#💬gameplay-discussion
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I need ta coins so much
Nah my 3pan is comfy
Torment I can understand at least
But I run out of steam very quickly on Geb torment without the full Satsuki super team
Since my Satsuki cannot hit 100 mil even
With 20 minutes of groggy mald
Mald in 2nd team after all ?
If my Satsuki is sandbagging at 80 mil at best it’s a problem and why I can’t do torment Geb
ye, gPina team
Finally got the 40,032 on a real run 
I need to groggy geb right after he spawns a pillar
sfubuki it
I have SFoob and CMaki but they both need UE40 for torment
I'm gonna try both gpina and satsuki for team 2, to see which is comfier

I heard cmaki ue30 is enough for torment
Spent three trickets yesterday trying to get it lol
cMaki is a fraud
Mm…well I’m out of ligma so I can’t rush 3* CMaki up there
comfy 4 pans like this don't even need those ice breakers
only ue30 for both, and neither are necessary for tor
Yeah if you get super team you won't need neither cmaki nor sfubuki.
less than 30 left 
hmm if i get a 3* it's 1/102 chance to be kisaki
I will save that since I do have all of that….
L2d meta :3
I’m worried about Maki surviving on that third team tho
Shame UAsuna won’t rerun anytime soon
I should've pulled cmaki tbh
i cant believe im resetting and malding for pulls
I don't even like her l2d tbh
And idk how comfy this is with that Satsuki team
Her damage floor is so bad
It's a blessing for me, since I'm pulling seia, I hope she won't rerun directly after jp fes.
Should be still comfy
Her key design is very cute. L2d is comfy for winter vibe :3
So I might be able to do torment Geb next time around but we’ll see
Imma take this and drop Maki for Mina for comfort tbh
Since TYuuka runs a serious survival problem in p2 Geb
If you do this rotation, you may want to avoid the mistakes I made at the end and bring down one more shiny.
If your Kokona somehow just cannot survive that laser, still use her EX and get the cost-down from her before she’s murdered.
With UE60 B. Hoshino you should be able to do even better.
I did 3 pan
Btw how awful is solo ice break UKarin on average…cause it sure felt awful to me when I tried it
It's awful
p1 | Mimori s.Kanna Koharu Maki Satsuki s.Fubook
p2 | Mari Mine Sakurako Asuna Iwak g.Pina borrow
But sometimes a necessity
4100 torment... only 891 to go 
I remember my skanna or tyuuka dying accidentally more often than maki in such team 3s
ah own satsuki
Well TYuuka makes sense and honestly 3* SKanna also makes sense, my SKanna is UE30 at least
My Akane had survival problems
this is probably what Im gonna go for
Yeah I don’t have a choice since I don’t have an icebreaker to pair with her on top of another striker healer
no dino tf
yes dino
Rumi cant even full heal heater after ice break for example
geb luna is free
she needs ue30 for that
why not the pina one?
The lack of striker healer is the worst part yeah but if you have S.Atsuko, isn't too bad
And that’s a real whale deal fr
hey if gpina is comfier I will go for it
I’ll rush her up more so she’ll actually be more usable
Since I missed grinding as much on debut
Pina p1 sucks
Same... she is only 3*
I’ll try Maki but I’d prolly like Mina to also help keep TYuuka alive if anything
Since TYuuka timing is much stricter without it
4* Reisa shouldn’t matter thankfully
自前サツキ・マキ・フィーナなし とっくに存在してそうなフブキ固有1での3凸動画
冒頭カットするの忘れた
1凸目を少し改修しました→https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L97ST3s_HU8 (限定公開)
参考元:
2凸目 SSR先生 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DoQ_-eJscM
3凸目 Triver先生...
But TYuuka needs to be able to survive fr
I could also use Azusa if I wanted comfier tbh, rather than Mina
But that doesn’t help TYuuka survive either
Mmm if you ask me, seems possible to swap Akane with S.Saki
How much defense down would be Reisa, Maki and S.Saki? Obviously, for the U.Karin team, Akane + B.Hoshi would be much better
Nah, Mimori it's pretty tanky, more concerned about Akane
Mimori has a bag so she’s a lot better
Akane yeah runs into trouble
Honestly I’ll use default Azoos on team 3 if I make the SSaki swap to Hibiki team
But Akane also means easier to cycle U.Karin since 2 cost
So it would be S.Atsuko > Akane > U.Karin > Mimori
could you explain how shes worse than satsuki ? i know less damage overall but not as bad with stability
Her dmg increases with the less %hp target havs
ah in that sense
it's a waste
ye the strat Zeni meant I think uses gpina as team 2
it's like running mika last instead of first
@pale fractal got the link to that strat
scroll up
suppose I'll just keep the stockpile up to 300+ then
oh lol
man I hope this shit doesn't happen on tix 
freaking Iroha team actually knocked down everything
you could forfeit early to avoid groggy
Also true but survival still
I was testing the timing to see if I could greed an ibuki
ye right, i do wonder how comfy itll be
I’m just making a plan now cause
Last Geb I tried torment for a total of like
15 hours before I gave up
Never had a successful attempt in all those mocks
I'm scared...
isn't that only like an extra 300k
Cause Satsuki being able to hit for only 200k total per ex is terrible lol
lmfao wtf is this bro 😭
why couldn't she be like this indoors
Satsuki needs to be hitting but she can roll so bad
Thanks to 54% crit rate, multiple hits, and 70% stab
shinaaa
Satsuki might be the best for but Geb she’s never comfy
my best with nyharuka was around 169.2
Well, seeing that G.Pina team, the rotation looks awkward
Chesed
purple. yellow red
i mean
iunno, it doesnt look awkward to me tbh
not that different at all
Purple. So I just SMika and SHanako it I imagine
On what difficulty?
so you can setup groggy or do the 1pan or the maldy 1pan
tor, ofc
wao, chesed is only 6.4m hp on ins?
that's 1EX 
I’ll prolly setup groggy assuming UE50 SMika is enough compared to the Binah wanpan
For the 3EX kill
40m chesed 
shanako power
Base Seia to tank I imagine
I can’t do CHare tho
At least prolly not
That’s the wanpan tho
So maybe I can just run this as the main core team for comfy 2pan then
i imagine most of the enemies die before they even get to do significant damage
this is shanako at near full power after all
shanako at D mood vs yellow chesed was already competitive
so imagine shanako at A mood vs purple chesed
I'll wanpan with eri
also smika's 2+0 cost cycling powering up shanako gauge twice 
True but if my CHare takes one hit she dies
It’s like if I brought Ui to Chesed
yeah people have been doing that
nice little slacc upscore today
the turrets die to 1 shanako ex anyway
It’s doable just, I can’t take a hit lol but generally it’s fine
i imagine you can do stuff like seia on chare to give her a shield too
Yeah this should be super easy then. Just to clear if not go for a high score
Could do albeit the shield is paper on a light armor.
But anyways it should be fine. This isn’t like blue where using base Mika was a trip and a half
man i wonder how much positioning mald it is
i'll probably be using my own UE40 smika and borrowing seia
it's so specific
hopefully ue40 smika isn't too much maldier
wdym trex emoji ue40 smika is for poor people smh smh
my smika is 0 stars 
what is a smika
maldleft
it's crazy how fast that is
I only have 4* Smika
Every time I decide to play a mock the game decides to give me goated damage 😭
yeah so is my seia
smika actually tanks for chare the entire time surprisingly
didn't you return after seia's run
yeah
65 remain
dang
riolet unerulet seialet
i'm fucked for any yellow raid
which sucks because yellow raids were my main raids back then
Eu is at last the 3rd HARDCORE server. We deserve respect for living in this scary environment
we deserve free stuff!

4th after jp kr tw
Eh fine
ue50 kazusa benched.........
i will never forgive uneru
you're ready for hod rerun
Still ! Eu scary !
if i get uneru rio spook next fest yeah!
actually no i still don't have ckot
oh
Indeed, we ought to get world raid as big as jp 
spook!
i've been praying for a ckot spook for years
Ue50 moe benched
i'm sure it'll happen eventually!
Since we are so hardcore
don't remind me
SMika UE50 should be an easy time
don't remind me how often she keeps spooking me
Mine was through eligma
But I might go comfy and use one SHanako p1 and then the SMika team
Shame I can’t use the whole summer tea party for the torment but eh
if you laugh you go to hell
does asia have bronze yet
at least my ue40 miyu is still the GOAT
only just got her recently 
kazusa didn't get bond gear yet so i'm still holding out hope
someday she will return to the top
okay they're not letting her be stronger than uneru but at least closer to her
Actually if I do an extra comfy 2pan
I could use SRoko instead for the main core team and then
I can use both Seias, SMika, SNagisa, SHanako lol
bronze looks better anyway aruji dono
we're 1k away from hc cutoff to silver
just realised I can just rearrange it so I don't even have to use kotori 
surely this just clears without much mald
oh, i might have to up imine a bit

Been forever since i last seen Denosaur
Special delivery?
erm
surely for binah lun....
what should I prepare for upcoming chesed
shanako
maybe I should t9 her?
now buff her and you got a clear
t10 ue60 her
ue30 shanako
Trinitea squad
my mikas will love this
ooo i should use my nagisa just for fun on red chesed
based pvp skipper
why bother putting on pvp
I'm broke rn
have you tried not being broke
I tried but the system failed me
damn
dhina is for red right?
for the core yep
ok
so many luna clears on asia 
I wonder which unit at the moment giving her ue50-60 is valid, and will be irrelevant and unthinkable to ue in a few years, like moe's case 
back to 20 thousand
You mean dps
hello jerome
that bneru is coming 👀
Yeah surely dps. Support units will still be relevant. Nykayoko will still be useful even after kei ;3
isn't your planner pretty dire though
any blue non fes dps
i mean there's always this...
hahaha I always forget
I wonder how aris can perform on blue chok with D mood
pounding medic, wheelchair hime, or sweet potato connisseur. Any of the 3 
I think maris did a good job being relevant until now. But yeah agreed.
Doesn’t do well
Which aris tho? Mecharis?
she did
plenty of R1 strats with her
Actually idk
bald aris
and we're done 
already gold now
GG +.+
Open ur bilibili tbf
But then again private server vid are often deleted ASAP

i finally got eri
but now poor
Hi poor
Am yoon
I'll wait for your review about it :3 especially if we're comparing it to goz lunatic.
practice was way easier but maybe there was too much to practice
less rng b/c there's no Goz p1
just skill issue
wait can qtomoe drag the peroro minions?
Would you say it's the hardest luna ?
Tbh I saw luna clearers complaining the most from kurokage then wakaboat 
But maybe they just got used to luna difficulty afterwards
comfy ins clear

Huh
stat stick 
but no
Release kurokage was fcking TREX
What did I miss this time
nah kkg wasn't that hard 
just get perfect groggy bro
easy every time
isn't kurokage getting sweeped by shanako
😟
I did torment and it frustrated me enough
wakaboat required less investment and only 2 annoying teams to learn.
with all the random cooking that I did for this raid, I put in more time for sure.
Kurokage definitely was harder b/c of random bullshit
I did 39.970 with UE30 cSena
💀
what is this madness

My nerves weren't strong enough to mald 40kk with iMari
tbf, a lot of those teams are just shiny hunt
I'd have dnf'd if those all needed 4 minutes
is wakaboat after chesed?
no it's gebby-chan
when's geb?

boat's much later
@true shale I cleared
After chesed
Next TA
I mean
like 4 TAs later 
in which month
Next month
💀
maybe insane geb is not for me
I was under the assumption you didn't put much time in it since you have the world raid in jp :3
Should've pulled for idols
I’m gonna uh
isn't idol in april?
Find a way
😔
Now the banners are screwed
I had today to actually sit down with the raid
Gotta farm s atsuko elephs ten
What happened ?
upcoming fes banner overshadowed other banners
Maho shojo -> Idol rerun -> dMichiru with old fes banner -> t.Yuuka with kisaki -> pre-fes limited -> fes
That's less than 3 months

Yeah
Poor rerun pullers
Imagine not having kisaki

Is it bad if I skip maho shojo for idols?
And dAko/Makoto + Seia/uAsuna reruns should be shortly after fes ends
I fear for the future x_x
closer to 4.5, not 3
we're not accelerating that fast lmao
when you start at seaside debut and you needed her 3* to clear tor 
Hmm...
exactly 3 months between maho shojo start and fes event start
oh, you mean from magigals onwards
Yes
That makes sense
The idea was about ton of must get banners in that short period
yep, the only solution is to have started earlier
I'd say idols are more important than magical girls.
If you don't have enough for both I'd say get idols and prepare for magical girls rerun :3
Poor wakamo/shoshi/mikaless people
Day 0
21k right now
Nah, day1 people have pulled for lots of trash
I might have to skip Mika at this rate
I know such person
Invested in s.Azusa right before 1.0 fes

So called "future proof dps"
I saw someone sparking rat in that era 
JP people wasting 300 to spark Midori

Ooof that hurts a lot loool
Sparking Hifumi and azusa banners
Spark was 300 at first
💀
It was a pain ye
I'm gradually clearing them
See your goals within a game and decide, my suggestion is the same as I said, get idols and prepare for magical girls rerun.
Especially don't brick your fes and pre fes banner for those.
I have only 3, nagisa toki csena
I only have 32/180 l2d

idol Sakurako's last momotalk was peak
Idk why haven't I cleared it earlier
Probably got l2d and forgor
ngl I'd whale for mecha aris and kei

180/183 
The same happened to me with smika, lucky girl has 5 momos
Prepare so you won't need to whale :3
Doesn't her l2d unlock with in the last momo?
Nope, she has another one after that
I need to roll who's momos I'll clear next
The last were iMine and nyFuuka
The latter was peak
I'm at 12.5k aronagems I'm not making it 
Are you pulling someone from now until then ?
Nyfuuka's momos are so much old history I cleared them when I was struggling in hardcore x)
mahous and idols

I'm supposedly good until fes where I go 56k in the negative
Uneru's momos are good photon 
I have 189 notification as an emergency fund :3
Rip
I let rng to decide
clear 2 each day
Prepare whaling plans :p
Fun way I guess :3 usually I do them from least likeable/relevant for me to my favourite students.
I mean I select the pool
Usually around 12-15 characters at once
And clear 2 winners
lmao, didn't see p2

600's a bit much, no
where recollec fes?
Me pulling for Takane: 
its not part of the planner?
:(
unless recollection uses separate tickets
i hope not
I truly hope that hiero is released in jp by tyuuka's rerun in global, so you know if you really need to pull tmari or not
going 200 only for her hurts although she's waifu
it uses regular tickets iirc
not the archive one

Her banner is too good overall
I would consider skipping tMari if she wasn't along Kisaki
But you already have ue40 kisaki
Getting UE60 in 500 ligma sounds aahh
ngl, I was wanting them UE60 specials at some points this raid

It's a bait banner at the end :p I get your point though
I'm still too blind to appreciate ue60 specials :p maybe luna will make me feel their worth more
My personal bait banner is Fuyu
I don't wanna s.Kanna story to repeat on my account
The bait banner is Miyo
alright yeah i'm skipping dmich likely 
Fuyu is good though
all-in on hiero
For hiero prep
Not getting s.Kanna offrate for almost a whole year
yep, I'm all-in on hiero and dropping srkr prep
Shrkr is screwed
sometimes you overflow past 10 for timing something
With waris skillset

I expect 500-700 mil shrk
they tend to make it just harder overall rather than HP bloat
I'll think about them when I feel I need the +1 cost, and not in a speedrun x)
see: peroro and -9999 on bubble
I feel the need for +1 cost
Go for it then 
can't believe I actually gotta see Hoshino use her NS in a raid where she resists
Idk what can they do to stop waris broken potential
Make shrkr immune to EX dmg maybe

definitely not that 
thanks guys
I think bloating hp for shirokuro is more likely than not
immune to EX dmg means baris AA doesn't even do dmg
hi chat
hello whelbasa
Hello
This is f2play-discussion
im f2p
imagine if shiro completely deletes boshi out of play


You’re welcome
i can't wait for yesod
wonder if I can reach my quota of 7m
whens next seia alt so i can reinstall and pull
tomorrow
today
Wtf
Hi Tsubasa
Hello
im just a normal casual player

hello Dajin
hello tsubasa
still can't believe Joe ended up being a
if I just sacc magigals, I can guarantee full hiero prep 
ay
dood i can't reroll with emulators

this might take forever
oh right, rabu doesn't really need 6x4x does she
1 kisaki every 34 rerolls isn't too bad
why are you using an emu bob?
my launcher kept breaking down

im not using emu anymore
oh good
3* is already fine, no need UE

the advantage of emu is that u have many windows at once
just like sichika
but they apparently disabled connecting to server with mumu
so I can't have 4 rerolling at once anymore ;/
Sooo
Youre rerolling in jp?
GUYS
what
what
the search for kisaki
OMFG
lmao
oh that's eu
yea eu
god its not even monday yet
lmao
eu almost there
peav, I cleared luna 
yikes, it's not even good for creds
why bald 40m when you can just 50m
hehe missing units
Dunno
Maybe youre something of a Peav yourself 
you did?? hell yeah man!
40m isn't even bald
why bald 40.06m
nah I don't have that much time on my hand like peav
having kisaki would save me so much time
wtf
we're witnessing a historical moment in gpd
but yeah like dajin im hopefully going f2p on jp
ssg 
my wallet isn't surviving jp
peak finish, how many teams?
11
dajin too pro for me, I can't compete 😔
Lun clear
bro's in a different league
🛐
Sorry I’m pleb had to 2 pan tor so I assume others didn’t even try unless they can 1 pan
2 aris 
1pan brainrot be too surreal
I mean not like everyone builds or has all the units
My borrow was d aru which is diabolical
nah ive seen a few peeps who have the ability to do so
apparently I have to reinstall jp launcher every 10 or so rerolls bc it kept crashing and kept being that way
b/c you're technically breaking ToS
there's tons of ppl who can but choose to slacc
I hope I crit higher than 40.20mil tonight
wait is rerolling breaking tos?!?
wtf
me cant keep being competitive and fomo at the same time so i slacc and quit 
wait are you just resetting acc
yeah
thats fine
o ok
I thought you were multiboxing emulator rerolling
multi instance?
oh that
running multiple emulator instances
I can't even do that anymore
I think past 10 is ToS
they won't let me in with mumu
damm
so 10 is the limit got it
I cant even run 3 at the same time
so now it's just rerolling one by one with the new launcher
im too deep into uma hole now
kisaki hasn't shown up the past 8 hours now
wtf
pls just lemme start with kisaki 🙏
thats some mega bald reroll you doing there bob
yeah...

i have unused jp account
seia bricked
there's only 2 ex buffers in the game, and one of them is limited
you think whelfumi doesn't have sseia
same
kisaki's kit is just so giga stacked
kisaki is much easier to use I agree
Why didn’t u use an emulator to reroll then play for real on the launcher
I can't login in the first place to reroll
Oh damn
🍨
u press start and 5s later it just shows malware detected
or smth unapproved program
idr the exact wording
Me getting her on my NA alt on S.Azusa banner instead of my Asia account

good thing my luck sucks on other alts
every 10 rerolls I have to download 17gb
Wtf
didnt get shina in 190 pulls
Just reset your account bro
either the launcher is *** or my pc, but I doubt it's my pc



What is blud blabberin about

rio is converting to communism
bigger number, better person
i kinda spend less time on alt now lol
Had to shut down 2 alts
fuck
boshino died
issue skill
The song played with Hina’s piano is so wholesome 
The 40.058 WILL BE MINE
I see.
If I had a nickel for each time I got a score of 40,011,280 in Perorodzilla Torment, I'l have 2 nickels. Its not much but what the fuck
Yesterday
And today

@mint sapphire add me when...
Y peav doing ext
fuck it i ball
I thought all peav alts are at tor lvl
Damn I just realized I used kisaki for every raid since I got her
Can't recall one raid where I didn't
fr use airi instead
it was sseia instead
It's just so peak
I wonder if one day gold is also going to be insane cutoff
Oh wait ur right
the mere thoughts fear me

Not even the chesed blue torment?
Perhaps you used Hinata there?
2 pan core?
I couldn't finish in one
wher 40m
As long as you can torment clear iys fine
Gpd 40m police department
Yeah I only do clears, no speedruns
I have so much hair it's getting hot
i dont have nykayo so 40m is not possible for me
Fair
Do you know? 39.93M is rank 11k in KR

Just a random thought and I can be utterly wrong: are they power creeping tanks?
I feel like in a raid you would need: crit damage, color effectiveness, dmg, Ex damage, and one special niche unit for cost down or defense down
if the tank doesn't provide more than just tanking, it kinda just isn't going to really make it if going for higher difficulty
as if tank needs more than tanking but also just utilities
I would say yes
back then you MUST use a tank
It depends on the content that you are tackling on
Natsu vs kanoe is one example
Kanoe lets you score higher than natsu on the one raid they're both best at
so why not breakthrough
it really be kinda crazy how they give natsu and kanoe same terrain and same armor type
please don't make power creeping too much of a thing 
it's like ptjuri and tsukuyo
I don't think tanks for chesed can be powercrept as much as you really need someone in the frontline
having a cost sub is hot nowadays
You'd still need both
so makes sense
And yes, Lunatic will make you need more options

Lunatic really is that be all solution rn 
istg hod i had to prepare 6 teams just to see i could end it with 4
I know this is beneath GPD high Luna skills, but I managed my Tor wanpan 🙏
If Torment already had Mika near out due to sheer firepower

Then clearly in Lunatic
And you're pulling bc u need more teams rather than you need kanoe to be able to clear
You can't muri muri your way in Lhna
I was dangerlous close to the cut off line
But my experience tells if you are under 3k, you are safe plat.
NA
Ah
2.7k is not smth u worry about in asia
I feel silly by even having tried the effing Kayoko comp. DAru is comfier.
okay
you guys have plat ?
it's 4am tho
😔
yes
ngmi
i need to sleep
i need to slacc

wake up
I am sure plat
Rip
Why 40m when 50m is free
Ssg kaijin talk

one day I will able to do luna
level 1 btw
one day...

I guess someone in your server decided to flex hard and said no need for good borrow
tsubaki 2* 🦖
Did you got it Dajin?
he did lunatic
@odd geyser Grats dude, you made Aris proud 
hm
mh
hh

hm
Will there be a rerun of the train event
someday I will clear Lunatic, but obviously not today. someday i will clear torment geburah
No, next will be immortalization
Or idk what "train" event you mean 
we've always used tanks for more than just tanking in the best of teams though
yep the highlander event
if you were to say that our newer tanks just do more, I'd say you're bring mistaken 
natsu survival is still way easier overall thanks to her sub, and her basic isn't nothing

thx for the reminder

Samething is going to happen to me for the next few heal related raids because no IMari

or T mari
did you record it? I find Luna clears fascinating
No I don't risk obs crashing steam client on tix
@odd geyser How many teams?
11
huh
oh oh, wow, lol
i thought steam had its own recording
and still found a way to squeeze the Aris clear
I didn't know 
There should be one
I used it to record my lunatic hod vid

I shaved mine down to 9
Did you upscore again
yeah, think I've had my fill malding the chicken now
When I finished, I saw you 1 boshi crit away from me 
I might try clearing again tomorrow but I swept today


Damn this session sucked 😭
Only a tiny upscore to show for it
It is what it is I guess
This is my first time in a long time actually reading the daily missions and they already removed the login at this x time

posting anything
is anybody aware of some resources that I can use to keep track of what raids are coming up and what characters I will need? e.g. how does the 5th anniversery event work? I'm on global but I saw something on x about raid levels A B C D
uhh the 5th anni stuff ask jp ppl cuz spoilers #💬jp-content 
oh noes
Little is better than nothing

UE60 Ako
whel

Lucky dog

Wait no, it was 3

My Ako was already ue40
Before archive banner pulls
And some dupes beforehand
lol i crit too hard koharu stood in front of kanoe
And she got the first hit of the laser?
Go where?
To hell
Is Endfield fun?
#💬off-topic ask there
No they are stupid


if you like playing another open world gacha then it's about what you'd expect, no?
they're all mostly the same following GI
midfield mentioned 
I defeated Geburah
3 borrows was relatively on difficulty C / Insane
Was definitely an interesting raid
seia please
thx dajin
Poor soul
Gameplay demo?
oh, nvm. it was ins
music on people judging animation on people smh
music on is immersive 😤
music on doesn't affect gameplay 
ex animations on literally makes you unable to do certain rotations
because there's a delay after every cutscene
skill issue 
it has a build up as if peroro was charging
There's a visual cue for natsu. Reisa can just fire right at the start
Idk the optimal kanoe
kanoe can use her EX real damn early

For kanoe it's mostly when peroro's eyes gets all crazy
I'm glad body throw at the end can be so easy
Does each proc of heal cleanse
no
I noticed the water bubble debuff disappearing right after using kanoe
















