Jason

[round depot]

in training i managed to make it so, from 0, my body bag combo can lead into a kill confirm

if you get that third normal in it gets them from 0 to like 41

thats if you do the optional bit which is kinda hard to land

so @harsh sorrel how the games goin

[harsh sorrel]

this character is free asf in 1's

most the projectile characters simply aren't good in this format, except like lebron probably and a lot of the stuff you said really does apply

his neutral special is kinda a free skip into beating up your opponent

[round depot]

jason is the 1s menace fr

gon share some tech as to what makes the combo i chucked into chat work

if you jump, at the top of your jump height input down special

you dont do the second hit

and it becomes a combo starter tool

[swift marlin]

i was having more luck in 2s ngl his up-air's insane there

[trail light]

For me, it's 1v1s, I feel more comfortable that way

[harsh sorrel]

you really do have to play patient

now a lot of my shortcomings feel like a skill issue, like a lost to this harley because i got my licks in and then didnt set up my armor in the mean time

i can handle that

good char👍

[swift marlin]

no i mean i prefer 1s overall but jasons juggling ability really shines in 2s

[trail light]

Oh ok

[round depot]

armour is great to set up after the body bag

[harsh sorrel]

you can really get in peoples head by just walking at them with the armor

and then once you have a good read you win

[round depot]

im tryna find armour setups

[harsh sorrel]

lowkey dont think you even need a armor set up

[round depot]

found a new one

[harsh sorrel]

i just do jab jab, down special, and if its not on cooldown i pop it

[round depot]

side normal (x2) > down normal > up special > standing normal

[harsh sorrel]

im trying to use that off cooldown. It racks up dmg but i'm confident i'll kill them first

[west cloak]

That last standing normal combos?

[round depot]

on low percents

might be dodgeable tho idk

[west cloak]

You can turn on dodge after hitstun on the CPU in training mode

Should make it easier to test

[round depot]

yeah

on low percents it hits

[west cloak]

Wack

And to think I was just ending with up special

Could’ve gotten a bit more damage

[round depot]

its iffy tho

[queen drum]

Jason is imo the funnest char in the game however he does struggle against rush down characters a bit

[harsh sorrel]

nature of a big characeter

pretend i spelt that right

the only assassin i think we might struggle with is harley

and not because harley is fast, but because batbomb for whatever reason destroys our armored state even at max

but outside of batbomb it's kinda free

[tacit pivot]

Is there a jason server yet?

[round depot]

found something interesting, could be huge

okay i found a really solid jason combo

like REALLY solid

its more a loop you can use for low percent combos but

[faint ibex]

Any tips for Jason on 2's

[round depot]

optional again marked with bold
air down normal > side normal (x2) > down normal > air down normal > side normal (x2) > down normal

now i gotta find sumn to put after this

the bag works perfectly

68 damage

boom

you gotta reposition during air down normal tho

so you can land your side normals

its finnicky but you can get the hand of it

[harsh sorrel]

be patient with your neutral special, dont swing unless you can hit.

Also try to play with your team

jason is really good at converting off stray hits into a kill

My personal favorite duo to have is an arya, as they both are quite good at killing off the top

[round depot]

found a combo for carrying players across a stage

i need to get out of the lab because holy

[dim spire]

So since we got jason what are the odds we get freddy

[still root]

fedy faber

[dim spire]

Cause I finally wanna have freddy vs jason and freddy and jason vs in a game and now feels like the tome

Time

[still root]

warner Bros doesnt own fnaf tho

[dim spire]

Freddy krugar

My guy

[round depot]

air down normal > side normal (x2) > down normal > up special > link with dodge > side normal (x2) > down normal > down special (AAAB)

[dim spire]

Am I that old?

[still root]

no

im just dum

im not a movie type of guy

[dim spire]

Lol its all good

Hasn't been a good nightmare movie in a while

[round depot]

@harsh sorrel you have more to terrorise 5 year olds online with

it requires a LONG stage tho

[dim spire]

Is the last down b replaceable with neutral special

?

[round depot]

lemme lab it

i literally just left the lab now i gotta watch a loadin screen

[dim spire]

Oooooof I'm sorry

Don't do it on my behalf then don't inconvenience yourself for me

I'm a npc

[round depot]

neutral special as in the air one?

[still root]

what percentage do the combos work at?

[dim spire]

If your grounded no just the big axe but the grab is dope to

Just curious

Wait

I meant neutral attack I'm super new

[round depot]

i found damage i didnt get

[round depot]

i tested at 0

[dim spire]

Oh cool

Im glad it worked out

[dim spire]

How much you getting now I'm still having issues getting dmg might be cause im still figuring the game out

[round depot]

i missed a down normal

but it makes timings tight

[dim spire]

How tight

Like super hard and inconsistent or just hard

[round depot]

now it does 78

[round depot]

hard

okay so now the combo is

air down normal > side normal (x2) > down normal > up special > dodge > air down normal > side normal (x2) > down normal > down special (AAB)

found a 0 to death

air down normal is a godlike button holy

[dim spire]

Can the down special be replaced with neutral attack? Or side special?

His big Mario punch

Yea its the only move where he punches punches you

He's knocked dudes heads off before with one meaty punch

Is the above combo the tod?

[dim spire]

This is the touch of death correct?

[round depot]

it might be true, might not be, but its
air down normal > side normal (x2) > down normal > air down normal > up normal > air up special > air up normal

for the air up normal you may need dodge to close the distance

yeah a diagonal up and left/right depending on direction will do the trick

YOU DONT NEED THE AIR UP SPECIAL

HOLY

idk how i did it

i found a better TOD

air down normal > side normal (x2) > down normal > air down normal > side normal (x2) > down normal > up normal > air up special

this is from 0 btw

@harsh sorrel i think this one you might find rather nutty

[lapis mist]

theres gotta be gaps in this. probably between down tilt and down air

[round depot]

the bot didnt dodge it

bot doesnt dodge that combo

then again it doesnt dodge me literally spaming down air

[lapis mist]

yeah its not real. but if you start punishing dodges you can condition them to take it

[round depot]

damn fr?

[lapis mist]

its a nice string 👍

[round depot]

you sure your timing is tight enough?

[lapis mist]

we can test to be sure if youd like

[round depot]

bc it seems to hit about the same time as bed which is true i think

i have fast fingers and am on keyboard tho

dont know about you

[round depot]

sure

[lapis mist]

okay one second

whats you ign?

[round depot]

DrKat

[lapis mist]

okay sent you a request i think my name is FatherKong

[round depot]

added

[lapis mist]

ill pick iron giant to be as forgiving as possible

[round depot]

i tested on shaggy

oof

[lapis mist]

yeah itd be way too good lol

[round depot]

imma test another hol on

[lapis mist]

oops i just closed

[round depot]

might mean down normal into up normal aint real

[lapis mist]

yeah thats not real

[round depot]

i coulda spread a buncha misinformation just now yipee

i thought it was

it felt like it should be

[lapis mist]

i think dair into up air works at certain percentages

[harsh sorrel]

Theres no waaay you cant DI this

If you cNt its stupid

[lapis mist]

you only really get jab>jab>something with him

anything else gives an opportunity to dodge

[round depot]

down normal into down special

after jab > jab

[harsh sorrel]

I can so hit this tho, holy

[lapis mist]

havent tested this but it could work

[round depot]

it does im 99% sure

i spent like hours here labbin stuff

side note i havent slept, its 7am

[tacit pivot]

it doesnt

actually nvm it can

its just tight

but then again

just use upb instead of downb

it does more damage so why bother

[grand tangle]

Resurrection doesn't seem like a good signature

Honestly I've seen most players just run away from him until the counter is down, which is very easy since Jason is pretty slow

[queen drum]

but the teleport behind one is worse imo. I talked abt it earlier but it's lowkey a noob trap. once I know a Jason has that perk, he's getting punished everytime he uses side b outside of as a combo ender. which is a huge problem cuz u need it to recover. against a good player, every time u js try and get back to stage, ur getting down aired into a full combo. resurrection sucks but at least it can help you instead of hurting u

[grand tangle]

Jeez, looks like both of his signatures kinda suck lmao

Did not know that about teleport though, I guess resurrection is better

[queen drum]

solely by default. Hopefully they fix it soon. literally all they have to do is make it so it's only activated when u hold down side b, that way u could tap to throw off the opponent naw mean?

[tacit pivot]

i do use resurrection currently but im thinking of swapping back to the basic 5% one

[queen drum]

lowkey the 5% one is the best perk for far too many characters

[tacit pivot]

simply because running away from him is too good of a counter

yea

sadly

[queen drum]

same with black Adam

one perk makes u lose out on ur best combo option, and the other is bonus damage when enemies are suffering from the shock status effect. which literally only like 2 characters apply naturally (one of which is black Adam 💀)

[tacit pivot]

damn that sucks

[tacit pivot]

why cant i type in lfg competitive

clicked on the role but its still not letting me lmao

even more odd

when i switch to lfg casual i can type in there

then i go back to lfg competitive and i cant type in that

i dont get it

[harsh sorrel]

5% dmg and reduction is somply the way to go rn

[tacit pivot]

btw

do u guys use last stand or speed force assist

im unsure

i dont think 5% does a lot with his speed

slow + slow is still slow yaknow

5% probably makes a difference with someone like arya but not for someone as slow as jason

but im not sure

[harsh sorrel]

I go full dmg

[tacit pivot]

currently same

[harsh sorrel]

That 5% speed doesnt do enough to mask how slow jason is

[tacit pivot]

i can imagine airwalker being really good tho for early kills

[harsh sorrel]

I really like the one that applies weakness once you're past 100%

[tacit pivot]

thats last stand

thats what i use too

i do well rounded, snowball effect, last stand and pugilist

[harsh sorrel]

Wait, aerial up tilt might be insane. Or aerial grounded upspecial

[tacit pivot]

exactly

[harsh sorrel]

I see the vision

[tacit pivot]

but i havent tried it much yet

[harsh sorrel]

Im grinding that tommorow

[tacit pivot]

im playing jason only in an upcoming tourney and im not sure if i wanna do airwalker or not

[harsh sorrel]

Or..when i wake up its 4am

[tacit pivot]

something ive noticed

neutral air comboes into a lot of stuff at low-mid percents

you can do nair into a jab string

you can do nair into fair at up to 70(?) with just 1 jump

short hop -> fastfall -> nair -> fair

you can do both aerials with just 1 jump

oh my god

jump -> nair -> fair is a kill confirm at 130 and up

nair has very low knockback and slightly launches them up

so you can kill like that

nvm its from like 110-140 or smth

not the biggest range but it is true

[inner lodge]

Anyone else notice that both of Jason’s down attacks have two separate names? Literally with “or” in-between them.

The ground version even has a question mark at the end. I guess they couldn’t decide, right up to launch?

[slate current]

I think it’s because it’s two moves

Eh actually nevermind

I thought that was down special

[tacit pivot]

god

online shaggys are the most annoying to play against

i dont think there is a single character with more scrubs on its side

most people i play against are good but every single shaggy spams sideb like theres no tomorrow

and downb to get down

[real grove]

Love when my messages don’t send all day

[queen drum]

Finns a contender

[tacit pivot]

Fair enough

[halcyon topaz]

Jason is such a fun character

I’m not even a big slasher fan but I think his moveset is perfect

[queen rivet]

I've seen like one Friday the 13th movie but this character is amazing

Air grab

[visual sail]

Im gonna be 100% honest. This character kinda blows

[tacit pivot]

How so

[visual sail]

A hit box this big and you still die at 80 damage like a light character

[tacit pivot]

You dont tho

[visual sail]

You literally do

[tacit pivot]

I agree that jason sucks but he doesnt die early

Thats the least of his problems

[visual sail]

It feels like half the roster can kill you at 80

[tacit pivot]

I live to 140 most games

[visual sail]

I know because iv done it to other jason players

[tacit pivot]

Off the top sure but not off the side

Every character can die early off the top tho

You probably di incorrectly then

[visual sail]

And his armor for HP exchange feels so bad

It still gets broken by armor breaking moves anyway

so you just deal 20 damage to yourself for nothing

[tacit pivot]

If you die at 80 most of the time lmao

[visual sail]

And people can roll through you when you do the neutral charge attack

[tacit pivot]

Welcome to multiversus

[hexed jacinth]

God forbid counterplay exists

[tacit pivot]

You can roll through any character no matter what they charge

Thats the game

[visual sail]

How does this character play the game at all

[hexed jacinth]

fishing for jab 1 2

[tacit pivot]

A kill...?

[visual sail]

Iv never lost to a jason and currently havent won with him either lol

[hexed jacinth]

not using unsafe moves in neutral

[tacit pivot]

You can kill so easily with his neutral b

[hexed jacinth]

using teleport to whiff punish

[tacit pivot]

Play me tomorrow 8pm

Not home until tomorrow evening

After that ill play you for as much as youd like

If you are up for it

[visual sail]

I mean I guess but I might be playing Relink for like 12 hours

Last update drops friday

[tacit pivot]

I promise you i will win most of our games

And certainly dont die at 80

[harsh anchor]

Fr feels like there's never a reason to use it

[round depot]

it actually does good damage if you get the normals in, its just hard to land and needs a combo into it

[tacit pivot]

But even then

Grounded upb is nearly always better as a finisher than grounded downb

[balmy prairie]

jason doesn't die easily, i even survived mojo jojo's laser at 80 with him

[tranquil zinc]

damn you were right his armor is kinda busted and his tp is pretty good for punishing whiffs @round depot

[brave talon]

what do we think the best perks are?

[round depot]

i think down special does more

if you use normals

[gentle spear]

best perks?

[gray gale]

Ngl, I'm feeling like people sleep hard on air down special

[true wing]

Hey found a potential combo line.

[rotund shell]

Ressurectionist ain’t it

[gray gale]

Well, his TP perk ain't allat either

[rotund shell]

It’s better though

[gray gale]

a little too volatile

[rotund shell]

Honestly, We’ll rounded is way better

[true wing]

Foward Slash 2, Down Step, then either Up Smash and then follow up with it in the air again or Up Aerial. Or use Up Special on the Ground the Jump Foward for Foward Aerial.

[gray gale]

if you wanna just play good, go for the 5% damage boost

but if you wanna BALL

[sacred patio]

I found that out the hard way. On paper it sounds good. In action, no

[gray gale]

TP perk

[true wing]

Or you could also instead replace it with either down or side special to start with, down special for the throws, or side special to gain some movement.

[balmy prairie]

TP perk is great because you can get pretty much confirmed kills on opponents trying to recover off stage

[gray gale]

but then you also just die from using it anywhere else

like you either get a kill confirm or you get nuked if the enemy sees it coming

it's baller asf

but a little risky

[sacred patio]

So what about the other three? I abandoned ressurectionist

[balmy prairie]

not if you know how to play the mind games

[gray gale]

If you just want to be optimal, run the 5% damage boost from well-rounded

as for the smaller perks, idk, do your thing

[balmy prairie]

if you use tp to recover yourself when you're offstage a few times, your opponent will start predicting it so if you just don't use it they look stupid charging their attack for nothing

[gray gale]

I run the dash attack guardbreak perk, cuz otherwise you only got dtilt for armor break

[balmy prairie]

what team perk do you guys run btw? i alternate between projectile shield and snowball effect but it doesn't feel quite right

[round depot]

its a good combo tool
(yes, combo tool)

[rotund shell]

Snowball

[gray gale]

I'm currently running
Snowball
2 fast 2 block
pugilist

[sacred patio]

I went with the sidestep one

Just feels right

[tacit pivot]

One thing i noticed which seems op against zonerd

Zoners

Max charge downb, gap close with aerial downb

Mac charge neutral b*

You dash right through any projectiles

Same with charged fsmash for that matter

[prisma ferry]

Anyone know a good way to go into a matchup with the rush down jerks like bugs and Harley?

[balmy prairie]

either up special when they're coming at you, or if you wanna rush into them try teleporting twice instead of just once

but don't overuse the tp or else it'll just be worse for you

[floral trellis]

I found the best approach for dealing with them is bait and whiff punish as much as you can. You want to min max your interactions since you need less overall trades to win out thanks to your kill power. mistwalk is amazing for rapid punishes, and jab jab mist into buffered fair can kill them really early if you catch them out.

[balmy prairie]

jason has a bit more range than bugs (ignoring projectiles) so you can zone him a little bit
harley is a bit more tricky because her boxing glove outranges your up moves

[floral trellis]

fair is such a good tool in those matchups with the range honestly

i think those matchups get easier the better you are at parry thanks to jason's crazy kill pressure

parry into jab setups go so hard

[balmy prairie]

yeah honestly dodging or parrying is the best option against those speedsters

[floral trellis]

yeah if they are rushing you, just have to catch them out and kill them early with that light weight. Easier said than done. They are certainly hard matchups

[balmy prairie]

you can also catch them offguard if they're zoning by using down air special

[prisma ferry]

Yea all my Matches with the pressure has been a head ache. Trying to zone more has been helpful

Yea the air down special has been a great surprise now again they don’t see coming

[balmy prairie]

also remember that jason ignores knockback with grey health so use your neutral special whenever you can against those

[prisma ferry]

Especially if the last slash hits and really makes their eyes pop

[floral trellis]

yeah the armor can sneak up on them. You should only look to set that up after an interaction win

[balmy prairie]

or when you're at high %

[floral trellis]

at least imo. I found that if you do the whole "power up away from them" alla shaggy, you can punished really fast

[balmy prairie]

i don't see the power up as a kill enabler but more as a temporary invincibility of sorts

[floral trellis]

definitely agree

[balmy prairie]

i don't mind missing the one attack boost if i can just land a combo right after

[floral trellis]

i think it reads as a finisher but it certainly is not

[toxic sphinx]

his teleport is so annoying

[floral trellis]

jason really doesnt need help killing you know lol

[balmy prairie]

yeah haha

[floral trellis]

its kinda his job and all

[balmy prairie]

also changing the direction of the throws is always funny

[floral trellis]

oh yeah. the throw and axe grab. both are really jarring

[balmy prairie]

i don't really like the angle that the axe grab has

it sends them up instead of forward and it's a bit confusing to me

[floral trellis]

its nice off jab jab at low percents

[balmy prairie]

ig

i tend to use it as anti recovery but maybe i'm doing it wrong

i honestly get more damage from the three jabs than actual combos, just tp behind and jab combo, tp again and fair

either that or jab jab neutral, usually works for great damage at mid %

tho they can dodge if they react

[floral trellis]

i have been really favoring jab jab mistwalk into buffered fair. somehow kills at 30-40% off the side for a good chunk of the cast

[balmy prairie]

oh that sounds nasty

definitely trying that one later

[floral trellis]

yeah the miskwalk buffer stuff is crazy.

jab jab mistwalk loops if you manage to keep jason grounded. its really solid

[balmy prairie]

i'm a fan of neutral air too, it doesn't kill but it has a really good hitbox

[floral trellis]

then since you are pushing damage anyway, it can lead to a kill set up

yeah its a good hitbox. one of the few tools jason can use in disadvantage too. i do wish he had a few better tools in disadvantage other than dodge and the occasional mistwalk at the right time

sometimes down special can get you out too at the right time

[balmy prairie]

most of my kills are jab combo and throw them offstage, then up air/ up air special if they're recovering high or neutral attack if they're recovering forward, if they go below ledge just tp behind them and fair/down air and that's usually good for a KO at any %

[floral trellis]

yeah that is the core kill stuff. I have largely ditched the jab jab throw in favor of mistwalk set ups

its just too good not to use. and jab jab mistwalk kills majority of the cast at 80 off the side. except on the batcave cuz batcave cars are crazy

[balmy prairie]

i mean you can actually use the throw against the cars lol

[floral trellis]

yeah that is what i changed too lol

its good for that. axe throw actually puts them even more offstage which is cool for the dair pressure. i love that

both throws are good on batcave for sure

[balmy prairie]

agree

the map i struggle the most in is townsville, mojo jojo messes everything up

[floral trellis]

ugh that map just suuuuuucks

but thats the stage hazard problem

[balmy prairie]

but his voicelines are hillarious so i don't mind

[floral trellis]

and we are huge 😦

i actually low key love the magnet tho

its like the kirby dreamland tree wind

[balmy prairie]

yeah magnet is great for assassins and tanks

but the bombs favor the mages and the speedsters like harley and bugs so that sucks

anubis is 50/50 because it really depends if it spawns right on top of you or on the other side of the map

[hidden tide]

ch-ch-ch-ma-ma-ma

[round depot]

whazzuuuuuuup (hi jason chat)

[short grove]

Anybody know what his in game weight is?

[rocky pond]

WAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

[round depot]

WHAZZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP

[eager temple]

On god

[round depot]

imo townsville shouldnt be in rotation, or give an option to when matchmaking exclude stage gimmicks

[balmy cloak]

do any jason mains wanna be the first people to join my multiversus discord dm me if so

[spare basin]

Actual bot

[balmy cloak]

no i’m not

i just wanna grow my server

[eager temple]

An MVS server dedicated to Jason would be cool

[round depot]

call it the lake or sumn lol

[eager temple]

Yeah lol

[rocky pond]

“Camp Crystal Lake”

[round depot]

true

[balmy prairie]

call it California Girls

we'd be unforgettable

[tranquil zinc]

bro i'm only playing agaisn't bugs and harleys this feels miserable

i won 2 times agaisn't a harley that had 1k wins it felt miserable but also cool

[round depot]

make it a sticker/emoji

[spare basin]

Not dedicated to Jason though because he sent that message in all character channels

[cloud isle]

I found a typo

For the resurrectionist

[tranquil zinc]

11% recent wins goes hard

[idle egret]

god i would give up both of my legs for a California Girls emote for jason

[inner lodge]

Whatcha got? I noticed that his down attack (both ground and air) have 2 separate names listed, as though the devs were still deciding at launch haha

[hidden rivet]

How do you check wr?

[tranquil zinc]

career

[hidden rivet]

Hmm

90% wr. Not bad😂

Also not playing Jason though

[buoyant adder]

My people

[spare basin]

This game is FULL of typos

This is NOT a full release viable game

The beta was closer to a full release lmao

The beta was so much more polished this is genuinely sad

[cloud isle]

Ah

[zinc fog]

I think Jadon need a buff in some ability like the invulnerability that he don’t need to take damage to activate

[dense sun]

Jason Signature Perks, is it really worth picking something that isn't the 5% one?

Monstrous Sidestep: Countereable if opponent notices
Resurrection: Literally kills you even before a Ringout could happen

[zinc fog]

That’s two perks are really bad

[dense sun]

So... just stick to the default one, nice

[zinc fog]

I use de 5%

[dense sun]

Yeah, me too, but I'm trying to figure out best perks for 1v1 since the amount of perks from beta to launch decreased so much

[zinc fog]

Because if you use Mounstrous Sidestep te people will know you are going behind them

[dense sun]

Have you done any study of the best perks in 1v1?

[zinc fog]

No I use default

[scenic bough]

can Mounstrous Sidestep be used instead as a combo tool?

I can see it being very useful in 2v2 too

[zinc fog]

Remember the teleport have a blank time

You cannot teleport an instant hit

[dense sun]

That would make Jason a 1 good signature perk character

[scenic bough]

I would need to lab it but maybe with enough knockback you would be able to chase teleport that way

and have just enough time mayyybe

[zinc fog]

I want that Jason wen he is doing a animation can not be stop like in te movies

But it’s goin to be broke

[scenic bough]

technically you can with gray HP but yeah...

[dense sun]

Well, you can, unless the attack does more than 20HP, right?

[zinc fog]

But you loss some hp

[dense sun]

Or it is an armor break

[scenic bough]

HP is a resource after all

[zinc fog]

Yes but Wonder Woman have like the same ability an she don’t take damage

[balmy prairie]

gray health is not the same as a shield
it's just that jason treats gray health as a shield, but for all effects it's not armour

[dense sun]

But armor breaks do make him stagger when gray health

[zinc fog]

I know but he is a tank and his ability as tank are not to good

[balmy prairie]

they are, but it requires a bit of getting used to

[zinc fog]

Hmm idk

[balmy prairie]

the thing with jason is that he's slow but he hits hard

if you land a hit, congratulations your enemy is now heavily damaged
if you miss, here comes the punish

[scenic bough]

tbf I also dont see him as a tank he fits way more like... a Bruiser, literally, very

[balmy prairie]

i agree

[zinc fog]

You are right in that part

[balmy prairie]

i believe he's only classified as tank for his weight

[dense sun]

weight is a thing in this game anymore?

[balmy prairie]

is it not?

[zinc fog]

He is a thank for the ability

[balmy prairie]

it certainly feels like he's heavier

[dense sun]

Almost all the characters can be ringed out from corner to corner with less than 110%

[balmy prairie]

at least i've seen him survive mojo jojo's laser at 80 hp while harley at 50 did not

[scenic bough]

wait WHAT, there is no weight?

[zinc fog]

Is because he is slow and have less jump than shaggy

[balmy prairie]

not in terms of movement, i feel like he takes reduced knockback

compared to lighter characters like bugs or harley

superman is the same, which is why superman is a tank aswell

[zinc fog]

but if you fight with a good Harley you are dead

[balmy prairie]

up special outranges almost everything she has

glove is the only move that harley can always hit without punish

since glove outranges everything jason has

[dense sun]

And I don't really know when to use the sleeping bag attack, ngl

[balmy prairie]

combos

jab jab sleeping bag

[dense sun]

Yeah, but it is pretty much useless

[balmy prairie]

if you press the normal attack once before throwing, you get a bit of damage

or you can just walk around with it before throwing, guarantees you get them off stage

[zinc fog]

He need ability or perk that make Jason take 75% of the damage taken.

[balmy prairie]

lmao no

that would make him even more op than he already is

[zinc fog]

He is not to strong

[balmy prairie]

he is in the right hands

[zinc fog]

He is not op

Cap

[balmy prairie]

jab jab tp is literally an infinite combo

as long as he remains grounded

otherwise he has great kill potential on the air

up air special or just forward air special land huge blows

[zinc fog]

Like other he is not special

[scenic bough]

oh nice TP combos already then

[balmy prairie]

yep

[dense sun]

Don't really know if he's op or not, but fun to play for sure

[balmy prairie]

jab jab tp, then since you are right next to them again, repeat the combo

[zinc fog]

If the other person know you cannot do nothin with the tp

[balmy prairie]

mind games

if they predict one tp, just do it again lmao

[scenic bough]

well I didnt WANT an infinite XD guess they will nerf that

[zinc fog]

He is a thank

[balmy prairie]

a thank

thick tank

[zinc fog]

he need a buff ability like a thank

[fair ridge]

Trash character

[balmy prairie]

great character

[zinc fog]

I play it because a like Jason not because he can have a great rate win

[balmy prairie]

the only consistent counters seem to be wonder woman and steven, and even then steven can get caught off guard by the up special

and harleys who know how to glove

[scenic bough]

history messages point to bait, don't engage

[zinc fog]

Idk I play with a Steven and win

[dense sun]

just tested, jab jab sleeping bag is actually not dodgeable, but almost 100% parry xD

[balmy prairie]

i see, i haven't seen many parries yet

[dense sun]

Literally Jason against jason right now, 3 parries in a row just like that xDD

[zinc fog]

But I think is difícil with douse that have a good movement

[dense sun]

"dificil" douh, spanish autocorrector xD

[scenic bough]

I am so glad to hear this, cause otherwise sleepbag feels so meme to actually use and catch someone with xD

[zinc fog]

Wen you use jab jab the enemies cannot run

[balmy prairie]

exactly

jab jab enables pretty much every combo and is super easy to hit

[zinc fog]

Yes

[scenic bough]

if infinite combo TP is true then it will most likely sadly get nerfed

[balmy prairie]

a great one i've seen is jab jab down fair

[zinc fog]

I think the best is jab jab teleport

[balmy prairie]

but yeah tp deals too much knockback atm

[zinc fog]

Is for that

[balmy prairie]

feels weird to get flung so far by a little bit of mist

[scenic bough]

I expected the TP instead to stun on arrival, not on start

it is a weird choice

[zinc fog]

Another thing I use is the gray live and try to take them with the teleport

[balmy prairie]

on arrival would be too op with the tp perk

you'd pretty much always stun

[scenic bough]

...right : P true that

was thinking just thematically XD not gameplay wise

[balmy prairie]

i wish they didn't remove like 80% of the perks in the game because every perk set is now always the same

[scenic bough]

perks are extremely uninspired indeed

[zinc fog]

The tp is good but I thin that the sleeping bag grab everything like Jake’s ability

[balmy prairie]

like the team perks are so dumb, i alternate between snowball and projectile shield but that's it honestly

[zinc fog]

He is new I think

[scenic bough]

(and the Resurrection specific one is just plain broken and bad c_C )

[balmy prairie]

broken?

[scenic bough]

ah I meant the non character ones

[balmy prairie]

i have not found a single use for ressurectionist

[zinc fog]

Me two

[scenic bough]

it kills you before actual blastline, so yes, totally useless and broken

[balmy prairie]

it's only good for ruining people's clips

[zinc fog]

And doge what

[hazy portal]

how does jason play against morty projectiles or any numerous projectiles for that matter

[spare basin]

He doesn't

Actually maybe his dash attack

It might break projectiles

Not sure

Could also use side special to teleport up next to them and try to hit them from there

[hazy portal]

yeah i think he struggles vs chars like morty because of it

[spare basin]

Or just dodge through 🤷‍♂️

[hazy portal]

predictable if done wrong

[spare basin]

Shaggy had the same issue in the beta and it's probably worse now since he doesn't really have his super sandwich anymore

[spare basin]

Yeah

[hazy portal]

think many people are getting used to side special lately

especially after he teleports

[spare basin]

Most Jason players run the perk that teleports them right behind you which is super predictable

Literally just use any attack that covers your back and they're screwed

[hazy portal]

i figured

that's why i just use 5% lol

[spare basin]

Useless perk

I'd use resurrectionist

It sucks

But it's better than making one of your specials practically worthless

And 5% damage boost is meaningless, you deal 1 extra damage every 3 or 4 hits

[hazy portal]

the revival... disappointed me so bad

like i read it wrong and thought it meant you get it on each stock after each ringout

not just the first one

that would've been soooo nice

[spare basin]

It would've been kinda OP tbh

[hazy portal]

a bit

but either way the counterplay is just to camp them out LOL until it expires

[tribal flume]

Bro i just stumbled upon the Dtilt launch tech by accident

And that stuff is funny as hell

[hazy portal]

the wHat

[tribal flume]

Imma make a quick video wait

[dense sun]

Hello, where did I sent it then lol

[hexed jacinth]

what does jason get off grounded up b at low %?

[dense sun]

Here:

https://streamable.com/4a95uu

I sent it on Netcode lol, was exploring channels

[west cloak]

Neutral attack from what I’ve heard

Idk if it’s real or not tho. Haven’t tried it myself

[dense sun]

Don't really know if it will be useful @tribal flume , but funny asf

[hexed jacinth]

its not true at least on shaggy starting at 0

[west cloak]

I heard it was after the jab jab dtilt up b combo

Idk what percent that leaves the opponent at, but I heard you could continue the combo with neutral attack

My guess is that it’s fake

[hexed jacinth]

i managed to get it to work, leaves shaggy at 33

[west cloak]

It being the neutral attack extension

Unless your message is confirming that neutral attack works

[hexed jacinth]

it seems to work

[west cloak]

Wack

[hexed jacinth]

looks very sketchy tho

[west cloak]

I mean, if it works it works

I’m guessing Jason doesn’t have any combos into aerial neutral b

The command grab

[hexed jacinth]

stops working around 30

[west cloak]

Alright

[tranquil zinc]

i am so bad at this game it's unreal

[west cloak]

Jason is just harder to use in general because he’s so slow

You need to really get in your opponent’s head and use his range to wall them out

You’ll absolutely get rushed down by several characters who are significantly faster like Shaggy, Harley, Taz, Bugs, etc

[inner lodge]

Yeah I don’t think he’s so much about combos in general. More about catching people out with his big hit boxes

[queen rivet]

I think Jason is pretty good he is just a grappler

[west cloak]

So you need to punish their approaches with retreating aerials and call out their air dodges with beefy moves

[inner lodge]

And using gray health to set up easy charge attacks

[queen rivet]

Big hard and slow

[west cloak]

Yeah unsuspecting people will mindlessly press into you when you have gray health

And you can destroy them for it

[queen rivet]

His toolkit is utilizing his attacks to punish stupid moves and use side special to confuse and fake them out

[tribal flume]

Guys

https://x.com/BlasterZKO/status/1796339744311480808?t=cEoiP8j9PWWcuHpuuly4Zw&s=19

This could be big

As hell

LMAO

Do people already know about this?

LOOOL

[queen rivet]

Oh yeah

[hexed jacinth]

dunno where that would be applicable

[queen rivet]

Has anyone else run into the bug with velma

[hexed jacinth]

esp in 1s

[west cloak]

I haven’t seen that before. It’s funny, but probably won’t be useful due to the long setup

[tribal flume]

For funs, super niche but fun as hell

I did it in jason mirror

[queen rivet]

Cause I was playing locals with my guy and he hit me with jab and I got stuck in his character model

[swift marlin]

rocket propelled serial killer

[hexed jacinth]

i wonder if up diagonal dodge > aerial up b would be good for reads?

[tribal flume]

Bro you can actually go zooming offstage into his neutral air special command grab

Or into side B back to wall with the active hitbox

Or down special semispiking offstage

Or you could just airdodge back and not press anything force a reaction

Because its telegraphed it makes it kinda obvious. You can just mix it up tho

[west cloak]

The aerial command grab in general for me has been too slow to be useful

[tribal flume]

Not if you start the move on the other side of the map

Where you cant be hit

[west cloak]

Its only use is like an airdodge in read after grounded up b

[west cloak]

And neither can your opponent ☠️

[tribal flume]

Its really good if you got a parry masher

Because of the delayed timing

Plus on parry they stay in place

Also deals hella damage

[west cloak]

Yeah I know it deals mad damage

But it’s so slow that I haven’t found it helpful 99% of the time

Maybe as wall pressure?

[queen rivet]

Yes but counter point

It's funnny

[crystal timber]

Man of culture fellow Giant and Jason player myself. Made it around the 150-250 range on leaderboards on beta don’t really remember cause I stopped playing when gizmo dropped.

[west cloak]

Oh I agree. Jason is a very funny character indeed

[crystal timber]

I’ve noticed this aswell but no idea how to replicate it.

[queen rivet]

I love him so much

Silly machete man

The moonwalking emote is a NEED not a want

[west cloak]

That one is in the battle pass, right?

[queen rivet]

Yeah

Which we get for free which is dope

[west cloak]

I can already see clips of people moonwalking into stupid cheesy kill

It’s definitely gonna happen

[queen rivet]

I am going to command grab off stage kill then go back to stage and moonwalk

I will lose many a game trying to do this

[tranquil zinc]

i just won agaisn'1t this joker without him hitting me once in 2 downs i made to him

sometimes i get absolutely bodied as jason then these things happen

[west cloak]

Yeah Jason is very polarizing

[hexed jacinth]

feast or famine character

[west cloak]

You kill mad early, but you also get comboed to all hell and have no way to get opponents off you

He’s like Ganon in Smash

Horribly slow movement, poor frame data, but you kill stupid early and have good range

[inner lodge]

At least Jason also had a surprisingly large, if niche moveset. I enjoy how many tools he has

[queen rivet]

Funny teleport

[west cloak]

Oh don’t get me wrong. I’m not comparing Jason to Ganon to say he’s not fun

Ganon and Jason are some of the most fun in their respective games

Jason dittos are great and most Jason players seem like chads

But like there’s no way Jason is viable at top level competitive play, especially when people learn to parry more and optimize their combo games

[river cove]

Hoping ranked games soon so I don’t have to keep fighting 2 button Jason’s

[west cloak]

Ranked should’ve been here day 1

Kinda disappointing it’s not

[queen rivet]

Yeah he is fine. Just nothing crazy

Unfortunantly all of my characters must suck as I am not an icky player

[west cloak]

I just hope that your rank MMR is completely separate on a character by character basis

[queen rivet]

Won't matter they nerfed all of my other characters from the beta

[west cloak]

Like if I wanna try out a character like say T&J and I stuck with them, I don’t want that to tank my MMR for my other characters

[west cloak]

Who did you play? I’m assuming T&J

[queen rivet]

T&J plus velma

A little bit of batman

[river cove]

Velma was gutted from what I know

[queen rivet]

I think bats is my only decent character

[west cloak]

Yeah I’ve heard Velma was kinda awful rn

[queen rivet]

They didn't even just nerf her they literally changed her moves

[west cloak]

I heard T&J is still good and so is Batman

[queen rivet]

Like this is some crazy hate

[west cloak]

Tbf megaphone was too good

They had to change that move

Megaphone + speech bubbles was so insanely broken for doubles in the beta

[tranquil zinc]

i really also hate how we can't toast back now

[west cloak]

There’s a reason she had the highest pick rate at top level in 2’s

[tranquil zinc]

i only toasted people who toasted me back now i need to remain at the match to wait for people

[west cloak]

You mean if they toast and you leave the menu?

[tranquil zinc]

yeah

[west cloak]

Yeah that is really annoying

Also, the fact that fighter currency is so rare to get is also an issue

Like you can get some by completing single player stuff

[queen rivet]

Yeah

[west cloak]

But you don’t get any for matches unless someone toasts you and you only get 5

And you need 3000 per character

[queen rivet]

Thank god I played the beta. Could you imagine they did the same thing with fighters as they did with perks and cosmetics

[west cloak]

Honestly, toasts should just be unlimited

[queen rivet]

It's fine. I already bought all the characters I want so now I can just sit on a bunch of currency until I want a new one

[west cloak]

If someone is throwing or playing really badly as a partner, I can just choose not to toast them

[queen rivet]

My big complaint is that Jason is battle pass locked

[west cloak]

Yeah thankfully I also played the beta

I hope they don’t completely lock characters to never be able to be unlocked behind stuff like seasonal challenges and battle passes

[queen rivet]

Like I have him so it doesn't effect me for now but the they are gonna add ben 10 or something and be Like "nope battle pass only" (please PLEASE just add ben)

[west cloak]

Ben 10 is a pretty highly requested character from what I’ve heard

I’m sure he’ll eventually get added

[tranquil zinc]

i wish we could also send images

[queen rivet]

I hate banana gaurd

WHY is he so good

[west cloak]

They were cooking a little too hard with Banana Guard

[queen rivet]

He just isn't fun

[west cloak]

He’s like what if a joke character was brain dead easy and also insanely strong

[queen rivet]

He isnt interesting noone wanted him and he does 30 per hit like why

[west cloak]

His side b is way too strong

Insane priority and it kills at like 60 with his buff

[queen rivet]

And I don't know why we need a joke character. Like we have Tom and freaking jerry. This is multiversus. He isn't needed

[west cloak]

Nah I can totally get having a joke character

[queen rivet]

Plus. Stop. Adding. ADVENTURE TIME CHARACTERS

[west cloak]

Banana Guard was kind of a passion project from the devs because they wanted to add him

But like he’s definitely overtuned

[queen rivet]

Like we LITERALLY have Dexter's lab as a stage where is dexter. Or the powerpuffs

[west cloak]

Jason may have a ton of kill power and range, but he’s balanced by being slower than a salted snail and combo food for everyone

[tranquil zinc]

i also don't know how people use jason mist as a way to play neutral

[west cloak]

They’re leaked I’ve heard

[tranquil zinc]

i hear that everywhere but it's too slow for me

[queen rivet]

Wdym

[tranquil zinc]

i just get punished for using it

[queen rivet]

PLEASE

[queen rivet]

Use it as a movement tool, especially to punisb projectiles

[tranquil zinc]

thats the way i use it yeah

[west cloak]

Idk when they’re being added officially, but probably not until after Agent Smith

[queen rivet]

Isn't agent Smith already out he just has to be unlocked

[west cloak]

No

[queen rivet]

Huh

[west cloak]

He’s not even in the character select yet

[queen rivet]

I just want more character variety

[west cloak]

I imagine this is so no one can crack the game and play as him

[rotund shell]

You physically can't get enough points to unlock him so there's no point

[west cloak]

Yeah, that’s why he’s not even in the character select screen

They know you can’t get enough points for him until like mid June

[queen rivet]

Eh. I don't really care about him that much but I think it's cool he is here

It's better than the joker. Again

[rotund shell]

Then what character variety are you looking for

[west cloak]

I saw someone posted his voice lines that I think were ripped from the game

[tranquil zinc]

this superman thinks he is still in beta to be depleting his meter like that lmao

he comboed me a bit but when the bar was over i just ringed him out easily

[queen rivet]

He is the character variety. Just because I don't particularly care for him doesn't mean I think he shouldn't be in the game.

He is a cool addition I'm interested to see what he can do

[rotund shell]

He's likely gonna have a clone special

[queen rivet]

That would be really cool

[rotund shell]

That should have multiple charges and a cooldown

[queen rivet]

True

[vernal hare]

this characters pretty popular huh?

[queen rivet]

Yeah he is very fun

[vernal hare]

do you all think this is gonna stick or will he fizzle out in popularity in a week or 2

i agree he is very fun

[queen rivet]

I don't know

Probably fizzle out fairly soon

[knotty knoll]

i dont think he'll lose popularity because he's actually pretty viable

[west cloak]

I’d hope it would be more viable than Steven’s melon clone

[queen rivet]

I might stick with him though he is pretty fun. But I can only play so many characters and I do love bats

[vernal hare]

im stuck between rick, jason, and badam

[west cloak]

Jason is like the Ganon of Multiversus. He’s really slow, hits really hard, is unviable at top level, but he’s always gonna be a fan favorite

[vernal hare]

and he cant get back on stage easy but he wont die either

so youre stuck up airing for a while till u finally die

up special

[west cloak]

Jason is gonna be like bottom 5 in 1v1 and probably mid tier in 2v2 at high/top level

[tranquil zinc]

i pretty much agree with this

[knotty knoll]

he gets bullied hard agaisnt characters like arya and finn tho, you gotta be really good to just keep parrying them and punishing

[tranquil zinc]

that's the only reason i play him lmao i just get bodied by any competent player on a top tier character

[west cloak]

Yeah Jason is gonna be really reliant on parry to stop people from bullying him

[tranquil zinc]

if it wasn't my boy jason i would still stick with garnet

[west cloak]

Harley, Bugs, Shaggy, Taz, and a few others are pretty rough for Jason

They just run circles around him

At least competent players

[tranquil zinc]

don't even start man i have ptsd from playing agaisn't harleys and bugs

[west cloak]

Jason is like a top tier at low level lmao

[tranquil zinc]

the voices are too much

[vernal hare]

i cant wait for ranked

[west cloak]

Bugs and Harley are absolutely insane rn. And so is Wonder Woman

Those 3 are definitely top 3

[tranquil zinc]

i didn't fight agaisn't any decent wonder woman still

[vernal hare]

fighting harley as rick and hearing "im gonna shove dat portal gun whe'ya da SUN DONT SHINE!!" 20 billion times a session

[west cloak]

The universal nerf to armor breaking moves really benefits WW

[vernal hare]

armor breaking perk loadout 2:

[west cloak]

And especially since Jason doesn’t have any armor breaking moves that aren’t grabs

[brave talon]

why the hell is tom and jerry matchup so hard

[tranquil zinc]

projectiles ig

tom is also hellish

[west cloak]

The two armor breaking perks don’t really help Jason

[tranquil zinc]

it always was even from when i played the beta as garnet tbh

[west cloak]

One only affects fully changed moves (you’ll almost never land those as Jason and he also has no chargeable aerials), and the other requires you to hit characters with armor. Sure you’ll stop them from being able to use armor for a little while, but you’re also gonna lose the trade and eat a ton of damage

[west cloak]

The matchup is unwinnable unless you have the perk that breaks projectiles after moving on the ground for 0.5 seconds

[tranquil zinc]

i played agaisn't a 2k win tom once and i was happy i could ring him out once

as jason ofc

i wasn't using that perk

but now i have a specific perk build solely for finding a tom

[west cloak]

I played too many characters in the beta to have 2k wins on one of them

[west cloak]

It’s also useful against Lebron who has an infinite with his basket balls

For some reason, they changed how projectiles work

You can get hit by the same projectile twice if you either hit a wall or another projectile

[tranquil zinc]

double dipping projectiles lmao

[west cloak]

This allows things like double bugs safe to also infinite people

It’s funny to see it happen

But there’s no way it’s intended

[brave talon]

we need a matchup chart

[tranquil zinc]

this tbh^

[west cloak]

They need to make it so you can’t get hit by the same projectile twice if you’re still in hitstun

[tranquil zinc]

bugs and harley is at the top that's the first decision

nightmare fuel matchup

[brave talon]

cause i feel like we have some easy matchups

[west cloak]

I’ll be honest, I don’t know who Jason actually wins against besides like Velma and Iron Giant in 1v1

[tranquil zinc]

i also got absolutely destroyed agaisn't an iron giant once i didn't know what to do

he was just comboing me

and uuuuh i got one ring out

[west cloak]

Iron Giant is like Jason

You’ll just explode if you don’t know the matchup

[tranquil zinc]

i see

[west cloak]

If you know the matchup, you can punish IG because he’s even slower than Jason

[brave talon]

i feel like i always beat ricks?

[knotty knoll]

i hope they make the next giant characters somewhat reliable because iron giant moveset sucks

[west cloak]

I haven’t seen Rick even once, so I don’t have an opinion on the matter

[knotty knoll]

the only decent things from him is his up special and down special, his command grab is extremely situational

[tranquil zinc]

i saw one rick once but i just bodied him because he didn't knew how my character works ofc

[west cloak]

Doesn’t his command grab have armor now?

[knotty knoll]

only when the windup ends and it starts hitting opponents, which is a window of a half second

maybe less

[west cloak]

Oh

[knotty knoll]

if he had an advantage were his armor starts sooner then it would be a reliable ability

but its mostly useless

and the reward for hitting it isnt even that great

[brave talon]

Arya - Negative
Banana Guard - Negative+
Batman - Neutral
Black Adam - ???
Bugs - Negative
Finn - Neutral?
Garnet - ???
Gizmo - ??? (Prob Positive)
Harley - We Die
Iron Giant - Positive
Jake - Negative
Jason - Neutral
Lebron - ???
Marvin - ???
Morty - Neutral?
Reindog - as a former reindog main, feels negative asf
Rick - Feels Positive
Shaggy - Negative
Steven - Positive
Stripe - Negative
Superman - ???
Tazz - Negative
Joker - Negative
Tom - Hell
Velma - Positive
Wonder Woman - Negative

thats my opinion

[west cloak]

You can’t go for command grab into fully charged utilt anymore?

[brave talon]

i feel like Bg is only negative cause hes weirdly janky and broken

[west cloak]

I can agree with this. And joker definitely wins against Jason too

[knotty knoll]

sometimes its possible to throw them up with full force, and sometimes they randomly escape your grasp, idk why but his grab is weird

[brave talon]

if yall have suggestions lemme know and ill fix it

[knotty knoll]

i picked up a garnet yesterday and she instantly left my grasp

[west cloak]

That’s weird

Maybe rollback?

[knotty knoll]

i have footage of it happening

didnt felt like rollback

[west cloak]

Hmm

[knotty knoll]

she really just popped out of my hand

[west cloak]

Wack

[west cloak]

BG is way too good with his buff

[knotty knoll]

bruh no one have image perms in this community, huge bs

are the mods afraid of doing their work or some shite

[west cloak]

He’s literally Shaggy with range

[brave talon]

his hitboxes are just absolutely wack

his spear rush hits above him for whatever reason

[west cloak]

Yeah it’s stupidly disjointed and for some reason kills at 60 when buffed

[knotty knoll]

he needs everything he currently has tbh, he looks like that one case that if he gets a tiny bit nerfed the character gets useless

[west cloak]

You can only post images/videos in certain channels

Otherwise you need to link something like a YouTube vid, streamable link, or something

[knotty knoll]

https://outplayed.tv/media/8zX2Rd

here then

[west cloak]

Oh what that’s really weird

The Garnet escapes with like 80% of the bar left

That has to be a bug

[knotty knoll]

yea it didnt feel natural to happen

[brave talon]

actually i feel arya is neutral

she dies really early

and if you bait punish her shes just useless

[west cloak]

I feel like Jason in general absolutely farms at lower level

Like anyone who either doesn’t know the matchup or is just not a high level player can absolutely get blown up by Jason

I’m not saying you’re low level btw. Idk what skill level you are

But big slow characters are never viable at high level unless they have some mechanic that’s absurdly broken which Jason doesn’t

The faster hit and run characters are always more viable

I feel like Arya players are still just trying to fish for the same up b uair combo they’ve been trying to fish for since the beta

And it doesn’t work on DI out allowing Jason to reversal with his own up b and kill absurdly early

[knotty knoll]

i remember i could counter arya teleport with jake down special

[west cloak]

Arya players need to learn to just go for up b sair instead

[west cloak]

That move was a war crime

Like Jake’s down b had no right being a projectile refelector

[knotty knoll]

it had the most priority over everyone, back then lol

[west cloak]

Yeah and you couldn’t hit Jake because the opponent would just bounce off

[knotty knoll]

i feel like he completely needs it tbh, even more now considering the deplorable state player first left him at

[west cloak]

Literally unpunishable lmao

[knotty knoll]

you'd bounce off if you used the wrong attack and being above him, very situational

[west cloak]

Nah let that move just be bad like Kirby down b

[west cloak]

Considering many characters in the beta would fish for dair combo starters, it wasn’t very situational. It was pretty common

[knotty knoll]

you cant bouce off his sides, only his top

idk what you are talking about

[west cloak]

You’d bounce if you were airborne

At least I always would as Shaggy

[knotty knoll]

everyone would

his deflect gave me some insane clips on beta

[west cloak]

Shaggy’s only good ground normal in the beta was jab

And I guess dtilt but then it got hella nerfed and became unusable

His side b made him airborne even if done on the ground

[knotty knoll]

https://outplayed.tv/media/g7xXnW

[west cloak]

Honestly, all they need to do to make Jake more viable is to increase the range on some of his stretchy arm attacks and increase the bounce velocity on up b and down b for edgeguards

[knotty knoll]

he's just slow asf that's his issue, they need to patch that and remove his limb hurtboxes

[west cloak]

Maybe let him also bounce characters from the sides, but you can hit him

[west cloak]

Every character has this issue tbh

You can get clipped by your finger and take full knockback

[knotty knoll]

no i played as finn then jake, the difference is abysmal

after i went to jake i felt like i was playing with 10 kilos of cement on my back

[west cloak]

Jason sair is not nearly as disjointed as you’d think because he sticks his arm out really far

[west cloak]

You mean like his movement speed?

[knotty knoll]

he the amount of times a jason would outrange my long punch with his wair special and hit me is ridiculous

[knotty knoll]

movement speed, and the lag input delay on his attacks, they take like a half second to start

his long punch feels like a whole second to begin

[west cloak]

I think every character should have their hurtboxes removed on their hands

And feet

It’s too easy to get clipped by the smallest margin and just lose your entire advantage

Either that or characters need to have moves with partial intangibility

[knotty knoll]

yep

[west cloak]

Similarly to how Smash handles it

Intangible limbs on certain attacks what whatnot

[knotty knoll]

killing someone by hitting their attack really feels like bs

[west cloak]

Yeah it doesn’t feel good

[knotty knoll]

instead of trading hits it should trigger a clash or something, i dont like dying because my enemy hit me the same time i hit him but because of our positions in the battlefield he goes out alive

[inner lodge]

Yeah in general, how hits trade feels pretty weird right now. A bit too much of characters bouncing off each other

[knotty knoll]

it doesnt even bounce, depending on your damage bar you are dead, and it isnt your fault, because the mf you hit knew you were releasing the punch and just attacked sooner so that you die and he doesnt, jake is terrible

[queen drum]

I wonder how this game would work with smash bros clank mechanic. like if my ww sword hits Jason side air we should both bounce back a lil n not take damage

[tranquil zinc]

i agree pretty much

[brave talon]

well batman matchup is something

[tranquil zinc]

you can bait the armor breaking moves from shaggy easily too

[balmy cloak]

anyone tryna join my multiversus discord i need more never so we can look for matches

[queen drum]

am I tripping or can u turn around the throw ender of side attack?

[inner lodge]

I don't know if you can throw backwards, but in general you can switch direction between each attack during side attack combo

That's for every fighter, as far as I can tell

[queen drum]

nah I mean like grab the opponent on 1 side and then turn around and throw them the other way during the animation. no right?

[inner lodge]

I don't think so? I was trying to do that before myself, and couldn't make it happen

[tranquil zinc]

you mean the jab combo?

if that one yes you can turn around and throw the other way

i wish jasons grabs were a lot better to use tbh

the bodybag is awful and does mediocre damage and huge recovery if you miss and air grab is so mid

his only good grab is up special

grounded

[inner lodge]

Yeah his ground down special feels like more of a gimmick tbh. Maybe it's more useful in 2v2 though

[tranquil zinc]

the only good part about it is hitting the other person with it on 2s or getting two people at the same time

it's pretty much just a 2s ability

you'll never use it in 1s

[tranquil zinc]

and i don't even know how better it is in 2s since i don't play 2s

[tribal flume]

tom and jerry utilt is my greatest enemy

[tranquil zinc]

relatable

[knotty knoll]

i just fought against one, they are troublesome for jasons but i still won, lol

[inner lodge]

I think Jason is gonna struggle against ranged characters in general

[knotty knoll]

yea i got f*cked by harley quinns

they are mostly unbeatable no matter how good you are, their characters simply is better

[inner lodge]

I dunno, I went against a Jason earlier as Batman, and this guy was pulling off some crazy combos on me haha

But it did definitely feel like I had the natural advantage

[knotty knoll]

batman isnt hard to go against

characters like harley and tom specifically are the hard ones

[tranquil zinc]

harley, tom, joker, bugs, if they have some braincells it's over on character select
maybe even finn

banana guard too

there are so many characters that can combo so easily in this game and punish the tanks

that it feels awful whenever you play agaisn't these characters

[knotty knoll]

eh kinda, the ones i went against are mostly hit and runners, they dont try to face you headfirst, their IQ is depleted once you stop attacking them and they are left with no choice but to attack you lol

one BG was edge guarding me by spamming down special and dodging backwards so that i couldnt get him while returning

[tranquil zinc]

in these situations you can just up special pretty easily

i do this and it's so funny

[knotty knoll]

i just said i was doing it but he would dodge backwards and return hitting me

[tranquil zinc]

oh right

[knotty knoll]

he was great at edge guarding

[tranquil zinc]

yeah accurate

[inner lodge]

Oh yeah, Jason's air up special comes out super fast, and has a pretty crazy hitbox

[knotty knoll]

he was stabbing the ground, dodging, stabbing the ground, dodging and so on

and when i finally caught him he jumped up and stabbed down, spiking me lol

there was no way to outplay

[eager salmon]

just lost to a jason, definetly a not knowing the matchup issue. hes kinda gimmicky. and i think destroys at lower level but im not sure if he will do well in comp

[tranquil zinc]

yeah just regular jason experience i'd say. if they know your gimmicks it's over

[eager salmon]

jesus he can kill early tho lol

[tranquil zinc]

pretty sure jason will be bottom tier at 1s and mid in 2s

[knotty knoll]

works on some characters, some dodge mid combo idfk how

did multiple times against a tom, then a harley would always dodge out of it

[tranquil zinc]

the noob stomping as jason is so real tho i could ringout a guy 2 times without him even landing a hit on me

[knotty knoll]

yea jason is a noob destroyer

[tranquil zinc]

same man that feels so inconsistent

[knotty knoll]

jake can also early kill depending on how he positions the opponent on his stretch ability

[tranquil zinc]

and probably arya but i didn't play agaisn't good aryas until now

[knotty knoll]

me too, they are sorta a rare find

[tranquil zinc]

i'm pretty sure she has 2 armor breaking moves right?

[knotty knoll]

the side special were she spins has a purple effect on it ig

[inner lodge]

Yeah she has spinny side special, and her down special makes her next attack break armor

[tranquil zinc]

yeah these ones

[inner lodge]

As a pretty hardcore Arya main from beta...I'm pretty much avoiding her until she gets some changes

[tranquil zinc]

i don't really know the state of other characters rn besides my boy jason

[knotty knoll]

jake is deplorable