💬gameplay-discussion

[worldly sun]

Maybe for your “units you must have” you should actually just skip it as a factor

[echo oar]

yeah that's the thought

[worldly sun]

Cos it’s too much of an outlier

[echo oar]

I have a note "geb forces iwak, not needed elsewhere"

[worldly sun]

Cos otherwise you add random stuff like “you must have isak”

[loud knoll]

himari is JFD unit

[worldly sun]

Which is like no

[opaque dagger]

Must have that or Shiroko Swimsuit

[echo oar]

funnily, you can consolidate quite a lot of the niche picks

[opaque dagger]

Shiroko Swimsuit is the other enabler for Geb

[ancient star]

Yeah... it is

[echo oar]

like chare and daru actually aren't needed

[old rose]

surely one of them is needed?

[echo oar]

I'm still half-done though, haven't fully made the list

[worldly sun]

Are you assuming to use like ibuki for atk buffs

[echo oar]

I managed to find clears for everything without forcing either one of them

[opaque dagger]

I assume he's just compiling "minimum student roster to be able to clear every Tor not Geb"

[echo oar]

and naw just kisaki + rio/ako in lots of cases

[feral jetty]

I AM NOT DOING THAT AGAIN

[worldly sun]

I mean you probably don’t need rio

[feral jetty]

@cyan ether

[opaque dagger]

So basically for everything Rio + Kisaki, there's a clear without Aru Dress

[echo oar]

rio's one of those units that cuts out lots of other requirements

she simplifies lots of raids

[worldly sun]

Go back to chare ako kisaki kind of thing

[ancient star]

🙏

[worldly sun]

Rio only tended to be better if you had daru

If you didnt she wasnt as good

[opaque dagger]

Rio is much more of an enabler, she probably cuts down on the minimum student count

Cos like say, on Binah, she doubles as Basic Def Down

[echo oar]

seia's honestly more of an enabler than daru for rio kisaki teams

[worldly sun]

rio was like a useless pull for me for like 2 months

[echo oar]

seia's one of my forced picks, used in like 4 raids at least I think?

[worldly sun]

I think I used her in 1 jfd during that time and that was it

[echo oar]

yeah 4.5-5 raids

anyway, it's tough to talk about it without the full picture

so I'm gonna continue

[opaque dagger]

You also have to think in terms of "if I remove Rio, does adding Hare Camp complete the picture or not"

Or does Rio's removal mean you add 2 or more students to the minimum student pool

[echo oar]

yeee I wanna do a second or third pass to see what changes if I take out or add someone

[opaque dagger]

That's something to consider

[opaque dagger]

Honestly, this would be easier to do programmatically

[echo oar]

that feels like the case so far, yeah

meh I enjoy doing it by hand, fun way to spend time

[loud knoll]

Something like that should be baseline torment with minimal use of exotic units (depends what you'd consider exotic though)

[opaque dagger]

This is how I know Audiens has too much free time

[echo oar]

more info for me while I'm at it, so I can internalize new things

[wicked vine]

i thought it was easy wtf

is 40mil hard

[echo oar]

yeah noa and msuzumi are super exotic in this context 😭

[feral jetty]

not 40m

[echo oar]

literal yesod-only units as I was going through it

[feral jetty]

40.08m

[wicked vine]

send hw

[feral jetty]

40m is relatively easy in comparison

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1VupmzwEna/

[opaque dagger]

Ye as someone relatively new who often copes without cost recovery, I sometimes have a different perspective on cope runs and skill issue players

[feral jetty]

you have to do the wave 1 and 3 bullshit where you kill everything with just 1 shanako ex

[wicked vine]

dman

[opaque dagger]

Wave 1 is easy to replicate, Wave 3 is ass

[feral jetty]

and it's not just "practice more and you consistently get it"

it's crit rng

[opaque dagger]

You kill Wave 2 too efficiently and Hanako Swimsuit moves forward

[feral jetty]

you have to crit on specific targets

or you don't get it

[opaque dagger]

Ya you want to leave some sweepers alive to not run forward, right

[feral jetty]

yeah

[opaque dagger]

It's trash

Stupid ass precise wave clears

I realized this when I was trying to somewhat modify 40.08 for myself

P1 is consistent, P2 is nonsense

[echo oar]

but yeah, funnily, seia ended up getting used in all yellow raids

so she actually adds a good bit of damage on top of the cost advantage

[obsidian heath]

speedrun slop 🛌

[loud knoll]

Noa debatable, but no suzumi instantly makes it 3+ teams

[echo oar]

yeah 🙁

but 2 teams of farmables to do p2 is perfectly fine

I just gotta find out what those two teams actually are...

[opaque dagger]

Biggest problem is the focus fire

There is no way to farm that one

[random lake]

u mean imari/kokona?

[echo oar]

mhm taking out noa often resulted in sizuna being forced

[obsidian heath]

summer ichika

[opaque dagger]

That's assuming you were there for the event

I think Audiens is excluding non-perma events for now?

[wicked vine]

damn this looks like ass

[echo oar]

oh I'm including them

[wicked vine]

glad you're having fun

[echo oar]

for rabu/imine/ukarin

[odd geyser]

Whoops yeah

[loud knoll]

If you were not there for the event do you even have 3 teams of torment level warm bodies?

[echo oar]

minimum pulls, not necessarily minimum time to do all tors

might take some time for the reruns to come back so you can get the free units for em

[feral jetty]

i didn't get the auto smika on my clear so i had to pause buffer instead

[opaque dagger]

Oh so this assumes you were there for every event?

[worldly sun]

Will have to see how bhumari changes. She’s also cost regen too cos ofc she is

[echo oar]

ye!

ohhh yeah her too...

yeah she'll change a lot

I forgot about her, even when including kei

[opaque dagger]

Assuming every event actually will lower the pull count a lot 👀

I guess that's for a true minimum clear

And for newer players, well, every event you remove means you need a gacha probably

[echo oar]

yeah, though I don't wanna assume ultramaxed farmables

more like ue40 M777 t999 or something

[feral jetty]

i just noticed why tf is shanako glowing

[opaque dagger]

Honestly, what you can do now is just use the current snapshot and note down: this is the complete list before 5th anni prefest

Because 5th anni changes Blue raids so drastically

And we don't even know the effects on Yellow raids yet

Red likely barely any changes

[echo oar]

but then I gotta take kei outta shirokuro and peroro 😭

[opaque dagger]

I mean, there's really no real data, it's all (likely accurate) theorycrafting

[random lake]

so which is better for this, imari or kokona?

[echo oar]

questionably accurate

[random lake]

and should i take s.shiroko instead of s.shizuko?

[loud knoll]

you can run like tank s.hanako cost regen + random special, all other units are optional

[opaque dagger]

Genuine "I made it the f up" moment

[odd geyser]

at the same investment, that's a matter of preference.
I prefer IMari b/c her cost down is more predictable but Kokona can take more of a beating if needed

[cyan ether]

gg

[summer dew]

tax fraud saga continues with part 3

[opaque dagger]

I'm one day behind, I'm only on part 2

[polar orbit]

i'm done with mine

[odd geyser]

It's much easier to cycle back to SHanako/keep her at full stacks with sroko yeah

[opaque dagger]

Me minmax only fraud on Yellow, big number me happy

[summer dew]

i just fraud whatever

[old rose]

you should fraud your ins clears and sweep tor

[polar orbit]

yeah

[old rose]

its less points wasted (and I think you can miss the final point reward if you always fraud your tor)

[summer dew]

hmm i dont care that much but i'll do so tomorrow then

[loud knoll]

total points do nothing, you get max reward either way

[random lake]

tried it and with those teams tor is easy af. just having a bit of issues with stun gauge where the amount in the video is 1 sliver too early for some reason cuz natsu keeps dying to last minion and then nagisa buff doesnt work

[loud knoll]

even with burned ticket or two you get max reward

[polar orbit]

i am looking ahead to trying my 1pan geburah tor again. And I'm dreading having to ue50 imari for it. Pretty sure it would brick me for the ligma needed for other lunatics depending on when they are released

[odd geyser]

I think swapping Yuuka and Natsu may actually be the play

[opaque dagger]

Bruh you choose to die on the strangest bald hills

[polar orbit]

it's an extra 1100 hp healed on the heater per ex, not counting when it's under the recovery buff

it could be significant to get an extra few ticks of cost

[loud knoll]

Reading such takes make me feel better about building subaru and shiyori

[polar orbit]

hell yeah

[atomic arrow]

no way ue50 is required

[summer dew]

maybe i should read the event story soon

[polar orbit]

no one has done it skanna less yet

so we dont really know

[atomic arrow]

[old rose]

wait what is the team without skanna?

[polar orbit]

the closest someone got was 1-2 satsuki ex's away

yeah

[severe steeple]

I am dreading doing it even with skanna

you crazy

[polar orbit]

i may have been able to do it last time if i didn't waste 4 days trying an impossible strat

[old rose]

no i'm asking what is the team?

[polar orbit]

oh

boshi, uasuna, imari, isakurako, iwak, satsuki

[old rose]

oh uasuna over skanna

somehow I would expect it to do better no

[polar orbit]

skanna def down is crazy

[feral jetty]

skanna > uasuna

[atomic arrow]

really

[old rose]

47.8 vs 34.2

for solo def down i guess

[polar orbit]

plus skanna gives attack buff on sub skill right? so you're trading the uasuna attack buff for 13% extra def down

[polar orbit]

boshi is 20% shred

[old rose]

oh you have boshi too yea

[echo oar]

yeah bosh + skanna + satsuki = nearly 0 def on geb

[old rose]

it feels like the uasuna atk buff should be more net damage somehow

[grand anchor]

if we talk about geb, yeah, skanna is better because of her def down

[atomic arrow]

so s.kanna over u.asuna even here?

[polar orbit]

yeah

[atomic arrow]

guh

[echo oar]

mmmm doesn't make as much of a difference there...

[feral jetty]

it's not like you're not getting an atk buff anymore

[grand anchor]

this team is supposed to work with sroko tho

[echo oar]

since the whole thing is about comboing def downs

[feral jetty]

skanna also buffs special atk

[wicked vine]

for torment???

[atomic arrow]

yeh

[polar orbit]

but that team cant 1pan iirc

[severe steeple]

I agree it feels like asuna should be better, but the homework says otherwise

[wicked vine]

what? why

[feral jetty]

plus you can run sfubuki instead of sroko for def down

[atomic arrow]

2nd team btw

[grand anchor]

the real super team uses sfubuki and skanna

[old rose]

luna team puts uasuna on super team and not skanna

maybe thats just because you want to save skanna for a differen team tho

[polar orbit]

if you speedy

[feral jetty]

are we looking at the same raid

[atomic arrow]

what do you mean

[grand anchor]

if you just want to clear it's fine, even with uasuna and sroko you're doing a good amount of damage

[polar orbit]

but without skanna, no 1pans

[wicked vine]

i dont see why skanna would be better than uasuna

[old rose]

well that's with sfubuki gpina and skanna; I'm specifically looking at the team with uasuna vs. skanna

[grand anchor]

def down

[atomic arrow]

I dunno either, that's why I was asking

[polar orbit]

it's all about def shred

[cyan ether]

def down, cheaper cost

[grand anchor]

also lower cost

[polar orbit]

^

[feral jetty]

don't forget that skanna also has an atk buff for specials on her sub skill

[atomic arrow]

ohhh

[wicked vine]

sshiroko is def shredding though

[feral jetty]

it's not like you're going from atk buff to 0 atk buff

[wicked vine]

is that really enough

idk

[polar orbit]

13% less than skanna

[feral jetty]

yeah but the problem is that you're using sroko instead of sfubuki then

[cyan ether]

yes?

[polar orbit]

and 1 extra cost

[grand anchor]

for a boss like geb with very high defence it's way better than uasuna attack buff

[wicked vine]

ohh ur using sfubuki

[old rose]

i don't think we're talking about the sfubuki team

[wicked vine]

aight that makes more sense then

[polar orbit]

no you dont even use fubuki

you only use iwak for cost recovery and pillar

[feral jetty]

what are we talking about

[polar orbit]

torment geb

[old rose]

in the context of the team
boshi imari iwappi ___ - satsuki iwak
why is skanna preferred over uasuna?

[feral jetty]

skanna team replaces sshiroko with sfubuki because then you already have the def down

[grand anchor]

torment geb can be done even without looking at it, it's fine

[polar orbit]

not in the speedrun

not in the 1pan

[loud knoll]

higher damage increase for less cost apparently

[feral jetty]

okay i'm too luna brained then

skanna still wins because of lower cost and still having an atk buff on top of bigger def down

[grand anchor]

nah lunatic is the real deal, i don't care about ins and torment

[random lake]

i tried it and it still failed so then i watched my timing of mika rapid fire and if i activate it too early she doesnt kill the last enemy before it explodes

[wicked vine]

i mean geburah luna is the easiest

[old rose]

even in lunatic clears, this team:
boshi imari iwappi ___ - satsuki iwak
shows up most often with uasuna, with skanna on a different team
yet in torment, the team performs better somehow with skanna

[feral jetty]

tl;dr: uasuna is a fraud

[grand anchor]

uasuna team 2 with gpina

[summer spire]

Hi gameplay discussion

[polar orbit]

dont worry, uasuna still has gregorius

[random lake]

also is this doable by malding stab or too much difference? @odd geyser

[old rose]

can't fit her i don't have mina

[odd geyser]

That's probably stab unfortunately

[grand anchor]

i mean, uasuna is still getting used for geb, not for the super team with sfubuki and skanna, but she's still used for team 2

[odd geyser]

although, did you cancel mika's basic?

[polar orbit]

it's a f2p team

[random lake]

i think i did, in favour of getting all hits within buff period, ill try not cancelling it

[old rose]

what about this f2p team

[grand anchor]

[polar orbit]

i dont think that will 1pan

[odd geyser]

I wait for those yellow swirls to appear before firing

[polar orbit]

praying the march TA is greg

[summer spire]

Is this is maldy?

[cyan ether]

no

[polar orbit]

it requires you to learn pinball

[odd geyser]

they don't need to be fully visible but the start of that animation is how you know a buff has applied in general

[summer spire]

I'll just copy homework 0 brain

[old rose]

you can also just pause buffer until the buff shows up

[cyan ether]

^

[opaque dagger]

It's between 7% and 21.8% Dmg Reduction after accounting for Satsuki. Then you account for the extra cost and see how many more Satsuki EX you get by clicking less EX skills

[proven dove]

[summer spire]

Wait buff apply instantly with Animation?

[odd geyser]

the buff applies before Mika's animation finishes. You can tell when by the swirl

[old rose]

i don't doubt the math, it just feels like the buff dedicated to buffing special students' atk should net you more damage than a relatively small increase in def down

[summer spire]

Ohhh

Nice to know

[old rose]

from a game design perspective

[opaque dagger]

Essentially, Kanna Swimsuit gives you 15% more output than Shiroko Swimsuit, all else kept constant

[summer spire]

Also i love this channel i can speak with real humans not ai like on general

[opaque dagger]

The first 1000 Def scales up very fast

[loud knoll]

cost is not constant

[odd geyser]

Chat GPD

[summer spire]

Worse

[atomic arrow]

yippee

[summer spire]

Should i keep going?

[opaque dagger]

Ye Kanna Swimsuit already wins by 1 cost, over 10+ cycles that's 1 extra Satsuki EX

[random lake]

worked

[odd geyser]

[opaque dagger]

The problem is with the nonlinear scaling behavior of Defense

Like, reducing 7000 to 6000 Def is negligible, but reducing 500 to 100 Def is kinda massive

It's dumb af but it is what it is

[echo oar]

it's also because stacking %def down is additive instead of multiplicative

[odd geyser]

if that was mock, be careful with groggy on ticket. 1 soldier and 1 turret leftover is what I was looking for before forfeit.

[echo oar]

that's the REAL kicker

50% def down + 20% def down = 70% def down, not 0.5x0.8 = 0.4 = 60% def down

so even an extra 10% down matters a TON when you're reducing 30% remaining def to 20%

[opaque dagger]

Honestly the biggest issue is cost

[summer spire]

Chat i forgot how much u can buy purple stuff here all of it

[covert spoke]

dont

[polar orbit]

books and discs are a scam in that shop

[covert spoke]

update soon

[atomic arrow]

4 of each purple tech note

and 2 blu-rays

[odd geyser]

bounty coin moves to sora shop soon

[summer spire]

I mean im getting 4.5k tokens in 30 days

[odd geyser]

resets monthly with every bounty artifact purchasable

[feral jetty]

i hope we get that early

[polar orbit]

same

[atomic arrow]

still waiting on quick craft qol

[summer spire]

When they gonna make this usable i ue only important characters

Atp i farm scrimmage just for credits

[polar orbit]

When you start ueing more characters you will use them

[loud knoll]

i think they already UE'ed more characters than we combined x5

[polar orbit]

True

They are just old probably

[summer spire]

I play this game 2 years

[fleet narwhal]

everyone here is so old

newbs like me cant stay for long

[summer spire]

I'm meta slave btw

[polar orbit]

Oil drum

[fleet narwhal]

2 is relatively new

[polar orbit]

Anyone who started before me is old

[summer spire]

Just put fries in the bag bro

[west perch]

a very whel 2 years I see

[random lake]

@odd geyser is this too much?

[summer spire]

I was monthly player for most of the time

[atomic arrow]

all farmables

[west perch]

imagine not having most of your ue60s be farmables smh

[odd geyser]

should be fine

[polar orbit]

My only ue60 is a farmable

[summer spire]

Do you want see something scarry

[random lake]

im trusting my ticket on you

[west perch]

monthly? As in the 6600 monthly or the human rights monthly?

[summer spire]

Human rights monthly

I started buying since last anniversary

New monthly

[fleet narwhal]

arent those the same

[west perch]

that's nothing tbh

[atomic arrow]

[summer spire]

I'm to lazy to farm old characters

[west perch]

jeez, a distinct lack of farmables

[summer spire]

I'll show all of i war crime now

[atomic arrow]

that's based

[odd geyser]

😟

[dim frigate]

LMFAO classic

[odd geyser]

3 digit ligma

[random lake]

ok its joever, easy

[ancient star]

The war crime is 3 digit ligma

[random lake]

this time for real

[odd geyser]

[fleet narwhal]

3 digits...

[ancient star]

GG

[fleet narwhal]

ye gads

[summer spire]

I'll do pulls soon dw

[dim frigate]

gehenna supremacy

[summer spire]

I pull for eligms 🦖

[summer spire]

She's my wife

[covert spoke]

what are you even trying to say

[odd geyser]

she wasn't farmable when I used ligma tbf

[dim frigate]

[odd geyser]

hope missing koharu for a month won't bite me in greg

[summer spire]

1 b100 = 7 b50

[dim frigate]

worth

[polar orbit]

Wow

[summer spire]

I think i need to be Walter White so i can have money for pyroxene

[odd geyser]

have you seen the malkuth teams?

[dim frigate]

yeah im going to have 100 - 50 - 50 by then too

[summer spire]

My max is spending 200$ per month without crying

Anything more than this hurt my soul

[copper crescent]

I hope to make clear that defense scaling is linear rather than non-linear if ur interested

[round kayak]

What's the minimum investment for both sfoob and iwak on geburah luna again?

[dim frigate]

current bond raise is just both aru alts + rio + nagisa

[summer spire]

Guys

[mint sapphire]

formal request to remove Chesed from the game

[copper crescent]

Def down is nonlinear sure, but the flat defense increase or decrease is linear

[summer spire]

Remove cherino

[fleet narwhal]

I can agree with you on that trex

[copper crescent]

I must 🦖

[supple star]

i can't kill him with one Mika ex

i think im missing something

[summer spire]

I had more fun on peroro 40.066 than yellow ball

[dim frigate]

we defeat deca = no more robots

[feral jetty]

yeah, stab

[round kayak]

One trex agreeing with another

[supple star]

oh

its stab again?

[copper crescent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1372483368410808361.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=KaijuDance

[supple star]

damn Mika

[loud knoll]

you need shiyori

[round kayak]

Always had been

[feral jetty]

i always make it to the core team with like 50 minutes remaining and each time i have to eject with AAs instead of killing on mika EX

[summer spire]

rate my super shun for Speedruns and pvp

[fleet narwhal]

a trex accusing a f2p of being a trex

[summer spire]

Free to a
Pay

[atomic arrow]

how'd I do

[fleet narwhal]

Free to
Play

[round kayak]

Don't be shy denosaur, you were there before Jurassic park was invented

[simple ravine]

free2payno mega whel

[supple star]

oh wait
i saw a fricking

[dim frigate]

nozomi scammed

[feral jetty]

yeah, that's how it is

[atomic arrow]

no...

[fleet narwhal]

shush

by your own words I'm a newb

[summer spire]

I morbed when my cherino missed auto attack 5 times not even ex skill

[round kayak]

You have better farmables than me ssg 🛐

[simple ravine]

i just repeated what you said

[copper crescent]

Guys do u think BA should have a recording of your run when u click reset

[polar orbit]

Now search all the results for "denosaur"

[fleet narwhal]

repeating the hard cold truth

[simple ravine]

you can be a newb and a whale

[dim frigate]

like having a save file or an actual replay

[copper crescent]

Just one recording, upon resetting you lose the previous recording

Like an ingame recording

[fleet narwhal]

you guys spam that poor denosaur quite often

[copper crescent]

And u can save up to 10 recordings

[round kayak]

So something like a replay system Huh

[fleet narwhal]

well shame I'm only a newb

[copper crescent]

Yeah

[dim frigate]

Itd be cool but on steam the background recorder is op

[copper crescent]

Ooo

[summer spire]

If we call each other here whales what klee is "guy from Twitter"

[copper crescent]

I see

[round kayak]

yeah steam already has one

Probably on mobile ig

[dim frigate]

really easy to clip stuff as well

[copper crescent]

I mean

Deno is only one letter away from Dino

[round kayak]

I used Steam's recording much more frequently with how easy it is to use

[fleet narwhal]

Weird coincidence

[summer spire]

I see something like this on my fyp is my match good is that 50k$

[copper crescent]

Yeah idk how that happened

Life is full of coincidences

[opaque dagger]

No, Damage Dealt is inversely proportional to Def

Dmg Reduction = 0 Def Dmg Dealt - Dmg Dealt with Def = 1 - 1666 / (1666 + Def)

And here's the graph

[atomic arrow]

nice graph

[midnight river]

Desmos

been forever since i have seen that

[summer spire]

Okay I'm going to sleep so i can wake up to work and buy stuff to my lovely and cute students seeyaa senseis

[copper crescent]

nice graph

[odd geyser]

#game-theory

[covert spoke]

yes thats linear

[old rose]

that is clearly a line

[copper crescent]

Yeah

[covert spoke]

ur looking at wrong value

[copper crescent]

Huh there's #game-theory!??!

[covert spoke]

it stops being linear when you run into stuff that goes past the cap etc

[feral jetty]

had to eject on AAs again

[fleet narwhal]

indeed and it is time you all understood that is exactly that a coincidence

[feral jetty]

i had a sick p1 time tho

[odd geyser]

that's what this channel used to be called. It was dead back then

#💬gameplay-discussion message my earliest message here. look at the timestamps between messages

[feral jetty]

didn't people mistakenly come in here to discuss stuff like story theories because of the channel name sometimes?

i feel like i remember stuff like that happening

[odd geyser]

yeah not too far underneathe my message, you'll see an example

[feral jetty]

oh lmao

literally right under

[round kayak]

iPad robot....

[copper crescent]

#💬gameplay-discussion message
yami was proud of me 🥲 i miss yami

[west perch]

This is false btw. It's a perspective that only is true when you look at it from the perspective of % damage reduction.

The real damage dealt increase attacking an enemy of 7000 vs 6000 def is 13%.
whereas going from 500 to 100 def is a 22% increase.

this is because of how your increase in damage is always relative to your damage dealt, not in how much damage reduction the enemy has

A 7000 def enemy has 80.77% damage reduction, that means we're doing 19.23% effective damage.
6000 def - 78.26% DR. 21.74% effective damage.
21.74 / 19.23 = 1.13
A 13% increase in damage dealt

[opaque dagger]

You're looking at it from the perspective of enemy Def as the baseline 100%. I always analyze it from 0 Def as baseline, and compare relative to that

[covert spoke]

yes, your perspective is wrong and aetherpons is right

[copper crescent]

500 to 100 is 1.2265x dmg (94.34/76.92)
7000 to 6000 is 1.13x dmg (21.74/19.23) yeah

[opaque dagger]

Is it useless? Yes. But it's for the sake of analyzing the relationship between Def and Dmg Reduction, which is what I want to know

[bitter tundra]

Hi, does anyone know the name of the ost played in vol3 ep40 traces of a dream? I tried to find it but in vain

[copper crescent]

#💬gameplay-discussion message

Here

Wait no not u hector

U can check Mo2's channel

They have all of the ost

[bitter tundra]

Ok, Thanks man

[opaque dagger]

Cool, I am not analyzing increase in Dmg Dealt based on Def Decrease. I am purely looking at the relationship between Def stat and Dmg Reduction

[covert spoke]

okay well you're still wrong

[copper crescent]

I see

[west perch]

The way you interpret it doesn't reflect how DR affects the effective HP though

[opaque dagger]

Well you're wrong, cos that is not how linear graps look like

[copper crescent]

No, they're right if we're talking just def stat vs dmg reduction

Def stat vs ehp is the linear one

[west perch]

going from 50% DR to 75% DR is a 100% increase in effective HP

[copper crescent]

It's about what they decide to analyze

[opaque dagger]

To be fair, Damage Reduction is a percentage, so trying to create a proportionality argument between a value and a percentage will lead to such analysis

[echo oar]

alternate answer: instead of having to browse through each song, the wiki actually has pages for all the story details
https://bluearchive.wiki/wiki/Main_Story/Volume_1/Chapter_3/Episode_40
I assume you're talking about this one, shoujo sorrow?

[copper crescent]

Holy iq

[bitter tundra]

Wait I realized I wrote vol3 but I meant vol1 my bad

[echo oar]

traces of a dream gave it away :p

[round kayak]

It's fine

[copper crescent]

It's ok we understand

[covert spoke]

why would you try and say a 75% damage reduction is bigger than a 14% damage reduction as if its somehow mindblowing is the real question

[west perch]

the context in the first place was satsuki geb so

[atomic arrow]

[copper crescent]

The only valuable thing here is the multiplier u get from the def down

And which combo u use

[west perch]

it's basically a hyperbuff

[copper crescent]

Yeah

Ehp dr whatever is irrelevant tbh

Multiplier is what matters

Final dmg is what matters

[echo oar]

isn't assassin talking in the context of satsuki vs geb though?

flat pen changes things a lot when talking high def vs low def

[midnight river]

[copper crescent]

Well I should've looked further up the chat but yeah in the context of def pen yup

[covert spoke]

its like within 5% of each other

one takes significantly more effort tho

[copper crescent]

That's bc one is 1000 def pen whole the other is 400

[bitter tundra]

Yes this is the one

Thanks!

[echo oar]

sure thing!

[round kayak]

ssg story reader

[echo oar]

I knew it was the piano arrange when I first read his question

good moment

[copper crescent]

Ssg

[bitter tundra]

Yes really beautiful

[round kayak]

Now if noneleft had the same enthusiasm as you

[echo oar]

yeah! shoujo delight's already one of my favorite songs

and then they threw that one at me for the sappy moment

I crumbled

[copper crescent]

Same

[round kayak]

[copper crescent]

Hoshino was so happy back then

I mean she's happy now too but the inbetween was sad

[midnight river]

@polar orbit

[round kayak]

Oh nice timing

[midnight river]

[round kayak]

@polar orbit you done with 3324?

[polar orbit]

too hard

[midnight river]

Huh

[round kayak]

[midnight river]

3-3-24 is the hardest story ofc we ain't done

[round kayak]

Classic noneleft

[round kayak]

Stop slacking smh

[copper crescent]

3324 was infamous

[round kayak]

[polar orbit]

it's quite possible i wont have to do it for a while!!

[echo oar]

aaaahhh getting emotional listening to it again

what a good moment

[midnight river]

I mean i already beat 3-3-24 with some super hard malding

3-3-24 is insane

[polar orbit]

-6k is doable if they give us free stuff, right

right

[round kayak]

press x to doubt

[copper crescent]

X

[round kayak]

Cun-

[midnight river]

Can i see that red number?

[polar orbit]

what red number

[midnight river]

[copper crescent]

-23k?

[polar orbit]

no...

[round kayak]

-34k?

[polar orbit]

21.6...

[midnight river]

-102k?

[round kayak]

brokeleft

😔

[midnight river]

Wait how you going to afford pre-fes and fes?

[polar orbit]

im gonna have to read if i want mine

[copper crescent]

By 🦖

[covert spoke]

[round kayak]

She's gonna break her piggy bank and gobble the stories she slacked off

[polar orbit]

im gonna put on the korean dub and just slack

[copper crescent]

The solution is 🦖

[polar orbit]

[round kayak]

based

[polar orbit]

[round kayak]

It's funny how plana sounds more mature in the kr dub

[copper crescent]

Plana is mature

[polar orbit]

i actually prefer how plana says my name in korean

[worldly sun]

Yours?

[polar orbit]

+2

[midnight river]

Mine

[worldly sun]

No it’s hers

[copper crescent]

Plana gives me pink envelopes so she is mature

[midnight river]

yours?

[round kayak]

true

[opaque dagger]

Plana gives you envelopes?

[worldly sun]

I already have mine

[copper crescent]

No

[midnight river]

I don't have plana yet

[worldly sun]

I don’t need someone else’s

[round kayak]

:pshm:

making arona lonely

[strange ridge]

Finally

I'm free from Iori farming

[west perch]

nice

[copper crescent]

Will we get yellow arona from deca

[worldly sun]

Um

Spoilers?

[copper crescent]

No it's speculation

[round kayak]

so we collecting the infinity stones now?

[copper crescent]

Idek if there's a yellow arona

[round kayak]

[covert spoke]

they already datamined ein in the shittim chest though

[copper crescent]

What rly?

[astral fern]

Wait what

[west perch]

still a dumb name

[astral fern]

What did I walk into

[covert spoke]

my source is i made it the fuck up

[west perch]

"shit 'em chest"

[astral fern]

You deserve 🦖 for that one

[round kayak]

would be nice if we recruit ein

[astral fern]

Ok Denosaur

[round kayak]

she's just adorable

[astral fern]

I heard your cries of roars

[copper crescent]

I think whoever tf came up with that maybe did not think of the game coming to English speakers

[worldly sun]

Shittim wood (acacia) is what the ark of the covenant was made from

[fleet narwhal]

who

[worldly sun]

It’s why it’s called that

[copper crescent]

Ooooo

[astral fern]

U

[echo oar]

acceptable

[polar orbit]

it's also what your mom called me last night

[midnight river]

Hi Denosaur

[copper crescent]

Loremaster Durgrith

[west perch]

this guy

[astral fern]

Hi Denosaur

[fleet narwhal]

wtf....

et tu ?

these kaijus are such traitors

[astral fern]

You are a traitor

Fr

[fleet narwhal]

hmm ?

but

8k pakeji is free

[strange ridge]

Is it even betrayal when you did it yourself?

[astral fern]

Ok Fast2Payeno

[fleet narwhal]

did what to myself

[fleet narwhal]

f2peno

[astral fern]

Fast2Payeno

[round kayak]

Sold your soul to pakejis

[fleet narwhal]

f2peno

[pale fractal]

28 elephs to go, maybe i can sweep more hard nodes

[astral fern]

Fr you are so Fast2Payeno

[strange ridge]

Denochierus

[round kayak]

forced2payno

[fleet narwhal]

a true free to play of gpd

thats me

[copper crescent]

🦕

[astral fern]

🦖

[polar orbit]

🐍

[round kayak]

🐊

[supple star]

everyone here so whel

[worldly sun]

Guys we’ve been reading it wrong the whole time. It’s actually a question

Free to play? No

[polar orbit]

me f2p

[astral fern]

Fast2Payeno is very whale indeed

[polar orbit]

f2pleft they say

[supple star]

[round kayak]

Hi whelse

[midnight river]

[astral fern]

Me can't whale me literally brick main

[fleet narwhal]

indeed

good thing I'm F2Peno

[round kayak]

Ah so you left the f2p status then, ssg whelleft

[copper crescent]

F2play discussion

[round kayak]

🦖

[astral fern]

Ok 🦖

[echo oar]

baris wrecked blue tor shirokuro, right?

[pale fractal]

why did i stop with satsuko at 3* last time.. now had to pay for it

[polar orbit]

i will have the only luna f2p clear on NA trust

[copper crescent]

Will wreck

Unless u have private server then sure wrecked

[midnight river]

We need the real whale (@)bearoftheunkown

[echo oar]

am I reading this wrong, or did it just run?

[round kayak]

|| did wreck actually but don't ask for source ||

[echo oar]

waaaaait duh

[round kayak]

[echo oar]

that was before baris

[copper crescent]

Before aaris

[worldly sun]

Bear is a full time honse now

[round kayak]

Bear lurks gph

He lives in the walls now

[fleet narwhal]

zeni

I know why you did

you did it for 3x normals

[polar orbit]

it was the last boss before steel continent iirc

[fleet narwhal]

after I told you not to

[echo oar]

yeee that makes sense

maybe it was the calcs people were talking about

[copper crescent]

It was

[west perch]

it was private server iirc

[copper crescent]

Aaris 1taps tor goz indoor

And sr and kr

And urban blue binah

[echo oar]

yeah surely she simplifies goz a ton

I can't imagine any way she doesn't

[west perch]

yeah I don't even plan to get qtomoe anymore

[polar orbit]

hi joe

[copper crescent]

And 1 taps indoor red/purple chesed

[pale fractal]

can we go back so i can farm more.. or why i didnt farm myuzu?

[west perch]

free hinata and aaris kei

[fleet narwhal]

you didnt farm myuzu for the same reason but because of 2x lmfao

after I told you not to do that also

[west perch]

definitely doing luna goz next time it runs

[worldly sun]

Worth

[fleet narwhal]

uh huh sure durian

[west perch]

and my sizuna is ue50 now too

although she's indoors

[pale fractal]

been doing 6x4x for satsuko now and shes closing in to ue40

[west perch]

i am free to do hards/comms now

[pale fractal]

i started at 0/100 3*

[worldly sun]

Haven’t needed higher than 3* in last year
Have needed gear in last year

[copper crescent]

Isn't eligma farm event next

[west perch]

it's mid card draw

[pale fractal]

no

[west perch]

no eligma

[proven dove]

I wanna farm mine but ep elephs farm is already full

[worldly sun]

Basically same here for both

[copper crescent]

Oh nvm

[fleet narwhal]

ye okay durian if you do tors only you barely need anyone

[worldly sun]

[copper crescent]

Wrong card draw

[west perch]

our next eligma farm is ninjas

[worldly sun]

This is how I deftly avoid the kaiju allegations
Unlike some…

[covert spoke]

nah magical girls is good too

[opaque dagger]

Time to roll 22/22 pogchamp

[fleet narwhal]

you have other ways of proving yourself to be a kaiju

like that nozomi of yours

[opaque dagger]

Wait it's 30 hits, not 22

[copper crescent]

What

[opaque dagger]

Nvm time to roll 30/30

[copper crescent]

I swear it used to be 22

[west perch]

wait

[opaque dagger]

Ye I dunno why calc shows 30

[west perch]

oh

she does more hits based on energy charge level

[copper crescent]

WOT

More energy lvl = more mald?

#💬gameplay-discussion message

Huh it's 2 energy lvls tho and 22

Why it 30 now

[mint sapphire]

22 26 30?

[copper crescent]

No the link i sent shows 22

[west perch]

i think that was old data

[copper crescent]

Maybe schale was outdated then

[west perch]

cuz brio also got changed

[true shale]

Will the AoE hits also strike the primary target too?

[copper crescent]

I see

No

[west perch]

I swear brio was only 6 hits before

[copper crescent]

Yeah

I remember 6

[mint sapphire]

maybe it wasn't implemented at first?

[copper crescent]

Maybe they changed them ingame

Probably

I don't remember rio hitting 19 times when I used her for missions

[west perch]

i dont have her so

[copper crescent]

Oof

[west perch]

19 hit on brio means stab/crit mald doesn't exist so I hope it's true

[copper crescent]

Nah they will find a way

16/19 sounds like a thing

[true shale]

I'm also curious if A.Aris' regular attacks will impact Kaiten's shield

[west perch]

she's 4 cost bruh

[copper crescent]

We talked about that too

[west perch]

a 4 cost DPS is going to get cycled so quickly

[copper crescent]

Either she breaks kaiten shield and doesn't do much dps in set

[untold tusk]

Ako at M/7/7/7 is fine for raids or not I upgraded eariler today

[copper crescent]

Or she doesn't break kaiten shield and her aa does dmg in set

[copper crescent]

Yes is fine

Good job

[west perch]

or the devs decided wording isn't consistent and she doesn't break kaiten shield and her aa doesn't do dmg in set

[copper crescent]

Or that too

Or

She does both

🦖

[pallid inlet]

Doesn’t break kaiten shield and does shit dmg in set

[true shale]

Btw, the upcoming Geburah TA didn't see any changes from the last one we had, did it?

[untold tusk]

I need Ako basic and or subskill upgraded more or not I do not have enough Gehenna purple notes

[feral jetty]

i don't think ue40 kuroko can do this...

[pallid inlet]

Not very significant changes

[covert spoke]

sub

[pallid inlet]

Just some reruns of geb units like skanna iwak

Not much else

[west perch]

just wait for aaris so 112 is free

[odd geyser]

a true free to play of gpd
thats me

[true shale]

I was thinking like mechanical changes

Nothing then?

[copper crescent]

No

[true shale]

Thanks

[round kayak]

It's pretty much the same raid

[covert spoke]

i guess the serina stuff was figured out and tested around this time

[untold tusk]

I read the skills and thought basic sounded good to maximum

[copper crescent]

All skills are good to max yes

But m777 is fine

[covert spoke]

most skills are better when levelled up

[copper crescent]

Conserve resources

[gleaming wren]

I'M FREE

[covert spoke]

but you care for damage more with 3* ako

[gleaming wren]

FINALLY FREE

FROM THE SHACKLES OF SSHIZUKO

[true shale]

"Serina stuff"? Is this about Geburah?

[covert spoke]

yeah ue60 b29 t10 neck tops lun heater

[untold tusk]

I could go buy purple Gehenna notes next TA

[round kayak]

Luna?

[true shale]

Oh, that's cool.

[round kayak]

Damm

that's pretty nice

[gleaming wren]

serina with a watch

wow

[copper crescent]

What

[true shale]

That's a big deal, yeah

[copper crescent]

Oh he edited

[true shale]

I do remember people mentioning that Geburah looked like it was balanced for T10 gear

[copper crescent]

Serina with watch would be rofl moment

[round kayak]

Don't buy mats in the TA shop if you haven't reached the maximum quota for your farmables

[old rose]

nah skip your unimportant farmables and buy mats

[round kayak]

I do hope T10 watch WILL make satsuki crit more

Fucking hell man

[dull lodge]

erm

chat

[covert spoke]

she guides others to a gift she cannot possess

[dull lodge]

is gear important for special student?

[true shale]

I don't think I'm doing Yesod, but I suspect I can clear Geburah on a budget, probably.

[old rose]

for dps/healers yes, otherwise just for stat transfer

(and for bulk on TS and summons i guess)

[covert spoke]

yes

[true shale]

To elaborate, stat transfer of 10% might imply that gear is 10% as important as it would be on a striker?

[dull lodge]

so snagi and kisaki what should I prioritize on?

[covert spoke]

both

[old rose]

can leave both at 1-1-1 if you're broke

[dull lodge]

I want to do chesed tor

[round kayak]

how much stat transfer do you need

[dull lodge]

both have t4~t5 gear

[old rose]

if you need more damage, upgrade their 1st slot for more ATK stat transfer

[dull lodge]

idk

[old rose]

go calc it

[covert spoke]

then give em 998

[true shale]

Try it first in mock and see if you fall a tiny bit short on damage. It might be fine.

[covert spoke]

or 995 if bulk is not a factor

[round kayak]

Just max kisaki first then snagi

You'll be using kisaki every raid anyway

[true shale]

Part of the reason we love these buffing characters is that they work so well with skeleton investments

[lilac solar]

finally, a reason to spend my bounty coins

the gorilla demands her skills to be raised

[round kayak]

When is the Sora update again? For bounty shop

[dull lodge]

hm

ok

[true shale]

If uncertain, then mocking first and upgrading after is best practice.

[pallid inlet]

Expected to be in June unless it’s added earlier

Also hello nezo

[round kayak]

Hello jerome

[pallid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-blue-archive-takanashi-hoshino-blue-archive-takanashi-hoshino-hello-gif-8822112002672416573

[round kayak]

Still on fest then

[pallid inlet]

Probably earlier

[untold tusk]

Is Kisaki and Ako both at T7 necklace enough for raids?

[round kayak]

I can feel it, they'll probably accelerate the update on magical girls

[pallid inlet]

Should be enough

[round kayak]

Trust the process

[pallid inlet]

Speaking of magical girls

[true shale]

Enough until at least Luna, surely.

[pallid inlet]

If I get both magical girls

I’m beating up f100 red set

[proven dove]

Enough for starters but always aim to max everything

[orchid axle]

Hi

Nezo

[round kayak]

I haven't pushed beyond F60 I'm red set yet

[untold tusk]

Is will be a while to max gears

[round kayak]

Hi aisha

[orchid axle]

[round kayak]

🚬

[pallid inlet]

I’ve made it to f65 last time

[round kayak]

I got stuck on F60 cause I was soshilet and dhinalet

[orchid axle]

Idk how much I balded tor porple

[round kayak]

[pallid inlet]

I’ve only managed to clear f65 because I was d hina let

[untold tusk]

You were a Dress Hinaless as well, Nezo?

[pallid inlet]

At that time

Now I have her

[old rose]

cleared f99 cuz i pulled band

[proven dove]

I tried it once (on ticket directly) cleared it and done with ga

[orchid axle]

I could never

[pallid inlet]

I found a cheap f100 red set clear

Which I could probably use to clear

[proven dove]

Setting up groggy with 1 team + using a 2nd team full of buffers & smika was the way for me

[proven dove]

Mreisa & msuzumi makes it cheaper apparently yeah

[pallid inlet]

Cheap enough that I could clear f100

[round kayak]

Didn't have soshi and dhina for almost a year lol

[pallid inlet]

The bare minimum is nezo d hina byoshimi borrow magicals

[old rose]

dont need dhina for set lol

any ball popper works

[pale dock]

lmaaaaoooo

[worldly sun]

Dhina is the easiest to have tho

[pallid inlet]

I picked d hina since I’d likely build her

[round kayak]

yeah, but she's pretty good for another sub DPS if you don't have any other built

[pale dock]

i threw

[untold tusk]

Dress Hina for Red Set are you certain about that?

[worldly sun]

Otherwise you need to build like snonomi which is kinda lmao nowadays outside of lun prep

[pallid inlet]

Very certain

[round kayak]

Use her ex for ball popping then just let her AA for the rest of the fight

[pallid inlet]

D hina is good in basically any red content minus maybe gaybruh

[untold tusk]

Dress Hina damage is from skill EX though yes?

[worldly sun]

You don’t use her ex except to break the orb

[pallid inlet]

Ball popper

[worldly sun]

Her aa dmg is still pretty high

[pallid inlet]

Her aa damage is decent

[old rose]

shes a decent body throw team for geb lol

[worldly sun]

Mg + high attack + many self buffs

She does about 1/3 byoshimi

[round kayak]

15m for Luna but uses csena lmao

if you built csena for last krkg then it's probably fine ig

[worldly sun]

Basically all mg naturally do decent aa

[untold tusk]

I will write on my notes then to skip Dress Hina when the recollection banner releases

[pallid inlet]

What

[dim frigate]

[round kayak]

Leave it

That's just how gea is

[pallid inlet]

True

Anyway

Apparently imine can survive f100 set

[old rose]

has anyone theory crafted a sichika team for greg

[untold tusk]

Will be in a year or 2
I am just writing notes

[old rose]

idk how her basic lines up with greg waves

[worldly sun]

Another wrong opinion

I’ll add it to my notes

[round kayak]

Uh oh I have to build dhina for red set then

[pallid inlet]

Wouldn’t you build d hina for an earlier raid?

[round kayak]

my quota is in the dust

[round kayak]

I'm trying really hard not to build her so I can save for Luna krkg lmao

[pallid inlet]

🦖

[old rose]

real

[pallid inlet]

Real

I wanna see if I can clear srkr red torment without building my d hina

[round kayak]

Just borrow

You already got soshi

Ez tor

[pallid inlet]

D aru crow malding

[round kayak]

Damm you still gonna do daru

😟

Oh right no chare

[old rose]

chare havers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1388423110755352667.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=psmh

[round kayak]

gws Jerome!!!

[pallid inlet]

Speaking of which

I have to build d hina for Jerome

Like it or not

[round kayak]

Just 5 tickets and a slightly dented wall and you'll have your 40m

[pallid inlet]

It might be possible to 1 pan red torment Jerome with ue40 d hina of my own

[old rose]

i got my 40m in peroro alr idc abt scorechasing anymore

[pallid inlet]

I’ll get my 40m on Greg

[untold tusk]

Is Dress Hina used more in raids than both Mikas?

[worldly sun]

Yes

[round kayak]

Wait if you are building your own dhina then why not borrow chare then for srkr?

[round kayak]

Dhina is used in every red raid, while yellow is a mixture of Mika and uneru

[worldly sun]

Mostly by the fact of being the only red fest dps
While Mika competes with uneru sometimes and smika is ga only lmao

Sometimes you might use a speedrun dps but you can clear just as well with dhina

[round kayak]

You'll use her along side wakamo and other purple dps

anyway point is don't skip dhina

[old rose]

yesod does not yet exist in global

[forest dagger]

am I bricked for skipping her two times

[worldly sun]

Well she won’t rerun again but she might get archived in 2 years

[forest dagger]

lmao

[worldly sun]

Yes

[forest dagger]

I chose not to

[worldly sun]

Then you chose 🧱

[round kayak]

If you can live without her then ig

[untold tusk]

It is what it is
I am bricks either way unless 8K + 6600 x3

[forest dagger]

yeah

I can live with it

[dull bay]

slacc on ta lock in on bondgathering

[worldly sun]

Btw unrelated but does deca world raid have the bond dmg bonus or is that not a thing for this one

[dull bay]

it does have one too

[round kayak]

Only the malkuth one

[worldly sun]

Damn not long to get b100 dhina then

[round kayak]

need to farm up kisaki's and snagi's bond to B30 before world raid

[junior charm]

Which stage for this

[worldly sun]

Any

But you can’t sweep

[obsidian heath]

chesed

[young lotus]

Its engrish

It means with unit that can summon cover

[worldly sun]

Skipping any fest is brick if you’d like to keep it simple

[obsidian heath]

it triggers on chesed for some reason

[echo oar]

you can find some neato comps when you exclude tons of units

[young lotus]

Just do like floor 1 chokmah twice with a cover

[round kayak]

Sadly half of that was available for rate up on 4.5 fest

[worldly sun]

But also none of those will have a banner next fest so you’re just hoping to get lucky

And mika is archive only

[echo oar]

msuzumi buffing in kaiten

[round kayak]

Man wished I had marina for kaiten

It's such a pain with neru

[untold tusk]

I am hoping to not get Dress Hina
I want to get UNeru

[round kayak]

still need to make her UE lmao

[echo oar]

she really feels like one of those units where you either have her, or you have everyone but her and borrow her

[round kayak]

Well next fest will be uneru and Rio rerun

[echo oar]

or be forced to throw another team or two to make up for it