🏀irl-hoops-talk

[lapis cave]

Like what

His numbers aren’t good bc of others lmaoo

[lilac cedar]

Must hate kd or something

maybe it’s because he’s legit unguardable?

[tawny jasper]

Nah we saw that lil bro

[hasty rampart]

What

?????

[tawny jasper]

Nah you know what you sent

[hollow shard]

A 7yr old posted you up?

[hasty rampart]

Whattttg

[hollow shard]

Why are you hooping with 7yr olds

[hollow shard]

Unacceptable behavior

[hasty rampart]

?

[lapis cave]

Rn (not fully in order):

Jokic
Shai
Giannis
Luka
Tatum
Bron
Brunson
ant
Tyrese
Book

Wemby and Cade will be there by end of next szn

[lilac cedar]

i think wemby deserves to be there

rn

[lapis cave]

All time:

1. Mike 🔁
2. Bron 🔁
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Kobe 🔁
7. Shaq 🔁
8. Duncan 🔁
9. Hakeem
10. Bill

[lapis cave]

Just ain’t played enough tbh

[lilac cedar]

tatum also is missing a Achilles rn

no curry?

in the top 10 all time

[lapis cave]

nah

He’s #12

[lilac cedar]

i would argue he’s better than bill and hakeem atleast

[lapis cave]

Chef definitely got started late due to injury so his total accolades don’t really compare with most of those guys in the top 10.

What Hakeem did his whole career and especially during those B2B chips (MVP, DPOY, FMVP) put him over Steph.

And bill obv there’s an era tax but the guys accolades are still unreal

[lilac cedar]

he did playa against 8 teams

with a very good team of his own so his accolades aren’t too impressive to me

[lilac cedar]

I would still argue curry over Hakeem though

offensively curry defensively Hakeem clears

[lapis cave]

It’s close but again curry got started late and Hakeem has more 1st teams, all nba selection, all def, FMVP, all star (soon to be equal)

Both insane peaks tho. It’s very close

[lapis cave]

Sure. But he still had undeniable greatness and was very good. Hence why he had good teams lol he was always the best player and centerpiece

[vocal barn]

life is done

IT replied to me on snap

[vocal barn]

It’s hard to compare offensive and defensive players

unless they’re good at both

[charred storm]

a

[hearty phoenix]

Hakeem wouldnt take 2022 GS to no championships

Steph isnt top 10?

[sharp slate]

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[hearty phoenix]

Ultimate Award winner and stat watchers

[hearty phoenix]

Blasphemy

being greatest shooter of all doesnt make u top 10 I dont know what does

Lebron the goat

Aswell

[stuck solar]

Idk about that, he took '94 Houston to a championship.

I agree with Steph at #12, though I could see #11. Depending on how he finishes out his career, I could see him being as high as #8 by the time it's all over, if he does anything else exceptional

[vast brook]

I was thinking of buying 2k26 but idk the version I should get

[torn ravine]

if you buy the more expensive ones you get a bunch of stuff and early access

[stuck solar]

just aint worth buying at this point to me

[torn ravine]

a 10% loyalty discount if you pre order the leave no doubt edition lol

[stuck solar]

If you're gonna get it, it's only really worth getting the default edition. Maybe the superstar edition if you really feel like you need the VC but

the fact that they took the League Pass out of the most expensive edition is wild

[torn ravine]

people gonna want the early access ngl

[stuck solar]

preordering any of them gives early access no?

ahh no just superstar edition or higher

[vast brook]

Did anyone purchase nba 2k 26

Preorder

[lilac cedar]

what’s league pass

[sharp slate]

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[lilac cedar]

is it that subscription to watch games

[stuck solar]

yeah

It used to be included with the most expensive edition each year

this year they took it out and didn't include anything in it's place

[lilac cedar]

we was all using streameast anyway

[stuck solar]

I mean yeah I wasn't buying the most expensive edition before but

I'm sure as hell less incentivized to do it after the fact

[lilac cedar]

ig it’s still a decent deal

3 free pro passes although one is far away

and around $35 worth of vc

[lapis cave]

well considering that basketball is more than just shooting, and greatness is measured in many ways, it does not! Ray Allen was the greatest shooter for 20 years and he wasn’t top 10.

Everyone I listed ahead of curry has more first teams, all defense, FMVP’s etc

Again he got a late start bc he was injured at the start of his career, but i am not gonna give him a boost as an excuse. His peak and changing the game is enough to get him to 12.

I also think people overlook that in many of his biggest losses, he was the one attacked on defense down the stretch. Not just the Kyrie shot but times like 2023 when he let LONNIE WALKER who hadn’t played the whole series go 6 for 6 when he was guarding him.

Greatest shooter ever. Top 12. Another big year, ring, stacking awards etc can move him up

[lapis cave]

Your only argument is hypotheticals it’s hilarious. Hakeem literally won a ring with Otis Thorpe as his second option. No one averaged more than 14 PPG at any point in the season on his team.

Hakeem’s resume is simply more decorated than Steph’s. It’s not that hard to grasp

[lapis cave]

You mean I base players greatness off their resume and their numbers? Omg no way 😮. Sorry I forgot I’m supposed to judge off their “bag”

[lapis cave]

And ‘95. And doing it while Kenny smith and Otis Thorpe were his second options each respective year!

[stuck solar]

'95 you could at least argue he had Clyde

but yeah pretty crazy talented

[lapis cave]

Sure. But hakeem averaged 33/10/5 in their playoff run with 4 STOCKS. Just pure dominance and shows what happens when he does have a real second option

[stuck solar]

Oh yeah he was still a monster

If Jordan hadn't retired briefly, he'd likely go down as one of the greatest players to have never won a ring (assuming the Bulls kept winning those two years)

[lapis cave]

I think Houston beats them once, likely that second time around. Houston had the size and defense down low (Hakeem, Horry), the wings to at least not get absolutely obliterated, and they had the offense.

I know Mike owned Clyde but there was no answer for Hakeem on that bulls team at all. He’s averaging 35 & 12 in a series against that team

Who knows maybe they even beat em twice. The bulls never had to deal with a dominant big man like Hakeem was in the finals

[stuck solar]

Yeah that's true, Barkley, Kemp, and Malone were all good, but not that level of dominant on both ends of the floor

[sage yoke]

can yall sub to my channel pls im trying to get to 100 subs before 2026

[lapis cave]

Yep. Kemp is interesting bc there’s a real chance they could’ve taken the bulls to 7 if the Sonics had Payton guard Mike all series and had not waited until they were down.

But obv kemp is no Hakeem

[stuck solar]

Yeah exactly. And I feel like Clyde and Hakeem was a little better than Payton and Kemp, though they did play together less

[quaint axle]

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[hearty phoenix]

Whole mf paragraph and essay jsut to get back on me for destorying ur previous shai

🥺

Bro forgot abt Eras

Just stats

No point in arguemnts when u havent watched single stephen curry game

[lapis cave]

haven’t watched a single Steph game? I’m sure 😭

you can’t be older than like 14 bruh

[hearty phoenix]

Yeah go personal

Over a basketball take

[lapis cave]

lmaoo if u think that’s a personal shot u just proving me right 😭

nun worse than a causal who judges talent by who looks cooler. Jason Williams must be the GOAT.

[glad viper]

Why does everyone say jokic is a cone on defense like no he is not

He literally averaged 1.8 steals this year

[lapis cave]

Steals are really not a great way to measure defensive ability for some players (e.g. Luka, Sengun also top 10 in steals this year).

Jokic is not as horrid defensively as some people say though. He hovers around average when he rlly wants to try, and is usually slightly below average (especially as a rim protector)

[hot gulch]

Who a vet 2 and up guard

[lyric orchid]

i pray to god yall do something about rec matchmaking cause how can i go in and out of the lobby 6 times and get 2 other, different, players each time but can’t find a game

[glad viper]

I think his rim protection is very poor but I also think that he has very high defensive iq

[spiral sparrow]

Looking to build a solid squad to hoop with in 2k26 holla PG, Lock, Strenght etc

Stretch

[lilac cedar]

where did u get that shai ts and efg stat i need it

[lapis cave]

Basketball reference advanced analytics tab on the players page

Statmuse has it too

[lapis cave]

He puts himself in good spots he just doesn’t have the tools to convert. And at times it’s an effort issue

[hearty phoenix]

no im just saying assuminrhg stuff abt the other person

Makes no sense in A debate

Means you got nothing else to say

[lilac cedar]

now that I’m looking shai is 3rd

[tropic token]

Yo guys I have my first tournament next week does anyone have any tips?

[hearty phoenix]

2k is finally updating graphics since 2k14

[lilac cedar]

if a person tries to tell you Russ is a better thunder than shai

they are lying

[dusk star]

no they not

[vocal barn]

https://tenor.com/view/russell-westbrook-westbrook-basketball-player-american-basketball-player-nba-gif-16377419

Let's see next year

[mental void]

nah they're not

the only reason Russ didn't win a ring is because 2010s was way better than now

[marsh mica]

That new rank system is crazy for nba2k26 😂😂💀

[dense trout]

Hey everyone, I’m ThePaintBeast. I’m a student, run an online business, and somehow still find time to play basketball (my true love 🏀. I’m all about the game’s energy and teamwork, whether I’m watching or actually getting buckets. Music’s my other obsession if I’m not on the court, I’ve probably got headphones on.

Outside of that, I read a bit, explore new spots, and occasionally try to cook… emphasis on try. Here to talk hoops, trade takes, and maybe argue about which team’s really the GOAT.

[charred storm]

cool

[versed halo]

What's up everybody

[sharp slate]

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[lapis cave]

Shai’s last two seasons are def better than what Russ ever did.

However to be the greatest of a franchise u don’t necessarily need to be the best

For example, go out in LA right now and ask ppl who the greatest laker is. They’ll say Kobe.

But Magic is better all time on most peoples list and his whole career was with the lakers.

But bc Kobe played there longer and spent (at the time of his retirement) over half his life with the lakers, he’s the greatest laker in most people’s eyes

[lilac cedar]

and because his triple doubles couldn’t result in winning

[lilac cedar]

russ isn’t going to be better than shai next year

[hearty cipher]

ur right stat padding doesnt result in winning

[lilac cedar]

unless your thanasis antetokoumpo ofc

who else do you know is scoring on 75% ts 🔥🔥🔥

[drowsy niche]

Im a raptors fan

Possed about cmb but they say he will play good defence 🤷‍♂️

[lilac cedar]

who is that

[drowsy niche]

Collin Murray boyles

[lapis cave]

Wasn’t necessarily stat padding. He just wasn’t rlly ever efficient

[hearty cipher]

75% ts on 30s pt every game

[wild sorrel]

Bruh yes he is

Maybe not based on awards but legacy he is

Also Isaac bonga the best thunder of all time anyway so it doesn’t matter

[proud sinew]

Is there 2 specialization or 1 bro ik yall seen that other part on the video @everyone

[low fog]

but shai foul baits and its NOT stat padding?

[dim sigil]

he kinda is

[dim sigil]

thats diffrent he got hella aura

[hearty cipher]

completely different

shai wins

russ doesnt

Russ played with a mediocre team putting up good numbers, shai put up good numbers on a good team

[low fog]

this literlaly makes no sense

[cunning fulcrum]

exactly what does aura have to do with this?

[cunning fulcrum]

Tbf I would say that stat padding and foul baiting aren't directly related

[vocal barn]

This

[vale igloo]

How should I improve my post work because I'm the 2nd best defender but I have no offensive moves

[wintry swan]

wait so what if more than 1 team hit the second-apron? Who gets the 30th pick then?

[wintry swan]

catch n shoot

pick n pop

if you're a big with no post work those are your only options

[hearty cipher]

How?

Russ put up good numbers with a team that wasnt good, and shai put up good numbers with a team that is good?

[hearty cipher]

My point of saying “a team that wasnt good” is meaning he never made it far in the playoffs, like he put up those numbers for? An MVP and then he fell off 5 years later

[lapis cave]

Shai has put together multiple mvp seasons lol. This past szn was the best year by a guard statistically since Harden and Kobe.

He’s already surpassed Russ peak. MVP 1st team a ring and FMVP does that for him.

It was a steep fall off. The trade was a mistake for both sides but Russ definitely began to decline there

[lapis cave]

now show playoff stats lol

You play the ppl in front of u. Remember when Russ had KD and shot 36% after going up 3-1? lol

Russ has career 40/29 shooting splits in the playoffs. He’s always been inefficient and shot his teams out of big games. Great volume guy but at some point u need to be remotely efficient

[low fog]

so how did u expect russ to win anything

oladipo was still developing

[low fog]

same with luka and he has none

[lapis cave]

Are you comparing what Luka has done in his career to Russ? Especially in the playoffs

[low fog]

"shai has put together multiple mvp seasons"

[lapis cave]

Yeah

I don’t understand the point here

[low fog]

im comparing him to shai

[lapis cave]

Oh sure

Luka was definitely better at the end of each year until this szn. It could change again after this year

I definitely would say both of those guys are above Russ’ peak already lol

[low fog]

wat.

[lapis cave]

what

Russ is one of the biggest playoff droppers among guys with his resume

Put together one elite playoff run and ur already there 😭

[low fog]

why do you think he was dropping

team was trash cakes

[lapis cave]

Because he’s inefficient and could only score at 1 level which was much easier to guard in the playoffs where the floor shrinks

[lapis cave]

The team with mvp Kevin Durant was trash? For sure man 😭

[hearty cipher]

My point is he put up good numbers with a bad team, well shai also put up amazing numbers with a significantly better team

[lapis cave]

And Russell Westbrook once had the greatest scorer on earth on his team and shot 36% and blew a 3-1 lead 😭

[hearty cipher]

like hes putting up good numbers on a trash team so why are we acting like hes better than shai

[low fog]

im talm bout post kd with mvp season

[lapis cave]

it’s Russ own fault KD was gone

[hearty cipher]

if they made the finals kd aint leaving

[low fog]

its literally no ones fault he left

[hearty cipher]

in 2015

[lapis cave]

He was also then given MVP finalist Paul George and… did nothing

[low fog]

why do you think he was an mvp finalist

[lapis cave]

Correct. To make the finals they need Russ to not shoot 30%

[low fog]

because of russ's playmaking

[hearty cipher]

Hes talking pre russ

[low fog]

2015 kd was out for the season which is why russ won the scoring title that year

[hearty cipher]

before he came to the thunder

[lapis cave]

LMAOO what?

[low fog]

????

[lapis cave]

Paul George was an established star before he got there 😭

[hearty cipher]

Was he out for the playoffs?

[low fog]

he wasnt an mvp finalist in 2018

[hearty cipher]

Ur right

He wasnt

We are talking before he came to the thunde

U have 0 common sense

[low fog]

i mean he had foot surgery i think

[low fog]

???

HE SAID

mvp finalist??

[hearty cipher]

He was given a mvp finalist paul george

aka meaning like the season before

😭

[low fog]

he wasnt an mvp finalist

in 2018

?

nor 2017

nor 2016

nor ever

[hearty cipher]

Ur insane

I js searched it up

18-19

Mvp finalist

[low fog]

he literally said

yo

are u

[hearty cipher]

Ok my bad I made the mistake but ur still acting like he never had an mvp finalist

[low fog]

paul george came to the thunder in 2018 right

yo

[tired comet]

Podcast P

[low fog]

he didnt before he joined the thunder

like wat

[hearty cipher]

Ok we are getting away from the plot here

[low fog]

russ still shot like 30% true

[hearty cipher]

russ had an mvp finalist paul george on his team a year after he won mvp and was gone to Damian lillard in the first round

And an older carmelo who was still a bucket just not great on D

[low fog]

fairsfairs.

[lapis cave]

The thunder during PG’s mvp finalist season had a +16.5 net rating when he was on the floor

When Russ was on the floor it was just +4.5

This is just false. PG13 held all the value to that team.

[hearty cipher]

imma be honest the net rating while ex player is off is such a small sample size its not really worth using it in this context

A majority of the time that pg played russ was also playing

Like when steph curry was out in 16’ and the warriors had a higher net rating without him does that make stephen curry bad for the team?

[lapis cave]

the gap increases if you include multiple seasons but okay keep moving the goalposts

[hearty cipher]

I mean I dont think russ was great but I dont think the argument of a team being better without ex player really serves much help to this

[lapis cave]

We can also just point to Russ shooting 36/32 splits in their playoff series that year

[hearty cipher]

Now that is horrendous 😭

[lapis cave]

the point is Russ kills his teams more than he helps them (especially in big games)

[proud sinew]

We get 2 specialization yall just found this out

[lilac cedar]

I would guess it’s because he averaged 20.2 drives

every elite scorer has flopped before why point shai out?

jordan did it kobe did it harden did it

those are just for reference

and they did it at a higher rate considering if you took away all the ft shai still leads the league in ppg

[hearty phoenix]

have u seen the clips

Harden actually had skill yk

And u wonder why shai leads the league in drives Lmaoo

Who here has actually played basketball?

Like Real competition

Streetball or Summer programs or whatever

[lilac cedar]

im so lost are you against shai or?

harden did have a lot of skill but he also had the ability to get to the line like every other elite scorer before him(although he did change the rules) now shai has that ability

[lilac cedar]

but he didn’t win

although I wanted him to he didn’t win

shai doesn’t flop every possession go watch a game instead of tiktok clips

because he was so good at baiting fouls

so then that means harden flopped in his prime correct?

[hearty phoenix]

No i just know he manipulated the system

[lilac cedar]

stranding is what we called that

[hearty phoenix]

You’re talking about watching TikTok clips?

so no one has watched the Nba MVP play basketball

like in live

[lilac cedar]

i have

[hearty phoenix]

That’s what you’re saying

Obviously, who wouldn’t he’s literally the MVP that’s the point

[lilac cedar]

im telling him to watch a game because he says all shai does is flop

[hearty phoenix]

literally, every non-casual even casuals they have watched him,

[lilac cedar]

so you just admitted harden is a flopper but when shai draws a foul it’s worse for him?

[hearty phoenix]

harden 4 point play

Harden has lots of four-point plays. He also mastered the stepback and literally influence a generation of young athletes to do the same

what has Sga done

[winter bison]

WHAT DO u think about the shoes kd 18 ? it's better than the lebron nxxt genisus crimson or no?

[hearty phoenix]

I don’t know what that move is called but there’s no skill in flopping that’s just boring. What James Harden does. It is a flop but at the same time he mastered a step back, which is huge in the game and shot creation.

Yea but @lapis cave doesnt understand that all he likes to do is watch the stats and talk about net ratings when he hasn’t watched a single basketball game. All he watches is basketball edits and spews out ChatGPT type stats Prolly dont even play ball

And then he’s gonna start calling people casuals, which is funny because like I said he doesn’t even watch games

The only thing I can think of is, but almost every elite has a great pull-up

I meant sga pullup

Also, even if we were talking about current, he still has a terrific step back

No

The other guy was born in 2019 so he doesn’t know anything about the LeBron Curry

I swear, people just read stats instead of actually watching the games

It’s always statistics everything statistical analysis like your son Basketball scientist just watch the game and see for yourself. I mean Jimmy Butler wasn’t even a good score when he came to Golden State so you would assume he was not even good but if you watch the games, he was a beautiful playmaker, even if it’s his assits werent on

Draymond Green too he has like no numbers, but there’s a reason why without him the Warriors have no defense and barely a leader on the defensive side

True shooting will definitely help that

Stop watching stats and watch the game itself first

Jonathan kuminga is going to stay on Golden

state

I know he had like 25 free throws one game and that’s just crazy

no, hate to SGA he just manipulated the system

Yeah, he was a ball hog most at a time

No playmaking couldn’t lead Golden State only thought for his own success when he was drafted onto a winning team and he knew that

in 2022

he just wants to be like a career path that in the nets or somewhere where he could just chuck shots without getting yelled at

Just somewhere to like develop, you know

Well, if you mean MVP in stats wise, it’s still a close but I might give it to SGA solely because the NBA love scoring

but if you mean, MVP in a logical way, and you watch the games it’s Jokić because without Jokić the Nuggets wouldn’t even be a playoff team they would be like the 9 seed

and take SGA off OKC they would not make it for either but more potential than no Jokić nuggets

I don’t know how this MVP voting system works as much

I like to think that they love stats

so LeBron on the floor, he has lots of defense and play making so that up is a lot

I only agree with the four-point line

Making a shot from 35 feet shouldn’t just count three points

but at the same time they’ll be shot chuckers but they’re still coaches from the Michael Jordan era I don’t think they would really run four points. I think that’s just Jordan Poole type shooting when they’re hot.

I don’t think they should add a four-point line until most of the goats retire

and I hate the fact that people think we should delete the regular season games, just cause of injuries

at that point just delete all the records that people have set

I like to talk about jerseys more than anyone in the Basketball community

no one really cares about jerseys nowadays after nike tookover

Yeah

The Celtic city uniform for 2025

It’s crazy cause no one complains about it they are practice jerseys you see before a game

[hearty phoenix]

I have the Clippers actually making the finals and potentially winning

They’re so balanced at everything they exceed on offense and definitely experience, which is huge in playoff moments

I’m actually scared for my Golden State Warriors

😭

[charred storm]

They doing nothing chat

unless JK humbles himself

[hearty phoenix]

How come?

[charred storm]

I mean literally nothing this offseason

[hearty phoenix]

They mauled Houston could’ve mowed Minnesota

Oh never mind

Yeah, our GM is pretty illiterate so

We’re just gonna get our Horford and an angry Jonathan Kuminga

[charred storm]

JK did well during the minesota serie tho

[hearty phoenix]

well, that’s because Steph Curry wasn’t on the floor Jimmy Butler wasn’t really doing as much on the offensive side

Jonathan Kuminga likes to do isolation stuff to the rim

[charred storm]

yep what i meant is that when he has the spotlight, he did manage to deliver

[hearty phoenix]

He likes to do his own thing you know

[charred storm]

ye basketball iq

people call him stupid

[hearty phoenix]

Well, I don’t know if it’s that if he was making shots, he would’ve not been called that

He has the right mindset it’s just he’s not making the shots. You know he’s more of a shot sucker once at a time especially when Steph Curry isn’t around, but he’s had like 35 points.

[charred storm]

Stupid as in play making i guess

[hearty phoenix]

Like very high scoring nights that literally saved us the game

[hearty phoenix]

yeah, exactly. It’s usually the people play making to kuminga on a pick and roll. Or just a roll.

[charred storm]

GS should keep and mentor JK if possible imo

[hearty phoenix]

wont happen he wants to be in a place like Chicago or Brooklyn to develop

[charred storm]

Well cant change a player's mindset after all

At that point just trade everyone and rebuild

[hearty phoenix]

We’re gonna trade him during the season and up his trade value. I’ve heard that that’s what they’re gonna do. I don’t know how true that is, but it makes a lot of sense because it’s a one year contract with little to no money.

[hearty phoenix]

OK, I don’t think that’s the answer😂

I think the answer is that we trade Kuminga and Moody for a scorer

[hearty phoenix]

Very true

[charred storm]

After Curry retires ofc

[hearty phoenix]

Hundred percent

[charred storm]

GP2 is so nice

[hearty phoenix]

Yep

Locked up Anthony Edwards

In the regular season

[charred storm]

Remember that one game in houston where the starters got cooked by the rockets and the bench somehow managed to cut the lead down to only 10 ?

in the playoffs

[hearty phoenix]

The Warriors right

[charred storm]

ye

[hearty phoenix]

I remember that game I was freaking out that was game one

[charred storm]

It was ?

[hearty phoenix]

We were blowing them out. I’m pretty sure Steph Curry hit like a crazy longshot.

[charred storm]

No not that game

[hearty phoenix]

And then they started to come back, but then we sealed the game or something

[charred storm]

the game the dubs got blown out

[junior pelican]

Yo anyone a mod here?

[charred storm]

zeokage

[junior pelican]

We have some bad things i found

[hearty phoenix]

I know exactly

Game six

It was game six right

Or game five

[charred storm]

5 i think

[hearty phoenix]

Actually, no it was probably both one of them because I remember we were devastated

[junior pelican]

Bro check #🎬highlights

[charred storm]

i remember it being on Houston's arena

[hearty phoenix]

Yeah, it was game five

Hundred percent then

[hearty phoenix]

Lmaooo

What the hell?

That’s some man twerk bro

[charred storm]

lmao

[junior pelican]

@idle minnow

Gooner

[charred storm]

they will get him eventually

[hearty phoenix]

That was funny

[charred storm]

no wym gooner 😭

its literally men

[junior pelican]

yes sir

bro

my aau sucks

@shell stirrup

#🎬highlights

Check highlights

#🚩report-a-user

[lilac cedar]

but i never said shai was better than harden

i said mostly all of the elite scorers can get to the line just like shai

so now shai is being criticized for getting to the like

and u do realize that rule didn’t stop harden right he could still get there at will

also kevin is english your first language

I can’t understand you bro

[eager harbor]

bogdan bogdanovic top 10 all time

[lilac cedar]

so when harden flops it’s skill but when shai flops it’s not skill

find me a clip of shai doing that in every single game then of this season

a clip of him making that one face and/or him foulbaiting

that’s one possession like I said

[stuck solar]

genuinely I would bet money you could find at least one clip of him flopping/making that face/foul baiting from every single game of the season, if you tried hard enough

legit just watch the highlights LOL

[ebon geode]

You’re asking for impossible things because no one is watching every single game Shai participated in. I promise he foul baited atleast twice every game where he had his average free throw amount. I don’t think it’s a big deal but don’t deny that he foul baits

[sinful mesa]

The king of flop

😭😭😭

[lilac cedar]

this is why u read before you enter the debate

I said he does not flop every possession

but it’s not fair to criticize him for his ability to get to the line when other elite scorers did the same thing

[night badge]

Angel Reese would succeed if she played in the nbc

NBA

[lilac cedar]

so if I were to watch his highlights it would be him making stupid faces and him at the free throw line

not his elite mid range or his ball handling skills

[iron vale]

In fact players such as Giannis, MJ, Harden, Kobe etc all shot more free throws in a single szn at some point their career than SGA last year. I wonder if they are free throw merchants?

SGA lead the league in drives. You lead the league in drives, you get fouled. He didn’t even lead the league in FT’s this year!

[lilac cedar]

exactly bro

finally someone who knows what they talking about

[stuck solar]

LMAO

Notice how Giannis gets fouled

versus how Shai gets fouled

notice the amount of contact

[lilac cedar]

#noticing

[stuck solar]

notice how Giannis reacts

that is the problem

not that he gets to the line for driving

like yeah no duh

[lilac cedar]

also if you watched that clip of the stupid face

[stuck solar]

but he gets incredibly weak ticky tack foul calls, flails all over the place, etc

[iron vale]

And shai isn’t skilled? The 6’6 guard who can score at all 3 levels and in the post while just posting the most efficient season by a guard with his volume since 2018 harden and mid-2000’s Kobe? LMAO😭

[lilac cedar]

you would know shai actually got fouled

[stuck solar]

But did he get fouled in a way in which that facial expression is a natural thing to do based on the foul?

[hearty phoenix]

keep twisting my words that’s not gonna get you anywhere first of all second of all he’s literally the MVP. I never degraded him. You can literally look at the message yourself. I had no hate for him

[stuck solar]

If someone slaps my hand I'm not gonna make that face

[iron vale]

Shai does exaggerate contact. But who in the world doesn’t? Like what? Most the time he gets fouled and his “flopping” is just making it noticeable to the ref

[hearty phoenix]

I know I’m probably made it seem like that. I meant harden has more skill. SGA hasn’t perfected let’s just say a fade away or a jumpshot like Kobe Bryant or James Harden his step back.

[iron vale]

Shai hasn’t perfected a fadeaway or jumpshot? Are we serious?

[hearty phoenix]

You know he literally knows what’s going on right you know he smiles at the free-throw line and it was literally on camera

[hearty phoenix]

Is that his signature?

Or you’re gonna make it up just so you can support your argument

I’m gonna say he’s a elite at all of them. I don’t think he’s the pee definition of a jumpshot.

pure*

[lilac cedar]

and correct me if I’m wrong but is he not top 15 in efg while averaging 30+

[hearty phoenix]

Kobe Bryant is the peer definition of a fadeaway or Michael Jordan

James Harden is the step back God

[night badge]

Can we talk about the wnba?

[hearty phoenix]

Yea

[iron vale]

Shai shot almost 60% on fadeaways this season he definitely has a fadeaway 😭

[stuck solar]

The problem is the amount of times that he gets the foul calls for an incredibly weak amount of contact. As soon as he feels the slightest touch on him, he'll react as if he was hit by a truck

[hearty phoenix]

I saw who likes liberty Sparks

[lilac cedar]

so now because he makes a face 1 out of every 10 fouls that means he’s a flopper

[stuck solar]

1/10 is generous LOL

[hearty phoenix]

I never said that once again you’re twisting my words to support your argument. I said he’s not the peer definition of that when you think of three point shooting who do you think of Stephen Curry?

When you think of a fadeaway, it’s Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant or Dirk it depends

When you think of a step back, James Harden

[lilac cedar]

it’s called selling fouls very good skill used by elite scorers

[hearty phoenix]

That’s what I mean perfected that has changed literally and generation of young players, bro no one is trying to really hoop like SGA

[iron vale]

Holyyy just bc the shot isn’t named after u doesn’t mean u haven’t mastered it 😭😭😭

[hearty phoenix]

People make jokes about him

[iron vale]

Who gives af if they are?

he’s winning and putting up historic numbers 😹

[stuck solar]

He has the best whistle in the league and it's pretty un-debatable

[hearty phoenix]

he has not mastered nothing but freethrows,

[stuck solar]

I'm not going this far LOL

[iron vale]

having the best season by a guard ever in the last 15 years isn’t mastering anything?

[hearty phoenix]

So he like, did all that right?

[hearty phoenix]

In the top 10 or

[lilac cedar]

nobody plays like bron does that mean he’s trash

[stuck solar]

Shai is clearly a good, talented player. But to me, that's what's frustrating about all the faces and the flopping and stuff. It's the same problem I always had with Embiid

[hearty phoenix]

What do you mean?

[lilac cedar]

sure did

[stuck solar]

They're good enough that they don't need to resort to all that bull

[iron vale]

It’s not only in the top 10. The only better all around season by a guard since the 2010’s started was 2018 harden. That’s it.

[lilac cedar]

your discrediting shai because no one plays like him

[iron vale]

It’s a statistical fact

[hearty phoenix]

use them stats

[lilac cedar]

but no one plays like bron either

[iron vale]

Use the stats that show how good he is he’s

*yes

[hearty phoenix]

So have you ever watched the game?

[iron vale]

If you deny every stat u can’t lose an argument so keep that argument goin casual

Yes I do

[hearty phoenix]

OK now you’re saying no one plays like LeBron who is built like LeBron can you tell me that who is built like a demigod

can you tell me

[iron vale]

I watched him have the most 30 point games in a playoff run in nba history

[hearty phoenix]

The reason no one wants to play like LeBron is because he’s just physically like you can’t do it

[hearty phoenix]

yeah, in the area where you literally twisted like a snake dude

[iron vale]

You think there’s a lot of kids in the world that are 6’6 like SGA?, 😹😹

[hearty phoenix]

I never said anything really bad about a season. I’m just saying he’s a flopper and he manipulated the rules to his liking because he has the best whistling leak like your other person said.

[hearty phoenix]

Never said that

I’m talking about his mid range bro people that wanna be like SGA mid range it’s not that common

Still doesn’t take away the fact that he’s a great player

My argument is that his whistle is definitely a problem that’s it

I mean, he manipulated the system the reps love him is beautiful

refs*

And I mean, changing a whole generation, James Harden just did it better

someone said and listed some players that were similar to SGA and his free throw stuff

[iron vale]

Here’s just a couple of players who get a higher % of their points from the FT line than SGA in 2025:

Jimmy Butler, James Harden, Trae Young, Damian Lillard

Are they FT merchants too?

Are they “manipulators” of the system too?

[hearty phoenix]

Jimmy Butler actually gets fouled

Yes, actually because they like to drive

and don’t even bring up SGA drives

[iron vale]

Micheal Jordan had more than SGA multiple times in his career. Kobe, Giannis? Are they?

[hearty phoenix]

you literally warched it yourself

[hearty phoenix]

OK, don’t start naming all time grades they already finished their careers. You can’t even bring up stats on that one.

[iron vale]

SGA leads the league in drives and almost doubles #2 no wonder u wanna ignore that stat

[stuck solar]

What about Brunson? 3 less drives than Shai, but an entire 1 less FTA from drives

Clearly, Shai just has a better whistle than a lot of other players

[hearty phoenix]

I literally just explained to you can you like read or not like I just said that

sga does not get fouled you just don’t watch the

[stuck solar]

You want stats, how do you explain that?

[hearty phoenix]

games

[iron vale]

So drives only work for other players not sga? 😭

[iron vale]

Can you show game film of a time he got ghost fouled for 6+ free throws in a game?

[hearty phoenix]

Never said that again you’re twisting my words. I just said don’t bring up drives now.

Don’t bring up drive

[iron vale]

Drives is how u get fouled

Are we slow

[hearty phoenix]

Don’t do it

[hearty phoenix]

So is it putting your arm inside of the defender like not manipulating the game isn’t that what the Chris Paul ripped through is?

[iron vale]

LMAO “don’t bring up the stat that voids any argument I have” 😭

[hearty phoenix]

Did you ever watch a single basketball game around 2018 or something?

[stuck solar]

Darius Garland drives a lot, but doesn't get the foul calls. Lamelo too

[iron vale]

James harden modernized this so don’t say he actually gets fouled but shai doesnt 💀

[hearty phoenix]

did you watch anything like that because your brain is not showing nothing of that caliber and I’m just gonna say it right now SGA just know how to get follow calls use this to advantage. That’s literally it.

[stuck solar]

You wanna talk about drives, here's the information. He drives a lot, but he also gets clearly better calls from the refs

[iron vale]

Majority of his fouls come in the paint

[hearty phoenix]

You don’t watch the games proof James Harden does a step back fix defender people were guarding him from behind him

[iron vale]

Since u watch all the games please provide me film of a game where SGA got ghost fouled into multiple FT’s

[hearty phoenix]

Steph Curry doesn’t get the fall call

foul*

[hearty phoenix]

Wdym

Theres loads on clips on yt

do it yourself?

go look at it yourself, bro I’m not your researcher☠️

if you look at SGA playing you will literally know that he looks like a guy to get fouled

He’s lanky he’s moving slithery

[iron vale]

ok

[hearty phoenix]

guess what smartacus

That’s called manipulating the system and trying to get a phone call

[iron vale]

like I said harden modernized the hook

[hearty phoenix]

Exactly what James Harden did

Smart Person

[hearty phoenix]

What do you mean modernize bro?

What is this revolution? What are you talking about?

[iron vale]

So you’re not allowed to try to draw fouls?

[hearty phoenix]

No one modernized everything. It was always like that. Just never no one used it.

[iron vale]

He was the first to do it in the modern era

[hearty phoenix]

And you watch every single game so he was the first one

Yeah, you’re definitely some NBA stats and analyzer that ESPN uses right

give me like mad stats, shove it in my face, but don’t watch the games

[iron vale]

That’s what modernizing is. It’s always around but ppl never do it so u use it

[hearty phoenix]

you don’t have to do that. Don’t watch anything just give me all the numbers just ChatGPT go do that.

[iron vale]

so we should ignore stats bc what u say and provide no evidence for has to be the truth right?

[hearty phoenix]

I’m saying that Sga bruson And others

They are floppers

[iron vale]

and then when I ask for game film you don’t provide it

[hearty phoenix]

There’s nothing really wrong with that

[hearty phoenix]

First of all like I said, I’m not your analyst. You’re the ESPN dude go on YouTube go look it up yourself, bro.

[iron vale]

Harden did it before all of them u r proving my point

[iron vale]

I can’t find anything so I’m asking u to

since it’s ur argument

[hearty phoenix]

I’m not gonna sit here on my phone just trying help you. I don’t even know you just do it yourself, bro.

[iron vale]

No evidence for ur argument means it’s invalidated

🤷‍♂️

[hearty phoenix]

That probably works for other people, right

[hearty phoenix]

look at you

You’re calling me out for not providing evidence even though you’re the one that needs it

So why don’t you go? Do it yourself you lazy

I don’t understand at all just go find your clips yourself so you can prove yourself wrong so you don’t get mad at me and start saying that it’s everything invalidated

What’s so invalid?

[iron vale]

I provided you with multiple statistics

[hearty phoenix]

No, I need more like when he was born

You gotta tell me when he was born or you never watched the game

See you’re a fake NBA fan I told you I knew it

You don’t watch ball you don’t know when he was born

[iron vale]

It’s ok Kevin. Some people are casuals

[hearty phoenix]

Yeah, there’s nothing wrong with accepting it. It’s part of the game that’s you guys’s argument.

[iron vale]

some people think “oh he tuff” measures players

[hearty phoenix]

Yeah, like you

[hearty phoenix]

No one said that

[iron vale]

when u grow up and become older than 12 you’ll understand

Another casual owned

[hearty phoenix]

when you stop talking like your profile picture, then you’ll understand

[hearty phoenix]

Oh yea

[iron vale]

https://tenor.com/view/myhome-50lakhs-gif-18848731

[hearty phoenix]

Badboy

[hearty phoenix]

That’s a very “special” trophy, isn’t it?

Gvauard

[iron vale]

Okay Kaden your pfp is a deadbeat dad do some research

[hearty phoenix]

Very special

[hearty phoenix]

Yo, don’t get personal here, bro. This is just hoops talk.

You’re getting mad cause you lost just know that you’re mad we’re chilling. You’re the one that’s going personal right now.

[iron vale]

It’s not personal just truth 😭

personal? One of you are ANT?

[hearty phoenix]

Well, I mean instead of going after people’s profiles can you just talk about the game and also like I said you’re a fake NBA fan

[hearty phoenix]

You’re switching the topic stop talking about profiles, dude

[iron vale]

ANT’s teammates made him a bad father? Lol

[hearty phoenix]

I wonder how you talk to people in real life there’s a reason why you’re on discord

[stuck solar]

Clearly normal movement from a guy just trying to make a layup

[hearty phoenix]

October 2023 downloaded this app

to help your social battery, right?😭😭

Does Basketball help you?

[iron vale]

Not fake ur just one of those fans who hates basketball and discredits everything players do lol

Like KD said NBA fans hate basketball and it’s weird

[hearty phoenix]

Keep twisting my words all I said is that Shay is a flopper and you guys just can’t understand that because you guys are delusional in your own world

[hearty phoenix]

Well, go play cricket or something go play tennis bro this is not your sport. No one cares.

[iron vale]

now list the other 3 kids

[hearty phoenix]

We can say whatever we want how does that affect? You just accept the truth and move on.

[stuck solar]

This is what I do when I'm trying to score and definitely not just get to the free throw line

[iron vale]

Oh is it your sport Kevin? Bc you’re some pro?

[hearty phoenix]

Can y’all stop talking about Anthony Edwards family life?😂😂

[hearty phoenix]

I never said that

[stuck solar]

It's the most effective shot in basketball, the fall on the floor and pray they call a foul

[hearty phoenix]

Go play cricket or something I don’t

No

I don’t know go do something else, bro. There’s really no point of arguing right now. I just got proved wrong. Just getting mad isn’t gonna help you.

[stuck solar]

My head snaps back like this when someone touches my side too, that's just normal

[iron vale]

Embellishing contact that should already be a foul to ensure u get a foul is not flopping and has been done since they put whistles on refs 👍

[hearty phoenix]

Rage don’t even bother

[stuck solar]

Like idk how you can even call this a foul

[hearty phoenix]

That’s just crazy. He’s literally arching his back if someone touched like that in real life, I know people call you that awkward kid,

[stuck solar]

Mobley is straight up

[hearty phoenix]

Whole Lotta nonsense fake NBA fan go watch some games

[iron vale]

You cannot claim shai is a flopper but guys who are going to the line more aren’t. Just goal post moving 😭

[hearty phoenix]

never said that we’re talking Sga he’s a flopper understand that OK use it

[iron vale]

Can we see the full video or are we gonna cherry pick screenshots?

[hearty phoenix]

It’s a photo

Do it yourself stop asking other people for information

how come they already found screenshots?

[iron vale]

Kevin dawg how old r u 😭

[stuck solar]

Just bad defense by Nesmith I guess

[iron vale]

Ion wanna say anything u too young for

[hearty phoenix]

Enough to get a lollipop

[iron vale]

But you can’t spell and idk who I’m talking to 💀

[hearty phoenix]

I’m using text to speech by the way

That’s how I’m talking so fast

[hearty phoenix]

Can you talk about Basketball?

Not that you know anything I’m just bored honestly

[hearty phoenix]

you are definitely acting like your profile picture😂

[stuck solar]

unfortunately some of the people in here don't agree

[iron vale]

So only shai is a flopper but not the guys who shoot more FT’s than him even though they drive less? Got it

[hearty phoenix]

Yeah, this is actually hilarious

[hearty phoenix]

Another one twisting my words I never said that we’re strictly talking about Shay here because you don’t wanna accept any facts about him

shai*

Never said that he was the only flopper so is Jalen Brunson

[iron vale]

okay so I listed dame, Trae, Giannis, harden all who have more. Are they floppers?

[hearty phoenix]

Manipulating the system is making it look like he got fouled

[hearty phoenix]

Clippers

Lmao

Ur 9

[stuck solar]

https://www.instagram.com/hoopshall/reel/DHmD1lzSd3L/

here's video

[hearty phoenix]

You see how annoying that is that’s you bro that’s your personality

[iron vale]

are they flippers yes or no why are we dodging the question?

[hearty phoenix]

Like you haven’t dodged any of my questions before

[iron vale]

Right ur avoiding other players bc ur creating a double standard

[hearty phoenix]

Your hypocritical, you know that

Also, yeah, hold on

[iron vale]

you aren’t answering bc it’ll expose your double standard 😭

[hearty phoenix]

I don’t watch Trae Young, but yeah, most of them are Damian Lillard doesn’t have as much information by me, but

[iron vale]

so who specifically is?

[hearty phoenix]

There’s obviously some people that aren’t floppers like Jimmy Butler he strictly drive to the basket

[iron vale]

Who is “most of them”

[hearty phoenix]

Jimmy Butler

I mean, I would have to look at the statistics

before saying anything

[iron vale]

okay so Jimmy butler isn’t a flopper even tho he averages half the amount of paint touches shai does and takes half the shot attempts?

[hearty phoenix]

But yeah, that’s what I can get from the top of my head Jimmy Butler, Damian Lillard Jalen Brown I feel like

I think very strong people actually get fouled

Joel Embiid is just something else flop

[iron vale]

so weak people can’t ever get fouled? Crying

[hearty phoenix]

I mean he’s tall what else can you see?

[hearty phoenix]

OK, this is actually crazy. I never said that does anyone in this chat say that I said that

Can you just chill with the words, twisting I didn’t even say anything

[iron vale]

Okay who of that group actually gets fouled? Please tell me

[hearty phoenix]

Gvuard

Chillaxx buddy

it gvuard

its okay

[hearty phoenix]

Bro, just stop

Bro, can we all just stop arguing before we get kicked out or something?

There’s no point he’s just gonna keep blabbering. He’s like a robot. I mean look at his profile picture just leave him alone. He’s having his anger management.

[iron vale]

okay so Giannis and Trae actually get fouled?

[hearty phoenix]

Lmaoo

Anger management

Yo, this is crazy bro venting on discord over Basketball

especially over shai flopping is crazy

just defended what we said OK

no, I quit everything but mynba

NBA 2K 23 I got sick of

you can play with WNBA players now

I’m pretty sure in the new trailer

[iron vale]

So if i theoretically sent a nearly 10 minute compilation of clips of a player flopping/foul baiting just from their first 2 seasons… they would probably be a flopper then?

especially if most of the flops occur in the mid range like shai?

or at least that’s what u claim happens

[hearty phoenix]

do you think everybody’s plays are on a website somewhere?

[iron vale]

https://youtu.be/BOTGrk3ypN0?si=5qFetb0iA7v5H75H

[hearty phoenix]

Have you ever seen LeBron get his ankles crossed and if you did, that’s very rare

[iron vale]

Watch this and tell me Trae isn’t a “flopper”

[lilac cedar]

bron is not a demigod

[hearty phoenix]

Trey is not a flopper. He’s a lightweight he is going to get bumped around bro.

[hearty phoenix]

But he can do everything on the floor

Maybe not a demigod, but he can do anything

[iron vale]

watch the video bro. Do you not watch the games? U not a real fan bro if u don’t watch games and videos of games?

[lilac cedar]

Not shoot

[hearty phoenix]

I sound like I’m glazing, but his prime let’s just admit he was the best player ever

[iron vale]

you asked for research i gave it to u 🥱

[hearty phoenix]

Yeah, I’m not a real fan. I just started watching basketball so I don’t know nothing.

I started watching basketball like last season. I don’t know anything.

[iron vale]

I literally said the first two seasons. Would you like more?

[hearty phoenix]

Go do your research yourself you’re learning finally

Its learning don worry

The thing its learning

[iron vale]

he’s lightweight but he’s initiating the contact 😭

[hearty phoenix]

He’s still lightweight just like Steph Curry they both get final calls

[iron vale]

excellent deflection. Find stats? Deny them and say it’s about watching games. Send film? Invalidate the film

6/10 rage bait nice work

[hearty phoenix]

What is this vocabulary? Did you learn?

And you know what numbers are that’s crazy

yo, this is crazy bro who taught you all this?😂😂

[iron vale]

Steph curry has easily one of the worst whistles in the league. Sounds like you don’t watch games

[hearty phoenix]

No, don’t worry he doesn’t know anything about young Steph Curry and his father cause he doesn’t know anything don’t worry he started watching in 2028

[hearty phoenix]

I’m a warrior fan that’s actually offensive to me🥺

Bro, chill out, bro. I started watching when Kevin Durant got signed.

[iron vale]

curry and LeBron ironically have same of the worst free throw rates among guys that drive as much as they do

[hearty phoenix]

OK, but like no joke, you have no definition of what a good basketball player is you just go with the flow?

[hearty phoenix]

I think LeBron has his fair share of foul calls

You can go do your research yourself prove yourself wrong. That’s better way to do it.

[iron vale]

he doesn’t his FT rate is abysmal for how much he drives

Sounds like you don’t watch games

[hearty phoenix]

Three-pointers he never gets his phone calls never

[hearty phoenix]

Sounds like you’re just going off for people say

Sure, I don’t watch games that’s me. I never watched any games.

[iron vale]

You just said he gets the whistle? Switching up? Hmm

[hearty phoenix]

That wouldn’t make any sense at all

[iron vale]

Sounds like you don’t rlly know

[hearty phoenix]

I’m a Steph Curry fan come on

[iron vale]

You just said curry gets calls yet now u say he doesn’t

Hmm

[hearty phoenix]

Call me some slack bro I’m a warrior fan really

[iron vale]

That’s the thing that explains your IQ in this situation

[hearty phoenix]

I’m a warrior fan man. Don’t do this to me.

[stuck solar]

He has this one move that he does, and I believe that they changed the rule so this is no longer a foul on the defense. I could be wrong about that though

[hearty phoenix]

First of all, your username says that you have a girlfriend which I doubt it because your social skills make any girl uninterested in you. Your profile picture probably looks like you and you have the Basketball IQ of a walnut.

Don’t even talk about IQ bro

Cause I’ve been watching basketball and it saved my life

Don’t ever talk about Basketball IQ

[iron vale]

That one is offset by the warriors dynasty being built on illegal screens

[hearty phoenix]

Basketball is the best thing that’s ever happened to me and everyone

That’s why you should play golf maybe that’ll make you happier. I know you have a forehead vein right now.

[hearty phoenix]

OK, so you’re jealous that the Warriors has championships are you the Charlotte Hornets?

Are you the Charlotte Hornets or not?

you might be a Muggie box I don’t know☠️

☠️☠️

[iron vale]

Since you know so much how about we put a little wager and go on a trivia site and see who “knows more”.

And not just on stats we’ll do one about concepts, schemes etc.

Since apparently you know so much and I don’t watch games?

[hearty phoenix]

You gotta tell me what’s your favorite team then I’ll know exactly what type of amphibian you are

[hearty phoenix]

No, just love googling stuff and stats cause the only way you get stats is being ESPN analyst with Kevin Harlan

[iron vale]

Has nothing to do with illegal screens

[hearty phoenix]

You know the only way to get stats is Google right? You look everything up and you just tell us the same thing as if we can’t go on ourselves go on your own information, buddy.

[iron vale]

Exactly it’ll be on a locked browser I can’t Google anything! I’ll be cooked!

you’ll win easily

[hearty phoenix]

Mr. ESPN analyst how many drives does Jimmy Butler have against the Houston Rockets?

[hearty phoenix]

Make up your own future does that make you happier in life?

[iron vale]

Unless you are scared and truly don’t know anything about basketball

[hearty phoenix]

how am I scared? I’m still arguing with you while laughing at ya texts

Nobody is scared this is online

Nobody is scared just making up your own delusions just feed your own delusions. Feed it with filth.

[iron vale]

I already got more done in my life than you will in the next 30 years.

Now would you like to run it or are u duckin?

[hearty phoenix]

What the hell does this mean?

[iron vale]

well if ur not doing it ur clearly ducking

[hearty phoenix]

Wait, don’t tell me you run it

What do you mean ducky

[iron vale]

do you want to do it or not yes or no

[hearty phoenix]

Do what?

[hearty phoenix]

How do you know it’s gonna happen in the next 30 years you’re just making up your own delusions, feeding it with filth in your walnut size brain

[iron vale]

We will do a trivia quiz on a locked site about anything basketball since u apparently know so much more

[hearty phoenix]

Doesn’t matter, Mr. Walnut is not gonna help you in your future cause😂😂

Keep talking about personal lives and not actual basketball buddy

[hearty phoenix]

First of all, I’m not wasting my time. I actually have a life that I talk to people. Do you know what social communication is or are you a discord moderator?

[iron vale]

ur calling me a walnut brain is personal but go off sassy

[hearty phoenix]

Cause I actually talk to people and I get to know them you know that

[iron vale]

So you are ducking?

[hearty phoenix]

And I’m a sassy, but it doesn’t matter cause I still talk to people do you know what that is?

[iron vale]

so it’s a no?

[hearty phoenix]

Whatever I don’t care, bro I have a life

bro @topaz heron get this

😂😂

Bro, because he just lost so he’s getting scared like a mouse

The reason is because he’s trying to prove me wrong by playing some game with me cause you know he’s a child so he doesn’t have anything else to do

All right, then I’m out

[iron vale]

I’m sure you do. Considering you have almost 1,000 messages in here in the span of less than week 💀

[hearty phoenix]

I’m not no teacher for this little child little juvenile

[hearty phoenix]

Well, look who’s replying

Smartacus goodbye, walnut brain

[iron vale]

two frauds owned today

https://tenor.com/view/sga-sga-trophy-shai-gilgeous-alexander-okc-okc-finals-gif-16617816515884232839

[hearty phoenix]

Make your own delusion make yourself feel better without any friends, right

Now leave us alone

[hearty phoenix]

this is definitely not corny 😐

I know exactly why he’s doing this so he can feel better about himself when the argument is over

Which is now

He’s obviously a teenager probably started watching in 2023☠️☠️☠️

and goes abt his life about talking to ChatGPT when he’s alone

[hearty phoenix]

I still wanna know how he looks in real life saying stuff like this☠️

like imagine him standing up and saying that’s, so corny bro

Been started since 2015ish i was little

I took it seriously around 2019

Yeah, you just gotta actually watch the games which I know you do

You can still use stats, but that’s just numbers you know

I mean, look up WILT chamberlain he should be the goat because of his stats, right?

Yeap

[lilac cedar]

since stats aren’t your favorite then what’s your measurement of how good they are

[hearty phoenix]

No, they’re definitely very important. I just think comparing players.

[lilac cedar]

comparing players?

[hearty phoenix]

I don’t know right now, bro. I’m tired.

I’ll say this though I think you’ll get a more understanding if you watch the game

[lilac cedar]

if I had to guess for you I would say it’s the eye test

[hearty phoenix]

Like thoroughly if you actually watch

[hearty phoenix]

?

Are you trying to insult me or something?

[lilac cedar]

uh no

[hearty phoenix]

OK

[lilac cedar]

im guessing your favorite measurement is the eye test

[hearty phoenix]

Oh yeah, you’re definitely right 100%

[lilac cedar]

but the eye test isn’t the most important

[hearty phoenix]

I respect you for even noticing that

Oh no, I know what you mean. Stats are also important.

[lilac cedar]

up there but not the most

[hearty phoenix]

It’s like building blocks

[lilac cedar]

yeah

and accolades

[hearty phoenix]

Yeah

Yeah, awards obviously I mean they earned it

[lilac cedar]

I would say stats and accomplishments are swappable

[hearty phoenix]

I don’t mean that nothing matters just watching I think watching in the moment you get a better feel that’s what I mean obviously everything matters

[hearty phoenix]

Proof is that MVP voting hundred percent you can see

You know ball

[lilac cedar]

and also you can win a ring while never playing more than 5 mins

[hearty phoenix]

Yeah, just go ask Patrick McCall

I think I don’t remember him playing as much

[lilac cedar]

i would still rather debate a stat watcher than a accolade watcher

[hearty phoenix]

Obviously

[lilac cedar]

like you wouldn’t put shai over harden atleast rn just cause he has a ring

[hearty phoenix]

Cause the award watchers they never picked up a basketball in their life so

Exactly they don’t even play basketball in real life so they don’t even know what a euro step is they don’t know what a hop step or stuff like that. They don’t know anything

[lilac cedar]

yup

[lilac cedar]

hey he did just win his franchise first ring

[hearty phoenix]

Congratulations to him. He deserves it having a terrific season he couldn’t have just lost to the Pacers

[lilac cedar]

kevin who you think better magic or curry

[stuck solar]

people call Tatum corny all the time but ts the thunder and their players do is wild

[lilac cedar]

they winning though

[hearty phoenix]

Steph Curry

[lilac cedar]

imagine them in a few years I don’t even think most have hit their primes

[hearty phoenix]

if you wanted to debate, we could do it another time

[lilac cedar]

just asking ur opinion

[hearty phoenix]

I honestly just joke around about stuff like that

[hearty phoenix]

Yeah

[stuck solar]

technically the Thunder have a ring from the Sonics era since they took the history with them

[lilac cedar]

that’s a whole different team

since they rebranded

but ig it kind of is

[elder marsh]

Someone that plays on pc?

[hearty phoenix]

them sonic fans still want their team back

[elder marsh]

😭

[lilac cedar]

not getting it back zero chance

[cloud radish]

my dad has alot of jerseys

[hearty phoenix]

I hope the NBA expanded their teams in the future

[lilac cedar]

they supposed to be expanding

to like mexico or something

[hearty phoenix]

yeah, they gotta make it more international so the soccer fans can stop making fun of world championships

[lilac cedar]

but when wemby becomes the goat they gonna say expansion era like jordan

[hearty phoenix]

Yeah

[lilac cedar]

soccer is also more accessible

[hearty phoenix]

Now Wemby is definitely gonna be the goat, but injuries might kill him

[lilac cedar]

than basketball

[lilac cedar]

he hasn’t been too bad with injuries

[stuck solar]

Yeah but they still have the history. Like if that's the argument, then the Lakers don't get to claim any of the Minneapolis Lakers rings LOL

[lilac cedar]

only one blood clot

[elder marsh]

Plz can someone help me ??

😭

😦

[lilac cedar]

“but ig it kind of is”

[hearty phoenix]

Chris Bosh

He was supposed to be so good

He was supposed to last longer, bro

[lilac cedar]

it was cause he repeated the same motions and all that traveling

[elder marsh]

Can someone help????

[lilac cedar]

with what

[elder marsh]

My pc running nba 2k25 really laggy

[lilac cedar]

chris had recurring blood clots way different

[elder marsh]

Like something wrong with the settings

Yup

[lilac cedar]

idk I don’t play on pc

but 2k is also buggy in general

[hearty phoenix]

NBA 2K 25 PC mods are insane. That’s a hackkk.

they look exactly like real life. I

It is mods they have jersey physics, better, lighting, new face, scans, and stuff like that

[lilac cedar]

wnba has cards now cool

[hearty phoenix]

If you go on YouTube and look up some stuff, you’ll see it

On YouTube go look up NBA 2K 26 gameplay

they played 2K 25 but modded and they just say 2K 26

I have a PC I’m just too lazy to do anything

I don’t use it. It’s very trashy I could upgrade it, but it takes too long.

[ebon geode]

Angel is my favorite WNBA player and unless you’re rage baiting this is weird. She’s a 6’4 primary rebounder. She wouldn’t be able to do that in the NBA and you know that. She isn’t a great scorer and her playmaking is only decent. Her rebounding is really her best skill and she’s not rebounding over 7 footers

[hearty phoenix]

It’s obvious rage bait. He said NBC look at his username too.

[ebon geode]

Ah lol

[hearty phoenix]

Yeah, don’t worry about it. A lot of people like to do that.

[lilac cedar]

now that I think about it how are wnba players supposed to be good

no way they will be good when nba players are usable too

[lament ether]

would max strus be a top 3 player in the league right now

if he was a starter

[deep mauve]

Game changer

[lilac cedar]

nah but if I was in the league👀👀

giving you 40/30/10

[lament ether]

if strus was a first option he'd average a triple double with no assists

[tawny jasper]

Ben Simmons FMVP

[eager schooner]

Sk

[sharp slate]

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[static kelp]

Craptastic

[lilac sparrow]

,m]

[timid magnet]

Someone dogout ?

[low fog]

we always pointed harden out

gerrbert.

[lilac cedar]

why not kobe or jordan

[lilac cedar]

didn’t do it btw

[deft tiger]

Yo

[dusk star]

yo

[eternal shoal]

Hi guys who would ypu consider the best hooper from europe?

From all the time list

[dusk star]

dirk

[eternal shoal]

I mean besides those who got into nba

Or who didnt have a long nba career

I have some hot takes

I would suggest maybe someone like drazen petrovic

[tall otter]

Tony Parker

4 rings . 6 all stars

[hallow pollen]

six seven

[eternal shoal]

i mean who has no season in the nba

tp had around 10

so

i am not counting him

[lilac cedar]

luka

that’s the kid from real madrid he been balling out recently

[static mulch]

Idk jokic might have an argument for him. If he manages to win one more championship.

[stuck solar]

If we're just talking about guys who didn't have a long NBA career (<5 years), but did have an NBA career, I'd say it's between Drazen Petrovic and Arvydas Sabonis

[charred storm]

luka garza

[dawn mortar]

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[shy minnow]

Shut up lil bro

[glossy pasture]

Angel has NO playmaking
And she can only rebound when it's her shot that gets blocked

[ebon geode]

Tell me you don’t watch the WNBA without telling me you don’t watch the WNBA

[glossy pasture]

Tell me you watch the WNBA seriously

Sad

Then tell me how many turnovers reese has had in the past 5 games

[ebon geode]

I didn’t count so I’ll Google it

24

[glossy pasture]

See a problem with this number

Go lookup how many turnovers curry has in his past 5 games

Or any nba player

[ebon geode]

It would be more far if I picked a PF, I’ll go check Giannis

[glossy pasture]

Sure

And how about you check lebrons last 5 game turnover count

That's who reese compared herself to

[ebon geode]

23

Giannis has 23 turnovers in his last 5 games

LeBron has had 13

Idc what Angel Reese thinks about herself though she’s arrogant, she’s closer to Giannis than LeBron

Just found the LeBron clip you’re talking about. Someone else said she was doing what LeBron was doing and Angel laughed

[eternal shoal]

Who is lil

[shy minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-trump-2024-trump-dancing-trump-dance-i-see-you-gif-18238543777420077119

[eternal shoal]

Maybe just you

Kid

[shy minnow]

You lil bro

[eternal shoal]

I guess your age is not over 18 years old and you have a high ego from valorant

So I would assume you are in that category

[shy minnow]

Self reflection lil bro

[eternal shoal]

Where are you from?

[shy minnow]

Android user in 2025