💬gameplay-discussion

[echo oar]

lmao

[pale fractal]

so kaiju..

[astral fern]

Fattest kaiju at it again

I got blocked by him

So remember always kaiju react him

[proven dove]

It is really the rabbit hole there loool. New players have it really tough

[astral fern]

Never let his lie deceive you

[fleet narwhal]

meh 500 ligma is nothing !

[pastel mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1315736818007670906/1444791605226635434/trexreactthiskaiju.webp

[echo oar]

me still lil guppy

[simple ravine]

deno why did you block him

[opaque dagger]

Honestly, just raise whatever you're going to use in the upcoming months, as usual

Nothing has changed

[fleet narwhal]

?

[echo oar]

but muh efficiency!

[pale fractal]

even my sayanes still 2*..

[astral fern]

Cuz he probably tired that all he sees from me is truth

[simple ravine]

[echo oar]

deno show discord screenshot now

[fleet narwhal]

wym, I bought the 60 elephs with ligma and the remaining 20 with ep

[echo oar]

no I was talking to assassin!!!

[opaque dagger]

Only clowns like you, none and I care about our EP efficiency across a 10 year time period

Normal players aren't planning to play that long

[echo oar]

fair

[polar orbit]

oh nice

[fleet narwhal]

oh you mean FP ? Cause even I have my limits when it comes to f2p and denosaur jokes, and he couldnt stopped going in circle with me

so i decided to cut it

[echo oar]

fair fair

[astral fern]

I plan to retire once I get b100 toki

[stable tulip]

it bothers me that I'll have to grab T.Mari on another rerun, but I got Yuuka

[simple ravine]

deno will block me soon too

[polar orbit]

i will die on this hill

[echo oar]

for all of your 2*s?? just now???

[astral fern]

Just keep going

[fleet narwhal]

no ? i already said I had only 4 remaining 2*

[astral fern]

I have been like this for 6 years

[echo oar]

you had that much EP in the bank?

[opaque dagger]

I never said your argument is wrong, it's just not very applicable to most players

[echo oar]

that's still 28k EP!

[polar orbit]

no i know

[pale fractal]

gimme ligma for chare pls

[fleet narwhal]

well, ye

[astral fern]

This much slander against me is nothing

[echo oar]

well it's gotta go somewhere yeah

[polar orbit]

i'm just saying i will not change my EP spending ways

i will die first

[echo oar]

I just do it slowly over time, so it surprised me haha

[fleet narwhal]

im still rich !

[astral fern]

🦖

[proven dove]

I change it every 4 months or so :p

[opaque dagger]

See, I need to stabilize first

[fleet narwhal]

dont ask about permits now tho...

[summer dew]

headpat

[simple ravine]

[opaque dagger]

Getting UE50 on Fes DPS unironically has more usage than Hibiki Cheer, efficiency be damned

[polar orbit]

[echo oar]

tbh I think my decisions are so weird because I'm stable on most fronts atm

[opaque dagger]

I could be efficient and get all my non-Fes raised

But for what, I'm never using them

[polar orbit]

i got hibiki cheer to 3 star for the bond transfer

[echo oar]

so I ONLY look at the long-term

[polar orbit]

one day she'll get 4 stars

[supple star]

[opaque dagger]

I mean, you aren't interesting in pushing Lunas aggressively

[pure vessel]

guh

[opaque dagger]

You're on the "we'll see if it's close to a clear or not" camp

[echo oar]

ye exactly

[pale fractal]

[opaque dagger]

Wtf I thought Audiens took over Mash's acc

[pure vessel]

date flipped over right as I got the badass malkuth sprite

oh I can continue from where I left off now

[pure vessel]

don't have to restart

very nice thank u blue archive

(actually thankful)

[prime geyser]

[pastel mortar]

Die

[prime geyser]

[polar orbit]

MODS

[fleet narwhal]

[opaque dagger]

waelba hates me confirmed

See, I always knew he hated me

[pure vessel]

malkuth is so lewd

[echo oar]

I stole it from ayeccs in the first place 😔

I feel bad for overusing it

but it's so tempting

[pastel mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1030399686638575656/1484951636823642212/Rena_angry_pick_up_speed.gif

[echo oar]

and yeah, I just want a path to consistent lunas in due time, no need to spend a lot on a new luna if it's gonna get much easier in the next run or two

[simple ravine]

zooming on body parts isnt allowed

[echo oar]

that's the backbone of a lot of my spending habits in-game

[opaque dagger]

Can't tell if you're trying to go tsundere over me or what, but if so, cringe to be tsundere to a 30+ yo fat dude

[fleet narwhal]

alright... then this is my ep target per month...

[echo oar]

going for the ue40 nyfuu?

[pure vessel]

https://i.imgur.com/IJTQyK5.png

[fleet narwhal]

i think it was just a joke...

[pure vessel]

they merely adopted it

[fleet narwhal]

ue30

[polar orbit]

wow you're spending 3000 eligma per month

[echo oar]

ooooh

[fleet narwhal]

huh

[copper crescent]

I thought for a sec that is your eligma target per month

[fleet narwhal]

buddy thats how much ep it costs

[opaque dagger]

So true, Indoor Goz 1 team Luna so free

[polar orbit]

oh yeah i dont buy that so i dont know

[opaque dagger]

Also @pastel mortar I just remembered, where Tor clear

[quiet raft]

I wonder what was the plan

[pastel mortar]

Me slacc

[opaque dagger]

Biggest bullshit I've heard in 2026

[echo oar]

alright good permit discussion again yall, see you tomorrow

[charred crystal]

Holy 🦖

[fleet narwhal]

ue 30 sayane, ue50 bosh/smika and ue30 shina/bneru/toki/nyfuuka/sizuna...

oh, actually ue40 toki what am I saying

quite a road ahead of me

[opaque dagger]

The eternal debates live on for the rest of time

[pastel mortar]

What? It's true!
I'm here to do my dailies and log off psmh

[fleet narwhal]

yo that troll you took down earlier appeared again...

you werent powerful enough to kill him...

[charred crystal]

Joe killed him

[echo oar]

and I take it back, I won't stray from the mathematician's path!

[fleet narwhal]

indeed

[marble gust]

also fuck i think i missed dailies again

https://tenor.com/view/hiyori-blue-archive-jenshin-den-jden-gif-7781941060143578915

[echo oar]

gonna reallocate some permits to finish 3*ing my remaining few

[charred crystal]

It was gonna happen sooner or later

[fleet narwhal]

now

ban Audiens

[echo oar]

[summer dew]

or

ban deno instead

[charred crystal]

Or..

[echo oar]

why can't we all live in peace 😭

[polar orbit]

3000 permits for 25 eligma or 3600 permits for 50 eligma equivalent

[charred crystal]

Nah hes too strong rn

[opaque dagger]

Also wait

Oi @echo oar

[charred crystal]

He has 6k eligma

[opaque dagger]

Have you checked the calc

[charred crystal]

Hes feeling strong

[summer dew]

i know... his kaiju aura is all over the gpd

[charred crystal]

Precisely so

[marble gust]

almost there

[echo oar]

tbf I don't think anyone who's deep in the sauce is every considering buying actual eligma at this point

[fleet narwhal]

f2p aura !

[charred crystal]

Nah u rich dad

[copper crescent]

domain expansion jurassic park

[polar orbit]

literally all the trexes buy it

[charred crystal]

U are 🦖

[fleet narwhal]

i am

a

[copper crescent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1372483368410808361.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=KaijuDance

[pure vessel]

kei so tuff

[echo oar]

ye, I skimmed it half-asleep and it looks normal!

[charred crystal]

Yea to me that looks like 🦖

[echo oar]

that's about all I can say though

[simple ravine]

maple delete this bagen

[fleet narwhal]

put on some glasses then !!!

[echo oar]

how people use it depends on their goals, but it's factual

[copper crescent]

🐇 🦖

Literally same pose

[summer kite]

hi guys I am almost there

[marble gust]

wtf do i even spend my ap on

[opaque dagger]

The most surprising result of the calc is 16/0/0 gets you most stuff in the shop with UE60 assuming we don't end early

[royal plinth]

so, I will be pulling for Himari, B Kei and B Aris

I'm guessing I should build all of them when I get them?

[fleet narwhal]

[echo oar]

tbf don't the trexes only have like ue40+ units to spend permits on

[polar orbit]

yes

[echo oar]

so it makes sense for them, cause permanents start to have higher priority for eligma spending

[copper crescent]

No build only when u need them

[echo oar]

but for anyone playing catch-up, well...!

[charred crystal]

And nice

[fleet narwhal]

[summer kite]

John Nexon truly decided on a satisfying number

[opaque dagger]

I wanted you to check because like, wtf, this is free

[echo oar]

I also kinda realized, a lot of my initial permit assumptions from a year+ ago depended on fest spooks

[copper crescent]

Wow both 67 and 69

Holy planning

[echo oar]

like, my plan revolved around using eligma to get them to ue30 and then slowly spooking them to ue40+ over a few years

[charred crystal]

Yea he also has 1 nice

Jelly

[royal plinth]

oh really? I didn't know about Kei and Himari but I thought Aris was like, an insane blue dps

[echo oar]

but since mika and waka can only get elephs through permits and lessons now...

[stable tulip]

people were comparing ep shop purchases? how's mine (still missing uneru eleph, dhina wasn't bought she was free ue60)

[echo oar]

it is! I wonder if an early clear is gonna throw a big wrench into it though

[copper crescent]

She good but u will just borrow her in raids

[echo oar]

but yeah, people are really underselling the fact we got 4 more days in phase 1

[opaque dagger]

It will, early clear 100% fucks with you very badly

[echo oar]

it's literally 120 more atoki elephs if you get all 4 days to farm

[true scroll]

she undressed but came to the wrong cafe

[pure vessel]

yeah but there's no point in raising someone you're not gonna use for 6 months

[copper crescent]

Tf

[echo oar]

yeaaaah, so I'm thinking maybe doing 20 refreshes in phase 1 just in case

[pure vessel]

when you could've put those credits and mats into raising someone that you will use soon and clear a higher difficulty earlier

[opaque dagger]

Like, 20/10/10 is very safe for full shop clear

[echo oar]

I'm either doing 10/10/10 or 20/10/10, we'll see how it feels in a day or two

[opaque dagger]

20/20/20 is minmaxing raid clear drops

[echo oar]

tbh I'm probably skipping a good amount in shop 1 too

[stable tulip]

wdym 6 months? plenty of blue content to use her on

[echo oar]

TNs, BDs, meh

[opaque dagger]

Nah, Gold/Purple is always value

[royal plinth]

I see I see

[echo oar]

just optimizing for atoki elephs

[copper crescent]

U don't need to raise aaris for tor

[echo oar]

yeee maybe purple or gold

[opaque dagger]

Even Blue tbh, but you're probably too old for Blue atp

[marble gust]

wtf benching aaris

ban whoever does

[opaque dagger]

But I'm always short on Blue

[pure vessel]

partly hyperbole and partly the fact that you don't really need your own dps in lower diff raids

[echo oar]

I'm not even hurting for purple/gold, really

[polar orbit]

i'm benching my aaris cause i'm just gonna borrow one

[echo oar]

and blues I can buy with TA/GA coins forever

I'm always keeping a healthy stock of raid coins for emergency mat purchases

[pure vessel]

the fact that aaris is so strong also means that once you have a good suite of support units you really won't need more than one team to clear any blue content

[echo oar]

and I haven't even touched my TN/BD selectors yet

[pure vessel]

so you can get away with just using a borrow all the time up to torment

[opaque dagger]

Coin actually cannot keep up with Blues tbh

[copper crescent]

U can one team most tors now tbh

[opaque dagger]

At least for me, you're in a more stable state

[pure vessel]

most of them yeah

not all of them

especially in GA

[echo oar]

like, why would I care about buying more when I'm not pushing luna that much...

[steady prairie]

srkr blue gonna be demoted from 2 team raid to 40m

[echo oar]

that extra year and the perma-monthlies must be making a huge difference

[opaque dagger]

Blue Shirokuro is 2 tap lmao

[proven dove]

[copper crescent]

Srkr luna gonna be like 700m hp at this rate

[opaque dagger]

700m HP would be impossible to clear

[copper crescent]

Oh

[opaque dagger]

Cos, say, each Aris Mech does 200m

Who's doing the last 300m?

[simple ravine]

[marble gust]

thats like every boss

when hp bloat

[copper crescent]

I thought each aaris does 300m

[opaque dagger]

Nah they can't do that much

[copper crescent]

45m per ex, surely u can output 6 ex in 4 mins

[opaque dagger]

Especially when you still need to repo

45m only with the Dmg Taken debuff, pretty sure

[grim finch]

labirdbird

[copper crescent]

How many times does shiro roll balls in 4 mins

[old rose]

everyone else

[old rose]

3 times

[copper crescent]

Oh

[old rose]

assuming no groggy

[copper crescent]

So probably still 6 times I think

[covert spoke]

🚮 goodbye

[copper crescent]

2 ex per ball roll

[echo oar]

but yeah, it really is wild just how easily you can get a ue50 atoki

it all depends on how fast phase 1 goes down though...

[old rose]

wait what is this

[echo oar]

but theoretically, it's free

[opaque dagger]

I think UE50 Toki Armed is free with no refresh lmao

[pure vessel]

gonna prefarm ue70

[echo oar]

still best to play it safe and 10/10/10 at the least, not to mention the extra rewards you get tho

[covert spoke]

this doesnt seem very good

[echo oar]

elaborate

[opaque dagger]

Yea UE50 is free if you give up the entire shop

[covert spoke]

the entire shop is far more valuable than a mood buff for toki

[opaque dagger]

I mean, I never said you should do it

I just said it is possible

[covert spoke]

she gets added to ep really quick too

[copper crescent]

Does toki even need mood buff

[echo oar]

mmmyesss delicious grey TNs and JFD mats

[gleaming wren]

holy shit

[covert spoke]

so like, if ur a credit buyer that probably stops

[grim finch]

0x1.1=0

[opaque dagger]

But you can also kinda give up some of the mats if you low on Pyros

[echo oar]

why would I want more elephs when I can add to an endless stockpile

[stable tulip]

so I did want Subaru, and I got her, but since she's a less strong terroko, what do I do with her?

[polar orbit]

farming atoki now means permits saved in 20 years

[covert spoke]

audiens i know damn well ur gonna fodder them

[copper crescent]

Nothing tbh

[opaque dagger]

It depends on player tbh

[gleaming wren]

oh its the guy i attacked

hes probably salty about this

[echo oar]

people will skip what they don't need and buy the rest, simple as

[grim finch]

stop bully

[opaque dagger]

A lil' calc I made today. Not guaranteed 100% accurate, but should be close enough even if it's slightly off

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gTsmdNC_zI1qYo5eG-slkZ6etsrliDBWSgbrwrMkBQc/edit?gid=0#gid=0 here, if you want to play with it

[polar orbit]

i'm skipping jfd mats and probably gray selectors

[opaque dagger]

Take into account that this calc does not account for things like Yesod needing 21 tix

[copper crescent]

W-what if u color the cells

[opaque dagger]

Or that you get fucked if we clear early

[covert spoke]

most chesed clears will use 21 too

[opaque dagger]

You can make a copy of this and play with it yourself

[covert spoke]

and thats something i recommend in fact

[copper crescent]

Oh true

[steep vortex]

geb too, im not boshi repoing for wr

lmao

[copper crescent]

Geb is easy 1pan i think

[grim finch]

2 pan comfy

[copper crescent]

Bc of kether

[opaque dagger]

Btw, can you reuse the same students in 2nd team

Or does the 2nd team have to be different students outside the borrows

[copper crescent]

Ideally tho u want to 1pan geb

[polar orbit]

i think it broke

[covert spoke]

your own yes but cant use teh same senseis borrow

[grim finch]

i doubt it is even possible to 1 pan with imine boshi

[steep vortex]

😟

[opaque dagger]

Wait so you can just keep pumping the same team repeatedly until you clear

Don't even need to think about what to throw on 2nd team

As long as you have enough copies of the same borrow

[grim finch]

time to find 10 satsuki borrow

[opaque dagger]

Broke how?

[polar orbit]

it's not calcing pyro

[copper crescent]

Pyro cost 0

[opaque dagger]

It's writing on my end

Hmmmm

[grim finch]

do i skip this 3x2

[opaque dagger]

Did the script break lmao

[polar orbit]

i think it did

[pure vessel]

lmao

[echo oar]

oh btw, the only thing is do more raids require more than 1 team?

like yesod obviously, but maybe chesed or geb?

cause that'd reduce your calcs for p1 income a lil

[pure vessel]

toki enduring the cold in her maid uniform because she didn't want to lose to eimi (?) is peak

[echo oar]

I'd say have it cost like 20.2 tickets per p1 run or something

[pure vessel]

dork

[polar orbit]

geburah can be 1pan'd especially with the boss skills thingies

[copper crescent]

Geb doesn't

[echo oar]

ooooh

[copper crescent]

Chesed nah

[polar orbit]

chesed we're not speedrunning so just 1pan it

[grim finch]

do i actually need to pull out my sticky note for yesod again...

[copper crescent]

You'll be fine with 1pan chesed

[covert spoke]

i dont think you'll find it easy to 1pan geb unless you've done the rot for it with sfubuki before or done pinball

[polar orbit]

pinball is fun!

[covert spoke]

even though ur not using sfubuki here

[polar orbit]

trust me

[opaque dagger]

Oh I know why, you have to enable the AppsScript automated runs

Hold on, let me add instructions

[copper crescent]

We mald wr to save tix

[polar orbit]

epic

[echo oar]

fodder the cheap selectors? I haven't foddered these yet and won't ever need to now that my crafting crunch is over

[shell tree]

is there a time limit in tix?

[echo oar]

slowly building up my resources again now that crafting costs less than income

[covert spoke]

1hr as usual

[shell tree]

fuck

[polar orbit]

you just turn that 330 into tier 2 crafting nodes

[covert spoke]

fodder regular stuff that you would need to cover with selectors

[shell tree]

can we mock

[covert spoke]

yes

[echo oar]

yeeee but I'm still buying atoki elephs over crafting fodder

[polar orbit]

yeah

[echo oar]

it won't make a difference for me, so that's the plan

[covert spoke]

i mean yeah but like

are u doing that p3

[shell tree]

how much refresh is needed to ue60 atoki

[covert spoke]

or are u skipping credits p3

its like 2.5m credits per atoki eleph in p3

[woven sigil]

Only yesod takes 21 tix

[echo oar]

I think I said somewhere I'm mostly just skipping stuff in p1

[covert spoke]

yeah im skipping p1 besides gifts

[echo oar]

p2 maybe selectively skip the greys, p3 buy all except yuzu's furniture

[woven sigil]

There's nothing besides Toki and gifts

[covert spoke]

though might need to get some yellow/purple bds if i spook a lot of new

[echo oar]

yeee we'll see

[woven sigil]

P2 has more selectors

[covert spoke]

i know

[copper crescent]

Ugh wr has no sweep 😟

[echo oar]

lmao we end up having more aligned buying plans than our discussions end up making me think

[woven sigil]

I wonder how much will it take for ue50 Toki

[shell tree]

wtf

world the fuck

[echo oar]

maybe it's just from looking at it from different perspectives

[polar orbit]

+2

[covert spoke]

its so good actually to not sweep

it turns it into jfd

[echo oar]

ngl I might skip credits in p3

[polar orbit]

yeah i dont think i need grays either...

[opaque dagger]

Added instructions to my copy of the spreadsheet

[echo oar]

it'll be late into the raid at that point, so I'll know exactly how many atoki elephs I'll have and want at that point though

so I'm not making the decision now

[covert spoke]

you end up doing like 3 of the boss with triple gigamax borrows

[echo oar]

but yeah, p3 might be a skip, who knows

[copper crescent]

And deca skills

[covert spoke]

its a pain for the ones where ur after niche though...

ill at least be able to find one max shiyori for binah and chesed

dunno about the other two

[copper crescent]

Also p3 is crazy free somehow

[shell tree]

is there a video or guide I can watch or read before wr comes

[opaque dagger]

Let me know if you got it to work @polar orbit

[copper crescent]

I was like lvl 70 during p3 and learned last day I can actually do D

[covert spoke]

there will be but its basically just easy mode torments

[shell tree]

I don’t want to be scrambling on the first day

[covert spoke]

im sure binah will not giev you too much trouble

[echo oar]

I was a lil worried about kether, but it turns out it's real simple too

[copper crescent]

https://bluearchive.wiki/wiki/Steel_Continent_Assault#tabber-C
i mean the wiki has stuff

[shell tree]

I mean in terms of tix refresh planning and such, too

[torn thorn]

[covert spoke]

well you like to sorta over refresh so

[copper crescent]

U get 1 tix every 30 mins

[echo oar]

just don't be away from the game for more than 10 hours at a time

[copper crescent]

10 tix for diffs A B C and 20 for diff D of the boss

Huh

[echo oar]

or like 14 hours, if you strategically refresh tickets

[copper crescent]

U mean 20

[opaque dagger]

Yesod gonna be one of the hardest if you don't have the students

Cos you gotta go find a bunch of Noa/Suzumi Magic borrows

[pure vessel]

aight all caught up to deca story

[copper crescent]

Tix cap is 40 tix and u get 2 tix per hour

[echo oar]

I mean if you leave at 19/40 and are away for 11 hours, you're overcapping

[opaque dagger]

Unless you figure out a 2 team P2 solution

[copper crescent]

Ohhhh

[echo oar]

if you're on the game and have 20/40 tickets, you do a run

[copper crescent]

Wtf

I see now

Hmmm

[pure vessel]

and yeah geburah and yesod are hard raids to do for newer senseis

[copper crescent]

I think the way u would refresh

[shell tree]

I don’t

wtf

[pure vessel]

because the rest of them are pretty similar in terms of what you need

[opaque dagger]

It's also borrow difficulty

[pure vessel]

but geburah/yesod has very hard set gimmicks that you NEED to play around

[copper crescent]

Is when u log in, u refresh to 20 tix

[pure vessel]

so yeah

[opaque dagger]

Like, everyone gonna put up their DPS and such

[pure vessel]

rest of them you can be like

the gimmicks are kind of shared

so if you just have a good CC/healer/def down/whatever

[opaque dagger]

If you lack not DPS but the utilities, finding multiple borrows gonna be a giant pita

[echo oar]

yeee, or refresh and do a run when you know you're gonna be gone for a while

[steep vortex]

wait, do we get 40 tickets as soon as maint is over, i hope not

[covert spoke]

noa mimori msuzu boshi nunny saki does fine

[pure vessel]

you just fill out the rest with generalist buffers and throw in a borrow dps

[steady prairie]

I think you do

[echo oar]

I think we start at 40/40

[steady prairie]

alarm it hehe

[steep vortex]

bruh

[echo oar]

fastest internet speed wins

[copper crescent]

Yes we start at 40/40

[pure vessel]

but for geburah and yesod

[shell tree]

wtf dude…

[echo oar]

+1 ticket if you download it 30 minutes faster

[steady prairie]

it's binah as first boss anw

[pure vessel]

the gimmicks are kind of unique to them

[copper crescent]

Wait we start at 40/40

[echo oar]

time to whale for internet service!

[pure vessel]

so you need to either raise completely new support units

[copper crescent]

So technically it's 15 days

[polar orbit]

is this area supposed to update?

[pure vessel]

or have your own dps

[opaque dagger]

Good luck finding the Saki/Noa/Suzumi Magic borrows if you don't have these 3

[opaque dagger]

Yea, only this area

[covert spoke]

everyone has mimori and nunny

and u can rabu

[polar orbit]

hmm

[copper crescent]

I have all 3

[shell tree]

how fast do we have to be? Do we just have to clear twice within the first hour?

[copper crescent]

I can provide

[copper crescent]

Yes

[covert spoke]

just speedrun the first and then ur under cap

[steady prairie]

we start at 40/40 so it's time for you to prepare the 1pan first try hw

[echo oar]

vinny, you of all people are probably getting ue60 + more elephs

[opaque dagger]

Have you set up the trigger?

[copper crescent]

Well not twice

[echo oar]

it's not an issue you gotta sweat

[steady prairie]

https://youtu.be/FpRVIQnhylY

[polar orbit]

yes

[opaque dagger]

Make changes to the spreadsheet

[shell tree]

yes, but I want to make sure I understand the math before maint even begins

[copper crescent]

Yeah u have bluray l2d

[echo oar]

truuuue

[covert spoke]

vinny, you're likely going to want to 40/30/20 refresh and that will be excessive and you should 30/20/20 but you'll do it anyways

[opaque dagger]

Since it's on edit, it only updates when you edit the spreadsheet

[polar orbit]

i'm switching toki between different values

[pure vessel]

[shell tree]

surely 40 is not excessive

[echo oar]

eh I figure you just go straight to the story and unlock binah, then do a run

and then you have ticket regen

[copper crescent]

Also rio has the calculator

Holy

[opaque dagger]

Is there any value past 20/20/20 in the first place

[copper crescent]

No

[covert spoke]

yes

[copper crescent]

Ue70 maybe

[polar orbit]

it's still the same values that you have. 16/2/0

[opaque dagger]

Can you check Executions in AppsScript

[copper crescent]

Wait if ue50 atoki is free maybe we could aim for ue70

[echo oar]

do I have permission to post gl here

it's for none's sake

[covert spoke]

its not free

[polar orbit]

yes

[opaque dagger]

optimize, not calcCost

[copper crescent]

Tf is gl

[covert spoke]

girls love

[copper crescent]

Oh

[echo oar]

this hifumi x azusa is cute ||https://x.com/BinDonKan/status/2041185427185692992||

[pure vessel]

gae

[opaque dagger]

You have the trigger set on the wrong function

[echo oar]

oh sweet it didn't embed

perrrrfect

[polar orbit]

got it ty

[shell tree]

I thought it was global

[covert spoke]

i was guessing

[polar orbit]

gl is grenade launcher

[covert spoke]

i thought it was grenade launcher

[polar orbit]

lmao

[shell tree]

can we post global here

[steady prairie]

sure

[shell tree]

yay

[echo oar]

obv oshig then

[covert spoke]

:shiggydance:

[opaque dagger]

gl is good luck, no?

[summer dew]

i mean atoki isn't that great except she is decent hitcount for boat... and she has cleanse...
...and we really should be scared about all the cleanse units we're getting

[atomic arrow]

get lucky

[pure vessel]

come to think of it

[shell tree]

glucky

[pure vessel]

they haven't added new club stickers in a while

riot

give me more cute stickers

[opaque dagger]

Have fun, just remember to account for stuff like "might clear early etc"

[polar orbit]

it's saying ue50 is free with no refresh imagine if that's true

[steep vortex]

oh toki is only for part a of the world raid, i didnt know that

[feral jetty]

clearly GL means "get lucky"

[steady prairie]

You can still farm her during part b and c

But b is 1/3 efficiency of a

and c is 1/3 of b

[steep vortex]

ah

[covert spoke]

c is... yeah

[summer dew]

yeah that

[steady prairie]

yep

[opaque dagger]

It actually is, if you funnel all your P2/P3 currency into P1

[echo oar]

I really might still buy elephs over credits in C

[opaque dagger]

And you give up the entire shop

[covert spoke]

if it wasnt for the comms credit buff then i'd consider it a really easy decision

[opaque dagger]

But that's kinds stupid

[echo oar]

that's how little I value credits

[steady prairie]

Buy elephs anyway for ue70 toki

nodnod

[frail glen]

why can't it be both

[steep vortex]

holy this event gives 500 eligma from shop

[copper crescent]

Huh

[covert spoke]

you may wish to recalculate that

[steep vortex]

?

[pure vessel]

max refresh was 50 right

[opaque dagger]

60

[pure vessel]

huh

[copper crescent]

What's 10x10

[frail glen]

6 7

[steady prairie]

500 is

500 to buy

[echo oar]

headers are important

[covert spoke]

thought u meant this one tbh

[steady prairie]

lol

[steep vortex]

i know, i said this event gives 500 eligma

lmao

[feral jetty]

lowkey i might be able to get 1 digit this raid if i UE50 smika

am i gonna do it though?

lol, lmao

[polar orbit]

2x scrims and not a single purple this week...

[echo oar]

oh whaaaa

[copper crescent]

U said 500 eligma from shop

[steep vortex]

yeah, wr shop

sorry if i wasnt clear lmao

[opaque dagger]

Yea that's 500 currency, not 500 Ligma

It's 10 Ligma, purchasable 10 times

[echo oar]

where's the rest of the eligma

[copper crescent]

Am i high

[steep vortex]

im stupid

[opaque dagger]

[steep vortex]

nvm

[echo oar]

whew

[pure vessel]

ah right

[steep vortex]

continue

[pure vessel]

the first 30 increment in cost by 5

[copper crescent]

Smh making me doubt myself

[steady prairie]

He planned for 100 extra pulls during bhimari

[pure vessel]

and then the next 30 by 10

[steady prairie]

prob why

[pure vessel]

guess I'll do 30/10/10 prolly

farmmaxxing on A

[opaque dagger]

Anyway, I only made this calc because I'm broke ass and I need to minmax my refresh

I am still below 20k Pyros right now, btw

[shell tree]

it rhymes, so it checks out

[copper crescent]

1350 pyro per day for 60 refreshes

[echo oar]

🤝

[opaque dagger]

Anything above 20 is whel territory

[copper crescent]

37,800 pyro over the whole event

Wait no

[shell tree]

wtf

[copper crescent]

Whole event is 35 days not 28

[opaque dagger]

programmer font is real

[crude sable]

4006 achieved

[copper crescent]

47,250 for 35 days

[echo oar]

.txt files aint ever failed nobody

[opaque dagger]

At that point, go refresh 6x on 3x normal/hard lmao

[pure vessel]

I'm gonna clean out the one time pyrox and the monthly when the prefes maintenance drops

[opaque dagger]

More value

[copper crescent]

Oh my god two whole sparks to dump into ue70 atoki

[covert spoke]

we are all doing that at the same time ofc

[shell tree]

that doesn’t sound worth it at all

[opaque dagger]

I'm not. I am broke af

[pure vessel]

so that's about a 50k pyrox injection

[shell tree]

is your math right?

[opaque dagger]

0x4x on 3x normal/hard

[polar orbit]

i'll be 3xing on normal and hards

[copper crescent]

Yes I am sure

[echo oar]

I might 3x the 3x

[copper crescent]

1350 x 35 = 47,250

[shell tree]

but we don’t even know how much ue70 costs yet

[frail glen]

i am considering 6x4x on 3x normal

[opaque dagger]

Do you even need 60 refresh for UE70

[frail glen]

actually for luna invest

[pastel mortar]

3x4x is basic human rights for fest

[pure vessel]

I'm gonna be going 30/10/10 on raid tickets and x6x4 on x3 campaigns

[frail glen]

do we really need t10 across the board

or can t8 work at some point

[copper crescent]

No but we also don't know how much ue70 is

[pastel mortar]

Imagine not refreshing 😟

[covert spoke]

😟

[pure vessel]

anything that affects damage you want to max out on dps units

[shell tree]

how much would ue60 cost?

[pure vessel]

and you usually want all the health buffs on your support units

I slacc on charms

[covert spoke]

not refreshing 3x but going for ue50 toki seems a bit...

[pure vessel]

and hat/gloves on supports

[echo oar]

if you're 6xing 3x normals and aren't 6xing 2x normals after omnis come out, you either need em for binah/goz or your priorities are off 😤

[opaque dagger]

I mean...you get equip drops from raid clears

[copper crescent]

Idk tbh but rio has a calculator

[opaque dagger]

He blocked me, he can't see it

[shell tree]

I don’t know what this means

[copper crescent]

Wdf

[summer dew]

i think it kinda depends if ur going for the kaiju clears, or if you can cook on your own to throw more bodies

[covert spoke]

it doesnt change the fact that u need a lot of equip and not refreshing 3x is a choice

[copper crescent]

Oh idk then I can't use the calc rn

[covert spoke]

also omnis are kinda not that great

theyre nice but

[echo oar]

psmh

[copper crescent]

But seems like 30 should get u to ue60

[pure vessel]

omnis are good for lower rarity equipment

[echo oar]

1.5x for free isn't great

[pure vessel]

they help on t5s

[copper crescent]

30 over the 14 days

[pure vessel]

and t6

[covert spoke]

for higher tier stuff theyre pretty garbo

[pure vessel]

yeah

but you farm those directly

so

[echo oar]

hold on let me break out the calc again

[covert spoke]

so yeah like farming t10s during 3x is great

[pure vessel]

ye

[opaque dagger]

Audiens actually calc'd this, he said if you full farm T9/T10 you get enough Omnis to cover T2-8

[pure vessel]

I'm gonna stockpile the shit out of t10 pins and watches

[summer dew]

using universal bp for t6 is kinda bricc/whel

[echo oar]

not even full farm t9, you only have to farm half of t9 and all of t10 and omni everything else

[covert spoke]

but i dont really get what 6x during 2x means with omnis

[echo oar]

and you gain omnis this way

[covert spoke]

ur always getting them regardless so i dont see how that really changes it

[opaque dagger]

Does the Omnis get a 2x?

During 2x normals

[copper crescent]

Sensei is omniman

[summer dew]

they are normal drops from stages so yeah, they get the boost

[covert spoke]

u also get them from hards and stuff too yk

[copper crescent]

Yeah

[opaque dagger]

So yeah, if Audiens' calculations are right, full farming T9/T10 gets you more than enough to cover for T2-T8

[copper crescent]

Easily

Do u even need to farm for t9 tho

[opaque dagger]

Cos T10 drops some T7/T8 and T9 drops some T6/T7

You need, T10 alone not enough

[copper crescent]

Oh

[magic reef]

huuuuuge rank up

[covert spoke]

ya and t9 pin is a big one for all the team 4 and 5 dps if they dont have

[summer dew]

i think you still need to fill t6 every now and then manually

[steep vortex]

teach me how to get gold, ive only gotten silver max

[copper crescent]

No bc of omni bp

[covert spoke]

yeah probably for some slots

itll depend

[echo oar]

omnis increase your normal farm rate by 1.5x at the MINIMUM

[magic reef]

we comfi f2p are here to stay outside of plat!

[echo oar]

and that's if you assume you literally get t2-t5 for free

[copper crescent]

T2 income is now 10x

[opaque dagger]

Like, Audiens calc'd that farming T10 and half of T9 gives you enough Omnis already, if you full farm T9 it probably more than covers

So unless he calc'd wrong or the rates on wiki are wrong, should be correct

[covert spoke]

yeah but i dont know anyone who has the perfect ratio of slots already

so there will be some discrepancies for stuff you've prefarmed

[opaque dagger]

I think the calc assumes 1st drop rates right?

[echo oar]

what I mean is, if you deem 3x normals worthy of 6xing on, then 2x normals with omnis is just as good as a farm as 3x normals prior to omnis

[summer dew]

yeah nah it'll help a lot but not entirely remove the need for t6 farming

[empty verge]

does ~35% of killing kuro with one borrow uneru ex sound about right?

[opaque dagger]

But then you farm T8 instead of T6

[copper crescent]

That sounds weird

[opaque dagger]

Surely farming all of T10/T9/T8 covers everything

[echo oar]

therefore you should always 6x on 2x normals + omnis if you're willing to 6x on 3x normals without omnis in the picture

by your own set of values

if you don't, you're contradicting yourself

[empty verge]

im counting the fat hits only so far and assuming the rest is average crits

[copper crescent]

Oh yeah that looks ok

[echo oar]

but yeah farming t10 and half of t9 lets you omni literally everything else you need

you never touch t8 and below again

even if you start with 0 gear in your inventory

[polar orbit]

interesting

you should type of a doc with this if you haven't already

[echo oar]

I doubt people would listen anyway

[covert spoke]

what if i only care about t9/10 though

[copper crescent]

Yeah publish your findings

[polar orbit]

i would

[echo oar]

everyone who'll listen has already heard it most likely

[copper crescent]

If you show them the numbers people will have to disprove you

[covert spoke]

and like maybe some t8

and the majority are just pins alone

[grim finch]

omni debate again

[covert spoke]

of the omnis

[copper crescent]

Omniman

[covert spoke]

wouldnt the omnis be spread out more

[echo oar]

ooh I hadn't actually thought of it from that angle

I'd need to look at it again, but I'll do that sometime later today to see

[opaque dagger]

HOW IS THIS FREE

[summer dew]

omni is kinda dumb name for them but whatever im not gonna advocate against it

[polar orbit]

that's what i'm asking

[covert spoke]

its broken

[opaque dagger]

???????

[marble gust]

who even made this doc btw

[copper crescent]

Bc number of days

Rio

[marble gust]

who

[copper crescent]

Idk

[echo oar]

do people only think omni is dumb because of omniman

[polar orbit]

idk who that is

[echo oar]

cause that's dumb too

[covert spoke]

probably

[polar orbit]

we can call them ubs

[opaque dagger]

Is the 4 days really that significant

[copper crescent]

Yes

LOL

[covert spoke]

blank scrabble square blueprints

[echo oar]

4 days is +120 atoki elephs!

[copper crescent]

48 tix a day

[echo oar]

if you get full farm for those 4 days

[opaque dagger]

So UE50 + important shop items literally for free

[copper crescent]

Yes

[opaque dagger]

Only barrier to that is if people sweat their ass and clear early

[polar orbit]

i might just stick with 20 extra tix/day and ue70 prep

[covert spoke]

keep in mind its very likely we have a dead day

[echo oar]

ye ye

[covert spoke]

or two

[opaque dagger]

Yea I am aware

[covert spoke]

well one per phase

[copper crescent]

Rio did u count the initial 40 tix right after maint

[opaque dagger]

Most likely will still minimum 10x on P1, probably 20x on some days

[echo oar]

so for clarification, is this basically saying you have infinite t8 and below blueprints at your disposal

[covert spoke]

im more like saying

this is what my jp looks like

[copper crescent]

Not a lot tbh

[opaque dagger]

Ye, I asked Stark this afternoon when I made the sheet

[covert spoke]

i dont refresh much at jp, only 3x on otogi

[echo oar]

has jp had a 2x normals week yet?

[summer dew]

no

[copper crescent]

One t10 equip is 3,000 omnimans

[summer dew]

2x hard now

[covert spoke]

nah but 2x hard atm

[echo oar]

oooh

[polar orbit]

wtf after only like a month of farming

[echo oar]

eh still not the sheer power of 2x normals on t10 gear

hold on, quick calc

[copper crescent]

That's only 100ish t9 bp

After a month

[covert spoke]

tbf its been like otogi -> rei eligma farm - > 2x hards

[polar orbit]

that's a lot

[summer dew]

it kinda hovers around 2~3k when you still have lot of units to build

[copper crescent]

Tf

[summer dew]

idk how it translates to when you already have most gear up to date

[opaque dagger]

Bruh this is whiplash after the atrocious Kisaki event farm

Wtf do you mean all of this is free when I have to sweat my balls for 40 Aris Elephs

[covert spoke]

fest event

• world event

[copper crescent]

World raid

[polar orbit]

i'm not even done with the top row of the minigame shop. tbf i did take the first week off so

[steep vortex]

youre right, they should give us another week of the kisaki event to compensate

[covert spoke]

oh yeah btw

[echo oar]

you put 1000 AP a day on 2x normals, so that's 100 runs a day on pins x 7 days x 30 omnis per run = 21k pin omnis in a week of farm

your current stock is like 15% of that

[covert spoke]

you also get +1 toki eleph and +1 eligma after the event is over she gets instantly immorted

[copper crescent]

Huge

[echo oar]

imo people should wait till they actually get a 2x normals week

and then they'll see what omnis are really like

[covert spoke]

ive been using em

as well

[polar orbit]

guh

[copper crescent]

They'll be omning it so good

[old rose]

too stupid to understand, am i supposed to refresh tix or not ?

[polar orbit]

yes you are

[marble gust]

no shit

[echo oar]

10/10/10 or bust

[covert spoke]

yes but you refresh more phase 1

[echo oar]

20/10/10 if you feel dandy

[marble gust]

why so stingy

30/20/10

[old rose]

20/10/10 and i comfy clear shops and ue50 atoki?

[polar orbit]

i'm committed to 20/20/20 i think

[copper crescent]

Yes

[covert spoke]

30/20/20 pretty fine

[opaque dagger]

20/10/10 should be full clear + UE60

[old rose]

so why are people saying they're doing more than that

[polar orbit]

cause they are whale

[copper crescent]

Idk

[opaque dagger]

The raid drops kinda stonks

[copper crescent]

Bc they want ue70

[opaque dagger]

So I can understand 20/20/20

[old rose]

aren't u one of them

[opaque dagger]

30/20/20 too whel for me

[polar orbit]

[echo oar]

only you can decide how much ue50+ atoki is worth to you

[old rose]

oh rly the drops are good?

[copper crescent]

Assuming ue70 is 200, how many

[covert spoke]

that seems super wrong

[echo oar]

do you want the mood buff and eff buff on atoki

[polar orbit]

my goal is eventually all lunas f2p

[echo oar]

or is it worthless for you

[opaque dagger]

20/0/0 legit strat too, same cost as 10/10/10

[echo oar]

oh in terms of shop mats gained too?

[old rose]

no i mean u said u were 20/20/20 but also that people doing more than 20/10/10 were whel

so...

[echo oar]

you do get some extra raid rewards with 10/10/10

wait a sec...

never mind, with 2/2/1 weeks

[polar orbit]

i thought you meant more than 20 tickets a day

[old rose]

sounds like we have still not finished the math

[covert spoke]

i did like 25/20/20 and cleared most of shop 2 / shop 3 and like -5 toki eleph and then spend 20 eligma to ue40 toki

[copper crescent]

24/2/1

[covert spoke]

so if global has an extra 120 eleph thats still not getting close to my experience with it

[opaque dagger]

The sheet is available to clone if you wanna check the calcs

[grim finch]

free

[covert spoke]

but perhaps thats just what happens with absolute max efficiency 1pan but still

idk

i feel like somethings off, i dont even think ue60 is possible if you full clear shop 1

[old rose]

wait does event start immediately after maint end?

[grim finch]

ofc

[copper crescent]

Yes

[echo oar]

supposedly you start at 40/40 tickets, too

[copper crescent]

40/40 right off the bat

[covert spoke]

are you maybe counting first time toki rewards multiple times or something

[copper crescent]

Binah 1pan should be easy

[old rose]

4 am start...

[opaque dagger]

Nah

[pastel mortar]

3am wokeage nice

[grim finch]

4pm start comfy

[covert spoke]

her time to shine

[echo oar]

gonna wake up in the middle of the night to download it

or maybe I'll leave my cpu on so steam auto-downloads

bang out a quick binah run, then go back to sleep

[copper crescent]

Oh yeah binah got nerfed to 18.4m hp

Should be quick and easy clear

[grim finch]

3 uneru ex..

[copper crescent]

Yup

[old rose]

do borrows still cost money ?

[copper crescent]

40k

[covert spoke]

being the guy on the Clear Teams with a binah D clear at 3:02am with ue60 brio and bhimari...

[copper crescent]

Per

[opaque dagger]

20x refresh on P1 gets you 1k tix, so that's 50 raid clears, so that's 14k currency

[copper crescent]

I was once too broke to borrow for wr

Dajin opted to clear no borrows for wr

[grim finch]

120k x 4 x 35

[copper crescent]

Maybe it is the strat ngl

Maximizing gains by not borrowing

[old rose]

if u can clear with same number of teams and no borrow then ofc

[covert spoke]

you shouldnt really concern yourself with that in phase 1

[grim finch]

16.8m credit in 1 month

[covert spoke]

phase 2 and 3 u can w/e

[copper crescent]

120k per 20 tix, 4m credits over 14 days

[covert spoke]

if its difference between 1pan or 2 then not borrowing is costing money

[opaque dagger]

Full shop clear is 4010 + 510*25 = 16760

So if 20 tix refresh is 14k currency, 16760 for full clear + UE60, should be correct

[odd geyser]

[opaque dagger]

Of course, this assumes full 15 day duration (since event change at 0200 UTC)

Which is likely not happening

So gotta account for that

[grim finch]

wait, isnt 20 tix is just 1 run

[copper crescent]

Yes

280 per 20 tix

[covert spoke]

or 21 if 2 pan, 22 if 3pan etc

[rocky cosmos]

Event start 1 day after maint tho

Not right after

[opaque dagger]

Finishing 2 days early means you lose like, 6 or 7 runs

[old rose]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1031915219926138940/1485156131402678332/1485155829970636882.webp

[opaque dagger]

Wait, is it 1 day after maint?

[steep vortex]

oh thank god

[rocky cosmos]

It was

[old rose]

so everyone was just lying to me ?

[rocky cosmos]

We sit at 40 ticket for hours

[covert spoke]

yeah they gotta farm the gear

[echo oar]

incoming wall of text

[grim finch]

hih

[old rose]

guh

[echo oar]

okay so, if you have literally unlimited t8 and below blueprints for example, and only need to farm t9 and t10, then without omnis:

you sweep 28-4 175 times for 60 t10 pins
and sweep 25-4 146 times for 50 t9 pins

with omnis:

you sweep 28-4 140 times for 48 t10 pins and 2100 omnis
you get the remaining 12 t10 pins with 12x50 = 600 omnis
you get all 50 t9 pins with 50x30 = 1500 omnis

so you go from 321 sweeps without omnis to 140 sweeps with omnis to farm all your t10 + t9 needs

it's actually kind of unbelievable, but I think the math checks out?

[old rose]

that's a small wall

[echo oar]

don't call my wall small

[grim finch]

cant compete to enbac wall

[covert spoke]

is that on 1x

[echo oar]

1x yeah

divide the sweeps by 2, I guess for 2x?

[covert spoke]

im fuming if i get 48 pins from 140 sweeps man

yeah right

[echo oar]

say what

[old rose]

what

[echo oar]

it's a 34.4% drop rate

that's literally the average

[covert spoke]

yeah on

2x

i meant

i'd be fuming

[echo oar]

ah yeah yeah

[burnt aurora]

aimslop

[echo oar]

but I mean, if the math checks out, each sweep is 2.3x more powerful with omnis

[opaque dagger]

Chokmah starts on Wed but no such indicator for World Raid

[echo oar]

and that's at their WORST efficiency, using them on t10s and t9s

aka 2x normals with omnis is equivalent to 4.6x normals without omnis

[rocky cosmos]

I played jp that's what they did

I don't see reason they change it

[opaque dagger]

Hmmmm

We'll just have to wait for Tuesday to see what happens

[covert spoke]

my main question is more like

[grim finch]

wait patch note and find out

[covert spoke]

if it changes stuff like this situation

[opaque dagger]

Ah maybe that's why it felt so tight on JP

You guys had 1 less week, and then on top of that maint day you could not play

[echo oar]

uh is that a misquote?

what situation haha

[covert spoke]

jp | glb

jp has not finished iori

glb has

[echo oar]

yeah so you don't care about t5 bags, which is included in the situation where you only care about t9 and t10

[covert spoke]

right but the point is that those iori farms

[echo oar]

if you only care about t9 and t10, you don't care about t2-t8, t5 included?

[covert spoke]

now give t10 bags

via omnis

its not good but

it adds up in a way that previously is like a dead slot

[echo oar]

tbh I really don't get what your conclusion is...

what point is this trying to make

[marble gust]

dude

[echo oar]

rando hard farms that don't give you equips you care about just give you some extra omnis, nbd

[grim finch]

who is jehova elohim

[echo oar]

they just add to the stockpile, and it doesn't change your priorities when farming normals

[rocky cosmos]

It was technically only 5 days less

Also lemme check old message and see what time all the boss died

[echo oar]

and this is why I'm not gonna bother making a doc

[covert spoke]

no i get that but like we're farming hards for the eleph not the blueprints but i feel like the omnis make it so some slots get naturally easier just from that

[echo oar]

yeah, there'll be a good year or two where omnis just smooth out your gaps in gear

[covert spoke]

and might lead to some balancing stuff becoming more efficient

hibiki node a big one

[echo oar]

but that's so vague!

you gotta make an actual point, not just handwave stuff

[rocky cosmos]

JP first phase
It started on 21 jan 2 utc (with 40 tickets at the start)
End on 27 jan 11 ish utc

So not even a week

[echo oar]

I'm putting so much effort into actually giving practical examples

[rocky cosmos]

They sit at nothingness for ~2 days

[echo oar]

imo bags in particular are gonna be a non-issue with omnis

[rocky cosmos]

If global get extra 5 days of phase 1 that's nearly double the income

[covert spoke]

its more like, doesnt the static efficiency of 2.4 ignore longer term stuff with passive omni income from stuff that previous was essentially a dead slot

[echo oar]

that's what I have after farming tons of 3* hards

[covert spoke]

ive 6x'd some 2x normals without omnis too

im more just

curious

[echo oar]

ahh it might? but I think accounting for the inefficiency of using omnis on t9s and t10s instead of farming them and omni'ing t8 and below means the efficiency's still gonna go up, even when you factor in rando equipment drops from other sources

I'd have to look more at that though

[covert spoke]

i dont remember but did they buff the uh

these type stages

cuz if not then theyre getting left behind a little

[echo oar]

not according to schaledb

[rocky cosmos]

All I remember is those stage can't drop arti before

[wicked vine]

i want hibiki landmine ingame NOW

[rocky cosmos]

And by before I mean 2 years ago
If you meant recent buff then no

[echo oar]

seriously though, this imo is the baseline

I doubt even 1% of players who started around the same time as me has farmed hards as much as me

[torn thorn]

[covert spoke]

glad to be one of the 1/10

[echo oar]

I literally farmed 7 hard nodes daily through most events for 6 months

if not more

[wicked vine]

hibiki landmine actually just has landmines and it would be in character

[empty verge]

strongest farmer of today vs strongest farmer in history

[echo oar]

hold on this is silly

[echo oar]

I forgot what tier, but I upgraded literally all of my bag users to some teir

[covert spoke]

she is air mortar not landmines

[wicked vine]

dont car landmine

[lilac solar]

what if we had ball commissions

[echo oar]

because I knew I would literally never run out of anything below that tier

[covert spoke]

i could do that but

its a bit credit waste

[echo oar]

yeah literally all of my bag users have t8+

[covert spoke]

well until t9

i think i did it for t4 bags

[echo oar]

aka bag omnis are gonna be a surplus too