Beetlejuice

[thin oar]

it has a little knock back

[neon sun]

It ground bounces now, so you can combo Jab jab d tilt repeatedly until ko percents.

As long as you read the tech roll.

Or you can just combo into jab jab uppercut after jab jab d tilt.

[thin oar]

i see after the second loop you just need to read it

okay thanks

[neon sun]

Kinda a huge buff for beet tbh

Can essential Tod off simple roll reads.

[thin oar]

is there a way to make the up jab and nair true? or is it just random

[neon sun]

Up tilt is always true after jab

[thin oar]

yeah i’m looking for follow-ups beyond the jab

i heard someone say you can jump into nair after up attack

but it doesn’t seem to be a true combo

[neon sun]

Yeah you can, you can also up air and fair

Nair is true on low percents, up air is always true until like 100ish

You gotta start reading DI at higher percents

[thin oar]

oh wait if you jab jab down jab jab up you can follow it with up air attack

[thin oar]

yeah that seems to be the issue with this character

that combo gives you 37

[neon sun]

Yeah that’s about the most you can do, you can also do jab jab beetle if you want a guarantee beetle

[thin oar]

how am I supposed to approach with beetlejuice

i use beetle but it’s not always reliable

[neon sun]

Yeah he sucks on that, patience and spacing as jab is his best approach besides air side special, air dashing is viable now since it’s buffed.

[thin oar]

beetlejuice just needs better kill confirms and he’s solid

[ocean aurora]

What perks do you guys use?

[ocean aurora]

True I can only consistently kill from up attack or fishing for dair follow ups

[brazen rivet]

Angry bugs, flammable, speed force, pugilist

[thin oar]

i’ve been running angry, snowball, last stand and pugilist but i switch with that’s flammable

i just wish I could hit down air special consistently

that’s why i don’t run that’s flammable that much

[thin oar]

is speed force assist good? it’s barely a noticeable difference in my opinion

[ocean aurora]

Damn am I the only one who runs “blind spot gaurd” instead of pugilist

[brazen rivet]

Tbh I've never taken it off of him so idk LOL

[ocean aurora]

I don’t use it. But it makes it easier to hit uptilt nair on Di away

[brazen rivet]

Forgot this was a new perk

How much health do you get?

[ocean aurora]

2 gray health

[thin oar]

if press the advantage was a second slot perk i’d use it on beetlejuice

[ocean aurora]

So basically if you get punished they will do 2% less. Imo it’s a decent trade off

[thin oar]

ohhhh that’s why i didn’t see it, it looks like the stronger than ever perk, that’s so lazy

[ocean aurora]

Yea I couldn’t find it at first 😭

[thin oar]

doesn’t gray health also lower hitstun or knock back

i don’t remember

[ocean aurora]

No it’s just for %

[thin oar]

oh okie

[ocean aurora]

And you only get gray heatlh for 1s so its only good for instant punishes

[thin oar]

i guess that perk is good for beetlejuice i do be whiffing his jab

[ocean aurora]

Yea same

[brazen rivet]

I've been thinking about trying out some airwalker stuff

[ocean aurora]

I was about to say I use airwalker

[brazen rivet]

Because it seems really nice for being able to throw a bug out offstage to make space to recover

[ocean aurora]

Yea

His recovering is really bad

[rough tundra]

Sair Special aint bad

[brazen rivet]

It's good but very predictable

[thin oar]

yeah usually they just punish or walk away

[cloud lake]

did anyone else notice they changed dair special?

its only directly beneath you now when before it would go a bit past you

[brazen rivet]

Yeah it actually feels super reliable now

I'm using it so much more often

[cloud lake]

i really liked it when it kinda went behind so i can punish someone for chasing

[ocean aurora]

So dash attack and beetle are the only moves that destroy projectiles? #clips message

I wonder if dash attack can break bugs rocket

Bro I need kill options, can someone invite me to beetlejuice discord

[brazen rivet]

Yep

[brazen rivet]

It doesn't

Also I have no clue if there even is a Beetlejuice server lol I haven't bothered looking into it

He has some good kill options off of ground down attack but for the most part he's still just a dodge read character

[ocean aurora]

I definitely need good kill options that don’t start on the ground

[brazen rivet]

Side special is really good, nair is solid to drag down to the ground, top hitbox of sair hits very vertically

Other than that it's up special ladders

Worm can work too but it's iffy

He doesn't really have any true aerial bread and butters or confirms. Pretty much everything relies on dodge reads and pressure

[shy hound]

6000

[wicked zenith]

that is

2x more, what 😭

anyway I've been playing BJ a bit more and wow he is fun

especially since I've started using the signature perk that stuns

might need to learn how to use it more often, but it is fun

it's like charmed

but better

[thin oar]

saw someone use the stun perk

it’s helping kill confirm easier

once they remove angry beetle bug you could jab jab down attack, jab jab up special and then air up special the first beetle hit is dodged but the second one isn’t

you can also do this if you’re using the the other perks as well

[spring grove]

anyone find a way to combo into the stun? 👀

[wicked zenith]

oh

then I should definitely start using it more, wth

I can't kill for the life of me

[wicked zenith]

Gonna need some help

Is there any true combos that are good with stun?

Because while I love the perk, I keep getting punished cause I'm not using it correctly

[ocean aurora]

Nah I don’t think stun is that worth it

[spring grove]

Ngl, I think the flammable perk might be better than snowball effect

Especially with angry beetle

Air down b counts as a projectile for some reason

[brazen rivet]

Absolutely

Your beetle will chase after an ignited enemy because they're taking damage near it

[wicked zenith]

A fully charged stun can give you enough time to charge an up tilt to max lol

It can kill very early if used correctly

issue is that

1. you need to charge it first
2. there's like no combos with it, from what I've seen

so uh

if there is a true combo that works with the stun, it'll probably be better than angry beatle

since you can continue the ladder combo after you do the charged up tilt

[brazen rivet]

I think angry bugs is just too necessary unfortunately

Also in the lab I'm doing a full stun, not staled at all, and it isn't lasting long at all

[surreal bronze]

well I can hit with the sand worm more now but I don't really see benefit of it. I do love that down attack near the edge lets me set up for edge guarding.

[brazen rivet]

Worm is nice for spacing and it sets you up for a dodge read. Most people panic after being hit by it

Also good landing option to throw people off

[surreal bronze]

going to need to watch some videos for it for sure. also I still have a bad habit of trying to punish too early for a dodge. I understand why but I still try to hit them right after they stop.

[brazen rivet]

Yeah, it takes some muscle memory, but once you get it down it'll just happen without having to think too hard about it

Biggest thing is to try and take note of the other person's dodge habits

What direction they like to dodge in depending on where they're at on the stage and all that

[surreal bronze]

over all still happy with the buffs I am getting a lot of damage on someone now, but once they get to 100 I just can't seem to get the kill.

[ocean aurora]

Yea but you are gonna hit it in the first place

Once there is a viable combo that can go into stun maybe I will use it

But bugs is way better for a bunch of stuff

[silk peak]

man it feels like I work so much harder for less payoff than characters with similar gameplay routes

😦

I can set up a cool 50/50 but a good character would just kill in the same situation

[neon sun]

Yeah beet sucks ngl, still gunna main the guy. Work mad hard just to kill with up tilt at like 130.

[ocean aurora]

Yea fr and people play more floaty now a days

[ocean aurora]

But I wouldn’t say he completely sucks but kill power is holding him back like crazy

[silk peak]

oh no for sure

fun ass guy

love him

[neon sun]

Certain MU’s you literally can do zero, like Morty for example. My man beetle has zero approach options lol but then again who doesn’t have bad MU’s.

[silk peak]

i hate how the PPG can just like

ignore bugs

with the perk

like they just get to throw one of them at it and it goes away with no detriment to them lmao

[thin oar]

yeah its a hard matchup 😔

[silk peak]

I feel like that's every matchup lmao

I'd really like bug to at least trade with weaker projectiles

but harley's unexploded stickybomb just deletes it and keeps going

[ocean aurora]

I would use dash attack to destroy projectiles a lot more if it wasn’t to punishable #clips message

[ocean aurora]

I haven’t gone against a Morty yet. Probably gonna be my first time not playing a character with a winning match up against him 😔

[neon sun]

I’ve never had to use my brain more just to lose, MU is unbearable.

[ocean aurora]

What about destroying nades with beetle?

But I’m thinking you can get hit with wall easily

[ocean aurora]

Im also struggling against ppg too but maybe its because the character is new and I gotta get used to it

[neon sun]

It’s hard to break the grenade when they’re walling you out with fair and dirt. And don’t forget neutral special Just completely beating out anything

[silk peak]

god I wish PPG's grab was a projectiule

[neon sun]

Half the time I try and ignore the grenade just chasing Morty around the map to just get fair’d out lol

Also idk if you guys have played a good banana guard but that MU also sucks for beetle as bad as it sounds…

You’ll see when you get there.

[ocean aurora]

I hate the air side special soo much

[ocean aurora]

😟😟😟

[ocean aurora]

Beetlejuice juggling is so fun 😭 #clips message

[neon sun]

Try the stun sticker

When you have momentum like that it’s so much better 😌

[thin oar]

never thought about juggling with nair before good tip

[neon sun]

I never even used nair until the buff, it was so poopy.

[sullen shoal]

the signature i use is the bigger bomb cuz i'm not smart enough for stunning

[brazen rivet]

That's its best use imo

Dodge punishes

After the confirmed string of up attack > up air or sair, dodge cancel a nair into the direction you think they'll dodge

Pops them up a bit so you can continue

After the pain of only solo queueing I'm the second Beetlejuice to hit Master in 2s yay

[ocean aurora]

Yea 100% one of his best moves

[brazen rivet]

It's always been good imo but now it's very good with the momentum change

Also at some percents you can jab jab > down attack > IAD nair

[ocean aurora]

But sometimes nair will ground bounce

It’s pretty annoying

[brazen rivet]

Yeah, has to be a precise angle

Depends on character size too

Although it ground bouncing is nice sometimes as a starter

[ocean aurora]

Yo how do you deal against powerpuff girls in 1s?

I can beat them easily on stripe but beetlejuice I’m struggling way too much

[brazen rivet]

Worm is your best friend tbh

Their hurtbox is really weird but they get hit by worm a LOT and it makes your approaches less predictable

Jump, stall with worm, then dodge cancel nair is a really good approach

It's hard to kill them though

They fall out of combos

[ocean aurora]

I always get punished for worm

They always wait for too approach

It’s annoying

[brazen rivet]

If you're playing against anyone that waits for an approach they win by default unironically

[ocean aurora]

Ngl true

😭

[brazen rivet]

Beetlejuice is probably a bottom 3 1v1 character

He has zero approach options

And any character in the game can just sit on their side of the stage and be fine

[ocean aurora]

Fr I legit have to chase someone down for a Nair.

[ocean aurora]

If the ppg players are aggressive I always win but if they are passive just fishing for those 40+ damage combos I always lose

[brazen rivet]

Yep

That's the problem with Beetlejuice

In a game where people don't play degenerate or EXTREMELY passive? He'd be great

But in this game? Lmao

1s is literally just wait to see who approaches simulator

[ocean aurora]

Fr. I just hope I can get him a high rank atleast

I just wanna get master 5 or sum. But I will have too find a way to beat passive playstyle

Using beetle is nice but it’s easy to avoid when far away

[brazen rivet]

I can't be bothered to play enough 1s for that

1s as a whole is unbelievably boring to me because of how this game is

[neon sun]

I’m trying in 1’s

Very much sweat, very much brain power. I’m bout to get back on after the break I just took.

[brazen rivet]

I've done like five sets of 1s and don't have the patience for it lol

[ocean aurora]

I just can’t play bj in 2s

For me ones is my only option

[wicked zenith]

okay, I'm gonna try improving as bj later in the day

I remember the ppg being really annoying to deal with

cause their up tilt is uh

it's pretty good

also cause I can't kill for the afterlife of me, and they die at 120+ or something 😭

[ocean aurora]

I got my own version of twos 😼 Beetle and beetle juice team combo

#combos message

[wicked zenith]

ooh, that could be a nice kill confirm for a few lighter characters if you charge up tilt a bit more

not a kill comfirm, what am I saying

but you can probably ladder and then ring em out easily

[ocean aurora]

Ngl same. His kill confirms are so bad 😭

[ocean aurora]

Yea true I will have to lab it more

[wicked zenith]

what perks do you run, cause I might genuinely need to use the stack of weakend at 125

also nobody uses big bomb right, lol

[ocean aurora]

Sorry for late response

Nah I don’t use any weakens perks. I use:
Beetle, flammable, airwalker and blindspot gaurd

Pretty strange set of perks ik 💀

[ocean aurora]

Basically beetle:
I use it for recovery and for damage with flammable.

Airwalker I use when I’m off stage with upspecial - #clips message also good for recovering

And lastly blind spot guard basically gives you 2 grey health when ever your enemy dodges your attack for 1s. So when you get punished their hits do 2% less which is nice in the long run

[past hill]

DUDE I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO USED AIRWALKER WITH BEETLEJUICE! And we both use it for recovery

you're so based and awesome sauce pilled

[spring grove]

That is a good idea

📝

[agile lynx]

Hows beetlejuice since the changes? And bnb combos with him? I like him but I need a foundation and info on how he should play

[marsh sedge]

huh? but air walker doesn't refersh your jumps how does it help your recovery

[trim flare]

BJ kinda decent

jab, jab, down tilt, jab, jab, up tilt

[spring grove]

Tbh doing jab jab dtilt twice is pretty good too, BJ can catch techs with jab again pretty easily

9 times out of 10, the opponent will tech towards the stage because MVS players don't know how to do mixups lol

[trim flare]

bc auto tech is trash garbage

Pls remove

[agile lynx]

Teach me

[brazen rivet]

What I like to do, is jab jab down tilt for the first, then single jab down tilt

Gives them less time to anticipate the tech

And most people always DI out

[trim flare]

bj is honestly the definition of a medium character imo

[spring grove]

Correct

It was implemented because the devs gave up on trying to balance loops

[trim flare]

the distance from it is also so ass

50/50 guessing game

[wicked zenith]

Can't play any matches without lagging every few seconds, lol

[trim flare]

The looper gusses right

take another 40%

[wicked zenith]

Anyway sometimes you can do the second dash even with angry beatle?

Was able to kill from it, so that's coolio

[trim flare]

if the beetle is active on the stage you can

[agile lynx]

Anyone recommend a good beetlejuice with vids to watch?

[ocean aurora]

DAMN YOU TOO?? Not a lot of people use it fr it’s so good

[spring grove]

bhands on youtube has a couple good videos, but they're a bit outdated

[thin oar]

getting used to knowing it’s there is a challenge but it’s a good perk

[agile lynx]

Cant be reliable with the radical new patch

[ocean aurora]

Yea

I only want a video of the new patch

Or from actual bj mains

[agile lynx]

Lol. Just saying bj sounds funny

[brazen rivet]

I've seen so few Beetlejuice mains and like no real posts or anything on him other than me and a few others I've seen here

[ocean aurora]

The juice is loose 👀

[ocean aurora]

Yea I wanna see ppls post so I can copy some of their combos and hopefully better kill combos

[brazen rivet]

I could compile some stuff/general routes I like to take depending on situation sometime

I don't think I'm the best and I don't think leaderboard placement really shows who is the most skilled, BUT I can definitely hang in high end lobbies and have learned a ton

[ocean aurora]

I only picked BJ this patch so yea i would appreciate it

[brazen rivet]

I'm working on playing some more 1s to better myself at it because it helps in the long run so as things pop up in those matches I'll clip it and break things down

[ocean aurora]

My main problem is mostly killing #clips message

Or beating projectile heavy characters like LeBron and TnJ

[brazen rivet]

Oh yeah I feel that for sure

Dexter's Lab 2 is awful for Beetlejuice

None of his ladders really work

[ocean aurora]

Even though I’ve gone against 2 Morty’s as beetlejuice I would say it isn’t as bad as LeBron, cause atleast you can play around the grenades.

This one LeBron I faced I couldn’t do shi the whole game.

[brazen rivet]

Morty is okay most of the time because he's light

And you can snuff out his taser into dirt confirm with a dash attack read

[ocean aurora]

Yea I did that a lot

[brazen rivet]

LeBron has a more prevalent combo game with more options

[ocean aurora]

Ive never lost to a lebron that badly 😭

[brazen rivet]

After his buffs he's a menace

[ocean aurora]

Fr. I think heavy projectile characters are a losing mu

Well the ones who don’t need to drag their projectile to the other side of the map

[brazen rivet]

There are only like 4 characters max I could consider a winning matchup in 1s for him

And even then he's mostly even at best

[chrome jay]

I know the Recovery is horrible for his Dash attack that helps against Projectiles

[spring grove]

why do the ppg get to do whatever they want with no consequences

[drowsy idol]

TnJ feels so rough, you actually have to try so hard everytime vs them

[drowsy idol]

which 4?

[brazen rivet]

Thinking about it now they all got buffed this patch and are doing far better now so LMAO nevermind

It really is hard to say he has winning matchups, it's more just which matchups suck the leaat

[drowsy idol]

lol I do think he has some though surely

but I agree alot of them suck when people go passive mode

[brazen rivet]

Reindog is fairly even depending on stage

[ocean aurora]

I think Jason is really easy

[brazen rivet]

It really depends imo

[ocean aurora]

With dtilt to break armour too

I just play passive and beetle until they are in burnout then juggle

[drowsy idol]

same

[brazen rivet]

The problem is when they're smart and use armor while you're off stage

Once Jason gets you into disadvantage it's pretty over

[ocean aurora]

Airwalker beetle ⬆️↗️

[brazen rivet]

In most situations I don't think you'll have the time to interrupt

[ocean aurora]

Nair carried so much against Jason #clips message

[drowsy idol]

Jason, IG, BG, Garnet, Taz (maybe?)

[ocean aurora]

IG seems kinda even

Haven’t played a garnet yet

But the rest i agree

[brazen rivet]

Garnet wins imo

[ocean aurora]

It’s mostly character who have to approach you ngl

[brazen rivet]

Taz also wins, he nullifies beetle entirely which makes you half of a character

Also so much whiffs him

[drowsy idol]

nicee

[drowsy idol]

think so? I normally don't have trouble w garnets imo

[ocean aurora]

Even tho I haven’t fought the match up, I was thinking the same with missile and range

[brazen rivet]

BG probably yeah, he is one of the few that has zero answers to projectiles

[brazen rivet]

Garnet is nuts. She's big which helps, but that's where our advantage ends imo

[ocean aurora]

But taz also to get really close for hits. Perfect for jab combos

[brazen rivet]

Sing beats beetle, rocket gauntlets beat beetle, plus her combo/pressure game on disadvantage is just so much better

There aren't many moves that can be used to contest her pressure

[drowsy idol]

what range does she have over beetlejuice 🤔

[brazen rivet]

Jab regularly whiffs him on attack recovery, and sometimes up tilt just doesn't connect because he can DI out if you hit with the farther part of jab

Also he can just abuse soup armor in neutral lol

[drowsy idol]

beetle can break gauntlets, and It normally seems like garnet has a harder time approaching

maybe I need to fight more garnets

[drowsy idol]

up tilt whiffing is painful

especially vs TnJ when I really need it not to lol

[brazen rivet]

Maybe if beetle is already set up, but if you are in the process of kicking it, gauntlet just goes right through it

And yeah imo problem is there aren't many Garnets

[ocean aurora]

Sair missile nair dtilt sidespecial(cooldown) neutral attack

[brazen rivet]

But the ones that know their stuff cover everything

[drowsy idol]

you can def hit gauntlets out of the air

[brazen rivet]

I'll have to double check tomorrow. I could be wrong. But it doesn't change too much overall

[ocean aurora]

Thats why against him I mostly approach nair and punish with dair

[brazen rivet]

Problem with that though is once he catches on his up tilt is free

With the amount of endlag from nair and dair it's a huge commitment

[ocean aurora]

That’s why dair is for punishing not approaching

With the air changed dash nair gets punished a lot less

[brazen rivet]

That's true

But a bit of that kind of highlights the fundamental problem with Beetlejuice

He relies entirely on punishes

[ocean aurora]

^

[brazen rivet]

And that's why he has atrocious matchup spreads

[ocean aurora]

Wrong one 😭

[brazen rivet]

Like unironically the counterplay to Beetlejuice is stop moving LMAO

[ocean aurora]

That’s why the zomers who can attack you with being in a punish state have a better mu

[brazen rivet]

There's also a huge amount of anti-projectile abilities

Or just straight up turning your projectile into theirs

Tom, Jack, Garnet, Steven all make angry beetle actively detrimental most of the time

And the other issue is that it feels like Beetlejuice was built around the angry bugs perk

And yet it's still a perk slot despite imo really needing to be how he works to begin with

[ocean aurora]

Imo Jack should NOT be able to grab beetle

It’s so unfair

Without beetle beetlejuice is nothing

[brazen rivet]

Like it's nice you can just explode the beetle by using up special again even if it's theirs but that's an entire cooldown used on something that shouldn't really happen

[brazen rivet]

Exactly

[ocean aurora]

But I had a glitch where a samurai jack took my beetle and I could still upspecial

[brazen rivet]

It's his entire game plan and the only thing keeping him functional

Which is a bit frustrating

His small buffs were nice but he needs some fundamental changes instead of just value changes

[drowsy idol]

yeah thats happened to me

jack isn't very fun to fight imo with beetlejuice

[ocean aurora]

So basically if someone take sober beetle you might aswell up special straight away

[ocean aurora]

Imagine if they gave enemies the ability to use upspecial too 😭

[coral pasture]

I’ve never felt trouble fighting jacks myself but maybe i haven’t fought jacks that are experienced in the beetlejuice matchup

[ocean aurora]

Yea Jack isn’t that bad

Cause atleast he has to approach you unlike certain character

TOM AND JERRY

[neon sun]

I hate fighting jack period and how overtuned his jab 1 is.

[marsh sedge]

i'd rather fight jack than ppg

[neon sun]

Don’t we all

[dreamy flame]

I wanna experiment with the bomb perk but I feel like angry bugs is way too intergal

Lowkey kinda feel like it should just be part of his base kit at this point since double up b has been bugged since launch

[ocean aurora]

Fr this perk is way to useful as aiming perk for Marvin and Harley

[neon sun]

I think you guys are sleep on stun

[ocean aurora]

It’s nice but beetle is way better

[neon sun]

I like beetle in 2’s

But for 1’s I do love me some stun.

[ocean aurora]

But even in 1s you rarely do neutral special as much as beetle

[brazen rivet]

I absolutely agree

Bomb perk has its uses in 2v2

It depends on matchup

[ocean aurora]

I think they should have made it so the beetle stays even if you don’t hit

And then for the perk is basically angry beetle after you hit them

[brazen rivet]

If you're going against characters that really easily deal with beetle or can reflect it then there is no use in running angry bugs

[brazen rivet]

It certainly needs something

I feel like Beetlejuice needs a passive buff when he has the beetle attached to him at minimum

Other than the double up special that doesn't even work sometimes lol

Also this is what I like to do with neutral special vs people that always dodge first without thinking much about it

#clips message

[ocean aurora]

Yea I’m implementing that to my gameplay

I didn’t even know you could cancel out with jump

[brazen rivet]

It's really strong

[ocean aurora]

I never really like the move fake outs aren’t too bad

[brazen rivet]

The animation tricks people into thinking it's nair

Helps massively for baiting dodges

[ocean aurora]

Damn I’m so glad u showed me u can cancel it without dodge

Cancelling it with dodge is the main reason why I never did that move at all

[brazen rivet]

Yep

It's not worth the dodge meter

[neon sun]

No. YOU don’t use it as much lol.

[ocean aurora]

Damn it actually works

[ocean aurora]

U use neutral special more than beetle?

That’s kinda crazy ngl

[neon sun]

With stun yes, since you can jump cancel

I mainly just use beetle to edge guard

And the general poke here and there.

But my whole neutral isn’t beetle since I don’t like angry bugs in 1’s.

[ocean aurora]

I think it depends on playstyle ig

[neon sun]

I wish we could like pick up bomb and throw it lol

[brazen rivet]

I can't really get behind stun

[ocean aurora]

💀

[brazen rivet]

I actually much prefer the knockback

[ocean aurora]

Same

[brazen rivet]

If you hit its sweet spot you can get some silly early kills

[neon sun]

I’d rather loop people off air dodge reads with stun and the occasional ko with charge up tilt than rack up percent with beetle

But yeah it deff is playstyle.

Don’t get me wrong when I first started off with beet I did like angry bug in neutch but I ended up overall preferring stun.

[ocean aurora]

I swear Beetlejuice turns into A tier when the opponents is in burnout 😭 #clips message

[brazen rivet]

It's unfortunately the only time in a match where he actually turns into a character lmao

[ocean aurora]

True

Sometimes I even try to get my opponent to burn out dodges

[brazen rivet]

I'm getting so tired of Jason. Like yeah he's combo food but if he wins 3 engagements your stock is gone

Just annoying that I have to play so careful even against not great players

Because one side air and you're back into jab jab side special jail

It's honestly crazy that he has better and more true combos than Beetlejuice lmao

[neon sun]

I was saying this to myself the other day cause why is jab teleport looping me and so very free and all it takes is 3 meanwhile I gotta work like I’m lifting bags of concrete up a hill.

[brazen rivet]

Like you can DI the jab teleport but at best it puts you in a 50/50 where he still gets a free kill off of literally one read

[ocean aurora]

Beetlejuice different combo route #combos message

[brazen rivet]

That's really nice

I do the same but with side special instead of dash attack since they have the same hitstun

[ocean aurora]

Side special has a bit more but does less damage

[ocean aurora]

Damn you just gave me another combo route 🙌

[silk peak]

One of the biggest issues with this game is the fact you can't accept/deny people based on connection

because man

Beet SUCKS in lag

[brazen rivet]

One thing you can do at higher percents is jab jab down tilt, dodge cancel side special, then you can reset into a jab again

Since the sour spot sends horizontally

[ocean aurora]

Thanks 🙏

[ocean aurora]

Bro why is beetle attacking the enemy last second 💀 #clips message

We wasn’t even that far, I genuinely thought I could pull off a team combo

[silk peak]

don't expect anything of bug lol

that mf loves throwing games

[brazen rivet]

It only triggered off of the burn damage is why

So it activated late

[ocean aurora]

One time the bug didn’t even move at all 😭

[ocean aurora]

That’s so annoying

[silk peak]

my favourite is when he just goes inside people and doesn't explode

[ocean aurora]

Oh yea they said the will fix that soon

Happens to almost every projectile

[silk peak]

yeah but it's more annoying when it happens to Beet

[brazen rivet]

Looks like you were barely out of its seeking radius because it goes off of who takes damage near it and not who is in hitstun near it

[ocean aurora]

Was that not close 💀

[brazen rivet]

Not close enough unfortunately lol

I wish I could put pictures in here

[regal plaza]

They should give beetlejuice a spooky month emote dance

[thin oar]

doubt it

[ocean aurora]

Ok I have gotten the hang of ppg match up

It’s not that bad

[brazen rivet]

Could be worse but it's obnoxious that their command grab deletes beetle

[ocean aurora]

Yea that

The only moves I have a problem with is side air special

[brazen rivet]

It's so hard to read

[ocean aurora]

Yea

I’m so happy my opponents don’t abuse it

[brazen rivet]

And you can't trade half the time because all grabs in this game are wack

[ocean aurora]

Would make it so much harder

[ocean aurora]

Also one of my opponents did IAD side air special

I kid you not you can’t tell the difference between
iad side air special
Dodge side special

[brazen rivet]

Yep that doesn't surprise me

I heavily dislike the design of their side special

[ocean aurora]

It’s so annoying

[brazen rivet]

On the ground it's a ranged grab that literally can't be punished

[ocean aurora]

Especially with the desync

[brazen rivet]

In the air it's too quick to meaningfully react unless they actively telegraph it

[ocean aurora]

You can literally dodge out as soon as you throw it

So dumb

[brazen rivet]

And both moves are combo starters, kill moves, and free pressure lol

[ocean aurora]

Im glad im not the only one

The only move I struggle with countering. Sometimes I pre fire beetle just of the special

[brazen rivet]

The only real tell for it is the sound cue

And even then

It comes out right as they use it so

[ocean aurora]

😭

[brazen rivet]

It needs some sort of visual cue because their animation for it is subtle even if you don't take the screen clutter into account

[ocean aurora]

The move is so underrated I’m surprised most ppg players are only fishing for jab and not doing other stuff

[ocean aurora]

Yea like a glowing light atleast

[brazen rivet]

Yeah I'd like to see a colored highlight similar to Jack's side special

But have it be the color of the PPG being sent out

[ocean aurora]

#clips message

I also think air side special should get a bit more startup

[silk peak]

he is fun

he is not good

[brazen rivet]

Got tired of losing to Jason because of him winning neutral twice so I gave up and switched to him for a bit LMAO

It's crazy having a jab that actually connects and doesn't have whiff

[agile lynx]

Any recommend a new combo vid yet?

[wicked zenith]

God I can do some nasty up tilts with the stun perk 😭

It's inconsistent but wow does it make it easier to kill

[ocean aurora]

All of them are last patch

I would make one but I would miss a bunch of stuff

[agile lynx]

Are there any air combos?

[ocean aurora]

Morty

[rough tundra]

Jab jab down attack jab jab up attack into side air or up air

It works at low and mid %

[agile lynx]

I meant combos you do while in the air

[ocean aurora]

Nair jumpsair upair

[ocean aurora]

A= in the air
IAD= instant air dodge
St= stacked
LF= last frame
DA= dash attack

2 Hits:

• Jab - downtilt
• Jab - uptilt
• Jab - upspecial
• Uptilt - upair
• Dair(LF) - nair
• Dair - upair
• Sair(IAD) - uptilt
• Upair(IAD) - uptilt
• Jab - sidespecial(St)
• Nair(IAD) - DA
• Dairspecial - upair
• Dairspecial - sair
• (A)Upairspecial - upair
• (A)sair - upair
• (A)Nair - upair

3 Hits:

• Jab - jab - jab
• Jab - jab - uptilt
• Jab - jab - downtilt
• Jab - jab - upspecial
• Dair(iad) - jab - jab
• Nair(IAD) - jab - jab
• Nair(IAD) - DA - uptilt
• Dairspecial - nair - upair
• Dairspecial - nair - sair
• Jab - sidespecial - uptilt
• (A)Nair - sair - upair

4 Hits:

• Jab - downtilt - DA - uptilt
• Jab - downtilt - DA - upspecial
• Dair(iad) - jab - jab - uptilt
• Nair(IAD) - jab - jab - uptilt
• Nair(IAD) - DA - uptilt - upair
• Nair(IAD) - DA - uptilt - nair
• Nair(IAD) - DA - uptilt - sair
• Jab(St) - sidespecial - uptilt - upair

5 Hits:

• Jab - jab - downtilt - jab - uptilt
• Jab - downtilt - DA - uptilt - upair
• Jab - downtilt - DA - uptilt - sair
• Jab - downtilt - DA - uptilt - nair
• Dair(iad) - jab - jab - uptilt - sair
• Dair(LF) - nair - jab - jab - uptilt
• Nair(IAD) - jab - jab - uptilt - nair
• Nair(IAD) - DA - uptilt - nair - upair
• Jab(St) - sidespecial - uptilt - nair - sair
• Jab(St) - sidespecial - uptilt - nair - upair

6 Hits:

• Jab - jab - downtilt - jab - jab - uptilt
• Jab - jab - downtilt - jab - jab - downtilt
• Jab - jab - downtilt - jab - jab - jab
• Jab - jab - downtilt - jab - jab - upspecial
• Dair(iad) - jab - jab - uptilt - nair - upair
• Nair(IAD) - jab - jab - uptilt - nair - sair
• Jab - downtilt - DA - uptilt - nair - sair
• Jab - downtilt - DA - uptilt - nair - upair

7+ Hits:

• Jab - jab - downtilt - jab - jab - uptilt - sair
• Nair(IAD) - jab - jab - uptilt - nair - sair - upair

[ocean aurora]

This is all the beetlejuice combos I can i know. There are probably a lot more missing

[wicked zenith]

wth

[ocean aurora]

What?

[wicked zenith]

nothin, just surprised to see a whole list of combos

nice work though

[ocean aurora]

Thanks 🙏

[ocean aurora]

I finally got the timing against ppg sair special 😭 #clips message

[brazen rivet]

Nice, it's so obnoxious to deal with lol

[ocean aurora]

Fr. I’m happy beetle isn’t the only move that destroys projectiles

[silk peak]

i wish Angry Bug didn't overtake much stronger knockback

[exotic elm]

Beetlejuice sig perks are really versatile

[nova haven]

when will we get his wedding tux skin

[west mortar]

He's the ghost with the most. 💚

[thin oar]

if only he was the ghost with the most kill confirms

[ocean aurora]

I destroy all bugs as soon as the opponent is 130

[ocean aurora]

#combos message I think this is the closest we have to a kill confirm at 100, but needs a lot of Di reading.

[silk peak]

someone who works hard can never beat someone on powerpuff girls...

[brazen rivet]

Yeah it's pretty inconsistent unfortunately

It depends a lot on when the worm actually hits them

[ocean aurora]

Nah it’s very possible. You just gotta play more passive than them

Only approach they can do is nair just beetle

If the air side special do dash attack you will win the 50/50

[ocean aurora]

Yea if it’s stacked then it’s only a Di reading from upair or sair

[clever birch]

i love him and want to main him so bad but
he is so weak i can’t-

[ocean aurora]

He racks up damage pretty well

Continue maining him

#clips message try doing this combo for your kill. Unless they got projectiles it’s a pretty hard move to punish since you are in the air.

[ocean aurora]

What I do is set the bot to 110% and random dodge after hitstun in training. And practise following up between upair/sair

[clever birch]

noted! thanks!

[ocean oriole]

I get a lot of kills in 2s with him (don’t play 1s except for missions so can’t speak to that)…he seems to kill fine to me? I would say try to mix up what pieces of the kit you’re using to keep them guessing but a grounded up attack, a neutral attack, a neutral special, an aerial side special or grounded side special with the sweet spot, the bomb… they all kill… stay near your ally and use the range on your moves to protect them, passing them also increases the likelihood of the “juice getting loose”… always keep your neutral special charged above halfway if you can help it so the “juice getting loose” kills… I’ve gotten tons of double ringouts with “the juice is loose” shenanigans

[clever birch]

i’ve played him in 1s since his debut and like
still i feel like he deals
less damage but-

honestly thanks for the advice :D

[ocean aurora]

“Kills fine” that’s a reach 😭 top 3 with the worst kill options

[ocean oriole]

I think he’s much better in 2s but some of the advice may still apply! Hope it helps at least a little!

[ocean aurora]

@clever birch combo list

#combos message this is what I like to at the beginning of the match to rack damage early

[clever birch]

thanks again!!!

like litteraly as soon as i would see a DC fighter i just
gave up-

[silk peak]

@ocean aurora out of interest

do you think Beet has any like

major standout things about him that's better than any other character?

or even like

new

lmao

I just play him because I like the character

[ocean aurora]

Beetle makes him standout abit

[silk peak]

yeah but that was what

[ocean aurora]

I only play him because I find most of the characters in this game boring

[silk peak]

a week ago?

lol

[ocean aurora]

I got diamond 1 with stripe and I dropped him for beetlejuice 😭

[silk peak]

i just think like

[ocean aurora]

Or that he has a goofy moveset

[silk peak]

Angry Bug is really the only imaginitive thing about the character

And sometimes it's detrimental lol

[ocean aurora]

Fr

[silk peak]

I think it'd be really cool if he could explode it at any time he's not in hitstun, so you can blow it up mid combo to stop it saving your opponent

[ocean aurora]

That would be nice. Kinda like a iron giant mini neutral special

[silk peak]

I also think he deserves an actual neutral special

[ocean aurora]

I hate that move so much

[silk peak]

it's also so detrimental to new players picking up the character

[ocean aurora]

Literally one of the only moves I can go 10 games without

[ocean aurora]

Yea they will drop him as soon as possible

[silk peak]

honestly I think having it be a faster option so you can tech read or react to a dodge with it, and making it always stun, would be super interesting

instead of this unusable slow ass move that you have to charge beforehand on a character who cannot deal with pressure

[ocean aurora]

Dumb idea

By the devs

[silk peak]

also give nair a lingering hitbox

it just looks like it should have one

[ocean aurora]

Beetlejuice struggles with approaching and having to approach just to stun is awful

[ocean aurora]

Yea

[silk peak]

they have some openings for external dev work

🤔

altho I do like my current job it's REALLY funny to apply just to fix Beetlejuice

[ocean aurora]

I really hope they buff him but not to much where as meta hoppers will play him

[silk peak]

i want him to be an honest mid tier like Smith

[ocean aurora]

That seems to be the case most of the times with balancing

[silk peak]

the Smith buffs are exactly how they should fix lower tier characters

it let him do more of what he wants to do, but not so much it's unfair

it doesn't let him do things he shouldn't be able to do

[ocean aurora]

Yea they should honestly stop buffing mid tiers

[silk peak]

normally I'm the like

[ocean aurora]

I think garnet was in a pretty stable place

[silk peak]

buffs>nerfs opinion

but man

the top tiers in this game need to be hit on the head

[ocean aurora]

Yea we have to try so much against them just to kill at 140

Then they have a combo that can kill you before 100

**All I want: **
better way to use neutral special
And for uptilt to kill guaranteed at 110%

[brazen rivet]

That's what I've been saying

Stop buffing and start nerfing more because the top power level is way too high

We do NOT want every character to be as strong as the best in the game, because all of those characters are strong in unhealthy ways that discourage normal gameplay

80% of the characters in this game are better than just good, but the second a character has a single bad matchup people go nuts acting like they need buffs to be able to deal with every single scenario in the game

Like, Beetlejuice would be great if he was in almost any other platform fighter, but the problem is that he's in Multiversus and doesn't play by the same rules most characters do. The only way to meaningfully buff characters right now is by giving them the same things that make the top tiers problematic and boring

[thin oar]

exactly my thoughts

i want to know what pfg thinks is a balanced fighter

[ocean aurora]

That’s why I was confused when characters like garnet and stripe was getting buffs

[ocean aurora]

I don’t there is one right now 💀

[ocean aurora]

They were fine as they were even tho I mained stripe his buff was unnecessary

[brazen rivet]

I just wish bad matchups were embraced more instead of feeling the need to give characters tools to deal with like everything and overloading kits

That's not to say bad matchups should be prevalent everywhere and feel terrible to play though

But just that they really need to exist or else the balance of this game will go nowhere

Because then you have characters like Tom and Jerry that have the most oppressive projectile game out of the roster but also effectively no downside elsewhere in their kit

[rough ridge]

If only that was the case for Jake.....

[exotic elm]

So true, I wish the focused more on reworking mid tiers instead of “fixing” characters that are fine or only need minor readjustments

[sour hornet]

there are different ways to buff strength

in a competitive game every one should in the same room of strength. this game wants to be League of Legends of plat fighters, its clear as day. it wants to be competitive, smash doesnt for example.

like every character should be in the same room of strength. the problem focking is that pfg do it in the most d u m bass ways humanly possible

[neon sun]

I have been converted into a angry bug, flammable user.

I still love stun though. 😂

It’s that passive damage be racking up like a mf.

[ocean oriole]

I definitely have a load out with it in case I run into teammates with projectiles… otherwise I just run 5%… I get a lot of kills with neutral special so I don’t ever use the stun one

[ocean aurora]

Perfect now the next step is airwalker 👀

[neon sun]

I never even used airwalker yet, I can probably cover air dodges with up tilt instead of chasing with up special lol

[ocean aurora]

Imagine going against this as Beetlejuice
#combos message

You lost 100%

[ocean aurora]

Im thinking of going to stun 😪

I see all the top bj players in 1s using stun too

[brazen rivet]

Idk I still don't see the appeal

[ocean aurora]

Same

I don’t even like it aswell

But mfs getting to masters by only doing stun

[thin oar]

any beetlejuice discord yet

[thin oar]

i think it’s because angry bugs is inconsistent

[gusty cliff]

Spent way too long trying to get this combo I thought of but finally did. 0-59, 14 hits with angry beetle and fire. Has a really specific setup so no chance of actually hitting in game. Kind of interesting how beetle can give you a pseudo loop of jab 1 2 dtilt if it hits just right

[trim flare]

one has existed for a long time

[thin oar]

where

can i get a link

[thin oar]

?

dair is a suggestion tbh

it doesn’t even hit

[thin oar]

i don’t see the utility in stun perk, yet this brazilian hits it consistently

[thin oar]

number 5 beetlejuice doesn’t even main him 😭

[thin oar]

jab jab up to side special kill confirm

[ocean aurora]

Yea I want to join too

[ocean aurora]

Send me

[ocean aurora]

Yea that and also people who use it abuse it 24/7 I was watching number 7 Beetlejuice play

I swear bro did only did:
Stun -> jab jab dtilt (repeat)
Then for kill confirm:
Stun uptilt(charged)

[ocean aurora]

Every single game, it was the same thing and nothing new. Even joker main do more stuff

[thin oar]

what a horrible state this character is in

[ocean aurora]

^

The only thing this character is good at is ladder combos

[shy hound]

This channel is dead. Babum tzzz

Beetlejuice is a lovely character in 2 V 2

I like him

[trim flare]

he isnt bad rn

just gotta play him right

[ocean aurora]

😡

[trim flare]

i speak truth

[ocean aurora]

Bottom 3

[thin oar]

i guess the beetlejuice discord is an exclusive club

the beetlejuice discord is the friends we made along the way

[ocean aurora]

Let me send it

[thin oar]

[ocean aurora]

#1264342666628567212 message

[ocean aurora]

Look at this 💀

[thin oar]

that combo is insane

[ocean aurora]

Beetlejuice getting that nerf

[thin oar]

it looks hard to do though

like dodge into neutral special

that doesn’t seem consistent

[ocean aurora]

Yea true

I wonder if you could do it without jab

Like stun fishing what a bunch of people do

[ocean aurora]

Here’s my matchup tierlist #clips message

[neon sun]

Finally, angry bugs be stopping my ko sometimes I like it in 2’s more

[ocean aurora]

Nah I changed my mind 💪

Sticking with da bugs

[neon sun]

🥲

[summer ivy]

Lowkey buff up tilt and BJ would literally be in the perfect spot

Like he would never need to be touched again

[neon sun]

Meh, he still has zero approach and most of the top tiers are unplayable. If BJ had actual approach tools and not have to be such a whiff punish heavy character THEN he’d be in a good spot. I just wanna pick up bomb and throw it lmao. Imagine beetle and a bomb you can throw around in neutch

[ocean aurora]

He needs his other kit buffed

if you don’t hit a jab or down air special your opponent is surviving till 150% and that sucks so much

Jab and down air special is the only thing that leads to a decent kill 100%+.

But the thing about those moves is that they are both whiff punishing moves, we need an aggressive move that kills atleast at 120% garaunteed

[exotic elm]

Might be the worst take I’ve ever heard

Up tilt buff would be great but bj would still be mid

[brazen rivet]

I'd really like a dash attack buff

To let you cancel out of it after destroying a projectile with it so we actually have an option vs projectiles

And also give it less endlag in general because sure it can kill on ledge but it's so much higher risk than a lot of other dash attacks

[ocean aurora]

Yea if we get that, then going against projectiles won’t feel as impossible

[brazen rivet]

I also wish bug kick without ammo had a little more utility tbh

[gusty cliff]

It’d be cool if it applied a stack of weaken

[ocean aurora]

Yea 100%

Because unlike other characters you can’t follow up from upspecial

[brazen rivet]

Also I feel like I have a decent idea to kind of rework the beetle gimmick

Make it so by default, the beetle stays out after you kick it, and if you use air up special it just takes it away in exchange for the second dash, like how angry bugs currently works. Make it so the bug only attacks people with angry bugs on, but without the perk, you can still detonate the bug for some stage control, and alter the detonation knockback to always hit them towards Beetlejuice

So effectively you can have a little mine out that you can detonate when you want that will give good chances of a followup, considering how easy it is to destroy the beetle

[ocean aurora]

How tf do beat Steven (no stun)

It feels like this dude doesn’t even have to try to beat beetlejuice

[brazen rivet]

Honestly I think it's truly unwinnable

Unless the Steven is just throwing

[ocean aurora]

Just finished playing ranked after losing 3-0 to a Steven. It sucks so much #clips message

Atleast with Wonderwoman and other bad match ups there is still a chance you can win. But steven can literally counter everything 😕

I need to find a way to deal with these match ups cause I’m just losing rp to players that aren’t even that good.

[brazen rivet]

It's one of those things where it's not even worth the time to try and find counterplay because it's actually a waste of energy

[drowsy idol]

it's possible, just turns into a very long match

feels like I have to wait everything out and just punish when I can

[drowsy idol]

which matchups are giving you the most trouble?

[brazen rivet]

Unrelated has anyone noticed they added some Beetlejuice lines with the last hotfix or am I tweaking, I'm pretty sure I'm hearing a few new interactions and victory lines now

[neon sun]

I feel like the only thing I can punish in that MU is spacing out his nair cause like… you ain’t beating out his fair or anything else lol.

[brazen rivet]

Beat a Batman streaming in ranked 1s and he said they need to slow Beetlejuice's jab down after he lost the set 😭

[ocean aurora]

Steven can easily outcamp bj.

And especially using forward air, It feels like no bj move has priority over that.

If the Steven is atleast decent at the game your chances of winning are like 5% unless you pull off ladder combos.

[ocean aurora]

Wonderwoman lebron and Steven.

I’ve started getting used to ww and lebron match up, with wonderwoman you just gotta play hella passive and with lebron kinda aggressive and dash attack the ball. Still pretty annoying to fight them

[brazen rivet]

The amount of times I go against a Steven and he's just sitting on his shield offstage healing is insane

Also imo WW is one of the worst matchups for him

She can straight up mash all game and you can never punish her

[ocean aurora]

Yea it probably is

Istg ww nair cannot be punished

[brazen rivet]

I almost lost against a 25 win WW earlier and I had to actually lock in lmao

It's obscene

[drowsy idol]

lool I wouldn't say it's that bad 😂 but yeah it can feel pretty rough

[drowsy idol]

yeah LeBron and ww are def the easier mus compared to Steven imo

LeBron doesn't seem that bad though

[ocean aurora]

I don’t see how we could possibly beat a Steven who is similar skill level

Atleast Steven has moves to attack us during passive play

We got beetle and that can be turned against us

[drowsy idol]

It's hard, thats why I said it turns into a long game

trying to out space and punish

[ocean aurora]

I only went against two lebron as beetlejuice the first match was against a s2 master 1 so it might not be that accurate. but I genuinely couldn’t do anything since he stood semi close to the ball and you can’t dash attack or you will get punished

[brazen rivet]

Imo you can't really outspace Steven ever because of his shield

[ocean aurora]

^

Like what outspace

And he can literally move you out of neutral by just using his laser(neutral special) and going aggressive

[drowsy idol]

yeah ball camping LeBron can be a pain, I normally just risk trading it w sair, air side special, or just break it with beetle

maybe mix it up w dodge in up tilt

@ocean aurora do you remember the Steven you fought??

[ocean aurora]

If the ball has already bounced and you hit it with beetle, it will get destroyed.

[ocean aurora]

No I don’t

@drowsy idol easyklap

#clips message I only lost 6rp cause he was way higher rank than me

[drowsy idol]

I'll try to custom him when he's on and see if I can find some ways around Steven things

[ocean aurora]

I jumped off the second set early. But got abit close on first

[rough tundra]

Lol

[ocean aurora]

Yea I got used to LeBron match up now

They play really aggressive

[ocean aurora]

You was right #clips message

It was hard asf but playing passive is your only chance to win

[drowsy idol]

that damage and ko difference

[ocean aurora]

Gotta go above and beyond to win these match ups

[drowsy idol]

gonna see if the Steven from yesterday joins this custom

[drowsy idol]

forgot to save the last match

[drowsy idol]

can you dm rq?

[ocean aurora]

Ok

[ocean aurora]

Doesn’t work

It won’t let me dm

[drowsy idol]

try now

[twilit scroll]

does Big Bomb just not do anything lol?

[brazen rivet]

It kills super early and has a pretty big aoe, just very situational and more of a 2s perk

Like max radius scaling it kills most of the cast at like 70%

[twilit scroll]

i was testing it out in training mode and the radius wasnt getting much bigger like at all

not sure if thats just me

[surreal bronze]

Think I am going to take a little break on Beetlejuice. go back to Smith or try another char. Been a tough day of playing him

[ocean aurora]

Why are you quitting huh

Beetle juice can do anything 😁

[surreal bronze]

🤣 not quitting playing him but a break. Feels like I am doing worse with him before the start of new season. He just not clicking for me so a change of pace might help.

[ocean aurora]

I got beetlejuice to diamond 🙌

[brazen rivet]

Nice! I doubt I'm going that far in 1s lol

Wonder Woman literally wins by default and I run into way too many to bother trying

[neon sun]

Got beet to Diamond last season in 1’s and I just stopped. I needed a break from having to actually use my brain compared to other characters.

[ocean aurora]

Y’all should use the shock perk when running angry bugs, I got it from horrorbone 💪.

It basically auto target the enemy and you don’t even need to hit them. You can you it as a combo breaker too #clips message

[ocean aurora]

Yea I struggled so much getting out of plat1 . If I literally can’t win diamond lobbies imma just play a high tier to get masters

[neon sun]

Yo horrorbone you the same guy that played PSAS? Just wondering.

[neon sun]

Yeah man I’m just tired of facing Batman, tnj, Morty, and agent smith. Oh, can’t forget Arya.

[ocean aurora]

Im not sure

He’s that one dude that got masters with beetlejuice

[ocean aurora]

Agent smith is so annoying

[neon sun]

The names familiar from back in the all stars days, I spent countless years on the game so I just wanted to know.

[ocean aurora]

What is PSAS

[neon sun]

Agent smith is just.. Why did we buff his jab and combo routes? World will never know

[ocean aurora]

I don’t think I played it

[neon sun]

PlayStation All Stars.

[ocean aurora]

Ohhh

[ocean aurora]

It’s so dumb and dodge range is annoying too

Even in burnout

[neon sun]

I high key think agents a top 5 contender but that’s just my bias

I think the character is nuts

[ocean aurora]

With agent smith I play hella passive

I don’t see beetlejuice winning him in neutral

[neon sun]

This game is hella passive lol.

[ocean aurora]

Gotta win somehow 😼

[neon sun]

The way I play beetle juice in the agent smith MU is literally baiting with aerial side special cause idk what else to do. I can’t reach him with anything else lol

[ocean aurora]

I only play passive if I got a losing match up and that’s how I have to win. Or if my opponent plays passive

[ocean aurora]

Yea agent smith outranges us

[neon sun]

I only play passive considering on the character im playing. I’ve been enjoying Velma and stripe lately.

[ocean aurora]

This is how passive I’m willing to play 😔 #videogames message

[neon sun]

I understand man, we kinda have to vs that guy agent smith 😂

[ocean aurora]

Ive been cheesed by that gun so many times…

[neon sun]

Guns hitbox makes zero sense, then again a lot of the hitboxes In this game don’t. You got beetles jab missing people point blank literally in his jab.

[drowsy idol]

yeah ^^

[neon sun]

I figured, I was Low-Tier-Fraud. Small world lol.

[drowsy idol]

Oh I remember, your Isaac was crazy ^! Nice to see some psas players in here

[chrome jay]

Whats his best playstyle to begin with ? People said rush down but I feel like he's a Heavy punisher

[ocean oriole]

what mode? I play him a lot but only in 2s, so I can't speak to 1s

[chrome jay]

Either or just a good playstyle to use like Rush down,Punisher, Distance, etc

[ocean oriole]

I mean I try to play kinda patient with him... like I don't really rush, but I'm pressuring somehow... in 2s I try to stay near my teammate so that I can continually trigger the "Juice is loose"... also BJ has a lot of chargeable moves that can punish people trying to punish your teammate if you kinda stay behind them

[chrome jay]

Ahh

Alright

I've been starting to play him as a Heavy punisher

[ocean oriole]

you can be fairly relentless if you're bouncing them off terrain, or they aren't respecting the distance some of your attacks have

Like people usually underestimate how far the side special takes you (sweet spot at the end) and how far your neutral hammer charge hits... they also usually don't respect bomb or the beetle toss... It's kinda like because he's not top tier people won't respect the danger levels of certain kill moves for him

I always keep his neutral special charged as full as possible

Even the hitbox for his grounded up normal is bigger or hits more forward than a lot of players realize

[ocean oriole]

Definitely good at punishing... if you can't ladder well you can still get kills by just baiting them out and out-spacing them (which is kinda true for any character)... let em walk into the range of something that isn't jab so you can take priority away

[chrome jay]

Ahh gotcha thanks so much

[ocean oriole]

all of that goes better in 2s imo... I get roughly a quarter of my kills from triggering the "juice is loose" which isn't an option in 1s

[chrome jay]

Understandable I made up a stupid D-air set up where you stun with Scream into the Down air attack off stage it's so satisfying to land

[ocean aurora]

I switch playstyles depending on my opponent character or if I’m about to lose

I normally play patient with him, trying to get punishes for high damage jab combos.

Especially if you’re playing against agent smith ww Steven you have to play passive in order to win

But characters that are made for passive play I like to go aggressive. For example a reindog Marvin and Morty

[thin oar]

beetlejuice batman variant is labeled as mage

he might be getting reclassified

[cloud lake]

no PFG are jus stupid

how is BJ a mage

[thin oar]

i see it

both his down specials

[cloud lake]

he has like 2 projectiles

[thin oar]

his beetle

[cloud lake]

down special doesnt count, thats a melee attack thats coded as a projectile

[thin oar]

if they give us a third beetle i wouldn’t mind lol

[neon sun]

Or they should let us throw the bomb. That would by my only wish of a change.

[ocean aurora]

Broken

[neon sun]

BJ needs something other than beetle. My head hurts tryna walk in on certain MU’s lol.

As beetle players, what’s everyone’s most hated MU’s so far? Mine has got to be Morty and TnJ, slight agent hate in there as well.

[ocean aurora]

Mine is Steven

I haven’t gone against many tnj players as beetle but with Morty I mostly use dash attack on grenades

Morty has a hard time killing without use side special or his grenades so the thing you gotta watch out for it his side special

[ocean aurora]

But being able to throw bombs is strong as hell, it promotes heavy passive play.

Beetle cooldown and bomb cooldown isn’t that long, you could spam these so much.

[sullen shoal]

Arya, she's too fast to keep up with

[neon sun]

No he doesn’t 😂 I’ve faced some top Morty’s and dash attack is too laggy to use consistently in that MU for me. Also idk, I guess I’m a tnj magnet cause I play so many and its aids everytime.

[neon sun]

I didn’t even count Arya, she’s in a tier of her own. The fact she’s still able to get away with what she does is tragic. I shouldn’t be losing my stock off 1 dodge read at 0.

[low dagger]

I would just say batman because of how absolutely disgusting that character is in general right now
But fighting morty and Steven are specifically annoying with how passive they are and how easily they can just destroy beetles
Then again I've only started playing this character since coming back in season 3 considering I barely played season 2 so maybe I'm missing something

[drowsy idol]

TnJ for sure

[ocean aurora]

The only issue I have with dash attack is that the endlag is too long even if you destroy the grenade

But other than that I don’t have any other problems using it

[neon sun]

Only time dash attack is great is when you read them throwing the grenade point blank, other than that Morty is Zoning me tf out with dirt, fair, jab. Don’t forget the obnoxious neutral special into dirt confirm. Also, air dashing Morty fair, literally destroys beetles options completely, it’s just such an obnoxious MU for me personally.

[low dagger]

Morty is just obnoxious in general

[neon sun]

I don’t get why people were saying he was destroyed like what, the beginning of season 2? Morty’s gross. Morty and TnJ just personally grind my gears lol. That’s not even with beetle, that’s just in general.

But it sucks beetle literally can’t do poop vs them, at least for me. Maybe you guys are better in the MU

[low dagger]

I barely kept up with the game during season 2 but I swear morty was basically top tier and all I've seen is buffs

[neon sun]

He got a grenade nerf with dirt and people were crying

[low dagger]

Hes just so annoying playing super passive and just oh I got hit by dirt at like 90 I guess I'm dead at mid stage because it has 30 years of hitstun

[neon sun]

Don’t forget all his moves cancel / combo into upair lol.

I’m bout to just pick up Morty at this point lol.

[low dagger]

I like playing a good variety of characters
I've gone from reindog to stripe to marvin

And I tried morty

[neon sun]

That’s crazy, I also play all those characters lmao

[low dagger]

I hated it
It's so BORING just waiting

[neon sun]

Stripe is probably the most I’ll do for a good tiered character

[low dagger]

I mean reindog is pretty solid

Marvin is just

Sad

[neon sun]

I play BJ, stripe, Marvin, Velma, and rein

[low dagger]

Mid tier character and they just wanna nerf him for some reason

[neon sun]

Rein is solid now.

I can say Marvin is definitely better with the more available combo routes he has now with button.

I do miss the loop though but we did need that tech buff cause some of these characters were outrageous superman

[drowsy idol]

kinda feel like bj v morty is close to even

[neon sun]

Think imma eat and get on some multi, I’ve been binging one piece for a while now.

[neon sun]

I will say once you’re inside it does feel good, it’s just so hard to do so sometimes. Morty just be zoomin

[low dagger]

I do wanna try him now he has them again
I sadly got into marvin when they toned the loops down

For now I just wanna focus on getting solid at BJ

[neon sun]

You can still do them, just gotta read the roll.

[ocean aurora]

Yea for me it’s also a 0 matchup

I don’t feel like both bj and Morty have any huge disadvantages in that fight

[neon sun]

Maybe I’m butt then. 😂

[late ibex]

tryna learn BJ but im a marvin one trick

[ocean aurora]

Drop marvin and come to the juicy side

[late ibex]

nah marvin been too fun

might start learning BJ properly

but i can never drop marvin

[thin oar]

beetlejuice matador is discounted at 1600

[surreal bronze]

oh no I starting to fight batman in rank now. yeah it has not been going well.

[surreal bronze]

any ghost with the most here or are we just dead and buried

[surreal bronze]

holy crap I did not know wonder women had perk that deletes projectiles. the shield of Athena I was so confuse when my beetle and worm was disappearing from her dodging.

[low dagger]

All I've fought today are batman and morty so yea I might as well be dead

[surreal bronze]

yea that was me yesterday. my win rank with him this season 30%. getting wrecked right now

[low dagger]

I was annoyed at first when I was losing a bunch with BJ
But now that I feel I've got a better grasp on him whenever I see someone like batman or morty (which is about 70% of the time) I cant even be mad

I just kinda accept that I'm probably gonna lose regardless of how I play

[shy hound]

They should nerfed the signature perk, they should nerfed the signature perk. They should nerfed the signature perk.

Jab, doesn't, have, followups.

Aaaaaaaa

They lied to us in the into the verse.

I'm going crazy, I don't have a kill confirm with Beetlejuice, im mentally insane.

I don't even use that darn signature perk is pretty bad why pfg didn't nerf the signature, why the poor innocent jab was hurt that bad

I need, jab, followups.

[rough tundra]

Skill issue

Just joking

They should have buffed BJ

[ocean oriole]

sometimes you can jab jab into down tilt into jab jab again but other than that and vertical laddering I'm not much of a combo artist with BJ... I do get a lot of kills with him though, most of his moves kill at high percentages... I really enjoy him in 2s

[rough tundra]

Idk why they didnt buff him at all

[ocean oriole]

Yea I think he either needs a little love or other top tiers need to be brought in line a bit... not nerfs necessarily but tweaks lol... I think almost everyone is in agreement Batman is a little too strong right now. I personally don't really enjoy fighting him or BG or Smith... but I'm not sure BG is too good, just kinda annoying because of the range on his spear

[shy hound]

The only followups of 2nd jab are down, up and up special. This last one a little bit inconsistently.

I don't know what happened in the mind of devs nerfing the jab instead of the signature.

We couldn't even test followups like neutral attack or side special

The hitstun nerf was to much, the loop was op but all was fault of the signature.

[ocean aurora]

Stun users are always at fault

This is why I don’t like em 🙅‍♂️🙅‍♂️

[shy hound]

Is not even that good without the jab, the signature sucks a lot.

That's why I prefer doing setups with beetles.

Is less braindead.

[ocean aurora]

Nah it’s good that you can’t combo into stun

That would be op

[ocean oriole]

I really don't like the stun one mostly because in 2s it's one of my main kill moves... It's the whole point of the juice getting loose

[cloud lake]

wasnt it an infinite at launch

[ocean oriole]

I just use angry bugs with flammable doc or 5% with snowball and call it a day

[ocean oriole]

Think so?

[shy hound]

It was an infinite, but instead of nerfing the signature pfg nerfed Beetlejuice jab. Which remove completely more than half of the followups.

[ocean oriole]

I haven't seen the most recent patch notes yet... they never seem to go up in here

I agree his jab didn't need nerfing tho

he doesn't have that good of a jab to begin with... it's just okay

[ocean aurora]

I use
Angry bugs
Flammmable
100% weakened
Projectile shock

[shy hound]

General

• Dodge attacks now more reliably give full movement momentum
  Ground Side Attack 1

• On-whiff cancel window buffer delayed 6 frames later to make it less likely that Ground Side Attack 2 executes unintentionally
  Ground Up Attack
  ~ Visuals now better match hitbox
  Ground Down Attack

• Movement increased 25%
  ~ Knockback angle made more downward to allow ground bounces
  Air Neutral Attack
• On-hit cancel window advanced 1 frame
• Now maintains more momentum during attack start-up
  Air Side Attack
• Now maintains more momentum during attack start-up
  – Now maintains less momentum in the direction opposite Beetlejuice’s facing during the attack
  Air Up Attack

• Now maintains less momentum when executed after dodging off of a platform ledge to prevent a bug that was causing unintentional “extreme” travel speed (It’s still fast)
  Air Down Attack

• Now maintains more momentum during attack start-up

That's all

[ocean aurora]

I mean they always nerf the other moves other than stun

Same with PPG

[surreal bronze]

I tried using shock for a bit but did not find it that useful. so went back to Pugilist

[ocean aurora]

Instead of nerfing the bubbles stun they nerf nair so you can only follow up with one move

[ocean aurora]

With shock they auto lock your opponent. You can also use it as a combo breaker #clips message

[ocean oriole]

Interesting... I actually wouldn't mind what they did to the jab if it was instead for the third hit, so it was easier to not accidentally just finish the jab string lol

like make it easier to cancel after the second hit as opposed to the first

[surreal bronze]

hmm I could maybe see that being useful for edge guarding. I tend to hit people a lot with beetle when they are off stage.

[ocean oriole]

I use static with marvin, never tried it with BJ... I'll prolly try it out just for fun tho

[ocean aurora]

I only use it for more damage

Jab - upspecial beetle will follow guaranteed

And then because shock last for so long you can pull out another beetle and it will still target them without a hit

[shy hound]

I never fully understand how static exactly works

[ocean oriole]

Pretty much do what you normally do but try to walk on the ground as much as possible so you can trigger the effect... it's just not worth it if you're forgetting to trigger it or don't throw out enough projectiles

[shy hound]

but what the status do

[ocean oriole]

@shy hound
It applies Shocked: "Accrue Damage over time and Damage allies that come into contact. Effect can be Stacked to extend duration."

there may be unlisted mechanical nuances to how it interacts with things tho

Basically if you continually apply this and trigger flammable doc, igniting them, you're just gonna be laying on tons of passive damage

[shy hound]

So basically if you hit someone while is shocked the damage will be also passed to its Ally?

[ocean oriole]

I think it's like if you shock them and they pass by their ally they also take damage

like the damage over time effect hurts any allies standing near them

[low dagger]

the condition to activate the perk always turned me away from trying it

its 4 seconds on the ground right?

[ocean oriole]

yea which sounds kinda long but it happens more than you'ld think, especially if you can purposefully keep it in mind

[low dagger]

hmm

could always make a second loadout
at least soon because seriously locking 3 loadouts behind levels that start taking a good amount of time to unlock is stupid

[ocean oriole]

like think about when you're edgegaurding, there are a lot of times where you are sorta dancing back and forth waiting for their approach and they have to either come up immediately or you can apply static while waiting

so even if you're not using it, if they are good players and understand what's going on it applies pressure in situations like that

definitely a little niche tho, not the strongest perk ever or anything

[shy hound]

Ok I tested

Is 7 damage

[low dagger]

true

there is a lot of time i spend just sat there especially if i can just keep placing bombs at the edge

[ocean oriole]

yea and while you're doing that you're applying static to your beetle (not sure if it counts for the worm?)

[low dagger]

ill think about it
i feel like pugilist is just always the best general choice but i like having more specific choices per character

[ocean oriole]

for sure

I kinda just throw it on for fun when I'm bored of playing the same stuff over and over

[low dagger]

fair

perk variety is non existent

even with the new ones they just added

[shy hound]

This perk applies 7 damage over time.

Meh

[ocean oriole]

Yea there's not much I complain about when it comes to a free game but I do wish the perks were a little more interesting/varied

Everyone uses the same ones almost all the time

[low dagger]

might as well have it there as a second loadout choice

maybe some match ups or players give you more oppotunities to land projectiles instead of getting melee hits

[ocean oriole]

for sure... yea can't wait until I have 3 loadouts for BJ lol so I can put armor killer on one

[low dagger]

literally like

would i rather do 1 extra damage when they hit a surface

or just do

more damage in general with snowball

or flammable

[ocean oriole]

I will say with all the extra ground bouncing happening that one is maybe viable now

that extra 1 damage sounds bad but if you're reliably ground bouncing enemies a lot it prolly stacks up

on some levels more than others

[low dagger]

i mean im sure it could add up in a vacuum

but when its competing with other perks that also add damage

more reliably and also add more damage than just 1

[ocean oriole]

Oh yea, like does pugilist beat it out passively? yea hard to beat things that don't require thought

[low dagger]

and its multiversus

less thought = good

[ocean oriole]

Yea that's the real problem is it's not that the other perks don't work, it's just that you have to make them work... so you can either use the perks that require no thought or have to actively adapt your playstyle to "make" the perks you're using work

[low dagger]

yea i remember when i played stripe and i had a loadout with the dash attack armour break perk

and i basically only had it to fight bugs safe because stripe has no good armour break

but i cant think of any other examples of anything like that

[ocean oriole]

depending on the matchup I think Armor Killer is clutch and doesn't require much thought while playing, but it's not often enough to warrant my using in my first two loadouts... I just add it onto the third once I unlock that slot for a character

[low dagger]

Tried using it a little bit

I can see the appeal
When I have gotten it to work well I've seen the damage rack up

The 4 second requirement still bugs me though

Cool idea though I'll keep it in a loadout

Absolutely slept on flammable though

I didn't even realise that the fire damage would Count towards angry bugs attacking so it would actually break combos

[neon sun]

Jab jab up tilt is his easiest one lol

[ocean aurora]

Yea the damage is not the reason I’m picking this perk

It’s just that it works really well with beetle

If they have the static effect on them you can throw 2 beetles out and it will target them

[neon sun]

Can’t get into it, imma stick with pugilist.

[ocean aurora]

I sometimes use static on bomb

[neon sun]

I be moving around too much to just be on the ground lol.

[ocean aurora]

It really depends how much you stay on the ground ngl

I spend a lot of time grounded

[neon sun]

In ones for sure I may give it a shot again

But I’ve been mainly playing 2’s. Almost got dookie beetle masters.

[ocean aurora]

When you do jab jab uptilt and your opponent doesn’t die at 130:

[ocean aurora]

Im only gold 1 in 2s

Still diamond in 1s tho, I really need to grind this season

[brazen rivet]

2s is definitely more manageable imo

He actually has some good enough utility a lot of the time

As long as you have a teammate that can take aggro off you

[neon sun]

1’s makes my head hurt.