💬gameplay-discussion

[copper crescent]

Effectively extra ap/day

[ashen turret]

nah it caps at 0ap

[copper crescent]

Dang

[ashen turret]

20 tickets did go crazy tho

[covert spoke]

yeah 72 per day during 3x

[ashen turret]

how much is that effectively

u have what? 6 tickets?

if no monthlies

[covert spoke]

so +54

but also not paying energy

so u get 378 extra sweeps over f2p and pay no energy

the extra tickets give you enough extra sweeps to equal the amount that a f2p farms (during 2x only) over 4.5 months and u pay 2835 less ap

in that 1 week

[young lotus]

please JP get lunatic cutoff it'd be hilarious

[tidal tree]

Man, I sure love when two Satsuki EX's do 14m in p1 and only 6m in p2

[torn thorn]

🪚

[stable zealot]

barely enough credits left to borrow for today's raid 💸

[prime geyser]

[summer spire]

More lunatics than very hard

[young lotus]

[summer spire]

Some Sensei's on anniversary

[west perch]

think by tomorrow they'll get it

day after at the latest

[astral fern]

Nezo upon summoning Dajin

[torn thorn]

lol

wtf is this

[polar orbit]

good emote

[astral fern]

For ppl like us who don't know any better

"Yo what's the tor hw for srkr?"

[eternal thorn]

[astral fern]

Been here since yesterday I think

[young lotus]

hey look I killed the boss in 1 frame while doing 0 damage

[edgy widget]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1467074844222034115.webp?size=160

[wanton pilot]

Waifu team without an upscore

Ssg

[sand harness]

This geb thing is easy

[covert spoke]

i kneel

[lament gyro]

wtf kaijutoru

[polar orbit]

dude it's always the satsuki EX after the first pillar that low rolls

istg it feels like some part of the rng in this game is deterministic

[edgy widget]

raaaaaaaahhhhh

[mint sapphire]

whats the tl for this?

how bald is it

[covert spoke]

dunno what score is

that looks like tor tho

[mint sapphire]

53015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX2wQeIzjus think it's this

[snow portal]

Wanna go even further beyond?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA92I5pn1gc

[covert spoke]

ue50 koharu is so f2p..

[green ferry]

this p2 rot ass btw

satsuko -> iwappi -> uasuna -> gpina satsuko iwappi -> gpina is faster and still in time for maki basic

+7k

[dull mauve]

🦖

[covert spoke]

🦖

[polar orbit]

🦖

[green ferry]

why rex me I'm f2p and comfy...

[green ferry]

beyond comfy if you don't care about 2pan it

average crit will finish p1 below 15m and u can just ukarin it

[summer dew]

using gpina instead of satsuki feels like walking backwards

[covert spoke]

[summer dew]

using my cope cleanup team first

[grand fern]

wait this looks like teams i use

twin 🤜

[obsidian heath]

which is kinda better because the cope team has an easier time surviving p1 rather than p2

[summer dew]

yeah indeed

[odd geyser]

[fleet narwhal]

me f2p cant compete

[shrewd mirage]

[mint sapphire]

can ukarin do 5.6m damage in one EX

[fleet narwhal]

wtf, me no trex

Dajin

[odd geyser]

better score than me = whale

thems the rules

[mint sapphire]

ue40

[summer dew]

deno it's your fault i am suffering right now

[odd geyser]

hopefully I didn't just get god like satsuki crit in mock

[summer dew]

you told me to not build satsuki

now i cant borrow wappi

[fleet narwhal]

you're on eu

just do insane

[fleet narwhal]

cuz ue40 satsuki for a single tor is a dumb decision

unless you intend to start pulling for ligma on fes

[summer dew]

well yes i spent that ligma on snagi iwak and sseia instead

i think that will yield me a lot more results

[fleet narwhal]

uh ye, so you made the right decision

[mint sapphire]

i dont think its possible

[fleet narwhal]

sacrifices must be made

[woven sigil]

@proven dove I upscored

[feral jetty]

i'm not clearing this shit

[gleaming wren]

hello gpd

[feral jetty]

hello

[gleaming wren]

need ue60 koharu

to fully heal heater at the start 😔

[mint sapphire]

it MIGHT be doable with nagisa

[gleaming wren]

but then he wouldn't be able to oneshot heater 😔

ACTUALLY

what if u use kokona tyuuka

[mint sapphire]

all that work and it's not even an upscore

[feral jetty]

doesn't work

you need broko for them to live

[gleaming wren]

rip

[mint sapphire]

god fucking dammit

[gleaming wren]

like

the other option i have in mind is

Using Mine instead of bhoshi

[feral jetty]

see that's the funny part

i don't have imine

[gleaming wren]

normal mine

[feral jetty]

wtf

[gleaming wren]

so like

[proven dove]

Niice GG +.+ What hp did you leave after the first team ? 110m or more ?

[gleaming wren]

mine tyuuka kokona skanna

[mint sapphire]

how bald is the gpina team

[true scroll]

112-116m

depends

[mint sapphire]

112-116 is how much i leave in my P1 too but i use satsuki borrow in P2

[true scroll]

112m might crit too much and brick groggy

[woven sigil]

113.500

[true scroll]

116m or higher might have troubles with entering p2

[proven dove]

Alright worth trying :3 I already gave 4* to uasuna (tl was inconsistent with her 3* she dies more than not)

[true scroll]

(i happen to mald the exact same strat as he does)

[woven sigil]

Bald cuz

1. you need to crit before transition
2. you mustn't crit before groggy (or else you're fcked, you cancel the pillar and the next pillar your team gets wiped out by ATG)
3. you must crit everything after groggy

[mint sapphire]

is balding gpina crits worse than balding satsucrits

it felt like it on hardcore

[true scroll]

[woven sigil]

Nah

[true scroll]

around the same level

[woven sigil]

I got to 116 mil in 3:10 on P1 today

But Pina screwed me

[mint sapphire]

oh i meant satsuki super team

[woven sigil]

Kaiju team is gigachad

[mint sapphire]

thats what im currently doing

[copper crescent]

Wtf is that emote

[woven sigil]

But I don't wanna bald with 3* sKanna

[mint sapphire]

similar groggy and HP setup

[true scroll]

[copper crescent]

Incredible

[proven dove]

I need to find ue60 gpina borrow though :3 I only have a ue50 one with t9 watch

[woven sigil]

Whalesaur

[true scroll]

ask kaijufamy

[mint sapphire]

i guess i could give the gpina super team a shot

[woven sigil]

It's very groggy dependent

[mint sapphire]

i mean so is the satsuki super team i'm using

i burnt tickets yesterday because of it

[true scroll]

you might need to throw some ults without buffs to not brick groggy

[woven sigil]

I call it Pina punishment

[true scroll]

one might call it correction

[proven dove]

You burnt them trying to upscore right ? Not to clear

[untold tusk]

I upgraded Maki until she is UE30
Now do I wait until next month or is better to buy more elephs

[mint sapphire]

yes

[mint sapphire]

do you need maki right now? if not, then no, don't buy outside TA shop

[untold tusk]

I meant if I buy more elephs from TA coins shop or is better to pause for now until the next month

[midnight river]

Don't you need books/cds?

did you buy out what you needed?

[feral jetty]

i wish satsuki was able to crit more than 5 times per restart

[midnight river]

Satsuki can crit?

[feral jetty]

apparently not

[astral fern]

Used 4 teams

Unless I manage to speedrun

Not happening

[midnight river]

20 min is enough time no?

5th team D.hina for like 2-4 million damage

[astral fern]

Used dina

[true scroll]

he already used all available teams

[astral fern]

Only 700k

[true scroll]

[astral fern]

Mashiro about 2-3M

Karin 13M

[midnight river]

700k?!?! what??

D.hina dies really fast in tor or something?

[astral fern]

She does negative dmg

[midnight river]

mine did 2.5 million for cleanup

[astral fern]

Dina is hopeless anyway

That's why I'd rather not use her

[midnight river]

its just extra little bit of damage

[astral fern]

My literal only chance is if I manage to pass with speedrun comp since I had decent crit with it

But very hard to manage p2 because sakurako and skanna keep separating from each other and I can only unfreeze 1 of them

[untold tusk]

What is the difference of UE50 and UE60 again was just a slight stat increase?

[astral fern]

I did have more dmg for time remaining though so if I manage that it's done

[midnight river]

+10% effectiveness for strikers
+0.5 cost for specals

[feral jetty]

this is like the one raid where i really want that GA sweep QoL to be added to TA

i dread daily reset whenever this raid is here

[midnight river]

Just do insane with me

[feral jetty]

i am doing insane

[astral fern]

Lol I alr did ins

Decently high there

Tor is just for the challenge

[midnight river]

I'm prob low insane but its good enough

[astral fern]

If I can't pass it I'll build my own satsuki

[true scroll]

no idols

[feral jetty]

i am low insane and i'm literally unable to go any higher

[midnight river]

Its just nice extra damage for most of the part

[feral jetty]

because i don't have idols

or uasuna

or any of that stupid shit

[astral fern]

And I'll just use 2 big teams to bs thru

Like Denos do lun

[midnight river]

i'm 27.487

Kind of crazy noneleft is still top of insane

[polar orbit]

no one wants to bald crits

[feral jetty]

your comfy average has a higher score than my maldy peak

[polar orbit]

although it didn't take me that long to get the run

[feral jetty]

this raid fucking sucks

[midnight river]

omg its Baldleft

Hows your torment mock?

[polar orbit]

phase 2 reposition sucks

[midnight river]

Do you not have Idol mine?

[polar orbit]

i'll reset for crits all day long, idc, but i hate it when my units refuse to walk

[polar orbit]

can't 1pan with that

[midnight river]

@untold tusk why did you delete your message?

[midnight river]

your doing torment? its not wanpan???

[lilac solar]

UE60 koharu can't come fast enough

[polar orbit]

idol mine can't

[opaque dagger]

none literally can 2 team Tor, but I guess getting to sit on top of Ins is cool

[echo oar]

being the top ins score is actually so sweet

[opaque dagger]

Also, my clear is now pretty solid, is pretty much guaranteed within 30-40 mins

[echo oar]

sick, even

[opaque dagger]

The only problem is that I try to bald for highrolls and almost burn ticket kekw

[odd geyser]

okay fine that's a f2p clear 🤝

[opaque dagger]

Anyone can say "ye I did Tor", but only a few can ever say "ye I was top Ins clear"

[polar orbit]

hopefully i'll get this run

[midnight river]

Wait so it’s possible to wanpan torment?

[polar orbit]

with skanna yeah

[feral jetty]

even less can say "ye i was top tor clear"

now get malding, none

[midnight river]

maybe I should attempt once and give up cuz I have the students

[odd geyser]

[opaque dagger]

Luna is almost 1 team anyways

[midnight river]

I don’t believe it

[ripe mason]

pretty close to me dang

[opaque dagger]

Best known time is 4:18

[midnight river]

Insane already takes me the whole time how

[old rose]

skill issue

[midnight river]

[odd geyser]

we're using basically the same teams

[echo oar]

do you use imine for ins

[midnight river]

Yes

[echo oar]

there you have it

[midnight river]

Life is easy with Imine

[atomic arrow]

life is easy

[odd geyser]

I didn't trust the Mari Kok team although I honestly probably should've went back to it

[celest shard]

iori got no chilll

[midnight river]

Guh

[atomic arrow]

hobo

[midnight river]

Yes?

[atomic arrow]

wazzup 🤙

[midnight river]

Wazzup 🗿 🤙

https://tenor.com/view/wazappp-gif-16533663536355085528

[polar orbit]

man...

[ashen turret]

bodythrow spam go brrrrrrr

[polar orbit]

nah we reset

[ashen turret]

oh wait ur on mock

[odd geyser]

we f2p are here to stay

[ashen turret]

[opaque dagger]

none plays like a sane person 95% of the time, and then you see the 5% like right now, where she chooses to die on the strangest hills ever

[polar orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/marvelous-sunday-marvelous-sunday-time-uma-musume-dance-gif-6135809317811671578

[midnight river]

Maldleft is maldleft

[polar orbit]

comfyleft

baldleft is my evil twin

[odd geyser]

me comfyjin

[opaque dagger]

Cool, so baldleft taking over this week?

[polar orbit]

yes

[opaque dagger]

Hello baldleft, love the ride or die enthusiasm

[polar orbit]

[atomic arrow]

easy clean-up

[opaque dagger]

Can you get rid of comfyleft? Let's bald every raid together

[polar orbit]

wtffff

comfyleft is so cool

[atomic arrow]

🛌

(tor)

[torn thorn]

😟

whelyeccs… wher Luna…

[atomic arrow]

luna isn't real

all I see is 100 pyros

[torn thorn]

Pyuuka haver……

[atomic arrow]

she spooked

[opaque dagger]

Imagine not having every Yuuka

I'm no real Seminar - Koyuki simp if I don't have all Yuukas

[midnight river]

I thought about asking how hard is the torment wanpan clear is, but i saw geb's picture and got ptsd of my 4 hour learning experience of doing geb before IWAK

[torn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066654550448148501/1474838757688475740/image.png?ex=699b4e21&is=6999fca1&hm=8161464c7ef98e756afb35980fb8adaf80e2bef32272c929c68364740154e37c&

[atomic arrow]

I prefer my rots home-cooked 🧑‍🍳

[odd geyser]

UE60 SAtsuko comfy

[midnight river]

Can’t wait for Atsuko to be next fes student trust

[odd geyser]

Atsuko is the arius princess so I can see it

[grand lagoon]

summer gehenna next limited banner trust

[shrewd mirage]

who is next banner

[polar orbit]

maid twins + ny kayoko

[summer dew]

atsuko (armed)
because arius squad certainly aren't in their base forms

[shrewd mirage]

is kayoko still human rights now

[atomic arrow]

[polar orbit]

i think so

[atomic arrow]

if you start after kei?

[round kayak]

No kei = nykayoko human rights

but

No kei = bricc

[crude sable]

Every kayoko is basic malder human rights

[untold tusk]

How much eligma is required to get from 4* to UE30?

[atomic arrow]

400

[untold tusk]

Is worth at all or?

[atomic arrow]

depends™

[round kayak]

who?

[sonic crater]

wow 3 digit already

[round kayak]

can someone boot out that chair already

[sonic crater]

surely

1st run geb was so fcked

[untold tusk]

I am considering UE30 Kei I find she does not survive easily sometimes

[sonic crater]

imagine someone r1 got taken

by a cheater

[grand lagoon]

[sonic crater]

had to get mass reported and still removed late

small indie company

[old rose]

max her pin and level before anything

[round kayak]

are you not bringing any sustain units like healers or shielders

[untold tusk]

I understand then
I forget does Kei have shoes as slot 1 gear or is hat?

[round kayak]

That's a shoe

[old rose]

shoes

you can check

[round kayak]

Always max gears, skills, and lvls before having the notion of using eligma

but do mind the costs aye

[untold tusk]

I perhaps could run 5 healers for better survivability on Kei is that better?

[round kayak]

You cant be serious gea

Where is the DPS then

[old rose]

where is the raid mechanic

[untold tusk]

I am just thinking since I wanted to go for f70 Blue Set attempts later today

[old rose]

f70 should die in one minute

[mint sapphire]

well that was easy

[untold tusk]

The students are not surviving f70 and the orb also did not break

[round kayak]

Man would love to do Luna Geburah but I'm broke asfq

[polar orbit]

are you trill trying to do luna kkg

[sonic crater]

4m off owelp

[fleet narwhal]

but thats not luna

[round kayak]

Hell yeah, that's why I'm saving up to 600m

[sonic crater]

yeah it is what it is lol

not in mood to upscore

owelp i never been a speedrunner anyway

[polar orbit]

satsuki just did 3 million

[round kayak]

Hopefully before next geburah rerun we get satsuki premium smh

[atomic arrow]

d.hina as special

[untold tusk]

I UE60 MKArisu or not?
I want to bring as dps on Insane / Torment Hiero

[brave totem]

wao highest ins

[atomic arrow]

[round kayak]

Watafak baldasfqleft

[eternal thorn]

proright

[old rose]

where is tor clear tho

[polar orbit]

oh hey that me

[old rose]

[odd geyser]

we f2p are here to slacc

[polar orbit]

best so far is 13m off

[round kayak]

UE 40 wappi and UE 50 iwak....

[old rose]

u cant clean that or u just dont want to

[round kayak]

[polar orbit]

i will get my 1pan

[mint sapphire]

what is an MKArisu

[round kayak]

Damm even I don't burn my tix like that

[sonic crater]

mecha aris

or battle aris

or armed aris

[mint sapphire]

but why MK

[sonic crater]

[mint sapphire]

mortal kombat arisu

[fleet narwhal]

sasgua kaiju

[sonic crater]

what if she will be one...

[odd geyser]

the k is added to disambiguate Maid Aris

[sonic crater]

nuh uh f2p...

[mint sapphire]

McAris

[fleet narwhal]

51.8 is whel, me could never

[sonic crater]

mcdonald worker aris

[round kayak]

One mcaris pls

[sonic crater]

got it

[untold tusk]

MKArisu because at first I wanted to abbreviate as MArisu though that gets too confusing

[sonic crater]

aris part timer incoming

[odd geyser]

52m is f2p

ngl, I think I sacc'd Satsuki crit or something

[fleet narwhal]

nuh uh, 52 is GIGA whel

[mint sapphire]

53058 is f2p

[odd geyser]

joe has the real whale score don't shoot me

[sonic crater]

i rpolly could 51.9 or 52m if hibiki actually can do damage

[fleet narwhal]

53 is leviathan tier

[round kayak]

Ssg denosaur, me only measly tor clearer....

[polar orbit]

me comfy insane clearer

[round kayak]

bald*

[odd geyser]

[sonic crater]

ah right i need to stock up resource for magical girl...

[fleet narwhal]

ue40 sfoob 🧎‍♂️‍➡️

[sonic crater]

why is trini9ty so greedy is2g

[odd geyser]

trinity always needs more mats

[sonic crater]

ikr

aaaaa

[fleet narwhal]

we boutta switch from trinity disaster to millennium disaster

[true shale]

Can someone please tell me what the kill threshold is for this team on Luna?

[round kayak]

Trinity drained my ass too much these past months

[sonic crater]

holy my millenium state is ass

[sonic crater]

30m?

can be higher iirc

[polar orbit]

52 wtf

[fleet narwhal]

dw, monthlies will save you

[sonic crater]

i would say 35m

[sonic crater]

surely....

[untold tusk]

I am going to attempt Torment next month wonder how that will went

[round kayak]

I think I have less than 30 purple millennium tn lmao

[odd geyser]

I had 15m left. maybe I threw but I didn't wanna mald too long with karin

[fleet narwhal]

arisu, kei, himari, uzqueen and toki....

its gonna be rough

[true shale]

Really? I was expecting a number closer to 20M

[sonic crater]

nah it's way way way higher

[round kayak]

It's higher for luna

[fleet narwhal]

its 100% more than 20m

[odd geyser]

I remember the hanae variant felt maldy with 20m left first luna

[true shale]

Okay, well how much if I don’t have time for crit resets?

[fleet narwhal]

i assure you

25m is easy with it

[round kayak]

Tor is 20m

[sonic crater]

i can do hanae variant of those that reach

30m

it's rot dependant

yumi sent serina variant back then but i think uh....

coha gimme a moment

lemme dig what some raider sent me for serina comp

[true shale]

Rotation is locked, I assume, so what’s the starting skill cycle?

[true shale]

Do you remember how much time was left on the clock too?

[sonic crater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKP6NTp03JA&start=676

something similar

honestly i think it can be 11/12 copied

given the cost is quite similar

[odd geyser]

maybe like 20minutes left

[true shale]

Hmm… I feel like Kotori rotations end up quite different in practice… should I swap Kotori + Maki into this team??

[true shale]

I meant, out of 4 minutes after doing 15M dmg

[sonic crater]

it should be fine no? at most u have that 1 extra cost no?

[true shale]

I feel that the shield is what makes it different.

Ice break timings are stricter without that shield.

[sonic crater]

oh

nah it's stricter on the hw i sent cuz maki and kotori

mimori and azusa can take a lot more punishment

if u see the hw which i sent, ssaki took a lot less damage to the point shield won't be an issue

what i remember from these hw is that

during final 1 min u want the reposer to die

and this has been the case since hanae hw

[proven dove]

Or waris

[true shale]

Remind me please, that’s the ATG under the last ice, yeah?

Or is it later?

[sonic crater]

yeah

well

atg doesnt kill it

it's the missile after

serina hw is just a lot easier to execute

but the main idea is the same as hanae hw

[true shale]

Maybe I can swap the support structure - I have Kotori + Maki on the Hibiki team atm

[sonic crater]

are u thinking of doing 40m rot with serina?

ur boshi team is on p1 i assume?

[true shale]

Probably not, I just need to know how far I can get away with on the main team.

[sonic crater]

oh then u are fine

unless ur crit rate is like super bad 30m is kind of a given

i mean 35m

[true shale]

I put in on P2 right before this. I’ll move it to P1 if I can refine the super team to reach the kill threshold.

[mint sapphire]

i may have upscored by a lot but i'm upset i couldn't pause in time to go in with a meme team

[true shale]

(Doesn’t look like it will happen though)

[sonic crater]

with serina u shouldnt be having survivalbility issue as u can tap heater asap

all they need iirc is one heal tick

then they live

[true shale]

Do I need max gear for that?

[sonic crater]

i doubt for azusa and ssaki

mimori on the other hand

i havent tried it on my own as when i get to that point i already t10 her (for yesod)

[true shale]

Hmm… well I could upgrade, I’m just poor and would prefer not to.

Thanks for the info too

[sonic crater]

t10

t9

if im being real i really doubt it would matter

with serina, survivalbility is a lot more consistent as u dont need strict timing for heater

[proven dove]

Did you follow the video you posted here previously ?

[true shale]

Is having the cheap rotation from Mimori vs Kotori more valuable for U.Karin or Hibiki?

[sonic crater]

uhhh is ur akane/skanna with hibiki?

[true shale]

Yeah, S.Kanna

And S.Atsuko

[sonic crater]

this one?

or the tyuuka variant with maki instead?

[true shale]

Pretty much, I have them with Maki and B.Hoshino instead.

[sonic crater]

keep using kotori on maki then. rather than cost it's more of the red armor need the shield

whereas azusa, ssaki and mimori doesnt need it as long as u break ice asap

i still need to do specific rot for hibiki one

but for my serina team i can do random bullshit

[true shale]

Btw, may I run a strategic proposal by you please?

[sonic crater]

i did this variant and had to kill mimori at the final 1 min

[sonic crater]

uhhh sure i can give it a go

[true shale]

It was suggested that I take this Hibiki team into P1 and then borrow G.Pina instead of Satsuki, then try to go directly into the U.Karin team after.

[mint sapphire]

yes

[true shale]

Does that seem sound?

[mint sapphire]

thankfully the guy wrote the TL in the video

so i was able to copy it easily

[sonic crater]

dont u need like 120m hp or lower before using gpina team?

also the hibiki team variant would be different no?

[proven dove]

Alright thanks, I'll check it later when I go home, and may try it if I get a ue60 gpina borrow.

[true shale]

In this case G.Pina won’t kill, so it’s not as low.

[odd geyser]

more than 3 minutes with everyone frozen/dead

[true shale]

I think it was 140M start or Sth

[mint sapphire]

good luck! maybe ask infamy

[sonic crater]

oh the slower variant hmmmm

[proven dove]

Thank you I found ahmed with 49 friends, I'll wait a bit otherwise I'll ask infamy (he got 50 for now)

[true shale]

I have the options to go either way, of course, but which strategy sounds smarter/easier to put together?

[sonic crater]

honestly idk if i have any say on this as even on the raider community the gpina comp that isnt kill is quite rare

https://youtu.be/4TsWfPKygSg?si=qJEMXOpd6CiUotaj

u have isaku right?

[mint sapphire]

btw in case it wasn't obvious - I was the Kanoe right above you

[true shale]

Yeah, I have most of the supports. Only really missing S.Miyako, I feel.

Very few dps though.

[sonic crater]

and self cook?

[true shale]

I’ve self-cooked the setup so far.

[proven dove]

Yeah I knew :3 when I saw kanoe at first I thought maybe ouppzy upscored me but when I didn't find you above I knew it was you x)

[true shale]

So I can prepare a Satsuki start without Hibiki team, or a G.Pina start with P1 Hibiki team.

It’s just a question of which is faster to learn, or more stable on ticket.

Well, as context

I’m a pretty fast learner, but weak at execution. So I’d prefer the approach which is more consistent on ticket, if you know which one that is?

[sonic crater]

well satsuki is known to be maldy but not like gpina is any better

[true shale]

Which has the reset points earlier in the TL?

Satsuki TL has this really late groggy that she has to hit or you reset, doesn’t she?

[sonic crater]

rough comparison

[sonic crater]

uhhh no?

the tl i used doesnt really bother geb groggy timing

[sonic crater]

oh also satsuki has 8% less stab

and 6% less crit

[true shale]

I see so G.Pina has a tighter dmg spread.

Way tighter, actually

[sonic crater]

yeah

[true shale]

Half as many hits though

Hmm… I’m seeing merit to the proposal, tbh…

Is a G.Pina rotation significantly different from a Satsuki rotation, on a conceptual level?

[sonic crater]

no

[true shale]

[sonic crater]

my rot with satsuki

always use her at max cost

even when i use it at 5 cost, it's because imari cost down

[torn thorn]

Prob slightly different timings cuz the way their self buff works is different

satsuki is basic iirc, gpina is based on other ex use

[true shale]

So I shouldn’t have any trouble learning the G.Pina rotation, compared to so far with Satsuki then?

[sonic crater]

for rough rotation yeah

technically gpina rot is a lot eaiser?

[true shale]

I’d just be starting from scratch learning G.Pina

Though I’m not that far into learning the Satsuki TL either

[sonic crater]

the issue with satsuki tl mostly just if u overcrit

and enter p2 way earlier

ofc there are ways to mitigate it but yeah i forgot

the threshold

[true shale]

Yeah, and I’m thinking that G.Pina starting at lower HP means there’s less time for extreme variance before the phase transition.

[sonic crater]

oh btw keep in mind the gpina damage i sent is when boss already super damn low

[fleet narwhal]

i think the treshhold on luna is... 85m ?

[true shale]

Do you know why that is?

[sonic crater]

satsuki timing is timer based

[fleet narwhal]

sorry, p2 treshhold is 105 actually iirc

[true shale]

Off the basic skill?

[sonic crater]

yeah

whereas tracking gpina will be a lot easier

[true shale]

I see

[snow portal]

Lmao why did they give her that

[true shale]

I do remember a few tight sections concerning avoiding interrupting that basic

[true shale]

Synergises with Geburah because of the accelerated cost, tbh

[sonic crater]

since u are self cooking idt i can help u with that as im more of hw guy so basically that basic timing kind of out of the window for me

[true shale]

Well, the main team I’m going to copy homework. It’s the best value-for-time approach, for me.

[snow portal]

Does it really when the buff from the heater is already so strong you don't die even at 3* on Tor and below

[true shale]

Oh, that? Idk. I’d guess that it’s for when we only get one heal tick between breaking ice and ATG hitting.

In fact, I probably need to put that skill specifically on U.Asuna, now that I think about it.

[sonic crater]

oh

sec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqMlTUvK7PA

ur hibiki team can do 30m was it?

[summer dew]

coincidence? i think not

[true shale]

Uh, it only did ~26M last time I tested it, but I’d assume there’s room for improvement.

That looks interesting.

Can I reach 142M without using Hibiki team, I wonder?

[sonic crater]

what is the hibiki variant u were planning?

keep in mind p1 heal check is a lot less punishing so maybe u can push more damage?

[true shale]

Yeah

[true shale]

Other than Hibiki + S.Atsuko, I’m pretty flexible. I’d be comfortable shuffling the support structure around as needed to optimise damage.

[untold tusk]

Hibiki base version is defense ignore or am I confusing students?

[true shale]

I’d want good def- with Hibiki, though, of course.

Hibiki and U.Karin are my best dps

Then I have Mashiro, Nagisa, M.Yuzu, D.Hina, Minori, S.Miyu and Aru…

I know there’s a clear here, it’s just about putting it together in the time I have

[sonic crater]

u can still do monday run right?

[true shale]

Confusing students

[true shale]

I can, but I’m working. I don’t have much time to play, etc.

To mock and experiment, that is.

[west perch]

wao the pain of not using references

[sonic crater]

ic

the hibiki team, that did 30m+ damage on p1 mostly eiother require serina or sfubuki

[west perch]

I'll be happy I made my own clear

[true shale]

I have other teams for P1 too. I can definitely get to 140M if I invest Hibiki.

[sonic crater]

do u have uhh

actually nvm idk if that 10m dhina is a good idea

a lot more extra investment

[true shale]

It just becomes a question of if I am confident in executing the G.Pina team to go all the way to ~25M

[sonic crater]

wait

gpina alone?

or with mashiro and etc?

[true shale]

It’s G.Pina alone

It’s like 140M setup -> G.Pina super team -> U.Karin to kill

[sonic crater]

yeah even with specific rot, reaching 25m looks rough

[true shale]

It’s possible, my concern is only that idk how difficult it is to learn and then execute.

As a player, one of my big weaknesses is a tendency to choke on ticket and underperform.

[untold tusk]

Which students buff yellow effective?

[sonic crater]

i wouldnt say it is speedrun dififculity but it isnt one of those rot where u can rearrange stuff and still reaching the desired damage

[west perch]

makoto

[past spruce]

On ex skill?

[sonic crater]

seia basic, sui ex and basic, makoto passive

[past spruce]

Or all?

There's Xerina ex

[west perch]

momoi buffs midori's yellow eff

[true shale]

Not rearranging anything in the main team for sure. I know that it’s good, so I want to copy it. I’m only worried that I won’t be able (in 1 hour).

[untold tusk]

I would like a yellow effective buffer on raids

[west perch]

you have bhimari already

[untold tusk]

So which options are good?

[old rose]

bhimari

[past spruce]

Bikemari

[true shale]

Trying to copy Satsuki teams has its own set of issues too, though.

Hmm…

The analysis paralysis, lol

[past spruce]

Coha doesn't have icebreakers that ignore barrier?

[true shale]

None

[sonic crater]

he'

[past spruce]

Hmm

[sonic crater]

is doing lun also

even if he has one

they most likely need to be ue

[past spruce]

I think he is in a better spot than me

[true shale]

Dps roster here (+S.Shiroko)

[past spruce]

[sonic crater]

he can do it it just

picking his poison

[past spruce]

I would say Satsuki tbh

[sonic crater]

ik that diaju did gpina on 1st rerun geb but he did the fast variant

[odd geyser]

[summer dew]

wher cmaki

[true shale]

Do you think Satsuki is more consistent to perform on ticket than G.Pina?

[odd geyser]

if I had cmaki, i'd actually raise her

[true shale]

Oh, Airu did it, it turns out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5o-5ztgBkA&feature=youtu.be

[summer dew]

ah ofc

[past spruce]

Not really

But her dmg is pretty high

If you want to deal with less rng then you go for G.Pina

[summer dew]

deno are you obsessed with me

for trexing

out of context

[atomic arrow]

[summer dew]

you stinky kaiju

[fleet narwhal]

I trex people randomly and you always react funny whenever I do that

[true scroll]

ssg denosaur

[odd geyser]

#💬gameplay-discussion message

[sonic crater]

u saw the note airu put at comment right?

[true shale]

I said this earlier - So it’s best that I building around my personal limitations too.

[true shale]

Yep

[summer dew]

indeed he's just bullying us

[fleet narwhal]

I dont know whst to tell you dajin... but i didnt even react there

It was at 5am for me so I was asleep...

[odd geyser]

i was just existing...

[fleet narwhal]

Fixed it now tho

[true shale]

You’re confident that U.Karin can do 30M without too many resets?

[sonic crater]

is ur ukarin ue 40 or 30?

[true shale]

UE30 right now, but it’s close to UE40 - I think I’d be okay with that upgrade.

[past spruce]

UE30 is maldy

[summer dew]

how do i untilt myself from critstabmald overdose

[novel timber]

the moment when theres no healer and special dps left

[sonic crater]

getting to 30m with serina should be not that hard

[past spruce]

It's like full crit on last ex shot every time iirc

[sonic crater]

i rawdog mine and got 30m

without specific rot

[summer dew]

playing some hoyoslop and noticed im critmalding here too ffs

[past spruce]

[sonic crater]

u know what coha i think go for it

[past spruce]

You can't escape it

[sonic crater]

i think gpina used a lot less cuz finding her hw is harder

[jovial scarab]

Poor kokona but it's an improvement to 1 team now

[past spruce]

I used the Hanae version for mine

[true shale]

Yeah, I’m coming around to it too.

[past spruce]

For U.Karin comp

[true shale]

Thanks for talking it through with me

[sonic crater]

i see what u are going for and i dont blame u going that path

[true shale]

And to the advice from everybody too

[fleet narwhal]

Anyway, time for this bnuuy to sleep. Gn kaijus.

[past spruce]

Goodnight Denosaur

[true shale]

Sadly for me, Lunatic doesn’t always let me do what I want, haha

[sonic crater]

after seeing airu's vid i see what u are going for

[true shale]

Maybe if I have time after practicing the G.Pina team, I can go back to see if a P1 prep without Hibiki team

If I could setup the G.Pina team whilst still having Hibiki in reserve for P2, I think I’d be safe to go for a ticket.

[sonic crater]

personally as long as u reach 30m then i think ukarin can kill it

worst case cut down 2-4m with dhina

[true shale]

Okay, I trust your judgement

[past spruce]

Wait, coha has satsuki and g.pina?

I just watched the hw

[sonic crater]

Nah

[past spruce]

[sonic crater]

He is picking his poison rn

[true shale]

No, I’m just going to borrow one or the other on the same team.

There’s no other option, right? Those are my only two borrow choices?

[past spruce]

This was my teams

The last one is just Hanae U.Karin comp

You do have more leeway because you have u.asuna

[sonic crater]

For comfy run yeah either of those

Unless u have one of them build and missing someone like imari uasuna or isaku

[past spruce]

Yeah

[true shale]

Not that I can imitate it, but I’m curious how far the G.Pina team made it in your case?

[past spruce]

It's 105m

In my run

[true shale]

105M -> 30M?

[past spruce]

But it can reach 116m

[past spruce]

No

It's 133m-24m

[true shale]

I see. That’s cool.

[true shale]

You didn’t use Serina?

[past spruce]

No

[true shale]

Was that a tactical choice?

[past spruce]

I overcapped on Cost

[true shale]

Hmm…

[past spruce]

Also Hanae crit dmg sub

[true shale]

Does it actually do better than the Serina variant?

[past spruce]

I don't know

It feels better

[true shale]

Did you already learn the Hanae variant on a previous season?

[past spruce]

I have a note for the team cycle

From last geb

[true shale]

I see. I understand.

Well, got to go soon.

Thanks for all of your advice, everybody!

[past spruce]

Goodbye

[glossy lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXudSvgC3fM

Geburah Insane 1 team clear I achieved last night without limited students. Couldn't find a team/guide for senseis without idols or the other limited meta students (prob exists out there somewhere), so I cooked up my own. Phase 2 was a little bit sloppy since it was my first clear, but was able to improve to 27,530,623 today

[dim frigate]

Strongest clubmate

[midnight river]

[astral fern]

Higher than me with full exodia

Why am I bricked

[tropic anchor]

It's only in the mind

[lost shell]

using skanna is almost equivalent to u.asuna but congrats

[tropic anchor]

Still impressive

[glossy lynx]

ty. i started playing basically when uasuna first debuted, but i didn't have the extra pyro to pull her and was only able to get seia with the free pulls. fortunately was spooked by skanna during that same fes who i would later learn is kinda goated

[untold tusk]

My cafe perhaps a bit too generic I wonder should I place more furniture?

[desert sphinx]

use preset

[pallid inlet]

Think it’s fine

[polar orbit]

I just throw random interactable ones everywhere lel

[true shale]

This channel is gameplay players with terrible taste

Try #☕cafe-showcase

[untold tusk]

I want the cafe to feel more serene I just feel I do not have enough furniture to decorate the best

[polar orbit]

Craft

[untold tusk]

I think I know I could start by removing the PV screens and raid statues I am certain the cafe will have better atmosphere if I do that

[fiery kiln]

too bricc account

not having all

[west perch]

dw that would've been a 3/5 hit for me

but also why is azusa missing

[polar orbit]

Too bricc, slacking farmables

[fiery kiln]

farmable until got pull

slacc eleph until ue60(total 720 eleph)

[polar orbit]

You realize she's not in the general pool right...

You'll never spook her

[fiery kiln]

ik

just waiting

[polar orbit]

Brick

[west perch]

shop farmables aren't worth waiting for

[fiery kiln]

i just slacc glb acc

[untold tusk]

Now that I have 4* Koharu I keep buying the elephs or do I switch to buying a different student elephs with the purple raid coins instead?

[polar orbit]

buy koharu every month

spend extra on azusa

[west perch]

koharu till ue30 at minimum

[untold tusk]

Koharu until UE40 or which?

[west perch]

because her next thresholds don't really matter for you

not ue40

her ue40 is atk

[untold tusk]

I thought the raid shop guide says buy until UE40 I am not remembering

Koharu attack not good I am guessing?

[crude sable]

UE40 doesnt even effect koharu healing outside of weapon upgrades yeah?

[crude sable]

No, not very good at all compared to other units

[west perch]

Correct

[untold tusk]

What is Maki UE40?
Is more boost to passive skill?

[desert sphinx]

ASPD

[crude sable]

Yeah, enh+, iirc enh6+ is the sweetspot (or enh7+, cant rember)

[untold tusk]

Maki passive skill is attack speed for allies?

[desert sphinx]

self

[crude sable]

Self

[fresh edge]

Self

[untold tusk]

Is that good?
I do not think Maki is dps she is more support

[crude sable]

More for the def down than dps, but she can be used as cope dps technically

[pure vessel]

mfs are so spoiled for top tier dps nowadays they don't even see maki as dps

[crude sable]

Well... mika and uneru exist...

[untold tusk]

And also SHiyori

[crude sable]

I mean, would you borrow ue60 maki or ue60 uneru/ mika?

Shiyori is good for p1 boat iirc

[pure vessel]

mfs don't remember the og binah tor days

double maki

and we had mika back then

[desert sphinx]

usualy mika for indoor and outdoor, neru for urban

[untold tusk]

I would borrow UE60 Maki before ever seriously considering borrow UE60 Mika

[crude sable]

Back when you had to walk up hill, in the snow, with blistering heat, just to chisel notes in your stone tablets?

[pure vessel]

humbug

damn new senseis don't know the meaning of hard work anymore

all they know is borrow they fes dps, eat hot chip and lie

[west perch]

well

[frail glen]

that crit rng

[west perch]

look at luna binah and tell them ue60 maki is impt then

[desert sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/588740237065191424.webp?size=64

[west perch]

by the time they get to do luna boat they likely won't need to maki it either

[untold tusk]

I borrowed Mika for mock attempts of Binah the other day and she was too high cost the rotations were not comfort at all

[crude sable]

"Dont know hard work" as i crit mald for ext geb

[pure vessel]

needing to crit mald ext geb is a skill issue

[desert sphinx]

I mean the standard for veterans are torment+ while newbie are struggle between insane torment

[crude sable]

You're missing seia and nyfuuka though yeah?

[true scroll]

grass was greener and devs were less greedy type shit

[crude sable]

Its a roster issue tbh lol

[pure vessel]

no it's a skill issue

ext

[desert sphinx]

being creative is hard

[pure vessel]

ins I would be like ok idollet ins geb can be hard

ext you're just bad

[snow portal]

Have you forgotten the bottleneck of pre-nerf Goz where you absolutely needed T.Yuuka to not have a complete not cash money time

[crude sable]

?? To get high score ext without any of the meta units?

[untold tusk]

I am skipping Seia and NYFuuka I guess I am never going to be using Mika as dps

[crude sable]

Ext is easy, high score ext is mald without idols/ uasuna

[desert sphinx]

anti-meta cult detected

[true scroll]

i didn't cuz i properly experienced pre fixed goz exactly 1 time and that was my first torment attempt

(outdoor ga yellow goz)

[snow portal]

Gacha game gonna gacha. It's built into the DNA

[true scroll]

and that was like

over a year ago

at this point

that's what you would call an infestation of meta

but is it a bad thing?

[snow portal]

You're asking the gacha game to not make more meta?

[pure vessel]

aaris is going to obliterate goz now isnt she

[untold tusk]

I also skipped Mika on recollection banner and I am skipping SSeia as well

Strong students, weak students............
That is meta
I want to win with my favourite students even if that means crit malding with SHiyori

[snow portal]

Absolutely

[pure vessel]

exterminatus

spraying the cat

[true scroll]

like a 2pan or something

[crude sable]

Someone did the calcs and aaris is pretty ridiculous for goz lol

[pure vessel]

aaris is pretty ridiculous period

[true scroll]

maybe even bald 1pan with balding crits through 300 crit res

[untold tusk]

I UE50 MKArisu I am very ready for the Goz raid rerun

[true scroll]

i woulder why ayuzu has crit res down on her basic

[crude sable]

I gotta check the new units kit one of these days, I know ex but other skills I didnt even look at tbh lol

[untold tusk]

I would love to say I will get Seia in 10 with GA ticket though knowing myself I would get in 20-60 is not worth the extra rolls for I
So is good if I get Seia in 10 though for I I can care less about that is a lower priority for I since I plan to rolling in the next rerun

[summer dew]

[round kayak]

[untold tusk]

Seialess or SSeialess is better decision?
I could adjust the plans I wrote slightly perhaps

[crude sable]

Do you have kisaki or plan to pull her before sseia?

[untold tusk]

I spooked Kisaki on my first banner so yes I have already

[round kayak]

do you even have a single cost reduction student

[crude sable]

Then imo og seia is the better pick

[untold tusk]

Idol Mari and Rio count do they not?

[crude sable]

... no

[summer dew]

you should try to get your hands on aru dress though, iirc your only crit dmg buffer is ako?

[round kayak]

they are but its only -1

[odd geyser]

[untold tusk]

They reduce the cost though how they are not cost reduction students?

[crude sable]

They arent target cost reduction, i.e. nyfuuka, seia, ui

[round kayak]

I mean 50% cost reduction units like nyfuuka, UI, and ofc seia

[odd geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028418387480674414/1472995859087233318/aaris_pvp.mp4?ex=699b314b&is=6999dfcb&hm=48e17770cbb07c71d88413793a443fec2400e4b6675970169a4309a410d7af99&

[untold tusk]

I have no cost halving students I am waiting to attempt getting Seia with only GA ticket next month

[pure vessel]

in their case their cost discount is more of an additional utility part of their kit rather than the main course

most people generally are talking about ui/seia/nyfuuka/ayuzu type cost halving units when they say cost reduction

[past spruce]

S.Mika on pvp

[untold tusk]

NYFuuka is rerunning anytime soon or?

[past spruce]

She should be

[summer dew]

she is due yeah

[snow portal]

Can't deny she's solid blue AA with no weakness currently

[past spruce]

Set says hi

[odd geyser]

[past spruce]

[untold tusk]

I perhaps throw GA ticket on NYFuuka instead though is Seia better or?
I always forget these things

[snow portal]

Set doesn't do green damage. But besides that we're talking about PvP anyways

[round kayak]

wao got a mine furniture, didnt even know this existed

[past spruce]

Mika will probably do some dmg to her

In her ex

[desert sphinx]

make it

[odd geyser]

Shanako is annoying enough to make me run aaris only rarely

[snow portal]

That's not a weakness
Not to mention one form only does neutral while the other is resisted

[pastel mortar]

This team barely cleared p2 on wakaboat torment. How worse will it be with akomari instead?

[summer dew]

they do different things.
at ex5, seia halves cost for 2 uses plus generates extra cost for 15sec after using her ex, for 3 cost
at ex5, nyfuuka halves cost for single use plus gives small buff for crit dmg for 35 sec, for 2 cost

[round kayak]

where pjnoa

[west perch]

very. Why run that anyway when pnoa's more reliable?

[past spruce]

Pretty sure they are both neutral

[west perch]

you can even run sseia on pnoa

[past spruce]

Mika

[round kayak]

why did you borrow uneru in that team comp

[past spruce]

If you mean s.mika then yeah

[untold tusk]

So which of Seia and NYFuuka is better to roll?

[round kayak]

its more suited for pjnoa

[summer dew]

seia is more versatile, ny.fuuka eats special slot which is very very valuable at the moment

[west perch]

uneru borrow is only conditionally faster than pnoa

if you're still doing traditional AA teams with maki and og neru, you're better off borrowing pnoa

otherwise you run a team like this and vroom vroom p2

[round kayak]

wao snagi

[snow portal]

[past spruce]

UE60 Specials

[crude sable]

Basic human rights

[past spruce]

I thought you meant b.aris vs mika

Which are both neutral dmg to each other

[snow portal]

The original reply was to a clip of A.Aris in PvP

[crude sable]

Too vague, current pyrox count? Pakeji buyer?

[past spruce]

I see

[pastel mortar]

Honestly I was going for ins, but maybe I can do tor with a team like this. Maybe have sseia instead of fubuki. I'm just not sure how much the difference would be between uneru and pnoa. This will be my first boat

[untold tusk]

I am at currently 53K and buy monthlies and half monthlies

[past spruce]

It's 4x hp next pvp season right?

[odd geyser]

there's binah tls unironically relying on this now

[past spruce]

The 53m comps

[odd geyser]

UE60 really did turn me casual

[untold tusk]

I thought 7 students and 5 banners which was my original plan felt realistic so am uncertain if rolling Seia will affect the plan since is 6 banners and 8 students in that scenario

[past spruce]

I'm semi competitive rn

[odd geyser]

im basically gold rn

[summer dew]

8 is asking for a lot but not impossible. but you are saying 8 more which is concerning
but i know you prefer to rely on luck so uhh idk, you do you i guess

[round kayak]

removing fubuki might be problematic since looking at that lineup it relies on both her and hifumi for the cc

[pure vessel]

just get lucky

[untold tusk]

Is only 8 if adding Seia if no Seia then is 7 more which I think is more realistic

[west perch]

Fubuki is necessary. She fulfills mechanics.
if you have kokona she is much preferred here than imari

[summer dew]

[pure vessel]

imari hot

[fiery kiln]

jp bina gold cutoff 25.95m

[summer dew]

binaa-kun is so cooked

[crude sable]

Binah gettin put in the bin for sure lol

[fiery kiln]

39.4m plat rn

[untold tusk]

Binah is a worm robot / machine?

[summer dew]

a big snek

[untold tusk]

Is difficult to tell what they are
Is a snek?

[pure vessel]

binanah

[untold tusk]

Earlier today I noticed Binah have a halo was a detail I never noticed before

[pastel mortar]

Unless spook no that's not an option. Also can msuzumi or miyu be of help for p2? I've seen meru used sometimes too but I don't have her.

[pure vessel]

all deca prophets have halos

[past spruce]

They have a will

So yeah