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#💬gameplay-discussion
old rose
polar orbit
chesed
snow portal
frail glen
I don't think I used her there
old rose
are u just stuck at tor wanpan brain rot
polar orbit
yeah what about your sshiz
polar orbit
what about seia
old rose
if u never plan to push urself for difficult clears then u yea u don't need to farm them
frail glen
I don't have seia
polar orbit
okay but you will
old rose
are u planning to skip her
frail glen
Gea convinced me
polar orbit
even if you dont pull this next run you will get her eventually
frail glen
okay but realistically speaking
I just honestly don't see me doing luna, at least all lunas, in a short span of time
I just wanna wait for another power creep then do luna to save my hairs
old rose
like are u really swimming in so much ligma that u don't feel pressured to buy elephs at all
polar orbit
every time you dont buy a limited eleph in a month you're basically chucking away 25 eligma
frail glen
25 eligma is little
empty verge
She's ready for the day of destiny... 
polar orbit
worldly sun
50 for 10x
polar orbit
ty mathrith
frail glen
okay
maybe I will buy them elephs
but seriously Sshiz?
nonomi?
I really don't see their usage now I think I moved pass early game
old rose
but seriously Sshiz?
like you have qtomoe seimi and tyuuka and the mats to raise them?
polar orbit
its just whel vs f2p mindset...
i mean people can debate on buying fest eleph or not, but i've never seen someone try to debate buying no eleph before 
halcyon latch
maybe I will buy them elephs
as a f2p player right?
worldly sun
25 eligma is little
25 ligma costs about 600 pyro
frail glen
just 600?
old rose
holy fuck
opaque dagger
polar orbit
there's far more limiteds on top of that you should be considering too
worldly sun
50 ligma is a bit over a 10 pull
frail glen
like you have qtomoe seimi and tyuuka and the mats to raise them?
beside tyuuka ye
worldly sun
So do this 20 times and you’re a spark behind
frail glen
okay okay I wil buy elephs
frail glen
at least i wil buy them selectively
old rose
I really don't see their usage now I think I moved pass early game
sshiz for goz and srkr, nonomi for boat and chesed
old rose
beside tyuuka ye
u would rather ue40 your qtomoe and seimi with ligma than buy sshiz?
frail glen
sure why not
polar orbit
because one is far less expensive than the other
old rose
normal people have to budget and save their ligma for a select few students
ripe mason
normal people have to budget and save their ligma for a select few students
just be klee
old rose
like its genuinely baffling how different our realities are
frail glen
normal people have to budget and save their ligma for a select few students
I budget and save my ligma too
!
polar orbit
cap
old rose
ue60 mreisa 
frail glen
ue60 mreisa <:MagicalReisaStare:1481341519519551709>
which is very justifiable
old rose
budgeted and saved on that one
old rose
definitely needed to spend the additional 2000 ligma from ue40
and I'm sure you have way more "justfiable" spends
old rose
the future you is just gonna whel for more pyrox to solve any problems 
empty verge
25 ligma costs about 600 pyro
Is it not around 720?
polar orbit
Is it not around 720?
that's even worse
empty verge
Approx 4.135 eligma/pull using google AI rates for 2 and 3 stars
frail glen
the future you is just gonna whel for more pyrox to solve any problems <:NinSlee...
I am pretty sure those 2000 eligmas were the left over ones from the train event last time
worldly sun
Is it not around 720?
It varies depending on student count
frail glen
technically it is f2p
worldly sun
Approx 4.135 eligma/pull using google AI rates for 2 and 3 stars
A very reliable source
empty verge
A very reliable source
Its correct
Without accounting for 10th guaranteed yellow+ tho
torn thorn
empty verge
A bit over 4.72/pull on normal banners accounting for them
worldly sun
I definitely trust mathematics relating to a niche subject performed by the wrong answer machine
fleet narwhal
the future you is just gonna whel for more pyrox to solve any problems <:NinSlee...
that sounds like Crystark
or noneleft
empty verge
I definitely trust mathematics relating to a niche subject performed by the wron...
No I only asked for probability of 2 stars per pull, then verified in-game
quiet raft
damn, my cafe luck was crap today
fleet narwhal
me 
old rose
put more furniture down of the students u have
worldly sun
me <:KokonaF2P:1442012284279984260>
You admitted it yourself
quiet raft
well, now that I have hot dog
fleet narwhal
Photoshop in this day and age 
quiet raft
It's fine to have two kanna chairs
shell bay
old rose
You admitted it yourself
thats gotta be ai 
fleet narwhal
Ayeccs...
atomic arrow
yeh
fleet narwhal
that channel isnt supposed to be mentioned...
atomic arrow
teehee
quiet raft
odd geyser
snow portal
Which one is fat?
fleet narwhal
these gpd whales... and all this missinfo...
atomic arrow
Which one is fat?
yes
odd geyser
empty verge
I think the expected amount is 4.8415 eligma/pull on normal banners, without counting sparks
odd geyser
I think the expected amount is 4.8415 eligma/pull on normal banners, without cou...
it's a function of your owned student count
empty verge
it's a function of your owned student count
Don't you always get 10x for a 2 star and 50x for a 3*?
odd geyser
Don't you always get 10x for a 2 star and 50x for a 3*?
you don't get ligma for spooks
only dupes
empty verge
you don't get ligma for spooks
Ohhh
worldly sun
If you own every student in the game you will always get ligma
If you own no 3* you won’t get ligma from 3* pulls (because it’s a new student)
odd geyser
therefore, when i spook students like fuyu - i dont earn as much ligma as other sensei
It's also why I say to unlock any shop farmable asap
quiet raft
which website was there to simulate ba gacha?
odd geyser
The 50 ligma from getting a dupe is way more valuable than coin saved from a spook
odd geyser
there's a point where you legit have way too much coin
quiet raft
coin?
odd geyser
being in debt for a certain school hardly matters with the shop limits anyway
worldly sun
It’s worth waiting for spook on non archive hard farm tho
Cos saves a lot of time
Unless you need them earlier
But shops immediately
grim finch
waiting for non exist hinata spook
odd geyser
It’s worth waiting for spook on non archive hard farm tho
depending on the student, I agree
before archive, I hated shiroko node
waited for a spook
marble gust
It’s worth waiting for spook on non archive hard farm tho
dont u have 50k eligma after not spending for so long
frail glen
guys can I get a reference on how many limited, welfare, and fest elephs you guys buy from EP shops?
idk if I am over buying or under buying
empty verge
Then it should be (assuming you own all 2 and 1-stars)
0.9 x [1.5 x (fraction of owned available 3 star) + 2.635] + 0.15 x (fraction of owned 3 star) + 0.97
worldly sun
dont u have 50k eligma after not spending for so long
Aren’t you the 50k ligma guy
Although you spent a bit for peroro
fleet narwhal
Repeat after me
WE F2Ps ARE HERE TO STAY 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️
grim finch
guys can I get a reference on how many limited, welfare, and fest elephs you guy...
assume u get 40k ep per month, now calc
odd geyser
Repeat after me
WE F2Ps ARE HERE TO STAY 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️
frail glen
assume u get 40k ep per month, now calc
no imeant like how much do a usual player spent
grim finch
Repeat after me
WE F2Ps ARE HERE TO STAY 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️
odd geyser
Repeat after me
WE F2Ps ARE HERE TO STAY 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️
is that bneru...
frail glen
I kinda want to save some for emergency invest
grim finch
no imeant like how much do a usual player spent
all of them
dim frigate
guys can I get a reference on how many limited, welfare, and fest elephs you guy...
should've asked this before reset so people could screenshot their bought zone
fleet narwhal
but I will ue30 my bneru soon
grim finch
there is no emergency invest for ep shop
old rose
i spend to 0 permits every month
feral jetty
bneru is F2P
old rose
or <1800 basically
frail glen
there is no emergency invest for ep shop
like what if your t8 shoes is 1 off
feral jetty
just don't ask me how i got her
empty verge
Then it should be (assuming you own all 2 and 1-stars)
0.9 x [1.5 x (fraction of...
Realistically less than 4.8/pull unless ur 🦖 and 🐳
odd geyser
just don't ask me how i got her
sacc
old rose
should have planned correctly
grim finch
if u run into that situation its on u for having bad planning
odd geyser
odd geyser
just don't ask me how i got her
my reward:
feral jetty
sacc
well considering that i had a chance to get imari there i wouldn't say she was the best pull
quiet raft
TA/GA/JFD/PVP coin
now that's a deno pov if I've ever seen one
cyan ether
shasumi raid
quiet raft
they haven't given more archive pulls for free right?
feral jetty
shasumi raid
okay i changed my mind i don't want to see it anymore
quiet raft
I only have like 220 made
cyan ether
okay i changed my mind i don't want to see it anymore
i was gonna say maybe old players will relate it to bkarin mald
quiet raft
so the only way to get store girls is to either spook some of them on archive or on recruitment, also technically when starting your account to get a maki or someone
feral jetty
maybe i should do a no shasumi challenge run when it comes to global
that is if shasumi is even top strat in the first place
cyan ether
would be funny if uneru is faster but surely not
polar orbit
so the only way to get store girls is to either spook some of them on archive or...
opposite. because shop girls are easily obtained, it's not worth starting your account with them
odd geyser
i was gonna say maybe old players will relate it to bkarin mald
it's not the same tho since shasumi is multihit
polar orbit
you would rather start with someone who's not farmable or only farmable in hard mode
cyan ether
or maybe junko again..
empty verge
1,2,4 are f2p
quiet raft
you would rather start with someone who's not farmable or only farmable in hard ...
true, I got a Maki along my shun but that was luck, there are only 2 you can get that are not farmable starting
feral jetty
or maybe junko again..
absolute cinema
worldly sun
1,2,4 are f2p
You know orbs are in the cred shop
polar orbit
You know orbs are in the cred shop
he does not have any credits
empty verge
You know orbs are in the cred shop
I'm farming credits
polar orbit
he is literally whaling for creds
worldly sun
quiet raft
my point was spooking them on archive, idr how many shop girls are obtainable on spook in standard recruit
worldly sun
The way to earn more creds when broke is to wait until you have more creds
Unironically
polar orbit
my point was spooking them on archive, idr how many shop girls are obtainable on...
i think all except the newest ones
empty verge
I'm gonna refresh AP multiple times to do commissions
polar orbit
kaede, swaka, hiyori
covert spoke
1,2,4 are f2p
stupidest shit ive seen u post
polar orbit
only fossils actually have enough coins to get pvp units
worldly sun
Just refresh ap less
worldly sun
You don’t need to pvp ap every day
polar orbit
no one is refreshing everyday
covert spoke
you shouldnt be pvp ap outside of welfares, very good events or desperate 2x norms if ur lacking on some of the basic pvp units
worldly sun
If you don’t have ue40 Utaha, miyako and ue30/50 mash you’re doing something wrong
empty verge
no one is refreshing everyday
None is refreshing AP? 
covert spoke
u mistyped ue60 utaha
worldly sun
No reason
polar orbit
i only refresh for welfares and 3x and it's not enough
worldly sun
Ue60 useless and just wait for 2* dupes
polar orbit
there is genuinely not enough coins these days for new players
steep vortex
im probs going to start using my coins on rat soon
covert spoke
ue60 on a summon is NOT useless
worldly sun
Just do better in pvp
dim frigate
clearly this means we need 2x pvp coin weekends
polar orbit
i claim top 100 and top 10 occasionally
worldly sun
Hmm yes the extra cost cap helps the turrets for sure
odd geyser
Hmm yes the extra cost cap helps the turrets for sure
ngl, I almost overflow on the boat team that uses utaha around the tower -> boat returning transition
odd geyser
who knows, p2 sleepy
worldly sun
Not worth the 2k coins
odd geyser
matters in hod tho
marble gust
i bought utaha to ue60 anyway
worldly sun
Any 2* farmable isn’t really worth grinding straight to max
marble gust
worldly sun
Cos they autocomplete from pulls
odd geyser
i had UE70 utaha just laying around b/c I bought UE50 for the first boat run
worldly sun
If you just reach 95% power with farm
polar orbit
i farm mine to max to get a start on ue70
covert spoke
Any 2* farmable isn’t really worth grinding straight to max
correct
young lotus
Cost overflow is good for raids with downtime
odd geyser
dim frigate
<a:aruSpin:1062304259821011024> <:F2P:918059087583916042> <:btw:5260948954762444...
now this is good investment
covert spoke
or 5% for the little ones
young lotus
shell tree
i claim top 100 and top 10 occasionally
you should aim to claim top 100 every day without refreshing
worldly sun
T1 free this season anyway
polar orbit
you should aim to claim top 100 every day without refreshing
no we're talking about coins in pvp shop
steep vortex
rat is good for greg
polar orbit
there's not enough coins leftover after 4xing welfares to actually farm units
steep vortex
she did a shocking amount of damage on luna
odd geyser
there's not enough coins leftover after 4xing welfares to actually farm units
that is true. that's why I ignore the bulk of the pvp shop. My point from earlier was to at least just unlock Miyako from this shop if you haven't yet
fleet narwhal
this is what i have after like 380 days playing
ngl, I would raise utaha
marble gust
never bought fuuka...
grim finch
imma buy slowly after i get ue40 miyako
worldly sun
there's not enough coins leftover after 4xing welfares to actually farm units
We’re not getting welfare farms 50% of all events
polar orbit
that is true. that's why I ignore the bulk of the pvp shop. My point from earlie...
for sure i agree
grim finch
some cope dmg for boat
shell tree
there's not enough coins leftover after 4xing welfares to actually farm units
there is if you claim top 100 every day without refreshing pvp tickets. And you only 4x pvp refresh during 3x, welfares, and eligma events
grim finch
if i even use her
polar orbit
We’re not getting welfare farms 50% of all events
we kind of are
steep vortex
miyako has been huge for me in pvp this season
covert spoke
we kind of are not
fleet narwhal
never bought fuuka...
i mean fuuka could be used somewhere but shes simply not the first in line sadly
polar orbit
the downtime in between welfares is just to recoup pvp coins
worldly sun
We are not
odd geyser
for sure i agree
bro I sent an email to nexon when I accidentally pressed the brick button one day asking for a refund 😭
bitter dirge
Hmm, is there a reason I dont see people use UNeru for Chokmah? I know she doesnt cover the DoT portion but she certainly SEEMS like she'd be a bit better than Mika given FRR lets you be more heavy with crit chance buffers
marble gust
??
bitter dirge
One that was like 6 months but that was it
steep vortex
bro I sent an email to nexon when I accidentally pressed the brick button one da...
whyd you even bother sending an email
bitter dirge
It was Mika and Hiyori
old rose
old hw
odd geyser
whyd you even bother sending an email
it was a ticket ingame but they respond via email, same shit
steep vortex
you probs got the same one i did after 
old rose
uneru mogs both of them
worldly sun
looks at old clear
”why aren’t they using [unreleased unit]”
odd geyser
you probs got the same one i did after <:connor1:1356706697942667488>
i was deseperate during atsuko ue60 farm ok
steep vortex
cant blame you
marble gust
technically uneru was released by then but not everyone built her yet
worldly sun
Guys I really dropped the ball not using Kei for this hiero
odd geyser
we made it tho
marble gust
i still used mika for last chok
odd geyser
marble gust
Guys I really dropped the ball not using Kei for this hiero
so sad
no baris?
bricked
steep vortex
ive been chilling at around 3-4k pvp coins for a bit now
bitter dirge
Yeah I can see Mika a good 2nd pan then. I just wish I had Marina Qipao for heavy armor DoT 
odd geyser
This pvp season is free
bitter dirge
Yeah I forgot FRR doesnt 2nd pan my bad
odd geyser
have u even tried frr
double aoba world raid 
marble gust
anyway just bring a dps and borrow dot
marble gust
double aoba world raid <:AobaBeamRGB:1373812597723238552>
do you even gain anything
bitter dirge
Yeah ill probably just borrow a Qipao then, should be good enough for up to 74
marble gust
or is it just for slacking
odd geyser
do you even gain anything
extremely low investment can clear by just 2panning with aoba and healers
shell tree
double aoba world raid <:AobaBeamRGB:1373812597723238552>
is this aoba saying gayyyyy
marble gust
figured
polar orbit
accounting for refreshing on eligma events, which we probably all agree we should do, im left with 979 coins on the last day of fest. Subtract 210 for an extra refresh day on the day before the vent so that's 630, then subtract 700 for them cutting a week for acceleration and suddenly i'm at like negative 400
polar orbit
the math does not lie. there is not enough coins
bitter dirge
Considering my UNeru is fully built and high affection, if I find a good Qipao I might be able to go to floor 90 maybe? Idk ive never gone past 74 on anything lol
grim finch
free f100
feral jetty
well at least it beats the top rio/imarilet clear in JP
shell tree
the math does not lie. there is not enough coins
this is why I say that balding for pvp coins is underrated
odd geyser
Considering my UNeru is fully built and high affection, if I find a good Qipao I...
f99 free
marble gust
is worrying abt pvp coins some newbie shit im missing out
old rose
yea
marble gust
polar orbit
that's what i've been saying! if you are fossil you dont know about this issue
old rose
wish I could build miyako for pvp but i don't have the coins
bitter dirge
Don't have Mari, whoever that red hair girl on the left is (I forgot) and Shizuko is pretty much not built at all for me
polar orbit
but us newbies genuinely cannot farm pvp units
bitter dirge
Besides that, I can do that comp
steep vortex
there was one time i was worried about pvp coins when there was 2 back to back welfare events
it was rabbits and something else
worldly sun
Well I think using the next 2 months including fest month is a bad example
odd geyser
Don't have Mari, whoever that red hair girl on the left is (I forgot) and Shizuk...
tbh, I used Shizuko b/c she needed by far the lowest invest out of all the cover students
marble gust
ok u dont even sound experienced so u prolly wont even clear if you have them
cyan ether
well at least it beats the top rio/imarilet clear in JP
oh you got it gg
marble gust
worldly sun
Because there’s 2 close welfares events and entire 3x campaign fest month
There was ample spare coins months previous
bitter dirge
Man I dont remember all the names, but I have experience 🤨
polar orbit
no there wasn't
odd geyser
this is some poverty tier investment
shell tree
but us newbies genuinely cannot farm pvp units
for what it's worth, I never refreshed the pvp shop to get elephs. I always carefully bought those once a day when I could
marble gust
i spent like 20k pvp coins ue50+ all pvp farmables
polar orbit
this has been an issue since like 3.5
marble gust
still have 5 digit coins
shell tree
none, when did you start, again?
worldly sun
Explain how I have all my worthwhile pvp farmables raised and still able to 4x all the events I’ve wanted to 4x
marble gust
worldly sun
In fact I even had spare to do miyako to ue50
polar orbit
fossil!!
polar orbit
when did you start
grim finch
dino previlege cant compete
shell tree
when did you guys start
steep vortex
Because there’s 2 close welfares events and entire 3x campaign fest month
what other welfare then imine am i forgetting
marble gust
june 2023
worldly sun
Week before railgun
shell tree
mf
polar orbit
i started on first band...
worldly sun
what other welfare then imine am i forgetting
Rabubu
shell tree
I started like the week AFTER railgun
old rose
railgun was real?
odd geyser
for what it's worth, I never refreshed the pvp shop to get elephs. I always care...
during the first SAtsuko farm, I intentionally saved like 10k pvp coin to go extremely hard on refreshing during that event, 3x, and ligma farm afterwards
polar orbit
isnt that like a 6 month head start on me
odd geyser
went from 3* Miyako to UE50 in 2 weeks
bitter dirge
Day before Seia, so like close to a year
marble gust
i had to skip s.ui for railgun
polar orbit
that is understandable
fleet narwhal
you pulled for railgun ?
astral fern
Ya
fleet narwhal
sheesh
marble gust
on jp acc too
feral jetty
railgun must pull
shell tree
isnt that like a 6 month head start on me
I've had my important 3* pvp shop units at ue60 for more than the past 6 months
empty verge
Gear done-ish, 26 MM for skills + lvl up + ue30 and she should be usable
steep vortex
fleet narwhal
I've had my important 3\* pvp shop units at ue60 for more than the past 6 months
i dont have a single pvp shop unit at ue60...
worldly sun
In fact miyako I did like a year ago and same for mash
shell tree
125 pvp coins per day is no joke
fleet narwhal
well actually Utaha but shes a bit of an exception
marble gust
i farmed ue60 miyako last month cus whelstark told me to
grim finch
125
marble gust
"snipes shanako"
grim finch
can only wish
feral jetty
railgun must pull
it's really funny how railgun actually somehow ended up being BiS for multiple raids
saten on chesed and mikoto on chesed and yellow peroro
steep vortex
i get 140 a day from r2 and defense wins
shell tree
i dont have a single pvp shop unit at ue60...
in due time, my son bun
polar orbit
saten was good in pvp too
marble gust
i dont think either was "bis"
feral jetty
well they were on the rank 1 teams
shell tree
it's really funny how railgun actually somehow ended up being BiS for multiple r...
this really pissed me off
worldly sun
Neither of the 3* have been that useful
marble gust
worldly sun
At best misaki on yellow peroro but I don’t think she was faster
marble gust
well most useful for me was misaki ofc
cyan ether
misaka 3 times and saten 1
worldly sun
Welfare was most useful
cyan ether
big value
shell tree
still can't ever obtain that "welfare" if you started after the event
cyan ether
nahhhhhh
fleet narwhal
didnt one of em see some use in pvp
worldly sun
I don’t think there’s been a real reason to use misaka at all outside of cope cc
shell tree
saten
cyan ether
im cooked then
worldly sun
didnt one of em see some use in pvp
Saten
fleet narwhal
didnt mikoto see some use too tho
worldly sun
They shouldn’t have called themself the same thing
feral jetty
At best misaki on yellow peroro but I don’t think she was faster
unless global found a new team i'm not aware of
polar orbit
this is all i've been able to afford so far. that's only 84 purchases. And in some cases, it's bricked me and i wasnt about to complete 4x certain things
shell tree
I hope they never do a collab ever again
cyan ether
i think nonomi was the same speed as misaka
since you have to forfeit on the same frame for team 1
worldly sun
this is all i've been able to afford so far. that's only 84 purchases. And in so...
You should really do your miyako
shell tree
this is all i've been able to afford so far. that's only 84 purchases. And in so...
with your account, I think you should start taking pvp rank more seriously
to increase your coin income
polar orbit
You should really do your miyako
i didnt know miyako was good until recently sadly
shell tree
become a warlord like me
polar orbit
i would've prioritized her
worldly sun
She was the top pvp farm unit since she was added
marble gust
miyako carried my hinata team
polar orbit
i had no idea 😔
worldly sun
Was worth farming her for s8
worldly sun
Top farmable off tank for kuroko season
shell tree
there are consequences for ignoring pvp meta
worldly sun
And pretty important for hod
marble gust
there are consequences for ignoring pvp meta
-5 pyrox per day unfortunate
worldly sun
And she’s good this season again too
shell tree
And she’s good this season again too
and rip your pvp shop farmables
worldly sun
If you can reliably t100 your pvp is good enough without being a sweat
shell tree
I just wish I knew broko would be used this season! I would have farmed her harder!
worldly sun
Further gains are marginal
worldly sun
You can just use bosh as anti tsuba
young lotus
Good thing a bunch of raid units can also be used for pvp
empty verge
polar orbit
at least this season is good for farming defense coins
young lotus
fleet narwhal
tbh, there arent that many students that are meta only in pvp
shell tree
If you can reliably t100 your pvp is good enough without being a sweat
Yup. And t100 is completely manageable if you understand the season's meta at a basic level, do basic invests, and reference the spreadsheets
fleet narwhal
Megu..
marble gust
i thought they released 90 more gear tiers for a sec
feral jetty
https://youtu.be/CTqA3wO_mtw
ok i can see why people used misaka instead what do you mean they're hitting full crit (-2) on nonomi
shell tree
tbh, there arent that many students that are meta only in pvp
saki UE...
UE50 reisa...
cyan ether
ok i can see why people used misaka instead what do you mean they're hitting ful...
the price of being f2p is your hair
old rose
Yup. And t100 is completely manageable if you understand the season's meta at a ...
nobody is referencing spreadsheets unless ur a sweat
shell tree
nobody is referencing spreadsheets unless ur a sweat
it's not that hard
you already reference a spreadsheet for pulls
fleet narwhal
saki ue might not be necessary but ue reisa had some jfds
marble gust
me when spreadsheet wants me to use satsuki
odd geyser
3120 pyro for 2400 AP...
empty verge
Only skills left
old rose
vast vast majority of spreadsheet counters use niche students that would never be raised if not for pvp
odd geyser
vast vast majority of spreadsheet counters use niche students that would never b...
hina had GA
Tsurugi is chesed core
marble gust
hina is still in the valid range
shell tree
vast vast majority of spreadsheet counters use niche students that would never b...
ignore those and raise the high use units to a basic degree
none of my yuuka skills are maxed, for instance
odd geyser
broko is free from GA shop now and has FRR and raid usage
Atsuko was used in old kurokage
fleet narwhal
i wish atsuko wasnt put down on kurokage
odd geyser
Yuzu is the people's champ
shell tree
broko is free from GA shop now and has FRR and raid usage
I saw her at poverty invest in chokmah and thought ue30 would be enough. I never considered her damage output. I needed the GA coins for trinity mats 
covert spoke
niche units like
young lotus
Let me clear my first extreme raid at lvl 60 thanks to her atk down saving my ass
covert spoke
satsuko
young lotus
odd geyser
i wish atsuko wasnt put down on kurokage
it kinda sucks but it's for the best tbh
marble gust
atsuko bg when
odd geyser
imagine getting into p2 and needing to reset b/c Atsuko didnt dodge
young lotus
S.atsuko good unit tho
steep vortex
farmable atsuko when
young lotus
polar orbit
maybe when we get closer to hiero
shell tree
my og atsuko still 3*...
steep vortex
satsuko is so comfy on geb
covert spoke
niche whale units
marble gust
oh ye satsuko sub useful there
young lotus
And hiero I guess
odd geyser
atp, I think BNeru is the only really niche whale pvp only student on the sheet
fleet narwhal
uneru jumpscare
young lotus
Mreisa = whel
covert spoke
atp, I think BNeru is the only really niche whale pvp only student on the sheet
theres some qmarina
odd geyser
oh and Saki
young lotus
Only true f2p like me use hibiki and saki
covert spoke
ig qmarina and toki are similar
young lotus
odd geyser
theres some qmarina
tbf, she has her FRR usecase so it's not 100% pvp invest
shell tree
atp, I think BNeru is the only really niche whale pvp only student on the sheet
this is f2p
marble gust
shit like nyharuna but she was actually dominant for some time
odd geyser
I wouldn't be so hard on Saki if she didn't work in her non pvp usecases at 3*
marble gust
ah yes sumire
odd geyser
Sumire is actually also pog af in chesed
covert spoke
this is rly funny
marble gust
dem rly
young lotus
Sumire is a decent unit
odd geyser
acts as tank and mobber
young lotus
Like genuinely useful backup to have
odd geyser
only got better with BG
shell tree
this is rly funny
I still don't have shiroko btw 
worldly sun
I feel like tsurugi is the better yellow bruiser aoe
odd geyser
there's very few students who are only really pvp only invest
worldly sun
Never once used sumire
covert spoke
I still don't have shiroko btw <:Natsus:1328281593059741697>
ur griefing
covert spoke
the stat xfer alone is enough to farm her
odd geyser
I feel like tsurugi is the better yellow bruiser aoe
she is but we used both back when chesed was hard
tsurugi p1, sumire p2 with Mika
marble gust
the stat xfer alone is enough to farm her
transfer to who
shell tree
the stat xfer alone is enough to farm her
but coping is funnier
covert spoke
iwak
marble gust
dem
covert spoke
and broko ig but mainly iwak and then by extension any speedrun dps
shell tree
speaking of, do we ever get free archive pulls ever again?
Haven't seen those in ages
steep vortex
next fest yeah
dim frigate
i remember prior to raising sumire i was keeping cherino alive on like 1 hp into p2
young lotus
Not my fault she spooked me 7 times
dim frigate
#deletechesed
odd geyser
tbh, sweepers are shit only b/c of the evasion really
covert spoke
absolute tomfoolery
feral jetty
in the year of our lord 2026 ?
ok slightly off topic but
shell tree
ok this is kinda questionable im ngl
still wondering if it's brick to continue skipping her in the raid shop
feral jetty
what the fuck were nexon on when they were making geburah????
what is the point of debuffing TS too
covert spoke
because ocherino would be too strong
feral jetty
this could've been the one raid in which ocherino could actually do something
but no she doesn't even get to have this
odd geyser
what is the point of debuffing TS too
maybe the only way they could implement it is a giant aura and had no way to not affect TS
shell tree
smol indie company
covert spoke
and ocherino is doing like
shell tree
please understand
feral jetty
maybe the only way they could implement it is a giant aura and had no way to not...
surely it's not something that stupid....
odd geyser
shell tree
smol ind-
odd geyser
tbf, I skip ocherino on jp
random lake
following wakamo's success in yesod, i wonder if they're gonna release a purple dmg unit with accumulation and special armor now 
when they decide to make yesod easier
marble gust
tbf, I skip ocherino on jp
who even pulled her
odd geyser
just you wait, this new urban red boss with aeimi and rena is gonna use ocherino guys
its her time
SS mood
odd geyser
actually how tf do you design a boss like that where Aru and co won't just steam roll
quiet raft
there is genuinely not enough coins these days for new players
this new season is actually the best it has been for me
odd geyser
how do special buffs interact with TS?
poorly
random lake
how do special buffs interact with TS?
they buff the base unit i think
quiet raft
pvp I used to be behind 1000
cyan ether
it buffs the special itself ye
quiet raft
now I am 400 rank
odd geyser
UAsuna buffs Iroha's attack which is inherited indirectly by Toramaru
polar orbit
this new season is actually the best it has been for me
the new season is goated for defense coins
cyan ether
not the TS
feral jetty
yeah ocherino's dead
random lake
no trust. incoming raid will be +200% damage to TS, -50% dmg to everyone else 
feral jetty
UAsuna buffs Iroha's attack which is inherited indirectly by Toramaru
clearly the optimal play is to first buff iroha with uasuna and then buff toramaru with himari/chare
quiet raft
.1
random lake
no wonder its ass
odd geyser
they finally learned with students like skikyou and smimori
but its too late for these old students
quiet raft
how recent is s.kikyou?
random lake
she released a few weeks ago
quiet raft
that was the release event?
full granite
On global yes
random lake
the one with swimsuit ye
quiet raft
I thought it should have been a rerun
spice spoke
she released a few weeks ago
classifying november as "a few weeks ago" is something
spice spoke
it was before fes
full granite
Takane arrives tomorrow so ss trinity was definitely a while back
random lake
wtf 
spice spoke
and we're past the halfway mark between last fes and next fes
full granite
Not tomorrow but you get what i mean
random lake
takane pullers where
full granite
Totally inconspicuous name
random lake
publish those pyroxenes
full granite
70k in the bag
random lake
are you getting yakumo too?
full granite
Nope
Im pulling takane, suit himari, prolly kei on fest and prolly nothing till rena
spice spoke
not pulling OP aris?
random lake
snow portal
takane pullers where
I meeeeeeean does she really have any use tho...
polar orbit
i'm considering pulling dmichiru just to finally have another cost recovery
summer dew
pulling takane to bed
polar orbit
since my mine pulls went so well
random lake
I meeeeeeean does she really have any use tho...
full granite
not pulling OP aris?
Can borrow her any time for raids
snow portal
full granite
Im not particularly concerned with fest dps
polar orbit
that's why i bailed when i didnt get smika in 200
full granite
How ya been none i haven't been active here much lately
marble gust
ngl
polar orbit
well next week is what it's all be leading to
polar orbit
so true
full granite
polar orbit
full granite
We're just chill like that
empty verge
i'm considering pulling dmichiru just to finally have another cost recovery
A wolf in sheep's clothing
summer dew
i never pull bait which is why i skip dmich and pull takane instead 
marble gust
ragebait 100
summer dew
covert spoke
in a world where TS get doubled effectiveness from geburah buff, wappi buffs, skanna passive, ur doing ~8m every 32 seconds with ocherino
summer dew
nah i decided i'd pull takane long ago and almost gave up on the idea at one point
polar orbit
i never pull bait which is why i skip dmich and pull takane instead <:Clueless:1...
my issue is i already skipped fuyu and im like 99% sure dmichiru will be used in luna hiero, so if I dont pull her now im just adding +1 to the spook pile
covert spoke
which honestly seems fine
fleet narwhal
i want takane
summer dew
but now i'm back pulling which is going to brick my ass
summer dew
i want takane
i want dmich and takane. but i need many others more
covert spoke
shes a princess
summer dew
why is life not fair
covert spoke
you are lucky that a prole such as yourself is even allowed to look at her
fleet narwhal
shes a princess
s.atsuko was welfare too
full granite
Pulling takane and im indefinitely keeping a spark in stock for when momiji alt finally drops
polar orbit
s.atsuko was welfare too
yeah but only after she had a non-welfare version
so this means takane will have a welfare next time
full granite
Im torn between going b50 on momij or saving gifts for alt
empty verge
I'd consider pulling for d michiru if she wasn't so chopped
full granite
It will happen eventually
fleet narwhal
so this means takane will have a welfare next time
i need to spook... during fes...
summer dew
hot spring takane when they reopen the hot springs no. 227 trust me
fleet narwhal
hot spring takane when they reopen the hot springs no. 227 trust me
devs gave up on no.227...
they hate peak
summer dew
i think they did...
full granite
Hot spring meru 2034
fleet narwhal
( i mean this unironically btw, we just need to get some special dps for other colors first)
fleet narwhal
what if we get yesod ga before geb ga
it will 100% happen
currently there is no chance you can do other colors on tor without it being a massssive pain
like, wakaboat blue tor we had long ago
covert spoke
you know it'd actually give them an avenue if they buffed TS on geburah, and also make them useful to actually use
covert spoke
||uneru||
summer dew
kanna but idk how to fill accumulation
fleet narwhal
keep on waiting
hollow obsidian
Waiting in progress
spice spoke
fleet narwhal
yep, currently geb GA cant happen
random lake
spirit?
random lake
yep, currently geb GA cant happen
dw we'll get it basically broadcasted when they decide to release special dps characters for 1 target
simple ravine
wont blue insane be possible with iwak s mash
summer dew
Decreases the Damage Dealt of Striker students, T.S. vehicles and summons by 75%
If ts and summons werent banned utaha could go stonks
simple ravine
but yellow is yeah🥀
fleet narwhal
wont blue insane be possible with iwak s mash<:HikariThinking:137073518118253380...
i would say even tor could be maybe doable
but that would rough
random lake
wont blue insane be possible with iwak s mash<:HikariThinking:137073518118253380...
even so, they never leave only 2 options like that. they would at least release 1 dps a little before the GA
covert spoke
ptsumire is the way
covert spoke
||shes icebreaker||
fleet narwhal
well whats obvious us that geb ga is not the upcoming thing
cuz these recent units sure as hell dont make me think of it
covert spoke
just buff iroha for blue geb ty
steep vortex
does iroha even work on geb
covert spoke
no but if u 16x buff her she might do something
steep vortex
fleet narwhal
Buff qcherino...
covert spoke
think it would legit not be that bad
if the main buffs she gets are from idols which nobody is gonna use her with
if reworked
steep vortex
cause they can be buffed normally unlike most normal special units
covert spoke
idk its not that much to ask + remove the debuff
fleet narwhal
Tbh, with Iroha not being that important for peroro anymore
I dont see why they couldnt just rework how ts units work
covert spoke
give me 1 reason why idols and buffs shouldnt double dip for TS
covert spoke
alright actually maybe ritsu does too much
feral jetty
cause they can be buffed normally unlike most normal special units
i mean yeah but no need to debuff them
feral jetty
just don't give them the special buffs but don't give them the same striker debuffs
what the hell are they expecting a gigabuffed ocherino to do, outdamage satsuki?
summer dew
ocherino iroha shifumi sayane and uh
fleet narwhal
Oh sayane too right
feral jetty
even with the buffs surely satsuki would still outperform ocherino
god i fucking hate geburah
summer dew
the fight is fun but the roster check makes it kinda miserable
covert spoke
i mean its like
even with the buffs and a rework on TS to make them double dip and snapshot buffed stats on summon it'd still do pretty similar with like ue30 satsuki
quiet raft
I headpatted late
steep vortex
i mean yeah but no need to debuff them
im not saying they should be debuffed, im just saying thats why nexon decided to debuff them
quiet raft
I have to wait 50 minutes
random lake
we need a good cherino alt
i know her og is used in some places but she kinda fell in usage
frozen birch
the fight is fun but the roster check makes it kinda miserable
The inability to generally bodythrow making my torment experience so much worse
Since can’t always give up a special slot for a healer either
summer dew
fleet narwhal
They shouldnt have made the key units limited 
Not if they are nigh impossible to replace
covert spoke
tbh rena skanna is able to replace the limited units
and imari is human rights anyways
simply raising a gpina/sfoob/satsuki after that is enough
frozen birch
It’s also cause Satsuki isn’t a comfy experience either way even with the super team
Does Rena buff crit rate btw
Or just crit damage
feral jetty
she doesn't buff crit rate but she buffs both crit dmg and atk
quiet raft
i know her og is used in some places but she kinda fell in usage
I remember using her as a battery last jfd with momiji
feral jetty
so the average dmg is still higher than with isaku i believe
if you're not running uasuna and are running skanna instead
frozen birch
she doesn't buff crit rate but she buffs both crit dmg and atk
So consolidates UAsuna and a chunk of Wappi in exchange for lower survivability
Gotcha
covert spoke
its not that much lower but
frozen birch
So running SKanna and Rena means two units who are likely to die in p2 to later ATGs
Assuming that team makes it that far
feral jetty
she does have an HP passive
covert spoke
nah they'll live
feral jetty
she even does this
frozen birch
My 4* SKanna died to second ATG during my last attempt from full health
So either needs like, UE40
Or something idk
covert spoke
well yeah she does need ue40
quiet raft
I plan on getting Uasuna AND Isakurako myself as I plan to Geburah 
frozen birch
well yeah she does need ue40
And since Rena does too that’s really expensive for me compared to
west perch
feral jetty
this seems decent
frozen birch
Wappi and UAsuna who just function at 3*
covert spoke
they can also die
frozen birch
Can but more likely to survive given right armor
feral jetty
better than isaku's basic skill at least
covert spoke
if ur getting massive highrolls
so if rena skanna more damage then
ur gonna need that or sfoob
quiet raft
hmm
pine horizon
@celest valve Sent a friend request. Fuyu is up
quiet raft
oh, Rena is good for Geburah too, isn't she? 
feral jetty
very good it seems
quiet raft
damn, my pulls are getting drained
feral jetty
if she survives (probably does) then it seems like she outperforms isakurako
feral jetty
yeah she just takes neutral damage and has survivability built into her kit
that's not that bad
summer dew
also boots
feral jetty
skanna already stays alive
quiet raft
and rena is not unique
covert spoke
3* uasuna 45k hp
ue40 rena 83k hp
quiet raft
meaning you could just spook her later on or use selector 
frozen birch
yeah she just takes neutral damage and has survivability built into her kit
Fair. I just don’t wanna need to get Rena to UE40 for that.
quiet raft
unlike Uasuna who demands spark or luck
covert spoke
the ue40 is for buff retention
frozen birch
Plus it means rolling 48% crit rate on Satsuki or so. Albeit 54 crit rate with Wappi isn’t any better.
quiet raft
buff retention is a very small buff but I wouldn't doubt if it is needed for some rots
I need to check back on my convo about that for snagi
feral jetty
buff retention is a very small buff but I wouldn't doubt if it is needed for som...
satsuki does have an annoyingly long EX animation so i'm expecting it
old rose
who are you looking at?
quiet raft
Satsuki's skill is 7.13 seconds long
old rose
rena?
feral jetty
satsuki does have an annoyingly long EX animation so i'm expecting it
stupidly long EX animation, dogshit stab, dogshit crit, oh my god can this unit do ANYTHING right?
pick a struggle damn
celest valve
<@260850425698320385> Sent a friend request. Fuyu is up
Thank you 
quiet raft
stupidly long EX animation, dogshit stab, dogshit crit, oh my god can this unit ...
being Geburah dps
unless we can also count in Nagi or Hibiki
because I've seen Hibiki on an insane showcase
nah, it's 1000 times less than Satsuki, the hell
untold tusk
I upgraded Kei normal skill to 10 was that a good decision though?
lilac solar
frail glen
I mean if you have extra mats sitting there
untold tusk
I was expecting the decision to be considered bricks
frail glen
I was expecting the decision to be considered bricks
Skill 10 for a fest character is never bricc
frozen birch
Really I just wish there was a comfier red special DPS for Geb
untold tusk
Really I just wish there was a comfier red special DPS for Geb
GFina / UKarin are options
empty verge
Skill 10 for a fest character is never bricc
I was slaccing on Rio enhanced until ue40
frozen birch
GFina / UKarin are options
UKarin is clean up and kinda GPina too
polar orbit
my rio may never be ue40 so her enh will stay at 4
untold tusk
my rio may never be ue40 so her enh will stay at 4
Just like I
summer dew
my snagi is ue30 but i maxed her cdmg enh to assert dominance
polar orbit
4 star special buffers except for mreisa 
untold tusk
gear im thinking of rolling dmichiru
Good to roll student in all of design, personality and gameplay
I would recommend
polar orbit
bet
empty verge
Wdym design, she doesn't even have dimorphism
Also, isn't your planner in red with d michiru?
polar orbit
Also, isn't your planner in red with d michiru?
quiet raft
quiet raft
polar orbit
quiet raft
10 pull 
polar orbit
wth is that 400
polar orbit
10 pull <:ReisaStare:1173801923397304432>
dumping ga tix
quiet raft
isakurako plus imari
quiet raft
I am not
untold tusk
Been a while although I remember rolling back to back Dress Michiru in 40 and in 50 because forgot to switch to Dress Tsukuyo banner
Although was all good I got Dress Tsukuyo on the 90th banner roll
polar orbit
No impulse control
man im running this account on two (2) cost recovery units
frail glen
if you dont get imari in under 200 just leave wappi
But but but geburah bricc
quiet raft
I am gettibg the trio, no take backsies
polar orbit
i need a 3rd one...
quiet raft
But but but geburah bricc
this
frail glen
i need a 3rd one...
1600 on fest to spook d michiru, iwak, and himari
polar orbit
but dont brick your account
quiet raft
polar orbit
incredible
untold tusk
Just get Idol Mari in 60 and Idol Sakurako in 101 like I
frail glen
When is jp revealing the next limited events
I am just saying, 2 limited fox squad, 1 welfare, then 1 rerun
polar orbit
yeah they need to give people time to recoup
polar orbit
yes
frail glen
Shouldnt it be spring break
polar orbit
nope
shell tree
<a:KokonaCry:1068792971518017666>
this looks like 67
quiet raft
with that rena I wouldn't be surprised with Geburah making another comeback on near november or smth
frail glen
frail glen
Kether unit?
polar orbit
probably kether yeah
frail glen
Ngl i am expecting a gsc themed raid boss
Because the pv teaser
And last i recall, almost all recently released TA are connected with main stories
polar orbit
yeah they;'ve all been deca
frail glen
yeah they;'ve all been deca <:ReisaDerp:1440245878341374043>
Isnt kurokage relatively new?
polar orbit
i mean it predates me
frail glen
Wow it oldge
polar orbit
fr
frail glen
So why another deca