vesta suggestion

[timid otter]

Right now i think shes usually very bad. She works the same as the item that doubles a targets soulburn. But she deals no dmg and takes a really long time to attack.

My suggestion:
Make vestas text be:
“Apply 1 souldburn. Trigger soulburn on hit targets.
Barrage.”

This essentially serves as a “double soulburn” but by triggering it and doing something now.
If this is way too good, then alter her stats or make it 6 turns to activate?
Or lower her hp to 6 to make her more vulnerable

[grave marsh]

Again would make her too good. Compare her to jumbo (the 2nd best companion in the game in my opinion). Jumbo has 5 more hp, 1 less timer and a drawback of hitting the ally behind. This vesta would have the very slight advantage of dealing 6 effective damage on a 4 timer at base compared to jumbo who deals 3 on a 3 timer on top of this being able to be targeted by ||lumin vase AND lupa|| and INSTANTLY triggering overburn would negate overburn’s one bad fight being the vanquish fight. Don’t have enough || overburn to kill the jailer but want junker dead? You can just have vesta INSTANTLY pop the overburn you’ve already applied and instantly murder the junker||

Overburn would have literally 0 weak fights

I repeat. Overburn would have 0 weak fights

You have an overburn deck you just cannot lose

Even the most meta builds have weaknesses

Nova? She only activates a once or twice per fight so you need to make it count

Jumbo/foxee have bonecats (jumbo aswell has hogs)

Shroom suffers a lot without fungo blaster

I could go on

Every build needs to have some weaknesses so they don’t become an instant free win

[grave marsh]

(This ALSO negates the weakness overburn has for bosses where the boss has significantly more hp than it’s support)

[tiny hawk]

this would suck ass ngl, triggering overburn early just means that you lose combo money - you dont actually kill the enemies faster
vesta currently has 8 hp (tied for the tankiest SM-exclusive unit with berry sis, egg, and taiga), has barrage at base, and doubles overburn (both incredibly powerful effects). She's not OP at base but she's still strong enough to stand on her own. She doesn't even need overburn sources to bring good value - the health means she can tank a ton of hits that you wouldn't be able to tank otherwise, and the barrage means you can scale up her damage and completely ignore the overburn side of it. If you do have overburn though - she's an incredible source of damage on tankier enemies - and can be made A LOT stronger via stuff like balance charm, jimbo charm, sun charm and sunglass charm, just to name a few.

[grave marsh]

I think they mean trigger as in deal overburn damage but not consume it

How else would it be “doubling” like they said

[tiny hawk]

oh

then that would be too OP

[timid otter]

I feel a bit stupid asking this but is it ok that im giving these suggestions?
Im a bit stressed about if im clogging up the suggestion section with bad ideas

[grave marsh]

It’s completely fine bro

[tiny hawk]

its okay but you can group them into one suggestion

[grave marsh]

We all have our hot takes

The important thing is seeing when it’s just you or when it’s a community opinion

[tiny hawk]

and also the devs aren't planning major content updates and we've received a balance patch since the last major update so i doubt we're getting anything after the next bug-fixing patch comes out

[grave marsh]

I hate chicken with my soul but i’d never suggest a chicken buff because i know a lot of people think chicken is very good

[left bobcat]

Vesta is not that bad just more situational. Barrage means easy buffs and 8 health is not bad either.

[vale pewter]

Okay your proposed buff is way too much but vesta needs a buff, as somebody pointed out she only works properly in the last fight

[empty spade]

She has 8 health and barrage, idk what else you need for the non-last fights. I don't think a top tier unit needs a buff.

[winter rapids]

This kinda defeats the purpose of the character though. Thats just a completely different character

[winter rapids]

I mean she just carried me through a game up to the stupid gunk beetle guys and took down Moko pretty damn quick in combo with my leader and Shen. She can be pretty OP if you have Krono on the board too. Tbh I think you guys have just been using her wrong. If I can consistently make great use of her while sucking balls at Wildfrost I think you guys just have a play style that doesn’t mesh with her ability

[frail canyon]

Vesta is perfectly fine, she's got a 4 counter and innate Barrage, she's begging for you to pull off shenanigans like with Jumbo

A 4 counter is not "a really long time"

That's the norm

And it makes her line up with Shen

[plucky river]

if you get her with the overburn barrage leader you literally demolish entire boards what do you mean shes bad

[tiny hawk]

this is a suggestion from like months ago my guy

[plucky river]

the game needs more activity anyways, you as a skeleton should appreciate a good necro smh

[vale pewter]

well the thing is im pretty sure he is in love with her and thinks she is perfect already :3

[tiny hawk]

i am not in love with vesta, i am in love with shen

but yea i wouldn't change vesta either i think vesta is awesome

[tiny hawk]

that's fair that's fair (though its also not like we're getting any updates anymore)

[plucky river]

sadly 😭