Hold up ur cooking
#💬gameplay-discussion
covert spoke
should be able to use kether in pvp
copper crescent
Satsuki seems about as rare as ckot
And idols/uasuna supply aren't as high bc limited
So geb might take even longer than hod
odd geyser
😟
young lotus
Satsuki human rights
odd geyser
I mean
marble gust
damn this shit good
copper crescent
Technically you can hod with k*yoko borrows
midnight river
oh no guys i entered luna peroro by accident what do i do 
copper crescent
If jp is sweaty enough for that
covert spoke
damn this shit good
skanna not worth idt
odd geyser
Satsuki seems about as rare as ckot
nah
marble gust
skanna not worth idt
yea i just threw whatever on this
covert spoke
the jp are like 50% bee level
marble gust
gonna optimize
covert spoke
they love her
midnight river
oh i already had the achievement? 
copper crescent
Huh
torn thorn
that’s a new record
copper crescent
Oh hell naw im not putting that on roadmap
covert spoke
u can leave out bakane basuna
feral jetty
Technically you can hod with k*yoko borrows
kayoko borrow 
covert spoke
dajin do u have room on FL
copper crescent
Or are they actually running basuna
covert spoke
smisaki
torn thorn
I mean, I don’t see why basuna wouldn’t rerun
She was on the Jp banner
Like yeah she’s farmable and nobody should pull her
I mean
She WAS on the Jp banner right
covert spoke
idk was she
odd geyser
while all geburah students are f2p to own, I can't afford to ligma them!
gotta UE60 Aris and Kei
copper crescent
I used the gacha simulator to check
feral jetty
She WAS on the Jp banner right
she wasn't
covert spoke
shiyori ssaori bneru bkarin btoki bakane smisaki
copper crescent
Yeah so it's 6
covert spoke
thats 7
torn thorn
Btoki isn’t part of this set
copper crescent
shiyori ssaori bneru bkarin btoki bakane smisaki
Bro btoki isn't on there
torn thorn
odd geyser
dajin do u have room on FL
I can easily make room but you're better off joining the jp content club
copper crescent
Btoki is with gdd maids
covert spoke
only 6 then
odd geyser
ask in jpc to join
copper crescent
Good thing it's 6
odd geyser
it's a private club so you do need to ask
copper crescent
If it was 7 I would've been cooked
odd geyser
ping one of them in JPC
odd geyser
marble gust
fuken bug
fleet narwhal
K-K-Kaiju !!!?
steep vortex
when did they add frr floor clear 
fleet narwhal
when did they add frr floor clear <:NatsuStareFront:1316487649393119303>
like a patch or two ago
steep vortex
i see
covert spoke
shasumi might be my favorite ex to see used in pvp
feral jetty
iirc mreisa banner
fuck i'm gonna get exposed
marble gust
copper crescent
What miyu do
echo oar
ack, bneru's running with sarius
echo oar
I was hoping she'd get grouped with wildhunt
covert spoke
far too greedy
marble gust
im surprised i still got a fair amount of books
gleaming wren
the fuck do you mean i need another 120
covert spoke
slaccing farmables ssg
fleet narwhal
the fuck do you mean i need another 120
roll for her in archived banner
covert spoke
the pink fraud...
odd geyser
the fuck do you mean i need another 120
copper crescent
No
covert spoke
wym they were comedy
copper crescent
Waifu banners
feral jetty
i think i actually did spook her on archive banner is the worst part
covert spoke
pyroxene on archive banner is a cursed izumi combo
feral jetty
she won't leave me alone
odd geyser
we are the minority in gpd
hybrid halo
ye, sadly more ppl agree with it
odd geyser
we will get another hina fes
simple ravine
bagenners want their eye candy so we are losing 32% to 68%
odd geyser
our voice will not be heard
feral jetty
exclusive gph helpers channel?
hybrid halo
odd geyser
hybrid halo
nothing weird posted
simple ravine
theres also a secret channel for artists
hybrid halo
💊 Helper
copper crescent
🏥
candid gust
upbeat wolf
I just saw they announced a new package which gives archive banner tickets and it is said to be permanent. Does anyone knows more about this like how much it will be in USD, is it monthly or just one time.
odd geyser
gl college guy
lament gyro
odd geyser
🧑🔬 💻
echo oar
240 more than me
candid gust
gl college guy
ok unc
odd geyser
me in highschool
echo oar
you never used her in greg??
odd geyser
why dajin is so pro
i just shutoff brain for tor and 40m
if I think about what I'm doing, I get 39m
copper crescent
me in highschool
Is BA 18+
odd geyser
im 18
slate sky
Super senior
copper crescent
Imagine sensei is like 15
copper crescent
Students are like wtf r u teaching us
old rose
anyone know how much dmg these teams do in luna greg? want to compare them since I'm minalet
midnight river
anyone know how much dmg these teams do in luna greg? want to compare them since...
Your doing Luna greg?
old rose
will have more parts when it comes around
copper crescent
Minalet luna greg 😟
copper crescent
I doubt it but u can try
old rose
who allegedly outperforms minori by a decent margin
copper crescent
Ooo
old rose
i will have mine ssaki isak uasuna nagi imari bosh to name a few, so really just missing mina
zinc pebble
🤮
covert spoke
we slacc and we sleep
odd geyser
ako and ui comfy
odd geyser
240 more than me <:KoyukiStare:1149185819920322661>
together we slacc
polar orbit
anyone know how much dmg these teams do in luna greg? want to compare them since...
The minori one can do up to like 850m, but less bald would be like 650
covert spoke
surely
odd geyser
just borrow Ui if you don't have her. Why are you playing on hard mode
polar orbit
Oh they are both minori 
you tricked me. I mean the super team
old rose
yea I was wanting to compare the mina superteam with the without mina copesuperteam
polar orbit
It's quite a bit lower I know that much
Idk the exact numbers
It's okay though, s.misaki will 1pan
covert spoke
odd geyser
<:AronaJii:1341138418805243904>
average day as peav:
copper crescent
What about sichika
polar orbit
Cost regen might win out
copper crescent
Dajin is so f2p for this
snow portal
luna greg f2p raid
😭
odd geyser
Dajin is so f2p for this
copper crescent
Hmm seems like students who have 2 alts won't get a 3rd
polar orbit
for now
true scroll
copper crescent
wait dhina team does 300m in luna greg?
Bro what damn
true scroll
*if your trash hina is midogooni tier and you're bald as fuck
odd geyser
this is so f2p
that's what I've been saying lmfao
odd geyser
I mean, Saya cleans up easy
old rose
ts might be more f2p than krkg
polar orbit
that's what i said
odd geyser
lmao you know broco's gonna mald with kurokage again on rerun despite eye changes 
copper crescent
Still less mald
young lotus
I will never forgive it for its past crimes
Same for Hod
Same for Chesed
Same for Binah
odd geyser
Still less mald
raid becomes easier -> malders try to shave off time b/c of mechanics changes -> raid becomes mald
copper crescent
Breh
ripe mason
malders gonna mald
frigid oar
Greetings GPD malders
odd geyser
see?
young lotus
Im 51.3m right now
young lotus
opaque dagger
I have no way of doing Luna Kurokage cos I need a 2nd AoE healer that I don't have
odd geyser
born to mald
frigid oar
me 50,3
far too low
opaque dagger
Also, my Hanako Swimsuit UE40, too weak
idle rampart
born to mald
lovely mald
ripe mason
faceless in the lead this time
idle rampart
asia isn't built for this
odd geyser
faceless in the lead this time
if history teaches us anything, it's the last day thinker upscore
odd geyser
also
frail glen
hello folks
frigid oar
probably
but no one ever try
opaque dagger
Actually wait I forgor
opaque dagger
Forget healers, I don't have Kisaki, Luna Kurokage isn't an option
polar orbit
i can't do luna kkg until i spook himari
odd geyser
lmao nice kilo
young lotus
frail glen
@polar orbit How do you feel knowing that limited banners are going to get merged
I was going to skip s Arius
now I am forcing a spark reading all the momos
pale fractal
eyoo got the 45
opaque dagger
I wonder if Kurokage will have more Tor clears than Pelolo
polar orbit
<@911029972221698049> How do you feel knowing that limited banners are going to ...
i don't think it changed my plans. I don't think missing out on 20-50 neru bond stats is worth skipping 2 units + potential s.atsuko eleph
frail glen
i don't think it changed my plans. I don't think missing out on 20-50 neru bond ...
but imagine getting all 4 limited under 200
that means you can skip potentially 2 waves of banners in the future
the thought was too good to not hold on
which is why i am forcing a spark 
polar orbit
that would be crazy if you got all that
frail glen
1% chance, 99% faith moment yet again
polar orbit
only missing 2 units, but still not looking good
last ermine
eyoo got the 45
Whats the best substitute for the witch girl
polar orbit
natsu
opaque dagger
that would be crazy if you got all that
Want me to calc the odds? I assume spark reserved for Misaki Swimsuit
frail glen
only missing 2 units, but still not looking good
wait did you got Mari from limited scamtix
polar orbit
Want me to calc the odds? I assume spark reserved for Misaki Swimsuit
sure, i'm curious
polar orbit
wait did you got Mari from limited scamtix
no i pulled like a normal person smh
polar orbit
i need normal mine
frail glen
ohhhh I see
polar orbit
yes
frail glen
Will Bunny be spookable in Swimsuit banners
ye
polar orbit
and vice versa
frail glen
What I am curious about is that if the limited units will act similar like fest unit spook, or is the rate merged with the perma units
but again 50/50 right? you either ge it or don't
opaque dagger
So there's 90 spooks in Eri banner
This means there should be 95 spooks in those banners?
polar orbit
What I am curious about is that if the limited units will act similar like fest ...
it doesn't
opaque dagger
90 + Eri + 4 out of the 5
hallow plank
Will Bunny be spookable in Swimsuit banners
Kanon in CN server when D. Aru banner was merged with bunny banners:
“I’m gonna get D. Aru within 200 and get one limited!”
Reality:
Spooked B. Neru, dry-sparked D. Aru.
Arona:
“Wish granted, isn’t it?”
After story:
Spooked D. Aru in the very first ten-pull after that banner.
snow portal
supple star
marble gust
i still have mika uneru wakamo nozomi iori momiji thasumi junko smika for bodythrows
gonna aim for 15mil from all
polar orbit
even if i can field the eligma for this, i don't think i can get the gears in time
too many gears
polar orbit
wow is deno f2p now
marble gust
oh ive bought like 50k ep worth of bps
fleet narwhal
indeed always have been and now its time to cement it
fleet narwhal
oh ive bought like 50k ep worth of bps
...
I will ignore what i just read
because it hurt
brave totem
eyoo got the 45
gimme hw
fleet narwhal
why didnt you ue60 her zeni
brave totem
me borrow ue60
pale fractal
why didnt you ue60 her zeni
ye i sure can afford that
fleet narwhal
you have been farming ligma this event after all
wanton pilot
it might be about time i retire
Deno is no more 
fleet narwhal
havent been updated
i 2panned and will be kicked out of my club
it is what it is, time for this old f2p to pass on the torch
dull lodge
no way kether got murdered in 2 days
fleet narwhal
free the space for the youngins
marble gust
you mean 1 day
dull lodge
you mean 1 day
chesed is almost gone
marble gust
yes it was chesed today and its almost nuked
dull lodge
rip 🙏
pale fractal
no way kether got murdered in 2 days
theres 7 bosses for 7 day time limit, would be worrying if it took more than 1
fleet narwhal
wasnt kether the easiest of em all anyway
pale fractal
yeah
last ermine
Extreme pororo cleared easily imma try insane next
I keep losing Natsu super early but I’ve upgraded her now
opaque dagger
@polar orbit sadge, WolframAlpha does not understand this, imma have to write Python code to compute this
marble gust
rip wolfram
old rose
ask chatgpt they will know for sure
opaque dagger
Btw Duck, this is the probability of getting at least 4 out of 5 in 200, does this look right
polar orbit
<@911029972221698049> sadge, WolframAlpha does not understand this, imma have to...
you dont have to go that far lmao
hallow plank
<@911029972221698049> sadge, WolframAlpha does not understand this, imma have to...
Why so complicated?
Isn’t it just a classic binomial distribution?
opaque dagger
Why so complicated?
Isn’t it just a classic binomial distribution?
Ye but I want to know the probability of getting 4 out of 5 in 200 rolls
old rose
yea it seems accurate
hallow plank
Why so complicated?
Isn’t it just a classic binomial distribution?
Ignoring spooks of other non rate-up pick-ups, I mean.
opaque dagger
Oh this one accounts for spooks and everything
Duck gave me the base formula for getting 2 in 400 rolls
I just extrapolated this to 4 in 200 rolls
echo oar
you talking about getting both bunnies and both sarius?
echo oar
haha idk what I'll do if bneru comes early
idle rampart
wait that means
if I can get
SMisaki and Shiyori from rolls
i can get bneru as well
worthy charm
they should merge ritsu into the next wildhunt event smh
idle rampart
well best case scenario
hallow plank
Ye but I want to know the probability of getting 4 out of 5 in 200 rolls
Do you want exactly 4 or >= 4?
The probability of getting exactly n rate-ups in 200 pulls is very straightforward:
(200 choose n) * 0.007^n * 0.993^(200-n)
odd geyser
it's annoying b/c they're counting spooks too
hallow plank
And getting 4 or more means 3 or more rate-ups.
echo oar
tbh I'd just call it a 0.74%ish rate to get what you want, constant
if you're counting spooks
old rose
The probability of getting exactly n rate-ups in 200 pulls is very straightforwa...
your odds of getting a rate up is not .7% because spooking a different limited counts as a "hit"
echo oar
it won't be exact, but it's close enough
marble gust
anyone asia has built fuuka?
odd geyser
it won't be exact, but it's close enough
after a certain point, do you really need the precision fr fr
worthy charm
just make a pull simulator and run it like 100000 times and see the probabilities this way at this point
echo oar
after a certain point, do you really need the precision fr fr
engineering 
old rose
yea
but its a reasonably fun brain teaser to find an exact formula
at least from the perspective of a math major
tall glacier
worthy charm
hallow plank
I was a liberal arts major. 
frail glen
that being said 50/50
opaque dagger
at least from the perspective of a math major
Yo, never thought I'd find a fellow Math major here
crude sable
Its always 50/50, either you get the unit you want, or you dont
polar orbit
so true
echo oar
Yo, never thought I'd find a fellow Math major here
applied math here
frail glen
wtf so many math major
old rose
67
polar orbit
67
untold tusk
67?
worthy charm
67
frail glen
opaque dagger
So it's 6.74% of getting all of them
crude sable
That number haunts me everytime I start tor pero 
polar orbit
those are good odds
opaque dagger
Honestly, not really that bad when you sit down and think about it
untold tusk
Good odds indeed
echo oar
say whaaa
old rose
also, if we're being real real, we should account for the fact that ur only doing 10 pulls, so can't swap banners immediately after each hit
marble gust
@lost shell got built fuuka? 
lost shell
no
marble gust
np
orchid axle
1 pan finally happened
frail glen
That was actually so easy to implement, less than 5 mins, your odds are bad
you see that is how unoptimistic people see
the real optimistic minds see 93.7% of getting all spooks
opaque dagger
Spark is reserved for Misaki Swimsuit
echo oar
ohhhh
marble gust
didnt know you liked flat
opaque dagger
But this also doesn't account "what if you spook Misaki Swimsuit beforehand"
opaque dagger
didnt know you liked flat
This is for none
marble gust
oh
opaque dagger
I already have Hiyori Swimsuit
marble gust
🗿
echo oar
yeah my approximation got 6.3% chance for 4+ haha
opaque dagger
yeah my approximation got 6.3% chance for 4+ haha
Thank you for sanity checking, so at least even if I'm wrong to a certain degree, the approximation is close enough
I won't lie, I was expecting sub 5%
This is better than I thought
old rose
you have better odds of hitting rateup in a 10 pulls btw
marble gust
oh i almost forgo to sweep tor
opaque dagger
So it's still 3% on the 10th roll
Actually, the 10 roll doesn't even matter here
Cos it's 3% for 3* no matter what you do
echo oar
uh
old rose
no i meant like the odds of hitting rateup in a single 10 pull is larger than the odds of you hitting all 4+ in 200 pulls
echo oar
yeah that
old rose
but only slightly lol
opaque dagger
Ah, that
pure haven
echo oar
oh speaking of low chances
opaque dagger
But see, what are the odds of hitting rateup in a single 10 pull 4 times in a row?
echo oar
I'm glad my simulator shosh pull didn't curse nezo
tall glacier
Oh, bayes theorem
polar orbit
also, if we're being real real, we should account for the fact that ur only doin...
you're evil
old rose
i'm being realistic
polar orbit
evil
opaque dagger
In practice, that doesn't really matter
All that much
But if you want
I can just change the summations to be increments of 10
LOL
old rose
if you want the best odds of getting as many of them as possible, then you should only do singles to avoid doing extra pulls on a banner you already hit
odd geyser
hallow plank
Actually, the 10 roll doesn't even matter here
It matters because you’re supposed to switch banners immediately after getting a rate-up on a one-pull.
Otherwise you risk wasting your luck on a duplicate rate-up.
frail glen
it is crazy how I learned binomial distribution so many times
but I always forget everything about it in a span of 2 weeks
old rose
I can just change the summations to be increments of 10
you can't, cuz if you hit on the first pull of a 10 pull, you don't account for the spook odds of a different one, or two, or three, within the remaining 9 pulls
opaque dagger
you can't, cuz if you hit on the first pull of a 10 pull, you don't account for ...
It's nested summations
odd geyser
just say the odds are shit 
polar orbit
if you want the best odds of getting as many of them as possible, then you shoul...
this is certainly an idea
odd geyser
what banner is this anyway
old rose
sarius and bnnuy
opaque dagger
Wait that infinitely becomes more complicated
Cos what if you get 2+ of the 5 in a 10 pull
old rose
Wait that infinitely becomes more complicated
thats what I'm saying
hallow plank
what banner is this anyway
old rose
i dont think a closed formula is easy to find
odd geyser
just simulate and average
hallow plank
just simulate and average
Monte Carlo!
old rose
it is much easier to just sim
opaque dagger
Why are y'all also math people kekw
odd geyser
#game-theory
polar orbit
thanks for watching
idle rampart
probability at the end is just luck
tall glacier
Monte carlo needs a very large number of sims tho
opaque dagger
Just repeat the 200 roll sim a million times
Actually runs very quickly
The hard part is writing the simulation of doing 10 pulls and swapping banners accordingly
hallow plank
Why are y'all also math people kekw
(Because Kanon-chan once had a crush on a maths major during her university years, so she taught herself maths and programming just to have more to talk about.)
odd geyser
😟
idle rampart
would you win
echo oar
but you gotta factor in the moral dilemma after all this
if you didn't roll past the free 100 on the first sarius run, you'd be betraying past you by doing so if you get the bunnies in 100
old rose
ok but to be really honest, it also depends on how the BA gacha system generates randomness, cuz if you're simulation is different then your numbers will be inaccurate
and I don't think the BA gacha system uses true randomness cuz thats expensive
odd geyser
i picked a different fight and lost
tall glacier
The hard part is writing the simulation of doing 10 pulls and swapping banners a...
Saving the result as a variable and writing a conditional probably wont be that difficult
opaque dagger
We assume simple psuedorandom libraries
frail glen
so basically, i should do 200 singles
I like the way you think
opaque dagger
Outside of greeding the guaranteed 2*
Singles actually is no different from 10-pull
hallow plank
ok but to be really honest, it also depends on how the BA gacha system generates...
Yeah, some random number generators have weaker statistical qualities.
echo oar
the guaranteed 2* matters a decent bit for ligma gains though
old rose
"marginal" eligma loss for something like +.1% odds
odd geyser
and I don't think the BA gacha system uses true randomness cuz thats expensive
while true, surely they're using decent rng
snow portal
Surely
echo oar
you're sacrificing like 150+ ligma over 200 pulls if you do singles?
snow portal
tall glacier
Has statistics gone too far...
copper crescent
and I don't think the BA gacha system uses true randomness cuz thats expensive
True randomness doesn't exist in code afaik
old rose
you're sacrificing like 150+ ligma over 200 pulls if you do singles?
we should calc this too
old rose
True randomness doesn't exist in code afaik
this is true
odd geyser
True randomness doesn't exist in code afaik
it does with external hardware - that's why it's literally expensive
frail glen
you're sacrificing like 150+ ligma over 200 pulls if you do singles?
you see, under quantum science
if we only do 10x, we are stuck with the assumption that everything including eligma reward and rate upsstems from the 10x environment
the 1x may prove otherwise, as different environment proposes potential changes
copper crescent
Yeah i remember ppl using lava lamps for security
old rose
but maybe nexon has a legion of quantum physicists they can observe the spin of an electron from in real time for every pull
frail glen
Yeah i remember ppl using lava lamps for security
cloudflare
lmao
I doubt lava lamps are truly random
snow portal
Quantum Physics just to optimize your gacha pulls. What are we doing
frail glen
Quantum Physics just to optimize your gacha pulls. What are we doing
we are all millenium students at heart I guess
young lotus
Y'all are just gamba addicts
odd geyser
we should calc this too
that's a function of student count
young lotus
old rose
oh true
covert spoke
simple ravine
copper crescent
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1031915219926138940/1254148955802177647/headpattimeYUKARI.gif
summer dew
just pull who you want 
opaque dagger
Look, my Millennium label is not for show
old rose
what if u dont have all 2*s
opaque dagger
I am math comp sci person irl
old rose
marble gust
simple ravine
wtf 200 singles is optimized pull strategy
copper crescent
I feel like most of gpd is math comp sci
polar orbit
100 ap for satsuko
tall glacier
that's a function of student count
Wont each spook have a chance of affecting this count too and lead to additional branches
covert spoke
we out here crittoileting arona
tall glacier
copper crescent
wtf 200 singles is optimized pull strategy<:YukariSmug:1233380531257741414>
Yo what how
simple ravine
so basically, i should do 200 singles
odd geyser
Yo what how
only in this extreme scenario when you're optimizing for pulling 4 characters on banner
marble gust
aight im kinda fucked
copper crescent
Ahh
frail glen
aight im kinda fucked
are those..... crocs?
copper crescent
Tbh it's anything more than 2 chars on banner
polar orbit
no they are aqua sandals
opaque dagger
If you are going for multiple banners in the same week
worn rapids
aight im kinda fucked
equipment grind claims another victim
copper crescent
Nvm it's anything more than 1 banner
opaque dagger
Honestly, negligible for the most part if you ask me
marble gust
oh she appeared herself
copper crescent
Minmaxing is for 2 banners as well
polar orbit
2 minutes of this 
copper crescent
Suppose u do a 10 pull and got the rate up on the first one
opaque dagger
alright guys time to do the daily peroro
I am not doing daily Pelolo at 3am
copper crescent
U basically just lost 1080 pyrox
snow portal
https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-sensei-gif-11902604194440307830
Today's L2D roll is brought to you by the letter C for Chihiro!
copper crescent
Think about it
covert spoke
the time it takes to do 200 singles buys u a 6600
copper crescent
So on average single pulls can save you 600 pyrox
frail glen
yay I finally got rank 9 on all lesson areas
which one should I upgrade to rank 10?
schale related ones right?
copper crescent
Idek man
polar orbit
just go where the eleph goes
copper crescent
Yeah
quiet raft
yaaay
snow portal
Today's L2D roll is brought to you by the letter C for Chihiro!
1/5 bnnuy today
quiet raft
I finished area 29
copper crescent
I think I might do single pulls from now on
severe steeple
Oh you all talking about pulling singles for pyro saved
quiet raft
now I should read the story
copper crescent
Saving average 600 pyrox might be the play
severe steeple
It's really tough, I do it because it's more efficient but goddamn it takes so long
odd geyser
I think I might do single pulls from now on
it's suffering bro, you refresh for that kinda ligma anyway
worn rapids
doing single pulls would kill me
frail glen
just go where the eleph goes
any shortcut?
all locations only works for the specific area
severe steeple
usually I give up at about 130+ because I'm probably gonna spark anyway
worn rapids
id lose the pyrox because i'm lazy
polar orbit
any shortcut?
all locations only works for the specific area
wdym
frail glen
wdym
i sthere a way to see ALL locations and ALL students in those areas in a single screen
polar orbit
no
frail glen
quiet raft
doing singles is good but.... pulling singular 200 times? at that point you are dead in bed melting into it
hoping that you can save maybe some 120
frail glen
doing singles is good but.... pulling singular 200 times? at that point you are ...
sounds like a great way to fall asleep ngl
copper crescent
hoping that you can save maybe some 120
No, you'd save 600 pyrox on average per banner
odd geyser
sounds like a great way to lose your AP hoard
copper crescent
It stacks up
hallow plank
doing singles is good but.... pulling singular 200 times? at that point you are ...
If it turns out to be a dry spark, your heart is broken 200 times instead of 20 times.
odd geyser
lmao so she mogs rio in tetris
tall glacier
So you refresh on events but wont spend pyros for eligma, interesting trade
polar orbit
bond gear time 
tall glacier
severe steeple
I usually single pull while doing other stuff
Like bringing in the washing or something
copper crescent
And if ur super lucky, u save 1,080 pyrox every banner
frail glen
oh no.....
odd geyser
rio rage quit
copper crescent
U basically save almost a 10 pull every banner if ur rly lucky
dim frigate
its time to reroll
odd geyser
copper crescent
I lowkey feel so unhinged rn
severe steeple
can I have some credits?
Sure if you have a UE60 bond 50 LB 25 Bhoshi
pale fractal
free rolls scamming again.. was so happy to see purple envelope but ofc rate up is a lie
copper crescent
I get a lot more purple envelopes lately but seems like less rate ups
And more dupes
odd geyser
speaking of purple envelopes, do you all believe
polar orbit
no
copper crescent
No
covert spoke
sorry dajin
severe steeple
I want to believe
copper crescent
I want to believe but I learned time and again it isn't happening
marble gust
ugh
odd geyser
snow portal
1/5 bnnuy today
Lesson elephs
tall glacier
I believe the only constant is suffering
marble gust
@west perch do you have built fuuka
odd geyser
odd geyser
only 150 without a single purple
copper crescent
Wtf
covert spoke
idk
dim frigate
the pendulum always swings back eventually
snow portal
Lesson elephs
NY.Kayoko borrow fell off. Who so I swap her with gang?
hallow plank
speaking of purple envelopes, do you all believe
severe steeple
I can't bring myself to pre-pull on free 100 because I've had 4 instances of getting both in the first 100
copper crescent
Oil prince 🦖
odd geyser
cool chesed is still alive
opaque dagger
Atsuko Swimsuit prep
echo oar
No, you'd save 600 pyrox on average per banner
just for complete clarity, you'd save 540 on average, not 600
copper crescent
just for complete clarity, you'd save 540 on average, not 600
Wait rly
steep vortex
finally hit round 20 in dice game
covert spoke
540 pyrox for 150 ligma
odd geyser
I can't bring myself to pre-pull on free 100 because I've had 4 instances of get...
only time that happened to me was on DAko/Makoto banner but it was fine since I needed Iroha eleph anyway
covert spoke
thats like
snow portal
NY.Kayoko borrow fell off. Who so I swap her with gang?
No cubes 🥀
echo oar
yeah since you save between 0-9 pulls
copper crescent
Ooooooo
covert spoke
thats like 2nd 3xing for 50 ligma
echo oar
yeah it's huge
copper crescent
Damn how'd I miss that...
covert spoke
thats not worth...
echo oar
not worth it, just from the eligma factor
tall glacier
polar orbit
two more laps... looks like i'll finish right on time to start hoarding
echo oar
if you've ever refreshed for a ligma farm
your values say that you shouldn't single-pull
copper crescent
Not from a ligma factor but more pulls overall
dim frigate
shes almost at the finish line
snow portal
No cubes 🥀
SCAMMED AGAIN
echo oar
you lose pulls when you 3x for a ligma farm too
tall glacier
Not from a ligma factor but more pulls overall
Then you shouldn't refresh on events if we follow that argument, since they yield things less valuable than eligma?
frail glen
reminder guys, don't forget to switch to mode 2 before entering peroro
guess who made the mistake again
echo oar
the argument is: would you do 30-pyro refreshes if they got you 7+ eligma each?
supple star
not me cause shes always in dps mode
echo oar
if you would, then you should 10-pull instead of 1-pull
supple star
echo oar
oh right, 2* rate is 18.5% actually
polar orbit
only about 12 more hours left to collect and spend your cafe before giga hoard starts
dim frigate
ny.kayako will not troll me today 
covert spoke
would u buy a 6600 that gave 2k eligma
odd geyser
echo oar
okay so on average, doing 1-pulls instead of 10-pulls loses you 141.3 eligma in 200 pulls
severe steeple
the argument is: would you do 30-pyro refreshes if they got you 7+ eligma each?
So what if you did both? did only 1-pulls and used the 540 pyro on average you saved to 3x refresh on eligma farm?
covert spoke
then you would be logically inconsistent
echo oar
yeah
polar orbit
oops i accidentally just bought out the entire normal shop
severe steeple
why?
odd geyser
would u buy a 6600 that gave 2k eligma
never
echo oar
cause 3x refreshing on an eligma farm says you value 2 eligma over 30 pyros or whatever the farm ratio is
copper crescent
Depends on whether the eligma farm is better than the eligma you'd have if you 10 pulled
polar orbit
why?
i usually filter by artifact -> select all -> buy, but i did the filter too fast and missed the input so i ended up selecting everything
slate sky
Guessing the cutoff will end a bit above 4k
frail glen
what a great moment to start a day
copper crescent
Lmao
severe steeple
Depends on whether the eligma farm is better than the eligma you'd have if you 1...
This is the calculation I want someone else to do because I'm too stupid and sleep-deprived to do it myself
echo oar
you know, it's actually kinda close...
hold up I'm trying to make sense of this calculation
tall glacier
there's different eligma farms out there
copper crescent
Isn't eligma farm like 2.8 smth
tall glacier
If we are using events
odd geyser
what interpreter is this btw
copper crescent
Depends on the event ofc
odd geyser
nice
quiet raft
No, you'd save 600 pyrox on average per banner
what?
echo oar
I'm literally only using it cause windows 11 decided to remove the calculator for whatever dumb reason
copper crescent
Not 600 sry
odd geyser
dunno if it's good tbh haha
I was just surprised to see you using ^ and it not meaning xor
quiet raft
it's 120 per recruit
echo oar
math functions, no code at all
copper crescent
it's 120 per recruit
Yes we know
quiet raft
1200 for ten pull so just 120 times ten
severe steeple
Losing 140 eligma for only doing 10 pulls seems kind of high
odd geyser
I'm actually kinda worried about this AToki farm
copper crescent
1200 for ten pull so just 120 times ten
In the 10 pull, the rate up can be anywhere from the first pull to the 10th pull
quiet raft
are you trying to say everyone wins at 6/5 pulls before pity or something?
oh
well, that's true, but it won't likely happen
odd geyser
oh the bp weekly point limit is higher than what we had on global
copper crescent
So at most you save 9 pulls, or 1080 pyrox, and at least you save 0
Which averages to 540
tall glacier
there wasn't an assumption of rolling to 200 right?
copper crescent
Which is why we're having this argument
quiet raft
cope mathematics
odd geyser
crit mathematics
echo oar
oh I was thinking of the wrong thing when I did that calc
copper crescent
there wasn't an assumption of rolling to 200 right?
No bc u save 540 on average regardless of how far u go
frail glen
DUDE WTF, YOU THE PERORO LASER WENT ALL THE WAY TO NY KAYOKO WHEN SHE IS NOT EVEN CLOSE
she was ther
echo oar
so doing 1-pulls over 10-pulls says you value 540 pyros on average more than 141.3 eligma on average
frail glen
like it was across the map
copper crescent
If u got the rate up in 1 pull out of 200, then you save 1080 doing single vs 10 pull
severe steeple
so doing 1-pulls over 10-pulls says you value 540 pyros on average more than 141...
How did you get the calculation of 141 eligma?
quiet raft
the guaranteed goldie
copper crescent
Idk if it would even be 200 pulls since average rate up is like 1/143
echo oar
eligma from 10th pull if you did it as a 10-pull or a single
removing 3* chance entirely, since it's the same in both cases
copper crescent
So you'd use 140 vs 200
pale fractal
I'm actually kinda worried about this AToki farm
worried with what?
echo oar
but yeah, valuing 540 pyros over 141.3 eligma says you wouldn't do 540/30 = 18 refreshes to get 141.3 eligma
but every single eligma farm has been worse value than that
covert spoke
ur all stupid
echo oar
so if you refresh for eligma farms, your logic is inconsistent with wanting to do 1-pulls to save pyros and lose eligma
pale fractal
you can get ue40 toki with 0 refreshes if you ignore rest of the shop
echo oar
that too!
opaque dagger
Wait, I just realized
odd geyser
worried with what?
it only lasts a week
echo oar
we're discounting 2* farms
copper crescent
Well it wouldn't be 141.3 eligma bc you would go to 140 instead of 200 on average
odd geyser
you can get ue40 toki with 0 refreshes if you ignore rest of the shop
but that gives me hope
quiet raft
I am saving my ticket
slate sky
it only lasts a week
Whoa thats way shorter than vol f world raid
slate sky
Conquest
opaque dagger
Chesed ticket should last till Magical Girls right
polar orbit
it does yea
echo oar
Well it wouldn't be 141.3 eligma bc you would go to 140 instead of 200 on averag...
truuuue, but at this point, my brain is overloaded
copper crescent
Same
odd geyser
Whoa thats way shorter than vol f world raid
can't believe mika propaganda still going strong when UNeru's doing 3/4 of the yellow raids rn
covert spoke
my dad works for nexon and said that chp2 involves netzach revealing its thrusters and becoming netzach: aerial fortress city
odd geyser
my dad works for nexon and said that chp2 involves netzach revealing its thruste...
lmao I could see it
why else aris gotta fly
echo oar
I guess the last thing I'd say to that is, even if you get your rate-up in 100 pulls on average, it'd still make the eligma loss 70.65
copper crescent
98.91 eligma instead
opaque dagger
can't believe mika propaganda still going strong when UNeru's doing 3/4 of the y...
As long as Chesed exists, Meeka will forever be relevant
echo oar
haha I'm just thinking if you happen to get lucky
quiet raft
Pt 2 isn't a surprise
will save it for...uuuuuh, I think M suzumi if she is in february, or will throw it at random at Hiyori S if not
odd geyser
As long as Chesed exists, Meeka will forever be relevant
I have an SHiyori in my borrows
covert spoke
shiyori better field
frail glen
why had
echo oar
and even then, the ratio's in favor of 10-pulling
frail glen
covert spoke
1:09 binah
echo oar
if you want to refresh for ligma farms
opaque dagger
I have an SHiyori in my borrows
I guess for Field Chesed
quiet raft
why the hell did my message had a reply?
copper crescent
I see
opaque dagger
But Indoor Chesed?
quiet raft
smh my head
snow portal
Only 2 days left of farm
It might be time to pick up the slack on boots
odd geyser
I guess for Field Chesed
nah, I think it's just waifu flex
copper crescent
Ty for the good calculations
polar orbit
will save it for...uuuuuh, I think M suzumi if she is in february, or will throw...
this ticket doesnt last to magical girls
echo oar
sure thing!
covert spoke
@odd geyser there was stuff for binah where she was best
echo oar
but yeah, the argument hinges on whether you think 3x for ligma is worth
covert spoke
but also mald and also no leaderboard
copper crescent
Tbh idek how far the rabbit hole of single vs 10 pulls go
odd geyser
what was Mika's best time?
slate sky
can't believe mika propaganda still going strong when UNeru's doing 3/4 of the y...
Guaranteed crits
quiet raft
this ticket doesnt last to magical girls
covert spoke
idk but shiyori had possible 1:09 ithink
echo oar
cause 10-pulling gives a higher amount of ligma for the pyros spent than what you get from refreshing on ligma farms
odd geyser
genuinely, UNeru felt way easier than Mika 
severe steeple
After all this I'm still gonna do single pulls anyway as I don't AP refresh much on either account 
odd geyser
idk but shiyori had possible 1:09 ithink
covert spoke
the answer is u need both of those more than you need pulls
odd geyser
you're saying Mika did faster than that?
quiet raft
UNeru is kind of depends on the hp
covert spoke
oh no i think shiyori was fastest
quiet raft
mika better if boss fatter
snow portal
Only 2 days left of farm
It might be time to pick up the slack on boots
How's y'all normals farm going or did you guys drop for ligma farm
quiet raft
i think?
covert spoke
so maybe thats why ur shiyori borrow was still there
quiet raft
my mika did better at beating up the shupos
odd geyser
It just feels so bad hitting the boss with Mika when it's at low hp
copper crescent
It's just my rng has been so bad lately that I was thinking I could sacrifice some eligma for more pulls
opaque dagger
cause 10-pulling gives a higher amount of ligma for the pyros spent than what yo...
This will now be my argument for not refreshing on Ligma farms, tq for doing the heavy lifting
covert spoke
🧱
copper crescent
And having more chars might be better than having more eligma
covert spoke
u dropped this sir
quiet raft
How's y'all normals farm going or did you guys drop for ligma farm
you mean Rena's spool?
echo oar
This will now be my argument for not refreshing on Ligma farms, tq for doing the...
lmao that's kinda the argument I've made comparisons to when talking about pulling for 200-eligma dupes
tall glacier
This will now be my argument for not refreshing on Ligma farms, tq for doing the...
Sir that's a whel argument
odd geyser
worried with what?
I doubt this farm is ever rerunning btw
quiet raft
I don't know if it's worth farming items for gifs, nyeh
echo oar
it's why I'm seriously considering doing 400 next fes for 200 bosh/kuro elephs even if I get kei+aris in 200
polar orbit
the momiji event seemed worth it to refresh, since the rate was like 2.4 eligma per 120 AP on average. Since then, I dont think a single other ligma farm has reached 2.0/120
pale fractal
i dont see ue50 happening.. refreshing tix is kinda expensive
but ue40 gonna be free
covert spoke
30 is cheap
odd geyser
I'm getting +20 tix per day
slate sky
20x ticket a day
covert spoke
after that its not so cheap
odd geyser
+20 is slightly cheaper than 6x AP refresh
covert spoke
30 tix is only a little more than 6x
copper crescent
Also eligma farms have been worse lately
opaque dagger
it's why I'm seriously considering doing 400 next fes for 200 bosh/kuro elephs e...
Before the 100 Eleph on 1st pull, there's not much of an argument, but now it's different 👀 cos you get 200
covert spoke
if u want to put a value to 4x pvp refresh = 30 pyrox then its equal
odd geyser
Also eligma farms have been worse lately
they've also been front loaded way heavier than they have been historically
severe steeple
it's why I'm seriously considering doing 400 next fes for 200 bosh/kuro elephs e...
I did this for the 4.5 fes and got 5x pickup in 400. Your mileage may vary
echo oar
yeah if you happen to get both dupes in the 2nd 200, it seems very worth
pale fractal
killing all the bosses grants 120 elephs total
copper crescent
So not refreshing using pyrox surely won't hurt that much
frail glen
is my d hina ready for red chesed isane? I need to borrow S Hanako so I can't do D hina borrow
odd geyser
say what you will about IMine farm but I got her to 3* weapon realtively easily on jp
opaque dagger
yeah if you happen to get both dupes in the 2nd 200, it seems very worth
This works out for you, but waifu hunting means I will never consider this as an option
quiet raft
the eligma in the racetrack are kind of silly to get
echo oar
mhm it's tough to weigh
it'd mean sacrificing dmich/takane/cfuuka or someone
which is...
pale fractal
say what you will about IMine farm but I got her to 3* weapon realtively easily ...
how far you got on first run?
opaque dagger
I would go roll another waifu banner or another limited banner if I have that extra 200 rolls
polar orbit
the imine farm was very good idk why people thought it wasn't
fallen scroll
say what you will about IMine farm but I got her to 3* weapon realtively easily ...
"i wont sugarcoat it"
Daily x3
Pvp x3
Cafe + tasks
frail glen
is my d hina ready for red chesed isane? I need to borrow S Hanako so I can't do...
I am hoping that LB doesn't make that big of difference bc I have no LB mat at all
"i did not do a single FRR pass 24"
severe steeple
it does depend on your priorities
opaque dagger
it'd mean sacrificing dmich/takane/cfuuka or someone
I still hate the idea of dropping Tsukuyo Dress
echo oar
yeah!
polar orbit
i mean 3x4x is standard for a welfare
opaque dagger
But I don't think I survive if I go for her
slate sky
the imine farm was very good idk why people thought it wasn't
Idol skippers
frail glen
But I don't think I survive if I go for her
it's okay you will spook her in fest!
best of luck my guy
opaque dagger
The only way Tsukuyo Dress can be considered
frail glen
I might have to drop D Michiru too for fest
opaque dagger
Is if I highroll sacc Hinata Swimsuit
frail glen
covert spoke
I am hoping that LB doesn't make that big of difference bc I have no LB mat at a...
this just lazy
tall glacier
it's why I'm seriously considering doing 400 next fes for 200 bosh/kuro elephs e...
Averages can be misleading, you want to figure the somewhat good and worst case scenario for outcomes also
opaque dagger
If Hinata Swimsuit goes to 200 I'm kinda screwed
odd geyser
how far you got on first run?
UE40. I should have cheap UE60 on immortalization now
frail glen
this just lazy
time gated on resources really can't do much even if I want to do FRR
copper crescent
Idk if there'll be a point where you'd want to use the pyrox for more pulls than refreshing for event farms
covert spoke
u can always 49 with a borrow
echo oar
Averages can be misleading, you want to figure the somewhat good and worst case ...
mhm the worst-case is bad relative to spending pyros on eligma farms, but it's so swingy
odd geyser
the welfare I'm saltiest about not overfarming has gotta be SKoharu
magic reef
this raid is actually pissing me off
covert spoke
no regret 9x skoharu
magic reef
i fucking hate pathing
covert spoke
for 2 weeks
tall glacier
mhm the worst-case is bad relative to spending pyros on eligma farms, but it's s...
It is ultimately a gamble after all
copper crescent
Banners have been so heavy lately
echo oar
just getting a single rate-up prior to the spark pushes it from bad value to great value 😭
and then you gotta factor in new/dupe 3* spooks too
frail glen
u can always 49 with a borrow
I heard the same with "you can always insane with a borrow" which is not true for most raids
odd geyser
no regret 9x skoharu
I wish I kept on her with 6x
covert spoke
I heard the same with "you can always insane with a borrow" which is not true fo...
f49 is ext tier, or hardcore for some of them
odd geyser
I'm on track for UE60 Ibuki at least
oh this is also giga painful with how free UE60 could've been
severe steeple
I heard the same with "you can always insane with a borrow" which is not true fo...
Have you heard of our lord and saviour, the auto button?
covert spoke
I heard the same with "you can always insane with a borrow" which is not true fo...
have you even tried
copper crescent
Just make sure u know that destroying the switch thing will boost ur dmg greatly
frail glen
I did, was not making it
hallow plank
I heard the same with "you can always insane with a borrow" which is not true fo...
F50
copper crescent
But we're having chokmah rn
polar orbit
kanon just built diff
covert spoke
kanon is allowed to do red set whenever
odd geyser
old screenshot, UE50 BYoshimi
copper crescent
Just borrow saori swimsuit
opaque dagger
I was gonna link the video
copper crescent
She does literally everything
opaque dagger
But I realized I have not posted it yet 
hallow plank
kanon is allowed to do red set whenever
(Indeed, red set is ongoing in CN server right now.)
covert spoke
hmmmge
copper crescent
There's no way u can't ssaori swimsuit clear 17m hp with kotama and ako
covert spoke
if u play jp, glb and cn will there always be a set up
hallow plank
old screenshot, UE50 BYoshimi
Yeah, old screenshot.
opaque dagger
There's no way u can't ssaori swimsuit clear 17m hp with kotama and ako
You ofc can, I did it with Kuroko lmao
echo oar
time to save bounty tickets again misinfo!!!!!
covert spoke
lazymaxxing
frail glen
okay i get it FRR is easy
the thing is I can't even make bare minimum invest
my credits and materials is on red line for the past month
covert spoke
~~time to save bounty tickets again <:ShizukoStonks:1075815655288344687>~~ misin...
ty 4 reminder
quiet raft
does the ibuki tank only appear when sortieng Iroha with her? 
opaque dagger
okay i get it FRR is easy
the thing is I can't even make bare minimum invest
my ...
Bro, recycle the usual shit you use
echo oar
waaait no
echo oar
ty 4 reminder
don't!!
copper crescent
okay i get it FRR is easy
the thing is I can't even make bare minimum invest
my ...
It'll be like this for a while, but it'll get better
covert spoke
okay i get it FRR is easy
the thing is I can't even make bare minimum invest
my ...
u would have a lot more credits and materials if you didnt skip the last year of FRR rewards
sterile lodge
top 3 in eu finished his luna run with ninjas
copper crescent
I haven't spend much mats in the past 6 months
echo oar
it's lessons/scrimms, I forgot!!
frail glen
u would have a lot more credits and materials if you didnt skip the last year of...
it has only been half a year for me bro
hallow plank
is there a reason why s.fubuki is staying there instead of iwak or nagi
Because S. Fubuki is cute.
And I didn’t have S. Shiroko then.
fallen scroll
does the ibuki tank only appear when sortieng Iroha with her? <:midori:943337591...
Iroha's tank causes ibuki to hop on and refuses to stay on the field on foot, tho i suppose its big dmg
frail glen
idk how i can get a whoel year of resources like that
atomic meadow
At this point f49 is basically free if you can field a good enough team that can live
copper crescent
it has only been half a year for me bro
Once ur at 1.5 years, you won't be spending much mats unless luna
opaque dagger
F49 can be done with minimal invests
But ok, you have no reason to not do F24
F24 is 0 investment zone
frail glen
I did do f24
covert spoke
49 is no invest too
copper crescent
U can basically do all content up to tor lvl without spending much after 1.5 years of mats
echo oar
noriiiiii, use your bounty tickets!!
opaque dagger
You need at least 1 cover for F49 Chok
And most people haven't raised any if they don't already have Boshi
atomic meadow
Once ur at 1.5 years, you won't be spending much mats unless luna
I call it the retirement phase 👴 I'm just coasting along
opaque dagger
So that's the minimum invest you need for F49
covert spoke
you can manage with a level 50 shizuko
opaque dagger
Unless you have a team that brute forces with 0 cover
covert spoke
ssaori probably can with alright buffers
frail glen
Chokma lasts until chesed right? I will see if I can diverge some of my mats planned for raids to FRR if I can
echo oar
Once ur at 1.5 years, you won't be spending much mats unless luna
tell that to me and my crafting bonanza
opaque dagger
Honestly, she probably can, especially if you have solid healer
echo oar
it's gonna take a half year after this is over to feel decent about my mat stocks again
atomic meadow
Speaking of retirement, anyone got a comfy peroro tor clear 
opaque dagger
Speaking of retirement, anyone got a comfy peroro tor clear <:AkoWant:1149358791...
Bring healer then comfy