The Downgrade Bell sparkled this idea, but the devs proposed rework seems more interesting to me. It could maybe replace Jinx Bell, since it has a similar feel to it. The ideia is that the crowns would be cursed with negative effects (the effects from the cursed charms). Every card crowned with it would get the effect while crowned. It would make so that the player had more control over the curses while still forcing the player to put curses on useful things in the run, and I think choosing how to distribute the different cursed crowns would make an interesting decision problem.
#Cursed Crowns
pseudo ledge
keen grotto
I remember someone talking about cursed crowns a couple of days ago, and I would certainly be interested in seeing them
narrow epoch
👀 really like this idea - I also saw someone mention it in #frosty-feedback
pseudo ledge
I was the one mentioning them... I didn't know about this channel and posted there. (Just saw that a few people like the ideia also and were talking there)
keen grotto
Oh sick!
small ridge
i like this idea, but how would that work with crowns being able to be attached to spells as well as units.
keen grotto
it could just be that some crowns can only applied to certain cards in the same way that some charms can only be applied to certain cards
don't have a damage stat? Sorry, can't be crowned. Oh also, the damaging card you put it on will apply 2 spice (idk, just spitballin, the idea is if you smack an enemy, they get strong, but also, thats very easy to make your friendlies stronger instead...)
small ridge
i would not be a big fan of being restricted what cards to put crowns on to be honest.
keen grotto
I guess what would be the design goal behind them:
- Force crowns to not be playable on certain cards, meaning you have to deal with the crowns curse as best as you can
- The curses on the crowns really only negatively affect certain cards, and thus you just avoid putting it on those cards in the first place, meaning you're trying to find different crown combos than you might naturally want to go for
i personally am ok with either option. I like the first option more because it forces a downgrade on your deck. From what I can tell, the current gripe with the cursed charms auto being on some cards is that it effectively removes options to chose from (when would I ever pick the card with the cursed charm). This means you can avoid actually downgrading your deck, you just get less total options in a run. Similarly, if I could put a crown on any card and completely bypass it's negative effect (and thus not actually downgrading my deck), I would feel like it's not actually challenging me.
but that's just my gut feelings on it
small ridge
yeah both options feel kind of bad design wise, if you block players from using crowns when they don't have a negative effect, you take agency from deckbuilding which is the most fun part of the game and if you allow crowns to be placed where they don't have a negative effect you run into the same issue cursed charms have, that is you can avoid the downside too easily.
keen grotto
I guess in my mind, a cursed crown would both restrict which cards it can be placed on and also apply an ideally small negative effect. So you're still getting the benefit of a crown, but you are forced to make a difficult decision.
and to me, that is interesting
small ridge
in general i like more difficulty bells and more options, so if the restrictions of crowns is one bell among many and another one is like downgrading your team as in other suggestions i am fine with crowns being very restrictive as an option. but in general it doesn't sound particularly fun to me
keen grotto
yeah, I totally feel that
small ridge
better than cursed charms for sure
clear dirge
Feel like to make this work the cursed crowns would have to be separate from normal crowns as an item and be required to be applied in order to continue.
They also would not function as traditional crowns but could be applied to crowned units as well (double crown?)
hollow halo
Hear me out, all crowns are cursed aside from the leaders
pseudo ledge
it could just be that some crowns can only applied to certain cards in the same ...
that's how I see it too...
pseudo ledge
As a challenge bell I feel like that should be the case. I also prefer the first option proposed by @keen grotto, just like good chams that can't be played on certain units, not so bad curses (the ones that don't wouldn't have negative effects, should not be played on certain units), maybe the effects could be a bit more mild... I would rather wait a few turns to play a unit than play it on crown phase having -4 attack. And I feel like been able to move crowns is an important aspect of it... you don't have to think so far ahead like you do for cursed charms, you can always remove it (maybe one of the curses could be not being able to remove it).
keen grotto
Some other cursed crown ideas could be:
- This companion gains 1 snow
- This companion gains 2 Frost
- This companion gains hogheaded
- This item gains 2 Frost
- This item gains consume
- This item gains "when played -1 enemy bell counter"
- This item gains "when played, count down a random enemy by 1"
so it messes with the cards but rarely shuts them down
- this card gains "Junk 1" (or maybe Deadweight 1)
stuff like that
languid flame
Wouldn't it also be good if you could use cursed crowns for your own good?
Like say for example a crown with a frostbite effect that reduces the card's effect by 1
This could suck but also run well for things like mega mimik or clunkers in general
keen grotto
Yeah, I think with the way the game is designed, it would be really difficult to avoid edge cases where a cursed crown is actually beneficial. I mean, we already see that with the current set of cursed charms, and I think that's ok. It makes the player feel clever
As long as the cursed crowns are a problem the large majority of the time, that is
languid flame
also also
wouldn't it make sense if the cursed crowns came from boss fights as opposed to getting a cursed crown from shop? I feel like it makes sense thematically
cause yk, you defeat the boss, he curses you and such
Obviously that'll be the previous beta all over again with an influx in crowns
But just wanted to share the thought
keen grotto
I really like the current number of crowns. I personally would just have it be all crowns and have the bell give you a lot of storm points
I'm also really excited to see the cursed crowns being tested on the #wtf-are-we-doing channel!
languid flame
Sameeee