#Section 31 Heavy Battlecruiser - Mine/Torp Build

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zealous narwhal
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so, weaker uni? I mean there are all strong and with good clicky/passive buffs yk?

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A very good projectile console from the lexington

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storm birch
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Wouldn't attack pattern Omega work better instead of beta since beta doesn't stack and almost everybody runs beta

zealous narwhal
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Yeah, but the domino console makes dmg buff + recharge boff and torps so idk

zealous narwhal
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Okay

bold geyser
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The not stacking part of eta is that your own copy of the beta debuff refreshes instead of doubling when you hit the target again. But if two different ships run beta, there will be two stacks of the debuff on the target. ie: always run beta if you can

bold geyser
zealous narwhal
bold geyser
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loactors would be the baseline

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after that, it becomes situational - some that come to mind are chronophage, Eleos, Agony Redistributor

zealous narwhal
bold geyser
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[torpedo] loactors exist

verbal nimbus
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BIC is definitely not better than Eleos. Eleos gets you much more reliable Boff and torp cds and gives you critd and crith while BIC only has slightly more critd which doesn't really even matter when you get huge amounts of cat2 from phased space membrane.

bold geyser
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eleos in an eng slot provides more aux power than it takes. and its buffs are toggles, so not only can they be always up, you can even "store" the 15 aux with the aux toggle, and regain them by toggling it off while PSM is running. so not only does it not hinder PSM, it can actually help maintain it a second longer when used actively

verbal nimbus
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you dont need to manage it just leave it on either way its still much better than BIC even on torps

errant quest
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Uhm

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Explain then why is eleos better than BIC in torps? @verbal nimbus

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It's kinda not. The bridge cooldowns and stuff straight up don't matter

verbal nimbus
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explain how bic is better lol

errant quest
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Reliable source of the same amount of cat-2

verbal nimbus
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and yeah CDs dont really matter for me I'm happy with just boimler lol

errant quest
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Correct

verbal nimbus
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and eleos is not a reliable source of cat2?

errant quest
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No because you have to micromanage it while also micromanaging 4 torpedos

verbal nimbus
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but I know many others are much more ocd about CD management

errant quest
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You can OCD about CD management, it's just not going to increase your ceiling

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Funny how people finally stopped running PO1 on boimler builds now

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But off topic

verbal nimbus
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But back to Eleos decent source of crith, haste is nice bonus for experimentals if running one and I dont really see a reason why you would need to manage it

errant quest
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+5% crit chance and 15% crit severity barely outperform Bio-Neural in raw Cat-2...

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However

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This is weapons only crit

verbal nimbus
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as stated earlier here if you have it in the eng slot it will get more aux power than not having it at all

errant quest
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While Bio-Neural is all sources crit

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Only about 50 or 60% of your damage on torpedos is from weapons

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The rest is DOT stacking, consoles etc

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5% crth and 15% crtd come out at right around 30% Cat-2 constant at our typical crit values currently

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Bioneural at around 100% crit chance which is still very possible on torpeds provides us with what, 27%-ish consistent Cat-2?

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So

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30% Cat-2 constant for 60% of your damage sources with some extra clicks required vs 27% Cat-2 constant for 100% of your damage sources and you can forget about it

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Which one would you pick based on that

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I know eleos is cool and bioneural isn't fancy anymore but, yknow

verbal nimbus
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That's asuming the build is essentially a minmax build for supported runs no?

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and if I was doing that I'd run neither console

errant quest
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It works in general use too

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You farm a ton of DPS just from subspatial for example (especially on some maps)

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Which eleos doesn't buff

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Bioneural does

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Same with kinetic shearing etc

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Your tricobalt warhead console

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And your other kinetic damage clickies

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And the neutronic torpedo radiation burst which can do well too if used right as it's not a weapon but a secondary effect

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Kemocite stacking

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I think I've made my point.

verbal nimbus
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Fair, I can admit I was wrong. BIC will be more potent at high crit levels and I should probably revisit some of my builds but you mentioned kinetic shearing benefitting from critd but when I look at old parses its at 0% crith so what am I missing on my build for it to not crit?

errant quest
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No that's me being stupid

verbal nimbus
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and same for varuvian

errant quest
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OKS doesn't crit

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It's exempt from being able to

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The rest still apply

verbal nimbus
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Yeah yeah I was just wondering if it was weird with crits or something