Raven

[sharp dawn]

A founding member of the (new) Teen Titans, Raven’s half-demon parentage grants her incredible magical abilities
Between her telekinesis, flight, projection of her Soul-Self, and control over darkness itself, she’s a powerful ally for the team in the war for the MultiVerse.

[gleaming zephyr]

First

[weak iron]

Let's goo finally

[prime heron]

finally this chat got made

[scarlet hinge]

Finally

[opal imp]

🗿

[vale fox]

are yall following rock with an up special read?

or up air confirm?

i find up air really inconsistent

[rustic scarab]

Finally! Can’t wait to see all the tech ppl share. I been struggling with raven

[strange ledge]

Reminder that Raven's neutral special is meant for the bird and when the bird is attached to teammates instead of herself.

It's basically a IG burst without a cooldown for teammates and the bird

The move is just awful when Raven is doing it on herself

[vale fox]

it can be used as a combo extender at lower percents

[strange ledge]

I need to try that out when my internet is fixed

[bleak compass]

Buff Nubia

[wild bronze]

Double Raven duos are on some toxic stuff

It's funny

[bleak compass]

But give Raven abit more whiff tho

[vale fox]

everyone needs more whiff compared to nubia

💀

[bleak compass]

I just need more matchup knowledge 😔

I need to fight more ravens so I know which moves I can punish

[warm thicket]

vamos!!n

[mystic owl]

Where my raven mains at

[vale fox]

if you mean nair its pretty much the same as bugs nair

[warm thicket]

erm so any grab can break lenore

[vale fox]

in terms of how you counterplay it

[warm thicket]

[warm thicket]

how do you counterplay bugs nair?

distancing?

[vale fox]

dash dance it out yeah

if they try to approach with it

[warm thicket]

oh okay

[mystic owl]

its a great combo starter

[vale fox]

yeah its good

all the multihit nairs are usually really good

WW, bugs, PPG, harley sair, etc

[mystic owl]

people wana buff raven, they trying to get our character nerfed

even anything she needs lock out on ground up special

and her tether hitbox of side special nerfed

so she is more honnest

[vale fox]

in truth i dont really use those moves that much

[mystic owl]

I love them

nair into grounded up special confirms into aerials

like another nair

which leads into upair

free combos

[vale fox]

does it work on all DI?

[mystic owl]

yeah

I tested it

[vale fox]

ill have to try that

[mystic owl]

you just have to follow them

I got videos in the raven cord

in the lab section

you might have to scroll up

[vale fox]

oh would you mind sending an inv?

didnt know there was a discord

[prime heron]

raven ww is such a hard matchup for raven i feel like

i always struggle with that matchup

[clever sluice]

I can send you in dms

If anyone wants to join the raven cord lmk

[pale bear]

does anyone knows when they are going to bring back the perk signature? I didnt get the chance to try it.. still waiting for it

[warm thicket]

“Telekinetic Takedown” Perk

• Fixed an issue where the cooldown for this attack was not refreshing after Raven was rung out
• This perk is still causing sporadic crashes, so it will remain deactivated for a short time. We hope to reactivate this perk in a future patch.

[wild bronze]

What generic perks are good for Raven?

[mystic owl]

My fault I was yappin

😔

[pale bear]

thank your for the info! I see I just have to wait xD

[vale fox]

no worries

[mystic owl]

@outer shoal what did they do to taz I see some changes again or am I craz

I tagged him in the wrong chat aaaa....

[cedar harness]

Bout time

[gray lance]

took forever lol

[oblique sage]

Channels finally here!

How do we feel about the rock throw change? Feels like a buff to me

[strange ledge]

To random Raven players. When the bird is set out remember to look above Raven's head.

It tells you if you're attacks will transfer to the bird if you're close or not

If you're too far, it will not transfer and Raven will do the actions otherwise the bird will do the actions instead

[tepid stirrup]

I haven't seen proper guides for raven yet. Ik that ravens jab 1 is actually pretty good for eliminating most light projectile's in the game.

Does anyone know if raven stops Jerry (while Jerry is in the air) with jab?

[warm thicket]

not really, but since jerry is a hard projectile i’m assuming no

[winged osprey]

is Lenore the best summon/familiar in the game?

[gray lance]

?

you mean projectile?

if you meant that then no

jerry is

[prime heron]

what is considered ravens worst matchup rn?

[steady juniper]

Any combos?

[clever sluice]

There's a few on raven cord

One i like to do is Jab neutral special IAD Nair

Which can go into a few things

[clever sluice]

Probably Finn

[prime heron]

really?

i feel like finn is even for raven

[clever sluice]

The MU tier list says Joker

This is from many other Ravens

[prime heron]

i could see that

could you send me a inv to the raven cord?

[smoky forge]

Feel like raven rock should go through platforms but I can see why not I guess

[severe furnace]

Raven sucks on platform stages

[sterile anvil]

Finally a channel for the gal

[lone ruin]

not rlly, just rock, feel like plats could give her some stuff

[gleaming zephyr]

That's probably pre-flower bug fix

[tidal hollow]

That freaking bird that I hate 🤬

[summer roost]

it kills itself all the time. its not that bad

armor break and grab moves execute it

[summer roost]

alot

ravens prob the most skillful fighter release thus far

[clever sluice]

That's more for Beetlejuice

Raven, Nubia and Beetlejuice are all harder to use than the rest of the new characters

But Beetlejuice is the hardest

She has a lot of good mu actually and she's even a batman counter

[lone ruin]

bad does not equal skill

[blissful zephyr]

Raven is such an honest character

[winged osprey]

GG means Goth Girl

[bronze garnet]

Finally there's a Raven thread

Anyways what combos y'all like to use for her

[atomic trench]

Is there a way to disable Lenore being able to be picked up by teammates? It's seriously so annoying when I set up the bird in the exact spot I need it only for my teammate to immediately take the bird and ruin my attack.

[inner wyvern]

idek how to play correctly as her

Everything feels clunky

[warm thicket]

nope

this is an issue with garnet, i think that’s why you need a set duo to either respect the bird or use it as a moving tool

[rustic scarab]

I feel the same way. I feel she just isn’t for me 😟

[inner wyvern]

it is her bird that is messing me up

[orchid kraken]

besides reads and basic gameplay idk how to combo w raven

or what to do with rock

[inner wyvern]

i have a horrible time ringing opponents out

[clever sluice]

Sometimes with Rock I'll know I'm about to be combod by a batman or something so I'll throw the Rock in the air and while he's doing his stupid combo the Rock will hit him

And I'll jump and do Nair and dodge Sair

[orchid kraken]

thats kinda what ive been doing

[clever sluice]

Also you can use rock to hit them while they're sitting on ledge

Or use the bird

[inner wyvern]

the bird is the bane of my existence

[clever sluice]

The bird is amazing

[inner wyvern]

cuz im so used to Side special as a launch attack

so when playing as raven my momentum is gone

[clever sluice]

Don't think of the Bird as your movement item i can send you a link to the raven cord so I can show you some combos some people cooked up

But if you use the bird right you can kill super early

[orchid kraken]

the bird ping pong combos ive hit are so cool

[inner wyvern]

there is a raven cord?

i only ever used the bird for link explosion

made it to bronze II rn in ranked

@clever sluice what are the perks you use

[clever sluice]

Yes

One for every character

[clever sluice]

The one that let's you get raven rage early as a sig

That's flammable doc, speed force, and plrugist

[inner wyvern]

how do you even ping pong with the bird

[stray igloo]

RAVEN 😍😍😍🥰🥰🥰🥰

[muted quarry]

🔥

[strange nymph]

Discord link?

[trail oar]

Actually not

A passive raven is braindead af

Her sair is multihit

Down tilt hits from behind (i know its on purpose)

[oblique sage]

I don’t know what you’re on about. Raven has on of the most honest kits in the game. Braindead Spamming will get you no where with her

[oblique sage]

The spacing is very specific, but you basically have to knock the enemy towards the bird the use neutral special to send them back to raven. Only really works at mid %

[trail oar]

Passive

[oblique sage]

??? I don’t speak your language…

[trail oar]

Passive ravens are broken af

This game rewards everyone for being passive

And you cant deny that

A passive raven

Is braindead af

[oblique sage]

Passive everyone is broken. Not sure what that has to do with raven….

Also that’s not a issue specific to MVS people running a way the whole match is an issue In every platform fighter.

[smoky forge]

I feel like ravens range is so short

[oblique sage]

I kinda agree … you have to be very precise with her but I don’t feel like you rewarded for that precision as much as you should be.

Like it harder for her to land a hit maybe there should be a bigger pay off sometimes.

[smoky forge]

Feel like her jab should also be faster ngl

[vale fox]

you do not have to be precise with nair

if you're struggling with raven you need to nair more

[oblique sage]

Yeah, her jab is so small and slow I feel like it’s only really useful if you get a read. I find myself using grounded down because it’s faster and more reliable..

[oblique sage]

I mean… sure I think nair is probably her largest hit box, but it’s not like nair converts into anything crazy well.

So either way you still have to be pretty precise with the rest of her kit.

[vale fox]

it literally leads into her two best kill moves

sair and upair

what better aerial conversion are you expecting

it's true the rest of her kit needs precision but it's irrelevant when nair is your primary damage dealer and kill confirm

you can legit get away with spamming nair in neutral

[oblique sage]

I don’t think nair > upair or nair > sair are true combos. Pretty sure you can DI out of both of them.

From what I’ve seen nair > dair and a higher percents Nair > Side special are more constant.

[vale fox]

they are true, you can react to DI very easily and sair/upair will cover opposite DIs

I use it all the time against master and GM players

you can watch aeris' sets from today's tournament too

it's a lame play style sure, but it's optimal

[oblique sage]

Where is the video?

[vale fox]

dr4c0O's twitch channel

it's his tournament

raven is a nair merchant, I'm telling u

[oblique sage]

Imma check it out

[oblique sage]

There’s not vod for the tourney. I’ll have to jump and the lab and test it out myself.

[vale fox]

ah rip

also the conversions you get differ depending on whether you get an early hit of nair or late hit

early hit sends more inwards

[bronze garnet]

Can you send me the link pls

[clever sluice]

Done

[lone ruin]

nah, you only need to up special and hit both raven and lenores up special

[cedar harness]

Golden Raven skim

[bleak compass]

Beetlejuice has a high skill ceiling but a low skill floor

He isn’t hard to play

[strange ledge]

attacking Raven from above isn't a good idea if she's on the ground...

I've been hit by rock too many times by now

speaking of rock, it's more of a anti-air/trap than a actual zoning projectile due to the timing. I've yet to see a Raven zone with rock

[winged osprey]

I got decimated by a Raven that used the rock pretty effectively... at a volleyball match, constant zoning, not very sportsmanlike.

[opal imp]

Sounds like a skill issue kekw

[oblique sage]

Yeah, now that you can aim it, rock is a little better at zoning. But it seem or useful just to keep people from landing on you/jumping over you

[mystic owl]

#clips message

this has been consistent for me

good finisher to go for

[bleak compass]

Broken

[summer roost]

how?

[bleak compass]

70% kill confirm from Nair

Nair is barely punishable and a perfect approach tool

[summer roost]

is that the head pulse thing?

[bleak compass]

This one

[summer roost]

lmao

ig

i dont think that broken but each their own

[lone ruin]

its super predictable

also, fairly certain u can di to avoid that combo, but i'd need to test a little

[bleak compass]

“I don’t think that is broken” that’s objectively wrong

70% kill confirm on that starts on a move with barely whiff is broken

[bleak compass]

Still not that punishable unless you are doing landing nair

[lone ruin]

oh, youre talking abt just nairing fully aerially?

if u nair in place, yeah, its gonna be real hard to punish, ig, but i dont think thats cz of nair

[summer roost]

objectively? cause you say it is? ok

[mystic owl]

That's how almost any aerial is too tbh

I just want people to stop having the mental of I lost too a character so nerf it

Ravens are struggling in 1s in ranked from as far as I can see

What I hear is people hate lenoir

Just nerf the cool down or something

And give raven lock out on ground up special

[vale fox]

lenor is not really a problem, half the roster can instantly delete the bird

ravens game plan rn is just to play really aggressive offstage with sair/upspecial

or try to kill early off the top with nair > upair

all made easier with rage

they should shift that power to the rest of her kit

cause as it stands she plays similar to launch PPG

[lone ruin]

Nah, launch ppg was an actual menace in all playstyles they could perform

Raven is far too inconsistent to be compared to them

And on the aerial side, raven Nair is best later, or on the lower hit, meaning air to air would prob just make a raven lose a game

I feel like we should give way to earning counterclaim b4 accusing things, legit gave ig like a season not counting Tod's and 0tds b4 I started hating

[vale fox]

for the record I don't think she's the strongest in the game, but her optimal play style is what I wrote

and it'd better if she wasn't so reliant on getting early kills

[winged osprey]

Raven needs buffs
Not because of any balance concern or any of that nonsense.
Raven needs buffs because she's hot and goth.

[lone ruin]

nvm, u shut us up, only correct opinion

[oblique sage]

It’s not a kill confirm. You can DI out of it.

[bleak compass]

What di and when

[oblique sage]

You can DI out of Nair - Upair. Left or right doesn’t matter. Ravens up air is tiny

[bleak compass]

I heard if you hit the last nair hitbox(2nd ball) nair - upair is true

From g3twitch I think he’s 2nd raven rn

[oblique sage]

I still don’t think it’s true. But even if it were. That’s an incredibly specific set up that requires a lot of precision and only works in a single situation.

Morty dirt into upair is a kill confirm. Not this.

[bleak compass]

2nd nair isn’t hard to hit 😭

It is true because there would be less endlag when following up from last hit

[oblique sage]

It’s 2nd nair from below with correct alignment, the right amount of momentum, and the proper DI. Not just second nair. Your acting like it’s a instant kill move

[bleak compass]

#clips message because it literally is

This is what a bunch of ravens do as a kill confirm

[oblique sage]

Just because the 2# Raven can sometimes land it doesn’t mean it’s a kill confirm. In that clip the nubia could have DI’d out of it.

Also that’s clip isn’t even what we’re talking about. That was nair 1 into upair.

[bleak compass]

You can try to the combo out yourself. It’s not diable

[lone ruin]

nair up special you can di in

you go lower and bottom part of nair cant be hit

[bleak compass]

Oh alr

[lone ruin]

u still get hit tho

so if ur in sair range, ur gone regardless, unless u assume they gonna sair and di up

[whole wraith]

how can i tell which of raven's attacks count as melee?

[lone ruin]

most of them do

though you probably cant eat the projectile ones

[whole wraith]

wdym eat

and im sure most of them yeah but which specifically

[lone ruin]

jab is definitely a projectile

[whole wraith]

o i went into training with the ignite perk to test them

its really weird, the atk where she retrieves the bird counts as melee

can never tell

i guess her only projectiles are jab1, side speical bird and wisp, and her charged neutral atk. everything else is melee

oh and the rock

[foggy falcon]

wisp?

[whole wraith]

the thing that comes out when bird cooldown

idk game calls it that

in the move list

[foggy falcon]

ohhh ok what’s cool

thanks

[whole wraith]

but anyway, in that case is it worth using the ignite perk since i believe most of her combos use jab1 anyway? Or is something like snowball or grey hp better?

[lone ruin]

Jab is nice but Nair is realistic

[whole wraith]

nair is melee right? I can't remember even tho i just tried it

[mystic owl]

wut

[lone ruin]

Melee

[foggy falcon]

yeah i think so

[blissful zephyr]

Nair hitbox should linger

[mystic owl]

It do tho

[bleak compass]

No

[foggy falcon]

Is Raven really love bbc?

[winged osprey]

Yes,

Big
Black
Capes

[foggy falcon]

What she actually mean by it?

[foggy falcon]

Hm?

[winged osprey]

It's canon, in Raven's gameplay trailer she talks to Batman and expresses her love for big black capes like his, this could likely include Black Adam but it's unconfirmed.
https://youtu.be/GRw-Qvw6TsM?si=B2HS_6zHxIidiAOw (at 1:04)

[foggy falcon]

Its really sound creepy

[foggy falcon]

Or it because she was with Cyborg in one command?

[winged osprey]

What does cyborg have to do with anything?

[celest umbra]

Hi

[foggy falcon]

Do you understand?

[foggy falcon]

Hello

[winged osprey]

???
BBC either means big black capes, duh
or British Broadcasting Corporation (its some weird english thing)

google it up if you don't believe me

[winged osprey]

man, stop inventing stuff and get your mind out of the gutter

[foggy falcon]

I mean its sound creepy in trailer

[winged osprey]

Raven is goth, she's supposed to sound creepy, it's part of the brand.

[foggy falcon]

She is a demon?

[turbid willow]

Just stop making it weird bruh

[winged osprey]

Yeah

Not cool

[foggy falcon]

<@&882349260409032746>

this is like the third time he talked about something sexual lol

[mystic owl]

I missed the stupid

[blissful zephyr]

Why not?

[vale fox]

do you just want nair to be undodge-able?

its already a really long lasting multihit

in a game where multihits are really strong

[blissful zephyr]

You mean how most multi hits are?

Not really asking much when there are bunch of moves that do that already

And no, it should be able to dodge it

I see the move phase through my opponent even if they don’t dodge

So the animation itself is not a hitbox

[bronze garnet]

Nair isn't like a regular multihit

It just has 2 hitboxes

And even though the animation spins, each hitbox isn't active for the entire spin

Imo, it should be a sweet spot at the beginning of the move and then a sourspot at the end of the move

[dark orbit]

Idk what perks should go on her ngl

[blissful zephyr]

Ok that explains it. I personally don’t like how it isn’t always active. Like Shaggy nair or Bugs nair for example is active.

[foggy falcon]

omg ok so i wasn’t going crazy. like i would do it twice but the second one wouldn’t hit?? like huhhh

yeah it’s kinda misleading

[blissful zephyr]

This! Like why show something that isn’t a hitbox???

[rustic scarab]

Has anyone been having any success with shock perk on raven? I feel hella YouTubers were hyping up that perk for her but then I use it I’m never actually getting anyone into shocked state.
Went back to pugilist for now

[lone ruin]

Omg wait the name. But ignoring that, sig 5% middle probably speed force ig since she can recover fine and doesn't gb much, other pugilist

[dark orbit]

Omg marry me/j 🙄

[lone ruin]

The first depends since there's some u want ignite, or stronger than you, or even just snowball

[lone ruin]

Urg, fine /j

[dark orbit]

Fun though. Idk what to really do with her

[dark orbit]

Yayyy 😤

[lone ruin]

There's a ravencord, can send you the inv

[dark orbit]

Oh yay:D

[fair perch]

Can Raven catch and/or reflect others' projectiles?

[blissful zephyr]

It’s because you gotta hit ‘em with 4 different attacks that aren’t a projectile I think.
Kinda difficult to do or not practical in a match

[rustic scarab]

Yes definitely doesn’t feel practical

[blissful zephyr]

My opinion from my experience not even Lenore feels practical. 9/10 she sends my opponent too far away for me to capitalize.
I also don’t like how once she’s out basically all my specials get switched to her instead of me like up special. It basically takes away your special and puts it you in a disadvantage

[rustic scarab]

Agreed

Raven and Lenore should both be doing the specials

[lone ruin]

not rlly rn

the other sig perk can though

[fair perch]

?

[lone ruin]

i dont remember if she got it back but she launched with 3 signatures, one got removed cz it was causing crashes

and it could reflect projectiles

[fair perch]

I knew I wasn't crazy.

[pale bear]

I just saw the hot fix and they didnt fix anything really, Cant believe they release a character and make a big deal about her signature perk and still have no news about it.... they litterally dont know what theyre doing..

[rustic scarab]

I really hope we get that perk someday. It definitely looked like the coolest one

[untold patio]

Roxk

[whole wraith]

where are these raven youtubers you speak of

i dont see any 😭

only ones ive seen are "combo videos" of training mode combos at 0%

[rustic scarab]

Evolutions and bynergy and one other I forgot who made videos hyping up the shock perk for raven.

But I’m sure none of them ended up maining her probably

Aeris seems to be the best example of a pro raven so far and he’s not using shock perk

[lone ruin]

dont trust him, he never even labs

i dont think he could tell me where to find the lab tbh

but for the most part from the perks i rememebr he's not rlly wrong, mainly just use 5% and either snowball or ignite or stronger than you

[rustic scarab]

Ah copy that thanks

Damn doesn’t lab lol, he placed pretty high in one tourney so far with raven so I assumed he was a lab monster like the other tourney folks

[whole wraith]

there's already been tourneys with raven??

buh

where this tourney footage i want to study good players 😭

[mystic owl]

look around youtube

check bhand tornys

[rustic scarab]

Look up Schwifty Showdowns on YouTube. Bhands host that tournament. So far that’s the one raven who I saw fighting against top tiers like motz Harley, uzi superman, oog smith.

[whole wraith]

ty

[versed elm]

What few matches I watched it was just very solid play. With a lot of late nair into upair for the kill. Nothing too crazy but very good to get a solid idea on how to play Raven.

[rustic scarab]

Exactly. Aeris was the first to show me what I’m supposed to be doing.

I was struggling with Raven her whole first week of release

[versed elm]

Indeed played a few games of ranked last night and I was doing a lot better. Having someone to watch that solid helps a lot. Need that for Beetlejuice, still struggling playing him.

[lone ruin]

i would bet big money that his most complex combo was either a random ping pong or nair sair

[lone ruin]

i hv no clue if theres a server or ppl that main him fully u can watch, but i think someone called dr wavy has at least played him a bit, dunno if he entered tourneys tho

[versed elm]

Yea I’m in the discord server for beetle but it kind of ghost town. That why I am mostly playing Raven this season. Luckily she really fun. Always on the lookout but it not the biggest deal.

[oblique sage]

is lenore broken for anyone else like, the bird has no shading.

[rustic scarab]

You not wrong lol, that and a bunch of excellent dodge timing

[rustic scarab]

Yea definitely a bug going on. Lenore is just a silhouette in my game

[oblique sage]

Bugs a side, I feel like raven is the best mage in the game RN but they might just because she fits into my place style. How are you guys feeling with her?

[rustic scarab]

I struggle a lot with her, she def is not my style, but I keep trying because she is too cool lol

To me best mage is bugs

[lone ruin]

Yep

[lone ruin]

YeH, she might just be honestly, though I feel like success with her isn't necessarily easy, though this could change in due time

[rocky orbit]

Rick:

[oblique sage]

Yeah, she feels like a very honest character not much cheese you can do with her.

But some of her arial combos can go crazy if you get read. I get why people struggle with her she’s kinda unconventional.

[rocky orbit]

It definitely is cuz Raven suits you better and she's easier/simpler to play

[lone ruin]

OH DAMN MB MB

[rocky orbit]

and she's fun, I like her

but Rick exists

[lone ruin]

There are some things that are questionable, but pretty fine regardless

[rustic scarab]

lol right, Rick is crazy now

[oblique sage]

What do you think is her most questionable move?

[lone ruin]

Trigon mode knock back is truly a wonder

You can technically simply 0td quite easily

[oblique sage]

True Trigon move does co pretty crazy. But I feel like how light she it it usually balances out. But some times you can survive for a while and run away with a match some times.

[lone ruin]

I've survived quite a lot, like 140's type, then if I'm high enough, I start gliding and I can do that infinitely

I see questionability there

[oblique sage]

Yeah, I feel like you don’t often get away with that above like gold III. But you can definitely abuse it against some charters/skill levels

[lone ruin]

I do it in like, plat and above, though I don't think it's anymore impressive

[oblique sage]

Hmm haven’t tried it much in plat. But in play in 2s so maybe they’re more willing to chase when I’m one shot.

[oblique sage]

How do we feel about Ravens range. Sometimes I feel like she has a lot of endlag for how small her hit boxes are.

Like Samurai Jack has huge reach and less end lag so it can be really hard to get in because often times even when you attack first you just get out ranged. A lot

[rustic scarab]

Agreed, I mis-space her sair a lot when I jump in and approach with it

[blissful zephyr]

Im gonna say it. Her range is awful. I miss her Sair because its suuuper stubby and I miss her nair because you literally need to time it right and space it right before your opponent dodges or hits back. Also her rock hitbox is tiny, does 9 damage being big or small and her jab being projectiles gotta shorter than Agent Smith long stinkin jab

Her dash attack is weak too

They want her to do Lenore combos but its not practical

I learned that you even have to time Lenore when in use because it has 2 hits the 2nd blast is what sends em back and you gotta make sure you hold it long enough to hit 2nd blast but not too long that hitstun is gone

And Lenore on cooldown so you got one shot lol

Not to mention a bunch of characters like Finn can easily duck underneath Lenore

[lone ruin]

ok, for that im not rlly mad at cz i just kinda do it, but yeah, it is pretty annoying

but lenore combos can be from a lot of moves tho

and i dont find her range awful, just her hitboxes deceptive

[oblique sage]

Yeah, I feel like the little tentacle effect make it worse. They look cool but I’m just constant tickling everybody without getting a hit.

You have to be practically kissing them to land sair, and smaller characters seem to slide under it a lot of the time.

I would get it if sair was some crazy kill move. But it’s no where near powerful or fast enough to justify why it’s so stubby.

I feel like the way to beat Raven is just to run away or spam before she can close the gap.

[oblique sage]

Yeah as much as I like the look of the purples tentacles and effects they just make it hard to see where the actual hitboxes are.

[bleak compass]

Nerf raven

[oblique sage]

Nerf Nubia.

[bleak compass]

Im not gonna use Nubia anymore

She’s abit too bad rn

[oblique sage]

Really? I thought people were starting to like her.

[static lodge]

rulebreaker raven is such a clean skin

[untold current]

I'm going to try playing as Raven in 2v2s to get some missions done although I'm not very good as her, could anyone give me general tips for playing her? also which perks are best on her?

[oblique sage]

General tips for 2v2. Putting Lenore on your teammate can be a game changer. You can use neutral special get them out of combos, control space, or get some cheeky kills.

Once Lenore is on cool down the ball projectile thing is a great movement tool when used in the air.

Fully charged neutral can also turn games around if you can time it right/coordinate with your teammate, especially if it’s a Superman or jack that hold people in place with long jab combos.

Lenore is also great for stage control. Plop her in the center or near a ledge and you car reach havoc from a safe distance .

For the most part you kills will come from edge guards or reads

Best perks really depend on you team comp. But the signature perk that give you Trigon mode early is 100% the best in 2s.

Because her hit boxes are so small reading/punishing whiff is where you’ll get most your damage in. So try not to rush in to much or overextend and you’ll do fine.

One final thing I’ll add is remember Raven can float. You can use this the same way you use Batman’s float. Apply pressure at ledge, avoid grounded attacks etc.

[untold current]

thank you, hopefully I can improve as her. also considering most of her attacks are projectiles maybe That's Flammable Doc would be good on her or maybe just the classic Snowball Effect. also since she can float she doesn't really need the perk Broken Wings does she?

[summer roost]

yall need to stop running and poking, yall are giving her a bad name and is the reason people complain and whine about her

[static lodge]

that’s like the most stupid discord message ive ever read

sounds like u got camped p bad

[summer roost]

he replies with the dumbest fockin response possible

dude, all casual ravens due is run and poke and is the reason why so many people complain and say shes broken when shes not

[static lodge]

and ur assuming all the casual ravens running and poking r in here? xD

go do some crazy tech combo w raven instead of poke i’d love to see the clip

[summer roost]

like every raven ive seen since the event started has played like that

[summer roost]

you sound like a casual raven player

[static lodge]

out skilled and out efforted every time u lose against raven btw

[summer roost]

running and poking isnt a skill

[lone ruin]

Dw, I agree with you, character is so cool but all everyone does is bird and rock and try and get space

Or they just nair spam, tho o the case of nair it is simply a good move

[summer roost]

thank you 😭😭😭 someone in this community has brain cells to use thank gawd

[lone ruin]

Wouldn't say I hv braincells but I do also just not like how people are playing the character

[summer roost]

eh u do

[lone ruin]

Sure, ty I suppose

[willow finch]

Give me a different plan to play the char i will give it a chance :)

[lone ruin]

dont run away all the time...? @-@

she has rlly good moves to put ppl offstage

i just kinda exploit it

ignore the fact that i just lost on stream tho

[willow finch]

I mostly approach but i never succeed doing it so i mostly try to space instead her combo game is hard (for me at least) but very rewarding for mastering something i like about her as a character compare to the others shields makes her more enjoyable to play then without i realized last weekend so excited to try it again this weekend :)

[lone ruin]

go to iblis stream and ask him how i played vs him

not only will it give u insight on how others think of beating me, but also u could rewind stream and watch the game

preferably game 2, i got rocked game 1

[willow finch]

Tomorrow goat 🐐🔥 busy as of now remind me if i forget it

[lone ruin]

ill maybe try

[oblique sage]

Yeah approaching with raven can be tricky. Her attacks are stubby so rushing in won’t work to often. Nair is you most consistent tool on approach which is why people tend to spam it.

I’ve had a lot of success using aerial side special when Lenore is on cool down. Even if you miss the ball, it will throw you forward and you can use the momentum to close the gap or even IAD out of it to even further.

[oblique sage]

I mean you could say that about every character. People spam the biggest/best move no matter who they play, spammerai Jack, shaggy spamsworthy, Wonder When Woman will stop spamming side special, etc.

Honestly I feel like spamming with raven gets you very little when compared to a lot of the cast.

[lone ruin]

nah, spamming with some chars just makes sense imo, i just think raven is cool without running away, id even go as far to say that she becomes dull and a worse char if u do

[oblique sage]

Yeah, I hate the runners. Morty’s are notorious for running the whole match, but you see it a lot with other mage characters. I think it’s just a projectile Character thing.

But I don’t see any way to get rid of it. As lame as it is that’s how people will play.

[lone ruin]

gotta win a tourney with her using labbed stuff ig

need me some soldiers for this ngl

[oblique sage]

You right. She definitely has the sauce. You need a lot of precision and some gold reads to pull it off but when the combos hits it goes crazy!

[lone ruin]

I'll try to get used to it eventually and then perform

And by perform I mean make games against pros closer

[oblique sage]

When you do send some clips! I’m always looking for more things to try.

[lone ruin]

I'd still say iblis' stream of yesterday's egl, only on stream gameplay I have really

Well, on raven

[willow finch]

She feels like the most honest char in the game atm (small hitboxes, no strong approach, gotta be precise with lenore to do the swing combo, if you have rage you can 0 death combos very easy but its crazy hard to do precise and all the time while also you have to be on your toes because you are at high %)

I do wish her rock had cooler ways to be used for example when using the shield smasher with shields hitting the rock with it makes it go crazy fast and straight forward something i think is cool af but it goes to far up and takes way to long to go down again to make it worth it this is from my experience last weekend when i discover it

[oblique sage]

Agreed. All her moves are pretty honest. But she also has some sauce some she doesn’t feel weak and Trigon mode feels powerful but not overwhelming and she’ll die in a hit so it doesn’t last long unless you let it.

I also think rock could use some more utility. Maybe some kind of interaction with Down Special shield or even grounded down would be interesting.

[willow finch]

we still don't have her third sig perk something i think will improve her as a char

but yeah i'm trying to do sauce with rock but i feel like im stuck in lag to do anything cool with it

[oblique sage]

Yeah, I feel like landing rock is kinda hit or miss especially in 2s. Rock into sair is to slow to do much. And grounded rock doesn’t fly directly above you so it’s easy to go around and challenge.

Same thing at ledge. It’s not as fast as say Bugs Safe so by the time it gets in range they’ve already moved. I find it’s good for pressure or if you get a good read, but not much else.

[willow finch]

100%

https://streamable.com/26hwjj simple rock trick but i doubt its useful in real play gotta test it out more

[oblique sage]

Yeah, Probably never gonna be able to land that in comp. But i feel like there's gotta be a good rock Combo out there. Also that skin goes crazy! I'mma have to grab that

[willow finch]

haha XD

[green anchor]

is it just me or did they forget adding the black star from the converse all stars logo on her shoes?

[willow finch]

That is prob why she can’t break shields anymore ;-;

[green anchor]

i mean on the website it looks like they have the logo on. they scammed us 😭 how dare they not have the same exact detailed skin on the website than ingame

[willow finch]

Such a shame :(

You got skin scammed and i got punish mechanic scammed this weekend big shame

[pulsar delta]

Does anyone have any trouble after losing neutral? I feel like most of raven's attacks are so predictable that it makes it so much harder to gain the middle ground again after losing neutral

[harsh sand]

Raven has no end lag or whiff frames. It’s crazy how I’m coming across more players abusing her shadow ball move back to back nonstop cause it’s spammable with no whiff frames smh

[harsh sand]

If you’re losing neutral that’s a skill issue, I just picked up Raven today and I’ve been 3 stocking everyone with no problem. Her moves are super fast and she has little to no whiff frames so if you’re having trouble then that’s something you gotta work on. Raven is one of the easiest mages to play with while being able to rack up really fast damage and she is hard for 90% of the cast to really land any hits on her just utilize her nair and sair and you’ll be fine

[bronze garnet]

She definitely has whiff frames

[lone ruin]

idk, i beat her :/

[hoary aurora]

What weakness does raven actually have

[blissful zephyr]

Over exaggerating here.
It’s not so easy when you hit plat and up

[pale bear]

I played against a raven that was using the perk thats not available how???? her user name was Ultragatame

it makes no sense or its available for somepeople or plattaforms only? I played with steam

[willow finch]

??

[pale bear]

the signature perk where raven is able to do telekinesis on projectiles and throw them at u, she was able to do that with her rock after doing up attack on ground she did telekinesis and grab it and threw it straight at me.. Im asking cause Ive been waiting for that but is not available as a perk

[willow finch]

prob someone who took it out and made it possible to use? but that would be odd because it would crash the game that is the reason for it to be disabled in the first place

[pale bear]

I got hit by it and game didnt crush at all she used it only twice in the match

If i get a match with her again I promise ill record it

[willow finch]

sure thing i guess its either a dev or someone who knows how to access the game files and i would say lucky them xd

[pale bear]

I got raven wishing to float things around and throwing at people xD still waiting on that

[willow finch]

xd

[bleak compass]

Yea I just picked her up, i feel like im getting punished way less for something I normally would

[lone ruin]

This feels very disproportionate considering you play nubia

I felt literally the same going from harley pre buffed speed to someone like shaggy or even superman

[celest umbra]

I think Raven might need a few nerfs

Maybe less knockback on Sair and up air

[lone ruin]

sadly cant agree, maybe do that to her rage mode but besides that i feel its pretty fine, hving high knockback doesnt instantlu warrant a nerf, especially when u realize that those are basically her only 2 kill moves

[bleak compass]

Upair should definitely stay, like nyx said maybe rage one can get nerfed

As for sair, I think it should get a little bit more start up.

[celest umbra]

You think it should keep the same kill power?

[bleak compass]

Yes

But it needs more start up, I can see how that much knockback with how quick the move comes out can be unfair

[winged osprey]

What's the strategy with Raven to deal with armor?

[harsh sand]

Just spam everything she has and it will break

[harsh sand]

It’s cause her moves are very fast. There is little to no end lag on her moves so she can do moves pretty quickly in sequence

[harsh sand]

Actually it is I’ve beaten several plat and diamond players with raven very easily I 3 stocked them when they only got one stock on me and I loved it. Raven is definitely top 5

[lone ruin]

she really needs it, she pretty much has too slow of moves

[lone ruin]

disengage generally

sometimes u could throw in a jab

or grounded up special

[lone ruin]

im just gonna say, even some gms are simply not good

information from ranked is worse than a moveset analysis at this point

[bleak compass]

Her moves don’t feel that slow for me. Enough to whiff punish atleast

[lone ruin]

again, u play nubia, not saying ur wrong, just saying ur used to worse

in ig, mvs terms, shes slow and laggy

shes also very bad grounded yk

from what ive experienced, punishing her isnt bad

[harsh sand]

Well I would think they are somewhat good if they made it up to that high of rank unless just by luck

[harsh sand]

What makes you say that lol

[lone ruin]

ive seen batmans in diamond tat are spamming up special and side special

[lone ruin]

because people in ranked seem to misunderstand what gameflow even means

[harsh sand]

In a game like this moves that are fast that have a wide hit box and can kill pretty easy seems to be the motto for a lot of gameplay with characters like Batman but Raven has similar mechanics as well with her side air and up air

[harsh sand]

What do you mean by game flow cause even I don’t fully understand it and I’ve heard it a lot

[lone ruin]

for me its more so the lack of adapting to a situation, and staying firm on a gameplan

of spamming 1 thing

[lone ruin]

yeah, kill moves, thats indeed how those work, but taking into accountt he slim hitboxes, theres some accuracy to them as well

[harsh sand]

Oh ok I get it now, so pretty much like flow charting as some would say

[lone ruin]

flow charts are set strategies for situations, gameflow is more for on the fly kind of thinking ig

[harsh sand]

Yeah in a sense it’s a double edge sword with it being good as well as it being risky

[plush lichen]

Waiting for the nerfs 🤤

[willow finch]

Waiting for the bug fixes 🤤

[mystic owl]

Rasin

[harsh sand]

Raven definitely needs nerfs or at least some end lag to her moves. She can do all her moves instantly right after each other and the moves that do leave her open are ones that don’t even allow you to get close to her cause she has a super amount of control over that makes her incredibly strong too. Like I get they wanted her to make a good first impression but they made her to good in my opinion. A character without end lag in a game where a lot of characters have end lag just makes her another cheesy meta

[willow finch]

I doubt that she will be nerfed and if so not by a lot shields are also coming soon so it will be easier to handle characters strong moves thats from my experience learning shield play

[lone ruin]

you talking abt 2s or 1s cz i noticed i can never tell

[harsh sand]

Mainly 2’s but she is still a menace in 1’s

[harsh sand]

I’m not saying nerf her a lot but just make her more prone to be punished for just spamming or mashing back to back

[willow finch]

Shield play will prob fix that gotta wait and see their shield patch

[lucid wyvern]

Bro hasnt met Garnet

[pale bear]

I cant believe that the battlepass is about to expire in 7 days and Ravens signature perk still off since release date.... how is it possible they couldnt fix that yet

[rustic scarab]

Agreed! Still want that perk, it sounds like the best one

[harsh sand]

I play garnet and trust and believe Raven is a lot stronger and faster and more over tuned than Garnet

[harsh sand]

Maybe it will but I doubt it

[lone ruin]

yea, i hv to disagree as someone who has played a little garnet since beta and labbed raven since day 1 of her release

[harsh sand]

Well I heavily disagree as someone who has played several ranked matches with Raven and has been playing with Garnet since season 2. Raven is by far better. Raven has no end lag on her moves allowing her to dish out moves instantly after one another. Garnet has a lot of end lag that allows her to be punished. Raven has like 1 frame of end lag, a lot faster. And has a kit that can spam with no consequences

To be able to hit raven you literally have to use your meter to dodge attack her cause she can just instantly use her get off me move. Raven is the kind of character that punishes anyone that tries to punish her cause her moves are just as fast if not faster than agent smiths. Also the fact that she can fly like black Adam makes her OP in a game like this where speed pretty much rules in this game

[lone ruin]

i just feel like garnets kit is simply generally better, especially given my performances, as indication to me, also, garnet is just generally good, and if you whiff something directly in front of someone, they will punish you, just think of like spaced nair or smth

[lone ruin]

i mean yeah her floating is rlly good, and its a vry good part of her, but besides that, i still dont get the whole she has no whiff, do u mean ppl whiff too far from u to punish? you run away too far for you to be able to punish? you're throwing out slow moves? i'd prob check stuff like that cz she does hv endlag, especially on her grounded moves

[harsh sand]

Garnets kit is good but she is at a disadvantage against characters that are smaller and faster than her like Raven. With Raven being so small it’s easier to miss her and her dodge moves her far away enough that even garnets shoulder dash cant get close enough to hit her cause as I said ravens dtilt takes priority so it doesn’t even matter if you’re behind Raven cause that move hits from both sides.

[lone ruin]

yeah, but its a laggy move nonetheless, you pretty much hv to understand when and how u can punish smth, cz yeah, it does make sense for the char with slow startup to hv a get off me option, and it does make sense that its laggy, just gotta bait it out

understand that if raven is on the ground, she automatically becomes a worse character, and exploit that

[harsh sand]

What I mean by she has no whiff is that the way she is designed she can throw out moves without any time in between for her to execute another move or I.e end lag. Also when it comes to fighting Raven I don’t run away to far cause when I dodge I try to close the distance with a dash attack but with the way raven’s nair is she carries a lot of momentum that pretty much takes her out of range of the attack. When it comes to slow moves a lot of Garnets neutral moves are slow and have slow start up. Her air moves are a little faster but also very linear and she doesn’t have the momentum to really hit a character like Raven consistently unless dash attack is used but that’s limited. Also take into consideration that Garnet isn’t a fast character that can just easily move around super fast. Raven on the other hand is that alone is an advantage she has even against some of the smaller characters.

[lone ruin]

you rlly just gotta develop better ways to counter characters, idk what to tell you, im not saying its ez, but say, ever considered maybe garnet loses to raven, and thats where ur perspective is coming from or smth?

[harsh sand]

Well that’s easier said than done. It may be easier for a smaller character cause of their small hurtbox but garnet is like the 2nd or 3rd biggest character in this game which means that she is a lot easier to hit. And the way that ravens attack are that even dodging doesn’t help cause her attacks cover a lot of space

[lone ruin]

yeah, see, this is a grand old case of perspective, cz like, raven sair is essentially a negative disjoint, but you wouldnt agree with it, bc u get hit by it a lot, so ofc, you're entitled to your opinion, but attempting to rewrite a character will get you nowhere, truly, just try and move past it

[harsh sand]

I mean when it comes to it I’ve tried yet Raven is still so new that it’s hard to find ways to counter her when her moves are set up how they are. At least with playing a big body character. At this point of time Raven is just a bad matchup for Garnet cause I’ve even watched some of the higher ranked players that use big body characters try to fight Raven and they’ve rarely won against her. Smith is a little easier to handle but still a challenge nonetheless

[harsh sand]

Easier said than done but as with all this it’s just words. Opinions are formed by all. Don’t get me wrong Raven herself is a good character I like that she was added in general yet it’s very discouraging to try to enjoy a game where a lot of players have started playing her and in the state she is in it’s a very very difficult time combating her

[lone ruin]

yep, and thats what we call learning, just watched a jason decimate a raven not too long ago, does this make jason broken?

[lone ruin]

ofc its hard, you play a low mobility large character, but you dont abuse what your character brings to the table either. just go to the lab with her and do stuff, think abt how to beat stuff

[harsh sand]

Jason is actually pretty broken right now lol. Jason really can destroy smaller bodied characters in 2 good combos if they close enough to the edge. Also take into consideration that Jason can literally teleport.

[harsh sand]

That’s a lot of thinking to do. Yet it’s something I’ll try

[mystic owl]

How we liken shields ravens

I've been doing some nasty follow ups

[willow finch]

Shield play with raven is awesome

[mystic owl]

Up special out of shield is nuts

[harsh sand]

Raven is literally a kill confirmed queen off stage she whiffs nothing and kills other so easily with her side air cause it’s so fast it’s amazing

[strange nymph]

Raven whiffs everything.

[mystic owl]

Raven is so close to being a perfect character, she just needs lock out on up special

[strange nymph]

Why does it seem like nobody says anything about her glide nerf? Was pretty massive and I see no one complaining. Just weird

[lone ruin]

cz it was both fair and smth that doesnt rlly matter all that much?

[mystic owl]

yes, but he is forever the handsome smith

[mystic owl]

I don't even feel the glide nerf

[strange nymph]

How do you not notice? The glide was indefinite. Now it degrades to a fast fall in like 2 seconds

[mystic owl]

I don't glide too long to notice I suppose

Im ether gliding a tiny bit to get back to stage

Or stalling for an aerial

I never really feel it. Idk

Maybe I'll go into training later and try to see what you mean

[strange nymph]

If you never used it you probably won't notice. I guess I was the only one who just stalled over the edge to force an attack.

[mystic owl]

I used it

I play raven non stop

🗿

Im saying when playing, I properly do not stall alot with glide to notice it

Im a really really aggressive raven so I'm saying that might be why I have not noticed it

I just jump+fast fall around the map

Gives you a bit of speed boast

[strange nymph]

It was the first thing I noticed when they changed it in the patch before last. Instead of gliding across the map by holding a button, you begin to fall quickly after a second or two, and jumping doesn't reset downward momentum of the glide

It just seems weird that no one even talked about it. Even in the Raven discord

[lone ruin]

id assume no1 cares since it rlly isnt hurting her

also, i feel like the best ways to play raven were demonstrated at platfight by i forgor their name, and g3, who both dont glide for long

[vale fox]

nobody plays a stalling/sharking raven

if your're suffering cause of glide nerfs, it's cause you're not playing raven like ur supposed to

[uncut torrent]

any Raven gamers

[winged osprey]

🐦‍⬛

[foggy falcon]

🐦‍⬛

[brisk marten]

[wild fulcrum]

I’m trying to learn combos for raven YouTube videos really not helping I’m having trouble hitting her air side consistently and doing it into the upcombo

[lone ruin]

i could invite you to the raven server, we do have ppl that decided to kinda make a living learning the character

[uncut torrent]

give me some Raven swagger, bird lovers

[exotic coral]

It might be a bit late, but don’t rely too heavily on side air. Neutral air, jab, down air, down tilt, and Lenure should be your main combo starters.

Also, most of Raven’s moves aren’t safe on shield, so you should try to hit opponents already in the air, or punish them for hitting your shield/whiff punish them.

Neutral air/down tilt > up air/side air (DI dependent), and Lenure behind opponent > neutral special > down air > side air are pretty solid. For a more consistent Lenure combo, you could go with Lenure > neutral special > nair > up air.

At high% most of the combo starters lead into up air for a kill confirm.

[harsh sand]

Raven seems to have no end lag on air moves. That’s great

[wild fulcrum]

Much love

[lone ruin]

She uh... she has quite a bit of that

[bronze garnet]

That guy complains about every character he loses to (which is all of them), I wouldn't take him seriously

[lone ruin]

It is a sentiment I see from a lot of people though, which makes me confused

[bronze garnet]

Yeah idk lol

If you're fairly competent at the game you should be able to whiff punish most of Raven's moves

[willow finch]

Idk her hitboxes and lenore feels kinda bad compare to marcy kit when they both have the same new char design

[harsh sand]

On which moves?

[harsh sand]

It’s nice to know you’re paying so much attention to me and what I say. Let’s me know I’m being heard so thanks for confirming that

[bronze garnet]

Happy New years dude

[harsh sand]

Thanks same to you too dude keep taking track of my complaints they might just catch the eye of the devs

[lone ruin]

Nair is laggy, up air but hopefully no1 is using that where they could get hit, rock, literally every side special is quite vulnerable tho ig less when lenore is out, dtilt, jab, dair isn't the best on whiff either

Also, I was making this list just because but I kept remembering how many moves there were and now I'm kinda sad

[harsh sand]

Don’t be sad. These are just things that need some work

[lone ruin]

She's fine, just not entirely safe

[gaunt pumice]

They cooked with her design

[vital bear]

Yo

Whats ravens best out of shield option

[lone ruin]

shield breaker

[vital bear]

Ty

How does that combo?

[lone ruin]

it doesnt

she sux oos

best other thing is dtilt but if they mash they win

well, most chars at least

[vital bear]

Yeah most people dodge before my dtilt comes out

[pearl scaffold]

whoever t-wrecks94 is, please uninstall the game

[clever sluice]

I'm gonna miss Raven

I loved what the team did with her

She was the only new character I was hyped for

[hushed sand]

Still no fix for the signature perk that changed her down special? The game is gonna die without that ever functioning, isn't it

[foggy falcon]

Whats the issue with the Perk?

[atomic trench]

Every bundle in the game has a 40-60% discount except for the white raven bundle, it's still full price for me

[harsh sand]

Is it just me or are ravens moves just so clutch. It’s like you can’t really whiff with her even if you tried to

[foggy falcon]

You love her?

[foggy falcon]

She is cool?

[clever sluice]

Yeah she's pretty fun in 2s

In 1s she's kinda eh

Too campy