💬gameplay-discussion

[pure vessel]

the mission timer stops when set hp reaches 0

but I think buff timers keep going?

[simple igloo]

timer 0 if kuroko die will i lose

[copper crescent]

no bc ur team lives

[simple igloo]

team die

[copper crescent]

oh you'd still win

[feral jetty]

i think i saw someone lose because kuroko died during set's death animation actually

[simple igloo]

i heard sum gehenna seal talm abt sum kuroko kill set at 13 stack or u lose

[simple igloo]

to the guy being said

[odd geyser]

I posted 1

[copper crescent]

sry guys

[simple igloo]

affirm

[copper crescent]

I just put the link so I can find it by searching my own chat history

[simple igloo]

[wicked vine]

that is such a bad

comparison

you are a chud

[simple ravine]

happened to me #💬gameplay-discussion message

[agile pollen]

What is this bs

[summer dew]

clear harder

only thing i can think of is that you somehow managed to sweep exactly at reset time

[agile pollen]

But reset time still in 38mins

[simple igloo]

its not even reset

[copper crescent]

were u in the middle of a story/fight

[summer dew]

no i mean yesterday

[copper crescent]

when yesterday reset happened

[agile pollen]

I was not

[copper crescent]

wtf

[torn thorn]

Bricczord

[summer dew]

then its a weird one

[wicked vine]

u used ur hards right in between 11:59pm and 12:00am reset

[simple igloo]

[wicked vine]

had it happen before

[agile pollen]

Smh nexon, making me having less eleph for hinata

[west perch]

that's crazy

[torn thorn]

Specifically midnight?

[wicked vine]

idk i used an example time

[torn thorn]

In ur local timezone?

[west perch]

but also your fault for not doing it earlier

[wicked vine]

local itd be 11:00am

[summer dew]

i had similar shit happen once but i did it exactly at reset time so it was obvious to me why it happened

[west perch]

I've never done any of my dailies exactly on reset before

[agile pollen]

All i know is i tried to sweep 9 mins ago, said "session on going" then that happened

[west perch]

cuz it's prone to errors like this

[agile pollen]

Well it is what it is

Just glad it didn't take my AP with it

[pure vessel]

just spent 90m credits ue60ing everyone that I had enough elephs for

65 ue60s

I'm in so much debt

I four starred them but didn't actually raise their level to ue60

https://i.imgur.com/nkJPep5.jpeg

[obsidian heath]

they made level 60 essentially impossible to get for people without monthlies

[agile pollen]

Cuz who farm scrimmage without monthly am i right

[pure vessel]

I'm fine on the upgrade mats I just don't have the credits lmao

https://i.imgur.com/bVnVSUE.png

[obsidian heath]

10k doesn't look that safe when 50->60 uses like 500 or something

[agile pollen]

But mashpit, ur whel. Just swipe harder

[obsidian heath]

nvm it's just a bit over 300 (blue parts)
and 4M creds lmao

[hollow saddle]

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[hollow saddle]

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[sudden cypress]

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[serene cape]

youinuse was banned. | No reason given.

[atomic arrow]

🛌

[covert spoke]

jodexyz help @

[wicked vine]

@JOEABC AAA

[atomic forge]

[odd geyser]

[copper crescent]

yuzu good?

[odd geyser]

I've been testing with her the past 2 weeks

She can wiggle herself into a spot where the enemy hanako can't hit her

[copper crescent]

how are u finding out these things...

[odd geyser]

but her basic is a natural heat seaking missile into Hanako

she can also tank Shun

[odd geyser]

tbf, she's the same range as SHanako

[copper crescent]

I see

[odd geyser]

I've seen way too many SHanako vs SHanako matches to know that can happen

[snow portal]

https://tenor.com/view/vesuvius-baby-baby-ash-gif-2339947883921805569

[odd geyser]

i looked away

his eimi died somehow

cant out heal me if your dps and tanks just die!

[copper crescent]

gotta be hibiki

[odd geyser]

ohno

[wanton pilot]

Geburah ready

[covert spoke]

dont forget

[atomic arrow]

[snow portal]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-sensei-gif-11902604194440307830

[simple ravine]

[snow portal]

The L2D roll of the day is brought to you by the letter E for Eimi!

[summer dew]

[snow portal]

2/5 bnnuy, and oji-san is working the shop

[summer dew]

:nezo:

[atomic arrow]

5/5

[snow portal]

Lesson eleph

[opaque dagger]

Alright, 30 more

EXCUSE ME

[obsidian heath]

why isn't flower like this ...

[opaque dagger]

There is a problem

I already own this

3 interactive furniture crafted, 2 of them dupes, istg

Well, at least now I can farm B20 Wakamo fr

[snow portal]

https://tenor.com/view/defaultcube-blender-cube-ice-cube-gif-7393616961235227827

[snow portal]

Damnit scammed

[simple ravine]

oh my god finally got a purple

[covert spoke]

draw 4ers arent allowed to complain about rates

[simple ravine]

i will draw all 4 and complain

[covert spoke]

die!

[covert spoke]

fugg now i gotta draw 4 purple

[snow portal]

The color I choose

Is blue

[covert spoke]

clearly pointing at green

[snow portal]

Oh yeah time to duel

Yeeeeah baby

[obsidian heath]

when I roll eri first, I don't shuffle, coping for x4 eri

[snow portal]

Hmmmm

[obsidian heath]

x4 purple would also be cool I guess

[snow portal]

5mil creds or 1 STN?

Well

Not like I'll have anything else to spend AP on this week

Might as well buy the whole shop

[copper crescent]

Yeah

[west perch]

[copper crescent]

Wao

[snow portal]

Oh

I just remembered Fuyu says "Sasuga Sensei"

I gotta turn that into a reaction video

[worthy charm]

so many miyo emotes, yet fuyu gets nothing smh....

[atomic arrow]

[last ermine]

Miyo supremacy

[sly ice]

That cursed goz pfp is frying me

[worthy charm]

[sly ice]

Goz has such a great theme tune

Maybe my favourite raid boss theme, or at least top 3

[worthy charm]

too bad they neutered his p2

[crude sable]

Nah, that camera angle needed to go

[worthy charm]

the camera change was good

overcorrecting the positioning problem was not

[crude sable]

You mean the clone rng or the positioning in general?

[obsidian heath]

lun would have been unplayable without the change

[worthy charm]

i mean that if you just sit in front of the real goz you are immune to hats essentially

and dont have to do anything

except do dmg

[old rose]

tor and below he should still teleport randomly; right always is super boring

kinda defeats the purpose of his whole gimmick

[crude sable]

Ah, I kinda see what you mean

[obsidian heath]

the rng was always stupid

[worthy charm]

the p2 rn is just do your dmg rotation and sometimes shield

[obsidian heath]

you just feel like it's boring on tor because tor is too easy

[crude sable]

Hat rng would kinda make sense now, but idk, I like easier goz

[old rose]

well I feel like his whole identity is "which is the real one" but tor and below you can just always click right and it's not interesting at all

[obsidian heath]

previously you always clicked left

because it had better odds

and if the first spawn wasnt left you restarted

just useless restarts all the time

[old rose]

i mean the intent of the improved visual clarity was to allow you to more easily react to whichever one was real

at least thats what I would assume is the intent

[worthy charm]

whats the point of improved clarity if you can just ignore it altoghether

and just do the same thing every time

[old rose]

yea i mean you can just always repo the same direction and reset

or you could follow the boss mechanics and react

like it's the same things with p1 trains

[obsidian heath]

you don't ignore it last minute
on lun at least

[old rose]

you can repo the same side every time

or you could react to which side it is

[sturdy scarab]

Honestly goz was ok when it was outdoors

[worthy charm]

goz has a fixed teleport schedule for most of the fight now

[old rose]

exactly

which is completely uninteresting

what is the point of the two summoned goz

what is the point of increased visual clarity

[obsidian heath]

rng glazers should just go play roulette

[sturdy scarab]

Hinata made it so that if you followed the mechanics and ended up on the other side of the map you could still dps

Since her aas didn't matter

[old rose]

it's not a bad form of rng tho?

[worthy charm]

all they had to do is disable the case of left goz right hat and the opposite

[sturdy scarab]

Yeah that would be fine

[old rose]

you can clear absolutely fine by reacting to which one is real and repoing properly

[opaque dagger]

I mean, coin is still below the real Goz

That was honestly the only real change needed

[old rose]

• visual clarity

[obsidian heath]

goz p2 rng was the worst form of rng
pray for things to go your way or restart

[opaque dagger]

Surely repoing left or right doesn't change things much, if at all, no?

[old rose]

but you don't need to? with just the hat change, you could just follow the real goz and it's fine

if goz is left repo left, if goz is right repo right

[opaque dagger]

The entire reason old Goz sucked was because of the coin, not because of where real Goz is

[old rose]

there's no difference at all?

[sturdy scarab]

Left coin with right goz or vice versa was pretty ass if you were using anyone but hinata

[obsidian heath]

yenfish complained about the hat change too

[obsidian heath]

.

[opaque dagger]

Ok left coin right Goz is bs

[old rose]

that one is kinda

[opaque dagger]

You literally have no way of salvaging that

It's a ded run

[old rose]

i agree left coin right goz and right coin left goz is sorta a forced reset

[sturdy scarab]

You could with the corner strat

It's really annoying to do

But it's playable

[old rose]

thats still just ignoring boss mechanics tho

[opaque dagger]

And if you have to do that, you might as well not have the mechanic

[sturdy scarab]

That's still doing the mechanic if you're forced to react to it

It's not great

[worthy charm]

removing the mechanic is not fun

just tone it down

to where it doesnt ruin runs

[opaque dagger]

You would probably still reset just to save cost on repo, for faster runs

[old rose]

yea thats only for malders tho

malders will complain about rng because they can't pre-repo the train in p1, pre-repo the goz in p2, and pray the coin is on the right hat

[sturdy scarab]

Realistically you would have to do the corner tech at least once to clear

[old rose]

if you play the raid as it's intended the gimmick is not that bad

with just the coin change it's super easy in fact

[opaque dagger]

I mean, you can have your opinions on the hat, I don't have strong opinions on that whatsoever

[sturdy scarab]

Right coin is ridiculously rare

[opaque dagger]

But Goz positioning being not random made it really boring

[sturdy scarab]

Yeah just removing opposite goz coin would be a fine fix

[old rose]

like if people still hate right goz middle coin (or similar) you could just make the boss repo your team back in front of the real goz after hats

because we know it's something they can do, since they do it with tiph

[sturdy scarab]

You could just increase the amount of students with focus fire

[old rose]

or just apply ff to the boss temporarily after hats

[sturdy scarab]

Honestly i feel like the devs just forgot about ff

No one gets it anymore

[old rose]

sichika

[opaque dagger]

Ichika Swimsuit

[old rose]

[opaque dagger]

[sturdy scarab]

[opaque dagger]

And Yesod's P2 mechanic

[sturdy scarab]

More ff students pls nexon it's interesting

[ancient star]

Is it tho?...

[grim finch]

wat for

[torn thorn]

whelethe back in gpd

[lilac solar]

whelplay discussion

[sly ice]

Hello

[west perch]

shit mechanic

focus fire is a goz mechanic

[proven dove]

F99 done :3 thanks @loud knoll for the kotama I don't know if I can do f100 but will try these days

[loud knoll]

Good good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHFdPUWWS4 here is what seems to be easier than 4 strikers - 5 strikers

[proven dove]

Interesting

Many times during run I thought my team was gonna get wiped out, but hanako heals are so precise and efficient.

I could never do it by myself lool

[loud knoll]

I like never did Set without s.Eimi even since early seasons, have limited idea how to survive it without shields

[west perch]

heal interval timing

gotta time it

[loud knoll]

apparently modern teams with bnatsu/c.shiroko have it easier

[opaque dagger]

I just can't survive even with heals, too squishy

Need shields

[ripe mason]

What’s Cherino’s focus fire for

[loud knoll]

it auto-picks real Goz because higher attack

but timings are probably all off

[lilac solar]

I just realized I had enough TA coins to raise Hanako and Kotama

[frosty tusk]

is there really no one in na with a ue60 gpina

[echo oar]

whew...

[west perch]

yeah batsu cuts off the necessity of timing heal intervals almost entirely

[lilac solar]

my gpina 3*

[west perch]

so what's stopping you

mine is currently 3* as well

[frosty tusk]

mine is Not Recruited

[west perch]

you just need this much

[loud knoll]

Arona.icu shows 2 people with 50/50 friends
Probably more will post her when raid actually begins

[frosty tusk]

both chinese as well..

[west perch]

mine will be ue40, asia

[round kayak]

[sly ice]

Is that Miyu? In your profile pic I mean

[frosty tusk]

yup!

[lilac solar]

just made my Hanako competent

[sly ice]

Yooo! Adorable Miyu did you draw?

[frail glen]

32 CUBES?

[west perch]

[pallid inlet]

Just got 2 hibiki elephs today

Now I’m left with 7 before ue30

Also I saw nihaha appear in 4 different lesson areas today

[lost shell]

eh its fine with current ffs

not far from enough but 4 is what we need

[frail glen]

the voices in my head is telling me to ue40 hibiki then farm her to ue60

[gleaming wren]

hello gpd

[west perch]

it's more like the relevancy of ff as a mechanic is just near-redundant

[proven dove]

The voices in your head are actually the whispers of the devil.

[placid helm]

Take your pills

[west perch]

should be able to finish this before hiero comes too

ah that reminds me I need to make a full option list

[frail glen]

I can kinda see the logic behind it

that's the toughest part

[proven dove]

I stopped farming her after ue50, I'll go back to farming her after being finished with most of the others.

[loud knoll]

ue60 is energy rather than damage, like do you really need that?

[frail glen]

honestly I am just kinda getting demotivated since hard elephs farm feels soooooooooo slow

and you have to make room for welfare farms, which will slow it down further

[loud knoll]

there are ones with 3 or even 4 nodes if you want it faster

[frail glen]

but those aren't Hibiki

😭

[dusky sapphire]

My iroha needs it

[proven dove]

Don't aim for ue60 for now, it'd feel even farther away. Aim for ue50 then see whom you wanna farm again, other units or continue on her.

If you don't have ue50 aru iori, ue40 hifumi, ue50 hinata, ue50 izuna, I'd say they have a higher priority than getting your ue50 hibiki to ue60 :3

[round kayak]

Don't need to speed blitz the entire farm till UE 60, UE 30 hibiki works already for most cases

[frail glen]

it has been months

she is still not even 4 star for me yet

we should get magical before set ends right?

I think I ma do sets after getting m reisa

[old rose]

no

[frail glen]

i mean surely s hina will get merged righht?

and magical would be pushed a week early right?

[old rose]

no

we know cuz of the pvp season change

[old rose]

the scheduled maint means there's more than likely no acceleration in the near future

[echo oar]

full week of 2x comms with no distractions though

[pallid inlet]

stonkss

[ashen goblet]

mfw

Imari after geburah, yesodo, hiero AND krkg is a cruel joke.

[summer spire]

What boss is that

[pallid inlet]

Kurokage

[summer spire]

I can double team it 🚬

[pallid inlet]

Same

[loud knoll]

that team 2 just does little damage to compensate for no imari. And team 3 is exactly same as in 2 team composition, you probably won't need team 4 at all

[summer spire]

I'll do kasumi team I didn't got c.sona sena idk her name but yeah I don't have her

I'll drill him

[loud knoll]

it looks like they literally fired boshi one time on the picture, as its 0 healers

[ashen goblet]

I dont get why run kasumi here instead of kikyou, i have kik but no kasu

Is it some handgun positioning stuff

[loud knoll]

kikyou conflict with hikari prob

[ashen goblet]

Oh

I forgot

Momiji save me

[loud knoll]

Personally gonna throw this with some additional building and see what happens

[ashen goblet]

Yes

I was planning running same team 1

[summer spire]

How much helps ueing Hanko from 50 to 60

[ashen goblet]

But i wonder if atsuko and or kokona can survive long enough

[ashen goblet]

It seems to be more than I expected at least

Like 7k extra dps per ex

[summer spire]

Krkg is in 2 months?

[loud knoll]

there are some Atsukos in easy phase teams here and there

[summer spire]

I can technically get like 27 eligmas more

[west perch]

oh man we're fucked for hiero

[summer spire]

Why

[crimson wolf]

What are u guys prepping? Hiero ga?

[pallid inlet]

Which one

[crimson wolf]

Its 2 torment now so its yellow and blue

[west perch]

didn't know it was already this crowded

[crimson wolf]

Oh wait its shirokuro ga. Why are u prepping for hiero

Thats like 5 months away. Guess u cant be too early

[spice spoke]

what is separating fuyu and SKanna there?

[pallid inlet]

The yellow and blue hiero is free

[west perch]

armour

also this is luna prep

[crimson wolf]

So its ta

[west perch]

im just listing all our options in a nice spreadsheet

[pallid inlet]

Can’t say I’m surprised

[west perch]

probably wanna work on this side more though

don't think anyone's gonna use megu even as a cope option

[untold tusk]

UNeru good for Hiero GA?
I am wondering

[west perch]

yeah she was used last time as well

[loud knoll]

is it okay middle row being almost all red armors?

[west perch]

well they're the red farmables that should do good damage even if they need more babysitting

[ashen goblet]

Aaris must be broken as hell if shes up there

[west perch]

hence why shiroko serika aren't there

[untold tusk]

What is Hiero attack colour was blue?

[west perch]

red

[pallid inlet]

Red attack

[untold tusk]

I have to bring blue and purple armour students there then?

[west perch]

yellow is fine too

[pallid inlet]

More or less

[west perch]

he doesn't hit hard

unless it's the tank, in which case hiero hits really hard

[loud knoll]

bairi should be non-terrible option?

[west perch]

yeah see I knew I was missing some

[loud knoll]

or you probably bring band together if you have them

[pallid inlet]

That doesn’t sound so bad

[untold tusk]

Band is good for Hiero?

[pallid inlet]

They’re alright but not your first pick

[untold tusk]

I thought Band were only good in Set

[pallid inlet]

They can work elsewhere

But not the best

[loud knoll]

they work okay by themselves after you spend main supports on super teams

or something like that

[pallid inlet]

Ideally you’d use them after you’ve expended your super teams

[untold tusk]

I see so they are bodythrow?

[west perch]

nope

not even

[loud knoll]

natsu might actually be stolen by super team though

[pallid inlet]

Fr?

[west perch]

would they, though?

[obsidian heath]

unlikely when there's imari, kok and tmari

[wide basin]

Wtf

[west perch]

No coat

[hallow plank]

[true shale]

In cases like this, it’s often also that the 1 cost extra per Kikyou EX is too expensive to maintain the rotation.

[random lake]

do you guys think we'll ever see a single Purple Atk boss or maybe one day fill this up with at least 1 boss?

[wide basin]

No need

[summer dew]

i feel like purple atk could be relevant soon but not yet

[true shale]

Maintaining pace on Kurokage is very important, and this team is mostly “uptime”-type EX skills.

[untold tusk]

Does green resist purple or not remind I

[random lake]

yes

[true shale]

Cmiiw, but the most important skill to maintain, M.Reisa, is 30 seconds duration, so the EX skills of the total cycle need to be cheap enough to fit into 30 seconds of cost regen.

[strange ridge]

Green is effectively yellow armoe

[spice spoke]

so purple attack right now would be punishing DHina, UNeru, Seia?

[summer dew]

yes

[strange ridge]

And for now, green armor has no weakness

[ashen goblet]

Ic. Considering kikyou has cost reduction and the team that runs her has rio and csena, which isnt exactly cheaper, I thought it was a positioning stuff

[summer dew]

just looking at our purple and blue armor students

[spice spoke]

basically just anti-fes and pre-fes

[strange ridge]

Purple attack actually hurts a lot more than blue attack

For a raid boss

[summer dew]

purple atk / red def could work... but ppl would still force dhina in

[strange ridge]

Exactly

And it also hurts Toki and S. Nonomi.

[spice spoke]

purple atk / yellow def would be punishing too

hitting UNeru, Seia and SUi

[summer dew]

purple atk would hurt shosh too tho she still has a bag

[spice spoke]

and BHimari bike I guess

[strange ridge]

Depends

[summer dew]

now i wanna see this become reality

[strange ridge]

Even if its a 1.5x modifier, the fact that raid bosses will hit hard will make it hurt

[summer dew]

on the other hand, for red atk / yellow armor we have... uasuna, pjyuuka, idols, ssrt and then some old students

[untold tusk]

Do you think that GA Yesod will happen this year?

[strange ridge]

They should remodel the +200% purple buff into a rainbow buff un order to make it a GA

[untold tusk]

GA Geburah or GA Yesod happen first?

[strange ridge]

Yesod

[past spruce]

Definitely Yesod

Yesod Blue is gonna be ruined

[spice spoke]

if a purple atk red raid did push out DHina, what'd be the strat? special damage? or someone else

[past spruce]

B.Rio

[spice spoke]

toki and BRio both get hit too

BRio takes 50% Extra

[past spruce]

Oh, she's elastic?

[spice spoke]

no she's blue

[past spruce]

Ah

[strange ridge]

Aru

[past spruce]

Hmm

[strange ridge]

Azusa

[past spruce]

Theres Mutsuki

[strange ridge]

Mutsuki

[summer dew]

it would need to have a mechanic that punishes certain backline dps

[past spruce]

Akari

[summer dew]

with dresses

[strange ridge]

Purple attack effectively also pubishes blue

[strange ridge]

That will make the players mad

Giving an r/fuckyouinparticularcular is never good

[pliant bluff]

Satsuki

[summer dew]

yeah obviously but idk

[past spruce]

Hibiki too

[pliant bluff]

Hibiki

[past spruce]

G.Pina

[pliant bluff]

Nagisa

[past spruce]

S.Hinata

S.Misaki

[pliant bluff]

Mimori

[past spruce]

[strange ridge]

In any case, despite Geburah being designed to be the fuck you to D. Hina

It effectively gave a fuck you to all strikers

[summer dew]

yeah something less humiliating

[strange ridge]

So you can't exactly say Geb is discriminatory because he hates all strikers equally

[summer dew]

like idk, mobbing is ass, movement/repos is ass

id how you punish for bringing wrong color into raid without making it obvious?

having aoe attacks?

[strange ridge]

For starters, make it not specific

Don't start with a red raid boss

[unborn talon]

Disabling ex redraw will screw over DHina and Smika somewhat, no?

[strange ridge]

Especially if the red raid is a ST

[strange ridge]

It will just violate a core mechanic of a student, not happening

[past spruce]

Blue Armor and give the stage 99% ex dmg down

I wonder who is aimed at

[odd geyser]

I don't think I can go much faster than this

[strange ridge]

Waris

[summer dew]

hmm actually AA raid could be fun

[past spruce]

Yeah

[strange ridge]

I mean...

If my spoilers in story is rigjt

[summer dew]

something like set, but a bit more than micromanaging buff uptimes

[past spruce]

Well, Wakaboat p2 was mostly an AA raid

[strange ridge]

There is sometjing around the works

Subaru is out there

[past spruce]

B.Eimi's kit

[summer dew]

indeed..

[past spruce]

Then we got Miyo and Ritsu

[strange ridge]

Also fucks over Wakamo

[past spruce]

Also Fuyu buffs atk speed

On basic

[summer dew]

yeah nexon is cooking

[past spruce]

I think it's better to just give the boss 99% ex dmg resist tbh

[summer dew]

no way msuzumi exists just to buff in set and yesod

[past spruce]

Since people will just overbuff WAris

And ignore the debuff

[strange ridge]

Uh

When I said it effectively fucks over Waris

It completely fucks her up

all her attacks are treated as EX

[past spruce]

Yep

[summer dew]

but anyway we won't be seeing that this soon after aris fes

[torn thorn]

Waris

[summer dew]

they need to wait a bit first before they kill her in one raid

[woven sigil]

Don't forget that EX dmg resist applies AFTER dmg calculation

[past spruce]

So you have to do both then

[strange ridge]

99% resistance means you effectively deal 1%

[past spruce]

If you want to make sure no bs happens

99% ex dmg down debuff on your students and 99% ex dmg res to the boss

[frail glen]

ngl the whole converting damage to ex damage thing reminded me of torchwood

like

I can see it being a support's ability in the future

[past spruce]

Kuroko's AA turned into EX dmg

[spice spoke]

would that matter that much with the basic?

[past spruce]

Yes

[frail glen]

we are not beating blue set with this one

[past spruce]

Her enhanced basic already deals a lot

Without Kisaki

[strange ridge]

Speaking of torchwood, this reminds me of a game I played where the skill is summoning a punching bag that you can deal dmg to and it deals the same dmg to nearby enemies

[past spruce]

She would probably do 7m+

[strange ridge]

What if there is a student who does that?

[past spruce]

If Kisaki buff works with her

For 3 cost btw

[strange ridge]

And it with an AoE, if you hit both enemy and punching bag, the said enemy will receive double smg

[past spruce]

[strange ridge]

Yeah I don't think they'll make the punching bag

[frail glen]

isn't it kinda like

kanna's mechanic

[past spruce]

Isn't this more like the Perorominions?

[frail glen]

Ik the mechanic you are talking about in the other game, but i think it is sort of achieved with og kanna already

or miyu

[strange ridge]

Something like that but its also going to hurt nearby enemies

Not just one

[past spruce]

So just shiny Perorominions but more broken

[strange ridge]

Like you drop the dummy to 10 enemies

Attack the dummy with a ST EX, and all 10 enemies will receive the same dmg as the ST EX

[past spruce]

So it's like voodoo dolls ig?

[strange ridge]

Attack all targets with an AoE attack and all targets effectively receive double aoe dmg

[strange ridge]

Yes

[summer dew]

Hmmh
Over the past year or so, there's been only a handful of new urban students (for jp)

[frail glen]

[true shale]

The range will help too, you’re right about that also. 550 range doesn’t overlap eyes with adjacent 750 range. I believe that the primary reason will be the cheaper EX skill though.

[strange ridge]

Not like that

[pliant bluff]

Huh

[past spruce]

BA had this before on one of the JFD

[frail glen]

it is basically a damage chain mechanic

lmao

not that deep

[strange ridge]

But yeah

Chain dmg

[past spruce]

Sweepers exploding when killed

[strange ridge]

And to seal the deal

[frail glen]

I think it is posisble they implementit

snice we already have shared debuff mechanics on some raids and JFD

[strange ridge]

The dummy chain dmg also deals SE modifiers

[frail glen]

they just need to tweak the code a little and make it do damage instead of shared debuff

or both

[strange ridge]

So this means if the enemy is blue, they'll receive dummy dmg as blue dmg

[past spruce]

Basically Gregorious

[summer dew]

actually, take a look at next jfd global will get

[pliant bluff]

[strange ridge]

Pocket Greg

[past spruce]

Yep

[past spruce]

I would expect the unit to be a Wild Hunt student

If they will do that

[true shale]

Kikyou’s cost reduction is end-loaded, which is not always an issue, but it often does aggravate the timing pressures of a team that starts in P2.
Rio will alleviate the rotational problems on the C.Sena team a lot, though I’m gonna unhelpfully not elaborate much beyond saying that she gives us the ability to re-arrange the skill cycle when things are misaligned.

[past spruce]

Probably a new Occult Club member

Or just prob a Kanoe alt

[frail glen]

erika:

no way another character gets alt before erika release right?

right?

[past spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-yurizono-seia-seia-blue-archive-blue-archive-laugh-seia-laugh-gif-5692142050464290470

[strange ridge]

They already did...

[summer dew]

what's an erika

[frail glen]

anyway main volume for genhenna 2026 right?

right?

then erika will be the mc and gets added right?

[strange ridge]

:clueless:

[summer dew]

sir you have been inhaling too much of that copium

[frail glen]

IT IS NOT HARMFUL

[strange ridge]

But to go eith that copium, the only thing I can think of with a Gehenna main story is about Hinmom volcano

[frail glen]

I NEED IT

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

[arctic cape]

Hi

[strange ridge]

Otherwise

[arctic cape]

Im newbie

[summer dew]

hi newbie im hungry

[frail glen]

could be the previou student body president from Genhenna that was mentioned in the last abydos volume

[ashen goblet]

Yeah I remember kikyou and shanako being too close to each other, and with the new eye change that would mean it could hit shanako then kikyou, which hits them twice each.

However they can tank that in tor

[strange ridge]

IF they even touch that blight

[past spruce]

Bro leave some copium for us

I still need my Malkuth playable

[strange ridge]

Cause if I were a part of the BA team, I wouldn't

[frail glen]

If Malkuth becomes playable before Erika

I would kinda lose it

[summer dew]

but in all honesty, gehenna is due for their own volume. they've only been sidekicks so far in other volumes

and pretty important sidekicks

[copper crescent]

well gehenna could just be v3

[summer dew]

that would be kinda sad

[true shale]

Was this a Torment team? I didn’t see and assumed Luna.

[ashen goblet]

No, im prepping for luna

[past spruce]

That's a Lun team

[true shale]

Either way, everything I saw suggested was still correct, I just added an additional reason, which I think is actually the main one.

[ashen goblet]

I meant that in tor they dont die on 2 eyes.

[random lake]

whats the easiest luna

[past spruce]

S.Seia version p1

[past spruce]

I would say Hod

[true shale]

Yes, and in P2, the dash + black hole attack ends up suck in everybody together anyway, so it’s mostly a nice bonus rather than a core reason.

[past spruce]

But Kurokage would be next in line tbh

Post-Eye Nerf

[true shale]

The competition here is C.Hare + Kikyou, I imagined

[true shale]

I’m gonna say Hod, just because is funny to me when it’s Hod every single time.

[random lake]

i hate hod's towers

[true shale]

The rate of release is so slow that the earlier raids are getting powercrept before we’ve even seen the later ones, which obfuscates the comparison somewhat.

[random lake]

true

[past spruce]

If it's ranked by on release

Then it's Hod

[random lake]

when we get luna binah we'll be on 7th anni

[past spruce]

Uhhh

Binah Luna is next

In JP

[copper crescent]

we're having him in 2 days

[random lake]

wait what

[past spruce]

[copper crescent]

yeah they changed the order

[random lake]

[copper crescent]

broke the trend

[past spruce]

They reversed it

[random lake]

makes sense given the rework to binah they made recently in jp

[past spruce]

Chesed Lun should be next

Or a new raid

But new raids mostly release on the 3rd month or fest

[random lake]

instead of Cheese its gonna be Ham

[true shale]

If the pattern is broken, we’re probably back to scrutinising gacha banners in order to predict the next raid.

[random lake]

yes

or maybe they'll go for the normal boss order

we shall see what comes after binah

one can only hope they rework all diffs for Shirokuro

no more random bombs

[past spruce]

We got a lot of atk speed buffers reeleased

Then there's B.Eimi kit

B.Rio

[summer dew]

subaru, takane

[past spruce]

It's either Hiero Luna or a new raid soon

[true shale]

AtkSpd leans towards Binah, Srkr or Hiero. We might consider that Binah satisfies the foreshadowing up to now though.

What banner came before B.Eimi?

[past spruce]

It was immortalized

Ttt

Ichika Kasumi Kaho

I forgot the last one

Was it Sakurako?

[true shale]

Hmm… Not very obvious then

[past spruce]

Oh, S.Eimi instead of Kaho

My bad

[true shale]

Those students indicate Kurokage and Goz, but it’s obviously not as strong of an indication as any new student.

[past spruce]

Goz Luna rerun is gonna be uhhh

Yeah...

[random lake]

1 team

[true shale]

[random lake]

[summer dew]

and the next ones will be maid twins + maris + nyk

[true shale]

Perhaps inevitable with how slow the raid pace is moving.

[random lake]

when do we get purple wakaboat so Mmomoi has niche to be used in

[past spruce]

More like s.mika

[summer dew]

[random lake]

i need to make use of ue40 at some point

[past spruce]

1pan Wakaboat Torment with S.Mika

[random lake]

mmomoi just gathering dust

[true shale]

She’ll provide an edge in Srkr at least.

Idk if people dread Luna Srkr the way they do Binah and Hiero though…

(For now…)

[copper crescent]

no Moi no Dori

[summer dew]

im still confused a bit by takane's existence

such nice healing numbers with self-heal and auto-heal, but where raid

[copper crescent]

what

binah

she's right there

and

[summer dew]

binah yeah but if we try to think the terrains atk colors mean anything

[true shale]

If nothing else, we’ve been in need of a striker healer with red defence for long enough

[copper crescent]

yeah

[summer dew]

ig they dont need to mean anything

[copper crescent]

we were waiting for her for years

red striker healer is already her selling point

she got boat, kaiten, binah, srkr going for her

[summer dew]

bruteforce healing in srkr

[copper crescent]

also peroro hod geb keke too

healing isn't great in srkr but it's still a good bit

though apparently tmari doesn't care bc she simply heals that much

[true shale]

Takane is 2 cost, so it might still have value

[summer dew]

hm yea i guess so. maybe tiph will see some of her too? she got fat hp and auto heal and cheap cost

[true shale]

She’s not 650 range though, is she?

[pallid inlet]

550

[summer dew]

550

[pure vessel]

tmari the goat

[summer dew]

takane 20k healing with passive + stat transfers and non-kaiju investments

[pure vessel]

please nexon triple her radius I beg

[true shale]

Do the Geburah social distancing teams rely on Lv10 I.Sakurako basic?

[candid gust]

Please nexon make tmari heal herself with ex

[copper crescent]

yeah nexon make tmari heal herself with ex

[true shale]

I too find this more critical. Either this or a much shorter basic cooldown.

[pure vessel]

tmariex

15 second basic

[candid gust]

tmari's ex

😟

[pure vessel]

tmari'sex

[copper crescent]

tmariex -> t(ma)r(i)ex

[candid gust]

That's her downside yes.

[pure vessel]

her basic is 25s which is honestly not even that bad or anything

but it could be better

[candid gust]

The bad thing is she barely heals herself

[summer spire]

Mari fluffy ears will carry

[pure vessel]

yeah

[candid gust]

That's not significant

That's just enough to survive a bit more

[true shale]

You must be looking at the wrong Mari. Isn’t it 45 or 50?

[pure vessel]

triple her healing including self

[candid gust]

Tmari is a tank trust

[pure vessel]

oh wait fuck

ye tmari is 45s

[candid gust]

DEF increases

[pure vessel]

brain fog

[candid gust]

[true shale]

I don’t personally have issues with T.Mari range, but enough other people want it that I don’t mind adding that in addition.

She really needs better self-sustain though.

[pure vessel]

make her basic pop every 15s and quadruple the healing amount thx

[crude sable]

Iunno my tmari gets turned to ashes instantly (shes unbuilt and lvl 1)

[true shale]

I could live with them ramping up her defence stat too, if that’s their approach.

[summer spire]

How much dmg mika can do on waka luna? P1

[candid gust]

It's to deal with the def piercing I reckon

[true shale]

If it’s a serious amount, it’s tolerable to me. The current defence boost… does it even do anything?

Hiero bypasses all of it, did he not? Or was there still a bit of mitigation with basic buff added in?

[echo oar]

cursed node 3

[copper crescent]

well if she's healing shoshino it's a decent boost to shoshino defense

[echo oar]

naturally

[copper crescent]

nvm ur not gonna use tmari on shoshino team

but any defense tank should benefit from her def up

[true shale]

That’s like, 2024 strats

It’s still possible, tbh, on P2. Idk if people will elect to do it though.

[summer spire]

Is this enough dmg for lunatic krkg

[pure vessel]

looked up the hw I used last time and mika team did around 35m

[summer spire]

Or i need more bond

[ancient star]

I don't see why wouldn't be

[worldly sun]

That one shosh brick

[pure vessel]

lunatic is a roster check

maxed dps is just the starting line

how do your healers look

can't use atsuko on luna

[summer spire]

My mika is b45 +b43

[pure vessel]

do you have imari/oshig/csena

[ancient star]

There's now a comp that can one pan Phase 1 but it's bald

[summer spire]

I got imari ue 40 heal 25

[pure vessel]

did the new buffers let us 2pan lunakage now?

or is it still 3~4pan for stability

I did 4pan on the first run

[pure vessel]

I would assume you can 3pan comfortably now

[ancient star]

I think in theory it was possible before, but now 2pan is more approachable

[pure vessel]

oh right reisa

2pan is approachable not reliable or easy

[true shale]

I think they fixed it in Torment and after, but nonetheless it’s probably better in Luna to be healing the tank anyway, given the likely hyperbuffer setups.

[pure vessel]

I would prepare for 3pan

[ancient star]

Just throw a B.Hoshi team if you fail two pan

[stuck roost]

For Set, do I need one tank?

Set's attacks are mostly AoE so...

[summer spire]

My kiki is stronger than his same with aru (almost 0 dmg difference)

[pure vessel]

my csena and oshig being benched already

[true shale]

Shouldn’t need it.

[summer spire]

Csena is faster for some reasons

[ancient star]

Tanks don't work in Set, you use tanks just for their utility, either cost recovery or AoE healing. All attacks will hit everyone regardless if you have a tank or not.

[west perch]

2pan is stable imo

UE60 is the main diff

[stuck roost]

So, I just switch Tank B.Hoshi to Atk B.Hoshi?

[west perch]

hikari enabled easier 90-93m setup from p1

[pure vessel]

I remember malding first tor kurokage with a ue40 shanako

[summer spire]

Do you guys think 3* mine is enough or she will die

[ancient star]

Yes, attack mode can deal 20m+ damage

[pure vessel]

now I will mald lunakage with a ue50 shanako

[west perch]

but UE60 was too huge for shanako

[west perch]

she lives luna kkg but you can't tank foxes at all

[marble gust]

bringing aoe def downs in aoe high def raids isnt worth anymore

[summer spire]

Okay brb chat i have 1h shift left

[marble gust]

unless nexon fixes the aoe def down community

[pure vessel]

just do more damage

[summer spire]

Ue 80

[stuck roost]

so, Kuroko and B.Hoshi is still a good combo?

[pure vessel]

in what

[ancient star]

Set

[stuck roost]

Fury of set

[west perch]

I'd still say for a 2pan that's a speedy setup

[pure vessel]

was boshi ever good in set

[crude sable]

It works, what floor are you going for though

[ancient star]

What matters really is what other units you have

[pure vessel]

is there some new tech im missing

[west perch]

she's just an AA

[true shale]

Why not? Did I miss something? I still think it’s worthwhile.

[stuck roost]

Well, I passed F49 so...

[pure vessel]

or is this just a "I don't have anything better" situation

[marble gust]

i still use it for 106

[stuck roost]

...Oh no, F50 beyond has explosive dmg

[marble gust]

its fucking pathetic

we dont have skanna tier def down

and only shanako has basic aoe def down

[pure vessel]

my goat kasumi is washed

[marble gust]

with all its better to just bring another buffer

[pure vessel]

[past spruce]

Mari...

[true shale]

It’s still worth it though, isn’t it?

[west perch]

what? Are you going to do p2 without kikyou and kasumi?

[past spruce]

[marble gust]

depends

[crude sable]

Niya 33% aoe def down

[ancient star]

You know how hard her AA hits, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXCoE456Prc

[crude sable]

Or did you mean striker/ basic in particular

[stuck roost]

Man if I can max out all my students, I can finally fight F100 Set

[marble gust]

makes krkg 82% to 77% dmg red

like

[stuck roost]

Its design is just so cool it looks like a boss of an MMO

[west perch]

erase those 2 and the 2pan doesn't exist entirely y'know

[true shale]

I’m almost certain that it’s worth it in Peroro. I’m less certain about Kurokage, but I need it explained to me.

[marble gust]

no im speaking in peroro terms

[west perch]

oh, peroro

[marble gust]

krkg will be prolly more pathetic

without bhosh

[true shale]

What does it depend on?

[ancient star]

[marble gust]

if ur running shanako

if not ur better off bringing another buffer

even the new tor krkg uses hikari

[west perch]

You mean "not boshi"

[marble gust]

instead of kikyou

[true shale]

That’s… bringing an AoE defence down though. It’s a factor in her kit.

[stuck roost]

Wait, Cycling Shiroko? What for?

[ancient star]

Attack down debuff

[true shale]

Same with B.Hoshino.

[past spruce]

G.Tsubaki

[marble gust]

you realistically only bring a secondary def down to stack def downs cus of how def down works

[crude sable]

Ah I see what you mean now

[past spruce]

[marble gust]

if you split multiple def down units in multiple teams it doesnt do shit

[pure vessel]

is this really better than running sakurako though

[true shale]

Oh did you mean multiple when you first mentioned it?

[marble gust]

and since almost everyone is ex aoe def down

[pure vessel]

I guess it's rotation dependent

[marble gust]

no one and their mother stacks

[ancient star]

iirc, no, but it's about the same

[marble gust]

if not shanako comp

[past spruce]

Boshino is better imo

[marble gust]

Mine still op though

[true shale]

I’m not following really. In direct number comparisons it’s usually better than buffs.

[marble gust]

imagine a non shanako team where you bring kijyou

congrats of the 82% to 78% dmg red

which is nothing

[true shale]

And it does have an impact in Perorodzilla for sure, where where our dps is measured against a Binary check

[marble gust]

if shanako it goes down to like 62%

cus of how def down works

with reisa its like 55%

so you either put all good def downs in one team

or not bring one at all

[true shale]

Why is it nothing? I don’t get it.

[summer dew]

DR% formula is DR = DEF / (DEF + 1666.67)

when you attack the denominator with percentual decrease

[marble gust]

do you know how def down works

[summer dew]

you need to stack it

[marble gust]

on binah with skanna only its like 80% to 70%

with maki it becomes 50

[west perch]

which is a 22% damage increase

[marble gust]

bhosh 40%

[true shale]

This here is nonetheless 33% extra dmg on the other two strikers.

[west perch]

also, what?

[true shale]

Assuming a backline of 3, this is.

[past spruce]

[marble gust]

im just spitting out numbers but close enough

[marble gust]

well aoe def downs are also expensive cost

[west perch]

80 to 68% dmg reduction is a 60% damage increase

[marble gust]

ur better off bringing another buffer for that?

[west perch]

You're looking at DR when you're supposed to look at effective damage dealt

you're not supposed to look at DR as a flat value

[true shale]

When fielding 3 dps, the damage is skewed towards the stronger two dps.

[west perch]

It's an EHP value increase

[crude sable]

Yeah but how often do we field 3 dps at the same time

[worldly sun]

Taken to extreme, going from 99% red to 98% is 2x dmg

[west perch]

The graphs look like this because if it were to scale linearly the eHP for high def enemies would scale exponentially

[marble gust]

no the real issue is how bringing one single def down is not that worth if ur not stacking

its like solo akane def down on binah

[pure vessel]

smh

[past spruce]

Dmg is dmg

[marble gust]

our aoe def down units are more expensive and much worse def down

[true shale]

That is to say, with 2 dps, the 3rd dps, if included, will increase damage that scales off their own potency, which is necessarily weaker than the other 2 dps.
By bringing a support (including defence down), the dps increase of this 3rd student scales off the potency of the stronger two dps.

The only question is whether the AoE def- has a smaller yield than a different buff.

[pure vessel]

newbies are so used to hyperbuffers handing out 100% damage increases like it's free that they don't remember when natsu basic with its 16% atk buff made her a primo buffer

[true shale]

On high defence raids, the def- usually wins out.

[marble gust]

I dont even utilize natsu atk buff

[marble gust]

check next krkg tor

[past spruce]

Also S.Shizuko basic

[worldly sun]

Anyway I saw a kasumi momiji team that seemed like a popular cope and that’s only 1 def down and even tho it’s 82%>76% it works out as +40% dps

So can’t be that bad

[old rose]

yo that's me!

[marble gust]

4 cost for what chare can do

[pure vessel]

something something def increases have exponential gains

[old rose]

ain't chare dead in p2

[true shale]

I do believe that Kurokage is more likely to back you up, based on progress through the raid having a linear correlation with our dps.

[old rose]

so people use ibuki

[past spruce]

Needs babysitting

[pure vessel]

yesod going from 99% resistance to 95% resistance was a big deal because it quintipled the damage you did

[marble gust]

you get the point anyway

[pure vessel]

a seemingly small def down is a big difference when the % is high

[marble gust]

we dont have a 2 cost kasumi

cus aoe def down is expensive

[true shale]

In Perorodzilla, however, we have a binary check for reaching the knock threshold for shiny minions, so small damage variations matter across multiple teams.

[marble gust]

i dont think youd bring aoe def down units outside shanako comp in peroro

cus none of them stack

[past spruce]

:clueless:

[west perch]

for a damn good reason, i might add

[summer dew]

reisa has like 15% on sub

[true shale]

AoE def- is a teamwide benefit.

[marble gust]

it literally works similar to a st def down raid as in % of dmg increased

[true shale]

As opposed to only for a single dps.

[marble gust]

for more cost

[west perch]

would you like nearly everyone on the bottom here to be as viable for hiero? I wouldn't

[quartz remnant]

Next peroro luna will prob be 3 pan instead of 4 pan top

[marble gust]

well if not for nexon making aoe def down so shit

[pure vessel]

???wtf does "cope ex def down" mean

[marble gust]

they had to make bhosh sub def ignore

[west perch]

hiero

[true shale]

AoE def- is more analogous to AoE buffs. It’s balanced to be either weaker or more expensive.

[worldly sun]

Lower value aoe is cope for an st raid

[pure vessel]

skanna there

[crude sable]

Skanna being cope def down is crazy work without context lol

[pure vessel]

but if it's hiero then ok

[worldly sun]

Skanna explodes

[past spruce]

S.Kanna dies easily yeah

[worldly sun]

So harder to use

[past spruce]

On the context of Hiero

[pure vessel]

yeah the question was already answered with "hiero"

[stuck roost]

I CANT DO COMMISSION RUINS I, HELP

WHAT AM I MISSING

[true shale]

Because it’s an ST raid, the dmg increase still benefits the entire raid.

[crude sable]

Dmg

[past spruce]

Aoe units

Also buffs ig

[stuck roost]

I HAVE NONOMI, TSUBAKI, C. SERINA, SEIA, AKO, AND SERINA

[marble gust]

cus again st def down is cheap and we got high numbers

[west perch]

your caps lock is on

we can read fine without all caps

[summer dew]

pls dont yell

[marble gust]

our best aoe def downs are like what 35%

[stuck roost]

But I need desperate EXP Mats

[marble gust]

outside mine ex basic

[stuck roost]

Im out of them and waiting for events isnt gonna cut it

[worldly sun]

Kasumi is 33%

[marble gust]

and costing 4-5

[true shale]

The benefit of AoE def- is that it keeps its teamwide support against any target, whereas ST def- falls off.

[past spruce]

Uhh, Xerina...

[marble gust]

lmao even

[worldly sun]

Best one is nagi but red only

[past spruce]

[marble gust]

tf whos mai

[worldly sun]

You tell me

[marble gust]

anyway yea double the cost for lower def down

[past spruce]

Xerina crit buff doesn't stack with Ako

[marble gust]

[worldly sun]

She’s up there at 40%

[marble gust]

which doesnt stack outside shanako

[past spruce]

Also the yellow effectiveness is kinda useless there

[true shale]

Who are you comparing it to, though? Our best AoE buff is G.Tsubaki, I think?

[quartz remnant]

Binah luna having 50m only is so sad, prob 2 or 3 pan max

[marble gust]

and shanako basic sometimes doesnt hit much

in peroro at least