💬gameplay-discussion

[frail glen]

YES

[gleaming wren]

livestream is just around the corner tho

[frail glen]

there is even a scene leaked inside the Corrections Bureau

which is why I think

limied gon be fox squad

[gleaming wren]

Ayame if you count her

tho i like her og look more

but it looks like she's gonna stay the way she is now

[proven dove]

As a reader I have "some" trust in the writing team :3 if loose threads & momentum are that noticeable to me, surely they know about it even more :p

So I see it's made for the future.

I enjoyed v1c3 very much as hoshino's personal story.

If I get certain that the potential is wasted believe me I'd be an annoying hater

[frail glen]

they prob originally planned Suou to be a foil to hoshino, them having similar heterochromia traits and whatever

also, doesn't Suou act sort of like Hoshino before meeting Yume?
Could be yet another, what if situation

[gleaming wren]

stop

[proven dove]

Yes, and suou clearly meant to hide it. You can't make stuff like that and not explain it eventually

[gleaming wren]

i think of suou and i just think she had a mental breakdown and ended up in the asylum

[quiet raft]

I just like her design, I don't care, I will pull and read

women in uniform are hot.

[frail glen]

and wake up in a hospital, finding out that she is in a coma for many years

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-metal-gear-solid-phantom-pain-venom-snake-gif-5631901306578330322

[quiet raft]

But why Suou talk all of a sudden?

[proven dove]

||suou likely knows where the real notebook is btw ||

[proven dove]

Me traumatizing whitel

[pallid inlet]

Insane

[quiet raft]

Oh, I cheese, story speech and dooming she will never be playable.

[frail glen]

||I have a feeling notebook prob has something to do with Binah||

[pallid inlet]

What raidless does to an mf

[quiet raft]

Make a raid

[ancient star]

There are a few NPCs I hope to pull in the future regardless if they are niche or whatever: Kaguya, Misuzu and Azami (copium)

[quiet raft]

then

[frail glen]

Kaguya enjoyer

[pallid inlet]

Jfd sucks balls

[frail glen]

🤝

[quiet raft]

Misuzu is the big Valkyrie elf?

[ancient star]

https://tenor.com/view/hifumi-yes-gif-608311432188940093

[ancient star]

Kaguya design is sooooooo peak

[proven dove]

I still didn't do today's tickets, too tired now for luna

[quiet raft]

tbh, Shuro looks too playable to remain an NPC

[pallid inlet]

I’m done with TA

[quiet raft]

not my favourite design but I wouldn't be surprised

[proven dove]

We will get kaguya no worries

[quiet raft]

Heromi looks good too

[pallid inlet]

They did not cook with the next jfd

[pastel mortar]

Never hear my opinion in a story, but I too enjoyed it.
It was good

[gleaming wren]

i like ayame cuz i projected too hard on her struggles

[ancient star]

Yeah, Kaguya should be soon ™

[quiet raft]

but overall I want NPCs Suou and

I forgot

[frail glen]

ngl the chance we getting kaguya is getting slim
if they had qipao cherino first rerun then Kaguya def when immort
but now qipao cherino is prob going to be the banner for immort
unless they add two banners for an immort event (unlikely)

[quiet raft]

Oh yeah, Mirai sounds fun

[gleaming wren]

mirai's gonna be a welfare of an almost unrelated event to her just like rabu

im calling it

[quiet raft]

true probably

[frail glen]

what if mirai rerun banner for Magical

[ancient star]

I mean, just release a new Shanhaijing event, problem solved

[gleaming wren]

don't say that, shimiko is way better

[proven dove]

It was a very japanese themed story (duh) and her struggles were related a lot by the jp side.

[ancient star]

90% sure is going to be M.Shimiko rerun

[proven dove]

Mirai will get her own event to be recruitable

[gleaming wren]

burden of expectations breaking someone peak writing

[ancient star]

Yeah, I think so too

[pastel mortar]

Problem with skipping event stories is I don't know half the npcs

[frozen chasm]

I hate this one tbh

not even a dork

its just stupid

[proven dove]

Every rerun before 5th fes were doomed as their new units would be in the upcoming selector.

They didn't want that.

But now they can release as many alts in rerun as they want

[frail glen]

makes sense

[ancient star]

All you need to know is that her name is Kaguya and she is peak and she should be out of NPC jail soon

[dim frigate]

excellent design

[gleaming wren]

i got the perfect solution for you bro

[frail glen]

KAI IF YOU MAKE KAGUYA SMALL
I SHALL NEVER FORGIVE YOU

[gleaming wren]

what if you don't skip event stories

[frail glen]

no seriously please do not make kaguya small

[pastel mortar]

Yes I approve

We need more hags

[ancient star]

SO TRUE

We suffered enough with smol Rumi

[dim frigate]

Konoka breaking out of jail was great

[frail glen]

Rena breaking out so soon was very unexpecting ngl

however, now tsumugi has hope

[proven dove]

Shanhaijin events story was educating about the inner chinese mindset (even though it may be an old one)

[gleaming wren]

i dislike small alts not because they're small, but because it's very unlikely the char is ever seen with an alt of a different outfit ever again

[ancient star]

Tsumugi forever NPC, sorry

[dim frigate]

I mean they obviously really like the Wildhunt characters

so prob sooner than later

[marble gust]

[ancient star]

Probably Wildhunt rerun at the very least

[gleaming wren]

not to mention they break the character heavily, so it's not like having the same char

[frail glen]

now we are talking about small

[ancient star]

No Swimsuit Shun

[frail glen]

GSC (small)

😭

[proven dove]

If the game survives long enough, you will see another alt of that student :p

[gleaming wren]

i don't think I'll ever live to see another alt of shun

its more likely that we get an alt of shunny

[frail glen]

ye that's what I am feeling too

[proven dove]

Unless they add some dress up system

[frail glen]

[frail glen]

they start selling skins?

Boshino hoshino first year skin

[frozen chasm]

man I love this bracket

I've been staying on the same spot for 3 days

without a single attack

[halcyon latch]

Immediately gets attacked

[gleaming wren]

i wanna spook kikyoooooou

[proven dove]

It's the name they asked jp players about in the survey last year.

Would you like a bp ?
Would you like a dress up system for the students to be added ?

Etc

[proven dove]

Same but for her summer ver

[gleaming wren]

of course

we are selfish

we only want what the other has

such is the nature of humans

[marble gust]

rank 2 camping

[proven dove]

New short

Pretty sure fes is makoto ibuki iroha, and one of either satsuki or chiaki is welfare :3

[gleaming wren]

Ehhh

I don't particularly like them

That reminds i don't have base iroha

[empty verge]

i just spooked her a few days ago

does she have an alt?

[gleaming wren]

No

[quiet raft]

well, she has not received much of a characterization like the other failures like Marina or Aru, give her some time

[quiet raft]

you mean not even defense rewardw?

[frozen chasm]

ye

[quiet raft]

that would be sadder

[frozen chasm]

I didnt get attacked at all

[proven dove]

The fes will make you like them :p tbh I don't feel all these shorts will be for a perma event.

Especially if they do, devs will feel like they're discriminatory to gehenna student council since trinity's got its fes

[frozen chasm]

good for me tbh

that means I dont have to care about pvp

[quiet raft]

I like the extra cheap coins

[gleaming wren]

im gonna be honest

[proven dove]

Soon enough

[quiet raft]

but I got kicked out off 500 bracket

[empty verge]

ibuki rerun pls

i started playing too late

[gleaming wren]

outside of PS68, Haruna, Iori and Ako I genuinely don't like Gehenna

[empty verge]

shed have unironically made this raid easier forme

[gleaming wren]

for red winter i discovered i just didn't like cherino's crew

[astral fern]

I like fuuka and aru from gehenna but rest eeh

[half heath]

What are the uses of BOji outside of peroro

[empty verge]

who?

[proven dove]

Gehenna isn't developed enough as a school story wise, same with red winter.

They need the focus that trinity had in v3 to (possibly) shine

[empty verge]

boshi?

[half heath]

yes

[empty verge]

shirokuro

kurokage cleanup

[teal nova]

chokmah

[empty verge]

true

[frozen chasm]

reminder to do your last raid attempts

[proven dove]

Tank ver has a lot of uses

[gleaming wren]

gehenna stories will always live in the shadow of hina

problem too hard hina has to intervene

[empty verge]

ibuki carrying gehenna ngl

[proven dove]

Ibuki will be revealed as the real student council president!

[gleaming wren]

she is

if Ibuki tells makoto to evade taxes to make 12 statues of her she would do it

[empty verge]

sorry i skipped the entire story, idk how that works

[quiet raft]

I do like Sena

[proven dove]

You just need to awaken and like hina

I get you but I think maybe the dress event made this feeling stronger.

[gleaming wren]

it's funny when fanworks just depict Ibuki as playing pretend and make her tired of everything

[proven dove]

Read it è_é

(One day)

[empty verge]

can i read it after skipping?

[quiet raft]

gee, I didn't know Hatsune Miku is a Gehenna student

[proven dove]

You can't have blue archives without "archives"

[frozen chasm]

bruhhhhh

[empty verge]

are all the smug ones gehenna or what

[frozen chasm]

I used sena between the transition

and it just disappeared

[gleaming wren]

I think it was just something that pissed me off in the cooking event,
"-we don't have permission cuz Ako can't talk!!!!"
"+don't worry im john hina and will appear for 5 seconds to give you the permission"
"-wow john hina so cool saving the day with no effort!!!"

[quiet raft]

but it's fine to not like an entire faction

like I guess the gourmet society is not all to my liking

[quiet raft]

or Ako seems rather annoying despite her being pretty

[empty verge]

im spending every 120 pyrox i get on pulling for oshig because i accidentally bought 76 eleph after ue40-ing her, so i wanna spark and ue50 now

[gleaming wren]

i really like ako's dynamic with sensei

[empty verge]

ty

[gleaming wren]

it's funny and it's something only she can do

[quiet raft]

didn't expect that, but yeh

[random lake]

hatsune miku is an everywhere student

[proven dove]

It's the natural chain of command in military stuff. I feel people wouldn't complain that much about it if it was anyone besides hina in that situation u_u

Sensei saved the day really in that moment :p

[quiet raft]

my world

[proven dove]

Ako is both toxic and wholesome.

[gleaming wren]

i just think it didn't need to be included cuz it didn't give or take anything from the scene, it was just an excuse to put hina cuz it was a gehenna event

they could have just made ako not pass out lol

anyway

[quiet raft]

I also like Megu

[gleaming wren]

i forget megu and kasumi are gehenna

i keep relating them to red winter

[proven dove]

Kasumi is very much interesting

[quiet raft]

she's just too chaotic to dislike and in the end she has good intentions

[strange ridge]

I thibk that is much of her points

[gleaming wren]

the mobs are too red-winter-coded

if u know what i mean

[tender olive]

For a second I realized megu is a gahenna but I've been knowing her as red winter students tf

[strange ridge]

If she was a RW student, she would definitely be revolting against somethinf

[random lake]

does preservation count give you your luna score if you do it again and cancel/fail?

[gleaming wren]

no

[strange ridge]

Iirc no

[tender olive]

If u fail, score will be torment but less from the very score

[gleaming wren]

it gives you the lowest time of the difficulty below the target

as in: preservation from torment > lowest from insane

luna > torment

so on so forth

your previous clears don't matter

[random lake]

i see

[tender olive]

I will clear tor 1 ticket burnt

[random lake]

btw whats the lowest tor point amount?

[tender olive]

To get 100 dias

[tender olive]

Probably 40M

[strange ridge]

36M I guess

[torn thorn]

I will lick Kasumi

[random lake]

no, there are clears with worse times

[quiet raft]

onsen event confuses a lot of people?

[random lake]

36.000.000?

[quiet raft]

She is indeed lickable.

[strange ridge]

No. Its just a rough estimation

[candid gust]

Oh Noa's birthday

Glad I have both ver

😋

[eternal thorn]

I have no noa

[random lake]

2 noa havers 🤝 are yours built?

[candid gust]

Not PNoa

[random lake]

og noa raised respect

wait... did u raise her for yesod?

[candid gust]

[candid gust]

hieronymus

[random lake]

interesting choice

[empty verge]

i lvld noa for yesod (only did torment)

[candid gust]

i didn't have skanna to bald

so i used noa

[empty verge]

skanna doesnt have focus fire right?

[random lake]

you dont need it in hiero

[gleaming wren]

no

[empty verge]

oh for hiero

[gleaming wren]

wtf don't use skanna in hiero

malder

[empty verge]

fuyu territory

[strange ridge]

Thet will force S. Kanna in it if they can

[empty verge]

skanna for binah tho

[random lake]

gotta have Explosive Effectiveness 300% buff on the boss

[strange ridge]

Agaib

[empty verge]

f2p alternative to akane (whale option)

[strange ridge]

They will force S. Kanna if they can.

[candid gust]

who

[summer dew]

You can use Joe's tool to get the minimum scores for each difficulty, just use 60min as time spent

[candid gust]

[gleaming wren]

body made for binah

[empty verge]

invest

[random lake]

fuyu stonks

[empty verge]

i spooked her

[random lake]

ty

[random lake]

whats the difference between single team mode and multiple team mode?

does using more than 1 team affect score?

[strange ridge]

...depends on how yoy speedrun

[torn thorn]

Multiple team mode just lets you enter invidual timez for each team

Rather than total time

[random lake]

ah, so its just accessibility for the site

[summer dew]

Nothing afaik in terms of math yeah

[empty verge]

skoharu, s karin, yakumo, ny akari, takane, pyuuka, rei, s renge, c kotama, ichika, ny haruka, miyako, reijo, qtomoe, renge,niya, atsuko, satsuki, nagisa, shasumi, c shiroko, b kazusa, eri, saki.... all lvl 1 and i wish they were invested

game too stingy w resources

[gleaming wren]

too many words

can you simplify it

[empty verge]

many useful sstudents

all lvl 1

game too stingy

[gleaming wren]

oh

the usual

[empty verge]

id be able to do so many more frr and TA/GA if they were raised

[summer dew]

Tbf

[gleaming wren]

well yeah

that's how it is

[summer dew]

If gacha game didn't time gate some shit

[gleaming wren]

Not starting day 1

[summer dew]

They would run out of business

[empty verge]

its over for jun 2025 senseis

it. never started

[gleaming wren]

you're kidding me you're june 2025

and you got kurokage luna

before me

ill

[torn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066655353158250548/1480752237520359586/slowedsmh.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1406371575493820496/1406371610440634541/momoiskillissue.gif

krkg Luna literally free…

[gleaming wren]

Archer 💢

[torn thorn]

who are you even missing

[frozen chasm]

my brain

[gleaming wren]

kikyou imari yukari oshigure and built purple DPS

[frozen chasm]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/88/a0/67/88a067e41a242a28276e1ec738f7f1fd.gif

[torn thorn]

Who needs yukari

[gleaming wren]

just saying names

[old rose]

don't compare urself to a leviathan

[empty verge]

f2p cant compete

[quiet raft]

[summer dew]

You did luna too and 1mo younger

[old rose]

im just lucc sacc

[gleaming wren]

tho im september 2024

[empty verge]

duck pretends to be f2p but buys nutsuki...

[old rose]

it was supposed to be imari

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1388423110755352667.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=psmh

[empty verge]

kraken

[old rose]

limited scamtix scammed me

[summer dew]

Duck said nutsu just appeared on his roster

Magic

[quiet raft]

why the kaijus?

[old rose]

er actually no it was an unknown source

bugged or smth

[empty verge]

kaijduck

[quiet raft]

I am f2p, I am just very new with lots of free pyros

[summer dew]

So magic then

[old rose]

probably

[empty verge]

i also got imari from an unknown source

[strange ridge]

Duckzilla

[summer dew]

I skipped the unknown source

Now i pay with hair

[quiet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-this-fucking-sucks-ichika-trinity-clap-gif-18359083665371914408

[frozen chasm]

oh wait

wrong server

[gleaming wren]

wait ecstasy are u whel

[summer dew]

Lmao

[old rose]

lol even

[gleaming wren]

spent the money of the date in a date with kurokage?

[summer dew]

He spent every currency available for this luna clear pretty much

[empty verge]

no im f2p

i just manage my resources optimally

[random lake]

a june 2025 player gotta be a whale to be able to clear luna in less than a year from starting

[old rose]

[ashen goblet]

I was the only f2p clear 😔

[gleaming wren]

wow so he spent all of his credit card too...

[summer dew]

Probably

[old rose]

bro was buying pakeji to buy credits from pyrox shop

[random lake]

i was

[empty verge]

i pulled oshig for the groggy fix team

[old rose]

pulled ue50 mine just by coincidence too

[gleaming wren]

wdym ue50 mine

[empty verge]

i spooked her more than i intended

[gleaming wren]

[old rose]

"spooked"

[gleaming wren]

ah yes sure

Whatever buddy

[empty verge]

i pulled but i got like 20 copies

[random lake]

20 copies in a 10 pull

[gleaming wren]

where's those gacha flex screenshots

[old rose]

not hard to get 20 copies with 2000 pulls

[empty verge]

i didnt even spark her

i sparked reisa

for a dupe

[summer dew]

[gleaming wren]

unrelated

[empty verge]

i dont ss

gacha

[gleaming wren]

liar liar pants on fire

lying is lava

[empty verge]

this is a f2p clear

where skill > investment

[quiet raft]

ecstasy lied as naturally as he breathes

[gleaming wren]

is that ue60 shanako and ue40 momiji also f2p

[empty verge]

yes

[gleaming wren]

ue50 mreisa

[quiet raft]

holy momiji believer

[gleaming wren]

lol what the fuck am i seeing

[empty verge]

200 pulls only

[ashen goblet]

Bro im almost 2 years in and my momiji is 4 stars

[gleaming wren]

ue40 rio snagisa sshiroko

get outta here

[empty verge]

[summer dew]

Only monthly pakeji and good luck trust

[gleaming wren]

ue60 hikari

but i understand cuz waifu

I'd do the same thing

[empty verge]

(i didnt know what i was doing i was new)

[gleaming wren]

im not new and I ue50'd smoe

[empty verge]

how old ur acc

[gleaming wren]

september 2024

[empty verge]

what was the jurassic like, unc

[old rose]

#💬gameplay-discussion message

looks f2p to me

[gleaming wren]

lol I can't even comment on this

hahahahahaha

[empty verge]

are you f2p

[ashen goblet]

ue60 iori when that btch takes an eternity to farm

[empty verge]

i farmed bro

[gleaming wren]

Yeah i am

[ashen goblet]

You time traveled

[halcyon latch]

2x tomorrow bruh

[gleaming wren]

fym Pinocchio

[strange ridge]

Tbf back then there was Trip Trap Train which sold 50 Iori elephs

Not sold

But gave it as an achievement.

[ashen goblet]

My iori will live and die at ue50

[strange ridge]

Trip Trap Train was peak farming 🧎‍♂️

[gleaming wren]

ill go back to farming Iori when i reach Hinata ue60 10 years from now

[strange ridge]

They should bring back a Trip Trap Train farming

Although we know Nexon won't pull that off anytime soon.

[empty verge]

f2p with ue60 smika, dhina and ue50 mika, kuroko, shanako and god knows how many more students?

[gleaming wren]

yeah i need equipment selectors

[empty verge]

whale comment

[summer dew]

not a single fucking iori spook and i am doing both her nodes daily for whoknowsforhowlong

[empty verge]

you're giving yourself away

[strange ridge]

Hang in there

[gleaming wren]

not that many, aren't you the 10 month old f2p

[ashen goblet]

Ue50 thasumi 🐳

[quiet raft]

all three or just one?

[vestal kernel]

the event rerun gives it for free no

[karmic hatch]

You will get there my neru from 4* to ue40 take like 1,5y

[ripe mason]

ue60 thasumi was free

[strange ridge]

I guess since TTTs elephs were Iori, Hasumi, and Tsurugi, we'll never get a new batch

[gleaming wren]

im not old enough for ue60

sorry gang

[strange ridge]

The immortalization gives you UE50 T. Hasumi for free

[gleaming wren]

i disappointed you

[ashen goblet]

And whales live freely

[summer dew]

might pause iori after ue30 ngl

to focus on others

[strange ridge]

Not even whales

[quiet raft]

whales like to eat these krill

[gleaming wren]

heh

[vestal kernel]

its kaitengers after big fat cat right

[summer dew]

kaiten ga in a week yeah

or like 8 days whatever

[strange ridge]

If you were a f2p who was active during the time of Get Set Go event (at least the rerun), you are given a free UE50 T. Hasumi

[vestal kernel]

other than dhina blast what is the most important investment for torment

[ashen goblet]

Shes still given free now

[strange ridge]

And then when the immortalization of GSG landed, you're given the same amount of elephs to UE50 T. Hasumi from zero.

[summer dew]

idk im balling every raid with whatever

[worldly sun]

Ue60 thasumi is the mark of a true 🦖

[strange ridge]

What I'm saying is:

We need an eleph to eligma converter

[frail glen]

maybe the real trex is the dino we made along the way

[worldly sun]

That’s exactly why it will never happen tho

[frail glen]

prob not gonna happen because that would mean EP shop will get a major overhaul

[strange ridge]

UE70 we'll get eleph to ligma converter trust

[worldly sun]

Thrust

[frail glen]

thrust?

[summer dew]

thrust

[ashen goblet]

ue70 will be +10% atk speed

And mandatory for speed runs

[frail glen]

+10% cost recovery for special slot

ngl I can see it happen

[worldly sun]

Unlikely

Again it would have to be more meaningless than ue60

[strange ridge]

That +10% cost recovery for specials is just straight up busted.

[frail glen]

i mean +0.5 was not exactly meaningless

[strange ridge]

Subskill buff

[worldly sun]

I’d expect something like 5% dmg reduction for striker or something

[worldly sun]

It kinda is

Not sure what for special

[ashen goblet]

ue50 on specials is more meaningless than ue60

[worldly sun]

Not if it’s a dps

[strange ridge]

Depends on who

[frail glen]

special dps

[ashen goblet]

the usual suspects

aka enablers

[worldly sun]

But ue50 is useless on non dps anyway striker or special

[old rose]

+1 cost recovery

[strange ridge]

Even then, one would UE50 them for more stats

[old rose]

trust

[worldly sun]

Stat transfer from gun stats…
Yes +10 atk is big boost worth the ligma cost

[strange ridge]

Not that

I said sometimes

[frail glen]

sounds like top 1 chasing category

[strange ridge]

UE50 M. Reisa bejng able to heal more than UE40

[empty verge]

give me that c shiroko for chokmah

f2p like me cant go beyond f74

[gleaming wren]

you were saying

[frail glen]

I haven't been buying B shiroko elephs

[strange ridge]

Let me guess, 190/200

[frail glen]

I might be cooked

[gleaming wren]

182

but yeah

[strange ridge]

You ARE cooked

[empty verge]

LMFAOOOO that ue40 s shizuko sure screams f2p

[vestal kernel]

oh im supposed to do that whoops

[gleaming wren]

she's f2p

[frail glen]

I sneezed and bought Natsu elephs

even when I already have kanoe

[ancient star]

Only two raids want UE50 specials so yeah... UE50 on specials is for the most part, useless

[strange ridge]

Yes and hell no

[random lake]

whale behaviours real talk how she is not ue60

[quiet raft]

but muh stat transfers...

[strange ridge]

Why are you not buying Sena and B. Asuna elephs,m

[gleaming wren]

expert permits are a wonderful thing

[frail glen]

dk where I can use them

[strange ridge]

Just buy them

[quiet raft]

fucking kurokage?

[strange ridge]

And unlock them

[quiet raft]

[frail glen]

they are not even used in luna teams

[ancient star]

Bro has 1.8k coins 🥀

[random lake]

achievements

[strange ridge]

You'll get free pyrox by doing bond stories

[frail glen]

?

[quiet raft]

That's only cuz you haven't tried.

[frail glen]

you don't need ue to do bond stories

[strange ridge]

200 + 240 pyrox

[vestal kernel]

what is b asuna used for

[strange ridge]

*Relationship stories

[ancient star]

Are you assuming Eternal doesn't have them unlocked yet?

[frail glen]

I already have them

[frosty harbor]

b asuna is randomly useful

[strange ridge]

AoE def down + Basic+ Battery in intervals

[quiet raft]

WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT MANY BLUE COINS?

[ashen goblet]

Shes not BiS in anything.

[frail glen]

STN invest

[quiet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/aris-blue-archive-yuuka-blue-archive-yuuka-hit-aris-gif-14467652271183248737

[random lake]

get those pyrox from 5 starring students and giving weapon

[strange ridge]

Absolutelt nothing

Either way

[empty verge]

what does BiS stand for?

[quiet raft]

Hecking Kaiju

[random lake]

best in slot

[frail glen]

I bought kaede and s wakamo

[empty verge]

ty

[strange ridge]

Not buying them because you don't want to is like refusing free food

[quiet raft]

b50 sena

instead

[strange ridge]

Ok sure not exactly free food

But its free

[ashen goblet]

Why ue60 sena when you can buy technotes as craft fodder

[vestal kernel]

If i already have kikyou and s kanna and mine do i still invest in her? I feel like i have the better alternatives

[frail glen]

not exactly craft fodder

[ashen goblet]

You are never using her

[frail glen]

but I do need STN

like LOTS of them

[summer dew]

there is no ga blue coin stn

[frail glen]

I only have 2 STN

[strange ridge]

AoE debuffer, you really can get help with more options

[frail glen]

which is not ideal

[quiet raft]

gourmet food or plain rice and noodles without any spice?

[random lake]

until the TS only raid that only allows TS healer comes

[ancient star]

Far from ideal

[strange ridge]

You don't have tech note sheets?

[ashen goblet]

No, unless you are desperate to clear something in the moment, you can buy the elephs to give her ue if you want.

[quiet raft]

forgot to put the e on spice and got automodded

[worldly sun]

You probably won’t use her much at all and you shouldn’t build randomly but you should still buy out eleph

[vestal kernel]

ok true ill buy the elephs starting from now

[frosty harbor]

there is no reason to not get elephs

[frail glen]

used them all

also

can you buy STN with blue GA coins?

[strange ridge]

No

[summer dew]

no

[frail glen]

can't find it in the GA section

CRAP

this might be a using purple to buy STN moment ngl

[worldly sun]

Finish your elephs first

[quiet raft]

ue60 chihiro

[strange ridge]

And even then, its will be as expensive as buying a full rare GA Coin eleph set

[worldly sun]

At least ue60 koharu/azusa

[frail glen]

why ue60 koharu

she a healer no?

[strange ridge]

Yeah no buy all the elephs forst before you even wprry about STN

[ashen goblet]

Saving to buy mats for students in the future is not a bad idea, you usually dont need ue60 chihiro or chinatsu

[frail glen]

ue30 suffice

[random lake]

koharu is great

[worldly sun]

More healing

[frail glen]

okay fair

[random lake]

get her ue60

[strange ridge]

UE60 has more stats

[frail glen]

but why azusa

[worldly sun]

Ue60 actually has a breakpoint on geb

[empty verge]

sketchy for kurokage p2

[strange ridge]

Meaning more healing

[quiet raft]

I don't like Asuza I ignore her elephs

[worldly sun]

Also koharu dps is real

[frail glen]

but why azusa

[random lake]

azusa is DEF down bot

[strange ridge]

Denying free meat

[frail glen]

I can see a point for Chihiro and koharu

[quiet raft]

wrong

[worldly sun]

She’s red maki

[quiet raft]

I am buying Chihiro and Koharus

[empty verge]

i dont have azusa, will have 600 purple coins, azusa coins > STN?

[frosty harbor]

i left them slightly short of ue 60 so that if i EVER go crazy and want to try a strat with ue 60, i can do it that instant instead of waiting few months

[worldly sun]

Chihiro doesn’t gain anything mechanically past 3* and ue30 is just stat transfer

[frail glen]

but is there even a high def boss that requires you to run a red maki and a defense down?

[frosty harbor]

this

[frail glen]

I mean like

I can also just run Maki

[worldly sun]

You shouldn’t be buying STN unless you need them, it’s not something you have to stock on

[empty verge]

i have like 2 STN and i need to use one

[worldly sun]

Get them from jfd anyway

[random lake]

well for azusa it'd be extra AA damage i guess. not that meaningful but why not? when you use her for her def down might as well get extra chip

[frosty harbor]

chihiro is also good for hod, so take her up please

[worldly sun]

Maki dies to hiero

[frail glen]

I already bought them from JFD

[strange ridge]

I am sorry, but if you don't take free stuff you're like ignoring free food

[frail glen]

I need more STN

[old rose]

they're different armors as well

[worldly sun]

Anyway farm your farmables

That’s all there is

[strange ridge]

You need more options

[empty verge]

i need to lvl 10 a couple of skills from meta students... (one from uneru, one from boshi, and one from snagi)

[old rose]

and different ranges

[quiet raft]

I regret bothing

[frail glen]

wtf

seal maki

[quiet raft]

Chihiro useful for bote?

[strange ridge]

You're going to brick yourself one way or another if you keep up that mindset

[strange ridge]

P1

[old rose]

usable in p1

[strange ridge]

Where it needs CC

[ancient star]

You really can't just buy all the elephs everytime

[quiet raft]

Yeah, that's what I kinda wanted to ask

[empty verge]

so true, and even if i unlock say azusa, what good is she if i cant build her

[quiet raft]

I wonder if Koharu will not have survivability issues on boat

[empty verge]

alr giving decent gear and skill is difficult

let alone UE

[quiet raft]

since wakamo is piercing

[summer dew]

[strange ridge]

P2? Uh

I guess...

Try it out

[atomic arrow]

tax evasion

[strange ridge]

UE60 T10 Haipin with high bond and LB HP migjt

[frail glen]

I think i just

[spice basin]

Hopefully don't need a healer in p1 boat

[frail glen]

have better options available

[empty verge]

i bought s wakamo, maki and koharu eleph

[quiet raft]

squeaky clean besides maki ue

[summer dew]

i-- i can explain!
i'm still uhh thinking

[frail glen]

so I technically do not need to focus on elephs that much

unless I want do a 5pan luna

[atomic arrow]

depends on the team

[old rose]

if you never plan to do difficult content then you will almost never need farmables

[ripe mason]

Not enough grayed out smh

[ancient star]

I agree that unlocking should be a priority, but then after that you either focus on buying one or two shop units to farm to UE or you are left without coins for Blurays / Tech Notes after buying as many units as you possible can

[quiet raft]

I will probably need a bunch of blu rays

[frail glen]

okay but what if I am mega kaiju

[spice basin]

Eimi hifumi uneru fubuki

[old rose]

even for mega kaiju some content needs farmables

like boat

[frail glen]

I will do boat when it is 3 panable

ez

[ancient star]

Personally, I focus on buying at least two units per currency and then the rest on materials that I need

[frail glen]

[atomic arrow]

yeah no healer needed, eimi self heals and you summon new peroros

[old rose]

ok... if u never plan to do a raid if it requires farmables, then yes u don't need to farm farmables

wow

that's amazing

[frail glen]

ikr

[gleaming wren]

since i bought out tsurugi eimi and sumire I can spend those jfd coins in stn instead

[ancient star]

Also yeah, just farm what you know you need for raids

[quiet raft]

green is unlocked, I also spooked S wawako so I can use fully my resources to ex skills

[gleaming wren]

[quiet raft]

huh?

[old rose]

speaking of figuring out what u need for raids, the plana stats recommendation tool is pretty cool

[frail glen]

OH CRAP NO WONDER I HAVE SO MANY YELOW COIN

[quiet raft]

oh, had to reboot discord

[frail glen]

I FORGOT TO BUY TRINITY MATS

ARRGGHHHH

[quiet raft]

[empty verge]

I think buying farmables for Luna is suboptimal. Those Luna are available with farmables from long ago to dinosaurs, but future Lunas will be available to the dinosaurs that started now with units that should be built now. If we don't buy materials with TA/GA coins, we won't be able to build them

[tall glacier]

Eternaldebt

Woe be upon ye

[astral fern]

I have to stock up on millennium tho

Waris and Atoki soon

[old rose]

yea go ahead and try luna binah without maki

[frail glen]

oh nooo

gg

[quiet raft]

also kei

[frail glen]

might not have enough for i mari

this is pain

[quiet raft]

and Bhimari

[astral fern]

That too ig

[astral fern]

Who

[quiet raft]

you going for brio?

[tall glacier]

[vestal kernel]

isnt her def down effect stackable with other throwable def down? iirc maki and shanako dont stack but azoos does(?)

[strange ridge]

I wish they fill out a new student to be available for purchase in TA shop yellow coins.

[astral fern]

Only if I get bhimari ig

[quiet raft]

or you don't like FREE MONEY?

[astral fern]

Wdym

[proven dove]

You can aim for reruns and do both.

Skipping the luna is also a possibility.

[strange ridge]

Maki is not Aura iirc

[worldly sun]

Azusa is basic targetted, will stack with ex targetted (akane) and basic aura (shanako) but not another basic targetted (maki)

[quiet raft]

not pulling the free 100

[empty verge]

I'm buying Maki and Koharu, I'm speaking against buying all farmables

[frail glen]

I still find it weird s hanako is basic aura

u would think it is basic targetted

[vestal kernel]

ah ic theres 3 types ty

[worldly sun]

Buff stacking depends on the source skill

[strange ridge]

No

[old rose]

virtually all farmables see use somewhere

[frail glen]

Midori

[old rose]

boat

[worldly sun]

And whether it’s targetted (applied effect for duration) aura (effect applied only in area) or self (self)

[quiet raft]

boat, Eternal

[frail glen]

also

[empty verge]

I didn't say its bad, just suboptimal

[proven dove]

She destroyed me in pvp season 9

[worldly sun]

If anything is different it stacks, if they match on all categories no stack and will overwrite

[frosty harbor]

??????????

what's the alternative? pulling more?

[old rose]

if you are so kaiju that you have the pleasure of only ever running "optimal" teams and never having to cope

then go ahead i guess

[ashen goblet]

Yes, hes a whale

[strange ridge]

If you whaled your way to hypermax the best options you definitely will say the free options are suboptimal

[old rose]

yes you don't need hanae if you are 2 panning geb

[worldly sun]

Just don’t farm anyone and only do ext

Easy game

[old rose]

if ur on ur 6th team and out of healers, hanae will be your best friend

[frail glen]

having enough resources for 6th team is fossil acitvities

[old rose]

lie

[frosty harbor]

hanae randomly comes up from time to time

[astral fern]

Ofc I pull free 100 first but if I lack funds I'd rather skip both for waris

[empty verge]

Optimal strategy, not teams. Building the most OP units will give you a lot more leeway in the long run

[strange ridge]

It isn't

[vestal kernel]

i 2 pan geb with my daughter hanae ♥️

[quiet raft]

true ig

[old rose]

i had enough for 8 teams in luna krkg

[frosty harbor]

dude

[old rose]

a team that deals 400k damage in p3 is a team nonetheless

[strange ridge]

So what do you call the one guy who did a 16 pan Binah Field Tormwnt?

[frosty harbor]

it's almost always b etter to finish the spark after 100 free pulls

[quiet raft]

but I do want hot wheels

[frail glen]

and you are telling me I am not raising stragetically

[proven dove]

It's a balance, no need to farm everyone to ue60, but ideally you get them to the ideal ue state.

Slowly while sharing on coins between farmables and mats

[frosty harbor]

the only reason not to is you can't pay rent or buy food

[frail glen]

bro all in on one raid with suboptimal teams

[quiet raft]

I like my beautiful genius hacker girl in a motorcycle

[old rose]

i didn't

[astral fern]

Meh, if I get both below 100 I'm not finishing any

[old rose]

3 of my teams were comprised of students i raised entirely for previous endeavors

[astral fern]

If none and I lack funds I'm skipling

[frosty harbor]

it's still better to finish spark for elephs

[empty verge]

I think less is more overall

[vestal kernel]

Are all lunatic raids just chucking high investment things at the boss until it dies

[astral fern]

Otherwise pity gg

[worldly sun]

Another newbie suffering from 1pan brainrot

[old rose]

no

[worldly sun]

I’m afraid it’s terminal

[ancient star]

Wait for Luna Binah

[frosty harbor]

lol

[old rose]

yes, if u have the invests to 2 pan the raid, you can go ahead

[astral fern]

Fest > all

[worldly sun]

Sometimes less isn’t enough

[old rose]

the vast vast vast majority of people have to cope with roster restrictions

[frosty harbor]

jp luna binah was lunatic gold

[ashen goblet]

Feel like luna binah will be harder than people give credit for

You need good investments for the groggies

[frosty harbor]

low end of lunatic binah couldn't get you plat

[vestal kernel]

so its easy?

[strange ridge]

In KR and JP sure

[frosty harbor]

lunatic didn't guarantee plat in jp

[empty verge]

I mean using your resources to invest in less, more "meta" students as opposed to trying to be more "jack of all trades"

[frail glen]

still need a roster

[worldly sun]

Compare to other luna it’s easy but it’s not as simple for someone who doesn’t already have all the buffs and both yellow fest dps maxed

[ancient star]

I have seen really low investments clears

[strange ridge]

While true, JP IS Sweaty hypercompetitive

[ashen goblet]

Yes

[strange ridge]

KR is JP on steroids

[old rose]

nobody is suggesting that you buy sena eleph before investing in your fest dps

[proven dove]

You wouldn't think that way if you saw boat luna on debut, or any torment debut.

You maybe can clear all luna if they'll be as friendly as binah and maybe having newer units like this kurokage.

But you won't be able to clear the difficulty after it on debut with less :p

[empty verge]

Because the helpful non-meta students are more likely to be replaced in the long run by newer pulls

[frosty harbor]

jp is larger than kr

[ancient star]

Weren't UE40 Mika and U.Neru enough?

[frosty harbor]

almost 3 times bigger

[vestal kernel]

i do not own a mika and whats the other yellow fest

[frail glen]

that's what I am saying

[ashen goblet]

Krkg also looked simple on paper, just 2 teams, it was not so simple.

[old rose]

there is no such thing as a non-helpful student

[worldly sun]

Uneru

[old rose]

every student is better to have than not have

[vestal kernel]

oh i do have a neru

[strange ridge]

Does not matter, its the competitiveness that makes it harder

[empty verge]

I said helpful

[strange ridge]

Because guess what

[frosty harbor]

shimiko and kirara says hi

[strange ridge]

Shimiko has Srkr

[ancient star]

Hopefully you have your own S.Kanna and Fuyu

[worldly sun]

That counts as maxed and also urban so ue40 mika is the same

[strange ridge]

Kirara buff now works on Boat

[summer dew]

i believe in purple boat ga and kirara bg2

[proven dove]

New difficulties will bring them back

[frosty harbor]

kirara is not homeless anymore?

[ancient star]

I was thinking max as in UE60 lol

[strange ridge]

Patrick is that you?

Yes Kirara got a buff

[summer dew]

she got weakness detection to her basic with not terrible uptime

[vestal kernel]

what about saya

[quiet raft]

[frosty harbor]

i literally watched a video on how bad kirara is yesterday

[old rose]

chokmah

[quiet raft]

Kirara got a buff? like with Timber or how?

[ashen goblet]

Nodoka so bad people forgot she exists.

[old rose]

why are we talking as if buying farmables just has this enormous opportunity cost

[frail glen]

people are doing video essay on students?

[vestal kernel]

saya upscale the world is healing

[frosty harbor]

yeah, lots of kr vids on students

[atomic arrow]

where

[proven dove]

Iirc in some ba kr annif event or something, some dev said they're planning for new content for less used students to be relevant there

[ancient star]

Chokmah, can be used in Luna Greg too

[frosty harbor]

do you understand korean?

[frail glen]

because mats are a very real and demandable alternative compared to buying elephs when you have a better suited roster

[quartz remnant]

Bond gear is a buff

[frosty harbor]

i could link you to few youtubers

[atomic arrow]

no...

[quiet raft]

oh, retrofit bond gear

[frosty harbor]

:P not that helpful if you can't read or understand korean

[old rose]

nobody is suggesting you buy sena eleph before investing in your fest dps, or hyperbuffers, or key supports

[frail glen]

sure can always learn a 5th language

[quartz remnant]

Still not useful unless in something obscure like purple wakaboat

[old rose]

that is not what "farm your farmables" means

[ancient star]

Purple Wakaboat soon

[random lake]

what season is this kurokage?

[old rose]

84

[quiet raft]

is kirara a minigun or what? i genuinely never used her so it's like, bleh

[summer dew]

can't wait for the maidmoi kirara msuzumi kokona super team

[old rose]

drop kok you don't need a healer

just kill faster

[quartz remnant]

Still too bad imo
30s NS

[proven dove]

You manage your resources guys. Prioritizing only farmables or only mats is too binary

[random lake]

finally my mmomoi will have a use

[summer dew]

oh true tor doesnet need heals

[frail glen]

I like how many M there are in MMomoi

truly cinema

[quiet raft]

MMomoi meta

[summer dew]

*big heals

[strange ridge]

Momoid

[candid gust]

AR

[old rose]

even luna teams don't need heals

[lament gyro]

You need ako’s epic heals

[strange ridge]

Maidori

[midnight river]

[stuck chasm]

47th B50

[ancient star]

Azooos

[midnight river]

🦖

[ancient star]

I kneel

[half scaffold]

bro knows how to optimize the b50 meta

[random lake]

[worldly sun]

Where b100

[stuck chasm]

That's too whale for me

[candid gust]

here gpd we have
b50 whels
b100 whels
balder
bageneralv2

😏

[frosty harbor]

:I

[lament gyro]

this man could do 5 7/8s of b100

[frail glen]

is the b50 optimization meta just never combine gifts?
since combining them would get you less gifts overall

[tall glacier]

And idol peav

[lament gyro]

[candid gust]

exclude that out

[strange ridge]

So Bunny Peav then

[stuck chasm]

Yes, and always go for gifts when crafting

[candid gust]

also exclude this out

[empty verge]

Dinosaurs love to bring up luna boat to say that farmables are important, but if you just metamaxx as a newbie you're likely to do more lunas

[frosty harbor]

casual peav?

[lament gyro]

So swimsuit peav

[frail glen]

we flexible f2ps need to stick together fr

[odd geyser]

[old rose]

nobody disagrees?

everyone suggests that newbies pull meta

[random lake]

[old rose]

thats what a "must pull" is

[random lake]

so cute this kokona

[lament gyro]

Dajin what inside joke did I miss

Why is peav cortisol and you dopamine

[lament gyro]

[proven dove]

New lingo

[empty verge]

Deliberate misrepresentation. Were talking about buying materials over eleph

[strange ridge]

I guess Cortisol is from the low cortisol dance

Then Dopamine...

[old rose]

there is hardly an opportunity cost to buying eleph

[random lake]

pretty obvious

[lament gyro]

I can only thing of the beatbox song

[random lake]

why else would anyone use cortisol

[odd geyser]

Peavine stresses and malds.
I just feel good and slacc

[random lake]

right when that meme expldoes

[old rose]

again, nobody is suggesting that you buy the less-useful farmables if you can't EX 5 your hyperbuffer before the next raid

[halcyon latch]

two dinosaurs have entered mating season

[summer dew]

peavisol. dajimine.

[empty verge]

They kinda are tho

[old rose]

you're misunderstanding what "farm your farmables" means

[quiet raft]

on another note about purple boat

[empty verge]

No, I am referring to azusa eleph over materials and stn

[quiet raft]

Hiero purple + Smika is fucking disgusting

[strange ridge]

And I found a fork in the kitchen

[frail glen]

not a spork?

brick

[proven dove]

You are wrong in less is better :p that's too short slighted.

You too will eventually farm all farmables. Given enough time.

I'm playing since 1 year and a half and I still didn't max all of them, because, I skipped/limited the farming many months for raids.

That didn't made me against farming them :3

[autumn burrow]

Do these tend to release ever or just remain "Coming Soon"?

[frosty harbor]

overtime

we never thought we'd get to ue 60 but here we are

[strange ridge]

It will release. The date however is not known to anyone

[odd geyser]

[strange ridge]

As what beans pfp said

[autumn burrow]

Gotcha! Thanks

[lament gyro]

A more concerning question is why do you have a ue60 chibiki

[old rose]

if you are picking between azusa eleph vs. random stn, you should pick azusa eleph

if you are picking between azusa eleph vs. stn that you need to raise a necessary skill of a necessary student in an upcoming raid, you should pick the stn

it's not that difficult

[autumn burrow]

i love her

[frail glen]

valid

[strange ridge]

Understandable. Have a great day

[proven dove]

It's not a binary thing

[empty verge]

That much is obvious

[lament gyro]

[old rose]

thats all that the argument is about

[empty verge]

Example: why farm akane when I can use s kanna?

[random lake]

i malded kurokage so much that i was seeing another raid video with shielded characters and thought they would get hit through it

[summer dew]

idk i just buy all the azusa regardless because she is cute

[tall glacier]

Gws

[lament gyro]

Why mald when you can dopamine

[worldly sun]

Cos you might need both

[random lake]

gws?

[quiet raft]

who's that UE?

[little timber]

Hmm what a questionable run.

[strange ridge]

Get well soon

[marsh bolt]

UE60 is really busted right now so i don't think we really need more powerspike for at least another year.

[old rose]

akane also has movespeed enh that enables funky positioning mechanics, like in kuro phase of srkr

[ancient star]

One more month for UE60 for me

[quiet raft]

ah, Hibiki

[worldly sun]

And you don’t want to be caught out if you suddenly do need her and don’t have her raised

[halcyon latch]

How else are you going to do Luna Geburah

[little timber]

Hmm...

[empty verge]

Sure but if I'm short on materials I'm not gonna farm a student I don't need rn

[proven dove]

you have skanna :p others maybe not.

But you know luna binah you need 2 debuffers right ? Unless you plan to borrow another skanna

[strange ridge]

It all boils down to this:

Its better to have something but not use it than not having it when you need them.

[worldly sun]

But you might need her in the future and eleph gain is time gated unlike other investment

[ancient star]

Which is fair, just learn to balance elephs that you may need and materials that you need to buy

[proven dove]

I have my own akane at ue30 unbuilt btw, I plan to raise her gears and ex though.

[strange ridge]

But I guess the unfair monopoly experiment can apply here.

[empty verge]

Yeah but I'd rather buy mats for b aris and kei rn

[ancient star]

Basically plan accordingly to what you have and know you have a chance to do

[worldly sun]

You can always have the books/cd spare and hold them but if you suddenly need ue30 akane and she’s only 2* you can only buy 100 eleph and would need to ligma the rest

Which is terrible

But sure you can not listen to everyone else in this channel that has told you otherwise and go your own way

Just don’t regret it in the future

[empty verge]

Yeah I'm buying koharu and maki now, once they're maxed I'll go for others

[snow portal]

Peavisol!
Dajimine!

JOGRESS EVOLUTION

Peavdajimon!
https://tenor.com/view/digimon-adventure-02-digimon-anime-gif-12694222669625078101

The strongest whales around

[summer dew]

the holy

guh

[ripe mason]

still can't beat klee

[empty verge]

Thing is I don't have the books and cd

[strange ridge]

We f2p can never compete against such a superwhale

[empty verge]

And b aris and kei are free goz and peroro

[strange ridge]

Let alone a gappy™️ whale

[summer dew]

can i pause buying hanako for a bit after ue40

[tired wyvern]

What's next GA ?

[strange ridge]

Kaiten

Urban

[proven dove]

That's fine, many did the same thing btw. Personally I changed the farming target depending on my upcoming needs.

Stopped maki at ue40 for a while and koharu at ue40 for a while.

My koharu is ue50 now and I'm prioritizing getting chihiro to ue30 over ue60 koharu

[tired wyvern]

Thank you

color ?'

[snow portal]

Then it's time for them to evolve into-

[Peavdajimon KAIJU Mode]
https://tenor.com/view/digimon-digimon-adventure02-daisuke-motomiya-motomiya-daisuke-davis-motomiya-gif-24214915

[frail glen]

I think one thing that is overlooked here is that the advices are time sensative
for us who have hundreds of new units to raise, it is best for us to buy STN and mats
and for those when their entire roster for raids is mostly built, the can stock up on elephs

[strange ridge]

RYB RY Torment

[proven dove]

There is a lot of flexibility there.

[tired wyvern]

Arigatou

[worldly sun]

Ofc, she doesn’t gain meaningful benefit after that unless you count ue60. I usually aim to “max” all farmables to their last reasonable level then at least for 2* you can just let them autocomplete from pulls

[frail glen]

also like

[worldly sun]

Unless you think you need ue60 Hanako for something but you probably don’t

[halcyon latch]

pvp

[proven dove]

I stopped at ue40 and got enough elephs from pulls for ue50

[worldly sun]

No

[frail glen]

OH CRAP I BOUGHT FROM THE WRONG SHOP

[worldly sun]

Hanako is not good for pvp lol

[frail glen]

omFG

[old rose]

but mreisa good

[worldly sun]

Yes

[strange ridge]

Might as well dedicate until the end

[proven dove]

Of course aiming to farm all farmables to ue60 and ignoring mats is giga 🧱

[worldly sun]

That also depends

[strange ridge]

Bounty, keep doing events

Lessons

[empty verge]

I agree, if I had followed the guidelines here I wouldn't have done my first lunatic now and 2 more in the near future

[strange ridge]

Tasks

[proven dove]

Advices are advices.