#💬gameplay-discussion
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wtf do you need aoe buffs for
im assuming you use a single dps for an aoe def down raid
Ok, but thing is, Xerina grants Piercing Effectiveness
I think it's Kei rn
niya and kasumi both 33% ish
One of the points that you’re missing tho is it’s another avenue for dmg increases, def down and atk buff stack where as 2 atk buffs ex won’t
its better to just bring a buffer if ur not stacking def downs
As I said, the utility of an AoE def- is that it benefits the entire team.
Which is less effective if you use it on only 1 dps
But aoe buffs is weaker than single st buffs
I see. This is where we have the misunderstanding, I think.
And her yellow effectiveness is kinda weak at the start
So... Replace Seia with Nonomi? I have Tsurugi on the team already
So you might aswell run another yellow aoe dps
Instead of Xerina
Like Iori or Momoi
you need to stack that buff like 10+ times before it starts to matter
Because multi-dps teams are some thing I always factor in, since they have circumstantial advantages over solo-dps teams.
She isn't S.Ui levels of buff
A solo-dps team can’t split its dps rotation against timing constraints like a multi-dps team can.
That’s not as important in Kurokage, but it’s very relevant in Perorodzilla.
Hello chat
Oh, this is a luna discussion, I was confused
Hello
I've only seen multiple dps team in goz
How are you all doing?
Wakaboat p2
the problem was aoe def down which defo isnt similar to aoe buffs
Yeah I was trying to figure out how multi-dps would work in most tor and coming up blank lol
I understand now, yeah. If you assume only one dps, then an ST buffer does fulfil the same practical role as an AoE debuffer, even on a multi-target raid.
wakamo kuroko
ye
since buffers stay the same cost but aoe def down is much more expensive than our st def down units (and worse numbers)
Ye, like 2 raids 
It’s the same vein as comparing ST def- to AoE buffers on an ST raid with a multi-dps team.
But ur not actually using aoe buffs tho
You bring neru and pjnoa just to stack hits
you see our hyperbuffers only buff 1 unit
so thats where the issue lies

you mean the bkaz miyu team 
the pnoa team is mostly a hyperbuffer team around pnoa
like if kikyou was 2-3 cost shed prolly be better than hikari in krkg tor
but hikari almost enabled 40.1mil
with stronger def down
but thats too much to ask for aoe lol
aoe def down is expensive cus it hits multiple units
but our aoe raids are balanced the same as st raids
I probably missed context in the fast chat, but it is important to note that our ST vs AoE support patterns are being prescribed to us by the raid limitations, not the other way around.
Multi-dps teams do appear in very narrow clears, because they become the best option that remains to us.
so directly comparing, our def downs for st raids are much cheaper and higher def downs
yeah that makes sense
For an ST raid, we’d compare ST def down to AoE buffs, unless also explicitly stating that we are using solo dps.
if we were to have a 2 cost aoe akane, nobody would use the other aoe def downs
ive never said abt aoe buffs at all
It’s the strategically sound option
Well, the relationship between AoE def- and ST buffs is the same as the relationship between AoE buffs and ST def-
yea its that simple
but sadly
aoe def downs are designed that way since the start
ur still running 1 dps for both so why aoe buffs 
I seriously. Can't. Do. Ruins I.
How can I even finish it when my students keep dying even with a Tsubaki
What? Do I need Shun, S. Shiroko, and any student with fast recovery?
Are we still talking about this? Idk if I missed something.
Check the clear vids on yt
yes its like yukari dps in krkg
yeah you've got the username for that kinda question
Oh, I challenged that assertion beforehand. We normally do as you say whenever we can, but we aren’t always given the choice.
Sometimes, multi-dps is just better.
is it worth bringing kikyou solo def down
5 cost for what a 2-3 cost buffer can do
since almost no other unit can stack that aoe def down
I don't think it's worth tbh
but she also has the 40% purple buff going for her tho
No no, what I’m saying is that there are situations where the 2 cost buffer cannot do the same things that the 5-cost debuffer achieves.
yes
chare vs kikyou
that happens when the 5 cost def down stacks with other def downs
I mean, just look at the high end clears and you can see what works better, this is just kinda talking in circles atp
or use schale
and the dmg increase becomes more than buffs
but no literally almost no one stacks with ex aoe def down
More than that. It’s true in general for cases where multi-dps is desirable.
other than shanako mari smth
def down stacking is an interesting design
unlike normal buffs stacking, def down stacking is significantly stronger when u stack more sources
bro i dont get how stacking def downs has to do with multiple dps

in binah you run skanna maki smth with solo dps
im finding smth similar with aoe def down raids
consider chare vs kikyou on a momiji ichika renge krkg team with oshiggy
It’s because debuffs to enemies impacts the output of all strikers.
Ah
oh you mean in the case where you bring multiple dps
you know the meta so far has always been hyper buffing
i wonder if there will come a time where aoe buffs and rotating between two dps would be stronger
Same way that a buff to one striker impacts all enemies they hit, no matter how many.
then yea prolly def down is better
indeed. and funny thing about geb fight is if you cap the def down and use satsuki, you are attacking 0 def on that fight 
Yeah we have set and yesod
though our aoe buff units arent that bad either
What I’m trying to point out is that these situations already exist.
or kisaki vs niya in samw scenario
Albeit less so in Kurokage than Perorodzilla.
It's a good point
yea hmm why isnt niya better in krkg
cuz 2 pan w shanako
I felt like those are pretty niche
It would be interesting to see something like a dual dps set up for binah, hod etc etc
Basically burst
cuz 1 pan with shanako
but yea kisaki literally doubles dps
Those need good design
It's just there's no reason to use them rn when u do more with hyperbuffers
cant like rio niya instead of rio kisaki i meant
If u look at the cdmg buffers like dako and xerina, they have much higher cost
Does anyone know if we get the magical girls next banner or nah?
probably can
For less buff value
dual dps is hard when you cant reliably buff both of them and taking 2 dps deprives you of space that you'd use for more supports. in other words - incompatible
We get ritsu next banner
It’s because we’ve purposely arranged our teams striker-side to only have one dps, precisely so that we can utilise ST buffers instead of the expensive AoE debuffers.
but yea kisaki still faster cus double dmg is crazy
I have a GA ticket that's about to expire
niya same cost as kisaki
nvm niya 4 kisaki 3
No double banner shenanigans?
Maybe
This is our preferred circumstance in every AoE scenario.
We don't know for sure yet
Ok cool
Even if they were, we’d expect the AoE utility to come at a cost of potency, or something like that.
They accelerate unpredictably
i mean if s.seia weren't blue armor niya would see more use as alternative
yeah for now they are pretty much unachieveable and will def get out dps by the fast rotating hyperbuff set up
I am just curious if that could be the future power creep angle they take
Special dps feels boring if I am going to be honest
Maybe something like "ex resistance if from a single ex source" or something to shake up the current burst dps meta
but she is blue
need 5:3 gamemode
so no can do
the whole point is unless ur stacking def downs the dmg increase is still less than just bringing a buffer
I'm thinking you can bring max 3 teams
It’s just that this statement was a little too generic, because we don’t always get to go solo-dps + ST buffs as we’d like.
And have 3 borrows
when aoe def downs hardly stack and more expensive and lower numbers
need powercrept GL aa unit
Need someone who shoots gl like hoshi shoot her sg
well the dps part isnt the focus on that statement so wutever ig
For this to be accurate, you must clarify that it’s only true on a solo-dps or carry-dps team.
Damage Dealt debuff 95% for 1 min after DPS does dmg to boss (and until someone else gets it)
I find it a little too reductive, is all.
on peroro my nutsuki skoharu chise team has no buffers or def downs
It feels like saying that AoE dps is always better/worse than ST dps, etc.
only oshig cdmg sub
ok no thats literally another thing

maybe that was why..
Is that just an aside, or are you asking why?
its a standard team
It's not a bad idea, but multiple dps is pretty difficult to design
cus no one wants to bring aoe def down
That team doesn’t mean that AoE def down isn’t worth it.
even when multiple dps
I think multiple dps is gonna be the next meta tho but not in the near future
As for how well that'll go, idk
(It’s most likely actually because they don’t own a desirable AoE debuffer, tbh, but regardless…)
the point was how bad the aoe def down situation is
I explained it earlier, but it might have gotten lost. There are circumstances where having multi-dps is preferable.
Nexon really has to cook to make it fun to have multiple dps
we are talking about double the investment for a proper team unless they allow you to borrow two units etc.
Sry I was doing stuff when that happened
The current challenge ex
We generally try to create a situation where we can utilise a single dps, but hard raids can force our hand.
anyways
T.S. raid when
It's also bc current raids don't favor multiple dps
you mean current buffers
The simplest idea is that with a solo dps, we get rate-limited on our output against time.
only a 10 pull??? bruh
before akomari its mostly multiple dps
I guess every little bit counts
2000 ep though...
like...
Oh huh
That's literally 1200 pyros...
Happy new years chat
With a solo-dps, each use of the EX skill is separated from each other by 4 cards.
Happy new years
happy new year to you too
asia still living in 2025 ?
Hell yeah playa
mutsuki azusa misaki in 1 hiero team

new years was 1.5month ago
cmon bruh
lunar calendar

This inhibits our ability to divide our burst damage between time-separated windows.
its the nod krai calendar
no
we got gifts already means happy new year
its a bucket
dear god
is what i would say if i was a greedy pig
LMFAO
there is more
Hi chat gameplay discussion chat i just back
but you are
exactly
:koharurun
no...

Lmfao that letter rules, mentioning the Koyuki incident
i mean it's kinda worse since you don't get to refresh with it
you know they could have made a website instead an image like that wont load for most people
lmaoo they addressed the koyuki incident

Bruh
yoo im in the pic
My perspective is that we are trying to use our highest-potency examples of everything which we are allowed to.
i think people struggle more with the websites than images on social media
Yeah
stramge its the oposite for me
also we had kotama back then so multiple dps was good
Lovely weather in my country -11 geburah irl 
Maybe single dps was the better design imo
Nihahaha
So we’d want our strongest buffs (which, per potency, are ST) + strongest debuffs (also ST), and we’d want to concentrate them on the highest base statline (hence also just one dps)
Imagine ur a noob trying to do raid
okay but why though
Ergo Binah, lol
I have a steam deck i think touchscreen is actually more uesful
One dps + one target is the dream.
You'd be far behind in a multi dps meta bc you won't have your dps raised as much as the vets
practically, giving devs experience to do this stuff if they ever get moved to a project that needs it
gl playing raids on controller
that is honestly pretty realistic lmao
It’s definitely easier to build for!
I approve of it.
It'd also make banners less appealing to pull since u have to build the dps in addition to just getting the dps
Playing ba with controllers. Masochists wanting to up their luna challenge
luna peroro, controller, ex animation on, 1x speed
Building dps is so much more expensive than buffers
peroro lun with controller + ex animations on
And building for solo-dps naturally converts into multiple-dps capability over time with power creep
most new players will have ue40+ stsurugi, sakurako, xserina and cutaha
Yeah
In hindsight this was the better direction
wait what why
what happened
was it you @frail glen


It’s also one of the reasons why raids like Chesed and Goz are so tough on new players: They are forced to bring two dps at least.
oh man, i just had a dumb idea but byuzu and qtomoe conflict subs
Ohhh
I think this is as high as I get for a while
nunny
But why qtomoe with byuzu tho
nunny
And not kisaki with byuzu
well brio and toki take sseia and kisaki presumably
cuz its for red
Oh u mean luna red hiero
Maybe qtomoe goes on someone else
Byuzu going on aaris is most sensible ig
Or smika
I'd leave qtomoe on baris so smika can go with byuzu
Oh true
Smika byuzu is 1 more cost down vs aaris
And smika needs less shielding than aaris
Smika resist armor while aaris neutral
More fund lesgo
Guys my friend plays for year and already is able to clear lunatic 
Is it geb
Yes
Ssg
did he swipe 
Yeah he said he spent like 11k$ in a year 
Makes sense
He buys weekly packs like i knee everytime i vc him
I can clear kurokage and hovercraft for now
i play since fest 1 and have not been able to do anything
I cleared hod too

Good ending...?
Im f2p 
How tf
Ah
That's just 3x refresh
Pretty sure it's 3x 4x
i was capped on friday during 2nd week of satsuko farm
Xp packs gives u huge value ngl
He also sent me this
The whale friend
How much refreshes u need to do to pay100 pyro
No like next x3 cost 60
I think he does 12x
11k a year is alot
i know a dude who played for 1.5 year certified whel crypto person he hasnt spent 4k
yeah probably higher than diaju
I know he earns like 3.3k$ month so yh 


I earn only half that 💔
when it my turn
True
I'd rather be broke ingame than irl
skip does x20?
Yes
he did
wtf

3,120 pyrox a day btw

@mighty heart
3 more months
3x is 1 pyrox for 4 ap
yea and x20 is 1.1
but you idol
Wtf
you made 6 figures a month
Who tf is peav
i have 3x min daily for maybe 500d now
$9,252 a year spent to get 20x refresh everyday
if u make a bad decision then u have to pay pyrox to catch up and fix it
starting late is bad decision
I only know big people
Oh it's Danibuki


It is
Damn I need b100 someday
not too late to start
I don't even have a b50
Also i have this guy he is cool
My highest is b41
i see many people give up when its literaly a time gate thing
b100 is so easy though if u just ruin ur acc for it
me casual sorry
Not that much tho
Eligma crafting?
wat so bad
And the rest of ur mats yeah ig
wait
ngl I think I might B100 koyuki
And pyrox
do b100 ppl used mats for gifts?
Yes
not just raid gifts and jfd stuff?
random pyrox gifts, eligma crafting, ga to fragments, t4 wolfseggs fodder, etc
It's the only way
you click flower 24/7

waiting to see if she gets pajama or bunny alt though
Yes
i didnt ruined mine tho. If you carefully plan it out.

yeah thats where its hard
I even use some lb books
Pls teach me sensei
yeah it came down to paintaince people gave up so easy
a 2 year acc is capable of b100 if scorched earth
I'm on my starting journey to hopefully get someone to b100 since a couple months ago 
I see
i'd rather just multiple b50
i gave up bondingmy snagisa
yuuka?
After luna hiero imma just chill and farm bond
Im noob with bonds
but I thought never giving up is your ninja way

I think hiero will be my only luna

By the time NA gets luna cutoff the game probably went eos
Still no Erika playable
||binah luna looks simple tho who knows||
Sorry for playing the game
but it is nexon
what if BA is like the next dungeon fighter
or maple
I played 3 Nexon games
Cs1.6 zombies,combat arms and Blue archive
Idk much about nexon tbh
oh hey combat arms
I heard their other games had shady practices
Yeah
Yeah I'm old
they already had lightning in a bottle all they have to do is not tremendously fk up and have a few exciting bits now and then
I only heard the rumors of older nexon games because of my older cousins
Idk the list of their f up history 😔
if they ever stop hiring the fellas doing the ost tho the game implodes
MapleStory
Those dudes are insane
tbf every gaming company out there has a pretty long list of f up story
having made this i already have a pretty good picture of potential 6pan+
You doing 6pan?
no idea
we have no idea how strong luna hiero is in the first place 
she's an aoe atk buff 
you made this?
ssg

Hiero lunatic is easy I would think
2 cost 51% atk buff for 25s is pretty good
I leveled SHoshino EX skill to 5 earlier is that bricks?
Tsukuyo if Heiro was smaller
no

Luckiest I'll ever v3
as long as you don't ue40 it's fine
/j btw
naronajoy
It does not work the same as an Omegalul


that's not the joke
Do lunatic on luna new year 🤔
smh smh
Babu spotted /s
Do every luna
I never know what is a brick I just upgrade students I like to skill EX 5 such as Idol Mari and SHoshino
ngl idk if I'll run 2nd lunakage
too bad lunar new year is tomorrow when raid is not open
it's supposed to be easy but I'll be off on a hiking trip that whole week I think
ah the feeling of grassing
Putting too much resources on the "meta" that you don't have for the core units/gear pieces

so I'll first have to find a place with cell data and run it on mobile
Or the actual gacha term
im literally new years veritas fr fr
gonna go back to my village
Brick means you don't have the unit that will break your day
while doing fuken gebruh
I trust there's a must pull millennium banner soon for me on jp
Like missing JK Asuna and/or Idol Wappi now your Gebruh run is hell
gonna take an artist crash course on cave paintings
I have IWappi and not UAsuna is my Geburah Insane run fine?
you can even do insane on aa single uasuna
holy cope
aaris is skip
Aether is so built
:^)
I think you're fine
I have Idol Mari as my most upgraded student
red armors for hiero is so bald
I'm not as built as Aether so im kinda worried
Dunno if I should pull on dmichi 
2x normals just in time for geb
aether is better than me despite playing after


Yeah
i did 260 on idol banner with no rate up so i just ue40 her out of my rage
i just had a very long casual time

so it bricked me like heck
😟
My pyroxs are barely enough nowadays
every important banner dries my pyroxs
not even a spare

hey I don't have some of those chars either 
You mean 💳 ?
f2pbtw
imari uoh
?
?
I gotta lock in for hiero
Wait what
Anyways
Satsuki is still top dps for special-based team, should go with both u.asuna, i.wappi and a healer
Whelpeav
f2p
Is a fact
if i spent money i wouldn't be broke like this

we saw what u deleted
i still think red armours will survive
smh
no you didn't
must be the wind
hate hag
I think so too
Haghater
tmari team > hag

I didn't see what was deleted 
T.mari is actually comfy
I don't have her for healing transfer
people would leave her on 3* smh
she's so hot bros
?

sorry wrong server
100 kittens
debut tor hiero didn't even have these 4
Anyways red mist is coming tomorrow
trust me
i am f2p
i don't have smika's bp furniture
i don't have bp title
i don't buy any packs

except 10 AP
I guess I throw a GA ticket on Seia rerun banner that feels like the best place to spend since is only a month before GA ticket is expired yes?
free to play by the way
no money spent
Rerun not until 6 months later how do I roll Ritsu?
cute ritsu nendoroid
spook
Spook
guess I should dig up my geburah hw again
smh


Which students do you think will get alts as upcoming spring limited banner?
What big 3
trinity millennium gehenna
So some other school will get alts you think?
Guess that will be good
they're also starting to establish a pattern on welfare now
What pattern though?
it's been only on limiteds and fes for the past few
dude i saw your name many time before
did we met

I don't think we met 
so whichever school gets the limited slot likely has a welfare too
How do I get Aoba I would like the event to rerun
BA camper
She's welfare so you have to wait for rerun 
Which school you think will get limited slot?


i think dudes just everywhere atp
Bc i hate that server 
well, SRT hasn't had any new event since I basically started so I'm going with them.
has any of the malkuth animation leaked her boobies
used to
oh hey we're getting 2k permits
Other server is more fun than that server
🗣️ ba general

She doesn't have nipple 
bye gpd
is that true
her sprite does
i see some peaks in her chesy
surely
15h till 2x norms 
gonna hoard from now
freaky gpd

is this ba-general v2 hour
yes
I'm almost done with shop too so I don't even have an amazing AP sink on 3rd week 
day 7 of not entering event
am i cooked aether

Tmr is geburah 
now you'd have to sacrifice hards or norms to do event 
sac hard ez
hmm right
do u think i can do tor
y/n?

yesn't
Why you can't do tor?
maybe the real
たとえ全てが虚しいことだとしても、それは今日最善を尽くさない理由にはならない。
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2nd debut i tried and got down to 65m

oh wow the official dev note mentioned the koyuki incident
There's this team
Probably not needed, just crit harder
If not, just throw a Nagisa team too
so true
なぜアイドル復刻前かつ難化して再来したのか・・・
自己満足用。成功テイクを雑切り取りしました。
誰かの参考になれば幸いです。
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nagisa aoba serina can last 4 mins 
excuse me

oh, you're fine
oh nice
you just have to invest in her more then
i was about to say 3* blue
try this
like t9 bag lv90 
no (t yet?) unfortunately
you had skanna?
maybe you can check souriki-border
I'm planning to do this but like
Team 2: Koharu, Azusa, Mimori, S.Azusa - Nagisa, Hibiki
Team 3: Shun, S.Kanna, Kanoe, B.Hoshi - S.Atsuko, U.Karin
I don't particularly think it makes that much difference if do that
wao should be easy self cook bruv
uh huh
first debut i don't even have hibiki bru
i pulles hibiki in archive to save a year of farming
Mashiro
Farmable
cuz i wss lazy
closest i got is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JhJf6phBGc
【追記2】少し簡易化しました 👉https://youtu.be/moV-5DMlBsg?si=gTt7y9Lco1E9itBK
【追記】マキの被ダメを抑えられる方法ありました。次回の動画でお伝えします
制服カリンは固有1です。1凸目はもうちょいダメージ出るはず……たぶん
ちなみに制服アスナ枠はアイ...
did
just throw extra team or crit harder i think
did they just call torment tomato
they've been doing that for a while iirc
also calling lunatic 🌙
Tormato
seems perfect
tomato
tormato
tormato
why not
ue60 iwak sounds like top 1 pvp type of ivnest
i'll learn from the 2nd team then
I have 8k pyroxene can i reach 36k before 5th anniversary?
ue40 fish was enough for icebreaker duty the first time around even in lun
i think its the same rot, just different crit
for tor?
can probably get like 50k+ by then if you don't waste your funny rocks tbh
if no acceleration there are 5 more months to go
so 12k*5 =60k
you should have around 68k by then
which is........almost 3 sparks!

isnt it closer to 4 months at this point
if no acceleration the fest should be on june 15th
wait
haha me silly ye it is 4 months


wtf
yes
What defense have you have found the most annoying this season?

me f2p
Not Mashpit, but Shun defenses
You say that but you leave aoba at 4*
Irredeemable
cuz i hate aober
ok deal is deal

oh nvm
dw my alt's aoba is 2*
:malk
This should do yeah?
Selector 
effective or annoying? because as far as annoying goes it's probably cascade's but that's entirely because it doesn't have a super consistent counter at the cost of being a low winrate def overall
as far as effective goes I found mine to be good just because nobody in this bracket has a saori and saori is the best counter to my def lol
Ye
cascade def is reisa iori hoshino kuroko saki and mine is marina kuroko shun hoshino nagisa btw
oh yea remember to claim im climbing now
Already claimed
these kaijus
Whelstark buying pvp tickets
Doesn’t he know it costs more to refresh than you earn
Also why is he a hare

What do you usually use against cascade? I’ve always included Iori and my most recently successful attack was an Iori shun gamble to kill both yellow tanks as fast as possible.
I usually just go around him unless he's in #1 lol
I used to hit him with iori kuroko hoshino tsurugi saki but wasn't quite satisfied with the winrate
im doing it for the flair atp 
good thing im out cold next season
been experimenting with tritank sayane comps but didnt have anything I wanted to settle on at the moment
but I just don't hit him that much because he donates atks a lot and sits at #2 instead of contesting #1
Have to counter them somehow
annoying
whels get thrown into warlord brackets ssg....

Ssg pvplord

How’s the win rate on that nagisa attack
It's been high so far
I do change the comp a bit depending on the enemy comp
I watch the battles

Tri tank isn't really recommended unless you know that the enemy comp only has 1 striker dps
Just ue50 every tank and tri tank win vs 80% of all comp
What a waste of eleph
Though I guess whales have tons to spare from all the extra pulls?
Im f2p tho



















