Jason

[marble ravine]

guys what do you even do against smith? he has no recovery frames and infinite range jabs

[unique pewter]

I do my best lol… I think he’s one of my least fave characters to face off against (whether I’m Jason or not) since like right before Nubia dropped… he’s been feeling strong for a minute now

[marble ravine]

frfr

[west cedar]

I dont like fighting smith with any character either

dude is scary

[dry slate]

Pray

[halcyon badger]

Funny cause I rmr saying smith was a horrible matchup but someone said 🤓 actually it’s about the knowledge

Yeah knowledge ain’t gone help u against a character with amazing dodge space

[median geyser]

The problem with Smith are these obv

His recoveries are damn ridiculous

& majority of his moves are fast as heck

[devout burrow]

smith is super weird for jason

but not like

a bad matchup

it's just obnoxious

[west cedar]

How do we do against the banana

[fading hare]

Not good

We be put in the blender

[bleak cosmos]

Only real option is to parry tbh

They usually spam the same safe moves. Side special or dodge jab

Sometimes they’ll do a sliding dash but that has endlag you can punish

His side special always puts him out of attack range for me so can’t really punish it. And approach after a whiffed jab is dangerous since jab 2 is so quick

[dark sapphire]

Quick question do you know what frame parry is active on? I’ve been trying to master it but it doesn’t make sense to me

[minor radish]

Continuing the trend of having almost all variants of Jason

Even if I'm terrible as Jason lol

I just like him because he's probably one of the coolest characters in the game

[halcyon badger]

3-4 I heard jason has a slower active window

[halcyon badger]

^

[dry slate]

Jason's parry is weird, since his animation makes him back up, making parrying from the front kinda weird

Even then, the window is just really tight ever since they nerfed parrying

[median geyser]

He's a very bad matchup

No doubt man... Smith is a nightmare to go against

[tacit pivot]

What's the next Jason movie skin they should put in this game in all of your opinions?

[knotty sage]

Part 2

[tacit pivot]

🔥🔥🔥

[west cedar]

burlap sack is the obvious one

im partial to the FvJ desgin myself

[tiny cave]

Part 2

And then roy burns

[tacit pivot]

I wish we could get that hellish looking Jason from the game

[tiny cave]

Savini

[tacit pivot]

That one!

[minor radish]

Not a movie skin but I'm dying for retro Jason from the NES game

[rugged cradle]

I don't understand, what the events skins elusive mean?

[minor radish]

It means you can't get them ever again after this event ends

Which I hope PFG strongly reconsiders

[rugged cradle]

But I just can get 1 dude, why.

[minor radish]

Considering we can't afford to get more than two or so coins I'd guess

[rugged cradle]

3000 glemium for a skin that's nuts

[halcyon badger]

I love how everyone got a dope skin then we got that worst skin😭

[knotty sage]

Finn Jason is peak wdym

[queen juniper]

Real Jason players like the Finn skin 🗿

[visual arrow]

Is anyone else having down air issues for it just not hitting people or am I going nutty

[tiny cave]

They broke jason dair in the rework

[visual arrow]

yeh its rteally really starting to piss me off

[minor radish]

What are you talking about, that's Finn.

[vague belfry]

After bubblegum rejected him for the last time, Finn instead put his passion into not girls, but GAINS

[minor radish]

Finn got into a weird phase when he got the Pamela """Sword"""

[vague belfry]

What if Jason's sleeping bag is actually just Jake but forcibly morphed

[minor radish]

Call that nonsense "the Jake Suit"

[feral cargo]

yes it doesn't hit anything most of the time

[queen juniper]

Jason dair essentially a cosmetic like an emote smh

[minor radish]

Just like banana guards crying move

[scenic lagoon]

Dair just comes out way faster now and as such will not last as long as the animations plays 😭

[visual arrow]

ahem #clips for dair annoyance

it is inconceivable how often that just happens too

[rugged cradle]

I never expected multiversus to do FOMO, now I'm depressed.

[valid glen]

who's hating on the Jason Finn skin

[visual arrow]

not me

skin is fire

[fickle ledge]

You must be new here.

They've been doing it for 3 seasons by now.

[tiny cave]

Season 2 didnt had fomo

Only matrix smith

[fickle ledge]

Fr?

So how do I get the ranked jack skins post S2?

Do I get all the previous ranked skins for getting masters in S3?

[minor radish]

FOMO here would be Alpha/Beta exclusive things like the Fred Style icon and the Founder items, and the ranked skins. And recently, alter ego costumes, for some reason

[fickle ledge]

Dang.

[minor radish]

You can't get the previous seasons things

I haven't gotten any of them because I don't care enough about the characters

Well let me rephrase that

They're good characters but I don't think I'd be willing to grind ranked mode to get slight recolors of characters lol

And characters that I don't even play

[tiny cave]

Thats not fomo

They are not paid skins

You have to be masters

[fickle ledge]

What does fomo stand for again?
Or is it not an abbreviation?

[tiny cave]

Like the halloween elusive skins

Exclusive paid skins

For limited time

You have like more than 2 months to get master in a season

[knotty sage]

Fear Of Missing Out

[fickle ledge]

So why does money need to be involved?
I assume have exclusive skins you need to grind for before they're gone would use fear of missing out to get you to play.
At least I wouldn't have grinded ranked if I could get them later.

[knotty sage]

bc its usually used to "force" people to spend money

and free fomo is significantly better than paid fomo

[fickle ledge]

I see.

Makes sense.

[rugged cradle]

Yeah but those skins are simple recolors.

[minor radish]

It is probably impossible to grind that much in hopes of getting Gleamium from the battlepass infinite reward

You have to spend a lot of real life money in hopes of getting more than 1 elusive skin

[queen juniper]

People learning that game companies use capitalistic tactics to nickel and dime them

[young bay]

Jason Moveset Tierlist from the #1 Jason @warm reef

Moveset Tierlist:

#clips message

[minor radish]

I really don't care for DC, but...

[west cedar]

this reminds me that I don't use dtilt and uptilt as much as I should be using

[tiny cave]

Down air special is too low imo

Should be on good or great

[minor radish]

I get a power-trip when down air special connects

[azure pond]

Does anyone else feel that down air whiffs since the changes???

[unique pewter]

Yea I think it's been mentioned a few times in here... I believe the general idea is that it comes out quicker but because of that isn't quite active for the entire animation? Not sure if that's an accurate description of the problem though... but yes it feels harder to land in general

[azure pond]

It seems to not be active as long and just whiffs. I have had interactions where it should have been a trade, but the hitbox just whiffs and I get hit by something else. Down air didnt need to be touched IMO. It had a reliable hitbox but now its just janky and inconsistant.

[wide shale]

yes, he lost the first active frame when they sped dair up, which means it cant hit horizontally AT ALL, the first active hitbox is when his fist is already straight below him

[unique pewter]

Yea it’s no longer good for approach womp womp

[azure pond]

It just feels like garbage. Meanwhile agent smith and ppg hit it for free.

[median geyser]

Sleeping Bag has a small bug

If you caught an opponent & it got interrupted immediately after that, the camera zoomed in

Till the opponent had to be knock out

[wooden stirrup]

How to beat Superman 1v1 I feel like im a huge hitbox and i hate his grabs so much

as Jason specifically ofc

[dry slate]

Happens with any sort of grappling move that works the same (Jake bite is one affected by this too)

[median geyser]

Interesting...

[median geyser]

Honestly parry...

Coz like...

Some of his grabs can be reactable...

Plus Superman has some very fast moves & he's probably a bad matchup for Jason obv

[warm reef]

Only good against people who aren’t ready for it

Kinda situational

Still good

But situational

It doesn’t land that much but when it does

It’s decent

Helps with combos

[dry slate]

Proper spacing with air down special too. If you're too close and they're too low of a percent, that second hit isn't connecting and you'll be vulnerable

[twilit bramble]

Bro shaped like 🍞

[dire violet]

Please just fix Jason's down air I'm beggin' ya 🙏

[sturdy wind]

Give Jason armor on all of his charged attacks please

Turn him into Superman

What perks do y’all use with Jason?

[tiny cave]

5%

Snowball

Airwalker

And pugilist

[sturdy wind]

Makes sense

Doubt he can make use of speed force anyway

How do y’all use air walker with him tho

Haven’t really used it much

[tiny cave]

Charge rage offstage

And jab jab tp

Airwalker up special

[halcyon badger]

My Jason cooking

Can’t wait for shields

[lean storm]

Why tf is jab + jab + neutral true after 90

Getting combos and a kill move at the same Patch is diabolical

[tiny cave]

Is not true

Only on specific characters

[lean storm]

On jack*

Still

Its true on jack

[tiny cave]

If hes on ur face yeah

Depends on the distance

If he hits the 2 jabs from far away

It wont be true

He has to be 1mm away from you

To hit that

[lean storm]

[queen juniper]

[devout burrow]

it's super awkward

almost never works near ledge

which is the one place you would want it to be consistent

[dry slate]

You're complaining that the heavy tank kills at 90?

[queen juniper]

“But Jack is so weak and needs buffs” kekw kappa

[lean storm]

Nah honestly im not really that much against it but its weird how it Hits while your floating on the ledge

[lean storm]

I actually think hes pretty good against heavy chars like Jason, my only problem is against light chars cause chain attacks are impossible against them so youre only going around hitting one or two attacks and getting comboed like hell instead

Only buff Jack needs is to decrease di on uptilt and make the hitbox a bit bigger so it actually would hit someone like harley

[scenic lagoon]

Ok but also give it some whiff

Cause damn that move is barely punishable

[queen juniper]

[trail flicker]

Ive never seen a character with more BS hitboxes than Jason

#clips message

[tiny cave]

Agree

But thered like another 30 characters with the same issue

But for some reason

Jasons nair phase through people if you actually hit them with the axe

[low flax]

Can jason get one quick move

he needs some sort of get off me attack

cuz lord when and assassin gets on me it feels like im stuck until they are finish playing the game.

[neon spire]

PFG pls
Buff the buffness of Jason, give him more muscle 💪
He's been a good boy 😇

[lean storm]

Nair special works really well against jack

I usually have to play semi passive against Jason cause he can somehow use nair special before my followup attack

And the hitbox is also massive

[low flax]

The grab?

[feral cargo]

Yes

[feral cargo]

Aigis gg if you're here that was fun

[halcyon badger]

AigisTV? @feral cargo

[feral cargo]

Yee

[halcyon badger]

Played him two days ago I think he used Finn

[feral cargo]

He wasn't streaming so I couldn't say it in chat but since he was Jason I figured he'd be here.

Got 1 win off of him out of the 14 matches.

[carmine dirge]

Yo Jason mains do yall accept Jason players who use 5%?

[knotty sage]

as long as it isnt ressurectionist

[queen juniper]

I don’t trust any other Jasons that don’t use well rounded instead of either sig perk

[scenic lagoon]

This

[tiny cave]

We dont accept any other perk

[gritty hemlock]

I only ever change stuff up when I'm being silly or trying to get some kind of setup.

[gray gale]

I want that emote

[queen juniper]

Them changing movement speeds, hit/hurtboxes and frame data just might make Jason decent

Prayge

[minor radish]

Still no get off of me attack sadly

[queen juniper]

As for a “burst” mechanic a la guilty gear, I doubt MVS will ever implement something like that

Pfg is much more of the mindset “just don’t get hit. E Z”

[tiny cave]

NEW EMOTE

[tiny cave]

Tbf a burst would make jason broken

Hes the kind of character that can get a lot of damage but one single error from oponent can get them 5 meters underground

[queen juniper]

Jason is Potemkin 🗿

IG is the only character (currently) with burst and its stupid annoying

Jason with RC’s tho…. Would be crazy

[river delta]

That new Jason emote is so good lmao. Didn't think we'd get a new emote almost as good as Moonwalking

[dire violet]

I guess Bugs' helicopter ears have armor break... darn rascally rabbit

[gray gale]

I don't think they do

It's just that they multi-hit

[dire violet]

That doesn't matter to Jason's rage armor, it takes multiple hits until grey health is depleted. But it seems to get broken in one hit by Bugs' helicopter ears which means it has armor break, because it's definitely not doing enough damage to break it in one hit.

[tiny cave]

Yeah

It is

an armor breaker

[gray gale]

Bugs Bunny priviledge, I guess

[atomic cedar]

did they kill jason

[knotty sage]

Jason

Ground Neutral Attack
    – Hitbox active duration reduced 4 frames
Ground Side Attack 1
    – Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Jason
Ground Side Attack 2
    – Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Jason
Air Neutral Attack
    ~ Hitbox size adjusted to better match visuals
    ~ Now limits fall speed during attack recovery
Air Side Attack
    – Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Jason
Air Up Attack
    ~ Hitbox size adjusted to better match visuals
    ~ Now limits fall speed during attack recovery
Ground Neutral Special
    * Fixed an issue where certain grab attacks would not properly break Jason’s gray health armor
Air Neutral Special
    ~ Hitbox size adjusted to better match visuals

[gray gale]

eeeeesh

we got hit

[rugged cradle]

Not gonna lie, it's deserved.

For good players nothing changes.

[dire violet]

'Tis but a scratch.

[dire violet]

This patch already fixed this

"Ground Side Attack 2 - Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Jason"
Okay, but can you make it more likely to hit in-front? I've had that sucker whiff on someone right next to me

[queen juniper]

They nerfed Jason’s trash af hitboxes….. pfg is so inept it’s unreal

[dire violet]

NAir hitbox is probably better

[queen juniper]

Doubt it. Pfg can’t be trusted to do anything decently

Considering no mention in patch notes of fixing his broken dair

[dire violet]

Yeah that sucks that move is cheeks

[neon spire]

lol, they didn't fix his air down hitbox

[dry sinew]

I cant believe they nerfed Jason.

How depressing.

[west cedar]

😔

[tiny cave]

he got buffed

they only made hitbox changes

and buffed bed

and up air

[dry sinew]

I don't see any buffs to bed

[wide shale]

-4 active frames on the neutral attack sounds like a nerf to me

guessing he lost his super whole body hitbox after the axe had slammed

hopefully they made upair bigger, it was tiny before and only lasted 2 frames per stab

no clue what they did to nair

[tiny cave]

up air got nerfed

and bed has more knockback

also nair hitbox feels more accurate

my axe is not phasing through people heads

[dry sinew]

Undocumented? I don't see it in the patch notes. 🤔

[dire violet]

I was hopeful NAir would be better but it still whiffs the same way as before like there's no hitbox interpolation.

[minor radish]

Is his machete still considered a part of his hurtbox

[odd oyster]

If your talking about on attacks that's not the machete that's his hand

[unique pewter]

I think they’re referring to the fact that his machete is not disjointed in his jab string… or at least it wasn’t before… I haven’t played him since the patch/new season

[dry slate]

His hurtbox was kept the same, so people can still technically hit the machete to hit him

[unique pewter]

Bummer

[minor radish]

So much for 'box consistency

[rugged cradle]

I'm sure that good Jason players doesn't care of that, is a no intentional game feature that exists and shouldn't be there in the first place

But the nerf neutral was stupid.

[queen juniper]

What?

Idk what you’re trying to say

[tiny cave]

I dont care about that

What i do care

Is

That the new speed

Is way more rewarding for campers

Im struggling with campers more than ever

[halcyon badger]

When is the shield mechanic supposed to come out

[gray gale]

They never said it would.
They are going to keep moving forwards with it in labs and testing grounds but no word about it in the base game just yet.

[halcyon badger]

Ahhh okay

[neon spire]

Wow Jason is really good in Arena mode, you get 3-4 defense upgrades and then you're nearly unkillable as long as your teammate is not throwing.

[gray gale]

I seen that bro.
We still managed to take rounds off that team from Damage alone, but it's crazy hitting a Jason with a kill move at 200+ and still not getting it

[tiny cave]

Season 5 (maybe)

[minor radish]

I don't think anyone imagined Jason Voorhees squaring off with the Wicked Witch of the West

[viscid dragon]

I don’t think anyone imagined Jason Voorhees squaring off with the Powerpuff Girls

[dry slate]

I believe this patch concept for Jason Voorhees would deal with all his current issues as of right now:

+= Buff
-= Nerf
~= Change
*= Bugfix

General:
~Reworked Jason's current hurtboxes to accurately resemble his current model.
~Jason's passive now works on all instances of GRAY HEALTH instead of just his neutral special.

Ground Neutral Attack:
-Removed the hitboxes on the lower half of Jason's body.

Air Down Attack:
~Adjusted the hitboxes to better match his animation.

Ground Neutral Special (Rage Buff Charge Version):
+The armor given with Jason's neutral special will stay with him until the end of the next active hitbox. (Example, if he were to do Ground Neutral Attack, he would keep his armor until the first active hitboxes of the move go away)

Ground Neutral Special (Roar Version):
+The amount of time the opponent is stunned for is determined by the amount charged by Ground Neutral Special (10 to 20 GRAY HEALTH) and the opponents percent.

Air Neutral Special:
+Armor given 3 additional activation frames.

Air Down Special:
~Adjusted the launch angle of the first hit to be more horizontal to better lead into the second hit while also maintaining the ground bounce.

MONSTROUS SIDESTEP PERK:
~Reworked the move to be more of a mix-up tool. Tapping Side Special will now teleport you like normal and holding Side Special will allow you to teleport behind the opponent.

RESURRECTIONIST:
*Fixed an issue where RESURRECTIONIST would activate where the pre-patch blastzones were. Now, Jason (or his teammate) has to be fully within the blastzone to active.
+Jason will reappear with his max charged rage buff with 20 GRAY HEALTH. Teammates will spawn with 10 GRAY HEALTH only.
+RESURRECTIONIST lasts 2 seconds longer.
+Both Jason and his teammate in a 2v2 scenario are able to activate this perk one time for each. If both die at the same time or one teammate is already using RESURRECTIONIST, the other will die like normal and will be able to use RESURRECTIONIST on their next life.

[gray gale]

zzz

[dry slate]

Wakey wakey, it's time for schoo

[rough lynx]

I would love to see something like this, especially the resurrectionist changes

[west cloak]

I like all of this except the rage roar because that seems like it would actually be a nerf if someone hits you and you armor with rage into roar and then your stun time is shortened as a result. That and I don’t think the lower hurtbox removal on ground neutral attack is necessary

[dry slate]

1. It'll also be dependent with the opponents percentage just like other stun moves
2. There's no reason for his entire body to become a hitbox for a move. You can remove the hitboxes on his waist and legs when he's using his axe slam

Currently, you can mash out of roar stun at 100% just as fast as you'd mash out at 0%

[west cloak]

Wait did i misread that? Are you talking about ground neutral attack’s hitbox? And that it’s on Jason’s entire body instead of just on the axe? Or are you talking about Jason’s hurtbox?

[gray gale]

About the hurtbox

I'd IMAGINE

[scenic lagoon]

Hitbox

[dry slate]

Alyssanut, if you're here, GGs lol

[dry slate]

The hitbox. Jason's entire body becomes a hitbox for his axe slam when it doesn't need to be.

[west cloak]

Oh I see. Yeah, that makes sense then. I agree with that

[wide shale]

they removed 4 active frames from that attack so i imagine his mega whole-body hitbox is gone already

[dry slate]

You'd think so, but no. They left the hitbox alone, as suggested by lack of hitbox notes for that move in the patch notes.

"We looked through every single move in the game"

Ground Neutral Attack and Air Down Attack:

[feral cargo]

Was surprised down air didn't get changed because it ghost hits way more now

[dry slate]

They messed up it's hitbox after speeding it up and just said "yeah... that's fine"

[feral cargo]

If they're not legit at the tip of his fist below it feels like it doesn't hit at all now especially vs Harley

[wide shale]

there's a note about them removing 4 active frames from neutral attack, you dont need to modify the hitbox if you just remove the whole damn frame wher eit happens

[dry slate]

You can still hit from behind swinging the axe down, that's what I'm saying. The frame difference just made it so that the lingering axe wouldn't cheese at ledge anymore

[queen juniper]

Correct. 4 less frames of active

Also means 4 new frames to get hit on

And no frame changes to any of his attack recoveries smh

[dry sinew]

Yeah, man. Jason simply can't get any love. I'm still whiffing his DAir like crazy and losing most trades.

[lyric cairn]

The devs hate Jason

Barely test him

Like most of his hurtbox issues come from his oversized arms in neutral. Turning around while playing footsies is guarantee getting hit because it extends his hurtbox a lot. Ever notice how if you turn around you get hit by moves you didn’t think would connect? Or why some moves still hit him from behind?

[lyric cairn]

Yea I had same thoughts. Monstrous should go behind when you hold button. Ressurect should spawn full rage and 2 more seconds at most. It’s painfully obvious

Also his down air whiffs a lot and is slow. I miss rage teleport

You can tell the testers and cm only play zippier characters and have no clue how to play Jason.

[median geyser]

His spike is indeed slow

But Tom's spike is also slow but it's better... coz why? Better hitbox & better hurtbox

[median geyser]

They really don't even listen to our complaints in here & just go on with it, like when will Jason ever get fixed man?

His bed is also painfully weak for some reason... it doesn't even kill at 100% uncharged & plus has slow recoveries

[lyric cairn]

I posted a clip of his down air whiffing on Jack. Being slow is okay but it’s obviously got hitbox issues because it’s the move I whiff the most. His weapons lose trades to peoples punches. And he still gets no hurtbox adjustments and get hits from moves facing the other way. It’s like they test peoples broken hitboxes on small characters and don’t even try to test on Jason.

[median geyser]

I feel like being slow is also fine but the fact that his hurtbox is what hurts him while doing the spike...

Like if you see Tom & Bugs' spikes, they both are fairly slow but they're able to land hits with relative ease coz their hurtbox are small... & ofc the hitbox of Jason's spike need to be better

[tiny cave]

#off-topic message

Comparison between reworked dair

And old dair

[median geyser]

👌🏼

[old willow]

Jason power ✊🏽

[dry sinew]

Plus it's a disjointed

[spare sparrow]

I’m back after a while is Jason good we now?

[scenic lagoon]

Pumbafurry got second in tournament

With some of the best EU players

[unique pewter]

He’s nerfed from before, but some of the global changes to the game benefit him so I guess it’s not all bad… he’s always been decent in 2s and ffa imo… 1s is a struggle with faster more disjointed characters on the roster (again imo)

[rough lynx]

Short answer: No. long answer: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[median geyser]

Exactly

Tom is less vulnerable while using that move

[median geyser]

Man screw all Arya mains out there

[unique pewter]

was it ranked or something? I feel like I never see them anymore in the normal queues... can't remember the last time I faced one

[median geyser]

No it was casual & they played like they were in ranked...

https://youtu.be/rSSCFHLwqJY?feature=shared

Check this video of gameplay

Arya needs to be deleted immediately

[viscid dragon]

Yes 👍

[orchid egret]

why does every jason player gaslight themselves so hard lmao

[tiny cave]

My only problem as a jason player is dair

[median geyser]

My problems as Jason is his recoveries as well

[tiny cave]

Yeah that too

[median geyser]

Like you whiffed, you get punished

Other chrs don't easily

Especially why the hell do they nerf the bed so hard which I never understand

The bed isn't even that strong...

[west cloak]

Didn’t the best Jason say that Jason is S tier currently?

And honestly, when shields come into the game, Jason is absolutely going to be a top tier because of how many grabs he has and the fact that a shield will help his defense quite a lot

[median geyser]

We'll see

[median geyser]

Man is he able to beat the best Arya then?

[west cloak]

Being top tier doesn’t mean you don’t have losing matchups

[median geyser]

Bruh Jason is still a combo food no matter how you say it... it's unavoidable...

[west cloak]

I mean yeah

[median geyser]

Idk about shield gameplays but most chr might bait it out & whiff out Jason but again we'll see...

[west cloak]

Iron Giant was definitively top 1 at the beginning of MVS relaunch and he was also combo food

I’m just saying with all the buffs Jason has gotten, he’s definitely not low tier anymore

And from personal experience, he’s not nearly the pushover he was when he was first released

But like honestly, what are Jason’s losing matchups? Arya, Shaggy, Smith, T&J, and who else?

[median geyser]

I wouldn't count bug fixes as some buffs, it was nice changes but nah...

[median geyser]

Batman

Raven

[west cloak]

So Jason loses to like 5 maybe 6 characters, goes even with the majority of the cast, and then beats the low tiers

That sounds like a high tier to me

[median geyser]

You forgot about Morty

Jake as well

Harley

Joker

Reindog also cooked Jason

[west cloak]

Off memory, there was the nair buff (several times), neutral special armor, sleeping bag is usable, massive jab buffs

[west cloak]

I don’t think Jake beats Jason

It’s even

Harley yeah forgot about her. Jason definitely loses

Joker idk I haven’t seen Jokers for quite a while now

[median geyser]

Nair is a nice change... won't complain much
Command grab is also good but man... the armor comes out too slow & gets interrupted easily...
Sleeping Bag is usable? How's sleeping bag usable when you still can't combo into it? Especially in 1s...
Jab buffs are bug fixes ain't it?

[median geyser]

TF?

Jake is much stronger post-patch

Espeically he'd the belly thing & the spinning hammer follow up

[west cloak]

Oh I mean Jake nair is insane

And same with his uair

But like he only has like those two moves

[median geyser]

& it's much more difficult to approach him now

[median geyser]

Man his sair keep up with the mixups

Dude he can mix up in various ways

[west cloak]

His sair still sucks outside of edgeguarding

[median geyser]

But it keeps out distance & pressure...

[west cloak]

It’s just so weak

[median geyser]

Like I can't even approach without getting hit

[west cloak]

Unless it’s down angled

You can hit his hand

Like yes Jake got buffed and he’s not bottom 1 like people were saying

[median geyser]

His nair is enough to cook Jason to death already so it isn't surprising...

[west cloak]

But Jason has disjoints, rage gives him a free approach, and he kills mad early

[west cloak]

You need to get used to the spacing of nair and whiff punish

[median geyser]

Rage gives him approach, oh yeah getting punished for whiffing

[west cloak]

It’s weird to get used to

[west cloak]

Bruh don’t whiff. Wait for the Jake to whiff

And then hit him

[median geyser]

Jason doesn't kill mad easily & it's pure position & skill dependent

[west cloak]

Dude

Jason literally has the highest kill power in the game

[median geyser]

From what? From the dmg? That's what his slow attacks accomodate for

Finn is also a bad matchup for Jason... dude can combo, can move around & waiting to whiff...

[west cloak]

Even if you add Finn and Harley to Jason’s losing matchups, he still goes even with the majority of the cast

Like I don’t get why you think Jason needs to be the one who attacks first

Just do the same thing your opponents are doing

Wait for them to whiff and then punish them

Like yeah it’s easier to whiff punish Jason compared to like Smith

So stop mashing

[median geyser]

I got more bad matchups in my hands than average matchups in my hands so it isn't fun...

[west cloak]

Ngl I think you’re downplaying a bit

[median geyser]

& when I tried to parry, guess what, the action failed to do so...

[west cloak]

Parry sucks

Don’t ever do it

[median geyser]

So I've to wait for them to come to me?

[west cloak]

Yes

[median geyser]

& what if they'd the same thing? What are the options?

[west cloak]

Pretty much everyone outside of the top 100 will not lame you out and will approach

The only exception is Velma mains because they physically can’t approach

[median geyser]

I can tell Velma can be cowards most of the time

[west cloak]

Back when Finn had really easy zero to death combos from an infinite charge jab, he was one of Shaggy’s worst matchups. I was able to beat a handful of Finn players by literally platform camping to time

It’s incredibly boring

But it’s optimal

[west cloak]

She has the slowest frame data in the game. Even slower than Jason’s

[median geyser]

What?

[median geyser]

Sheesh that's nuts

[dry slate]

1. Our Hurtboxes are still oversized being based off his Beta Model and not his current model

2. Our Down Air hitbox is broken, phasing through people when it really shouldn't

3. He's one of the characters that actually has whiff on his moves when missing. Go to Wonder Woman jab whiffing than hitting and watch her whiffing animation play faster than her hitting animation. Play Garnet and you're actually playing a character with no whiff.

4. He has some of the crappiest, most situational personal perks in the game as well as having one of the worst in the game (Ressurectionist)

Even with all these problems, I firmly believe he is at the bottom of High Tier in 1s, yet it still kinda feels punishing when paired against someone with little to no whiff and armor breakers

[dry slate]

Marvin

[feral cargo]

when he works he feels like he could be a top tier but his faults are too big because of other characters having what they have or him being combo fodder.

[dry slate]

This exactly

[feral cargo]

that dair thing has been annoying me most and the whole not having disjoints

[hard mortar]

I’ve been a Jason Main since Season One and I need to know…

What are y’all’s favorite Jason skins?

[round hamlet]

Well I mean he has basically only 2 skins so

[scenic lagoon]

Command grab is insanely good and makes people have to dodge on time or disengage completely (Or have a good armor breaker during combo) and bag is useable since you can def combo into it

[river delta]

Basically all of them are good but personally I really like the galaxy skin

[hard mortar]

Cool, mine’s either Uber Jason or Dia de Los Muertos Jason

[median geyser]

It's definitely good but what sucks about it is the armor trade...

Like the armor comes out too slow & just as I successfully grab, I get interrupted

[feral cargo]

all of em, but Toon jason

[tiny cave]

I think its more

Harley

Joker

Jake

Raven

Smith

Arya

Lebron

Garnet

All the characters i just mentioned are -2

Except jake

I believe

[hard mortar]

Valid answer

[mossy fern]

Are you downplaying?
Short answer: yes
Long answear: yeeeeeeeeeees

[dry slate]

Are his hurtboxes still unfixed causing lack of disjoints, up air having characters falling out, down air phasing through opponents, and is still combo food because of his size?

Short answer: yes
Long answer: yeeeeeeeessssssss

"Quit downplaying your character" mfs when I show them this

#clips message

[mossy fern]

He is heavy
He hits hard
He has armor

He is not the best

But he is low S tier rn

[dry slate]

He's low high tier (A), not low top tier (S). Also, describing him as "heavy, hitting hard, and having armor" isn't the best way to call him OP. Superman and Wonder Woman has the same attributes but is better than Jason. Iron Giant has those same attributes, but has drastically been dragged down the tier list from Top 1 to like Low Mid Tier (B)

[mossy fern]

?

I didnt say hes op

I also said hes not the best

[dry slate]

You know what I mean

[mossy fern]

No i dont

Cuz he is really good rn

His grab is a insane move

He has pretty good kill options

[dry slate]

Low high tier at best

[mossy fern]

Low S tier

[dry slate]

That's top tier, not high tier. High tier is A

[mossy fern]

Downplay

[dry slate]

#clips message

Why do you think I put him in low high tier and not low top tier?

[mossy fern]

And?

That doesnt make him bad at all lol

[dry slate]

Down air phases through people, up air has people falling out and shouldn't be able to fastfall during it, his hurtboxes are still based off his beta model and not his current model which causes some of his moves to not be disjointed or even be rejointed in certain scenarios.

[mossy fern]

Most of these problems dont make him bad

[dry slate]

I'm not saying he's bad. I'm saying fix him before nerfing him

I know he needs some adjustments, but doing that BEFORE fixing him will just make him bad like Season 1

[tiny cave]

S tier is top 10 in the game

Hes tier A

Nobody said tier A was a bad tier

[dry slate]

Thank you

[west cloak]

S tier is like 12-15 characters and then Smith is the only S+ tier unless PPG still has the 0-60 combos from jab, then they’re still S+ tier too

[neon spire]

All characters except Reindog and my main are S tiers and need nerfs

[lyric cairn]

The best Jason’s hasn’t even won any tourney other than a 2s afaik. Plus I hear them complain about bad matchups all the time. DAIR whiffing so bad and terrible hurtbox I don’t think Jason is S tier at all.

Why do people think A tier isn’t high? He’s just definitely not S TIER. I think the best players are just that good with Jason and still get bodied by bad matchups. Because how can you always win again most the cast where when they miss they don’t miss because of how bad his hurtbox? You can be a better player and still lose. Because of how bad the hitbox/hurtboxes are.

[west cloak]

There’s 32 characters in the game now and like 25 of them are either S tier or A tier

There’s only a few bad characters and they’re not even that bad anymore

Except Velma in 1v1

[dry sinew]

If PFG properly fixed his hit/hurtboxes we wouldn't have to.

[west cloak]

At least Jason is actually getting interesting changes that make him more fun and viable

[dry sinew]

Definitely. The ground bounce changes to Neutral Air and Air Neutral Special are so good. Possibly my favorite changes to his kit.

[west cloak]

I wish they had the same foresight in making Shaggy interesting

He’s so bland now

I don’t even care if he’s good or not. He just feels like such a one trick and it’s so lame

[dry sinew]

He has always been bland. Shaggy is meant to be the "Mario" of this game. Covering all the fundamentals. My issue with Shaggy is that he's way too strong for being so easy to pick up. You can throw random Side Specials and kill characters at 80%.

[west cloak]

No no no, Mario is 10x more interesting than Shaggy currently

[dry sinew]

Oh, for sure

At least in Ultimate. In Smash 4 Mario's gameplay was just Up Air ladder combos.

[west cloak]

Shaggy losing utilt as a combo tool with this most recent patch means that he has no more combos besides jab jab up special

And jab jab stomp

[dry sinew]

Straight-up removing specific inputs from combos is such bad game design imho.

[west cloak]

Like the issue with Shaggy is that he has too much kill power

[dry sinew]

Just nerf that instead

[west cloak]

So like instead of neutering his combo game, just nerf his kill power

If they added a late hit to air up special that sent more horizontally, boom problem solved with his old jab jab reverse utilt to up special confirm at 80-90

Now it would just be for extra damage instead of a kill confirm

Which is fine because jab jab up special kills at 100

[dry sinew]

This game definitely need more sourspots and late hitboxes

[west cloak]

Sair still kills at like 60 near ledge and that move should also get nerfed so it doesn’t kill as early. To compensate, let it be a combo starter like it was in beta

Rage specials also don’t need to deal 25 damage. You can nerf those by 5 damage so they only deal 20

[dry sinew]

If they wanna give him Captain Falcon's Knee at least add sweet and sourspots to make more rewarding to hit.

[west cloak]

Which by proxy would need their kill power

[west cloak]

He does have a sweetspot and sourspot, but the sourspot is still fairly strong and you can’t combo off it because of that. It’s just not strong enough to be a reliable kill option

Unless the opponent is at like 110

[dry sinew]

I thought all sweetspots had that distinct sound effect. 🤔

I don't remember Shaggy's knee having it.

[west cloak]

I think it’s just coded differently

I don’t think the game counts it as a sweetspot or sourspot, but there’s a very noticeable difference in the knockback

But current Shaggy is literally just this:

1. spam jab and dodge jab close range
2. Whiff punish with dash attack
3. Throw out random kill moves at 100

I know this is Jason chat, so I won’t clog it up with Shaggy complaints anymore

But I’m really hoping PFG will revert a lot of the combo removals that several high and top tier characters have been getting because they’re turning the game into a bland husk of what it used to be

[median geyser]

Ngl but uair pokes are absolutely awful sometimes...

It's requires hard precisions to hit twice at the same time...

Rage doesn't help the pokes any better at all

[frosty swallow]

jason’s pretty strong rn

[median geyser]

No he isn't...

He's B- at best...

[mossy fern]

Lol

[median geyser]

What?

[mossy fern]

He aint low tier at ll

All*

[median geyser]

Why?

[mossy fern]

He is A to S tier

[median geyser]

He isn't S Tier

A tier depends on his matchup

[mossy fern]

He is heavy
He hits hard
He has armor

He has bad match ups but every character has one

[median geyser]

Armor yeah only grey health that can be whiff & gone...

[median geyser]

He's more bad matchups than other chrs in average

[mossy fern]

His grab is a really good move

Reaaaally good

[median geyser]

What grab?

[mossy fern]

His kill power is above avarage

[mossy fern]

Neutral special

Air

He takes time to die

[median geyser]

Depends if you hit them or not, what matter is you hit them, don't just think just coz he's kill power, doesn't mean it's the best

[mossy fern]

His only issue rn is that hes combo food

[median geyser]

Say that to Arya mains

[median geyser]

Exactly... so how tf you want me to play against an Arya who's been trying to read me?

[mossy fern]

I know Arya is better than Jason, shes like top 3

[median geyser]

No it isn't... it's a good move with some weaknesses into it...

[mossy fern]

Arya is a horrible match up for Jason, i dont judge u

[median geyser]

Yeah? So what can I even do? Nothing...

& you act like he's hard to get knockout, no he isn't

[mossy fern]

Cap, its one of his best moves

[median geyser]

Again... with some weaknesses

I didn't say it's bad but you can't say it's one of his best moves when it's weaknesses, some of them

[feral cargo]

When y'all say Jason is good I assume you play 2s. If you play 1s and feel that way then tell me your gameplan or share some videos of your best and worst games.

Because in 2s I feel almost unstoppable in 1s it just varies, but usually feels a bit on the weaker side.

[lyric cairn]

Still trying to figure out how people think Jason is S tier. These safe by the number tier lists must be a new generation thing. Most fighting games don’t consider someone with multiple bad matchups S tier by any means. Unless the game has a crap ton of characters. Jason hasn’t won a singles tournament as far as I know. And if you go by someone like pumbafury who in same flip will say Jason is low key top 5 or something then get bodied by one of those bad matchups and say Jason is mid all in the same week.

He’s A tier imo and will drop because the people who take him to his ceiling just play really good and can intimidate their opponents quite easily. But once they get use to the matchup he becomes an easier target once you download their playstyle. Ie Jason is much easier if you camp and turtle him and punish his long recover on moves. Then you punish hard with big combos and resets with moves that you can miss and land anyways due to bad hurtbox

[scenic lagoon]

Aight boys

Jason's S

Dair is now supposed to be accurate

[scenic lagoon]

While he has a lot of issues, he also has some insane strengths which make him really good. I also think one thing that's gonna make Jason worse... Is shields

Because one thing some people don't seem to realize is that shield breakers are ALL armor breakers

[west cloak]

I heavily disagree. Jason being able to shield himself while having 4 grabs + shield breaker means literally no one can shield against him. Personally, I think he’s top of A tier or bottom of S tier and he’s probably gonna become a definitive S tier when shields drop

[scenic lagoon]

Like I said

[west cloak]

Especially because shields basically just destroy all of the zoners like Marvin and T&J which are Jason’s worst matchups

[scenic lagoon]

Every shield breaker is an armor breaker

Jason barely ever gets anything off his grounded up special and aint no shot you're ever hitting bag

[west cloak]

That’s not the point

[scenic lagoon]

It kinda is

That's what shields do

[west cloak]

It doesn’t matter if Jason has no guaranteed follow up after up special

The fact that it’s a grab and puts the opponent into disadvantage is good enough

It might barely be reactable offline idk but it certainly isn’t online

[tiny cave]

GUYS

WE

[scenic lagoon]

Yes

Got dair

I know

[tiny cave]

F#####

WON

[west cloak]

Patch notes?

[tiny cave]

[tiny cave]

#patch-notes

[west cloak]

Maybe I need to start complaining everywhere to get PFG to rebalance Shaggy to give him back his combos in exchange for weaker kill power

[queen juniper]

Anyone try it out yet? Did they actually fix it?

[west cloak]

I’m at work, so I can’t say

[queen juniper]

Updating now then I’ll give a report back 🫡

[tiny cave]

#clips message

[dry slate]

JASON MAINS REJOICE, OUR DOWN AIR IS FIXED

[feral cargo]

This

[feral cargo]

Is it actually accurate though? I don't wanna rub people's hair anymore when I'm trying to send them to the shadow realm.

[scenic lagoon]

From what I've seen, yes

[feral cargo]

[dry sinew]

FINALLY

[lyric cairn]

I mean I’ll believe it when I see it but this isn’t the first time PFG said they adjusted something or had a “hitbox overhaul” and barely changed much. All I really want is hurtbox fix which they haven’t even touched. But DAIR working would be a good start

[tiny cave]

Dair is fixed

#clips message

[dry sinew]

Man it feels so good to FINALLY be able to hit Down Air consistently.

[mossy fern]

Funny how even tho Jason is S tier u dont really see him in tourneys

[warm reef]

He’s not S😭 unless we’re going C, B, A, S, S+ then yeah

[neon spire]

Slam those fists down!

[median geyser]

Man when is he even S?

[tiny cave]

Jason is mid A tier now i feel like

He was low with the trash dair

[median geyser]

I still need to learn how to use his dair...

Sometimes I whiffed it quite a lot even when the hitbox wasn't broken

[tiny cave]

If pfg manages to nerf stuff like the harley infinite sair loop jason could even be viable

Or high a tier

Close to S

[median geyser]

They really need to do something about Arya as well coz it's a nightmare for Jason

[tiny cave]

Arya needs nerfs

[median geyser]

I mean yeah

No way to approach her

& the fact that you can't connect uair pokes to her after the bed or stomp

She bounces at 45 degrees & it sucks everytime...

[warm reef]

He always has been since his rework

The down air was just bugged but even now when it’s better

He’s still mid A

Or S it depends on which style of tiers you go by for this game

[dry sinew]

He's A at best.

[west cloak]

That’s because you only see the top 5-7 in tourneys

And then a few character specialists

[dire violet]

Having a Dair is so nice 🙏

[dry sinew]

Right? I spiked so many people today. 🙏

[lyric cairn]

Played an area today who I definitely outplayed but was laddering me and getting early kills a lot because of how bad my hurtbox was. Like Arya’s foward special can dodge , low profile and hit Jason if she misses while facing the other way? Her ladder was also missing but still connecting if I did not get enough distance.

[indigo hollow]

I feel it for Jason players, he's the combo goat🐐

[median geyser]

Hmm

[indigo hollow]

I've done some really nasty things to some Jason's but unfortunately, I just can't help it. He's the combo goat after all

tbf jason's kill power is pretty insane if he's allowed to play the game that is

[gray gale]

Yeah, Jason's basically killing you at 40-50 if he catches you then

All it takes is 1 read

Granted it's not the easiest thing to do as a Jason, but still, he's very strong as he is

It's also a bit MU dependent

Yeah, you find an Arya, Betelgeuse, Smith, ppg and such and you're gonna struggle to get the ball rolling

But find a Lebron, Supes, Taz, or anyone with stubby tools and you just have to wait for the jab

Hell, Jason can feast on Bugs and Ricks, he just has to contest their tools once cuz his Jab is really big

[indigo hollow]

Jason struggles against characters that has really good combos yeah

literally everything works on him and there's nothing he can do about it

[tiny cave]

She also has zero whiff

[queen juniper]

[median geyser]

Many chrs do... Smith & others

[lyric cairn]

I’m still trying to figure out why so many characters can still do so much when exhaust state. And the smaller ones can low profile and still dodge through attacks.

[somber coral]

When is it better to jab jab neutral over jab jab side special? Only in the middle of the map at high %?

[tiny cave]

Ledge

At high

%

Can be used as a kill confirm

[wide shale]

if they're mid stage i'll jab jab teleport just for the possible followup if they ground bounce

[warm reef]

When they aren’t off stage if anything you can do jab axe but it’s kinda risky

You can just use nair into sair instead of jab jab tp or axe

[somber coral]

Yea but I feel like the axe is almost never worth it, even as a kill confirm it rarely feels like the better choice over side special? I picked up Jason this season and played it to M5 and I still have no clue when the axe is the correc to use haha

[dry slate]

Axe is better than side special for killing, but you can't be using it willy nilly since Jason is one of the few characters in this game to actually have proper whiff

[somber coral]

Is it though? In the middle of the map its often better to go for a bounce, on the edge both probably kill

I guess its a little more knockback from the axe, but with the chances of whiffing randomly on some characters

By them dodging

[scenic lagoon]

I mean other than either of those 2 I sometimes just jab 3

It's the most consistent out of the 3 in actually hitting after jab 2

[dry slate]

Jab Jab Teleport doesn't become true after being used twice since it's too stale to properly combo, letting people dodge out before teleport hits them

[somber coral]

Oh I didnt know that, so jab jab sspecial jab jab neutral is the way to go then

[frosty swallow]

nah after 2nd jab, dtilt and dodge follow

[verbal aurora]

@craggy lagoon when you said that you were the owner of the jason server, i didn't think it was this

[craggy lagoon]

why are you here

[verbal aurora]

checking if you're the owner

[dry slate]

Wrong server lol

[neon spire]

We need a Camp Cristal Lake map

[frosty swallow]

tommy jarvis shaggy skin would go hard

[queen juniper]

Shaggy talk?! Nah lil bro this is the Jason gang 🗿💀

[viscid dragon]

We’re gonna get one eventually

[tiny cave]

12 days

Left

[left finch]

Greetings, Jacksons

What are some combos that aren't too hard to pull off?

[vague belfry]

Jackson Vorhees? In all seriousness nair near the ground leads into jab, which can then lead into down tilt or grounded up special

[left finch]

I always find the hitbox on the grounded up special so weird. My ax has phased through a model before and it did NOT register for whatever reason

Tbh, I find the neutral air special better in general

Only issue is the slow startup and how choreographed it looks

[vague belfry]

The grab is very good, though you can't be too telegraphed with it or else you'll get smacked

[left finch]

Right, but up special kinda sucks in twos. In ones, it's alr but still a weird hitbox

What about his grounded down special?

[vague belfry]

Sleeping bag is a really niche one. You can sometimes get nair into dodge bag but it's not terribly consistent

[left finch]

No I meant moves solely by themselves

[vague belfry]

Oh okay, by itself sleeping bag is terrible. Never throw it out unless you can somehow combo into it

[scenic lagoon]

@hazy blaze Ggs

[radiant nexus]

Howdy

[minor radish]

I thought there would have been one by now...

[tiny cave]

There will

Very soon

[radiant nexus]

Is it in the files?

[tiny cave]

Theres a friday the 13th this month

[radiant nexus]

Okay they gotta do something

||Also I did see your response||

[dry slate]

PFG thinking about if they should release the Camp Crystal Lake map on Friday the 13th (they'll just make a twitter post with the crappy Hockey Mask event skins and leave Jason out of it)

[feral cargo]

Its been 2 days of no chat. We've truly accepted our place in the world. Or temporarily moved on

How are you feeling Jason brothers

[formal dirge]

nah ppl just talk in the jason server

[feral cargo]

that makes more sense

[median geyser]

Although It feels like something man

This chr channel was the most active out of all due to F13 fans out there including me

& our constant remarks & complaints about Jason & how he's being treated poorly

[formal dirge]

that s true but tbh

it s just because now jason is actually good/decent too

[craggy lagoon]

@pallid moss y you mean

[tiny cave]

Decent

Hurtboxes still suck

Playing jason feels like everything hits from behind

Even attacks that already got adjusted to not doing it

[formal dirge]

yeah but once u get over that it s over for em

insane dmg and reward

[median geyser]

The thing is it's really matter if you hit them or not

& Jason's attacks are seem to be very easy to be parried imo

Not to tell... some of his moves are still trash & underwhelming...

Especially his dair special

[formal dirge]

bag and down special air

[median geyser]

Yeah literally the worst...

[formal dirge]

bag is good in 2s but down special air after dair buff is useless

[median geyser]

Bag I think is pretty good now... especially with the reward but the startup is still sad & ofc you can't jab combo into it

[median geyser]

Dair special really need some rework

It's one of the worst move so far

Easily get punished for using it

[formal dirge]

no need for a rework

just make it cancelable on hit

and not do the grounded bad version

followup

[median geyser]

Idk how would it work... coz like...

[formal dirge]

so u can make stuff like dair special into dair or nair

[median geyser]

It only activates on the ground

[median geyser]

I think dair special also needs to be faster...

It's too slow

Don't forget it also has ground bounces so it's better to follow up with jabs instead

[formal dirge]

that too

[formal dirge]

yeah and sucks

atp why would i use instead of nair or dair

i still think jason is super solid

[median geyser]

Good question...

Yeah man nah...

[formal dirge]

i ll continue playing him in 1s

[median geyser]

His dair special needs a rework

[formal dirge]

super fun

[median geyser]

He's just very average at 1s... but one of the top for 2s

I raged quite a lot sometimes...

Especially against bad matchups

I hated Smith & Batman... sweaty matchups as heck

[formal dirge]

very average no, he just has very bad mus

[median geyser]

Mus?

[formal dirge]

that are hard to play against

[formal dirge]

match-ups

[median geyser]

His moves have consequences & whiffs

Chrs like Smith & Arya have zero whiffs

[formal dirge]

yeah that s why u space them

and use rage to pressure

[median geyser]

Rage is still bad against them

Like they've armor breaking moves man...

Smith literally has a damn type of pistol shooting type of stuff & he's grabs

[pallid moss]

What did i say ?

[formal dirge]

his grabs is slow

his nspec is a problem that s for sure but it s tankable unless he uses armor kille

[feral cargo]

I just wish the armor started up as the move did. And stayed applied if it wasn't broken

Get him while the grab is happening and then we both get knocked back

[radiant nexus]

They should make ressurectionist good

[formal dirge]

they should remove armor on grab and make it faster

[trim crest]

the armor grab is so goated

[median geyser]

Why?

[trim crest]

just really good both defensively and offensively imo,i find myself using it more as an insant armor in the air to punish and it works really well

[formal dirge]

yeah it s unbelievably strong

[neon spire]

I like the grab, give em a hug and a love-stab or three

[trim crest]

just the hitbox can get a little silly

[neon spire]

He's a silly boi

[trim crest]

question,what do yall use jasons nair for

the axe move might be air special

it seems prety useless to me since its just something between the grab and the machete thats worse than both at knockback and utility

[west cloak]

It has low whiff, combos due to the ground bounce changes, and doesn’t consume an air special like the grab

[trim crest]

fair enough

[feral cargo]

Dodge in reads, combos

[dry slate]

Rage Nair to Nair to Sair for a free 40ish percent

[long rampart]

nair sets up so much and the way it hits behind comes up fairly often

very fun move

[dry sinew]

Hitbox added to Jason’s arm / axe that knocks back enemies that were not grabbed
THANK YOU JESUS.

[west cloak]

Congrats on likely becoming top tier this patch

[dry sinew]

Nah, probably won't but that alone will make his grabs less volatile in 2v2.

[west cloak]

No I mean shields are added

And Jason has the most shield breaking moves

And shields give Jason the much needed defense he’s been lacking

[feral cargo]

We probably up

[dry slate]

Honestly kinda already bottom of top 7

This just helped us in 2v2s and FFA mainly

Also Jab3 will just do an additional hit for the person grabbed, so his jab is now a 5 hit combo. Jab3 alone does 10 damage now

[west cloak]

It’s crazy how Shaggy and Jason traded places over time

The jab 2 hitstun nerf for Shaggy removed all combo potential his jab has besides jab 1,2,3

[dry slate]

What were the patch notes for Shaggy? I didn't really get that far (work)

[west cloak]

Shaggy has no kill confirms anymore

No more combos

[dry slate]

Oh darn

That's crazy

[west cloak]

His shield breaker is bad

Shields nerf his offense

He’s easily gonna be bottom 5 now because all he has is random kill moves

I might be a Jason main now

[west cloak]

Thankfully, this is slightly inaccurate. Jab jab up special still works but only if jab is not stale

So he’s not irredeemably bad like Velma or Iron Giant

But all of his other combos are gone, so I’m probably transitioning my Jason secondary to a Jason main

[queen juniper]

I see we got 2 small buffs. Now if only I could break away from playing rivals to test them out kekw

I think if they make uair hits connect better/more consistently and add damage for each pummel while enemy is in sleeping bag, our boy would just about be dialed in

[trail flicker]

Lol

[tiny cave]

Jason is now top A tier baby

[lyric cairn]

Does anyone else keep accidentally dodging after block when trying to jab

Update is made for stick players and not button players 😩

Otherwise I have to player real precise now

[tiny cave]

I play on keyboard and this hasnt happened to me yet

Jabbing while shielding doesnt even work anyways

All you can do is shield breaker and it works with neutral tilt

[dry sinew]

That's how it should be, imho. Shaggy is meant to be a fundamentals character. He's way too rewarding for being so easy to use. He shouldn't be a top tier.

[dry sinew]

Rivals or Marvel Rivals? 😬

[west cloak]

Tell that to Smash Bros Mario

[neon spire]

Shaggy is supposed to be THE top tier, he has super instinct

[west cloak]

True

Unfortunately, PFG is forcing Shaggy to hold back and only use 0.0001% of his power

[queen juniper]

Marvel rivals

I’m a Jeff, venom and magik main

[radiant nexus]

sigh

[median geyser]

Jason's stomp feels really odd rn...

It's much more difficult to combo into uair attack

[radiant nexus]

I use it to catch them with the air grab

[tiny cave]

Nah it was like that before the update

I think its character and damage dependant

Anyways

I use it to read dodges instead

[median geyser]

No...

[tiny cave]

Yeah it was

I assure you

It was

[median geyser]

I mean yeah... but they nerfed it after making it a shield attack

It feels really odd now...

[tiny cave]

Why would u ever use that into uair

[median geyser]

Incase the opponent is bit too far away from Jabs

[tiny cave]

The shield version and the normal stomp arent the same

[median geyser]

It's...

[tiny cave]

No it isnt

[median geyser]

Yes it is

[tiny cave]

It doesnt work the same

[median geyser]

It's same properties

Like the knockback is odd now

I can't combo into uair that easily with one single high jump

It's more difficult that way than before

[formal dirge]

it s not the same move

[median geyser]

Same properties I mean

[dry slate]

You have more endlag with shield breaker stomp than normal stomp

Also, stomp to uair is only true if they di in like an idiot. If they di out, tough luck tbh

[radiant nexus]

Happy Friday the 13th everyone

[median geyser]

Happy Friday the 13th

[neon spire]

Jason Day!

[dry slate]

Happy Friday the 13th!

[tiny cave]

Happy friday the 13th

[round hamlet]

Happy Friday the 13th

[halcyon badger]

Happy Friday the 13th

[tiny cave]

Its saturday

😔

[halcyon badger]

😔

[lyric cairn]

https://youtu.be/bavGGIUulKw?si=mJ1KulzPK_UwYqN2

[queen talon]

Yo what buffs have Jason gotten recently he seems faster and able to kill alot easier. Like kills at 75 kind of stronger

[tiny cave]

He got a 2s buff

A dair buff

And a rework

[dry slate]

this

[tiny cave]

Shaggy can still do jab jab up b

Wheres the nerf

[formal dirge]

talk to hogieland in shaggy chat lol he had a crashout on shaggy nerfs ( i dont feel them )

[dry slate]

Shaggy is still a low top tier at worst

[west cloak]

It wasn’t enough to make jab jab up b not true, but jab jab stomp is not true anymore. After jab is like 3x stale, jab jab up b isn’t true. The other thing is that with the hitstun reduction that applies for continued combos (I believe this mechanic was created back in season 2), jab won’t combo into anything off of a tech chase assuming you can even get one as Shaggy. There is no jab jab reverse utilt combos anymore due to yet another utilt nerf, so all Shaggy has now is random kill moves

If you want to beat Shaggy this patch, just shield on reaction to him jumping because everything Shaggy does on shield is punishable and Jason has good out of shield punishes with dodge jab, utilt, and up b

The Shaggy vs Jason matchup is around even this patch. Jason deals more damage per combo, kills earlier, lives longer, has better out of shield shield punishes, has better ways to deal with shield, and has better landing options. Shaggy has less whiff and faster movement speed

[west cloak]

And this isn’t necessarily a crash out on Shaggy nerfs. This is more of a “I see no way the game will ever reach the balancing philosophy I would like to see” judging from how many characters still have death combos and this is a huge turnoff for me because I got into MVS because of the neutral game

[dry slate]

Jab Jab Stomp not being true is good because you could easily tech-chase loop people and it was annoying as hell

[west cloak]

Yeah, I’m aware. But instead of balancing it properly so you couldn’t keep the tech chase going for so long, they just removed it

Which also removed confirms like jab jab stomp dash attack and jab jab stomp IAD sair

Making Shaggy more bland and combo-less

Yet Harley gets to keep her sair into sair tech chase

[dry slate]

DC bias goes hard in this game

(I despise DC in this game)

[restive wasp]

I play a half dozen characters but Jason has become my most played and favorite. I don't do much in the way of learning and practicing combos and usually just kinda free form fight but it might not be bad to learn a few. What Jason combos do you like or use the most?

[tiny cave]

Jab jab stomp

(Read)

And then nair into air grab

Or nair into sair

#combos message

[restive wasp]

Okay thanks ill give it a try and check the combos section

[feral cargo]

Never thought to do this

Why does everyone say SAIR?

[tiny cave]

I sometimes do dodge read into grab and then they bounce

[feral cargo]

Is it special air??

[tiny cave]

But its situational

It would

Jab jab stomp

Read dodge

Grab

Jab jab

[knotty sage]

Side Air, since this game doesnt have back airs and its referred to in the movelists

[tiny cave]

Side air

[feral cargo]

Not having back air makes sense but I feel like forward air still works it'll be forward either way. What do you call neutral special in the air?

Originally thought that's what it meant

[knotty sage]

nair special or just air neutral special

[feral cargo]

You a LastYear fan?

[knotty sage]

that asym game? nah

[feral cargo]

Oh so it still works out

[feral cargo]

You got me excited

It is rereleasing though

Already out and playable now though probably like 12 people playing.

I miss my hobo whip chain

[craggy lagoon]

heads up jason players, if you guys want an invite to the jason voorhees character discord shoot a dm my way

[elfin fossil]

Man, I'm eager to see what the prereq for the winter skin for Jason is. I'll do anything to get more of my boy

[tiny cave]

https://x.com/F13thFranchise/status/1874205620188176522

WERE SO BACK

[bitter cove]

What is the balance philosophy behind giving an airel command grab a massive hitbox and armour?

[frosty swallow]

they didn’t know they were adding shields yet

also pfg has no balance philosophy

would be too sophisticated for a company like them

[west cloak]

More like WB didn’t put enough budget into the dev team, so they’re trying to run what’s essentially supposed to be a AAA game on an indie budget

[tame briar]

Is this Jason combo actually true? I think it is but I’m not 100% sure:
jump+neutral air
->jump+neutral special air
->tech predict (it’s very hard to avoid no matter where u tech). ->jump+neutral air ->jump+neutral air
->jab jab up tilt
-> jump+up attack
I think everything after the double neutral air is for sure true but I’m wondering how escapable the set up is if u tech

I was thinking for the tech if neutral special is too easy to tech out of before hitting neutral air I could replace it with down air cos it gives less time to react for a little less damage

[trim crest]

idk tbh i dont think you need too much money to balance

[west cloak]

The issue is that the dev team is like 4x smaller than it should be

The budget is hiring other people to help fix bugs and push out updates faster

[frosty swallow]

fix dude’s jab 🙏 no reason jason should be hitting me from behind pause

[dire violet]

Just a lab combo for fun, couldn't reach 100 😢
Shaggy's "dude" at the end cracks me up though...
#combos message

[languid spade]

How exactly is one supposed to deal with this man? Tanky, hits hard, and isn't even slow to compensate for that? When he first released he felt slow enough to deal with, not sure if he got faster or people just got better at him.

[west cloak]

You just need to bully Jason is disadvantage. He’s big, so more combos work on him and a lot of his moves have a decent amount of whiff, so you can get a lot of mileage off of whiff punishes

But keep in mind Jason can kill you off of like 1-2 reads

So you either want to play in his face aggressively where his defensive options are limited or play at a range where you can react and whiff punish almost anything he throws out

[dire maple]

it has a considerable amount of whiff and Jason doesn't have many more defensive options

[tiny cave]

This fokin sucks

No new anims

[queen talon]

Jason’s grab shouldn’t have armor but I get it without it he would be completely trash cause that’s really the only thing he has that makes him good on approaching

[tiny cave]

Keep the armor

But remove the ground bounce

The simple fact a tank has 2 different ground bounce combo tools is stupid

Grab needed no changes

It wasnt a combo tool

But it worked as a kill confirm if you grabbed enemies off stage

Grab used to be a get off me tool like ig and a kill confirm near edge but now its just stupid

[trim crest]

yeah idk their way of giving chars combos like ppg is just making everything groundbounce and nothing else its silly

[tiny cave]

Jason didnt need any ground bounce other than nair

Hes literally a tank

[queen talon]

I would think they gave him the ground bounce to give him ways to follow up into combos with him being as slow as he is.

Even still Jason does some strong damage and has some pretty good knockback power on most characters

[tiny cave]

Yeah thats why he doesnt need combos

Grab as a combo tool is stupid

The old grab angle was way better

Without being so stupid

#clips message

Just look at this

75 damage off one grab

[trim crest]

along with jason also kills really early

he doesnt need long true combos to rack up dmg

[tiny cave]

I mean he doesnt have true long combos

But a grab reading is basically 60 free damage

Just bc the grab bounces every single time

Remove the grab bounce angle

And keep nair how it is

He already has nair

Theres no need for him to have 2 bounces

And nair is actually balanced

Bc its not that easy to land

[queen talon]

The main thing that makes Jason cheesy is players that spam his armored grab, his disappearance move and the fact he deals easy and high damage with insane knock back

[rare yew]

what up guys!

been wanting to pick up jason for a bit anybody have any good tips or combos for him?

[tiny cave]

#clips message

[minor radish]

Finally got the elusive costume

161/300

[neon spire]

🎉

[tiny cave]

.

[ashen perch]

If u use Jason I pray your house got burned down

[feral cargo]

[trim crest]

*gets

[ashen perch]

Thanks buddy

[tiny cave]

Dont get hit

[fading vapor]

It's been an honor slashing with you boys

[west cloak]

🫡

[high matrix]

[fading vapor]

🫂

[neon spire]

🏒

[elfin fossil]

The greatest character to ever be put into a Platform Fighter, but a dream can only last for so long until you wake up.

At least we did Momma Proud.

[tiny cave]

same

[tiny cave]

[feral cargo]

Its been an honor 🥹

[neon spire]

[river delta]

They never did fix Jason's giant hand hurtboxes. But hey, at least they got him to a good state before it all ended 😔

[spare sparrow]

RIP MVS

They might as well buff Jason to broken status I’ve

[timber cedar]

If any of you want to seek refuge after this server eventually dies out, dm me for a link to the jasoncord, it been fairly active for a while now.

ping me here when you dm so I know