Gnome Traveller

[lost whale]

I like all other events, but this one I avoid like the plague 90% of times. The only 10% I will activelly go to this event is in a junk-hungry Clunkmaster build.
Yeah you can just go to it and not grab anything so it work as a 'blank' event.

But I think it should be more attrative overall I have a couple of suggestions:

1. Charm Gnome Traveller: the cards come with charms - that would be a step on the charm vendor toes, so not sure;

2. It shows cards from others tribe here, so you could have access to summon on a clunckmaster run, or ink/boom in a snow run, and so on. So if you are playing Snow for example 3 cards shows 1 is a neutral, 1 is a shade card and 1 is clunk card;

3. Create 5~6 unique cards - similar to the lumin vase - that ONLY show here. Something strong than average card but the drawback is the junk into the deck. And if you have 5~6 cards it is not a guarantee that will show exactly what you want;

4. Only one of the 3 cards has a junk behind it (so 33% chance if you only pick one card), making on average a better treasure;

[sharp widget]

I like all of these

[hallow lagoon]

Yeah, this event is largely just bad...

I'd take any of these

What if you could only take one but they all had crowns

(And it still gives you the junk)

I'd just mostly like more ways to get crowns...

[lost whale]

Crownswould also be amazing

[marsh herald]

I think crowns would be problematic because they aren’t locked to cards, so you would just take all the crowned cards for the crowns?

[ionic sedge]

I think the gnome traveller is fine tbh

getting multiple cards and munching the junk later isn't a huge deal, and the checkpoint bells (redraw timer and draw an extra card) offset the junk considerably

I don't think charms or crowns work as the former just duplicates charm merchant and the latter is either broken or detrimental as not every card even wants to be crowned

and cards from other tribes is extremely swingy (Shademancers don't have clunkers so no use for scrap-based cards, pretty much no other tribe is comfortable sacrificing their own units as the sacrifice effects are balanced around being able to do it repeatedly with infinite summons)

fungo blaster and pepper flag outright useless for the other tribes etc.

that would make the event weaker than it currently is

and creating a handful of cards exclusive to this event adds an undesirable degree of predictability to the game

[random wharf]

this node is better then the treasure node

in late game cause you arent forced to bloat your deck

i completely disagree in buffing it

[lost whale]

So just make a blank event that has nothing in it... if the reason it is better than treasure is that you can just pick nothing. 😕

Also it should be better than treasure, since it is a event you need to unlock. Compare it with the dupe card and the charm vendor. Gnome merchant don't get even close.

[rose tinsel]

It's like some curse events in slay the spire

Sometimes the cards are just too good, and you can take the junk and get rid of it later. Or if you feel like you can't handle the junk, you can skip it

I agree with phoenix on how it can really cut down forced bloat and help

[lost whale]

But in StS curses has a lot of synergies, here only clunkmaster has some

[rose tinsel]

Again, sometimes the cards can be really worth it.

[lost whale]

sometimes it is ? yeah i agree

[rose tinsel]

Either way, it can be seen as free cards/skip

[lost whale]

i would 100% time go for a treaure over gnome merchant

and that is not a good felling on a unlocked event

[rose tinsel]

I mean, that's how you play man.

I personally would want to avoid treasure, especially if I already have a big enough deck and don't want to pick any forced cards

That's why gnome can be good, it doesn't force a card onto you

[lost whale]

Again... the argument is that is good because it is nothing. I aggre it is a good feature of it, but most of times unless it is THE card i need or i'm playing clunkmaster junk-hunger i will just look at the cards and pick nothing

[rose tinsel]

It's not just nothing, I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. It's an option to be something, or nothing.

If it was just nothing plain out, that'd be boring.

[lost whale]

in the charm/dupe event i usually want to go or even plan to go to it to make my deck strong

[rose tinsel]

But especially if the two paths were something like a gnome traveler and a bling snail cave, and then the other one was two treasure chests. It's obvious which one is the better one.

[lost whale]

i don't mind having curse-related-mechanics, if you have a paioff of doing so in some way, and only clunk have

[rose tinsel]

But it also really depends on play style

[lost whale]

i would probably go 2 treasures if i got a good money for a later regular merchant

[rose tinsel]

Than that's just your gameplay style

And there's nothing wrong with that lol

[lost whale]

i guess it is, if it was not an unlocked event i would probably have less gritt with it

would be the '90% blank event'

but also a change even a small one that made more on par with dupe/charm merchant would probably go a long way for any kind of gameplay. Could even be a simple as instead of 3 cards show 6 show

so the chance of relevant card be much higher

or 4 or 5* if 6 is too much

[ionic sedge]

6 cards would be insanely broken lol

4 cards would be fine but I don't think it's necessary

[lost whale]

yeah even I - that made the suggestion - think that 6 would be crazy broken hehe. I think 4~5 would make more...interesting if you really searching for a especific card. Then there is a reason to go to it.

[marsh herald]

I think the value of the node for the first two factions isn’t the meat of what OP is talking about (and I don’t agree that it needs a buff), it’s that the relative value of the node is so dramatically different if you’re playing clunkmasters. Like it’s already a great node and then for them it’s even better

[hallow lagoon]

i think this is p,robs still fine since you have to take junk and a card you might have not wanted idk

also i seriously think that this event is not fine

its the THIRD EVENT YOU UNLOCK and i literally never take anything from it unless i'm playing clunkmasters or the card is insanely good

and at that point it might as well have been a chest

great

i got junk and a card

[marsh herald]

Fair enough, personally I think crowns are the strongest thing in the game, I would take fistfuls of junk for crowns

[hallow lagoon]

and the logic of it being a "card you don't have to take" is an incredibly bad take imo

[ionic sedge]

TBH I feel like you're putting too much emphasis on that it's unlockable, 99% of your time playing this game will be spent with everything unlocked

[hallow lagoon]

to be fair that's why i said you can only get one but understandable

ok but the other two events are insanely good compared to normal map events

dupe a card, potentially with multiple charms on it, or a charm seller choice?

[random wharf]

this is a reason to nerf them imo

[ionic sedge]

I mean sure but the best map event is still the shop

[hallow lagoon]

the gnome doesn't compare at all

[marsh herald]

Honestly I think that’s a problem but that might be a spicy take

[random wharf]

free card cloning is too good

should cost money

[ionic sedge]

nah I wouldn't like to see that

[hallow lagoon]

that just sounds not fun

[random wharf]

but im 100% sure me suggesting that makes people hate it

[hallow lagoon]

what no i just don't like nerfing things

[random wharf]

cause they think the game is hard enough

[hallow lagoon]

and the game is hard enough yea

i was about to say that LOL

[random wharf]

thats why i haven't bothered suggesting it

[ionic sedge]

I don't think having to pay to clone would be the good kind of difficulty

[random wharf]

its dumb the event is free thou

[ionic sedge]

like it's difficulty not challenge ygm

[random wharf]

as mentioned it causes an imbalance of event power

[hallow lagoon]

it really isnt dumb the event is free its decently rare and you have to find the card you really wanna clone beforehand which only happens to me like 30-40% of the time

[marsh herald]

I mean this is a subjective point because it comes down to how people feel about meta progression

[hallow lagoon]

i think it's genuinely fine for there to just be more powerful nodes on the map??

[random wharf]

powerful is fine

[marsh herald]

Like some people (me) do not want unlocks to make you stronger

[random wharf]

but it shouldnt be free

unlocks should provide more ways to win

[hallow lagoon]

i just wouldn't go if it costed money 80% of the time because crowns are that important

[random wharf]

not just give you hand me outs

[ionic sedge]

tbf it's technically not free since choosing the route with it on has an opportunity cost to it

[hallow lagoon]

^

[ionic sedge]

it also scales based on how late it appears drastically which is unavoidable

but an early cloner is pretty weak

[random wharf]

eh thats not really a consideration

[hallow lagoon]

yeah finding it early really does nothing

which happens to me a lot

[random wharf]

since its not random events

you can pre plan it

based on if you have a card to clone or not

[lost whale]

Yeah dupe is insane compared to gnome, and even charm merchant is veeery far ahead. I would buff gnone instead of nerfing dupe, but i can see why someone suggest nerfing a dupe, it is that strong for sure

[random wharf]

i hate gnome myself

but i hate it for different reasons then you

you think its weak i think its boring

[lost whale]

i think it is weak AND boring

very boring

the most boring of all events, including just plain bling

[hallow lagoon]

it is literally the worst of both worlds

[random wharf]

plain bling isnt boring to me thou

[lost whale]

me neither xD

[rose tinsel]

This is all subjective on how someone wants to play

[hallow lagoon]

i feel like the bling banks tbh should always at least give you 50 or more but otherwise i think they're fine

[rose tinsel]

That's what makes suggestions like these so hard to actually implement

[random wharf]

40 to 80 is fine

why buff it to 50 randomly?

[rose tinsel]

Cuz if it doesn't piss off someone now, it'll piss someone off the way they "fixed" it

[hallow lagoon]

cause it's a pretty wide range and 50 is the cost of 1 charm from the shop

its mostly fine the way it is

just a personal pref

but anyway deck bloat is pretty much always bad and the gnome is like "deck bloat the event"

[random wharf]

my personal preference is it doesnt give you junk

it gives you curse

[lost whale]

but do we all aggre that out of the 3 unlocks events this one is the worst one right? being for being weak or boring

[hallow lagoon]

yeah it is by far the worst one

[rose tinsel]

I don't agree with that one but lol

[random wharf]

so it doesnt synergize with tribe 3

[hallow lagoon]

hard disagree

if this event is made worse

i will literlaly never

[rose tinsel]

It's different, but not worse

[hallow lagoon]

ever

go there

[rose tinsel]

They're all equal to me

[lost whale]

do you think it is better than dupe and charm merchant @rose tinsel ?

[random wharf]

its the same card

[lost whale]

interesting

[random wharf]

that does nothing

just isnt a junk card

[rose tinsel]

Read what I just said

[lost whale]

i type while you respond sorry

[rose tinsel]

All good

[hallow lagoon]

ok but you can still actually use junk as the other clans to bonk fungun or shen tbf

[ionic sedge]

tbh of the three I would go to the gnome if they appeared early in the run

[hallow lagoon]

it would objecitvely be worse

[random wharf]

waste of an action

[rose tinsel]

But like I said before, even if they implemented a change, it would make some other group of players upset

[lost whale]

but something like

4 choices

it is a small change for all kinds of playstyle

[random wharf]

if krono appeared in that shop

[rose tinsel]

4 choices I'd say is fine yeah

[random wharf]

i take it 100% of the time

i never not take krono

[hallow lagoon]

i mean yeah but i could also just find him in a treasure chest

i still would never go unless i want everytihng else on the route

[lost whale]

because even treasure has 4 choices sometiems with the bell

[hallow lagoon]

^ the last bell makes treasure nodes BETTER

than the gnome

[lost whale]

yeah

[random wharf]

i always take routes with no treasure chest

so sometimes im forced along gnome

treasure chest is the worst node in this game

i 100% avoid it if i can

[lost whale]

i don't mind, to take 1 or 2 early run

usually 1

[random wharf]

i dont need it early

[ionic sedge]

tbf I think the option to skip getting an item from a chest is likely to be added since everyone wants it to be

[random wharf]

i can beat act 1 boss without any additional cards

[ionic sedge]

which makes chests less worth skipping

[lost whale]

if they add skip to chest

than gnome become even worst

[random wharf]

it wont happen

[lost whale]

like 10x worst than treasure

[random wharf]

i asked about it in the demo

it was intentionally designed like this

they gave a reason about not giving skip

[ionic sedge]

oh, fair enough

in that case gnome retains that use case yeah

[random wharf]

they literally removed it on purpose after adding it

[indigo jasper]

A simple idea I had would be to make it so the first item you take doesn't give junk but afterwards if you take the other 2 you gain a junk

[ionic sedge]

I could get behind that tbh ^

[lost whale]

that would be cool @indigo jasper

[ionic sedge]

that's the first proposed change that I enjoy in concept

[random wharf]

maybe chance based?

50% on first item 75% next 100% last

[lost whale]

chance based i suggested 33%

[ionic sedge]

I don't see the merit in making it chance based

[lost whale]

like 1 of the items have junk behind

[ionic sedge]

GreenDigi's suggestion is a very neat chest+

[random wharf]

but thats bad

then it cant be skipped

is my proposal

if first item has no trash

otherwise its just chest in the end

with no down side

[lost whale]

it is a better chest

it should be better than chest overall

[random wharf]

why?

that makes no sense it has to be better

[lost whale]

because you had to unlock it and dupe and charm are on the same 'page' xD

[random wharf]

thats like saying all the charms you unlock should be as good as each other

thats definitely not true

[hallow lagoon]

look, if you unlock something, it should feel kind of good and powerful-- most of the unlocks in this game are generally better than the starting set of stuff, even if there are winning combos and stuff in the existing set

[lost whale]

charm merchant is better than treasure? and dupe are better than treasure? yeah by a long margin

[hallow lagoon]

krono is the last clunker you unlock for good reason

[random wharf]

why?

seems subjective this is true

so what you are saying is the gnome shop is fine to be bad

[hallow lagoon]

no?

[random wharf]

if we make it the first unlock

cause the last unlock is the best

[hallow lagoon]

it should still be better than the base set imo

[random wharf]

you arent really giving a real reason other then i dont like it

[lost whale]

well usually the reason we suggest any change is because we don't like, but also we don't like when compared to something that is basically on the same page of unlock

so it has a comparative

[random wharf]

not all unlocks are thr same thou?

krono being a huge example

why are the other unlocks on that page as good

same with charms

why do most the unlock charms suck

[hallow lagoon]

they literaly dont?

[random wharf]

fury is terrible

it just dilutes your pool

[hallow lagoon]

what is that one i dont have it

[random wharf]

the 3 damage 1 counter is terrible

very niche usage of it

there are plenty of charms that are just meh or bad

that get unlocked

[lost whale]

i aggre fury is kinda fell bad most of time

[hallow lagoon]

ill be real most of the charms ive unlocked so far have been cool and fun options to use and definitelly all usable
OH THE FURY charm yeah that ones not super great but ive still used it to powerful effect

[lost whale]

sometimes early game it helps

[hallow lagoon]

its good on bombom and jumbo

and monch

[lost whale]

but the early game of the game is... already most of times fine

[hallow lagoon]

and it can save you in a tight spot in a bad fight

[random wharf]

anyway the main reason being

why do unlocks have to be symmetrically as good

thats the question you haven't really answered

[lost whale]

when there is only 3 in the category

[random wharf]

its not true anywhere else

[lost whale]

i think they should

[hallow lagoon]

i mean they dont but all the charms are at least like "oh that sounds fun and cool to use in some cirumstances!" i basically never go to the gnome

[random wharf]

alot of people

have mentioned thats a you problem

i unfortunately agree with that

its like how you said

you goto treasure chests

and i was like wtf...

but thats just how you play

[hallow lagoon]

you are pretty much the only person who has said it is a me problem i am pretty sure unless i missed something

lmao

[random wharf]

really?

[hallow lagoon]

like i might have missed something fr

but i dont think i did

[random wharf]

i've been reading this thread

and alot of people haven't mentioned thats your playstyle

[lost whale]

i with runa and some other are

[random wharf]

have they not?

[hallow lagoon]

there are 8 peppers on the thread so clearly it is not a "me problem"

[random wharf]

sure

[hallow lagoon]

there are literally more peppers than x's

[random wharf]

but what you mentioned earlier isn't specifically a you a problem

but its what you've decided

i dunno why you are against going there

but to me its always better then a treasure chest node

(this doesn't mean i like the event)

but just cause i don't like the event doesn't mean i don't go there

[lost whale]

that is funny you don't like the event, but still think it is fine

[random wharf]

cause all my ideas

would clash with the user base

the user base currently thinks the game is too hard

so i don't voice my ideas

[indigo jasper]

Half of the thing with gnome is it kinda reminds me of like getting curse cards in slay the spire. But since decks are so small in this game it feels more penalizing. Especially since the 'reward' isn't all too worth it

[lost whale]

give one to see ?

[random wharf]

i think we should be given 1 card and 1 charm (not attached) and 1 literal negative card

[hallow lagoon]

it does feel a bit too penelizing yeah and usually for getting a curse in sts you get like a relic or something

[random wharf]

and you can pick if you want to take it

[lost whale]

that is better than the current gnome

[random wharf]

(you take all 3)

but it makes gnome worse

[lost whale]

i would take that over what we have

for sure

not to me, it would not

[ionic sedge]

that would make gnome literally less useful as a map encounter

but it's a fun idea

wouldn't mind seeing that as another map encounter

[hallow lagoon]

oh that sounds fun yea

[ionic sedge]

leaving gnome the same

[random wharf]

i just find gnome boring

thats my problem

its not a bad node

[hallow lagoon]

gnome IS very boring admitedly

[lost whale]

i also find boring

[random wharf]

its literally a net 0 node for me

which is good

[lost whale]

that is the problem @random wharf i also when i go to it, usually is a net 0

because i don't like to add trash to deck

[random wharf]

in roguelike net 0 isn't bad

per say

its just boring

[ionic sedge]

I mean I'm js I grab items from the gnome pretty frequently

[lost whale]

it is not, but on this roguelike

that have very few choies

[ionic sedge]

this is a playstyle thing in that regard

[hallow lagoon]

i mostly just go to treasure nodes btw because like at worst im gonna get a clunker that i can use for fodder or a decently powerful consume item on average just to clarify why
like i dont always go out of my WAY to go to them but they're certainly not bad

[lost whale]

choices*

i think it is

[random wharf]

i don't like leaving things up to rng

[lost whale]

in StS you go to maybe 10x more spots than here?

having some blank ones, is fine

[hallow lagoon]

honestly fair i can see why you'd avoid em

[random wharf]

you might get a "consumable clunker"

[lost whale]

here it is much worst felling

[random wharf]

which isn't good enough for me unfortunately

my main goal is consistent runs

[hallow lagoon]

i always play on 3 bell tbf so often there's 4 choices at chests which makes them more reliable

[lost whale]

mine too but also interesting runs

[hallow lagoon]

that there's something that im like "oh thats useful"

[lost whale]

with something different from the last one

[ionic sedge]

I mean I do slightly have to ask, I'm pretty sure gnomes cannot spawn on chokepoints so you never have to visit one. So why is it this much of a problem?

net 0 is good in certain decks sometimes

if you still need to be getting stuff and building your deck take the other path

[random wharf]

i can't think of a deck that net 0 isn't good in

[lost whale]

usually? it is

net 0 usually better

for consistency for sure

but for diversity?

net 0 is bad

[random wharf]

for diversity

i just let other people pick my rng choices for me

lol

i regularly just stream my runs on discord here, and let people in chat pick every choice for me except for battle

so card/what to crown/what to charm etc...

[lost whale]

yeah but most people play solo

[random wharf]

yeah but you can just yolo nodes

if you want diversity

[lost whale]

i already do

[hallow lagoon]

yeah nah its like i like consistency but winning is not actually my super top priority it's doing interesting runs so i can see the divide in opinion here
some people just like doing mega winstreaks so i can definiteely see why you'd avoid treasures if so

if i just tried to beat the game over and over again on the most consistent thing id probabbly just get bored

[lost whale]

same

[random wharf]

thats just an individuals perspective i guess

[hallow lagoon]

yea totally

[lost whale]

but even you think it is a boring event

[random wharf]

yeah

[lost whale]

all playstyle agree that this event

is boring

[random wharf]

i asked for it to be changed

in the play testing

but they didn't change it

so shrugs

i argued all the same points as you guys

[hallow lagoon]

honestly if it gave you like a super bad curse and the cards have a crown on it too

that would be super cool

like maybe it cant be munched

[lost whale]

it would be cool if was a card worst than junk but the reward better than regular card for sure

[random wharf]

"card cloning/charm merchant is better, why is this unlock so bad" -> no real reason

i think gnome

needs to be not an unlock

and it will feel better

i think thats your main problem

[hallow lagoon]

honeslty yeah i do agree that it probably would feel better if it wasnt an unlock

[lost whale]

aggre

[hallow lagoon]

no less the last one

[random wharf]

it doesn't help it being boring still

[hallow lagoon]

i was super excited cause the last two were awesome

[random wharf]

but it helps the perception of it being bad

[lost whale]

and i think a lot people think that way, being the last unlock, it is both boring, and (for some people) weak

[random wharf]

maybe we'll get more events in the future

[hallow lagoon]

god i hope so

that'd be awesome

[lost whale]

me too

that would dilute the gnome merchant down

[hallow lagoon]

the one thing i will give gnome even if i dont go to it much

is at least it like

[lost whale]

i would like that lol

[hallow lagoon]

its another thing to spice runs up

its another thing on the map

and thats kinda cool

[random wharf]

but anyway

i don't mind 4 cards

but this doesn't stop it from being boring

its just boring +1

[hallow lagoon]

lmao

[lost whale]

boring +1 >>> boring 0 at least

[random wharf]

shrugs

[lost whale]

lol

[random wharf]

i hope

they add a clunker only shop

[lost whale]

that would also be cool

[random wharf]

alittle annoying that i get clunker heart as tribe 2

without any clunkers sometimes

[lost whale]

that has both clunkers and the one charm related to clunkers on sale perhaps?

[random wharf]

but yeah stuff like that would be cool as new unlocks

[lost whale]

or only clunkers

[hallow lagoon]

big agree

[random wharf]

maybe something like

random clunker card

and pay gold to upgrade clunker health on a card?

[lost whale]

coud be good usable only once

[random wharf]

something like that

but anyway abit off topic sorry

[hallow lagoon]

honestly if the gnome just had like

high cost/value cards

every time

that would instantly make him desirabnle

[random wharf]

its hard for the game to accurately judge that

[hallow lagoon]

well the items DO have prices

[random wharf]

unless you mean generic high value cards like krono

[hallow lagoon]

in the shop

[random wharf]

or you mean literal cost

thought you meant like impact on your deck

[lost whale]

if gnome merchant always had krono

[hallow lagoon]

well i think the high cost ones are really good typically

[lost whale]

that would be a go always, lol

[hallow lagoon]

like azure battle axe

[random wharf]

i would never goto gnome

if that was true tbf

LOL

[hallow lagoon]

LMFAO

[random wharf]

if gnome had azure battle axe, korno, and like berry blade

and i was forced to take all 3

i would be like f it

[hallow lagoon]

HAHAHAAH

[random wharf]

i'm never setting foot there

cause if you do

you lose them from the pool of cards you could get

[hallow lagoon]

oh is this game like that

[random wharf]

so you never see them in shops or chests ever again

[hallow lagoon]

i wasnt sure

[random wharf]

yeah

its bag without replacement

until you see all the cards

then it rotates

[hallow lagoon]

gotcha gotcha

wasnt sure

[random wharf]

so when you pick 1 out of 3/4

its more like what card do you not care about

Lol

[lost whale]

man that just make gnome even worst

[hallow lagoon]

WOW that makes the 4 card chests even worse

jeez

[random wharf]

yeah

sometimes

if you see two really good cards

i just cry

[hallow lagoon]

now i double hate the pot shard quest

[random wharf]

the worse is when you have lumin latern part

[hallow lagoon]

fucking horrible

GOD YEAH

[random wharf]

in a treasure chest

and you had krono right next to it

[lost whale]

i knew that about the units not about the other cards

[random wharf]

that happened to me twice yesterday

i was like fml

it use to be a bug in the demo

[hallow lagoon]

i am now doubly sure i want the pot shard quest revamped

heres hoping

[random wharf]

cause there was no rotation

so the last shop had no cards

since you exhausted the pool

Lol

[hallow lagoon]

lmfao

wait

is there a guranteed shop

at the end

[random wharf]

no

[hallow lagoon]

o

[random wharf]

i want two changes with that as well

but might not be good idea to talk about it here

Lol

but yeah alot of my suggestions are about nerfing or sidegrading stuff, and i think the current community wants buffs

so i'm sitting on them until things quieten down

[lost whale]

i would not mind some buffs, if it come with extra challenges bells to use on top of the 3 we already have

[indigo jasper]

I mean, another thing that could've been interesting is to have him always offer clunkers

[lost whale]

that would @indigo jasper

also thematic

[random wharf]

clunker related items

maybe?

as well

but i wouldn't take anything then

ever

[indigo jasper]

Would have to give him a different pool for each tribe though

[random wharf]

cause clunkers are just bloat in the end for me

you take them more cause you are forced to generally speaking

(in treasure nodes)

outside of poison build

[indigo jasper]

Since some clunkers only work for certain tribes, and shademancers can't normally get clunkers

[random wharf]

i don't think any other build requires clunkers

[lost whale]

poison build, spice build, krono

[random wharf]

right

spice build

the flag helps

[lost whale]

i like some others as well

but these 3 are the stand out for sure

[random wharf]

wait maybe i buy chime

[hallow lagoon]

most clunkers are great

[random wharf]

i dunno

[hallow lagoon]

tbh

[random wharf]

maybe...

[hallow lagoon]

at worst they're mega damage sponges

[random wharf]

yeah

which is why i take them in treasure chests when i'm forced to

they are just basically a body

[lost whale]

it also help on the last last boss fight

cause you can use the clunkers to move your team around

[hallow lagoon]

i often take the shroominator

[lost whale]

and save someone

[hallow lagoon]

just cause its got 3 scrap

[random wharf]

3 clunker health on that thing is nuts

[lost whale]

yup

[random wharf]

same with icgm

4 block sure i'll take it

[hallow lagoon]

the most ridiculous clunker is the icgm tho

4 scrap

holy fuck

[lost whale]

never used icgm effeect but as a sponge he is pretty solid

[random wharf]

i got spark charm

[hallow lagoon]

if you put spark on it yeah

[lost whale]

ah

[hallow lagoon]

its really funny

[random wharf]

so i just sparked him with clunker health charm

[lost whale]

nice ith spark

[random wharf]

instant hit

[lost whale]

is pretty solid

never got that luck

[hallow lagoon]

oh cool gnome change

[random wharf]

but anyway tldr: this event is boring maybe change it up abit?

[indigo jasper]

Would be fun for him to be able to give clunkers from other tribes that would work on others
Like cabonker since every tribe can and has snow
icgm
Plinker

[lost whale]

i like that gnome traveller change proposed

to only give clunkers

[indigo jasper]

Just being able to try out cross tribe clunkers

[lost whale]

it is so theamtic since you gain a junk

[hallow lagoon]

combining ideas and i know its a buff so you probs wont like it but what if it was just clunkers with a crwon you cant remove (like the leader has)

[lost whale]

and junk and clunkers are so close together

[random wharf]

if only junk wasn't a tribe 3 specific card

you could trade in junk for a clunker?

but meh

[hallow lagoon]

oh thatd be sick

tbh

[random wharf]

hmm i don't hate this

crowns are insanely powerful

anyone that mentions more crowns

i instantly downvote

but non-removable ones are okay

[lost whale]

yeah more crowns are bad, it break the game, but a LOCKED crown into a clunkers

could be fun

[random wharf]

it makes poison build alot more powerful however

since it relies on two clunkers

[lost whale]

i would not mind, i think krono should not show in this shop probably

[random wharf]

rofl

yeah

[hallow lagoon]

yeah krono should be excluded

imagine fucking auto crowned krono

fuck

lmao

[random wharf]

man

this would make this shop pretty strong thou

[lost whale]

i like it we got a good idea going on

[random wharf]

crowned heartmist is a wet dream

cause i don't have to waste crown

[hallow lagoon]

what if it gave you 2 junk

LMAO

[random wharf]

crowned bling bank

early on

oh god

[hallow lagoon]

honestly id still go for that

[lost whale]

a lot of the clunkers if you get on starting hand are amazing

since they are pieces of puzzle

[random wharf]

heartmist with lumin + vase

[lost whale]

of the build or just help to delay a bit

[hallow lagoon]

often i already DO crown clunkers

[random wharf]

is funny as hell

[lost whale]

me too

[random wharf]

heal for 4

on hit

rofl

[hallow lagoon]

insta mega mimik sounds really nice

[random wharf]

personally i dont' like mega mimik

i want them to live

not die

[hallow lagoon]

understandable but it has saved me a lot

15 free damage or more if you have buffing

[random wharf]

yeah fair

[lost whale]

i like, i use then as both a tank sometimes and as a extra 15 damage for one card

it is better than it sounds

[random wharf]

i've taken it on the odd occasion

but more cause i had to

not cause i want to

[hallow lagoon]

lmao

[lost whale]

if you have a multihitter that apply demo

[random wharf]

same with plinker

[lost whale]

it become 30 damage for 1 card

i had once

it was epic

[hallow lagoon]

one of my favorite clunkers is the goat totem

[random wharf]

smackback +goat totem

is kinda goated

[lost whale]

amazing for spike/smackback

[random wharf]

yeah teeth as well

or any apply on hit poison effects

[hallow lagoon]

anyway yeah

clunker shop with permacrown and 1-2 junk

[lost whale]

to be honest 90% of the clunkers are solid

[random wharf]

i'd say 100%

[lost whale]

so the idea most of us liked was that one

[random wharf]

since they are all bodies

[hallow lagoon]

let me rectify that

[random wharf]

i think the answer then is

have more neutral clunkers

[hallow lagoon]

clunker shop with permacrown and 1-2 junk
EXCEPT KRONO

[lost whale]

Gnome Traveller only offers clunkers (- krono) and maybe clunkers related itens? for 1 junk to the deck

clunkers have a crown that can't be swap

[random wharf]

could also be noomlim'd

instead of crown

[hallow lagoon]

yeah, that'd work

[lost whale]

noomlim might be better

less powerfull

[random wharf]

yeah

[lost whale]

less abusable

lets say

i like

[hallow lagoon]

that still sounds mega fun

i'd visit him a lot

[lost whale]

me too

[random wharf]

(i like how we basically just suggested clunker shop)

[lost whale]

ok Final suggestion that a lot people liked:
Gnome merchant only offers clunkers (- krono) already noomlin charm for 1 junk.

but it works with gnome merchant

since it give a junk

[random wharf]

krono can be added in there

if its not crowned imo

[hallow lagoon]

yeah if it's not crowned it should be fine

[lost whale]

true

[hallow lagoon]

i could honestly see me taking all 3 especially if a muncher was coming up

[lost whale]

maybe each pick increase junk cost

1 for first 2 for second 3 for third

[hallow lagoon]

oh that might be a good idea with the buff to the shop

yeah

[random wharf]

1, 1-2, 1-3

i think would be fine

[gloomy pebble]

this post was made 3 hours and 40 minutes ago and it has 636 messages, what happened

[lost whale]

we all very passionate about how boring gnome merchant is

i guess

[random wharf]

yeah

i basically thought this node was boring af

but they wanted to buff it too hard

so we came to a mid way

well actually they wanted to make it boring + 1

originally suggestions made it a huge buff before this

[lost whale]

but the clunk idea is way better

than boring +1

for sure

[indigo jasper]

Yea

[lost whale]

way more interesting

[indigo jasper]

It should only give clunkers that the tribe can use. Like fungal cannon if not snow tribe lol

[lost whale]

yeah

[random wharf]

i think that happens anyway

as default

[indigo jasper]

No?

It doesn't

[random wharf]

you've seen poison clunker on 2/3rd tribe?

[indigo jasper]

Each tribe has their own set of cards

[indigo jasper]

You don't

[random wharf]

yeah thats why i mean

[indigo jasper]

It's snow tribe exclusive

[hallow lagoon]

holy shit it surpassed my pet thread

amazing

[random wharf]

by default it only gives you cards you can use

wait

theres a pet thread...

uh oh

-jumps into pet thread

[hallow lagoon]

LMAO

[gloomy pebble]

https://discord.com/channels/880766400594067558/1097582471865958554

[hallow lagoon]

i basically was workshopping a bunch of archetype pets

with people

[random wharf]

okay

thats fine

i'm okay with that

its not a "we need to buff pets"

[lost whale]

i'm already there! we need more pets pets are aamazing fun way to change early game

[hallow lagoon]

i think spike could use a little buffing but the rest of em are fine yeah

[gloomy pebble]

seems like a modding community thing, which im no longer apart of and was never apart of and if you find any messgae stating i wanted to mod the game its fake and your crazy

[indigo jasper]

There is a spike buff thread, but besides that all the pets are mostly fine. Only one kinda eh is booshu

[random wharf]

i've already modded leaders

[gloomy pebble]

for a second i thought you meant teeth and was going to throw hands

[random wharf]

i'll see if i can mod pets

[hallow lagoon]

oh that'd be sick

feel free to give thoughts on the ones we/i came up with

(in that thread of course lmao)

[random wharf]

i'll take a gander

[hallow lagoon]

i wouldnt be surprised if some of them look too strong cause desigining pets is hard

[indigo jasper]

I think sneezle and the last one are stronk

[hallow lagoon]

lil gazi is really ridiculous yeah

[indigo jasper]

My tierlist

Sneezle has carried me hard

Card draw so good

Especially cracked for clunkmasters cause you can just smack him for junk to cycle cards

[lost whale]

i think would swap booshu for loki, other than that probably the same

[indigo jasper]

Nah loki is great

Booshu is just 1 turn too slow

[glass pendant]

I’m not sure if it was suggested in this thread but maybe an indirect buff to gnome traveller being more shademancer and especially snowdweller companions that have some sort of on hit effect that the junk could trigger

Clunkers and general companions perhaps too

Shademancer does have two things that can interact with junk

A companion and shade

The companion kinda sucks in general

Shade, I suppose if you have nothing better to do you could hit an ally with junk for more teeth

[marsh herald]

This would help! Although I don’t see it ever getting to saturation with all the tribes

[indigo jasper]

Update:

[lost whale]

nice!

[high stag]

My Gnome friend is my favorite!

[fleet mirage]

Suggestions 2 and 3 sound great, I would enjoy seeing them implomented