDmg Res, and Saori Dress isn't guaranteed crit

It's quite literally Crit buffs + Basic heals vs Bag Def stat transfer for your case

I am leaning towards Ako for this

[tall willow]

yeah with saori alone i was also gonna use ako because no guaranteed crit

[sage fractal]

You can still add Meeka Swimsuit if you want, but you gotta learn how to pick who gets shields

And/or shield more often

And get Yuuka Track to EX5 ffs

[tall willow]

can i replace hanako by mreisa here?

[sage fractal]

The rotation is different

[tall willow]

so there exists a rotation that works with mreisa, i assume?

[sage fractal]

Yea, but you gotta figure it out yourself, especially when it's a 3* EX4 Yuuka Track

[tall willow]

is ue30 required for tyuuka for other raids too?

[sage fractal]

Depends on raid/team/rotation as always

[tall willow]

it never began

i hate this game

[sage fractal]

I can tell you, for my F99 Tiph team + rotation, I needed the UE40 to not go insane

But you won't need UE40 with your team, and I don't know what teams you plan to run on other raids so...

[tall willow]

ive only built some teams for yesod copying causew's guide

[sage fractal]

A lot of determining what you need or don't need is also dependent on trial and error figuring out a rotation, so maybe you go

"Yea I shield now, it lasts throughout the entire wave of attacks, and then Hikari will go shieldless for Tiph's AA, she tanks 3 of them just fine, and then Shigure Hot Spring's Basic kicks in and heals her up fully, so this rotation works"

Knowing the ins and outs of this helps you learn where thresholds are and how much you can get away with/how much more you need

And the only way to do that is to trial and error raids with whatever you have and learning the attack patterns + timings

[tall willow]

the good old spherical cows

[pseudo grove]

I don't believe it's required for a standard 99 clear

and there's always kaede

[sage fractal]

Are there 3* clears for F99

I know 4* clears exist

[pseudo grove]

there are heckin kotori clears for 99

[pastel coral]

The team still the same and can even clear f84, Tiphareth easier than i thought.

Should i try clear higher floor?

[sage fractal]

If you can survive 84, you most likely can survive 99, the Atk increase isn't much

The only problem is dmg output

Honestly impressed you got Seia Swimsuit to work with Kaede, that's not easy

Ah Reisa Magic heals too, ye that makes things easier

Since you do kinda spam Reisa Magic more

[pastel coral]

I don't think this investment of Nozomi can clear f99

Also i let S.Seia dies after wave 4 since my Healing can't fully S.Seia,Tiphareth damage is slightly bigger than my Reisa heal

[sage fractal]

If you can't keep her alive then this is a problem, most of the damage you do is literally from 1st groggy onwards

[pastel coral]

I can't upgrade my M.Reisa more.
Well Eligma and Bond stats is something i can use,but using Eligma just to clear higher FRR floor doesn't seem worth it to me same as giving gift for slightly more healing stats

[sage fractal]

You probably need more frequent shielding, since Kaede's shields don't last very long

[pastel coral]

Thanks for this,there's so much to learn from this. btw playing Tiphareth using 3× speed is crazy

[sage fractal]

Thank @grim agate, not me

[sage fractal]

Seia Swimsuit needs a lot of shielding to survive F99. Highly recommend Yuuka Track/Eimi Swimsuit instead because of longer shield duration

Here's the balding sequence that I used to get F99 with Saori Dress solo

https://youtu.be/vn1Kb8DgWr8

[peak mantle]

how is that even possible lmao

bro ?

[flint prawn]

4* s.eimi shield is not very fat, is it supposed to work in the first place?
Like did your students survive till the end at least once so far?

[peak mantle]

well i manage to make them all survive to groggy two

should i get her to ue 30 ?

[flint prawn]

ue30 t.yuuka shield is ~15k (and it feels pretty chill when no weak armors),
4* s.eimi shield is ~8k,
ue30 s.eimi shield is ~11.5k
You decide if you want to spend ligma for that though

Kaede has fatter shield and don't need eligma, but don't know if you have access to her

[peak mantle]

wym

i'm lvl max ofc i do

i do have her but she's 3 stars

[flint prawn]

3* kaede with bg2 shield is already bigger than s.eimi ~12k
ue40 is ~24.5k though, just saying

[peak mantle]

why does kaede is not being use in fos

[flint prawn]

she is used

[pseudo grove]

your units should be shielded before his third AA hits at the latest

[peak mantle]

okay

i'll work with that

[flint prawn]

lower floors though because 0 offensive buffs
there were like f106's with Kaede

[pseudo grove]

kaede without rio can go up to 109 and people are experimenting with 110+

[sage fractal]

Some people do use Kaede/Eimi Swimsuit/Yuuka Track for 99/100+ Set clears

[sage fractal]

So the preference is to drop Rio over dropping CDmg buffer

[pseudo grove]

on high floors

not in a poverty clear where he's fielding atsuko and nyf

[sage fractal]

I know F100 dropping either one is viable, I assume it's a 105+ thing where you really wanna keep the CDmg buffer?

[pseudo grove]

for 106 you can still go with either

for 109 too actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB0gT8H5xDI

I said kaede without rio because I saw such a clear today

[sage fractal]

So it's a pick your poison kinda situation up till 109

[peak mantle]

fine i got it

i'm upgrading a kaede

ts pmo now

wave 4 ending is too draining

[peak mantle]

how much for a 4 star compared to a full t9 4 star eimi

[pseudo grove]

schaledb.com/calculator

[flint prawn]

3 x t9, all skills maxed

[peak mantle]

lazy for tonight

[peak mantle]

okay that's wild

no wonder i was struggling to get my team surviving on fos

even with atk down bruh

[flint prawn]

s.Eimi gives you good chunk of damage in FoS though. Partly with her sub and basic and partly through reposition, so no one ever gets debuffed.
If survival was the main issue she is not the greatest option

[peak mantle]

i don't think we are making it

they survive well now

but hum

i'm missing out too much on groggy 1

i only throw 1 train i need to prepare before

[sage fractal]

Aoba dying is whatever, who's the other one who died

[flint prawn]

I don't have nozomi and never did with her, but sure it can be fixed to do more damage
Like most of your buffs should go into nozomi and you should do her ex 1-2 times during each core opening

[peak mantle]

sure

[flint prawn]

except that last one when you need to rio copy saori instead

[sage fractal]

Also, if you time your rotation well, P2 should be at least 6 Nozomi EX

With a side of 2-3 Saori Dress EX

[flint prawn]

do we actually have f99 video of default nozomi hikari team?

[sage fractal]

Less than 50m dmg on P2 means you threw...4 Nozomi EX?

[sage fractal]

An immediate problem I see here is Rio EX not used to copy Nozomi while they run

[peak mantle]

it was too late why would i do that

lol

i had 3 sec left

why the hell would i copy

oh

[sage fractal]

This image has 41s left?

[peak mantle]

u meant while walking

i did it right after the screenshot don't worry

[sage fractal]

Far too late

[quiet jewel]

leaking cost..

[sage fractal]

That delay is 1 EX diff

[quiet jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1388423110755352667.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=psmh

[peak mantle]

😭

stopp

[quiet jewel]

if ur leaking cost u should just place oshig

[peak mantle]

if i beat it tomorrow u guys owe me a nitro

[sage fractal]

I'd rather go buy Pyro pakeji for myself than do that

[peak mantle]

😭

[flint prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhvzpKuuJpU that's close enough to your team, hopefully can tinker something based on it

[peak mantle]

yeah no F99 with eimi is ez asf

don't need to watch that

F100 is hell

[peak mantle]

i got it one shot

[flint prawn]

oh wait, you doing f100?

[peak mantle]

ye

that's why i'm crying this much

mf hits like a truck

[flint prawn]

my bad then

[peak mantle]

literally

it says my stage

[flint prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BE9GMa1h_c how about this one?

[peak mantle]

exactly what i was saying

eimi is not valuable after f99

garbage

i instantly managed to make my team survive when u told me to try kaede

she's is not even wearing a decent equipment

and she's doing better than eimi s

[flint prawn]

there is f100 clear with 4* s.eimi and overall sad investments (except both dps being ue60 )

but I have no idea how hard it was

[peak mantle]

sometimes ur character survives

if u lucky

but most of the time they die because the repositioning is very bad

and the shield is low

like bro starting wave 3 the shield pop 2/3 of its health with a single hit

[sage fractal]

That's Wave 4

[peak mantle]

nah nah

really before wave 3 starts

[flint prawn]

i restarted million times for smika survival, i am aware 😭

[peak mantle]

when he hit 3 times

[sage fractal]

That would mean you have the same problem on Wave 1

[peak mantle]

uhm u know he takes an atk buff right?

[sage fractal]

You know that's after Wave 3 right?

[peak mantle]

nah nah

[sage fractal]

Are you sure you know the raid?

[peak mantle]

calling me dumb or something

even my students take more damage

try it yourself

[sage fractal]

Awakened stage literally comes after Wave 3

[peak mantle]

why do i take soo much then

[sage fractal]

Well yea, taking a lot of dmg after Wave 3 is...normal

Waves 4-5 are brutal because of that

Very normal

[pseudo grove]

he's clearly closed in the pic

that means it's phase 1

[sage fractal]

That is from Sacrificial Healer, not Life-Embracing Will

[peak mantle]

i'm lowkey confused now gg

[quiet jewel]

after shutting down cores tiph with gain an atk buff until enabling cores again

[peak mantle]

that's what i'm saying

[quiet jewel]

thats always been there though

[peak mantle]

eimi shield take 2/3

at this moment

[sage fractal]

Ye but that literally starts after end of Wave 1

Why is it suddenly a problem between Waves 2-3 and not a problem between Waves 1-2

I am confused

[peak mantle]

idk bruh

all i know is that my team taking more

at this moment

yeah fuck eimi

at least now i have a better shield

[grim agate]

heh I did this sometimes too, what's happening is as aoba is riding away, s.eimi pops up and triggers the "run to this spot" action

so once aoba's done with her EX, she runs all the way back to that repos spot

you can circumvent it by either letting her take the shield before using her EX, or using her EX to get her out of the repos circle before using s.eimi

[cosmic parrot]

there is basically no difference

i did 4* 104 cus i had free 4* from ep

its rio on tyuuka either way so 3* enough

[languid oriole]

walulu @cosmic parrot

[cosmic parrot]

f99 bhosh

[quiet jewel]

why...

[foggy ruin]

The goat himself

[languid oriole]

Bro answer the question nobody has

[foggy ruin]

Arch rn:

[cosmic parrot]

it isnt rly

took like 4 tries

[rare arch]

Just how invested is that boshi

[cosmic parrot]

ue40 enough

satsuko heals too much

and bag user

[rare arch]

That’s something

[cosmic parrot]

satsuko almost fully heals bhosh

[rare arch]

Answering a question I never knew I had

I’m to assume that simply won’t work on f100

[cosmic parrot]

not at all lol

[rare arch]

As expected

How much of a difference would 3* ako make if I replaced 4* snagi

[cosmic parrot]

none

[rare arch]

Is it going to be worse?

[cosmic parrot]

shorter cdmg duration for her extra basic skill heal

its no difference

id say bit worse if you dont need the heal

snagi cdmg sub too

[rare arch]

It probably still boils down to ue30/40 tyuuka diff

[cosmic parrot]

and ofc cost debt

[rare arch]

Ako has crit dmg sub

[cosmic parrot]

oh rly lol

[rare arch]

Yuh

[sage fractal]

It's Crit buff + Basic heals vs Bag gaming + Cost Debt in this case

[rare arch]

Longer crit dmg buff

[sage fractal]

And that

[rare arch]

Should I just get tyuuka to ue30/40 and try f100

[cosmic parrot]

no

it isnt tyuuka diff

[rare arch]

What’s the diff I’m missing

[cosmic parrot]

i forgo ur team

who do you not have

[rare arch]

I’ve got the standard mreisa comp for f100

[cosmic parrot]

skill issue then

[rare arch]

https://youtu.be/bRMuuV5M13M

Something like this

[cosmic parrot]

yea idk how ur not clearing

[rare arch]

Is there even a 3* tyuuka clear somewhere

Unless my other invests are way off

[cosmic parrot]

who is this again

[rare arch]

Some guy in ST

[grim agate]

oh shit I didn't know you can snipe a full-damage hit on tiph before he gets damage resistance from the guard bots after wave 5

[cosmic parrot]

the drone uptimes are stupid in general

it doesnt go away immediately after you destroy them too

[grim agate]

yeah

[rare arch]

Also there’s a delay between drones dying and the damage resistance disappearing

[cosmic parrot]

yea thats what i was referring to

the buff disappearing

[rare arch]

What if I didn’t run nezo in my f100 team?

[cosmic parrot]

who else

[rare arch]

5 strikers

[cosmic parrot]

shosh is good cus she can self sustain

no why would you

[rare arch]

Idk

I’m seeing what else I could run

[languid oriole]

@cosmic parrot i though i made mistake giving nozomi ui buff

turn out it is the factor that enable me to win f99

reisaderp

[rare arch]

Im thinking of what else I can do that isn’t using ligma on tyuuka

[languid oriole]

using ligma on nozomi

nozomiRave

[rare arch]

What else can I realistically do

[languid oriole]

do lunatic yesod

[rare arch]

No

[languid oriole]

yes

do it for me

[rare arch]

No

[languid oriole]

yes

i cant do it so im passing to you

[rare arch]

My devices are shite

🥔

[cosmic parrot]

bring atsuko and mald 1/16

[rare arch]

Only 3*

[queen drift]

just 4* tyuuka

[rare arch]

[queen drift]

its cheap since you've been buying her permits surely

[rare arch]

80/100 currently

[queen drift]

u should not need to be told that 20 eligma is not that much

[rare arch]

I’ll try with 4* the

And see how

[rare arch]

@cosmic parrot

Is this ue40 nozomi diff now?

[sage fractal]

No

This is def a rotation diff

[rare arch]

My nozomi is at lvl 7 basic enhanced sub

Also t989 gears

[sage fractal]

Audiens did 102 without Hoshino Swimsuit with UE30 Nozomi

[rare arch]

But holy hell it’s close

[sage fractal]

So pretty sure you have enough dmg

[rare arch]

Is that maxed skills and gears?

[sage fractal]

Should be, ye

[lone comet]

Unless you’re proper broke on creds or for some reason quimbaya you probably already have all the Highlander mats available

If you’re determined to use ue30 the least you can do is max the important skills

[rare arch]

T3 colgate is what’s limiting me currently

I could try crafting some t3 artifact selectors

I’ve got 48m credit or so to spend

[lone comet]

Maybe make sure Yesod is good first then

There’s a few units you’ve probably never touched you might need to suddenly raise like mari/noa etc

[rare arch]

Lemme look at my team plans

I can see mimori, saki, maybe msuzumi and rabu

Haven’t invested much into them

[lone comet]

If you do saki you don’t need rabu

[rare arch]

Second team

[lone comet]

Saki lets you run the super p2 team

You don’t need to 2pan p2

Esp owning Suzumi

[rare arch]

That’s assuming I 1 pan p1 without borrowing

[lone comet]

Unless you don’t have noa maybe

[rare arch]

No noa

Have to cope with wappi on the second team for ff

There’s also the option of using tsubaki over rabu

But I’d need 3 ex on both regardless

Just getting nozomi to max skills would cost over 30m credits

[lone comet]

Yeah so come back to frr later, it’s here for a month

[cosmic parrot]

how much left on chase sequence

[rare arch]

Think 75m?

Around 60-75m is my guess

[cosmic parrot]

bit too much

[rare arch]

How much should I get it down to

[cosmic parrot]

60mil should be comfy

[sage fractal]

Doesn't Nozomi already solo 50m minimum with 6 EX on P2?

[cosmic parrot]

also use nozomi exactly when theres 32.8 seconds left

[sage fractal]

You prolly can fit 1 before that

[rare arch]

When the second groggy hits?

[sage fractal]

1 before groggy, 3 groggy, 2-3 more after groggy

Ye the key is you need 3 during groggy

[rare arch]

Right

Id need to actually make it there

[cosmic parrot]

50mil is an understatement

but ue30 so cant set too high

[sage fractal]

Ye that's why I said 50m

Because UE30 Nozomi

I would target below 70m if that's the case

50m+ Nozomi, 13.5m from 6 bots, and 1-2 more EX from Saori Dress

[rare arch]

How bad is it if I’m just using nezo to tank aa and not using her ex skill?

[sage fractal]

You might as well not bring her and make the shielding easier

Or bring Shun and let her die like Audiens did

[rare arch]

I don’t think that’s how it work

[sage fractal]

But that is how it works. You can then:

• during Dawn of Ritual, shield Aoba + 2 others
• then reshield the last one during Wave 4

If you had Hoshino Swimsuit there, you'd have to try to catch the last 2 during Wave 4

[rare arch]

Yeah but someone gets blasted by 2 aa

[sage fractal]

Who?

[rare arch]

Idk who

But someone will

[sage fractal]

You immediately shield when Wave 4 starts after sending Aoba

[rare arch]

Actually that might be a play

[sage fractal]

It goes

• shield delet
• insta shield Aoba + 2 others
• Wave 4 starts insta shield + send Aoba

[rare arch]

Just hope that the one I don’t shield doesn’t get deleted before I re shield

[cosmic parrot]

tiph always hits 6 so ur gonna get rekt when mreisa isnt up

even if shes up everyone still getting hit

[rare arch]

If aoba gets double hit then even worse

Given my aoba dies to wave 4 sometimes

[sage fractal]

You prolly can just throw out Reisa Magic

And outheal all the AA

[rare arch]

Easier said than done

[cosmic parrot]

you cant rly even with shosh lol

[rare arch]

Id rather just have nezo tanking all the hits

[cosmic parrot]

but why wouldnt you bring shosh

[rare arch]

If nezo dies then it is what it is

[sage fractal]

Is Shigure HS vs Reisa Magic so much difference

[rare arch]

For me yes

[cosmic parrot]

oshig has her basic

[rare arch]

My oshig is only ue30

[sage fractal]

You can redeploy Reisa Magic again during Wave 1 👀

Just deploy once in-between waves, once during the wave

[rare arch]

I don’t deploy mreisa until end of wave 1

[cosmic parrot]

i mean you can a diferent rot for babysitting 5 strikers but like

who knows if its better or worse

[rare arch]

Anything that makes it worse is out the table

Actually nezo dying on wave 4 made me kill all 3 labourer groups faster

Somehow

[sage fractal]

https://youtu.be/OhW7HPTWq0c
I wonder if you can recreate something like this but with Reisa Magic instead

[rare arch]

I insist upon mreisa

[sage fractal]

No, that's what I meant

You literally

Just pretend it's Reisa Magic instead of Shigure HS

And do something similar

Just use Reisa Magic more often

[cosmic parrot]

oshig instant 40k healing is kinda cringe to cover

[sage fractal]

Reisa Magic during the waves itself will cover for that, no?

[cosmic parrot]

i mean wave 4 is the issue

[sage fractal]

In-between waves you use her once, start of wave you redeploy her

[cosmic parrot]

wave 1-3 has no pressure

[sage fractal]

Wave 4 you just need to double shield

You have no choice

[cosmic parrot]

oshigt basic comes right after the nuke

[rare arch]

What if I deployed tyuuka on wave 3 so that her shield lasts through awakened aa?

[cosmic parrot]

saving aoba and everyone

[sage fractal]

Awakened literally is 1 AA and then Dawn of Ritual

[rare arch]

Yes

[cosmic parrot]

yea but the aa hits 4x as hard as the start now

[sage fractal]

I mean, if you wanna do triple shield rotation, sure

Cos I did that

[rare arch]

What happens if aa breaks a shield?

[cosmic parrot]

it prolly doesnt

[sage fractal]

Shield -> AA -> shield again -> Wave 4 starts -> Shield again

That was the only way to keep Seia Swimsuit alive through Wave 4

[rare arch]

Would it do damage as if the target had a shield or didn’t have a shield?

[cosmic parrot]

it deals less dmg to shielded

[rare arch]

If the shield breaks due to the aa?

[cosmic parrot]

then u get rekt by missiles

[rare arch]

But if it’s just before dawn of ritual?

[sage fractal]

The question is: if you lose shield after AA damage, does it:

• snapshot as shielded and count total damage assuming shielded
• remaining % of damage counted as unshielded after breaking shield, or
• considered unshielded for the entirety of the AA

[cosmic parrot]

is this wave 4 or 5

[rare arch]

4

[sage fractal]

Like, say, you have 1k HP on shield left, you take 6k dmg, how is it counted

[cosmic parrot]

so shield nuke then shield again - tiph aa

[sage fractal]

Is it 6k, 1k + 10k, or 12k

[cosmic parrot]

why ur shield so less hp going into wave 4

even ue40 tyuuka doesnt shield through nuke

so shield again

[sage fractal]

Because shield got taken up by Dawn of Ritual

[rare arch]

I’m using the shield to tank the boosted aa

[sage fractal]

I mean, it doesn't matter

Dawn of Ritual hits after the first AA

So you shield AA, Dawn of Ritual delets the remaining shield

[cosmic parrot]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxWkU1mTMsame-ZKWfyurYVz4PlCN3W6-5?si=PEWcnzTbIuiviBHP

[sage fractal]

Hm, literally no leftover shield after Dawn of Ritual 👀

[cosmic parrot]

yes 3* tyuuka be like

[sage fractal]

But you see, if you are UE30/UE40 you might have leftover

[cosmic parrot]

lemme check

[sage fractal]

So if you have leftover and then you tank an AA, and the leftover isn't enough

How much damage do you exactly take

That is the question, I think

[cosmic parrot]

oh yea 106 leaves some

not sure if i saved tyuuka basic for this one

but this getting nuked by tiph aa anyway

wait

[rare arch]

Man

[sage fractal]

Ye that's the question, this remaining shield gets deleted by Tiph AA and you take some damage, but how much exactly

[cosmic parrot]

yea it gets nuked by tiph aa and you need to reshield

[sage fractal]

Like, say, 1k HP shield, 6k to shielded (and 12k to unshielded)

• does it count as total 6k so you take 5k dmg
• or does it count as total 12k and you take 11k dmg
• or does it divide into 1k shielded and 5k unshielded so the 5k gets double

[rare arch]

words cannot begin to express hat just happened

[sage fractal]

Oof, close

That's 1 EX away?

[rare arch]

Dsaori died right before groggy

[cosmic parrot]

think whether it deals extra dmg is based on if the current target is shielded or not

so i think u wont even get hit twice

[sage fractal]

So it's the first case then

[cosmic parrot]

the extra dmg is dealt with an extra tick

[rare arch]

But I am very close

[cosmic parrot]

why tf dsaori died

[rare arch]

Nezo stole shield

[sage fractal]

That means with this rotation, if she survives you just win

[cosmic parrot]

think the leftover labourers could clear that hp

so bald more

[sage fractal]

Nah, dying before groggy means he was dealing less dmg during 1st groggy too

[rare arch]

Even just having the drones during first groggy dead would’ve added the damage needed

[sage fractal]

This would've been a clear if she survived

[cosmic parrot]

oh yea

didnt clear the shielding drones

[rare arch]

Nozomi did clear the barricades just fine I think

But that’s because dsaori is dead

But this can be done

[cosmic parrot]

no idea if shosh would cover this diff

[sage fractal]

When did she die

Wave 4-5?

[peak mantle]

guys

how do u see who i'm about to apply a buff

tf pmo

sometimes i copy hoshino with rio

[sage fractal]

There's a setting in Settings that you can toggle

[cosmic parrot]

4

by the boll

[sage fractal]

I wonder if she alone contributes 25m worth of buffs...probably not? 10-15m maybe I'd believe

I forgot what it's called, "display target of EX skill" or something like that, it shows you this when you hold your mouse button onto a target after selecting EX

[cosmic parrot]

i hate aoba

[languid oriole]

first time?

so anyway you send her too soon

[sage fractal]

Why do you think I like to wait for sticky bomb to attach

[peak mantle]

ts pmo off bro

where tf is she going

[cosmic parrot]

dude the explosion is gonna kill shosh

[sage fractal]

This is why this raid is stupid

All these little nuisances add up to make this an unholy, unenjoyable experience

[sage fractal]

Just another normal day of social distancing, though I must ask, is it even a normal thing to use Shigure HS at that location?

[cosmic parrot]

thats the leftover of using oshig during wave open

[sage fractal]

Is it normal to use Shigure HS during wave

[cosmic parrot]

no

girl thinks shes mreisa

and oshig basic coverds it

JAHAHHAHH

i messed up so hard

[rare arch]

There’s something about hikari that make her dodge the aa before wave 3 by getting on a specific spot on the map

[cosmic parrot]

the card rotation during groggy is crazy to manage

i cant imagine utilizing rei dps

[rare arch]

At what time does tiphareth awakened aa hit all students in wave 4

[peak mantle]

gg

how is that even possible

so we censoring ingame names

gg's

[peak mantle]

there's a reason why i use her here don't worry 😭

i'm using her ass between and during waves

because my kaede is very very low in investment rn

i started from 3 stars lvl 1 since yesterday night

at this moment she was 4 stars

[rare arch]

Wait what just happened

Did the yellow core just not shoot missiles?

I was so close to groggy then all the mobs healed it

Wtf

[sage fractal]

Congrats, that's the Arch bug

Lemme guess: Aoba right Wave 4

[rare arch]

I think so

[peak mantle]

why do tiphareth always bug bro

hold the fuck on. since when bosses reload ?

[sage fractal]

That's Awakened state

I dunno why that's the symbol for it

[peak mantle]

the yellow one means reload

[cosmic parrot]

thats the bug i was talking abt

[rare arch]

Nah that’s attack augmentation like with kuroko

[rare arch]

How does it happen

[peak mantle]

why would it be yellow then

shouldn't it be red

[cosmic parrot]

sending aoba right on wave 4

[rare arch]

Because it’s a special effect

[cosmic parrot]

destroying the core

[peak mantle]

i need to learn symbols

[rare arch]

Just look at kuroko

[rare arch]

So the missiles don’t spawn at all on wave 5 because I sent aoba to the right?

[peak mantle]

where can i find that

[cosmic parrot]

yes its stupid

unless ur using kaede dont do it

[rare arch]

So just send aoba to the left in wave 4?

[peak mantle]

i'm confused

what are u guys talking about

[cosmic parrot]

yes

[rare arch]

Missiles won’t spawn on wave 5 if you send aoba to the right on wave 4

[peak mantle]

that's a bug?

[rare arch]

No shit it is

[peak mantle]

that's odd tho

i always send her to the right

and i get my ass bombed on wave 5

[rare arch]

Hmm that’s weird

[peak mantle]

i always do
right right left right left

[cosmic parrot]

it feels specific

but idk the actual conditions

but it kinda happens if you send aoba right wave 4

do u need to send her right on 5 too

[rare arch]

I think I did that on wave 5?

[peak mantle]

u overloaded the core trust ( saying shit )

[cosmic parrot]

ok i have a crazy idea that prolly wont work

using rei on wave 5

[peak mantle]

rawr

[cosmic parrot]

and send aoba right wave 4

[peak mantle]

sorry

[cosmic parrot]

missiles wont shoot but still groggy

but dont need rio on tyuuka

am i cooking

[rare arch]

If the missiles don’t shoot, how do you even hit groggy

[cosmic parrot]

i almost groggy even without missiles

if i dont kill anything on wave 5

so if i do itll prolly groggy

[rare arch]

So if you replicate the missile wave 5 glitch then you don’t need to Rio tyuuka?

[cosmic parrot]

thats my theory

imma try it

[rare arch]

Aight

[cosmic parrot]

cus only the balls will hit

[rare arch]

Let me know how easy it is to replicate and how practical it really is

[cosmic parrot]

missiles are the one that kills

ok but u kinda need them full hp by wave 5

[rare arch]

On wave 3 is it a good idea to spawn mreisa at 3:05:000 so that she can redirect the awakened tiph aa on wave 4?

[peak mantle]

uhmm

that's wild lowkey

i have a healing issue now

[cosmic parrot]

3:08 is enough

also do u not use mreisa during transition

i just summon her again

[rare arch]

What transition?

[cosmic parrot]

when sky is turning red

u want her to tank the first aa of that?

i just summon her again

[rare arch]

Not really tank

Just redirecting it

Even if she disappears, the attack would go to her if tiph initially targets her

[cosmic parrot]

yea sometimes that mreisa gets it sometimes the new one i summoned tanks it

its whatever

[cosmic parrot]

yea

same thing

but she dies to nuke anyway so its no difference

[rare arch]

How impactful would it be if I tyuuka in wave 3 and the shield survives right until the awakened aa?

So my students don’t take damage from the attack

[cosmic parrot]

lol shit i forgo i was supposed to send her right LOL

[cosmic parrot]

idk sounds like a different rot

[rare arch]

If the students are at full hp or close to it then they could tank a dawn on ritual

I don’t think I should focus on that too much

Just need to make aoba survive wave 4 consistently

How much damage does aoba take on wave 4 at 1777 skills and t8M4 gears

[cosmic parrot]

yea no i dont think its realistic

rio tyuuka is much better

lmao rei with rio shosh mreisa

[heady hearth]

few days late to share but better than never

[onyx belfry]

Considering how many Elder Senseis are in this chat...
Do y'all find that FRR supplies enough fusion stones for your alchemical needs, or do you wish you bought more ones from the JFD shop when you had the chance?

[pseudo grove]

the latter, and I've been buying all yellow stones since time immemorial

[cosmic parrot]

its not even close to enough

[pseudo grove]

yellow fusion stones are one of the bondchasing bottlenecks

[onyx belfry]

kk, thanks y'all. I'm at the point now where I need to start budgeting JFD mats more

Y'all buy out every single variety?

[pseudo grove]

I always buy all yellow fusion stones
purple only whenever they're starting to dry out

people who rely on fusion more often probably clear purple stones every time

[onyx belfry]

kk, thanks.

[pseudo grove]

yellow is a special case because one day you can find yourself wanting to fuse 1000 gifts

[cosmic parrot]

f99 chiaki iykyk

[peak mantle]

guys

does the field affect the special students like healers or shielders

[pseudo grove]

what field

[peak mantle]

u see the smiley things

[pseudo grove]

terrain affinity?

[peak mantle]

if the special characters have red smiley on this terrain

[pseudo grove]

only for damage

[peak mantle]

oki oki

[pseudo grove]

it matters for someone like satsuki

but not for tiph specials

[peak mantle]

balding on f99

[gusty torrent]

settled for floor 90 cuz i thought doing this with mika sucked so hard and i see a chiaki clear here 💔

[pastel coral]

F49 lowkey hard wth...

[sage fractal]

F49 low level clear. Doubt I can go any more budget than this

[rare arch]

Yellow atk students on purple

[rare arch]

looks good so far

Only 17m hp left by the end wtf

Is it better to destroy 4 drones with dsaori and spam nozomi or destroy all 8?

[quiet jewel]

por que no los dos

[rare arch]

@cosmic parrot @sage fractal LETS FREAKING GOOOOOOO

[rare arch]

Cost and rotation reasons

[foggy wasp]

slack on 87
typhus

[bold thicket]

i finally completed f100 with a ue30 dsaori, it sucks

[graceful cradle]

f99

that was easier than i expected ngl

but now i cant borrow ue60 dsaori
gotta wait tmr to try f100

[languid oriole]

hmmmmmmmm

[rare arch]

:baldshino:

[languid oriole]

holding up with hopes and dream

[lyric atlas]

Social distancing moment

[rare arch]

Doing f100 with kaede and no is peak :baldshino:

[languid oriole]

yes

[languid oriole]

doing f99 without kiki was already a miracle

[rare arch]

I dunno if that’s even possible at f100 without

[sage fractal]

It's possible to keep Seia Swimsuit alive for 99, 100 pretty sure is just flat out impossible without Kisaki

Maybe possible with Himari? Idk

Like, if you run the F113 team but with Himari you probably still have enough dmg?

[cedar elm]

What if bike roko debuff attack

[cosmic parrot]

lol

bikeroko on f100

[rare arch]

[sage fractal]

You would have to atk down on, like, every single attack, good luck cycling back to her that often while also doing mechanics

[rare arch]

4 cost per ex skill

10 second atk down

[sage fractal]

Also, unlike Set

Bike prolly dies to 1 Tiph AA

[rare arch]

She won’t

But she would die to 2 or 3

[cedar elm]

Just get a better gaming chair then

[rare arch]

Easier said than done

[cosmic parrot]

she does on wave 2

easily dies through wave 4 nuke with shield

[rare arch]

Awakened phase?

[cosmic parrot]

120k dmg with 60k hp (30k cus yellow

[rare arch]

[shy sapphire]

I somehow couldn't do this the first time he came around but now I can, I guess it was skill issue

[rare arch]

No mreisa

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1345795159895445545.webp?size=160&animated=true

[shy sapphire]

I do have her but she doesn't synergize with my setup, she conflicts with s.hoshi buff and I lose the crt dmg sub from shigu

[rare arch]

She doesn’t conflict with nezo buff

[shy sapphire]

Nezo?

[rare arch]

S hoshino

[shy sapphire]

Wait really? Doesn't buffs of the same application type (aura) not stack?

[rare arch]

Mreisa is enhanced and nezo is ex

[languid oriole]

bro somehow still kept ui alive

[shy sapphire]

Ohhh I see thanks 🙏

[shy sapphire]

She's a liability but once you get used to the positioning rng (s.eimi) when placing shigu then she'll always live

[cosmic parrot]

dude its stupidly easy but i keep making beginner mistakes

[peak mantle]

u guys will be telling me what i am doing wrong thanks

lowkey my rotation was good for the first 3 waves then i started to panic 💔

making my rotation bad

[pseudo grove]

play on speed 1

[peak mantle]

nah lowkey

i have a cost saving issue

why do i always have a skill issue lmao

[cosmic parrot]

problem with kaede is u can't rio kaede

[peak mantle]

huh

before choosing my own rotation i wanted to follow this guy one but i was taking more damages than him so i gave up and went at my own sake

https://youtu.be/5BE9GMa1h_c?si=Q4472riJM6X35UMQ

now i'm taking less

because i upgraded my kaede

i need to upgrade my kaede to get this juicy cost reduction

[sage fractal]

Wave 2 you hit the right core too early, dmg loss there
Wave 3 you hit the left core too early, also dmg loss there

[peak mantle]

there's a timing for that !?

[peak mantle]

also what does that mean

like what the matter with timing

it didn't have the shield tho

[sage fractal]

Also in-between Waves 3 and 4, you are clicking on too many skills for no reason

[peak mantle]

OH

[peak mantle]

i'm panicking

[peak mantle]

i see now

damage reduction debuff on the core

after the train

[sage fractal]

Just don't click on anything lmao, hoard cost, the reason you could not get back to Kaede in time on Wave 5 is precisely because of that

[peak mantle]

my cost was too low

i can't save

[sage fractal]

Because you spent 10 cost before Wave 4

For no reason

[peak mantle]

because i'm too dumb sorry

[sage fractal]

Like, what you do in between Waves 3 and 4 will affect how fast you cycle back on Wave 5

[peak mantle]

aw.. i'll pratice a bit more then

[sage fractal]

Core is not groggied yet. You only groggy after

• core hits itself (with the missiles)
• another core hits it (with microwave)
• and then you hit it with Saori Dress to trigger groggy

So a few of Saori Dress' EX hits + Nozomi's first EX hit has no 100% Dmg Taken debuff

[peak mantle]

tiphy being an ass is crazy

i like it tho

i prefer binah

[sage fractal]

Same thing here, except that now you also hit it during dmg reduction

[languid oriole]

you can technically groggy the right core in first wave

[sage fractal]

Not the end of the world, but these two mistakes are easily 500k-1m dmg loss

[languid oriole]

but nobody do that

so moving on

[sage fractal]

You mean everyone does that on the high floors

[sage fractal]

Also that is Wave 2

[languid oriole]

first wave

[peak mantle]

this much !?

[languid oriole]

the right and left core active

[sage fractal]

Might be more, I'm just eyeballing the estimate

[languid oriole]

instead of sending aoba to left core

you send to right core

[sage fractal]

Yea, I know

[peak mantle]

i'll calculate it

[sage fractal]

Everyone does that on the top floors

[peak mantle]

it's about 600k without buffs

[sage fractal]

Nothing to practice, just learn to be patient and wait. After Kaede, don't use any skill until you are at 19 cost or Wave 4 has started. You could've easily started Wave 4 with 18 cost instead of 10 cost. That 8 less cost used meant you would've cycled back to Kaede in-time for Wave 5

[peak mantle]

1.5M damages lost 3 times 😭 🙏

[peak mantle]

but.

well idk

saving seems hard for me

[sage fractal]

Then you can continue to struggle

[peak mantle]

i never learned how to do that even with currency

[peak mantle]

i'll learn

there's a reason i'm spending a lot

i'm too scared

of my team dying

i feel like when i do these move

they'll eventually survive

but i'm wrong

[rare arch]

Part of the battle is saving cost for the waves

Sometimes you don’t need to go overboard on the buffs

[graceful cradle]

i thought the debuff is from aoba ex skill hit (1) and the other cores hit (2)?

[rare arch]

Aoba doesn’t affect that

[cosmic parrot]

other debuffs does not trigger that

in fact i never send aoba to the core itself

either in front or behind

[graceful cradle]

cool

so the groggy is from the other core's hit and dress saori?

[rare arch]

2 core ex skills hitting a core

Then a student ex skill damaging that core

[cosmic parrot]

i just treat the marked core as already debuffed

[sage fractal]

You first need the core to hit itself, then the core needs to get hit by another core, and then you hit it with an EX skill after that

So if, say, on Wave 2, you hit it before the missiles get reflected back, no core groggy

[peak mantle]

GUYS

i'm learning

damn slow ass wifi

before

after learning

before

after

damn the order might be weird

before

my wifi slow afk

[peak mantle]

y'all will figure out

after

[rare arch]

That’s a decent amount of progress

[peak mantle]

lowkey i lost because i made an extremely bad mistake

[rare arch]

What mistake

[peak mantle]

i accidentally rio hikari instead of saori

leading on spend more

to reroll her

[languid oriole]

There are no accident

I use ui on nozomi

[rare arch]

I accidentally Rio copy dsaori instead of tyuuka on wave 5

[languid oriole]

And it make me win f99

[rare arch]

My whole team died then

[peak mantle]

my team survived

but the mf regained 4%

because of ts

i couldn't get wave 5 without spending

[rare arch]

I accidentally let dsaori die by the end of wave 5

By the end of the entire raid I got the boss down to 7m

Which is I

[peak mantle]

so yeah guess what happened next i couldn't destroy the drone in time to throw 2 train and the only train i throw was on 40defs

[peak mantle]

there are

i'm on floor 100

one mistake can cost u the run

i gotta be careful

[rare arch]

It does

I accidentally sent nozomi ex right as the escape sequence began

So I wasted a skill and that’s 6m dmg left by the end

[peak mantle]

that's sad

i'm planning on pushing to floor 105

and i'm struggling at 100

[rare arch]

Also one time the missiles didn’t fire at all

[peak mantle]

i gotta work more on my rotation

[rare arch]

So I missed out on groggy

[peak mantle]

it does for me

[rare arch]

Arch bug tm

[peak mantle]

i got a rec of my mistake btw

u'll see

[cosmic parrot]

it doesnt bug below a certain floor

[languid oriole]

I managed to squeeze out 3 ex in first groggy

[cosmic parrot]

ig 104

[rare arch]

It doesn’t bug?

Then wtf did I just see that one run then

[sage fractal]

Rick actually got it at F100

It was literally the Arch bug™

[cosmic parrot]

yea 99 it doesnrt

[rare arch]

I think I only got the bug once

[sage fractal]

Watch as someone recreates it on 99

[rare arch]

Other times I didn’t pay attention or didn’t make it to that part

[languid oriole]

Bro got soo good at this raid yall name bugs after him

🥀

[sage fractal]

Nah, it's just that no one likes Tiph as much as Arch does

[rare arch]

How good do I need to be to get something named after me

Not SEA wifi moment

[peak mantle]

bro this cellular data pmo

[foggy ruin]

Credit to Arch atp

[rare arch]

Playing on data 🥀

[peak mantle]

i'm at college 💔

[rare arch]

Damn no school wifi

Or school wifi sucks

[sage fractal]

More like "filtered internet"

[rare arch]

It still pmo that steam is blocked on my school wifi

But that doesn’t stop me from playing on school wifi

[foggy ruin]

Thats normal thing at school ngl

[rare arch]

It just makes the in game store have a heart attack

[foggy ruin]

Afterall you’re not the only person who used the wifi

[rare arch]

Takes a billion years to give me an error message

[foggy ruin]

Smh only my classroom blocked our school wifi lmao

[cosmic parrot]

why tf does nozomi not go to bottom during chase sequence sometimes

i hate her so much

[rare arch]

silly goober

[cosmic parrot]

can tyuuka even fix

[rare arch]

I dunno

[foggy ruin]

positioning mald too? tiphareth is painful

[pseudo grove]

wdym "too"

[rare arch]

Escape sequence position malding

[cosmic parrot]

tiph is like 80% pos malding

else 124 would be easy

wait

[rare arch]

[cosmic parrot]

imagine the reason theyre delaying tiph on jp

is that theyre fixing it

copium

[foggy ruin]

kinda, imo the camera angle suck

[rare arch]

Apparently nozomi can snipe labourers during the second groggy if timed and positioned well

I don’t know how practical that is but I saw it in a clear

[cosmic parrot]

yea i had that once

but ur supposed to dsaori/rei both sides anyway

[rare arch]

I haven’t had that happen ever so

[cosmic parrot]

https://youtu.be/ISYgTihO3P4?t=6m25s

spawn camping

[languid oriole]

Will yall do the same to me with yesod

[rare arch]

I spawncamped all the waves except 1 and 5

[foggy ruin]

Still, idk if you can clear this f99 with smika?

[cosmic parrot]

smika clears 100 no?

[rare arch]

It’s easy with smika

[rare arch]

She can

[cosmic parrot]

if u mean with shanako then hell no

[rare arch]

https://youtu.be/DtE5tPZm4bk?si=5ivs6G5nV9kVLcFw

[cosmic parrot]

i brought 5 sustains for shanako and she still died

[foggy ruin]

Yeah that exactly what i meant

[rare arch]

Shanako insta dead on f100

[foggy ruin]

Omega shiny head

[rare arch]

Smika can still survive because it’s Mika

[foggy ruin]

[cosmic parrot]

first tiph shot after 4 seconds into the fight

[foggy ruin]

Hell no, im not doing that

Even if its f99

[rare arch]

Just smika it

[cosmic parrot]

99 not this bad

[rare arch]

Smika f99 easy enough

Uneru f99 yellow tiphareth is baldshino af

[languid oriole]

I somehow did it with ue30

[rare arch]

I don’t think anyone has cleared f99 with uneru

Other than me

And that CN player

[languid oriole]

I do f91

:baldshino:

[rare arch]

Baby mode

F99 is where it’s at

[cosmic parrot]

i doubt anyone did 99 with chiaki

no cheese

[languid oriole]

Do it

[rare arch]

It would be insane if uneru can f100

[languid oriole]

Prove youre a chiaki fan

[rare arch]

But I highly doubt it’s possible

[cosmic parrot]

no crit no shit, her basic takes a century

[cosmic parrot]

https://youtu.be/Adplsgr4VF0

[languid oriole]

Oh

Well time to do f99 set with wakamo

[foggy ruin]

That clear cost sth precious

[languid oriole]

:clueless:

[rare arch]

When yellow tiphareth reruns I’m still doing the uneru f99 clear

I’m never building shasumi on god

[foggy ruin]

Man, im still trying to do f99 without tyuuka nor kaede

[rare arch]

:baldshino:

Also I’m skipping Mika

[cosmic parrot]

final 10s of tiph aa actually hurts

if u werent using oshig/mreisa

its still p2 buffed aa

[cosmic parrot]

🧱

[languid oriole]

Should i do 10 more pulls

[foggy ruin]

If you want?

[languid oriole]

Took me 50 pulls to get the fuuk in jp

I wonder where all my luck went

[clear ice]