t9 hairpin for more crits, NOW!!!
#🗼final-restriction-release
graceful cradle
dire bane
yeah i thought it'd be funny
fleet kindle
You should use nonomi ex better for the red orb role
That way she can help dps the boss
rigid pine
Best i can do is lv.20 with 1 student down
young sleet
Had to sacrifice a chunk of my reserve eligma to UE50 Yoshimi, and my evening to get the 1:22 timing down for the Hanako heal, but I managed it.
fleet kindle
Pretty much same as well for blue set
dire bane
trying to run a none kokona is rough on the cost
fleet kindle
Ue40 yoshimi can clear f100 too actually
Ue50 just make it faster
celest spindle
Pretty much same as well for blue set
~~i mald red Set too much and now i remember the whole skill cycle ~~
so curse
dire bane
not like i have much choices anyways oh well
fleet kindle
I couldnt do blue set that time
Aka couldnt finish f99
Now my girl are ready
Want revenge arc
native ocean
opaque dawn
I think I am the drink
spark epoch
I think I am the drink
Congratulations! Great job!
spark epoch
A clear is a clear!
opaque dawn
run was really lucky lol
also lucky in the sense that I didn't spend more than 1 hour this day
spark epoch
And I am still stuck on F99 
Now I'm starting to think that my F97 clear was mainly luck.
fast saffron
epic anime rpg
spark epoch
I am stuck on F99. Does anybody know what I messed up that caused B. Yoshimi's death during the ATG3 vortex? One or both of B. Yoshimi and D. Ako can't endure the vortex in my run.
minor depot
Perhaps heal earlier? The vortex was going on for a while but you didn't use O.Shigure until it was to late.
spark epoch
Perhaps heal earlier? The vortex was going on for a while but you didn't use O.S...
So I just overwrite the previous O. Shigure when the HP is too low to wait for another tick?
minor depot
Oh, I see. Her heal was still ongoing.
Hm, her ticks are slower than Hanako's.
And Yoshimi didn't have full HP when the vortex started.
What if you heal the moment that horizontal lighting attack happens?
halcyon moss
cant you just use kokona on yoshimi
spark epoch
Oh, I see. Her heal was still ongoing.
I just made another attempt by dropping another O. Shigure during the final vortex, and everybody made it to the end in this run, albeit barely. However, I am missing 6M damage in the end. I was spamming O. Shigure and S. Eimi during 01:35 and 00:40, leaving B. Yoshimi buffless for a prolonged period of time.
spark epoch
cant you just use kokona on yoshimi
I can try this strategy, but I have to skip a round of healing on the pillar. I would need to reposition the team to the other side with S. Eimi.
halcyon moss
the next lighting is around 1:20
i think you can cycle back to kokona in time
ah wait youre doing this with no cost regen
ehh
spark epoch
ah wait youre doing this with no cost regen
I don't have S. Shiroko.
I'm doing this comp.
deft jolt
RRRAAAHHH Floor 100
mossy crown
minor depot
How much does B.Kat need for Set?
I had her at 5777 and F100 boss still had 15x HP left. Cleared it when she was maxed.
Keep in mind that that's only my own experience. It might have been a crit issue or bad rotation. Maybe she's fine with less investment.
onyx salmon
Who should I raise to replace the filler slots for f74?
bold arch
I had her at 5777 and F100 boss still had 15x HP left. Cleared it when she was m...
So I prolly need her maxed
topaz crown
Looks like I need to adjust my rot during 1:40 timer again
B.Yosh is really fragile damn 
topaz crown
Who should I raise to replace the filler slots for f74?
Is that the only striker you have rn?
onyx salmon
those are the only ones with blue and purple armor yes
topaz crown
Ah damn limited option huh
native ocean
Who should I raise to replace the filler slots for f74?
They are actually good enough with ur current state
Like idk if u can even invest like Saori etc
So whoever get highest build atm will be ur best opt
native ocean
okay thanks
U can do smth like C.Kotori instead of Tsubaki but idk if u can keep her alive actually
It cuz the mode doesn't rl need u tank
onyx salmon
yeah Tsubaki is a filler
native ocean
So like another dps to help few mil is better than Tank with lower dmg
Also C.Kotori has Crit buff (cope) on basic for allies, so proly worth
native ocean
But idk how the positioning gonna be
ugh no need to invest
Just use her
Proly like let her die near 1min
If u can't keep her
onyx salmon
she definitely won't survive at 75 lol
native ocean
As far as ur carry and other still doing fine, u are good
native ocean
Ur target is 74 rn right(?)
onyx salmon
yep
onyx salmon
yeah...
okay thanks
guess I can just mess around with available options when I finally get BAiri to 3*
native ocean
wish u best luck
onyx salmon
deft jolt
I got some question, when do you guys refresh Yoshimi's Ex
humble trail
Yoshimi's EX animation ia very long, you definitely do not want to spam it too much. Ideally, you do it as few times as possible to get the best uptime you can, I'd say.
desert cave
ssg whels
native ocean
full willow
fight Set with full band team be like:
full willow
D.Ako died too early so... I end up with lack of dmg...
your team placement seem a bit off in the middle...
why Yoshimi on the right side? she would get hit by set damage debuff
uncut panther
Don't worry, s.hoshino ex cover all (except coconut)
uncut panther
And no, Yoshimi didn't get hit
regal rune
Huh….
uncut panther
My Yoshimi still not completely gear up, so I just try up to f87
regal rune
Why’s my SNonomi getting borrows
or some ppl can't find em
regal rune
maybe someone wanna try
I guess….And my SNonomi is UE50
full willow
zinc rock
I cant do 97 because im somehow lacking damage (around 24mil left) or I just die
pls help, I've tried multiple team, here 2 of them
spark epoch
I cant do 97 because im somehow lacking damage (around 24mil left) or I just die...
Did any of them get ATK-downed? I am running a similar team as your first team, with Kotama replacing Himari, and S. Eimi replacing S. Shizuko.
torpid basin
this is probably the most similar HW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9uXMh5saKE&list=PL_KvBMo1VNtFoidTf_erbVh8ho2NZv4CX&index=15
it has hanako over o shigure though
so you'll need to adapt to that
humble trail
I cant do 97 because im somehow lacking damage (around 24mil left) or I just die...
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I see you've got a S.Shizuko. Are you making sure not to spam her? Repositioning will make you lose DPS as they stop AA, she should be used sparingly as needed.
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Also, Nagisa and Shigure have conflicting sub-skills, which isn't necessarily optimal, but just that is fine.
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Another thing, DPS should never be hit by lightning strike from tower and debuffed. I rarely see DPS on the right side in formations for this reason. You want to always heal left tower and have DPS on right.
zinc rock
Did any of them get ATK-downed? I am running a similar team as your first team, ...
no never atk down-ed, i really dont get why i dont do enough from memory I had something like yosh ~68mil, Hina ~20mil Kazusa ~9mil must be how much I cancel kazusa or something...
torpid basin
are you timing himari to yoshimi's basic?
zinc rock
are you timing himari to yoshimi's basic?
I try but its most likely not that good
humble trail
Kazusa alone isn't supposed to do 24mil more. Esp at 3star
torpid basin
it can be rough, but you just gotta practice
or check multiple different videos and compare
humble trail
Also, make sure to only Yoshimi EX when she has run out of the buffs (or is super close to). Her EX is costly and has a long animation. Casting it just 2 times too many could be fatal.
zinc rock
1. I see you've got a S.Shizuko. Are you making sure not to spam her? Reposition...
I dont really use S.Shizuko in the right screenshot, only once tbh didn't know nagisa and Shigure were conflicted that good to know
torpid basin
this is probably the most similar HW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9uXMh5saKE...
this one ends pretty early (48 seconds left), so you should check this out if you want
plus it's f 99 which is tougher than 97
spark epoch
I was also spamming S. Eimi, thus losing quite a lot of DPS as they stopped AA, but I could still clear F97. The 24 mil shortfall should be due to other issues.
zinc rock
this one ends pretty early (48 seconds left), so you should check this out if yo...
I'll try to adapt with that one thanks! Problem is just survival since Shigure isnt a burst heal
humble trail
I'll try to adapt with that one thanks! Problem is just survival since Shigure i...
Wait, but I thought problem was DPS, but you also have a survival problem too then?
torpid basin
well it's one or the other
humble trail
Usually, hopefully
native ocean
Dont u think that Dhina is in lightning range for atk down
And BKat
That itself should be like 30mil lose dmg?
no maybe 30
torpid basin
well it's possible they use s shizuko to repos at the start
spark epoch
I'll try to adapt with that one thanks! Problem is just survival since Shigure i...
You have a shielder; you can spam them during ATG3. I am running S. Eimi with O. Shigure, which is a very similar setup as yours.
native ocean
Well if they said no one get debuff then let's say it's not that
zinc rock
Wait, but I thought problem was DPS, but you also have a survival problem too th...
left screeenshot die, right one (atsuko, OShigure, Kokona, S Shizuko) survive lol
mostly die at 3ATG when i dont have atsuko
zinc rock
well it's possible they use s shizuko to repos at the start
This 
native ocean
Repos thing rl affect a lot
like are they (dps) still in range of S.Hosh after repos
or B.Kat
Or are u sure not canceling someone's skill when repos
torpid basin
So i was able to get to floor 24 with this lineup
who is the borrow? 
zinc rock
or B.Kat
yeah still in range of every buff, if anything its mostly because of canceling skill or not T9 gear (Kazusa and some specials)
torpid basin
specials gear shouldn't matter that much
minor depot
fight Set with full band team be like:
Where is that from? The artstyle looks familiar.
full willow
Where is that from? The artstyle looks familiar.
@l4ttekim
youtube
minor depot
thanks
mossy crown
I cant do 97 because im somehow lacking damage (around 24mil left) or I just die...
can try this himari's timing
tho do keep in mind the other skill isnt entirely accurate (i forgot to update it)
split kiln
native ocean
🧎♂️
round aspen
me trying my best to copy the guide and keep dying to hp during the 1 minute mark every time
doing more dmg than the guides itself 
native ocean
Maybe u cancel kotama skill
hushed sentinel
doing more dmg than the guides itself <a:MinoriAdios:1286462587797508147>
F100 and stuff boss have damage reduction cuz level gap 
small saffron
desert cave
round aspen
is it worth it to go in for my 600th pull to max Band kazu?
reef thicket
is hina good enough or should i swap her out (she does the least dmg even though im buffing her)? im not clearing stage 34, whose a good alternative?
tropic sky
is hina good enough or should i swap her out (she does the least dmg even though...
borrow someone's BYoshimi
reef thicket
okay will try
tropic sky
oh wait, do you know about the obelisk lightning debuff?
tropic sky
Hina in position 4 had me worried
reef thicket
understandable she doesnt get hit by it though
i also pop the red orb ontop of her and azusa and btoki
my azusa does the most dmg, does that mean i just need to invest more into hina?
tropic sky
you're using no borrows, so by far the biggest jump will be from borrowing someone's fully maxed DPS
tropic sky
reef thicket
im in a club already but no one has put up a byoshimi, i could ask though
merry thunder
im in a club already but no one has put up a byoshimi, i could ask though
you can pray for random borrows
let's go gambling
reef thicket
i looooove gambling
reef thicket
decided to invest more into hina and shes now ue33 4885
reef thicket
i didnt have materials to get it to 40 T_T
merry thunder
which floor you are willing to do though
reef thicket
i havent gotten to those stages hence why i let her be at 4 stars...
just kinda trying to see how far i can get honestly but kinda wanna get to 50
not sure if thats realistic or not but i can try at least
merry thunder
ah
reef thicket
yee.. not really expecting any answers from my club
merry thunder
just keep refreshing for borrows
reef thicket
im only awake cuz im watching a hololive 3d performance
gonna do a try without borrows now that i invested a little into hina
merry thunder
rugged zephyr
99
tardy fractal
i thought band airi was good for set(blue armor, good basic) but i dont seem to see a lot of people using her, is there a reason why?
fast saffron
i thought band airi was good for set(blue armor, good basic) but i dont seem to ...
she's good but she's also a brand new unit people aren't gonna be done investing until the event is over, her dps performance is a bit lackluster due to no watch and there are existing options that outdps her
overall not a bad option if your roster is lacking red aa but if you're challenging high floor set you're probably gonna have someone better
devs really did her dirty by not giving her watch
amulet sandbagging
smh
normal holly
lvl 71
sick tulip
i thought band airi was good for set(blue armor, good basic) but i dont seem to ...
An additional point to add, most people are dedicating the third striker dps slot to somebody who can target the Red Orb, since S.Shiroko cannot do that anymore (alone anyways).
Since B.Airi can’t hit the Red Orb either, it means you need a relevant special slot student to field B.Airi; students like Minori, so to speak, who are significantly rare to have raised.
tardy fractal
An additional point to add, most people are dedicating the third striker dps slo...
i thought dhina would be used to deal with the red orb?
sick tulip
Or quadruple dps strikers are fielded, which comes with its own challenges…
sick tulip
i thought dhina would be used to deal with the red orb?
Exactly right. So if the three dps on the field are D.Hina, B.Yoshimi and B.Kazusa, then there’s no remaining space left to field B.Airi.
Hence why plenty of people aren’t using her
tardy fractal
Exactly right. So if the three dps on the field are D.Hina, B.Yoshimi and B.Kazu...
well i didnt pull for either of the band units so after borrowing byoshimi, im left with an extra slot
sick tulip
In that case, B.Airi is a great choice, if you’d like.
Can point out that it’s still not the only choice, as a variety of red units are attractive alternatives (or at least won’t need to be levelled from scratch), but B.Airi is there for you if you need her.
sick tulip
Yes, it’s enough.
tardy fractal
Can point out that it’s still not the only choice, as a variety of red units are...
what other red options do i have?
sick tulip
There was a video making the rounds because it cleared what I think was F99 with a 2* B.Airi, even.
tardy fractal
dont think imma try to aim that high
sick tulip
what other red options do i have?<:SeiaConfused:1131588560626130954>
Off the top of my head, err… S.Iori, S.Nonomi, Saori, Misaki maybe?
I feel like I’ve heard Megu as a proposal, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a clear
sick tulip
She may, but can you keep her alive?
tardy fractal
probably not after 3 atg
sick tulip
Yellow defence-type on any non-tank is a major liability
I’d only consider it if your normal Hina is has absurdly better investment levels than B.Airi.
And even then… there’s the actual skills to consider as well…
tardy fractal
i havent even leveled up b.airi yet since im not sure if she would work
sick tulip
She’s more than capable in her role as a sub-dps and cycler.
The pertinent considerations are whether she’s best for your team.
Every student matters, after all, when you only have one team to deploy.
tardy fractal
then i might lvl her if hina doesnt work
cold minnow
devs really did her dirty by not giving her watch
Fr i was dissapointed when i saw it wasnt watch
sick tulip
I feel like B.Airi is also lacking attack speed, somewhat, compared to similar units…
Not sure if that’s my imagination or not?
ocean nebula
half iron
mate posted rotation timelines in one of the comments answer
might be helpful to someone, idk
late lily
Have people used megu for red set? She’s red atk with blue armor. I’d have assumed her AA would be decent, but is it not? Or is her damage output just not as competitive as byoshimi, dhina, snonomi, etc.?
sick tulip
I recall it getting discussed at some point amongst a group of theorycrafters, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a run with her.
Megu is an exceedingly rare unit, mind. Not many people have an upgraded one, I think.
She ought to be tanky, at the very least?
late lily
I have her, but it would be a huge opportunity cost to raise her only to find out that it wasn’t worth it
tropic sky
maybe try out some DPS calculations at SchaleDB and see how she stacks up?
late lily
I literally only gave her a few levels for that one front jfd LOL
late lily
maybe try out some DPS calculations at SchaleDB and see how she stacks up?
I’m not experienced enough to know what to make of this… what with Set being AA-based
regal arrow
fos is type a attack speed raid, and i think megu is kind of aoe student rather than attack speed student. i mean shes good but not right choice.
sick tulip
I’m not experienced enough to know what to make of this… what with Set being AA-...
I don’t expect it to outperform many of the traditional Hiero dps from the Insane era, let alone the band units.
tropic sky
I’m not experienced enough to know what to make of this… what with Set being AA-...
under "Normal Attack", SchaleDB gives you an estimated damage per second
sick tulip
Oh, though Arius moods I suspect are Indoor/Urban, so maybe Megu has some merit there
late lily
under "Normal Attack", SchaleDB gives you an estimated damage per second
wouldn’t it be hard to compare raw numbers against byoshimi, since the latter requires invocation of her ex?
tropic sky
looks to me like Megu is just plain worse than DHina at AA DPS
late lily
looks to me like Megu is just plain worse than DHina at AA DPS
jesus
sick tulip
Still, is there really a shortage of strikers to fill the team with, especially on Red Set?
late lily
Still, is there really a shortage of strikers to fill the team with, especially ...
I forget that “unit viability” requires a different mindset for FRR vs. raids
Because for raids, one might be thinking about 2nd or 3rd team
Whereas for FRR, there’s only one team
So whoever doesn’t make the cut stays benched
sick tulip
Yeah, it’s different, and a lot more harsh.
late lily
Yeah, it’s different, and a lot more harsh.
Yeah. I was in the formation screen and saw her atk and armor color, as well as terrain affinity (outdoor), and was like, why haven’t I heard anyone mention her
sick tulip
We are also anchored by the teambuilding nuances we carried over from the blue season.
tropic sky
Megu pays a price for her AOE AA
sick tulip
Blue teams, by and large, didn’t have as many striker options, but the special slots were cramped and contested thanks to NY.Akari.
Red teams are the opposite. We could make an entire team of Red/Blue AA dps if we wanted, but finding special units to fill the other raid roles from the special slot is hard.
I think I personally would have preferred to allow multiple teams into Set, but there’s no use moping over it.
late lily
Nicely put. Thanks
sick tulip
Megu really does have a lot of defence, huh?
Curious that she doesn’t see the emergency tanking usage that Sumire does with those stats
Though I guess that she’s not farmable
tropic sky
cope for outdoor red Chesed
sick tulip
With stats like that, she could be used in outdoor yellow Chesed.
There is the undeniable factor that Outdoor Chesed was possibly the easiest Torment raid that had ever been seen, at the time.
native ocean
clever edge
red set till when again
native ocean
till 2patch
clever edge
inland lava
I need advise
Should I use S izuna over s nonomi?
I want s izuna's crit res shred so that yoshimi can deal more damage
I also have Ny Haruka
but should she replace my himari?
native ocean
Should I use S izuna over s nonomi?
S.Nom i think still perform better compared to S.Izuna since she still does good AA
it will be like 7mil from her alone
her basic is also allies buff (aspd) tbh, that still smth u consider
native ocean
for himari compared to ny.haruka maybe it depends on how ur run
like do u use Himari to buff B.Yosh?
if yes then Himari better, if not then Ny.Haruka with basic debuff proly better
inland lava
like do u use Himari to buff B.Yosh?
I use ako and himari for b yoshimi
the buff is from the different sources so I guess they stack?
native ocean
the buff is from the different sources so I guess they stack?
morelike different type if u mean ako himari
inland lava
yes
native ocean
tbh, it should be better to just use Kotama to all dps
inland lava
despite hyperbuffing b yoshimi?
native ocean
u can still do Ako to BYosh
inland lava
I think I'll replace my himari with ny haruka
native ocean
despite hyperbuffing b yoshimi?
well it just looks kinda waste
u can instead cast other skill
the reason is u have 47% atk buff with 30s uptime instead of 105% with 13s uptime
except u can full spam Himari, Kotama should be doing better
and for Ako, u can do like buffing before B.Yosh doing her basic
since the buff not replacing other, it still considered as good one
S.Hosh > B.Yosh > Kotama > Ako > Kokona on tower > Atsuko > Break orb with S.Nom > Kotama > Ako etc etc it will be something like this ig
or B.Yosh first
minor depot
I need advise
Do you really need a B.Yoshimi for that floor. S.Nonomi and D.Hina might be enough to clear 74 and you can borrow a strong Hanako instead to survive.
inland lava
Do you really need a B.Yoshimi for that floor. S.Nonomi and D.Hina might be enou...
I want a comfy and for some reason I time fail with my team
looks like a skill issue here
but idk
The healing with my current roster is a bit maldy
I think there's a room for improvement
native ocean
Hm, u should be fine tbh
Tho i can only look from comp
Not investment
Can ur SNom break orb?
inland lava
I have not tried yet, I use d hina for that
native ocean
Lemme 74
burnt plover
I have not tried yet, I use d hina for that
do you have something else to replace ako?
s.shiroko?
or O.Shigure?
inland lava
s.shiroko?
I don't have s shiroko nor o shigure
I have nagisa
but her ex does not deal enough damage
for the prb
burnt plover
oh for sure
nagisa is not there to pop the orb
her job is her buffs
u gotta pop the orbs with dhina.
inland lava
too bad I lack trinity orbs
burnt plover
you have s.shizuko?
inland lava
I do
burnt plover
ok you set
inland lava
I built her for set
burnt plover
remove ako, and throw her in.
burnt plover
which floor you trying to clear?
inland lava
I don't have plans to pull for this banner since I want to pull s shiroko
inland lava
ako is good, but I already have her
inland lava
I'm in Sea
burnt plover
Offering
UE50 B.Yoshimi
UE40 O.Shigure
Friend Code : BFUDSRSN
@inland lava
heres my code
you can add me
im sure you can do f74
burnt plover
oh lmk when added
inland lava
oh lmk when added
I did
minor depot
Looks like dmg isn't enough to clear 74 without Yoshimi.
burnt plover
Oh this enough to break f74 orb
100% enough
native ocean
not with that that team
lean gale
native ocean
idc bout title
native ocean
F74
S.Hosh 50s
BYosh 50s
NyHaruka 50s
No wonder there bunch excess Sp
Hanako only used near 2min, Atsuko can alr heal team hp+hanako basic
Need to know when Orb spawn so can just do S.Nom and rotate back to her when Orb appear
That will avoid using Dhina for orb
Need to know when BYosh use her basic to use Ako
yea there bunch room to improve
minor depot
can also do the Nagisa+Shiroko combo to break orb if S.Nonomi isn't available.
blazing ether
does anyone on global (eu) have b.yosh i can borrow?
minor depot
You can check the finding friends section for that. there are a few with a strong B.Yoshimi there.
topaz crown
Looks like I need to change my rot again to survive Bursting Radiance and Thunder Vortex
minor depot
you could max hanako healing. maybe it helps.
spark epoch
Looks like I need to change my rot again to survive Bursting Radiance and Thunde...
Sacrifice some buff uptime to spam healing during ATG3?
topaz crown
I can try that
Tho I need Hanako to survive both Bursting Radiance and Vortex
And I can only use one
zenith crystal
shielder then
topaz crown
No good shielder sadly
I'm Kaedeless and S.Eimiless
My S.Shiz is 3* and I've tried her
Still dead
spark epoch
Tho I need Hanako to survive both Bursting Radiance and Vortex
Do you mean the 01:52 Bursting Radiance and the 01:35 Vortex?
topaz crown
Yeah
Skills before ATG
I managed to survive the red orb lighting by making Atsuko double heal and saved my Hanako
So now I'm stuck on this
spark epoch
You should be able to use Hanako twice if you conserve some cost before the 01:52 Bursting Radiance. You just rotate back to Hanako as fast as possible by throwing skills with low cost.
topaz crown
Wait lemme think
Hanako > Nagi > S.Roko > Kotama > Atsuko > Hanako?
I can change between Nagi S.Roko Kotama B.Kaz
Since all has same cost
spark epoch
For example, I was able to use O. Shigure twice at 01:48 and 01:31 (battle time) in my run. https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1NcySYaEjx
spark epoch
Hanako > Nagi > S.Roko > Kotama > Atsuko > Hanako?
Yeah, just try to find a shorter path. You have S. Shiroko, so it should be even more doable than my team.
topaz crown
Alright then
I still need to record and check how much cost I have during that time before planning
I'll do it tomorrow
Thx for helping
spark epoch
Wow, precisely 04:30.000.
minor depot
did they clear it? it says defeat at the end.
spark epoch
did they clear it? it says defeat at the end.
Ah, I was blind.
inland lava
Feels like himari's ex won't help me much in the set raid, short ex duration + messes up with kotama's buff and rotation if I use her on the top of kotama's buff
Stage 69 clear
Now I have to figure out how to beat stage 74
lmfao s hoshino dealing more damage compared to s nonomi
mossy crown
Feels like himari's ex won't help me much in the set raid, short ex duration + m...
you need to time with with byoshimi basic
it's much worse if u trying to cycle it with ako also
mossy crown
yeah that's the sad truth with it
it's even worse on blue set since sakurako doesnt have burst basic like byoshimi
native ocean
Feels like himari's ex won't help me much in the set raid, short ex duration + m...
Yea that's what we said before, if u want to time with Basic there still Ako anyway
native ocean
Need to know when Orb spawn so can just do S.Nom and rotate back to her when Orb...
But tbh that comp has so much leeway of cost except u can improve everything here
sick tulip
In the case of Kaede, her basic+ description suggests that she wouldn't give herself any EX cost reductions after the first two minutes, is that correct?
native ocean
Yea, after it reduce to 1. There no cost reduc
sick tulip
That doesn't seem as good as I was hoping.
The last two and a half minutes are when those discounts are most important
native ocean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBwxvLwjJjA
I was checked here before for that too
native ocean
Idk for that
sick tulip
I guess she's still cheaper than Hanako without reduction.
But still, I'd have thought that Hanako basic and subskill is 
native ocean
Also sadly there also kokona sub which replace kaede cost-cut, so holding her 1 cost too long isn't good opt
sick tulip
Also sadly there also kokona sub which replace kaede cost-cut, so holding her 1 ...
Yeah, probably can't even make use of the discount at the 2:30 mark.
I thought I heard that the Tier 2 BG had a major impact on Set, but I'm not seeing what the reasoning is, in light of this news
It can't be a good idea to slow down Kokona EX casts to try and carry the last cost reduction deeper into ATG3, right?
Hmm... yeah, this video barely uses Kaede EX in the first 2 minutes
The 1-Cost Kaede also arguably was entirely overheal
native ocean
Well i also have no idea bout it 
sick tulip
Could there be some kind of healing finesse that allows for healing the first two minutes entirely without a single O.Shigure/Hanako EX cast?
native ocean
I dont think that possible for f100+
sick tulip
Woah! This video actually just lost D.Ako to damage with Kaede on the bar! 
sick tulip
I dont think that possible for f100+
The top runs, did they all switch back to Hanako? Was anybody running shielders still?
spark epoch
Wait what was the highest floor that was reached in S2 overall?
Thinker cleared F109.
sick tulip
Huh, so F106 isn't too far off of best in class...
There must really be something here
What am I missing?
native ocean
sick tulip
There f106 kaede if u want
It's in your playlist right? Do you remember the index off memory?
native ocean
index off memory?
spark epoch
What am I missing?
I know I am missing skill and investment and a S. Shiroko. 
sick tulip
index off memory?
List Index Number, was what I meant (27)
sick tulip
Could there be some kind of healing finesse that allows for healing the first tw...
Oh, I feel like I'm about to see this here
native ocean
That's where i know what best possible for x unit can be used
sick tulip
Yeah, first O.Shigure EX is below 2:30 on the clock. Amazing...
sick tulip
Yeah
ATG1 and half of ATG2 is healed with only Kaede and Kokona
And O.Shigure basic skills
Though, I have a poor grasp of how much benefit that has, combined with how Kaede scales into the ATG3 attrition
To answer that, I'd have to study this more deeply than I have time for today
And actually, the assumption that Kaede is going to be worse than Hanako once deep inside the death zone is also a presumption.
Though I'm fairly certain that I won't be affording the eligma for a UE40 Kaede.
She spooked me 5 stars, so I'm checking out what she unlocks for me, but even 300 eligma is still 300 eligma.
Uwah~ Mido's logged a F107 clear with UE30 Kaede... 
Guess that means I'm the one slacking after all...
Highest Hanako appearance is F104, unless I missed another one higher.
Kaede teams are infesting everything up to F106
I really am missing something
Statistically this might be third best team after S.Eimi and Miku?
I'll have to investigate more thoroughly later - No more time now.
native ocean
Well the list i sent above is based on playlist so idk bout the real data
sick tulip
Well the list i sent above is based on playlist so idk bout the real data
Ah, that’s okay. I didn’t interpret it as a tiered list anyway, because I’m sometimes blind.
sick tulip
Now that I look at it, are the left to right positions representative of formation positions?
native ocean
Also the first one
Next is just whatever role they likely replace
So like u can say there 100% of Kokona user since no one replace her for f100, or Himari used to replace S.Rocco-let till f104
atomic gorge
I stuck stage 49
next kayak
How are people using S.Shizuko considering she can only shield 4 at a time?
native ocean
As far as ur dps/soft student (mostly backline) shielded, should be fine
Long shield duration, basic buff
The problem proly that her sub is conflict if used with kotama
next kayak
I see why Kaede would be preferred. I don't have Kaede leveled up though.
next kayak
The problem proly that her sub is conflict if used with kotama
I didn't notice that. Thanks for pointing that out.
I assume for Kaede. You pop the shield during the attacks since it is a short duration?
native ocean
Should be, but might just watch the run with it instead
inland lava
turns out survivability is my issue in stage 74
I changed my himari to ny haruka
and my team is doing better
zenith topaz
So how does Kaede's basic skill + work now in reducing cost?
torpid basin
each time her basic actives, it reduces her ex by an amount depending on the numbers of basic
note that the 4th+ does not change her ex cost at all
so only the first 3 basics matter
next kayak
Got up to 80 using Kaede
foggy wasp
is it needed to lvl up her
celest spindle
Kokona and Hanako have enough survival to f100
foggy wasp
ue30 kokona?
i cant even pass 61
robust fjord
Just did F99 only took 1 reset, I had f100 jotted down for rotation but I cleared it like half way before the last line of TL ended lmao
severe sentinel
ssg maple
severe sentinel
fr
inland lava
Hell yeah! Stage 74 clear
I struggle more with stage 69 when using himari compared to stage 74 using ny haruka
and ny haruka is only level 80 351M
472 gear
spark epoch
Just did F99 only took 1 reset, I had f100 jotted down for rotation but I cleare...
Only one reset Impressive!
fleet kindle
Guy at 4th comp trying so hard not to look sus :v
lyric atlas
At first I didn't see anything too wrong, until I see lv63
fleet kindle
She can one shot the ball regardless
somber mango
ue30 dhina enough?
fleet kindle
F100
native ocean
def sus
minor depot
Was wondering what was sus about it, then I realized I was looking at third team and not fourth.
minor depot
Has anyone tested it though?
Maybe O.Chinatsu can survive an attack if you use her EX right before it.
native ocean
haha, def not
she dying alr even if u try her f60
and that one is f100
and *3 O.Shig wont even make it as solo
devout aspen
Is there any good band Yoshimi/kazusa alternatives
native ocean
Is there any good band Yoshimi/kazusa alternatives
as for B.Yosh, u normally want her as ur main carry (borrow)
for b.kaz, just replace with any filler, it can be another dps, buffer etc
the replacement option
devout aspen
as for B.Yosh, u normally want her as ur main carry (borrow)
Very crucial huh, alright
native ocean
kinda, even if S.Nonomi can do similar u still want b.yosh
it's a borrow anyway, u cost none
native ocean
u can try find #1108594770332373143 or simply ask here ig
or try ping @ airuyukiko
they hab b.yosh
oh there also someone else
a sec
arctic loom
native ocean
Thank you tho
BFWXAILC it's my clubmate, they hab u40 B.Yosh
devout aspen
It's alright man. I have to stick with my current club
Thanks for the offer.
native ocean
It's alright man. I have to stick with my current club
Thanks for the offer.
ah that's friend code
from my "clubmate"
devout aspen
oh aight 
faint bough
https://youtu.be/tcj-442BLO0?feature=shared hm wait smimori not that f2p
other koklet clear
idk if 100 is doable with kaede but looks like no dmg to me
faint bough
she already can't keep up on last hit 99 
yeah i read the mechanic... really unit lock
chrome chasm
faint bough
i have another whel option which is ue40/50 the byosh in my roster and borrow kok
faint bough
i have another whel option which is ue40/50 the byosh in my roster and borrow ko...
but that's a lot for a title lmao
native ocean
no koko
faint bough
it has same hp probably atk
native ocean
Oh wait same atk
native ocean
hm
So there should be possible then with Atsuko
But i found none too
for f100 no kokona i mean
faint bough
yeah the additional strikes that atsuko has to heal
byosh is a cost heavy unit that also anchors the dps of the team
no equivalent in blue
runs with oshig is dq since she can heal obelisk and team unlike hanako
spark epoch
Yeah. Set cannot crit.
regal rune
Yeah. Set cannot crit.
Ah, so 4* Kokona just isn’t enough without a Hanako EX then
regal rune
Glad I’m doing what I can for Set since the next limit break I can’t do
runic bolt
Rewatched my red Set clear vid
And this is my team where they are close to dying, if not for the Hanako clutch
regal rune
Next Set is still Sakurako iirc
no Kuroko yet
6 months until I can't do FRR anymore tho
next kayak
How far might I get with a meta loadout but only UE40?
minor depot
All UE40? If you find a UE50 B.Yoshimi, F100+ should be easy.
next kayak
Only a UE40 B.Yoshimi on my friends list
spark epoch
UE40 B. Yoshimi should be viable for higher floors. However, I believe it is the survivability that is more problematic on F90+.
next kayak
Yea, I still got some leveling to go for some survivability.
magic grail
Hello need u guys advice, who should I borrow, I would like to clear 74 or 95. This is my team
keen sequoia
magic grail
Just wondering for Kaede how high is she need to be
forest nimbus
Finally have time to clear this
magic grail
And also for swimsuit shirko, did she need any ue?
sick tulip
And also for swimsuit shirko, did she need any ue?
I don't think so, or at least her UE is not as valuable as striker's UE.
sick tulip
Hello need u guys advice, who should I borrow, I would like to clear 74 or 95. T...
If S.Shiroko can replace Nagisa, I think that is a strong improvement.
Otherwise, it is best to re-arrange your specials so that Nagisa sits on the right side of O.Shigure, for this team.
Special subskills apply left to right, so a Nagisa's stronger subskill ought to override the weaker O.Shigure version, instead of the converse.
I saw yesterday that a JP player achieved a high floor with a UE30 Kaede.
F95 has additional leeway, but I'm not sure how much it would be.
native ocean
no
spark epoch
I means their position
The right one takes priority if their sub-skills collide.
native ocean
It only matter when they share same sub and one other has higher %
magic grail
Oh
spark epoch
The right one takes priority if their sub-skills collide.
The right one is the right one.
deep geyser
@magic grail whats the UE on the 5*s, cuz thats the exact comp i cleared F104 with besides s.shiroko for nagisa
magic grail
Hold on let me share here
spark epoch
Virtually all clears on higher floors have S. Shiroko, and the rest few bring Himari.
~~And I have lost a lot of my hair by having neither of them. ~~
spark epoch
Your roster is good. But can you at least make B. Yoshimi at least MM77 if you are aiming for higher floors?
magic grail
I can max band yoshimi next week
deep geyser
not having 5MMM on that b.yoshi probably knocks a few mil off your DPS but i still think you can clear F100 without it anyways
magic grail
Yeah I am thinking to try 90 to 95
spark epoch
Hello need u guys advice, who should I borrow, I would like to clear 74 or 95. T...
I was running a virtually identical team except for S. Eimi in place of Hanako to clear F99.
deep geyser
for my F100 i didnt use O.shi and used nagisa + s.shiroko instead
spark epoch
I can max band yoshimi next week
Then it should be good.
magic grail
I was running a virtually identical team except for S. Eimi in place of Hanako t...
Which healer u use? Hanako? I feel like shield make the run super comfy
spark epoch
Which healer u use? Hanako? I feel like shield make the run super comfy
I borrowed an O. Shigure as you do.
magic grail
I was thinking summer shizuko
deep geyser
having shizuko def makes clear more comfy but at the expense of you gotta do more dps to account for it
i malded for a few hours for that F104 clear cuz of the RNG of yoshi/kokona needing healing since they the more likely to die
spark epoch
I was running this team for my F99 run.
deep geyser
idk if O.shig herself can heal enough for ATG bar 3 by herself
usually i see the O.shig comp pair with atsuko
magic grail
For onsen shigure how many ue she need?
native ocean
U40 normaly
magic grail
Kk guess she will be my next pull target
native ocean
I assume u move dhina etc near s.hosh with s.shizu, so i won't question the post
deep geyser
could be wrong but i think you would need 2 small AoE heals/shield if you run O.shig like with atusko/shizuko/eimi or you do 1 big with hanako
you want D.ako + kokona on right
since thats the side thats going to be debuffed
native ocean
Repos
spark epoch
Which healer u use? Hanako? I feel like shield make the run super comfy
It's only the presence of either S. Shiroko or Himari that makes it comfier.
Without cost regen from S. Shiroko, it took a lot of resets to be able to cook a good rotation to survive ATG3.
magic grail
I see
deep geyser
isnt it a waste to repostion right away if your dps is going to be inside s.hosh anyways?
native ocean
Well, that's the strat
It just sacrificing 2 cost for more dmg
D.Ako still kinda deal like 7mil in full time
magic grail
I reach 49 maybe tmr and next week try 74 and 90
spark epoch
I cannot find a single guide/clear for F99 and F100ish without S. Shiroko or Himari.
And I'm now stuck on F100.
One prominent issue is that my Kokona can't fully heal the pillar during ATG3.
The other issue is survivability, of course.
deep geyser
@spark epoch i mean you said it already, that cost/skill cycle during ATG3 is just the most draining part that the extra cost accumulated + during the phase is what makes it possible
spark epoch
Without em huh
I have neither.
spark epoch
<@1263241279823806516> i mean you said it already, that cost/skill cycle during ...
I somehow managed it for F99. I thought I might be able to make it as well for F100, but now I feel stuck in a dead end.
native ocean
Or just follow Himari run and change it with NyHaruka
If u have BKat, there should be a chance
spark epoch
Or just follow Himari run and change it with NyHaruka
I will make an attempt.
deep geyser
whats the math for cost regen, like how much extra cost is it per say 30 seconds
would it be possible to run NY fuuka?
wonder if thats viable
spark epoch
would it be possible to run NY fuuka?
Good idea, worth a try and see if I can make the rotation work.
And fully heal the pillar in time.
mighty pebble
spark epoch
<:wth:1277436689177907273>
That's painful.
spark epoch
would it be possible to run NY fuuka?
I experimented a bit and it seems possible. However, my rotation is still a mess at the moment, and I need to rework it. And spamming S. Eimi during ATG3 does hurt the DPS, a lot.
native ocean
If u can do that fast, might as well try f99 with 5mil HP difference
It gives u 1 random gift box!
merry thunder
Nah this mode sucks 
native ocean
merry thunder
Theh forwarded a lot of jp qol features but not the icon pop-up when using ex skills
native ocean
Well it's normal since that thing is just introduced on jp
Which will need some adjustment to be implemented early
The slot increases tho is easy to adjust since only need number 
spark epoch
Wow your clear is a fast one.
merry thunder
it's f97 so that's a lot less than your f99 run, like 6m (?) hp difference I believe
native ocean
What floor u all think that possible to beat without Kokona+Atsuko+OShig+B.Kat+S.Nom?
minor depot
74
native ocean
Nvm i cleared
native ocean
torpid basin
native ocean
Maybe f80
minor depot
Does Koharu die with a single hit? Otherwise, you could try to time her heal during an attack to keep her alive.
merry thunder
Does Koharu die with a single hit? Otherwise, you could try to time her heal dur...
Hardly to keep her alive from f74
spark epoch
Maybe f80
Bring Hanae or Chinatsu to one-shot heal the pillar and bring B. Kazusa or a blue Set DPS in place of Koharu?
native ocean
Bring Hanae or Chinatsu to one-shot heal the pillar and bring B. Kazusa or a blu...
B.kazusalet
Neither S.Nom or S.Izuna
I was thinking Ibuki tbh
But mine isn't that good
spark epoch
it's f97 so that's a lot less than your f99 run, like 6m (?) hp difference I bel...
I struggle quite a lot during ATG3, healing and shielding like crazy. Your clear is still much faster. 
spark epoch
I was thinking Ibuki tbh
Ibuki replacing Koharu and ST healer replacing Kotama?
native ocean
Yea
Cuz ibuki has atk down too
But i dont think it's enough heal tho
Koharu AoE actually pretty help
Cuz without Kokona cost down, having another AoE healer is help a lot since i cant rotate fast
spark epoch
Cuz without Kokona cost down, having another AoE healer is help a lot since i ca...
Should still be doable. I don't even have S. Shiroko like you do. But you've still got to conserve quite a lot of cost going into ATG3.
spark epoch
Koharu AoE actually pretty help
Yeah, Koharu's AoE heal would help a lot if only she can survive.
native ocean
S.Rocco is just early cost
Kokona meanwhile active like 4x?
And without her, u normally use Atsuko which is same idea as Koharu
"Another AoE heal to compensate rotating"
spark epoch
S.Rocco is just early cost
S. Shiroko has cost regen. That should be a lot of cost for free.
spark epoch
Kokona meanwhile active like 4x?
Yes, my Kokona activates her sub 4 times in a battle.
spark epoch
"Another AoE heal to compensate rotating"
I conserved some cost going into ATG3 and skipped a round of Yoshimi EX to compensate rotating.
native ocean
native ocean
I conserved some cost going into ATG3 and skipped a round of Yoshimi EX to compe...
What was ur cleared floor
spark epoch
What was ur cleared floor
F99
native ocean
It's without any Cost regen was it
spark epoch
It's without any Cost regen was it
Yeah, without any cost regen.
native ocean
Can u send the team again?
spark epoch
Can u send the team again?
native ocean
your team look overqualified to do 100+
Even without cost reg?
spark epoch
your team look overqualified to do 100+
I am having trouble to fully heal the pillar with Kokona on F100 during ATG3.
spark epoch
Target type?
Sorry what do you mean by target type?
native ocean
They ex type i mean
celest spindle
I am having trouble to fully heal the pillar with Kokona on F100 during ATG3.
you have to 2 survival EX just using kokoha ex on the pillar
native ocean
She buff atk right?
spark epoch
She buff atk right?
She repositions, shields, and buffs ATK with her EX.
celest spindle
you can change nagisa to himari too i think losse the first cost reduced shouldn't be a problem
spark epoch
you have to 2 survival EX just using kokoha ex on the pillar
I use Kokona's EX on the pillar once, and fail to fully heal the pillar. I cannot rotate back to Kokona again in time.
spark epoch
you can change nagisa to himari too i think losse the first cost reduced shouldn...
I don't have Himari.
hushed sentinel
spark epoch
With Kotama?
I generally use Kotama after S. Eimi to overwrite the ATK buff.
native ocean
The comp is kinda questionable
celest spindle
I don't have Himari. <:NinDead:1242882738948800643>
this is my team, having a bit of problem on dps side
doing f100 out of time with ~7m HP and bKat die before Set groggy
my bKat not max yet
spark epoch
https://tenor.com/view/igusa-haruka-haruka-new-year-blue-archive-gif-11562574575...
I can experiment a bit. She's not built, though.
celest spindle
For the pillar, even it got lighting on 2 pillar your dps doesn't get hit until the 3rd lighting strike(the one target student)
you should have enough time to heal 1 pillar using 2 Kokona EX
spark epoch
The comp is kinda questionable
There is virtually not a single clear on F99 and F100 without S. Shiroko or Himari.
celest spindle
it suck to lack core unit
spark epoch
you should have enough time to heal 1 pillar using 2 Kokona EX
I will see if I can cook a good rotation for that. I did succeed in making it to the end only once by luck and by repositioning the whole team to the other side to avoid lightning, as Kokona could not heal the pillar in one shot. But D. Ako died before the groggy and I repositioned way too much, so the DPS wasn't enough and time ran out.
spark epoch
~~it suck to lack core unit~~
Perhaps that's also why I've been eating gold in raids for months.
native ocean
There is virtually not a single clear on F99 and F100 without S. Shiroko or Hima...
Yea, that's why it's questionable
Tho i get the idea of how
deft jolt
im barely surviving with a little hp
uncut panther
Finally, I manage to keep D.Ako until the end...
native ocean
With kotama that surely can do f97?
native ocean
I dont think they need s.shizu either with Atsuko
uncut panther
My Kotama still not fully build...
Need more credit
Also using unusual team comp make it more fun for me
spark epoch
My Kotama still not fully build...
Shaking hands with my Lv.60 4117 Kotama 
spark epoch
Also using unusual team comp make it more fun for me
At first, it was fun, until I noticed a lot of hair on the floor.
celest spindle
Finally, I manage to keep D.Ako until the end...
wut you have 2 heal source why you have issue on survival ?
lack t9 pins?
uncut panther
wut you have 2 heal source why you have issue on survival ?
lack t9 pins?
Nah, I just don't have any blue def dps left... (have Saori and Megu but still unbuild)
So I just increase my survivability instead
unborn blaze
starting to get a hang of how to manage things
at least hanako timings stay the same
placid marlin
deft jolt
im still struggling on the healing timing
celest spindle
im still struggling on the healing timing
hanako ? and which floor
mighty pebble
Ok this is a lot better than the blue one 
mighty pebble
Even tho I don't have any rot during atg3, I'm just trying to cycle whatever cost 2-3 skills i have to get Kaede again 
I literally do no dmg during this phase
celest spindle
F101? Damn
deft jolt
this ones 100
celest spindle
Oh
deft jolt
Yoshimi just need to be at least 1hp less she's gone
celest spindle
Oshigure need s shielder i think
Her heal too slow for the atg 3 when using only her
silent trout
Ok this is a lot better than the blue one <:HoshinoSleep:1067236734838001734>
I'm blind, I thought there was no Shoshi
native ocean
Thoughts?
the thoughts is just borrow
should be able to beat more
Mash is not needed, change her with Hanako/O.shig
ny.fuuka + ako is kinda.. weird.. just bring Ako + kotama
Mine kinda deadge for f50+, maybe s.saki still fine for f60
change mine to borrow (b.yosh / s.nom)
radiant canopy
someone pls remind me to update the set for dummies chart tomorrow
native ocean
wasn't it same idea
long shard
I'm blind, I thought there was no Shoshi <:hoshinoblindstare:971303116400123914>
Ey can i have your avt?
Im looking for high quality one but its so bad that i can count the pixels
weary quest
i dont know if i could clear floor 100 with team...
hushed sentinel
https://fixupx.com/Shachiku0515/status/1851271237932368208?t=cH5dTB5IGvwQVGtFMls...
I Mari, sure,
DjSaori, sure,
What is iBook doing there
sweet nexus
I Mari, sure,
DjSaori, sure,
What is iBook doing there <:hoshinoblindstare:9713...
Dmg buff
celest spindle
Also hinata
still the meta in different raid
chrome chasm
Ue hinata is whel
hushed sentinel
~~still the meta in different raid~~
I was gonna slack building her
chrome chasm
celest spindle
It seems like I need to build her
~~finally i have good cause for my previous investment ~~
totally not a desperate investment for Pelolo ins
robust fjord
~~finally i have good cause for my previous investment ~~
It's ok u will be able to use her in chockma
fast widget
Hinata forever
lean lark
I dunno if it’s do-able with a team like this
if anyone could, please ping me if you find/did it 
(floor 97)
lean lark
Even tho that *3 s.shizu looks awful
if I dont have to repos, I can replace her with kaede (due to the sheer number of dupes she's ue40)
native ocean
U can just try the similar strat with Himari
lean lark
U can just try the similar strat with Himari
definitely gonna copy off someone if they do it 
native ocean
spark epoch
Now with NY Fuuka, the pillar healing issue is solved; the survivability issue isn't.
And the damage is lacking due to too much repositioning and shielding. Already ~10M short at 01:06.
torpid basin
survival problem with both o shig and s eimi? 
lean lark
its said that O.shigure isn’t advised if you need heals pronto so hanako kinda wins there
spark epoch
survival problem with both o shig and s eimi? <:natsusdoc:986222248396460123>
This seems mainly due to a rotation and/or skill issue.
I can now clear F99 very consistently, but I still struggle a lot with F100.
I have to use Kokona to heal one more time on the pillar during ATG3 on F100 than F99, which breaks my rotation on F99.
I am now experimenting with NY Fuuka in place of Nagisa for F100 to save cost during ATG3 to complete the healing on the pillar, but somehow, I cannot make the rotation work and my B. Yoshimi and/or D. Ako keep dying at the 01:35 vortex or 01:09 lightning.
And there is no homework to copy from, as virtually nobody (if anybody) clears F99 and F100ish without S. Shiroko or Himari, which I have either.
Ah, sorry for the rantings.
lean lark
This seems mainly due to a rotation and/or skill issue.
I can now clear F99 very...
could you possibly mimic the build im going to be using for floor 97?
spark epoch
could you possibly mimic the build im going to be using for floor 97?
Sorry, what do you mean? A request for me to clear F97 with your team in #🗼final-restriction-release message as a reference, or for me to clear F100?
lean lark
Sorry, what do you mean? A request for me to clear F97 with your team in https:/...
the reference
hope im not asking too much