white gull
Absolutely broken in the ||true last boss fight||, basically a stunlock for an entire fight in common fights. Consume doesn't make the situation better.
Maybe make it 9 
instead of 12 ? Or maybe add another condition, for example Heals some 
(maybe half , or maybe it simply ADDS instead), since, well, it is a CAKE, tasty food and all.
Also truly broken with Pengu charm
somber ermine
Wait that’s genius
fathom ermine
Hmm not really. IIt can be powerful, but the combo is hard to pull off (draft wise), and it sucks against ||the true boss when you can't recall. As said in the other post, I think that this fight would be much harder with Snowcake being less powerful.||
white gull
Hmm not really. IIt can be powerful, but the combo is hard to pull off (draft wi...
Well then, it's the fight's problem, not the one of the snowcake. I don't think devs intended to make the Snowcake another card that you must to take to finish the run.
fathom ermine
Imo, this particular fight has many problems, although it still works as a challenge. It "just" makes 50% of all the stuff really bad.
In my #1145657039557775472 , I mentioned Snowcake as a potential issue, but was reluctant to propose a nerf for it since the card is mendatordy for me for true boss :/
honest willow
making it a heal would be interesting (I like your reasoning), not sure how big of a nerf it would be since you put it on an enemy you want to ignore anyways
fathom ermine
Could give extra hp instead, but reducing the amount seems like the most elegant solution.
honest willow
it is, I just like keeping the ridiculous nature of the card
also I think for a direct nerf to its now amount to be substantial, it has to be a low enough number for the enemy to unsnow in their lifetime
like 12 is way more than enough to remove them in most cases
feel like 9 would still be somewhat more than enough
fathom ermine
I'll add it on my Balance Patch next time I play it.
plush flume
I agree that a lower number would have made some final battles a lot more interesting. Though I'd actually prefer 7 or 8 as the sweet spot for unfreezing crusher before the fight gets too easy. (Plus then the achievement could be lowered to 10 Snow and become more achievable without cake.)
white gull
7 and 8 snow are basically worse Storm globe with cake charm, so I don't think that it is gonna be enough
plush flume
I've put cake charm on storm globe before and felt pretty good about it. And that's a good card with a very good charm.
honest willow
yeah I wouldn't say another card is better because you used arguably the best charm in the game on it
somber ermine
7 and 8 snow are basically worse Storm globe with cake charm, so I don't think t...
The singular item should be worse than the item + charm combo yes
white gull
yeah maybe that makes sence
honest willow
part of me was considering a high amount of snow and frost
but less snow than before of course
would be basically a good amount of turns plus their next attack that they get stalled for
raw bronze
Absolutely broken in the ||true last boss fight||, basically a stunlock for an e...
If you make it so that snowcake adds health, then doesn't it just become even better? Because you could also throw it on your own guys, recall them to remove snow and then throw them back in the line with extra bulk.
honest willow
sure, but if you do that you're not using it on the enemy
which is also the reason I think pengu snowcake isn't that strong
also recalling heals anyways, but it's only by 5 so it could be something on higher hp allies
raw bronze
Healing and adding health are two different things, I commented on the second suggestion.
honest willow
oh, whoops
still, removing something from the fight is probably better
most the time
especially on ||vanquish, where most the things don't have snow immunity and you can't recall anyways||
raw bronze
Idk, it can be done fairly easy with a small deck and redraw counter. You could buff your guy, cycle your hand and play the card in a single turn since sending your guy out doesn't cost an action
With snowcake + charm that would turn into a +12 attack +5 health buff for basically free.
honest willow
eh, I don't think that's free but that's still nice
raw bronze
Cake charm on top of that and you have a monster card.
plush flume
You can't cake a cake
honest willow
^
raw bronze
Ah true, well lantern then
honest willow
just give it ||lumin||, obviously
can use that in fights before the one where you can't recall at least
raw bronze
Maybe that's what the nerf should be. Cake cards should be like a regular card that has the cake charm on it. So 8 snow
7-8 snow more like it
honest willow
8 is probably still good
my thing about that number is it probably doesn't change the card much except for a certain boss
white gull
Ah true, well lantern then
Can't lantern an item
honest willow
most things will also die in 8 turns
raw bronze
Yes you can?
white gull
Can ||vase|| the items, not lantern
raw bronze
Ah, semantics on my part
white gull
8 is probably still good
I bet that 8 snow snowcake is the nerf they should make
honest willow
yeah
I don't think 8 will change its status much, will still be an always take that removes most enemies from the fight
but maybe less enemies
raw bronze
8 would make it slightly better than a caked snowstick but worse than a caked blizzard bottle* (in terms of added snow)
plush flume
It would match blizzard bottle cake, kinda nice.
raw bronze
No blizzard bottle would be 9 right?
white gull
Snowstick is a starter deck card, I do not think that it should be considered
raw bronze
So is blizz bottle
Anyway, best nerf is probably just to reduce it. Adding a heal doesn't really matter because you will probably freeze something you don't intend to kill for a while anyway.
honest willow
yeah that's fair
although your thing about combining it with pengu sold me on it a little
raw bronze
Potential 24 attack and 10 health boost, big boi energy right there on Foxxy.