frail hamlet
players stealing bounties from others have it very easy to just sweep whatever 1/2/3 HP bounty you've left over for them after dying, especially if it's something like a high-fame bounty that's totally worth it - this tends to take very little work even for a unit not designed for combat
what do you think? should fame from such damaged bounties be halved or no?
teal ginkgo
it's the biggest risk to consider whenever picking a bounty - i'd say being able to steal adds to the excitement
icy phoenix
imo the bounty stealing takes a serious effort since you actually do have to be ready for it especially having the bounty itself and being in place for it
teal ginkgo
sometimes the bounty is trollite and 2 players take turns to see who gets to ko trollite because 10 atk roll
either ways i think it's one of the ways players can interact with each other in bh which i think is good
frail hamlet
i dont like it personally, i think the interaction is too one-sided and you are already set back significantly by having your bounty taken
the fame reduction wouldnt do that much except for make people leech off of you a little less
so if they have what is technically a "free bounty" they still get to stop you but at least they wont advance that much themselves
the biggest thing a stolen bounty does is waste your time significantly, really
teal ginkgo
ok but imagine this
im syura
i try to fight terra but died with terra on 3 hp
nobody else has terra contract
suguri has to decide if she wants to path to home for a chance at terra contract (about 1/3 without badge) or do her other quests
or scenario 2
same syura/terra scenario
but terra panel is 14 panels away from home
suguri just got offered terra contract
no dashes no accels
frail hamlet
thats not what i usually see happen
usually somebody has the bounty and just takes yours because they already wanted to kill that thing
teal ginkgo
well maybe dont take risky bounties when someone else has the contract ??
teal ginkgo
maybe our difference is that i just consider it a given and am significantly less likely to take risky bounties when someone else has it
frail hamlet
that doesnt change anything, also, you can take the bounty first and then somebody else will decide to do the same
teal ginkgo
i take the risk as a given as-is, that's likely why i don't find it frustrating
frail hamlet
i didnt say i find it frustrating
i said i dont like the interaction, i think it's too one sided
i think something that is difficult to do should be a little less rewarding if you come and steal it from others 's all
since when it does happen it's mostly a no-brainer unless you dont have the bounty yet
the biggest punishment is really just not getting to do it yourself
this essentially makes it so that at least the person doing this isnt that ahead of you when they do it
icy phoenix
in my experience stealing is not necessarily a no brainer, because i've played a lot where people don't take the setup to let themselves take the opportunity if it comes up and so they just legitimately never get into the position where it can happen (like walking close by or taking a same bounty as you)
plus it can also kinda be mitigated just by preparing enough idk, i know bad luck can happen but most of the time you can prepare yourself enough to have overwhelming odds to your side
teal ginkgo
i think taking a risky bounty when someone else is in position to steal easily is akin to making a mistake (or a very risky play)
it's kind of like challenging accelerator suguri in normal (provided you can ko if lucky enough)
frail hamlet
i wouldnt necessarily compare it to that but i see what you mean
icy phoenix
it's kind of like challenging accelerator suguri in normal (provided you can ko ...
more like stepping on home when someone is behind you and can norma i think
teal ginkgo
yea a bit
so yea i view this more as player 1 making a mistake and player 2 reaping off of it
rather than player 2 having a massive unbalanced advantage
frail hamlet
i dont really think its a mistake unless you decide to throw your face against a brick wall and expect it to work
tranquil pivot
usually having your bounty stolen is more a result of inattentiveness and lack of preparation if anything
teal ginkgo
it's part of the calculus when deciding when to challenge and when to just pass it for later
tranquil pivot
if they don't have the contract already, it can be pretty hard for them to get the bounty and go to your tile to finish it off
frail hamlet
its especially kinda weird when cpus throw themselves against bounties and then die and just leave them there
teal ginkgo
yea cpu is lame
tranquil pivot
thats more a problem with cpus sucking in general imo lol
thats why i like playing with 4 players
teal ginkgo
cpu creates these problems that rarely happen with 4 players, even if the players are new
frail hamlet
so you'd say it's about the same as attacking alte on level 3 when she has a full hand
tranquil pivot
u dont have to fight fame 4s if ur not that prepared
the time to recover and refight a fame 4 usually makes it take as long if not longer than doing fame 2 fetch quests
plus the added risk of players being able to take that bounty if they see the fame 4 weakened enough
frail hamlet
well i guess the conclusion is that doesnt need to be done then 🤔
i still dont like it but eh thats just a matter of taste at this point
tranquil pivot
there may be a point in a game where u have to take a risky fame 4 fight to catch up
depends on a lot tbh
frail hamlet
i thought it was at least somewhat sensible 'cuz it kinda makes sense that people wouldnt exactly perceive it as an earned victory if you were to slay a dragon but the previous warrior who perished already weakened it
tranquil pivot
generally speaking u can either race to fame 20 and norma 5 faster or slow people down via alchemist cards/boost cards/fighting and ko'ing them directly
no honor among thieves
we are not heroes but mere fame-seeking glory hounds
frail hamlet
alchemist cards are kinda goated
slime bomb is funny to use cuz it can make the harbinger catch up to people
tranquil pivot
ya alchemist purchases are generally really good
super cheap decrease to ur next rec roll, poison to weaken people that plan on going into a tough fight (and if they are ko'd by poison, they skip that turn's rec roll basically)
and lure/slimebomb can actually block homes from being norma'able
generally me and the octopus are of the opinion that alchemist is like a close second to the blacksmith in terms of how good the purchases are
i think the rankings stayed the same even when shields were bugged lol
there are some nice purchases from the bakery like pudding and accel hyper candy, but also a lot of duds
and the buffs are pretty expensive
hypers from the blacksmith usually last one chapter/battle but are a lot cheaper and can pretty easily bag a fame 4
frail hamlet
i think the shokupan is the worst purchase from the bakery easily
on one hand i get that the bakery is not the inn, so thats the best you get in terms of healing items
on the other its effect is incredibly lackluster, takes time to fully heal you and also when you die it wont do anything anymore lol
fluffy shokupan isnt so bad on the other hand, circumstancial for some characters but makes characters like Miusaki nigh-invincible
but regular shokupan is... not good
icy phoenix
i think it's kind of absurd how bad the normal shokupan is true
frail hamlet
if it at least had some sort of instant heal upon using it thatd be nicer
but having it heal after the turn it's used is... awful
it will get you killed
and also, you get only 3 health from it...?
icy phoenix
the fluffy one is cool, extremely powerful effect but someone prepared can put a stop to it which really sucks and it won't carry you through an individual bounty
frail hamlet
the fluffy one is cool, extremely powerful effect but someone prepared can put a...
yeah
only miusaki is almost invincible but only if youre being chased by 1 character
the second people focus you down youre dead
and she can't do a bounty solely off of the fluffy shokupan
miusaki already has good combos in normal (hyper + final battle) so this is no surprise
I can't really think of a reason to buy the regular shokupan unless you want to make the shop spawn somewhere else with new stock, which is kinda bad
maybe thats actually a suggestion i should make instead of this 🤔
tranquil pivot
i think the shokupan is the worst purchase from the bakery easily
yeah im not sure if its a leftover from old bh design or just always comically bad