💬gameplay-discussion

[proven dove]

Yeah I see rena or konoka (whoever won't be released next week) be released in the rerun

[frail glen]

HIMARI ALT

[steady prairie]

[proven dove]

Too soon

[steady prairie]

greedy individual

very tight suit himari is somehow not enough

[frail glen]

Himari cthulhu detective occult alt

[west perch]

I've not watched through any sseia TLs but if it's healerless I think it just destroys the missile system quickly

[proven dove]

I'm done with shops, but didn't buy the furnitures I'll think about them at the end of the event.

[west perch]

shouldn't be a big issue if you walk in from p2

[summer spire]

I just realized

I fucked up elimga planning

[west perch]

I'm alrdy done with shop

[summer spire]

And i have to buy this to have enough for hanako

[west perch]

like 2 days ago

[snow portal]

Too cute

Welp that's all my farming for today

Rabubu farming is coming along

[proven dove]

You can do some pulls on the archive banner

[summer spire]

I'll buy guaranteed 3*

[snow portal]

The scamtix?

Oh no

[proven dove]

It's better scamtix than whatever gets released next fes

[summer spire]

Its still good value

Pyro to $

[proven dove]

It's a good value yeah, unlike upcoming fes scamtixes

[summer spire]

U get 128 pyro per $

If u consider 1 pull = 120 pyro

[grim finch]

people normalize getting scammed now?

[frail glen]

sometimes you just came to a point of realization

everything is a scam

all you can do is to accept it

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-gif-20550641

[grim finch]

i suspect they work for nexon

and trying to increase the sales

[simple ravine]

is there a kurokage hw that doesnt use kikyou c sena and is not 5pan and is not bald as fuck

[signal hound]

What's this website?

[pastel mortar]

Interested too

[simple ravine]

https://kina-ko-m-ochi.net/tlsearch/

[proven dove]

I only see pulls count and ligma in them, the spook itself is a bonus

[simple ravine]

[signal hound]

I was planning to use this comp tbh. (kikyoulet)

[simple ravine]

this is like rank 5 comp or smth

probably needs ue40 s seia and hikari

[signal hound]

there are dozens of clears using this comp

[simple ravine]

my chud life

[fleet narwhal]

hey, any other nerds here that can verify my math ? I'm assuming currently that with max bonus you get 1.2 eleph per 300 ep. So for each 300 ep I need ~88 ap and for a total of 105 more elephs i need 88 (88*1.2=105) more coins. Therefore wont it cost me 88 ap multiplied by 88 coins to get enough (aka 7744 ap) ?

[summer dew]

oh i am in progress again

[woven sigil]

Currently I have 0.409 ligma and 1.113 elephs per 300 ep after 115 rolls

[summer dew]

deno i have doomsday machine ready for you

[pure vessel]

h u h

that's way more generous than most of their contests

[signal hound]

@fleet narwhal please participate

[pure vessel]

tbf designing and making a cosplay outfit is way more expensive than most of what they do

[dim frigate]

wheres the contest reward that lets you pick the next alt

[woven sigil]

Also you have to be a girl

[signal hound]

crazy cosplays incoming

[summer dew]

the median rate is actually 1.15 eleph and 0.41 eligma per coin, so from zero to ue30. accounting for the 100 eleph from milestones, you need 230 more eleph, that is exactly 200 rolls on the minigame total

[dim frigate]

blacksuit in a magical girl scheme would prob be well received lol

[fleet narwhal]

so 94 in my case then

[summer dew]

yeah, hold my beer while i launch my machine

[frail glen]

still looking for advices

[quiet raft]

Nah, you'd win

[frail glen]

[fleet narwhal]

so far I got 125 elephs not counting the free 100 and I did 106 total rolls

[quiet raft]

I feel like I rolled a lot, may not be as much as the denos here

but at least above 70 or something Idk

[signal hound]

I rolled a ton of silver somehow

[fleet narwhal]

so on my end its 1.18 rate so far

per coin

[quiet raft]

I only rolled duds the first day

it somehow feels more generous than the stupid gacha in the cartel event

that one was terrible luck even though I had various miria's

[signal hound]

True. The wildhunt dice game was a scam compared to this game

[quiet raft]

uh, the dice I barely got enough AP and time, I meant the card

[proven dove]

Nexon being feminist

[summer dew]

you are almost in top 10% luck then, i used the pity and hit rates from wiki to do 1 million simulations for 200 rolls. pity modifier changes every 5 non hits to thermite white

------------------------------------
Monte Carlo results (eleph / eligma)
------------------------------------
rolls = 200
sims = 1,000,000
target = 230
std = 7.86 / 6.51
------------------------------------
mean:       229.98 / 82.28
min:        194.00 / 54.00
max:        270.00 / 117.00

top 1%:     248.00 / 98.00
top 10%:    240.00 / 91.00
median:     230.00 / 82.00
bottom 10%: 220.00 / 74.00
bottom 1%:  212.00 / 67.00

------------------------------------
Yield per roll (eleph / eligma)
------------------------------------
mean:       1.15 / 0.41
min:        0.97 / 0.27
max:        1.35 / 0.58

top 1%:     1.24 / 0.49
top 10%:    1.20 / 0.46
median:     1.15 / 0.41
bottom 10%: 1.10 / 0.37
bottom 1%:  1.06 / 0.34
------------------------------------

[echo oar]

gah, got close a couple times

[quiet raft]

sweaty

[fleet narwhal]

eh I like simple calculations the moment we get to medians is where its annoying, but ye I get it

[quiet raft]

no m.reisa?

[fleet narwhal]

so this is where my luck is being spent..

[summer dew]

you can blame me for your bad luck

i dont mind

[echo oar]

mreisa messed with tyuuka too much, I got tired of it

[simple ravine]

how lucky is 3 whites in a row then 3 pinks in a row

[quiet raft]

oh right, her shields are limited, right?

[quiet raft]

me

I will dry spark every banner from this luck

[echo oar]

mhm only 3 allies

[snow portal]

Probably needs higher invest on supports

[quiet raft]

okay, that's harsh

[snow portal]

Nvm, oof your chud life

[wanton pilot]

If u give me the odds for white and pink ill calculate

[quiet raft]

well, I guess Kotori and S.shizuko also only get up to 4

[old rose]

should just be hikari imari p1 and kasumi kanoe p2

[simple ravine]

❌

[old rose]

i don't think it needs to be a 5 pan lol

[summer dew]

but yeah i get what you mean. spreadsheet gaming is annoying but i do this thing for fun & learning more python. but the point is, if no one ever records the rates, you couldn't do your simple math either

(you need about 8k more ap on avg to ue30)

[fleet narwhal]

ye I got that calc too, assuming my current rate its 1 more week without any refreshes

[dull mauve]

[quiet raft]

oh wait, kurokage not in global yet? I thought it was gonna be next global, next is yesod.

[atomic arrow]

don't know if I still need these

[wanton pilot]

❌
🦖

[old rose]

oh that team uses hikari p2 mb

[signal hound]

[summer dew]

"best" is white and "good" is pink

[quiet raft]

so that's why casew has a yesod guide up rn

[wanton pilot]

[dull mauve]

[atomic arrow]

why

[signal hound]

GPina

[atomic arrow]

oh nevermind I scrolled up

[atomic arrow]

what's a luna

[quiet raft]

honestly

[signal hound]

You have to beat it at some point

[quiet raft]

is geburah without shield break bald or doable?

[atomic arrow]

when tor cut-off isn't limited to peroro 🛌

[quiet raft]

insane at least

[snow portal]

Y'all think I can clear Kurokek coming up? Not sure tbh

[atomic arrow]

winnable

[quiet raft]

kurokage?

[old rose]

actually why can't you do something like this?

[signal hound]

It's like first Geburah raid

[simple ravine]

folk i dont have kanoe

and niya if use this comp

[old rose]

ah

[atomic arrow]

if you mean shield ignore, doable

[old rose]

well the third team is just cleanup so niya doesn't matter

kanoe matters tho

[quiet raft]

there were no C.Maki, or S.Fubuki back then?

[simple ravine]

[atomic arrow]

just s.fubuki

[simple ravine]

and kurug ends before idol banners so cant even spook

[quiet raft]

Yeah, just meant shield ignore

g.pina also ignores, right?

or is she a dps ?

[ashen goblet]

Insane geburah? Can be one panned with iwak and satsuki

[simple ravine]

no shes a dps not an ice breaker

[signal hound]

Could you send me these two videos, pretty please? 🙏 🥺

[old rose]

oh I just realized that the kanoe emoji ❌ meant you didn't have kanoe

sry am slow

[quiet raft]

[simple ravine]

they are on souriki border too

[signal hound]

I only saw one, OK I'll check

[simple ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OObcscc6BGQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyWgPyh3Zo

[quiet raft]

I will probably check the yesod guide when it releases, I want to see the animations

[ashen goblet]

Maybe you can try shosh

[snow portal]

Kurokek is next TA after Yes-man

Hiero GA will be

Interesting...

[quiet raft]

I guess that's how i.mari gets you

[simple ravine]

what score is this

[simple ravine]

only 52mil

[old rose]

ur coping alr why are u scorechasing too

[ashen goblet]

I dont see why you couldnt replace kik with kasumi

[old rose]

kikyou's better

[ashen goblet]

yeah

But its workable

[simple ravine]

i dont have her so she sucks

[wanton pilot]

How do pity modifiers work?

[old rose]

its workable but considerably worse

in all likelihood requires groggy setup team or 2, and a cleanup team or 2

[signal hound]

🙏

[snow portal]

Get yourself a car

[obsidian heath]

why "considerably"

kasoom was used in top10 comps

[ashen goblet]

The best scores run either one or the other

[simple ravine]

is there even hw for this

[ashen goblet]

I have one that uses shosh, but also uses kikyou

[snow portal]

Nice to see best score is preference for supports lol

[ashen goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LusIrgfEaC8

[steady prairie]

scary lun doers

[snow portal]

I imagine with the nerf Kurokek will have many more Luna/Tor clears

Lowkey

Might even reach tor cutoff

[obsidian heath]

0 chance

peroro was a fluke because it was completely braindead

[snow portal]

Perhaps

But we shall see

[atomic arrow]

[snow portal]

Did you farm the shop

[atomic arrow]

yeh

[snow portal]

Or only Rabubu?

Oh okay

[atomic arrow]

some shop, some rabu

[snow portal]

Same

Well

[atomic arrow]

[snow portal]

I cleared shop for everything except tier 1 orbs/books

[simple ravine]

because im baldhera..

[ancient star]

Anyone has a homework for this phase 1 team?

[snow portal]

Yesod?

[ancient star]

Yup

[summer dew]

if hit on white, set pity to 0 and reset to default rates. otherwise adjust rates by the pity modifier every 5 rolls

[atomic arrow]

making my own homework

[ancient star]

I may try blind first tbh

[echo oar]

AOBA????

[atomic arrow]

a miniscule amount of trolling 🤏

[obsidian heath]

too early

[echo oar]

curse you, invisible wall! ✊

[snow portal]

Oh right, gotta build Fuyu for GA Hiero

[summer dew]

@wanton pilot and this goes without saying, but for completeness: "thermite white" pity adjusts toward infinity and all others towards negative infinity. effectively reaching 100% on white and 0% on others

[wanton pilot]

So 5 pinks in a row still increases your chance for white?

[summer dew]

yes

[wanton pilot]

I see ty

[steady prairie]

pink is like 2nd place on baseball event

shouldn't affect how pity is built

[summer dew]

source: https://bluearchive.wiki/wiki/Magical_Girl_Heavy_Caliber_～Era's_Ambition_and_the_Right_to_Justice～#Card_Draw at the very bottom of each tab

[quartz remnant]

Ue50 for the cover block

[old rose]

without hikari, subbing kasumi into the kikyou team is considerably worse

the functional kasumi team with hikari in it is fine

[snow portal]

Nah, she can stay at 4* for now

[quartz remnant]

Wasted

Well not rlly

Don't expect her to live long in torment

[snow portal]

She's blue armor and s mood in hiero urban

[quartz remnant]

Are you score chasing

[snow portal]

She will be fine

No, but even if I was someone already scored up to R24 on JP

It's fine

[quartz remnant]

Just to let you know they malded cover block but sure, have fun

[copper crescent]

I'll probably just gonna selector fuyu bc luna hiero is so far away

[snow portal]

Seems pretty easy even without maldris. I.Mari heals and decent Kisaki shield
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHuMGWisXRQ

But I mean

Giving UE to someone I'm only going to use maybe once

And then shelf for months

I meeeeean

[quartz remnant]

More than once but if you care about luna hiero

[snow portal]

Oh then no

[quartz remnant]

Ue40 is optimal

[snow portal]

Lunatic I don't care to do, even this coming Kurokek I'm only bothering since it seems reasonable enough to do

Maybe if there was a rank that required it

I'd care more but as it stands

Same rewards

[quartz remnant]

Lunatic is getting easier thx to the powercreep tho
For an account like urs it should be fairly easy

[frail glen]

what if global binah lunah cutoff

[summer dew]

lunah bin

[snow portal]

Binah Lunatic is laughably easy

Smdh with that one

[quartz remnant]

It's just torment with double health

[snow portal]

Literally

Well

I guess UE30 wouldn't be so bad for Fuyu

A little extra comfort

[frail glen]

i am curious azure how much eligma you have?

[summer dew]

im guessing like 50k

[old rose]

0

[snow portal]

Probably like 500 something

I spend it a lot

[old rose]

just pull for more when you need it

[snow portal]

Exactly

That's literally what I do

[frail glen]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[quartz remnant]

That's about 60 sparks

[old rose]

do not fear the whel with 200k pyrox

fear the whel with 0

[summer dew]

does this mean im a whale when i have more ligma than a whale

[quartz remnant]

Yes now give all ur ligma to me

[summer dew]

but im poor

barely a baby dolphin, a sardine devolved into a plankton

[inner valve]

do we quick craft gifts or manually ?

[snow portal]

Sure why not

[quartz remnant]

Always manual and go for node 3

If you have the resources that is

Never use crafting stone for node 2 and 3

[frail glen]

but isn't dolphin like

235 students and about the same play time like I am

[summer dew]

f2p yes

[quartz remnant]

I only have 216
I'm bricked

[old rose]

no way a dolphin would have 235 lol

[frail glen]

idk how we have same time and I have like 38 less students than dolphin

[frail glen]

they shared a ss

[old rose]

thats a whel

[summer dew]

in gacha terms, dolphin is like the occasional spender who takes some of the special discounts and pakeji here and there

[frail glen]

if not 235, it was a pretty crazy number really close to it

[quartz remnant]

Actually there's 240 students in global

[frail glen]

it was definitely not borderline 200 from what I remembered

[untold tusk]

So am I a dolphin I spend around $260 this month on the various once per account pakeji

[frail glen]

@old rose I was wrong

[summer dew]

someone pull out the graph of leviathan whales and dolphins

[old rose]

they're not a dolphin

well they are a dolphin

but not a dolphin

[frail glen]

but

that's a dolphin

[fleet narwhal]

.........

wait no....

no no no

I can't be ahead of him

no

[summer dew]

poor quality but the point is there

[fleet narwhal]

i am really starting to look like a whale...

[quartz remnant]

A friend of mine

[fleet narwhal]

ah !

thats a whale number

phew

[ancient star]

We saw the edit...

Me f2p with 169

[untold tusk]

I am dolphin I usually only buy monthlies

[copper crescent]

I only buy selectors and scamtix

[steep vortex]

so glad to be a non payer

[fleet narwhal]

pffffffffffffffffffffffff, ye sure 50$ is a whale.

[quartz remnant]

Same

[summer dew]

yeah the money values are obviously different for each game but the distribution should be similar

[fleet narwhal]

iunno

[copper crescent]

Higher than killer whales are f2ps represented by a human figure

[fleet narwhal]

those numbers cant be right

like actual whales spend thousands

look at fgo

or any big gacha

[summer dew]

its an old graph someone posted here earlier

theres probably better ones out there with a little googling

[fleet narwhal]

like I dont mind being called a whale, but that graph was incorrect no matter when it was created

[copper crescent]

Whale

[fleet narwhal]

when corpos create gachas they dont aim for fishes that will spend 50 bucks lmfao

[quartz remnant]

Very incorrect

At least multiply it by 10

[fleet narwhal]

exactly

that might be a graph created an unironic f2p, but actual whales spend WAY more than that

thats who the corpos aim for

50 bucks is bloody nothing to em

[copper crescent]

That chart is gpd standard for determining whels

[fleet narwhal]

ye it would make sense

(btw I am unironically dolphin by its standard)

[old rose]

the actual whales playing like ROK and stuff spend upwards of 10k monthly

[tropic anchor]

Rise of Kingdoms...

Hate that game

[copper crescent]

Who tf pays that much anyways

[quartz remnant]

That game still relevant?

[copper crescent]

That game wasn't even good

[tropic anchor]

Spending is quite literally the name of the game

[old rose]

there are a bunch that are similar, was just the first that came to mind

[tropic anchor]

In fact, there are events in that game that encourage you to spend

The game would be so good if it weren't so pay-to-win

[copper crescent]

Maybe they're trying to launder money idk

[atomic arrow]

-#

[copper crescent]

-#

[eternal thorn]

_ _

[tropic anchor]

At least spending in this game is a one-and-done thing for most items

[summer dew]

yeah did some digging and these figures seem more accurate than whatever was the shit earlier

[fleet narwhal]

ye that is way more likely

[summer dew]

so spend 41-399 and month and you are f2p because no category!

[tropic anchor]

You are F2P if you believe yourself to be

[untold tusk]

I would say I am in the boundary between f2p and whale

[steep vortex]

I would say I am in the boundary between f2p and f2p

[quartz remnant]

I would say I am in the boundary between f2p and f2p

[summer dew]

i would say i am in the boundary between plankton and kelp

[atomic arrow]

I would say

[tropic anchor]

between

[quartz remnant]

Bacteria

[astral fern]

I would say I am in the boundary between f2p and low spender

[eternal thorn]

🐟

[fleet narwhal]

i think therefore I am

I f2p therefore I whale

[untold tusk]

I never think

[copper crescent]

Cogito, ergo sum

[astral fern]

[summer dew]

plot twist: original decagrammaton is actually deno

[copper crescent]

Pugno, ergo sum

[worthy charm]

cogito ergo whel

[summer dew]

Skip rent and spend on gacha instead guys

[untold tusk]

I watched a hw video that brought Cherino and Makoto without cost halving into outdoor Insane Chesed GA that really required?
Is one aoe not already enough?

[old rose]

its not required

most likely you watched a speedrun video

[quartz remnant]

Prob the last chesed GA ye

[summer dew]

Read Cherino subskill too

[untold tusk]

If they were speedrunning why they did not bring cost halving

[old rose]

didn't need it

[quartz remnant]

They don’t need to

[summer dew]

There's more than 1 reason ppl bring her

[quartz remnant]

Also there’s no good aoe striker to cost halve anyway

[copper crescent]

Syukari

[quartz remnant]

Too overkill for chesed

[summer dew]

Topic was on cherino makoto comp on ches

[untold tusk]

I watched the video because was the only SHiyori Insane Chesed clear that I could find

[copper crescent]

Hm

[quartz remnant]

Just use mika

[tropic anchor]

You have enough options for AoE that you can basically freestyle it

[untold tusk]

I said already
I hate Mika so therefore I will not use Mika

[summer dew]

I hate dhina but i still use dhina where dhina is due

[copper crescent]

Dang i thought the new girl's halo was the 3 body system for a sec

[untold tusk]

Unless is UNeru better on Indoor Chesed if yes I would not mind at all bringing her as the dps option

[teal nova]

her mood is red there

[quartz remnant]

Also ur not using multiple ex in time to build up her damage

[untold tusk]

Is either SHiyori or UNeru as my yellow dps borrow for Chesed rerun since there are no other options for I

[summer dew]

ue30 iori and 4* hibiki soon

[copper crescent]

You can use iori for indoor dps

[untold tusk]

You meant a borrow Iori?

[copper crescent]

Yes

[woven sigil]

Sounds like a bad joke

[signal hound]

Deno is Kaiser Corp

[untold tusk]

Well regardless first I attempt with SHiyori on Indoor Chesed if that does not work guess I attempt to find a sensei who have borrow Iori

[woven sigil]

Mika...

[copper crescent]

The rule is you can't use mika

So you gotta find someone else

[woven sigil]

I'm pretty sure that uNeru can smash chesed even on D mood

With 1 opening

[copper crescent]

Not on tor

[untold tusk]

I want to go for Chesed Insane 1pan

[copper crescent]

Oh

[untold tusk]

And perhaps Torment after if I feel is possible

[remote summit]

Chesed insane is piss ez. Should be fine

[summer dew]

wanpan ins no mika is uhh

[remote summit]

Just crit mald

[summer dew]

[teal nova]

critmald is so fun

[remote summit]

Btw what is the next raid

[copper crescent]

We have many yellow dps

Yesod

[summer dew]

mr. hands

[copper crescent]

He got hands

[remote summit]

What do i need for yesod

[copper crescent]

Literacy

[ancient star]

Self imposed masochist challenge I guess

[summer dew]

difficulty?

literacy yes

[remote summit]

Can't

[copper crescent]

Damn

[ancient star]

Then RIP

[remote summit]

Imagine reading

[summer dew]

cope on normal and pray

[ancient star]

Cope on 0 rewards

[summer dew]

yes

[copper crescent]

Look up yesod comps on yuzutrends

[ancient star]

Because Normal also punish you for not reading

[woven sigil]

I did the calc

You can with bald crits

[remote summit]

Yesod comp

[woven sigil]

Rio, bikeMari and sSeia

[copper crescent]

Holy

[woven sigil]

And UE60B50 Neru borrow

[remote summit]

Holy

[teal nova]

yesod has no rng beside the mark spawn

[remote summit]

No rng no fun

L raid

[summer dew]

just go in blind like me

[woven sigil]

Mark spawn isn't a real rng cuz they always DO spawn on the correct side

[remote summit]

Bring back kurokage or something

[summer dew]

causew said p1 is fun puzzle to solve on your own, i trust him on this

i havent read anything about it

[woven sigil]

See you after a burnt tix

[untold tusk]

You forget I am to go into every raid Seialess and SSeialess

[summer dew]

nu uh

[teal nova]

then no rng

[tropic anchor]

I cheated and read SchaleDB

[copper crescent]

Problem solving > balding

[woven sigil]

When you won't react to restart

[woven sigil]

Bruh

[summer dew]

cant burn tix if i dont spend tix

[woven sigil]

Then you won't understand, why are you dead

[copper crescent]

cant burn tix if i dont have tix

[summer dew]

mock uses tix now? damn

[remote summit]

You die because ur students running out of hp

Obvious

[tropic anchor]

Time is money, as they say

[copper crescent]

Money is money

[summer dew]

money is money

[copper crescent]

Guys

[tropic anchor]

🐳 is 🐳

[copper crescent]

What if we have rule where if students die you fail the raid

[remote summit]

I have better idea

[tropic anchor]

Kurokage

[remote summit]

If your students die they are removed permanently

[old rose]

nuzlocke blue archive

[untold tusk]

Well do you think I even attempt any raid on Torment Seialess and SSeialess or do I just not try?

[old rose]

[woven sigil]

Stop wasting time

[copper crescent]

You can do it

[remote summit]

You can't. Time wasting itself

[copper crescent]

Torment is possible before sseia and seia existed

[remote summit]

Torment yesod?

[wind dawn]

Just want some answers for a quick question. Which academy on average do you think has the strongest, most meta defining units by amount? Personally, I can't decide between Trinity and Millennium.

[woven sigil]

[copper crescent]

Tor in general but definitely yesod yes

[old rose]

right now trinity, after next fest millennium

[copper crescent]

-#

[tropic anchor]

What was that?

[woven sigil]

last 8 characters on JP are millenium

[remote summit]

Gehenna for sure

Other schools don't have ibuki

[wind dawn]

Speaking of, for the next unreleased fes besides the upcoming one, which academy do you wish gets those fes units?

[remote summit]

Ez sweep

[untold tusk]

I guess I could attempt every Torment Seiasless
Though for I I do not know if I could defeat

[copper crescent]

I see

[old rose]

me personally? gehenna

or arius

[woven sigil]

Tor isn't a real difficulty anymore

[untold tusk]

What that meaning?

[wind dawn]

I double checked the amount of fes units by academy. Trinity and Millennium have 4 fes units, Gehenna has 1, Abydos has 3, and Hyakkiyako has 1.

[remote summit]

Tor is insane now

Insane is extreme

[woven sigil]

Every tor in the game can be crushed with an asphalt roller

40.125 blue hiero moment

[opaque dagger]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[remote summit]

Miku collab rerun could be coming out of nowhere

[old rose]

now do f100

[summer dew]

googling how to obtain an asphalt roller as private individual using legal means

[untold tusk]

An easy skip

[woven sigil]

Rent it

[old rose]

that is a wild amount of cope though

respect

[woven sigil]

Quite easy thing to do

[remote summit]

There will be red and yellow miku as well

[astral fern]

Tbf skipping mika isn't that cope if you have uneru

[opaque dagger]

Bro, the crit bald and position bald is absurd in this, actually so disgusting

[untold tusk]

Teto might be a potential roll for I

[opaque dagger]

When I finally saw a 34m into P2 with everyone but Aoba I was like "holy shit I am doing this"

[copper crescent]

🥔

[astral fern]

In purple it's cope

In yellow not really

[opaque dagger]

This took over 15 hours of balding

[wind dawn]

I wanna see the devs throw a reasonable blue ball and choose hyakkiyako.

[atomic arrow]

that's long

[old rose]

id be down

[opaque dagger]

We both know I have no way of surviving F100 with this team

[old rose]

[woven sigil]

I could've bald F108 with ue40 Nozomi

[opaque dagger]

And fuck that extra 50m HP

[woven sigil]

But this shupo brat dodges sHoshino's aura by all means

[remote summit]

Guys, how do you auto 74th tiffany

[atomic arrow]

you don't

[woven sigil]

[remote summit]

Dang

Bad frr

[copper surge]

If we talking 2026, it's Trinity because of Tea Party. 2 Mikas, 2 Seias, 1 Nagisa and I am not event counting the rest.

[opaque dagger]

Tiph is actually just disgusting

But part of it is because the only good options for shielding are Yuuka Track and Kaede

[woven sigil]

Kaede is free

[opaque dagger]

Yea but Kaede means no CDmg buffer

[woven sigil]

What do you mean

Lol

[copper surge]

Mika alone is double fest and she is used on every yellow raid.

[woven sigil]

[opaque dagger]

Or you do Rioless balding

[remote summit]

Mika who? I only know maki

[woven sigil]

Rioless isn't balding

TL for this team is actually good

[copper surge]

oh god, Imari is Trinity too

[opaque dagger]

How far can you go Rioless

[woven sigil]

I almost did F108 with UE40 Nozomi

Without rio

Lol

[remote summit]

I need equipments

[wind dawn]

[remote summit]

Real bad

[opaque dagger]

Guess I just got skill issue

[remote summit]

When x4 equipment

[opaque dagger]

But I'm using Niya + Seia Swimsuit anyway, I ain't going past 99

And with Seia Swimsuit, I need Rio to keep her alive

[untold tusk]

And not Kisaki?

[copper surge]

But Gehenna has DHina, Aru(s), Ako(s), Fuuka and Satsuko. It's close but double fest favors Trinity

[opaque dagger]

Don't have

[remote summit]

Better buy one on amazon

[copper surge]

Trinity has a lot of useful mid tiers too. Serina, Koharu, Reisa, Hinata

[wind dawn]

by the way, which academy do you think has the least meta defining units?

[woven sigil]

Maybe that's the problem

Not the rio

[woven sigil]

Valk

[copper crescent]

Red winter

Oh

Yeah valk

[wind dawn]

swimsuit kanna

[remote summit]

Wild hunt

[woven sigil]

Fuyu exists

[teal nova]

srt (it got demolished)

[copper crescent]

If skanna is meta then fuyu is also meta

[copper surge]

Vakyirie I guess

[untold tusk]

Well guess not everyone second spook was Kisaki like I
Kisakiless is most likely fine enough is it not?

[wind dawn]

can you guys remember any meta defining srt units?

[copper crescent]

Maybe srt

[remote summit]

No

[copper crescent]

They aren't meta anymore

We haven't seen srt in action for years outside greg

[woven sigil]

Saki is pvp meta

[dim frigate]

Saki resurgence for yesod

[wind dawn]

at least for valkyrie I can remember swimsuit kanna

[remote summit]

I think there was srt mine

[copper crescent]

Skirino

Sfubuki

[woven sigil]

s.Saki

[woven sigil]

foob is ice breaker

[copper crescent]

She is meta ice breaker

[remote summit]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-gif-25253608

[dim frigate]

Valk at least currently has 100% hit rate on character designs

[woven sigil]

She's the only ice braker, cuz cMaki isn't a real character

[copper surge]

meta defining for me is something like Kisaki you force

People instead played without Ice Breaker

[summer dew]

meta is such a vague term in ba anyway

[copper crescent]

Yeah

[remote summit]

Meta

Metagorl

[woven sigil]

true

[copper crescent]

Maybe usage is better

[woven sigil]

That's why sKanna isn't meta

[remote summit]

Is skanna even real

[ashen goblet]

Kirino has 0% hit rate.

[woven sigil]

sKanna is now a geb slave, cuz luna Binah was cleared without her

[copper surge]

for me, meta is fest and stuff like Kisaki, Imari and Ny Fuuka

[snow portal]

Yes

[dim frigate]

[remote summit]

This is ai

[copper surge]

i guess Kisaki is the best example, because people force her

[atomic arrow]

[atomic arrow]

kisaki is fes tier for me

[wind dawn]

something I gotta say, Millennium has gotten a lot of meta units, yet no summer units (swimsuit eimi doesn't count)

[snow portal]

Oh absolutely

[remote summit]

I don't like kisaki. I like kiki

[copper surge]

I decided to max Mashiro

[atomic arrow]

based

[teal nova]

nerds dont like to go swimming

[copper surge]

I just want more bunny

[wind dawn]

buy the energy drinks

[snow portal]

Still funny to me that S.Seia despite having the same skill and only slightly less percent still isn't used at much as Kisaki lmao. But I guess people understand the value of not having your powerful support in the frontlines where they could die. Something I'd been saying since the Himari/C.Hare times

[copper surge]

I am buying x4 every day 👍

[wind dawn]

first grass, now can't touch sand?

[atomic arrow]

yeh

[copper surge]

I just want more bunny. I dont even care who (as long as its not cherino)

[copper crescent]

It's more sseia range is awkward

[remote summit]

Bunny overrated

Unless it is reverse one

[snow portal]

Because pistol users are always awkward

[copper crescent]

Yes

[opaque dagger]

The problem is neither Hare Camp nor Seia Swimsuit runs shoes

Also yea, the 550 range of Seia Swimsuit is a liability in many scenarios (source: resident Seia Swimsuit balder)

But the main thing is Kisaki's kit comes with cost recovery and shields

[copper crescent]

Kisaki's kit is solid

[copper surge]

[dim frigate]

Do we see the first character of the new event on Jp tonight

[copper crescent]

Idk

[steep vortex]

give me rena or give me death

[teal nova]

i mean they can go to waterpark like valk girls

[snow portal]

Just another reason for the lower usage over stronger backline options

[wind dawn]

Which academies have not touched sand yet?

[remote summit]

Touch mari

[atomic arrow]

1st thing I thought of was nagoos

[steep vortex]

shanhaijing lmao

[copper surge]

Kisaki kit is too well rounded. You could use SSeia to replace Kisaki, but who are you putting in Kisaki place? Fish? Ninja Fish? Fucking Ny Haruka?

So until we get a better cost-gen than Kisaki, there is no use to not use her

[summer dew]

the S in S. Seia stands for suicidal

[copper crescent]

Himari

[opaque dagger]

Bro, the amount of social distancing into microwave is infuriating

[copper surge]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm... I guess. But isnt Kisaki + Chare better than Himari + SSeia?

[copper crescent]

Yes

[summer dew]

no i know this is just because im cooking rot and simply throwing the shield to random places

im not actually paying attention to run itself

[opaque dagger]

This is, by far, the most disgusting thing I've done in BA. Even Pelolo scorechase balding wasn't as trash as this

[remote summit]

More like kisaki+rio

[opaque dagger]

And I will be honest

I did 99 purely for the Youtube video

[atomic arrow]

but then you're card malding with rio

[opaque dagger]

Could've just stopped at 94 and comfy

[copper crescent]

Kisaki snagisa is also rly nice

[opaque dagger]

But now I've got a banger video

[copper surge]

I am afraid of the day we get a better cost gen of kisaki

[summer dew]

but anyway i am doing f99 without kisaki rio and this is not fun either

[copper crescent]

Her cost borrow kinda means u have 5 more cost over the fight

[opaque dagger]

What's your shielding solution without Rio? I don't think you cycle Yuuka Track fast enough without Rio to keep Seia Swimsuit alive

[atomic arrow]

instead of shield it's an attack buff

[summer dew]

let me correct myself

but anyway i am doing f99 without kisaki rio or tyuuka and this is not fun either

[opaque dagger]

Pls don't tell me you're doing Kotori

[snow portal]

Would that be better or worst depending on the recipient

[summer dew]

s.eimi

[copper surge]

@ruby laurel Bird detected

[atomic arrow]

🐦 !

[opaque dagger]

UE30 I hope?

[remote summit]

Ok but nagisa is british

[copper crescent]

Wtf

[opaque dagger]

I had to UE40 Yuuka Track to make this bald rotation consistent. With UE30 it's too unstable

[summer dew]

3* seems to work just fine

[opaque dagger]

Oh you're using Reisa Magic right?

Then you should be fine

I'm cheaping out on Shigure Hot Spring EX usages

I use her EX once, between Waves 3 and 4

Waves 4 and 5 I only have 2 Yuuka Track EX to survive

[copper crescent]

Guys what if

[opaque dagger]

Aoba dies for sure, and I have to somehow keep the other 4 alive

[summer dew]

no mreisa

[copper crescent]

What if we get another cost borrow buffer with cost sub

[summer dew]

aoba is fine

[copper crescent]

And then u can have 10 cost borrow

[novel timber]

[copper crescent]

Oh hmm

[summer dew]

my biggest problem is rei not dealing enough

[copper crescent]

What if we get someone who stores overflow cost and buff

[quartz remnant]

We already have byuzu that stores buff in a way

[copper surge]

Ì think we'll be getting green stuff

[snow portal]

Archive tix?

[atomic arrow]

swimsuit haruna, green attack
I can see the vision

[snow portal]

Turn your back on the cope

[atomic arrow]

[summer dew]

this might explain a little why my rei is so bad

[copper crescent]

Ooo what if we get someone who can freeze buff timers aka put a status effect where the buffs someone has is not active until they use ex

[copper crescent]

Frenzy MAX energy

[atomic arrow]

when pc client released I got confused by keybind labels and skill costs

[snow portal]

Combat Limbo?

[copper crescent]

That way we could get multi dps by optimizing buff timers

[summer dew]

byuzu:

[copper crescent]

Yes but she only freeze her own buffs

[summer dew]

i mean her atk buff activates on target ex use right?

yeah

[copper crescent]

Yes

[copper surge]

Getting there

Goal is Ue30

[summer dew]

i mean, more buffers like byuzu but without cost halving and instead bigger numbers would be interesting

[copper surge]

I was super interested in BYuzu

[copper crescent]

I was saying like freeze all buffs from other buffers and not just herself

[summer dew]

yea i understand

[copper surge]

but I keep going back to "just use Rio"

[copper crescent]

Ah

[summer dew]

but that sparked a thought myself

[atomic arrow]

sparked

[copper surge]

but I have all my pulls planned and mapped and I have the pyro to pull her, so why not

[atomic arrow]

[copper surge]

I am skipping the forehead girl anyway

[copper crescent]

Aka how to powercreep without significantly powercreeping

[copper surge]

I mean, whats her name... Red winter Princess

[remote summit]

Swimsuit himari when

[copper crescent]

Takane

[atomic arrow]

takane

[obsidian heath]

track akane

[copper surge]

Takane, yeah...

[atomic arrow]

comfy geb prep

[copper surge]

but I guess, pound by pound.. maybe Takane better?

[snow portal]

Not anymore

[remote summit]

I hate yesod already

[copper surge]

What happened?

[remote summit]

Why they want us to read

What a crime

[atomic arrow]

just watch the causew video

[snow portal]

Her jobs got stolen, except for coping potential use for Lunatic Hiero

[copper surge]

By who?

[copper crescent]

Binah luna doesn't need her

[snow portal]

^

[copper crescent]

Idk about stolen tho

[copper surge]

I am kind banking on a red armor healer being useful SOMEWHERE

[copper crescent]

It's more there isn't a need

Boat

Kaiten

[copper crescent]

Shiro Culo

[obsidian heath]

only kaiten

cope

[copper surge]

oh, there is Yakumo too. Let me check her kit

[copper crescent]

Jfd

[snow portal]

Lmao

[copper surge]

Oh, its repo.

[copper crescent]

Qtomoe + yakumo pvp repos

[snow portal]

Yakumo is just repo for kaiten, and Q.Tomoe still exist

Well

Also cc

But meh

[summer dew]

what if we got something funny like special slot "ex redraw buffer" that has cost sub and small cdmg in addition
like ex use on target: makes the target ex card persist for maximum of 2 additional casts for 30s

[atomic arrow]

rio at home?

[echo oar]

lmao is that 99

[summer dew]

yea rio at home but different

[copper crescent]

That's better than rio tho

[echo oar]

I'm still stuck trying to shave that last bit off of 101

[atomic arrow]

rio is homeless...

[copper surge]

BYuzu costing 4 kinda make it a bit complicated to use comfortably.

[summer dew]

hmm true it would make rio homeless

[copper crescent]

Ex redraw student pair with rio

Infinite EXs

[opaque dagger]

Yea, that is 99, the removed Shigure Hot Spring EX allows me to 4 EX groggy. Rest is just insane crit balding + position balding

[summer dew]

can imagine nightmare to implement in code

[opaque dagger]

At least I can say there is actually no way I can do 100

So I can finally slep for real

[desert sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/night-crypto-nft-sleepy-good-night-gif-26399903

[copper crescent]

The ex frequency goes much higher when u go from just rio to rio and another redrawer

[opaque dagger]

The amount of times I've reset when

• I don't hit below 135m at end of wave 2
• I don't hit below 110m at end of Wave 3
• I don't hit below 80m at end of Wave 4
• I don't hit below 40m after groggy

[copper crescent]

U go from 1/4 frequency to 2/4 with rio and then 3/4

[opaque dagger]

You really need to take advantage of the core groggy on Waves 2 and 3

So it's 2 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 4 + 6, which is 21 Saori Dress EX I could fit in

[copper surge]

Let me ask you guys
Would you rather

Pull for BYuzu banner (Byuzu + BEimi)
Pull for Takane banner (Takane + Yakumo)
Save for a rainy day

[obsidian heath]

save for a rainy day

nothing to roll for the next 5 months

[copper surge]

Maybe I'll pick the limiteds I am missing

[copper crescent]

Save for a rainy day

Bc perma mean spookable and ur rich enough to live without them

[copper surge]

I am not rich anymore, I pulled for Magical, I am below 100k, I am basically starving here

and I'll pull for Ninja Fish, basically bricked

[obsidian heath]

yakumo and aeimi will be useful for kaiten lun but we don't know how necessary they are

takane is a joke

[summer dew]

I too am below 100k, I am basically starving here

[copper crescent]

Bro has less than 100k while me with 21k pyrox

[copper surge]

Hunger bros 🫂

[snow portal]

At least she's a cute joke

[obsidian heath]

ayuzu is maybe second team support for mechalice, maybe not

[snow portal]

Welcome to poorville

[copper crescent]

And smika

[copper crescent]

Byuzu good for srkr maybe

[summer dew]

i am pulling takane for wife collection, if she appears useful in 3 years then nice

[copper surge]

I'll just pull on the limited recollection banner and try to get Sazoo and maybe BKarin (I know Aris exist)

[snow portal]

That's the spirit! I know the same feeling

[copper surge]

TMari is more useful than BKarin, but using TMari is painful

[gleaming wren]

how do we tell him

[obsidian heath]

tell him what

[gleaming wren]

nothing i just wanted to scare him

[polar orbit]

brother, may i have some oats

[obsidian heath]

byuzu + mechalice on srkr is the most reasonable use case for byuzu atm

[atomic arrow]

how do we tell him

[gleaming wren]

tell me what

[atomic arrow]

[simple ravine]

[obsidian heath]

I believe it's a mistake that ayuzu buffs atk instead of cdmg

because it's so much easier to slot an atk buff when you only have one special slot left

[shell tree]

pomf

[polar orbit]

how many raids do we think are faster off-color now

[obsidian heath]

anything that isn't natively blue is faster off-color

geburah doesn't count

[polar orbit]

that was my first thought too, but then there are a bunch of exceptions

surely greg is not faster

[echo oar]

YAAAAHHHH

[obsidian heath]

nut with kei may be nutty

[atomic arrow]

[echo oar]

I've marked my territory

f101 in NA

[polar orbit]

wow best na

[atomic arrow]

I can claim 102

[obsidian heath]

actually skoharu > nut

[echo oar]

not if I get it tomorrow

[obsidian heath]

since he definitely dies well before final phase

[atomic arrow]

[polar orbit]

wasnt the last blue greg nutsuki

[atomic arrow]

[summer dew]

shu-shu-poppoo~

[polar orbit]

i thought she was just the non bald option

[round kayak]

fastest iirc was skoharu since nut can miss quite alot pre-luna greg

[atomic arrow]

no balding in the halls

[polar orbit]

i did banana cat

[quiet raft]

Is D.Saori also good against Kurokage?

[polar orbit]

that was fun

[polar orbit]

d mood

[remote summit]

Who is dsaori? Is she even real

[atomic arrow]

[quiet raft]

oof

so Shanako and Kikyou

[polar orbit]

rei probably better than dsaori just cause she's

[echo oar]

EXCUSE ME WHAT

[round kayak]

kikyou isn't a dps btw

[polar orbit]

kikyou not a dps

[echo oar]

I didn't notice I missed a bot on wave 1 in that run!

[remote summit]

What

[quiet raft]

ik, I was talking in the same team

[polar orbit]

oh. yes

[opaque dagger]

👀 you prolly go further with Hoshino Swimsuit, but that means sciencing out the shielding

Easier to just let Shun explode

[echo oar]

yeah the shielding is suuuuch a pain

[polar orbit]

if you're gonna ultra speedrun tor though, they dropped kikyou for hikari

[echo oar]

I'm enjoying pushing this comp

[round kayak]

That's 1 less crit right there

[echo oar]

I've found the exact pixel I want to use tyuuka on so nozomi gets her basic early

[atomic arrow]

enhance

[echo oar]

dsao missed all crits on that bot 😔

[remote summit]

How comfy

[polar orbit]

havent checked

[opaque dagger]

Truly baldshino, luckily I don't have Kisaki so this is not a consideration

[remote summit]

I always hate kikyou for the cost

[quiet raft]

ultra speedrun, so you mean balding?

[round kayak]

Yes

[opaque dagger]

And this time, you have no more magic to prove Seia Swimsuit viable

[polar orbit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGlkRZzPvIs

[quiet raft]

seeing that def of Kurokage is so scary

[echo oar]

that actually explains so much

[polar orbit]

post-eye nerf so

[echo oar]

I was like "huh I did everything exactly right, but his health looks kinda high for wave 2"

[quiet raft]

like wtf you tell me Kurokage has up to 75% def

[polar orbit]

it's probably not that bad

[echo oar]

lo and behold, +2% hp from a missed bot kill

[round kayak]

that's why you bring Def shred

[opaque dagger]

Is this 0 buff Saori Dress?

[echo oar]

hikari + rio

if all hits don't crit, it won't take out a bot on wave 1

[round kayak]

and yeah post nerf krkg is less bs than before

[quiet raft]

it was nerfed?

[polar orbit]

this is why kikyou is a unit lel

[opaque dagger]

Ngl I would've saved Hikari for Nozomi instead for cost down

[polar orbit]

and kasumi

and niya

[echo oar]

noooo she gets used on both

[round kayak]

And shanako having Def down on basic

[echo oar]

and nozomi isn't used on wave 1 at all

[opaque dagger]

Oh you rotate back

[quiet raft]

Being Shanakoless is truly an experience of all time

[remote summit]

Looks comfy

[opaque dagger]

#nocoregroggydunwannattack

[echo oar]

yeah wave 2 looks like: hikari rio on dsao, snagi on nozomi, dsao dsao on bots, hikari rio kisaki on nozomi, nozomi twice

[round kayak]

Borrow shanako ez solutions

[quiet raft]

I guess my boshi will do good on kurokage

[remote summit]

Something about brick rocket and donut i don't remember oom said

[round kayak]

She's on the cleanup team

[polar orbit]

yeah bosh body throw is quite nice

[copper surge]

I need a meta team for Tiff

[pastel mortar]

Selector kisaki too

[polar orbit]

yeah not that bad

[quiet raft]

I meant tank mode, you mean attack mode?

[polar orbit]

of course

[round kayak]

Nooo boshi isn't bodythrow on krkg

[polar orbit]

yes she is

[shell tree]

I read this as bosh body pillow is quite nice

[remote summit]

Im throwing boshi

[quiet raft]

my kansha is lvl -0

[remote summit]

Defenestrate boshi

[round kayak]

That's not what you call a bodythrow

[quiet raft]

🥀

[round kayak]

fine line between bodythrow and cleanup

[remote summit]

Chat, if you get to throw one of ur student out of the window which would you pick?

[polar orbit]

default hina

[round kayak]

you

[quiet raft]

Cherino, she's light

[gleaming wren]

wtf chair

[round kayak]

As much as I hate other students I don't throw them out the window

[gleaming wren]

prepare to get banned

[remote summit]

Ngl i would throw shiroko

So i can get terror

[quiet raft]

defenestrating your students is a lil too much

[summer dew]

reisa

[quiet raft]

actually

[obsidian heath]

aoba

[quiet raft]

you can defenestrate Kasuza or Kikyou

they are cats

you could even throw them off the big student council tower

[round kayak]

What balding tiphy does to a man

[summer dew]

nah aoba would just walk back in and ask wtf is your problem and spannah you in the head

[copper crescent]

What about the birds

[untold tusk]

I watched a Gregorio Insane hw that brought Hibiki and Nagisa
And so I could only conclude is to bring 2 red special dps is that correct?

[copper crescent]

Also hina can fly in canon

[quiet raft]

oh

I just remembered

[ripe mason]

no bring dhina

[obsidian heath]

ye, if aoba can survive 3 minutes in the microwave oven then she can survive defenestration

[quiet raft]

I have Bunny Asuna for Kurokage, I am a genius

[remote summit]

Truth nuke

[copper crescent]

Alber stronk

[untold tusk]

I am afraid that is not possible
I am Dress Hinalessing on every raid

[polar orbit]

If you're not using dress Hina strats, then you can. But you can also use only one special dps if they are strong enough. It really all depends on what debuffers you bring

[round kayak]

I've only seen it on vol 1, chap 3 was there any other time ingame she was flying?

[copper crescent]

No

[round kayak]

Awww

would be cute to see Hina flying more

[remote summit]

Why would you want her to fly

[quiet raft]

actually

[remote summit]

Flying is exhausting

[round kayak]

Why not

[untold tusk]

I bring Mine as a debuffer is that enough or

[remote summit]

Even birds don't wanna fly

[quiet raft]

besides Kikyou and B.asuna, who else can def shred aoe?

[round kayak]

kasumi

Mine

[frail glen]

if birds don't want to fly then why they have wings

[summer dew]

niya

[quiet raft]

none I have

[remote summit]

Those who get a chance to not have their wings reduced

[copper crescent]

Nagisa

[lyric hatch]

They were born with it they got no choice

[quiet raft]

I'm clearing hardcore on this one

[untold tusk]

To look cool(?)

[round kayak]

Less effective on non-red armour tho

[copper crescent]

Not just less effective

[opaque dagger]

Ah, I see now