plus when starting the .exe, it says "Cannot connect to steam" when trying to play online, despite Steam being opened.
#Can't update 100% OJ nor Steam which is supposedly needed!
haughty island
flint spruce
this is normal if you start from the .exe
if you put this in the folder, it can connect
what kind of issue are you having updating the game though?
haughty island
what kind of issue are you having updating the game though?
it says "downloading error" through the steam program under the downloads section AND when updating the steam distributionables thingy it says "cannot access data", which ironically is needed to even start up/connect to 100% OJ supposedly.
flint spruce
I see. and you've tried restarting Steam and PC?
haughty island
I see. and you've tried restarting Steam and PC?
I did restart steam for it. Now when I do what you told me to do with the .txt it at least lets me allow to connect to my steam acc... but it doesnt show ANY online lobbies and it takes WAY longer to check for any kinda online lobby rn, to the point that it doesn't show ANY of the lobbies for it.
flint spruce
I'd recommend trying to restart PC entirely. if that still doesn't help, try changing your steam download server
haughty island
Usually when I was checking for lobbies to play online, it took like.. dunno 2-3 seconds at most to find some lobbies.
flint spruce
there's clearly some issue with the steam connection
haughty island
@flint spruce also while at it, I know this is tied to a different problem I have with 100% OJ and my acc: I had, dunno whom of the mods years ago, one of those contributor orange icon thingies at my online profile for it, but when I stopped playing this game for roughly a year and updated it (when the user avatar interface changed), I lost said ribbon like icon and thought I just accidently put it off from my border of said profile but no, it's gone gone. Is there a way to restore that? I think I talked to you or someone still active in the community that works with you guys like 4-6 years ago about it when I was offering advices on improvision and card ideas iirc.
haughty island
there's clearly some issue with the steam connection
do you otherwise know if this issue is tied to vesion 3.23.1? Because I don't have a windows 11 or 10 OS for it.
flint spruce
oh, does that mean you're on windows 7...?
I'm not entirely sure how you're even running Steam and the game, so the issue is probably tied to those arrangements
the game can still technically be run on win7 although it's not officially supported (if you're able to even run Steam), it's been tested on a clean install, but beyond that we can't really help with win7 specific issues
haughty island
oh, does that mean you're on windows 7...?
it's windows 8. Supposedly it only works on newer systems but from what I tried to test roughly 2 months ago, I got the game started and running again, just no lobby was able to being accessed from my end (they were grayed out) but from what I've been told, that's an older game/OS thingy apparently, but I was able to create a lobby otherwise.
flint spruce
oh, are you on legacy build? I thought you typoed 3.23.1
current version being 3.26.1
haughty island
oh, are you on legacy build? I thought you typoed 3.23.1
I did. And it didn't run on the newest version for my OS, so I was advised to downgrade to 3.23.1, which allowed me to play the game again.
flint spruce
ah, well yeah legacy build is there for those situations, it's true
but it's just an old version
you can play with other users using legacy version
but not other players
it's frozen in time
haughty island
Ok that other users and other players thingy, u gotta explain that to me what you mean because I dunno what the difference is about what you were trying to explain to me. 😅
flint spruce
just to let people on old setups to play the game at all
this applies to all versions of the game, but you can only play with other players whose client is using the same game version
other lobbies are grayed out
haughty island
Oh and I read that one of those issues I got is supposedly fixed when I delete steam_api.dll . Can you confirm that?
flint spruce
mm, dunno about that, but you can try it at our end
haughty island
ok wtf is this now? Did what I asked to do and.. now it says this one here.
flint spruce
well, if you do what it says that should fix it - basically delete all .dll files in game folder, then verify files
the old error wasn't as informative as the current one
haughty island
well, if you do what it says that should fix it - basically delete all .dll file...
how do I verify the files? I cannot even download whatever update the game tells me to get through steam to get the game even started. 
flint spruce
it's this option
haughty island
okay? o_O
Didn't know that's a thing.
flint spruce
it's gonna check for any missing files and dl them
haughty island
well... it triesd to update during that part, stops at the same procent progress, and tells me that supposedly zero missing files where found, despite looking like there is something wrong here.
This issue is so messed up, also because I was advertising this game to someone who's gonna launch something about it in roughly one week and now I cannot even get this game to start up nor find any kinda lobbies like 2 months ago! D:
flint spruce
Damn... Well, if you want to play with others you need to switch out of legacy branch
But sounds like you also have issues with the steam client
haughty island
But sounds like you also have issues with the steam client
which ironically does work with other games, because it doesnt ask to update any other program it shouldnt besides 100% OJ right now.
flint spruce
well, it's probably trying to download the new update (if you're not in legacy branch)
not like all games have updates all the time
haughty island
Damn... Well, if you want to play with others you need to switch out of legacy b...
I tried that, same issue. It's not even like the game doesnt start up or something, but it doesnt allow ANY kind of update right now because it cannot access anything regarding steam files from the supposed servers, as it always stops at the same procent based progression while updating/downloading.
haughty island
well, it's probably trying to download the new update (if you're not in legacy b...
it does update two different things. Somethingabout 26MB big in legacy mode and something about 1,5GB in non legacy related mode. And it both stops at the same procent based issue and no matter how many times I tried to restart it, it doesn't continue.
flint spruce
but since the steam client no longer supports windows 8, there may be an issue with whatever you're using to make it work
you can try also reinstalling the game in a new folder
haughty island
you can try also reinstalling the game in a new folder
wouldnt I lose all related data for it like my online profile and unlockables? D:
flint spruce
no, those are in your save and your steam stats
save should come from steam cloud to new folder, but you can also copy it manually if cloud doesn't work
uninstalling doesn't delete your saves
haughty island
save should come from steam cloud to new folder, but you can also copy it manual...
I ehh.. don't have that steam cloud thing activated
flint spruce
well, you can just copy the save folder over to new location in that case
haughty island
and you think that will work out the issueI got with my game? 
flint spruce
it's possible it'll fix your download problem
it may be some random cache issue in the steam client
haughty island
it's possible it'll fix your download problem
because trying to download anything regarding 100% OJ from say UK London or Paris doesn't work supposedly, aka the same issue as before where it stops at 21,7 MB. Weirdly enough, it stops at the same procent/point of progression for the steamworks redistributables thingy it asks me to update.
haughty island
you can try also reinstalling the game in a new folder
I'm actually scared currently to even redownload the game because of this issue. Like.. what if it doesnt allow me to download the game?
flint spruce
well, you can just backup the files you have first
but it's possible
you did try restarting PC?
haughty island
well, you can just backup the files you have first
I did a savfile backup.. that's it. And yes, it doesnt allow me to download anything rn. Can you explain to me why this oculd be tied to my PC all of the sudden so that I have to restart it?
flint spruce
maybe some file handle is stuck active, and it can't be overwritten
restart usually fixes that sort of issue
haughty island
you said something about a cache issue. Would this cleanse the problem too or.. doesn't it matter at this current point?
flint spruce
I'm just guessing, but maybe
restarting PC is always a good thing to try before more aggressive measures
haughty island
..I'll put my faith into your words right now Phle.
no chance, nothing changed, heck, it doesnt even wanna try downloading the game at all, next to the steam update it tries to do about thsi steamworks redistributables stuff that I feel like this is all tied to.
The only thing that is now different is the new icon for the game being that of a chicken which looks imo worse then the old poppo one. :/
ok now it doesn't do ANY kind of updates for any other game I got for some damn reason which doesn't get told to me directly from that marketplace program! Do you got any kind of idea what's up with steam rn?!
this can't be an cache issue for that program alone, can it?
flint spruce
I'm not aware of any issues with steam itself, but it seems like at least your client has some issue. of course, it may be due to some new change at steam's end
haughty island
what kinda changes at steam's end?
flint spruce
some client or backend update
normally I'd recommend reinstalling Steam but I don't know what kind of process that is on windows 8 atm
since again, steam client itself doesn't support win8 anymore
haughty island
thing is I have WAAAAY too many games on my end tied to that nutjob of a marketplace program, so reinstalling is a no go on my end, besides all of those games in the worst case losing savefiles, achievments and whatnot. Also some games are not availible on steam anymore so the option to redownload some of them are legally speaking no option too!
flint spruce
even if a game isn't available on Steam anymore, you should be able to download it as long as it's in your account
as long as you have HD space, you can backup all of your downloaded games, just in case
just copy the entire folder
haughty island
I really dont have THAT much space on my hard drive to do a copy of it. Like it's the biggest folder basically on my PC.
flint spruce
right... unfortunately that's the end of my expertise, maybe there are some places where people discuss how to keep the client working on windows 7/8 that may have ideas on how to fix it
in theory there should be no problem with reinstalling steam, but if you're not using Steam cloud it's appropriate to be worried about saves - although uninstalling games or even all of steam shouldn't remove any saves, they'll still be saved locally
haughty island
I need a break rn. I deinstalled my 772 hours of playtime originated comfort game from like 7-8 years ago and cannot reaccess it for events to advertise it because of me really enjoying it, because of it's balancing, playstyle options, creativity and vibes it has going for.
And btw, if I didnt had the save folder copied out of the original installation path, then it would have been deleted too, as when I checked back on it, only some weird 2018-2022 backup data is left for it and no mention of the save folder around.
flint spruce
sorry for the stress!
found some suggestion about the cache to fix download issues:
First off clear your download cache under Steam settings and restart. Also clear your web cache while you're at it.
I definitely recommend keeping Steam Cloud on, and also backupping saves sometimes.
we have even more local backups tho
it's not just the game folder
so there's no immediate danger
found the cache, looks like it was already hiding in my earlier screenshot
haughty island
here the remains of said 100% OJ folder.
Also it seems it was the fault of said cache BS that Steam doesn't hint at, because now, it at least allows me to download 100% OJ again.
haughty island
I try to keep you updated about the progress, like if I can get back into the game and whatnot.
Also is it possible to get back the old game icon for it with poppo on it? The chicken one.. looks stinky.
flint spruce
aw
we change assets every once in a while... there's probably some way to change it yourself too lol,l but I'm not sure how
haughty island
could you ask around your dev team or something how to do it? Like the poppo one also has that doujin feeling fruitbat factory is known for in a positive way to it, and I wish to get that back.
doesn't matter if it takes like a week or more for it. Just knowing that this could be gotten back is helpful enough rn.
flint spruce
First, you have to head over to "Steam\appcache\librarycache" and place your .jpg icon file there. It has to be a jpg file, it doesn't work otherwise. You also have to name it like this: "<appid>_icon.jpg" . So, for example, if you wanted to change Half-Life 1's icon, the file's name has to be "70_icon.jpg" . You can find the game's appid by heading over to its Steam store page.
doesn't seem awfully complicated
and this is probaby the icon you're looking for, to save you some time
haughty island
ok the game does run now through steam again without issues in the legacy version of 3.23.1 just.. no lobbies getting loaded. Do you know what the issue for that is rn?
haughty island
looks like it, it's named "100% testing something, join!", in case you can find it. Still weird to see my online profile without that pin or whatever it's called. And that the UI changed somehow, like the game looks squished a bit as if the resolution is off, despite it being like it was over a year ago when I last played the game.
haughty island
and this is probaby the icon you're looking for, to save you some time
what would I have to do to replace the new one with it? Sorry if I sound a bit stupid/helpless rn but the shock of what went down hasn't left my mind completly yet.
flint spruce
supposedly, rename it to 282800_icon.jpg, then copy to steam\appcache\librarycache
interesting issue with the lobbies
on live client, I see your lobby
(grayed out due to wrong version)
haughty island
can you create one?
just wondering but can people join that lobby of mine even if they are playing the newest version of it, or just people with the exact same version as I got aka 3.23.1?
flint spruce
but on legacy build I have the same issue atm, can't load lobby list
only with same version
haughty island
but on legacy build I have the same issue atm, can't load lobby list
so it's a steam/server problem at fruitbat factory's end?
flint spruce
it's nothing at our end - the legacy build worked fine when we made it into a branch
and people have been using it pretty recently
it hasn't been updated since
so maybe something has changed at steam's end
although I wonder what
haughty island
do you think it's a steam issue or was some issue caused by that last update of the game perhaps?
flint spruce
legacy build doesn't get any updates
it's still the same as it was when it was made
haughty island
and yet, the lobby doesn't load.
flint spruce
lol interesting, when I searched for your lobby it briefly appeared
then disappeared again
haughty island
wha
I'm still in the lobby, I havent closed it yet, due to testing purposes of what you told me. And to see if the game still works as I was used to in 2024.
haughty island
and this is probaby the icon you're looking for, to save you some time
I downloaded that one but.. how come it's poppo with glasses and not the old one for 100% OJ? Or was that "the one before the current one"? Because I had this 100% OJ icon where Poppo was having an party popper, aka one of these 🎉 .
flint spruce
hmm right, that one...
haughty island
dunno if it was fixed or mixed Poppo whatever it was called again with that 🎉 icon.
flint spruce
not immediately sure where to find that
haughty island
if it takes a week or so, like I said, that's ok. Just.. if you could tell me what's going on with the lobbies, that would help out alot for preparation of said event in advance!
flint spruce
well, like I said, the legacy version can't play with other people not using legacy version to begin with
so it's pretty much just single player enabled
so not a big difference in terms of what you can do with it, even if lobbies don't load
we're looking into it, but considering we can't really update the legacy version, as it's frozen in time
if the issue is because steam has changed something at the backend
it may not be fixable
if you can run the live version, you should
my best guess is that they've sunset the steam .dll that we use in legacy version
haughty island
well, like I said, the legacy version *can't* play with other people not using l...
I knwo that, but the lobbies should load either way, right?
flint spruce
they should yeah, they used to
haughty island
my best guess is that they've sunset the steam .dll that we use in legacy versio...
but wouldnt that break ALOT of games due to the legacy option availible for say beta versions etc..?
haughty island
it feels like that a little yeah. Also, because someone else just told me about it: Does the game react negatively to not loading up the main menu of the game when you got say a post 3.23.1 character as your online profile avatar basically? Because a friend of mine got a warning that an issue has proccessing with the save load feature and to preserve data the game will shut down now for them.
flint spruce
version 3.23.1 doesn't understand any new content added since, so yeah it may have issues with a new save
haughty island
like in general or... what?
haughty island
so... how can that person be helped with? Like can one deactivate DLCs or something? Thought that the game automatically disables everything past 3.23.1 content including DLCs with characters, cards and whatnot.
flint spruce
they can either delete their saves (after backupping, so like, you can just rename the save folder), or use an older save backup
haughty island
they can either delete their saves (after backupping, so like, you can just rena...
he tried that but didnt work out. He asks if he needs to delete the newer DLCs too for that?
flint spruce
no, but disable steam cloud, it's probably restoring his new save
but again, I don't recommend using the legacy build
haughty island
Okay? But how else would you play with someone who's got an older version of the game availible as their only option?
haughty island
@flint spruce bad news, for some artificial reason, there tries/happened another update for Steam, this time a 966MB one, and it got stuck at around 135,5MB without continuing, claiming something about cache (ironically, cuz it was cleared when you told me to), and now the game can also NOT start again! Seriously, what's up currently with that platform that such things happen to an unhealthy degree that ruins even launching games!
flint spruce
Dang
haughty island
do you got any updates on why the lobbies aren't loading up?
warped onyx
We will check what can be done about it in a maintainable manner!
haughty island
We will check what can be done about it in a maintainable manner!
Thank you, do let me know if you can find anything regarding that subject!
Meanwhile, how would be someone able to play said legacy version when he got the newest DLCs for the game, which the game gets confused by once he tries to start it up?
warped onyx
The legacy version wasn't meant to be played in normal circumstances, it only exists for people playing on 32-bit computers (so not OS related), in case they exist (not a single soul contacted me saying they play on 32-bit systems, ever) and its frozen in time. That's why there seems to be weird interactions between it and the lobbies, stuff is always changing.
Unless you are using a 32-bit system and its your only option, I would strongly suggest against ever touching it. The only valid use aside from necessity would be like "can it run OJ" for an old computer as a weird test. For some reason people keep suggesting others to "play the legacy version if something goes wrong", that's absolutely not recommended and that's not a solution, we won't be able to help you if something goes really wrong while doing that. A user is better explaining their issue to us, so we can make an effort to fix whatever is causing their problems (and consequently help others that didn't speak up).
Tho fixing things in legacy is "possible" the whole setup to compile that old code is already a challenge, just to say the basics, that's why I said "what can be done", otherwise I would affirm that the issue would be fixed (cause in general this wouldn't be the first nor the last time something broke while interacting with that old version).
Your issue seems to be with Windows 8, what exactly happens when you try to run the newest version?
haughty island
The legacy version wasn't meant to be played in normal circumstances, it only ex...
luckily I own a 64bit system for that, so that shouldn't be an issue. Also currently, the game DOES work on my end (a steam redistributable works update was getting in the way trying to update itself AGAIN and the download getting cut off when cache was cleared TWICE for it and no other issues related were discovered but now it seems to work again), with getting a lobby to run, play with friends from my friend list and having so far no issues during gameplay with what events, cards etc I ran.
The issue I was asking now has to do with a friend of mine, who has the newest DLCs for their game, but when using the legacy version so him and I can play together, he gets a message saying "there was a problem processing the save load, the game will now close to preserve your data", and from what I get, this is related to data (in this case DLC) post version 3.23.1, hence me asking how we can fix this issue and if he needs to say delete the newest DLC relating to that issue to fix his gaming starting up?
warped onyx
Oh, that is because an incompatibility appeared at some point on the save file that the system on the old build (correctly) detects as an anomaly and blocks loading
Delete the save and will be fine
Soon there will be an update that have an exclusive location for the save on legacy builds, so people don't destroy their saves opening it
So it should help in your situation
warped onyx
luckily I own a 64bit system for that, so that shouldn't be an issue. Also curre...
Why are you playing the legacy build if the newer works on your end? o_O
haughty island
Delete the save and will be fine
but wouldnt that be leading to the issue that he will lose all single player related progress he did?
warped onyx
The legacy build will make a copy and load that copy, and never the live save
haughty island
Why are you playing the legacy build if the newer works on your end? o_O
You.. misread what I meant. Or didn't follow this thread here. I don't own Windows 8, 10 or newer, and honestly, as long as that UI is as hideous and doesn't allow pre Windows 8 games to run as they did before, I don't wanna update my OS for it.
I only got the game working for me on my end through the legacy system and being able to play online, despite the lobbies not loading, because of the search function and opening up a lobby that way.
haughty island
The legacy build will make a copy and load that copy, and never the live save
excuse me, but what the F is a live save? 
It doesn't have to do with steam cloud, does it?
warped onyx
Live = Current Game, as one would download directly from Steam, without changing any knob
Also, I based on this
haughty island
Live = Current Game, as one would download directly from Steam, without changing...
Okay and.. how relates that to the issue that friend of mine is asking about?
haughty island
Also, I based on this
fair enough, but currently what I'm asking about is not about me but about how a friend of mine, who used to play the newest versions with the newest DLCs and whatnot on his Windows 10 or 11 OS, has that error message that is apparently related to post 3.23.1 content, and we would like to know how he can fix his game, as that error message appears when loading up the game, as he cannot even choose a savefile or get into the main menu because of that.
warped onyx
That error message is related to having a newer save file that won't load in that version. It'll never load
haughty island
That error message is related to having a newer save file that won't load in tha...
so it isn't related to newer DLCs as you say?
flint spruce
to go back to play on legacy, you can either restore a backup from before 3.23.1 (which may take some work), or just rename "save" folder so that it loads your user.dat with some older save data, or start a new save entirely. Once a legacy save exists, the legacy version will henceforth use that so future swapping won't be an issue
haughty island
to go back to play on legacy, you can either restore a backup from before 3.23.1...
is this related to me not getting the current update about the lobby issue getting fixed or is this related to the friend of mine who tries to get his game down to 3.23.1?
Because, for some reason, it stops again during that download for some artifical reason that isn't explained to the consumer on what to do about it. Ironically, it's the same kinda issue I had before, when we talked about clearing cache and whatnot, and I did clear it like twice already, but for some numbing reason, it either gets too full too fast (esp when I compare it how long I havent cleared it before to now) or it doesn't seem to fix the issue. I even tried reading up what you recommended to me last week or so about it but.. it sounds like I need to deinstall my game again to fix it. Do you think that's the only solution to this mess or do I have other options to take?
flint spruce
this is about saves
haughty island
okay but.. how do I resolve the issue about the update(s) so I can get it to the version where it finally is able to be played on my end? I would honestly drop that stinky steam update version process whatever to manually download it from one of your servers or whatever, just to be finally done with those kinds of issues of a once doujin built up title.
flint spruce
Whatever worked last time hopefully works again. Restart pc, verify files, change download server, clear steam cache. It's a system side issue that has nothing to do with the game so can only make guesses.
haughty island
Whatever worked last time hopefully works again. Restart pc, verify files, chang...
I did verify the files, I did change the download server, one to austria and the other time to UK manchester and london, just to check out if that issue is related to that, and cleared steam cache again.. no changes, because it sounds like steam is blocking the download. Like it says "content unavailible" for official downloads regarding 100% OJ AND that weird Steamworks Common Redistributables thing, which I feel like is the current issue holder, aka a program or so that I never interacted with, never got informed what it is about, and it supposedly ties to WAAAY too many games that are now unlaunchable through Steam as a platform itself because Steam is apparently super drunk or something.
Heck, I don't even get an explanation WHY the content is unavailible, otherwise I would try to figure out what Steam is doing regarding that and how I could make it work on my end relating to that!
It tries to redownload it automatically (whyever) and sometimes I get the error message "content servers unreachable", as if I got some VPN or some sh1t rolling in the back which I don't have active on my end at all.
Now it says "corrupt download" when trying to download some 5MB big size that might be related to the lobby issue you guys adressed.
I feel like that whatever is going on Steam doesn't know what issue is actually threatening my downloads to be blocked off like that and gives me some auto generated "oh sorry, we can't help you lol" type of feedback that doesnt say ANYTHING on how I could fix it on my end, IF this really is an issue from my end or Steam itself.
It's driving me a bit crazy at this point, to a degree where I cannot grasp how to deal with this situation, also cuz steam doesn't say "we're experiencing some technicaly difficulty currently, please wait until we fixed our download servers so we can continue helping you play those games!" or something.
flint spruce
Did you try installing to a new folder? It might be some issue with the local file structure
haughty island
Did you try installing to a new folder? It might be some issue with the local fi...
it might be? Lemme check if other programs are also related to that same issue, cuz I have two steam folder presences.
in like two different paths
ok this issue really is.. confusing. So I tried to check other steam folder related problems and all those programs tied to this Steamworks thingy I had to check up through steam itself had no issues scanning the data supposedly, even some of them I was able to Steam cloud synchronize. Thing is.. 100% Orange Juice says my last supposed Steam Cloud tied synchronization is quite outdated, like from 2023.. and weirdly enough, it thinks that my game, my already existing downloaded save files (or so) are ALSO from 2023, which MAY BE causing that issue in terms of updates, in my eyes at least. So.. got an idea how to solve this issue or what I should/can do about it, besides deleting the saves? Because both of them, the one already on Steam Cloud and the one supposedly on my HDD, are both outdated from either march 2023 or august 2023, so it feels like there is something wrong there, especially because I played 100% OJ in 2024 and did some test games 2-3 days ago!
Got any idea what happened there or what got stuck? Feels like I need to erase some older outdated data from my harddrive to fix that, tho I wonder if it could be related to those old backup data I showed you from that time period, if they could cause those issues for example.
haughty island
So about the last update 100% Orange Juice received for legacy content users: Is it possible to get that updated files manually, like through Discord here or some servers on your own? It would REALLY help out the current situation of mine related to 100% OJ!