I do strategize yeah
#🗼final-restriction-release
signal belfry
But
I just use whatever team i'm personally comfortable with
Cuz let's be real
Better to be a casual & learn at my own pace then to be like this guy this guy:
Slight correction:
signal belfry
Better to be a casual & learn at my own pace then to be like this guy this guy:
^^ (added "& to learn at my own pace")
Atleast that's how i enjoy it more
Then again: i'm like that with most games in general now that i think about it ngl
signal belfry
Bruh for some reason Meru was like "I DON'T NEED NO COVER!" & just repositioned herself into the fire breath
Which i've never seen in this battle before
She fucking died by doing that as well
I did beat the floor i'm on though (just beaten floor 14-19)
rare arch
Bruh for some reason Meru was like "I DON'T NEED NO COVER!" & just repositioned ...
Have you tried not putting the cover so close to her?
cursive relic
Chokmah F74 Weak U.Neru + Q.Marina Carry
rare arch
Grats
languid oriole
This is U.Neru's build
🦖
signal belfry
Have you tried not putting the cover so close to her?
Yeah. This only happened once
rare arch
How does one not go crazy doing one floor at a time
signal belfry
I just don't cuz i play it at my own pace
Some sorta word of advice though: The way a game is to be played, is the way the player wants to play it
rare arch
There’s a yellow tiphareth f99 clear with the gamer twins
gray flame
Is it worth it/necessary to bring DoT for Chokmah's reactor mechanic? Or is it better to just go all in on straight damage?
rare arch
Dot dmg is the main mechanic of chokmah
gray flame
Got to 49 on my team but I'm sure I could go farther if I understood the mechanics. I just figured out the ballista mechanic.
rare arch
You could get away with brute force on lower floors sure
But on later floors you must use dot
gray flame
hmmmmmmm. Good thing I don't have any yellow DoT 😭
rare arch
Borrow them?
languid oriole
Is it worth it/necessary to bring DoT for Chokmah's reactor mechanic? Or is it b...
for section 1 and 2 you can steamroll
but from section 3 onward
it a requirement
rare arch
Also depends on your dps
rare arch
im bricked fos
What did bro do
steep jungle
Smh just use OG Saya
flint prawn
No any Saya works too
languid oriole
No any Saya works too
casual saya you need her bond gear t2 for her to ACTUALLY have dot
otherwise her basic skill is just a flat deal damage every half minute
flint prawn
Saya's dot is not enough to push reactor alone if thats what you are trying to do
Shes brought for damage stacks mechanic and you can live without it
uncut lodge
and if your rotation is off you can use saya ex to pop the ballista
timid fog
Is Chokmah attack pattern F74-F99 different from F100+?
native ocean
There certain atk that comes when it reach certain HP treeshold
flint prawn
Do Momoi or Junko really work for yellow Tiphareth?
cosmic parrot
very cope
flint prawn
Bad like s.hanako?
flint prawn
I didnt see 99 hanako either
Or there was like 1 meme clear with everyone else overinvested
signal belfry
beaten every single floor up to F24 with this, but now it seems like it's time to start replacing part-timer Sumire with 1 healer
I think i'll try regular Ayane
flint prawn
Borrow would be easiest way to push further at this point
signal belfry
1 thing though, my prefered way to play this game is to only borrow student at my account lvl or below & i'm at lvl 74 & it seems that all the students i can get as assistants are either above my account lvl or ones i already have that aren't to far off
This is the list of students that show up for me atm
cosmic parrot
1 thing though, my prefered way to play this game is to only borrow student at m...
sorry but no one builds non lvl 90 dps
like at all
unless theyre high
plus levels are the first thing you should build
not skills not gears not stars
so dont even try to expect a low dps built unit
cosmic parrot
other than that one lvl 75 ue50 shanako friend i have
idk what theyre on but its funi
signal belfry
i'm way to short on both reports & credits rn
cosmic parrot
though hes actually lvl 75
signal belfry
& i just upgrade whatever on my roster of students is available to upgrade lmao
flint prawn
This is the list of students that show up for me atm
Could get more friends/join club, it costs nothing.
But then again if you don't want to borrow built max level unit it is what it is 
cosmic parrot
i think u misunderstand how levels here work
borrowing a same lvl dps does not make sense at all in this game
other than max
so its not rly an achievement to borrow a lvl 70 dps or whatever
ion even wanna comment more just gl finding
flint prawn
still can be more built theoretically, but its hard even finding one 
cosmic parrot
also i think cus borrowing exists and fes students exists
else people would be building their own dps here and there
flint prawn
level 70 ue60 q.marina 
cosmic parrot
in that case you might have higher chances
but again theres the dmg reduction due to levels
so no one would willingly have their dps at low lvl
signal belfry
borrowing a same lvl dps does not make sense at all in this game
Yeah i actually already know. When there are multiple on my lvl or below like on those 2 screenshot, i do with the highest lvled one
& idrc that much that it's not an achievement or that it doesn't really make. As illogical as it sounds, i kinda just prefer borrowing the 1 that's my account lvl or lower, then i do getting a maxed 1
I'm only like 16 lvls off before I start bothering to borrow maxed ones though
& my next lvl is like what, next 1 or 2 sweeps
rare arch
I’ve seen at least 2 f99 clears with momoi
Pretty sure f100 just makes tiphareth aa do more damage?
cosmic parrot
tiph does almost double the dmg on f100
flint prawn
It also was like 50m more hp for purple?
rare arch
For yellow it’s like 7m more hp I think
flint prawn
I remember single saori suddenly stops working
rare arch
If it’s just a matter of survival then surely the gamers could clear f100 too
Or am I missing something
flint prawn
What stops you for borrowing s.yukari or whoever is prefered aoe though?
rare arch
No Mika
rare arch
Depends on how lucky I get for pre fest and fest
rare arch
And Neru cant survive?
She has D indoor
The damage difference is absolutely ridiculous
cosmic parrot
I’ve seen at least 2 f99 clears with momoi
damn wtf
flint prawn
So they brought momoi AND junko
rare arch
So they brought momoi AND junko
Pretty sure you can’t have one without the other
regal arrow
Anyone got tiph yellow f100 vids/playlists
this looks comfy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaOqaYfjX5A
rare arch
Pretty sure you can use kaede
steep jungle
I know but like
rare arch
But that’d mean you replace one of your specials
steep jungle
T. Yuuka in Tiph makes things harder.
rare arch
Wdym
languid oriole
only on jp
languid oriole
she have t9 hat rn
the other 2 are t7
wait till x2 normal to farm t7 and t8 gears before steamrolling section 21 to 24 for t9
rare arch
Holy kaiju
regal arrow
Can't find a single Kaede
these oshigure comp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lS-MWD1nqc
steep jungle
Ay yo nice
cosmic parrot
Can't find a single Kaede
again the issue is no crit buffer
other than oshig sub
mika without cdmg buff is
rare arch
Your other options are copetori which is cope
steep jungle
I sure as hell can't bet to T. Yuuka here 
languid oriole
Pretty sure I saw kokona used on f99
rare arch
Her blue armor doesn’t really help here
rare arch
Tyuuka in set 
steep jungle
Blue Set in particular
rare arch
Why there
steep jungle
Why there
4 glass shielded with fat barriers and Kuroko and S. Hoshino can take the brunt
languid oriole
blue set is comfy
steep jungle
I say 4 but its 3 and T. Yuuka
languid oriole
rare arch
Set is never comfy
languid oriole
funny how the only 2 armour type i can do properly is also the 2 i clowned myself on bc i lack them when i was new
cosmic parrot
I sure as hell can't bet to T. Yuuka here <:UiSweat:1075816127571165224>
why didnt pull tyuuka
steep jungle
Blue Set is leagues easier
cosmic parrot
steep jungle
why didnt pull tyuuka
I HAVE T. Yuuka
languid oriole
Blue Set is leagues easier
red set is demanding
cosmic parrot
bruh then what
rare arch
S hoshino stealing the shield perhaps?
steep jungle
I can't get to afford my pathetic ass getting wooped
languid oriole
S hoshino stealing the shield perhaps?
steep jungle
And yes, S. Hosh shield thief
rare arch
Can s hoshino survive all the way to wave 5 without shields on f100
cosmic parrot
u havent seen how pathetic my 3* tyuuka was on top of shosh stealing shield
languid oriole
Can s hoshino survive all the way to wave 5 without shields on f100
yes
considering oshig on the team
cosmic parrot
with rio on tyuuka im basically gambling twice that shosh doesnt steal any single shield
languid oriole
she can self heal with basic skill and oshig heal everyone with basic
cosmic parrot
Can s hoshino survive all the way to wave 5 without shields on f100
f116 even
rare arch
If I try to clear goz insane then I’m somewhat set for f100 tiphareth
languid oriole
If I try to clear goz insane then I’m somewhat set for f100 tiphareth
guess ill brick on extreme
didnt have time to do f99 tiph
rare arch
You don’t have tyuuka
steep jungle
I'd unironically take Goz over Tiph
rare arch
Id try to see how far I can do the funny on tiphareth
quiet jewel
why does high red set use dako + oshig instead of bnatsu + skikyou?
golden smelt
Home cooked f99 
steep jungle
why does high red set use dako + oshig instead of bnatsu + skikyou?
actually tried and tested. also 99% of the time, the former have higher investments than the latter.
native ocean
Maybe cuz DAko also support some dmg?
pseudo grove
why does high red set use dako + oshig instead of bnatsu + skikyou?
the simple reason is ako hits hard
the other reason is def
set is "low def" but her NS is actually over 8% dps increase when active
natsu's sugar buff is anywhere between 4% and 10% on visual marker and nothing else
and I guess you don't have to worry about the hammock dying or stealing kokonas
and I don't know if natsu is eligible for the izumiku social distancing strat
the main appeal of natsu is the atk down but it hasn't been needed yet
dps was the bigger bottleneck
that may change with ue4
peak mantle
EXCUSE ME ??!
pseudo grove
yes, just one sugar
it's dogshit
peak mantle
yes, just one sugar
it's dogshit
paired with natsu band and it becomes a deadly support weapon for yoshimi band
mu grammar istg
bro😭
this keyboard gets me fucked up
steep jungle
What about whrn lv5?
peak mantle
What about whrn lv5?
signal belfry
Dayum
Just replacing Part-timer Sumire, who was really just there cuz i ran out of students with a DOT that doesn't overwrite someone else, with a healer was enough for me to het past F25
& just continue my run
Also the healer i went with is Regular Ayane
A bigger heal would have been ideal, but for what i'm comfortable with, she gets the job done
signal belfry
Beaten up to F26
Ooh boy
Starting at F27 & up ro F34, my roster besides the newest i got are only 14 or 15 lvls overleveled bow
As my team team currently is, it kinda gets me locked in, but really it feels more like i'm only having medium difficulty
At most
So still very doable
Bruh, literally the only reason i had to restart F 27 is cuz I accidentally used regular Shizuko's cover instead of Ayane, which moved Meru to a very terrible spot
Yes, a spot so terrible, it required a restart
signal belfry
Hmmm, hit another wall at 28. Chearleader Hibiki, Swimsuit Iori & Swimsuit Saori feel less important then Reijo here
& i already have plenty of DOTs
So i think i'l replace Rio with Chinatsu
Atleast for now
Cuz really, those 3 feel the most important
Yeah I already have regular Ayane in, but now my heals are more frequent by doing that
rare arch
Just replacing Part-timer Sumire, who was really just there cuz i ran out of stu...
She doesn’t have dot
Weakness detection is not a damage over time debuff
clever blaze
i went try f104 mika strat on 106....... with ue60 still not enough dmg
it went p2 as same time as ref though
rip i dont wanna raise q.marina /u.neru
signal belfry
She doesn’t have dot
I know. She was basicly just placed as filler for my last slot on the 1st 24 floors
At F25, i replaced her with regular Ayane, who could give a pretty solid heal to 3 students at a time (for it's possitioning)
& on F28, i haven't tried it yet cuz i dozed off in my bed during a short break, so i'll try later, but for now i replaced Rio with regular Chinatsu
Cuz i already have plenty of dots
rare arch
I see
signal belfry
& atm i'm not sure if i need my heals a bit more frequently or just more damage, so if more frequent heals doesn't work, i'll try replacing with either an ally attack buffer (I don't think I have any piercing effectiveness buffer) or a piercing attack type attacker
rare arch
You don’t need that much healing
There’s only one lethal attack you need healing which happens every minute
signal belfry
Mhm, trying it 1st though, cuz most of the time, my cover placement is just barely not precise enough to block the fire breath for everyone
So then that 1 student, i heal for now
Ngl i kinda have a habit in this mode of having teams that focus to much on the gimmicks in the earlier floors, but gets improved with every wall
lone comet
my rot was kinda random bs go but eventually got it (f100) with 1s left
cshiroko atk down really is huge
rare arch
It really is that important
lone comet
cshiroko+ibuki is 1/4 dmg taken
rare arch
Impressive
lone comet
no imari so locked to 2 neru per groggy, able to precharge 1 spirit
just one more frr to beat (and tip yellow)
which i could have beaten last time if i had ue50 kuroko
cosmic parrot
imagine clearing f100s
lone comet
imagine clearing f100s
how do you not have blue set...
cosmic parrot
no kok
lone comet
anyway with your new bnatsu red set should be easy
languid oriole
https://youtu.be/9ND4A0ag-3E?si=KUT3Cjhxl6AElDlL
i can finally borrow reijo if i get lucky in sao sao banner
rare arch
True
pseudo grove
don't bother
signal belfry
get a yellow dps
When i hit another wall, i'll try that
steep jungle
maybe after yellow tiph ill do it
How is it that your first f100 clear is the one that has the most BS?
Well, maybe the 2nd most bs FRR
or 3rd?
cosmic parrot
How is it that your first f100 clear is the one that has the most BS?
i love tiph
couldnt rly clear the other f100s anyway
figured id go for tiph as my first f100
cosmic parrot
yellow chok no imari s.ui reijo
blue chok too hard didnt bother (i forgo which students i lacked
red set yea no
blue set no kok nyakari
steep jungle
no need Reijo
cosmic parrot
i did clear blue set f99
pseudo grove
kok and nyakari aren't needed
steep jungle
No need ACari too
steep jungle
myf100 didn't need ACari
cosmic parrot
no need Reijo
well no s.ui was like death before seia uneru
steep jungle
ok that one fair
pseudo grove
what even is f100 chok without s.ui
seia literally peaks higher
cosmic parrot
seia literally peaks higher
yea before her
now i did 99 with seia
but idk if i wanna invest more for 100
well later ig
after i do f100 yellow tiph
languid oriole
don't bother
:Iroha_sigh:
hollow anchor
PLEASE
Dude, when the people I borrow from give me a list to guide and grow my account, I end up not playing for 3 months
You can't convince these people
Give them all the ways you can improve and at their lowest points they'd still find a way to brick their acc, like me
signal belfry
Kotama was what i needed for F28
Ngl. My strikers pick could deffinetly be better, but considering how badly i need the cover during frenzy mode, i think i got a team in terms of of special students
hollow anchor
Or, borrow uneru and pass 50 already
signal belfry
Eh, as crazy as it sounds, i like to take the long way & fight each floor 1 by 1
& imo unless it's intentional toxic or smth (for obvious reasons), the way atleast most games are supposed to be played is the way the player wants to play it
Which ofc varries from player to player
ruby fjord
I can tell you are already bricked in several ways so yeah, just play the way you will enjoy it
pseudo grove
there's a reason "sandbox" is a descriptor; most games do have an intended way of play
better watch your words or someone will report you to joexyz
I didn't mean you to actually delete it lmao, I was half-joking becase it actually happened to me
spark epoch
better watch your words or someone will report you to joexyz
Okay I deleted it.
I saw your incident the other day.
pseudo grove
It was a great point
especially since these are gameplay-oriented spaces and people are inclined to help by default
signal belfry
I can tell you are already bricked in several ways so yeah, just play the way yo...
...Huh?
What's that supposed to mean in this context?
cosmic parrot
Okay I deleted it.
I saw your incident the other day.
i mean some treat this chat as a chitchat chat (no pun intended) but unlike gph/gpd people do whatever here
ruby fjord
Kotama was what i needed for F28
- No Pyronexes saved for Fest
- You shouldn't be that low on credits at your level
- 999/210 AP
- Spending eligma on farmable units (and that aren't really good like C.Hibiki)
cosmic parrot
so im not rly mad when people do whatever/ not listen to advice
ruby fjord
That's what it means being bricked
But again, just play the way you will enjoy it, that's all it matters
signal belfry
1) No Pyronexes saved for Fest
2) You shouldn't be that low on credits at your l...
- I spent them on the band gals, especially the limited ones & i prefer to get as many students as possible, regardless of what type
- I like lvling up all of my students, plus that should eventually start gettinf fixed when i reach lvl 90 (currently only account lvl 75
- usually a sweep a lot but I haven't played the event yet & i will spend it on it after i hit a wall in FRR that i can't get past (at the rate i'm going, I get the feeling it's either when chokmah gets a higher lvl then my students)
&
- I'm more of a casual player & like to really upgrade whenever I can & let's be real, better a casual then a sweater)
(The Gif involved part is just me joking)
cosmic parrot
ur hitting invisible walls by bringing an apple and scissors into a dungeon
ruby fjord
"i prefer to get as many students as possible, regardless of what type"
Fest has double drop rate... so your chances of getting more students are higher there
signal belfry
But again, just play the way you will enjoy it, that's all it matters
Eh, fair
ruby fjord
"I like lvling up all of my students, plus that should eventually start gettinf fixed when i reach lvl 90"
And not it won't... you are just going to ran out of resources and will end up having lots of students unable to get more than a few levels after a while
Well, right now you are surely hitting that problem anyway
signal belfry
"i prefer to get as many students as possible, regardless of what type"
Fest ha...
Yeah but if ya get students during their banner period, ya do get 100 elephs from the get-go
pseudo grove
🪝🐟 again
signal belfry
"I like lvling up all of my students, plus that should eventually start gettinf ...
Every single 1 of my students exept for my newest recruited ones are actually lvl 69 or 70 rn
I see
pseudo grove
even if this guy really means it, he's not changing his mind
ruby fjord
I know, that's what I have been saying they can just play however they want if that brings enjoyment to them
signal belfry
That i agree on yeee
ruby fjord
But that enjoyment is going to be short lived since they won't get any progression after certain point 
flint prawn
Just quit fast enough to avoid it 
cosmic parrot
momoitrue
pseudo grove
reminds me of a time I used to get pretty heated over people using cheats to avoid permadeath in "roguelike" games
it was the same argument about playing the game how they wanted, but it made the games really short and boring
signal belfry
Eh, really the only times my enjoyment ended where for some time where V3 hieronymous (hit that wall for a couple of months when i used to be lvl w there) & the conquest in VF
Other then those 2, I never really had that happen
spark epoch
It was a great point
Thank you.
spark epoch
so im not rly mad when people do whatever/ not listen to advice
I’m not that mad at people not listening per se.
It’s just painful to watch a bunch of people getting repeatedly baited by a single ***** and wasting their time and energy for nothing.
signal belfry
Eh, as crazy as it sounds, i like to take the long way & fight each floor 1 by 1...
Also online cheaters are a whole different thing. It's why I said "unless it's intentionally toxic or smth"
cosmic parrot
ill tell others theyre not accepting any advice for the moment
signal belfry
...Huh?
cosmic parrot
are you?
flint prawn
If they don't actively asking for help i assume they don't need any
sage fractal
You just learn to recognize that some people aren't looking for advice or help. I already have a shortlist of a few such people, and I do not bother with them anymore
cosmic parrot
if not then ur wasting others time by not saying that and not listening to them either
bad for both sides
sage fractal
And another shortlist of a few people I refuse to engage with
cosmic parrot
no one sees you and immediately knows ur doing this on purpose (not borrowing good students etc
and you dont tell them you are either
sage fractal
And yes, that's one of the issues. A lot of people just assume you're a clueless duck who never had anyone help you in the past, unlike a few of us who specifically remember you and your playstyle
pseudo grove
If they don't actively asking for help i assume they don't need any <:ArisShrug:...
many people don't assume that though
and it leads to spam, essentially
signal belfry
are you?
It's more that i am doing a bit of both. I play the way i lile to play it, but i do atleast try to listen to advice, even if i sometimes moreso keep it in mind apply it later, when I start needing to use it
signal belfry
if not then ur wasting others time by not saying that and not listening to them ...
Wasting time is not quite the intention
Neither is spamming
signal belfry
And yes, that's one of the issues. A lot of people just assume you're a clueless...
Mhm, that's a fair point
cosmic parrot
ukw im out its getting messy here 
cosmic parrot
this isnt even the right chat to start with
sage fractal
Wasting time is not quite the intention
Even if it isn't, the people helping you may feel that way because you're just putting all suggestions in the backburner. I think the best way forward is, if you want to do your progress reports in these channels, politely decline all given help, saying "yes I am aware, but I'm doing this my way, no intention to change. Provide suggestions if you want, but I'm not going to change until I hit a wall"
That's the easiest way to avoid all these awkwards situations
flint prawn
many people don't assume that though
and it leads to spam, essentially
Always was lowkey surprised how much some regulars are emotionally invested into stranger's accounts. Like actively begging "don't do that please, its brick" 5 times.
But people have best intentions I guess
pseudo grove
yeah that's just how it is
signal belfry
Even if it isn't, the people helping you *may* feel that way because you're just...
Putting it in the backburner is not exactly accurate, because yeah i didn’t use it imeadiatly, but i did keep the necessary types of students in mind and used more and more of it the further i progressed
Like i was reccomend things atleast 1 healer & buffers & yeah i didn't use it on the 1st 24 floors, but with every wall I had hit, i did make sure to remember that advice and used more and more of it
sage fractal
Putting it in the backburner is not *exactly* accurate, because yeah i didn’t us...
Ye but most people giving help and advice are doing it with the mindset of "this person needs it asap they're doing it wrong". Most helpers aren't interested in providing future tips
signal belfry
Yeee ok those points are both fair and understandable yee
1 other bad habit i do admit i also have, is that specially with any kind of raid that i never fought before in previous sessions (Chokmah is 1 of them) is that when i first start fighting it, i have a tendency to focus entirely on the gimmicks (exept Binah cuz he doesn't really have a unique gimmick iirc), though at the very least it does atleast improve either
- The further i get
And / or
- On a future session
No, make it too bad habits that i admit, cuz i also admit that i can be to much of a watch and learn kinda player
languid oriole
people get angry if others are not listening to advices
genuinely holding back on not calling them R
rare arch
I just prefer to figure out the boss mechanics first and then teambuild second
faint portal
genuinely holding back on not calling them R
wat the R word
languid oriole
wat the R word
more extreme way of calling someone dumb
languid oriole
I just prefer to figure out the boss mechanics first and then teambuild second
itd be better for him to just play the game in silent and watch guides on youtube instead of being here asking for advices and turn into brick wall that people talk to
signal belfry
genuinely holding back on not calling them R
cosmic parrot
dont mind him
signal belfry
https://tenor.com/view/pinching-the-bridge-of-my-nose-nik-popovic-nik-nocturnal-...
2 things there
- I'm trying to listen to advice...
&
- Even if not necessarily for advice, I just like to talk about the game every now & this is simply just the place for about FRR
Damn...
rare arch
I got a ghost ping here before that message did something happen
signal belfry
itd be better for him to just play the game in silent and watch guides on youtub...
Gee! Not every talk about the mode or really anything in the game has to be for advice.
languid oriole
Gee! Not every talk about the mode or really anything in the game has to be for ...
it kinda frustrating to see such a team comp
signal belfry
dont mind him
Alr alr...
rare arch
Bond 300 iwak for red set
signal belfry
it kinda frustrating to see such a team comp
What does the word comp mean again?
languid oriole
What does the word comp mean again?
composition
you playing the raid and fulfill the mechanic
but like
the fulfill the mechanic you doing is just to help you deal maximum damage to the boss
except
you dont have anyone to fulfill that role of actually doing damage
at your level you aslest have like momoi or iori
signal belfry
I do have both of them yeee
languid oriole
actually momoi is obvious bc shes 2*
languid oriole
I do have both of them yeee
use them
if you actually built them bc looking at your team comp i afraid you cant even use them bc you used all of your resources on dot students
cover is the same
rare arch
Crazy how even a maxed out iwak isn’t enough to pop f100 red set balls
languid oriole
bc you dont use borrow you cant kill chokmah before he enter phase 2
or aslest
kill him before he breath at your students
dont need to be your level bc tbh from section 1 and 2 lv50 prob work fine
but like
shizuko and shimiko
you prob dont build them
cosmic parrot
Crazy how even a maxed out iwak isn’t enough to pop f100 red set balls
pensive
rare arch
This might be why you need d hina to pop the balls
signal belfry
use them
Though i do admit i've got a habit of my initial team being overly focused on the gimmicks, yet improving with every wall & ngl i've never been that good at setting up my team pre battle, but i do get locked in in the battles themselves
signal belfry
cover is the same
As for cover, those are the only 2 cover students i got period
languid oriole
all you need is cover
languid oriole
As for cover, those are the only 2 cover students i got period
you only need 1
rare arch
Up to f49
signal belfry
2 is for phase 2 if you dont have repo on your team
That's exactly why i have 2
signal belfry
you prob dont build them
I build just about everyone I have really
rare arch
Imagine using copetori
languid oriole
Imagine using copetori
languid oriole
I build just about everyone I have really
remind me of myself when i was lv60 and under
but
that is when i play without guide
rare arch
Me when I did chokmah for the first time
I just put random students because I didn’t have a good enough dot dps
languid oriole
i dont even use one
rare arch
But the only borrows that helped me were on the same level as mine
languid oriole
until i get bricc on section 3
rare arch
And also 90% of the time my game crashed
signal belfry
Me when I did chokmah for the first time
This is actually my first session fighting chockmah
rare arch
I didn’t bother with blue chokmah rerun I think
signal belfry
Or really my 3rd session on this mode period
rare arch
Yellow chokmah first time around was just pain
signal belfry
The previous 2 being Tiphareth & that 1 god that comes from V1 C3
rare arch
Nobody had a dot dps borrow
So I could only get to f30 or so
So that’s when I joined this server
signal belfry
Also what's repo?
signal belfry
Aah so like Asuna & Izuna
rare arch
Kinda
hollow anchor
Fury?
cosmic parrot
they self repo
signal belfry
Moving students somewhere
Ooh yeah, more like students who make other students move like Minori, Track Haruna or Swimsuit Shizuko
cosmic parrot
mimori
languid oriole
rare arch
Repo for what exactly
languid oriole
Repo for what exactly
move students closer so you only need to put 1 cover
cosmic parrot
dont mind him
signal belfry
What i'm gonna do. As i progress to further floors, i'm gonna focus on improving my balance between dot & dps 1st
languid oriole
I dunno about how that works
it niche
rare arch
Aight sure
languid oriole
unless for whatever reason you want to save cost for student dps instead of replacing cover to survive
signal belfry
What i'm gonna do. As i progress to further floors, i'm gonna focus on improving...
Then see how i improve my situation with the cover
rare arch
After cafe resets I’m gonna test how close cover needs to be to chokmah to solo cover p2
flint prawn
Repo only matters in tiphareth
Dako does meaningful damage in red Set if you move her away from obelisk. S.hoshi too, even if a bit lower.
Thats big part of the reason why s.eimi good
rare arch
How many dps options do you run in set?
flint prawn
What do you mean how many?
Minimally 1 main and 1 for orb, add more if you miss supports
languid oriole
flint prawn
Why is Hare there always was mystery for me
rare arch
It’s forever a mystery
languid oriole
Why is Hare there always was mystery for me
she somehow survive
languid oriole
oh i though chare
flint prawn
She probably pops ball at very low floors 
rare arch
C hare dies before you count to 5 I’m sure
She has light armor and gets absolutely annihilated by set attacks
rare arch
Dawg nothing is surviving in set
rare arch
My least favourite boss after all
rare arch
You must use blue armored students or you’re dead
rare arch
Id probably remove set from the game if I could
languid oriole
i have alot of renge to borrow
sage fractal
Ye, I tried F50 when I was level 70 or something, wiped within 1 minute
languid oriole
Ye, I tried F50 when I was level 70 or something, wiped within 1 minute
bc you use borrow
we giving guide to a guy who doesnt like to borrow
rare arch
I can relate
sage fractal
Set is awful even with Yoshimi Band borrow
Because you genuinely have survival problems
rare arch
I could only make it to f55 of red set
Blue set only up to f50 because I didn’t bother with the rest
My team probably died halfway through except borrow kuroko
sage fractal
On F74, Red Set has almost 50% more HP than Blue Set
And Blue Set is the one with the auto delete button called Kuroko
Red Set, you need something to cut Yoshimi Band's 10 cost or you're still stuck
Or you just cope with cost recovery, that works too
rare arch
Iwak is good all around
So cost regen isn’t that big of an issue there
Cost reduction however
languid oriole
im bet the next frr raid gonna be purple attack with red/purple armour
rare arch
What if it isn’t
sage fractal
Cost reduction however
Das why you have both Kokona and Hoshino Swimsuit to help out
rare arch
You wouldn’t bother doing red set without s hoshino
But not having kokona is a problem
quiet jewel
nah if you don't have kok ngl I don't think you have so many buffs to rotate through that you're running out of cost
spark epoch
Red Set, you need something to cut Yoshimi Band's 10 cost or you're still stuck
You don’t really need cost halving for Band Yoshimi in Set because cost regen is fast in FRR.
Cost down like S. Shiroko and Kokona are handy, though.
sage fractal
Bro look at these absurd numbers
rare arch
sage fractal
Not even full ATG yet
languid oriole
Bro look at these absurd numbers
and that is just 50% of what he actually dealt
what a balanced raid
:fun:
sage fractal
No shit, bro does 400-500% of his attack
rare arch
Oh my god
Also the boss groggy is so lame
You’re probably either dead by then or you already defeated the boss
sage fractal
Chokmah has higher attack than Set at high floors, but you only worry about tanking Chokmah's missile rain
Whereas every bloody attack from Set is a nuke
rare arch
To be fair
Being hit by lightning hurts
But also that’s horrifying
With chokmah it’s my just the missile rain
On tiphareth you can kinda survive by using shields or repo aoba
sage fractal
Ye, that's the thing with the other FRR bosses: you play around mechanics for the most part
Set is "yeah no, you just facetank all this shit"
flint prawn
Its not like you can't bring shielder too
sage fractal
Problem is DPS loss
sage fractal
It's very rough on higher floors, but you probably can make do if you're doing F74
Also, you need to cycle back to shielding really fast
Cos there's a lot of attacks from Set
flint prawn
Thats what you do in that ATG 3, cycle healers/shielders largely ignoring damage rotations
rare arch
The cost though
sage fractal
You kinda have no choice, heal spam is needed to just not die
Which kinda makes sense when your main DPS is AA
languid oriole
Being hit by lightning hurts
kuroko when 2 pillars get destroy at the same time
flint prawn
https://youtu.be/pxkGg_Slqw4?si=bUyfRe_uLQ6WJgKn that works too I guess
sage fractal
You kinda just have to, at the highest floors
You straight up don't kill it till groggy
flint prawn
Low effort strat is kill it before phase 3 with over invested team and call it a day
sage fractal
That stops working at some point
I dunno where that point is
Probably somewhere around 100-104 at best
After that you just have to facetank ATG3
rare arch
I guess the worst part about set is literally everything
flint prawn
Best part is chance to use Nonomi 
sage fractal
Best part is chance to use Nonomi <:IchikaHappy:1270052784233779221>
Hell yea, getting to use my wife in a swimsuit
Actually, that's it
I should start focusing more on Red Set, it's my excuse to raise Ako Dress and Nonomi Swimsuit
I am a genius 
rare arch
It’s an excuse to prepare for yellow tiphareth
When the red core description says it does 1400% dmg to allies it means when it’s hitting the labourers right
pseudo grove
I don't know if killing him before phase 3 is possible but it's pretty close https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afMFRkrX5i8
languid oriole
I don't know if killing him before phase 3 is possible but it's pretty close htt...
what phase 3
pseudo grove
atg 3
spark epoch
I don't know if killing him before phase 3 is possible but it's pretty close htt...
Is that F110 strategy on F100 
NY Izumi spook and NY Izumi borrow are still nowhere to be found for me. 
pseudo grove
110 rotation slightly modified for more izumiku uptime
but it does give an idea how mad of a jump 100->110 is
cosmic parrot
baldshino
is it just me or is there a bug
that qmarina does less dot dmg than usual
in some runs
mustve been the wind
rare arch
that qmarina does less dot dmg than usual
That depends on your buff uptime
cosmic parrot
not in general but like certain ticks
like even with the same buffs it sometimes drop from 38% to 27%
rare arch
There’s variance to dot damage
cosmic parrot
some runs had 1st unstable flame even before it shoots first missiles
some not even after qmarina dot finishes
rare arch
Smg stab variance is rather high
lone comet
https://youtu.be/v-2EZ00EuAo
Where uneru 
cosmic parrot
benched 
lone comet
You have 20k ligma
rare arch
Uneru was what carried me to f100 clear
cosmic parrot
where hw
cosmic parrot
no s.ui
lone comet
Real healer still optional for chok
No imari just means you just get 2 uneru max per groggy
lone comet
You need imari team cost down and cheap cycle to rotate back for 3
Too expensive cycle
rare arch
I think I was able to make uneru 3 ex work for groggy without imari
lone comet
With imari you can do 3 full back to back uneru
rare arch
Or seia even
cosmic parrot
still feel like mika comfier as you can fit 3 + 1 mika burst in a groggy
lone comet
Why are you using rio
cosmic parrot
cus comfy
rare arch
You’re not meant to use Rio or something?
cosmic parrot
not too compulsory
lone comet
You want aoe atk buff ideally
uncut lodge
if you want to play safe kotama is the way to go
but at extreme high floor you need rio for maximum burst dmg
lone comet
Ibook rat is more atk down and more consistent dot as kotama chise
uncut lodge
yea, chise dot is only 10% proc rate, very inconsistent
lone comet
Rat is perm, cool rat is 66% up
cosmic parrot
yea, chise dot is only 10% proc rate, very inconsistent
wait what??
lone comet
Read the skills arch
cosmic parrot
i thought her basic was guaranteed
rare arch
i thought her basic was guaranteed
It’s her subskill
rare arch
Not even close
cosmic parrot
oh bruh
rare arch
Actually boshi only has 20% proc chance
uncut lodge
Rat is perm, cool rat is 66% up
note, skater rat needs bond gear t2 to even have dot effect at all...
lone comet
She does work ofc but it’s inconsistent
lone comet
isnt it same as bhosh
Bosh is 20% chance, hits 3 times on her aa and attacks quite fast
Chise is 10%, hits 1 time on aa and attacks slower
Even tho both can retrigger while active chise triggers one in every 10 shots, bosh is 1.66 shots
Sorry meant to reply arch
All shotgun units fire 3 pellets
rare arch
I see
lone comet
Except reisa (6) cos she fires both barrels
rare arch
Neat
lone comet
And Kanoe is 1 cos it’s a blunderbuss
faint portal
and b.hoshino uses shotgun, so 3 hits per shot
woah
i thought she just shoot very fast
sage fractal
F66, my DoT is far too weak tbh
I tried 74, Aru Dress sometimes gets one shot (she needs more levels), and I do too little dmg to force balls early enough for ball cancel
Getting UE30 Kokona and Yuuka Track for Geb helped a lot for this fight too, I no longer need Shigure Hot Spring
So that frees up a slot for Tsubaki Guide
cosmic parrot
F66, my DoT is far too weak tbh
is seia basic even buffing qmarina
sage fractal
is seia basic even buffing qmarina
Neru School
cosmic parrot
actually nvm wtf are the rest of the strikers even
omegalul
id let seia buff qmarina though
for faster(more) dot
sage fractal
I'll think about that for higher floors
First Rio goes to Marina Qipao, but subsequent Rio goes to Neru School
Cos I can cycle 6 rounds per Duel Time
cosmic parrot
ehhh
im not actually sure if uneru is better in that case
since ur moving ur buffers to uneru
actually
sage fractal
I have to, I need to force out balls for ball cancel
cosmic parrot
are u even supposed to buff uneru while stacking stacks
sage fractal
Otherwise this whole thing collapses
sage fractal
This is Boshilet Kisakilet cope
cosmic parrot
drop gtsubaki for shizuko?
sage fractal
Unraised
sage fractal
This goes to 74 max, no way to push further without changing the whole comp
I think with more invest on Marina Qipao, levels on everyone to not die, this clears 74
The Rio copy isn't all that great after the initial cycle because I can cycle back to Marina Qipao pretty consistently
It's only for early headstart
If I slotted in Hare Camp, however...
Also, I just realized
I can only do Heavy Chokmah, not Special Chokmah
cosmic parrot
I can only do Heavy Chokmah, not Special Chokmah
wait why
ssaori can solo f99 with 1 cover even
sage fractal
She does? Huh
sage fractal
I mean, I can't get past 74
There's no way that's happening as long as Kokona is my healer
I'll test and see if Saori Swimsuit solo 74 is viable without Kisaki
I got Tsubaki Guide, Rio, Aru Dress and Kayoko NY, I think I can make something out of it
uncut lodge
b.shiroko is now redeemable in the raid shop. with her your kokonut will live without shield
cosmic parrot
sage fractal
I mean, no Boshi
Wtf am I gonna run for tank anyway
Might as well just use Yuuka Track since she's already invested
uncut lodge
you don't have mika either?
sage fractal
Unraised
It's too expensive to raise main DPS for this, cheaper to cope raise DoT just enough for the stacks
uncut lodge
cosmic parrot
me when i dont raise my dps for completely different reasons
sage fractal
I assume Kayoko NY just dies without Shiroko Cycling here
uncut lodge
mika is very worth full investment. anything yellow, she can work. not yellow, she might work too with proper buffs
cosmic parrot
thats blue atk so yea
sage fractal
mika is very worth full investment. anything yellow, she can work. not yellow, s...
Ok but I'm out of Trinity mats and Fes is coming soon
If I'm stocking up on Trinity mats it's for them, not Mika
uncut lodge
surprise, the fes unit is... purple mika :V
uncut lodge
and swimsuit nagi
clear ice
Yeah, bc 100 free pulls first
sage fractal
Yeah, bc 100 free pulls first
No, I meant who to raise
signal belfry
I'm gonna replace 1 of my striker students with either an ally attack buffer or a piercing DPS, but i'm not sure who, so pick 1 to replace. Either Swimsuit Iori (her dot is a basic skill) or Swimsuit Saori (heavy armor chokmah is resistant against her EX their direction hits)
sage fractal
Even if Nagisa Swimsuit banner was first, I will wait and raise Seia Swimsuit first
uncut lodge
support units are relatively cheap to raise, just max the relevant skills and make them moderately good at survival then you are golden
hell you don't even need survival for special units like s.nagi
clear ice
No, I meant who to raise
I mean S.Seia is kiki striker and S.Nagisa has unique skill and can use at most raids
sage fractal
Seia Swimsuit still first no matter what
I can live without Nagisa Swimsuit for a bit
signal belfry
I'm gonna replace 1 of my striker students with either an ally attack buffer or ...
Oh on top of that question, I already have regular Kotama for the attack buff, so which is more important to add rn? A student that buffs others or a yellow dps?
sage fractal
when you dont have kisaki or iwak for cost rev
Niya roughly fulfills the same role as Shiroko Swimsuit for this fight tbh, as cost recovery sub and to activate Ballista
languid oriole
ig that work
sage fractal
Oh on top of that question, I already have regular Kotama for the attack buff, s...
This answer depends on:
- Who's getting the buffs
- What buffs are you providing
- Who is the DPS replacement you have in mind and how raised are they
sage fractal
Bro did you mistake this place for gpd
signal belfry
This answer depends on:
- Who's getting the buffs
- What buffs are you providing...
-
Mainly Q Marina & Meru get the buffs since they're already yellow attackers
-
general attack buffs cuz I don't have any that buffs piercing effectiveness
-
I'm thinking of a striker that can either buffs others students or is a yellow dps themself &
-
That 1 replaces either Swimsuit Iori cuz her dot is a basic skills or Swimsuit Saori cuz she is blue attack, which yellow chokmah is resistant against
The part about either buffa or yellow DPS is said because atm can't remember from the top of my head which of the students i got have tha
So it's more a general things rather then about 1 or 2 specific students
signal belfry
* Mainly Q Marina & Meru get the buffs since they're already yellow attackers
*...
Scratch nr. 2
Defense debuffing Chokmah migjt be better cuz then everyone deals more damage here
sage fractal
F68, holy shit this is getting way too close
sage fractal
* Mainly Q Marina & Meru get the buffs since they're already yellow attackers
*...
- Ok, that seems fine
- That answer is not clear. You need to be specific: which skill type (EX, basic or sub), and what type of buff (aura or targeted). "general attack buff" does not give any info, you may just overwrite Kotama's buffs for no good reason (for reference, Kotama is EX AoE targeted)
- Again, you need to be very specific on what buffs they are. Which skill, what type, what buffs. All must be crystal clear. I cannot give you a general answer, only a hyperspecific answer based on your exact team comp and the exact replacement you're using. You may be overwriting Kotama buffs, or you may be giving CDmg buffs to a student who cannot crit, etc etc
- I would replace Saori Swimsuit in this case
sage fractal
Defense debuffing Chokmah migjt be better cuz then everyone deals more damage he...
Chokmah does not have high defense to begin with, so you may end up not getting much out of them. Depends on how much Def Down you are offering, what EX cost etc. If you only have Atk buffers, high chances they overwrite Kotama's buff so you might as well bring Def Down instead, especially if the DPS replacement (pls specify exactly who and how raised for better context) is not going to contribute significantly
signal belfry
- Ok, that seems fine
- That answer is not clear. You need to be specific: which...
Starting from the 2nd 1
-
didn't know buffs from the same kind of scource could overwrite (i only knew dots worked like that)
-
Iirc Aura students buff themselves, while targeted buff others. Then i'm thinking of a targeted attack buff that doesn't overwrite Kotama's
-
preferably an EX that buffs attack damage (though attack speed might also be an option) because i have no students with piercing effectiveness buffs
-
Replacing Swimsuit Saori it is then
signal belfry
Chokmah does not have high defense to begin with, so you may end up not getting ...
How do the buffs work more precisely? What overwrites? What stacks?
Same question for defense debuffs (if i do go with it)
sage fractal
How do the buffs work more precisely? What overwrites? What stacks?
Buff/debuff stacking rules: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JaLxjmimXbiN3zkZG7Cvd7m1ORQ6pDEbGpiN7Yg1GpA/edit?tab=t.0
There's 2 factors to consider: source skill (EX, Basic, Sub and Enhanced) as well as buff type (self, targeted, aura). The same rules apply for all buffs and debuffs
spark epoch
how did I click frr channel
Very understandable.
Sugar Rush <-> Red Set
signal belfry
Buff/debuff stacking rules: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JaLxjmimXbiN3zkZ...
K
I'll check it out after dinner
timid fog
does chokmah go to the final stage while its bound down?
cosmic parrot
does chokmah go to the final stage while its bound down?
no
it waits till it finishes
and checks if its below 30% hp
timid fog
okay, thanks a lot
lone comet
Seia Swimsuit still first no matter what
Just for ref sseia is pretty cheap invest cos she has 1 useless skills and just some healing. Realistically 577x is enough so that saves a lot of purple books. Snagi 57xm is probably enough too.
rare arch
and checks if its below 30% hp
You mean 35% and below?
signal belfry
Let's fucking go
FRR F29 done with 22 seconds left
Used Dress Aru
As Swimsuit Saori's replacement
signal belfry
Ngl
It's like i said
I tend to have a really bad team early
But it improves with every wall
This is how it is rn
did some repositioning simplto only attack my piercing attackers
signal belfry
Yes
doesn't apply dots herself
but does enhance Poison & chill
So in the beggining, i try to use her after 3 dots
rare arch
Do you use her ex before using qmarina
signal belfry
So in the beggining, i try to use her after 3 dots
& i use dress Aru's crit buff on Meru because multihits have a better chance of actually dealing crit damage & the buffs, before the dot
lone comet
You know dots can’t crit
rare arch
Are you aware that dot damage cannot crit
lone comet
Nor can weakness detect
rare arch
You don’t do good direct damage outside of groggy
languid oriole
This is how it is rn
your daru gonna get vaporize
rare arch
Plus chokmah has such a high crit dmg res
lone comet
You don’t actually have a st in that team to deal chok dmg so daru is also largely useless
languid oriole
actually not if the floor is low
lone comet
Yeah low floor you can just stack dots and be fine but then no reason to bring crit buff
signal belfry
your daru gonna get vaporize
i heal all piercing types every now & then though
rare arch
Issue isn’t the healing part
It’s just that the crit dmg buff isn’t useful with your team
signal belfry
You don’t actually have a st in that team to deal chok dmg so daru is also large...
eh, having her in now did heavely improve my run
languid oriole
Issue isn’t the healing part
that and the fact daru is soo weak she prob die with the AA and missle rain
rare arch
If you had a dps
languid oriole
If you had a dps
momoi and iori is free
rare arch
Momoi is eh
signal belfry
It’s just that the crit dmg buff isn’t useful with your team
ngl, i was also considering swimsuit Wakamo, cuz from hat i understood, she deals more damage on enemies wit i believe it was 30% or less HP
rare arch
Aoe dps
lone comet
Yeah even if you’re doing some weird no borrow thing you can still bring iori
languid oriole
Momoi is eh
work aslest
signal belfry
Lemme check smth
rare arch
Maki is also free
signal belfry
regularIori has low terrain combat power though
C
so it goes down a bit in open field
rare arch
Still better to use her here
I don’t know if s wakamo gets use anywhere outside of hod
signal belfry
Is swimsuit Kanna usefull here
lone comet
Maki is also free
In fact typically Meru teams bring maki to fill out her hitcount as extra dps
signal belfry
hmmm
rare arch
Maki has def down on her basic
signal belfry
Don't Have her, no who i can & would borrow from has placed her there
rare arch
You didn’t farm here from total assault shop?
signal belfry
the only ones here that i'd borrow on my current lvl & don't already have are swimsuit Kanna & School Asuna
signal belfry
You didn’t farm here from total assault shop? <:NatsuStareFront:1316487649393119...
i'ts been a bit & iirc, i can't farm that much rn
lone comet
Sounds like you need better friends
rare arch
You prob can’t get maki before chokmah event disappears
signal belfry
i think that on the next wall i hit, i'll add someone who's mainly for the direct damage
lone comet
signal belfry
What? it'd improve the usefullness foor dress Aru (i think)
rare arch
Yeah but who are you gonna add
signal belfry
that'll figure out by then
in which i'll replace 1 of the explosive attackers
i'm considering
Swimsuit Wakamo
lone comet
“I will continue ignoring the key team roles until my bad team can no longer scrape by at the lowest floors”
And swakamo is cc
The boss is cc immune
signal belfry
“I will continue ignoring the key team roles until my bad team can no longer scr...
not exactly
rare arch
Only boss not immune to cc is kaitengers in p1
Hod, wakaboat p1 and yesod pillars in p2 are immune to the effects of cc but cc fills up its cc gauge instead
signal belfry
maybe someone that lowers defense then
signal belfry
cuz i already have buffs from EX skills related to attack & crit
signal belfry
Boss only has 650 def
Hmmm. that's gonna take some figuring out
rare arch
Wdym figuring out
lone comet
We’ve established that chok had an insignificant amount of def…
signal belfry
This is my entire strikers roster rn
rare arch
You bring def debuffs when the bosses have a significant defense
rare arch
This is my entire strikers roster rn
Brother you have s hiyori
signal belfry
yeah on my previous strats, i more focused on buffs & debuff
so i think
that for damage direct damage
signal belfry
i'll replace someone with her
rare arch
Have you considered removing s iori
signal belfry
i'll replace someone with her
Probably 1 of the explosive types will be replaced
signal belfry
Have you considered removing s iori
yeah, but i kept her for a while cuw chill damage
rare arch
You have 2 of the best dot dps for chokmah and reijo
You don’t need that much dot dmg especially at that floor
signal belfry
fair
I'll get to that a bit later
not as in a later floor this time
I mean as in a later time
cuz heading to bed
rare arch
Aight
languid oriole
i knew he have iori
pseudo grove
Just for ref sseia is pretty cheap invest cos she has 1 useless skills and just ...
the heal is also a selfheal
the sub affects heal timings
not top priority but the sub isn't useless
lone comet
the heal is also a selfheal
the sub affects heal timings
not top priority but th...
Yeah but for someone cheaping out on invest it’s plenty
signal belfry
I think i'll try this for now
rare arch
🔥
languid oriole
finally
signal belfry
Ik ik... I tend to be overly focused on the boss' gimmicks early on
But it's like i said
Yeah i starts of bad
But
It improves the further i get
signal belfry
Steat that i figured put for during the battle
If almost full, it's better to wait for Swimsuit Hiyori's gauge next to her healthbar to fill up & then use her EX
rare arch
I got no clue how she works
All I know is that she works better with atk speed buffs
Something about proccing her basic
languid oriole
All I know is that she works better with atk speed buffs
i borrow a ue60 hiyori
doesnt know how she can deal maximum damage and just wonder why her damage is puny