Wonder Woman

[tidal sapphire]

Both her and steven shouldn't have the weight of jason or superman

I'm not saying give anyone beta speed, but the movement overall could be 10 percent faster

[sturdy citrus]

when I'm in a drop my controller competition and my opponent is anyone after getting hit by ww utilt

[agile hamlet]

how is this "this content is blocked in this server" character not gutted yet

[tidal sapphire]

wait till tuesday. probably not gutted, but big nerfs

[pine gull]

Expecting a fair nerf and probably some other knockback changes

[gleaming pier]

Why do the character have to be gutted and put her back in tune with the rest of the cast

[violet mason]

Ww aint even allat

Yall jus gotta get gud

She has no big combos

So to make up for that she has good hitboxes

Idk why yall complainin

Like if ur getting hit log off

[humble frigate]

Yeah also she lacks projectiles, she needs something like morty's stun gun to finally be a good character

[violet mason]

Nah fr

[agile hamlet]

she doesn't need them

[agile hamlet]

also doesn't need them lol

[humble frigate]

Yeah it's a joke, she's broken af

[agile hamlet]

Banana Guard has no projectiles

[humble frigate]

We all know that, I'm just waiting till the team does to her a ''Jake on release''

[agile hamlet]

it's a joke that a character with such high damage, speed also gets to have shields at every possible move

I understand they had to rework her

she was meant to be support

but jesus

[dense plover]

I mean she pretty much plays exactly the same except now her sword isn't actually make out of a wet strand of spaghetti

it's probably mostly down to the new trading system and obscene stats that makes her busted

[lilac cosmos]

WW is so free 😭
I literally can't lose and I'm just mashing buttons

I don't even know what attack does what

All I know is dtilt is a free kill at any %

[sturdy citrus]

except the combos she does have kill you at 30

this is a ladder combo game and ww has the best ones atm since harley got put in the gutter

utilt up b up b and dair uair uair up b are still very real, very true and kill starting at 30 on some chars

[lilac cosmos]

I mean Joker has multiple true 0tds that ladder you and Shaggys whole combo game is ladder combos rn

[sturdy citrus]

shaggy ladders arent true and joker ladders are di dependent iirc

[obsidian ermine]

#clips message

[cobalt path]

whats good perks for ww?

[tidal sapphire]

ive been running snowball, sometimes swap it out for ignite if my teammate is a projectile character or black adam, last stand cause she lives past 100 easily, and pugilist

sig perk, run whatever works, ive been using default

[gilded dragon]

GOOD RIDDANCE

[pine gull]

It was bound to happen

The giga nerf has arrived

[slim latch]

Yippe

[noble quartz]

How bad is it? I'm at work and can't join the thing

[willow cave]

NOOOOO MY GIRL GOT NERFED😭

[slim latch]

Armor is getting toned down

It’s about time too

[noble quartz]

That's fair tbh

Sair/nair getting touched?

[slim latch]

Idk

[night escarp]

W wonderwoman nerfs

[slim latch]

Probably

[night escarp]

enjoy

[slim latch]

I hope they gut her down tilt

So stupid for edge guarding

[pine gull]

Reduced knockback on the majority of her moves

No more killing at top at 40% no more

[slim latch]

Yippee

[pine gull]

And i think she has more end lag and can be punished easier

[night escarp]

WWWW

[pine gull]

Eh I can get used to it

I do safe stuff anyways I'm chill

[pastel sonnet]

NOOOOO

[night escarp]

yesssss

[pine gull]

I know we got the nerf hammer of the season

[night escarp]

a gift from the gamer gods

[pine gull]

U will still get cooked by a good ww besides the nerf

[gilded dragon]

That was never the issue

The issue was with people just clicking two buttons and ur already near death or already death

WW didn’t need skill until this nerf

[pine gull]

Tru

[candid linden]

Thank god this character got nerfed

[sturdy citrus]

how bad was it chat

[sturdy citrus]

oh so my up air ladders will work for longer? LMAO

[pine gull]

The prob more

They just haven't discussed it yet

[sturdy citrus]

if it's actually just straight knockback adjustments then fair will combo into side special again

[pine gull]

Just the majority of her moves got a reduce in knockback

[pine gull]

There more end lag on her now so don't think that will he true no more

[sturdy citrus]

it might be over

[tidal sapphire]

All the characters who needed nerfs got them. Good changes overall. I just hope they did something about morty dirt

[pine gull]

I still expect ppl to smack talk ww still

[bitter obsidian]

Whoopie🥳🥳🥳

HUGE WW Nerf

[plain fiber]

crushed that our girl got nerfed so hard :/

[bitter obsidian]

It was deserved, just a matter of time

[plain fiber]

true i do think her forward air was too good

and superman side punch

[bitter obsidian]

Her everything was too good

[plain fiber]

and her shield uppercut

[plain fiber]

true LMAO

[bitter obsidian]

She will just me more on par with the rest of the cast

She still has shield and etc

[plain fiber]

good points! im curious about arya and superman too. and finn tbh

[tidal sapphire]

i think black adams damage was overtuned too. gonna have to wait till patch notes to find out if they did anything about that

[plain fiber]

yeah his side attack armor breaker is devastating to tanks and kills quite easily

[sturdy citrus]

here we go

any second now

notable changes

• shout used to be safe on whiff if you had a half bar and charged it all the way, it no longer is. also does less damage and knockback
• up tilt combos 3 frames later
• fair had a knockback buff and a base knocback decrease, should allow it to combo better
• dair's animation issues was fixed
• ground side special loses armour if held for longer than the dash
• grounded up b now starts up later ( 2 frames)
• kb angle on air up b is now diagonal, i think you should still be able to ladder though because you can ladder diagonally with up air. also strts 2 frames later
• armour proc has 33 sec cooldown instead of 28

[cerulean creek]

If I'm being HONEST.

I don't think she'll be that much different

Because none of these changes really NERF her severely

You can't really make her not good

[dense plover]

She was pretty much identical to how she is now in the beta but was like B tier cuz she had zero knock back and did a quarter of the damage, so a ww would hit you with the same combo in the beta for like 20-30 damage as opposed to 50-60 nowadays

But yeah doesn’t really seem like much of anything is gonna change for her

[cerulean creek]

So people still gonna complain unfortunately

[dense plover]

Honestly it’s not too bad, she’s sort of like beta supes

Half the effort double the lethality

At least she still plays the same game as you

Joker is just like allowed to do whatever he wants

[lilac cosmos]

They buffed her a bit to counter the nerfs 😭

[sturdy citrus]

up b might not combo into itself anymore but because it stalls in the air more it might stall more 💀

[lilac cosmos]

"We are aware of Wonder Womans strengths"
proceeds to not nerf her

[cerulean creek]

Up B*

[cerulean creek]

Yea they should've just not done that

[sturdy citrus]

also up air is still just as degenerate as it was before the changes so those ladders defintley still work

[cerulean creek]

Yea usually you weren't really going for up B - up B anyway at lower percents when fishing for ladders so

Unless the diagonal angle just makes it kill slightly later

Also does the utilt nerf remove utilt up B as a confirm?

[sturdy citrus]

probably not

[sturdy citrus]

honestly i see up b double jump side b working now

[cerulean creek]

That's not gonna be a thing

It's still gonna have to be a read

[sturdy citrus]

right now it's less of a read and more of a "does he know" but if the angle is low enough and the stall is long enough I could totally see it working after up b and a double jump

[obsidian ermine]

are you na east or west?

[cerulean creek]

Im east

[obsidian ermine]

oh do you want to try asia to na?

I tried it with TK, he’s west but it wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be

[cerulean creek]

oh sure we can try after this

i just invited someone for a set

[obsidian ermine]

oh not right now sorry lol

like 8 hours from now?

[cerulean creek]

sure just ping me

or dm

[obsidian ermine]

oki

[cerulean creek]

they KILLED utilt - up b

it kills at 150 now..

[pine gull]

Bro all her moves kill kater

Ppl can't be complaining now if they lose to us

Since we got giga nerf to the ground

My combo still works but can't do my ladder combo

[pastel sonnet]

Who’s your pfp? Is it nahobino?

okay nvm probably not lmao

[sturdy citrus]

alear from fe engage

[pastel sonnet]

Oh her . Yeah someone from fe was my next guess

[cerulean creek]

love engage so much

[obsidian ermine]

is wonder woman cooked

[pine gull]

Kinda

But still playable

[cerulean creek]

she kills way later now

outside of jab neutral attack

[pine gull]

Majority of her moves kill at 110 to 130 +

Even side special which is surprising to me

[tidal sapphire]

I only tried her a bit this morning. WWs kit carries people across the stage, I still was able to get early enough kills

shes gotta work a little harder for them, but shes still strong

[obsidian ermine]

I think that’s good

[cerulean creek]

fine with that

[sturdy citrus]

up b up b is still true

and utilt up b is definitely a kill confirm

[obsidian ermine]

at what? 140?

[sturdy citrus]

on top triplat at 40

buttom stage around 80

you just either need to up b up b or up air up b

[tidal sapphire]

the diagonal knockback on air up special doesn't seem to change anything

[sturdy citrus]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's not there

[lilac cosmos]

PFG balancing is acknowledging a character is strong and then letting them off with a warning

[spare flare]

havent seen a single WW since patch. whered yall go?

[tidal sapphire]

I hear jason is the broken one this patch, maybe a bunch moved to him

But I'll cook once I get off work

[sturdy citrus]

im still here

[cerulean creek]

still here!

chillin

[olive sluice]

People on Reddit still thinking she needs more nerfs. Chat, how do we tell the casual playerbase it's a skill issue?

[spare flare]

i have seen alot of jasons but hes definitely not broken

gotta read the opponent

[tidal sapphire]

#clips message

He can do stuff like this apparently

[pine gull]

Existing but ppl are dropping ww I think

[slim wagon]

ngl I'm excited to play WW again after work. Maybe after the nerfs people will chill about quitting games after a single stock

[pine gull]

Still happens for me

Ppl still don't like my ww

[pastel sonnet]

What do yall have for your input buffers? It’s mainly personal preference as long as it’s not too extreme on either end right?

I put it at 9 since that’s what I’m used to in smash

[sturdy citrus]

9 is odee

I’m at 25

Works perfectly

[pastel sonnet]

oh

💀💀

Hmm I see

Yeah 30 was way too much but I’ll see how 9 keeps feeling for me

I tried 0 out of curiosity and it was very interesting…

[tidal sapphire]

i have mine set at 8 for now

[cerulean creek]

i honestly dont know tbh

i got used to it being 30 so i lowered it slightly and it seems to be fine

[humble frigate]

Giga nerf lmaooooo, you don't know about giga nerf unless you play the actual jake

She's still in the top 10 don't even lie, she is fast, weights a lot (so she can proc last stand even more) and she still has a lot of combos

Ww and joker are still in the top 10

[sturdy citrus]

she has default weight

[humble frigate]

112 iirc, just like joker

The point is, she can abuse last stand and even more having armor

[gleaming pier]

Is it just me or ww feels stiff

[tidal sapphire]

She has a decent amount of whiff lag in general if that's what you mean

[gleaming pier]

The jump between uptilt and nair doesn’t consistently come out for me

Also im still doing really good with ww but I feel like they OD on her killpower nerf a little

[sturdy citrus]

nah it actually helps because fair can sometimes combo now

[lilac cosmos]

Acknowledged WW is strong and let her off with a warning in the one balance patch for the next 2 months

[cerulean creek]

WW is fine

shes still great but definitely more tolerable

like you dont get free wins anymore cuz of your sair killing at 70 with weakened

[lilac cosmos]

She still has busted insane combos, she still has high kill power, she's still all around strong

She was barely nerfed

Like Joker

[cerulean creek]

High is a bit of a stretch

She has normal kill power

[lilac cosmos]

If you can hit her air side b, it kills insanely early

Speaking of side b, her shield moves are still some of the only moves in the game with priority

[violet mason]

Ww sucks

[lilac cosmos]

L take

[pastel sonnet]

Hmm?

[sturdy citrus]

👍

[lilac cosmos]

You deciding who to play is like Twoface deciding to kill someone or save them

[sturdy citrus]

LMAO

[plain fiber]

You reminded me that the coin flip KO animation is clean af though

[unkempt plover]

wonder woman isnt even over powered this last update.

[unkempt plover]

well yea, thats her whole shtick. without that shed be a worthless character that no one would play

[storm owl]

Character is still broken

[unkempt plover]

explain

[gleaming pier]

If you hate the character please just say that

There is nothing broken about her anymore

[plain fiber]

Yes can we all please try and use this space to talk about Wonder Woman in a positive light and share cool things about the character? Having people coming in here complaining is a huge downer for everyone. At least be constructive if you have critiques

[sturdy citrus]

not priority, it has armour

[violet mason]

Whoever saying she is still busted after this update is trash

Like no way ur losing now

Like the average ww player if ur losing to that u gotta delete da game

[lilac cosmos]

No it has priority

[sturdy citrus]

I have clanked with that move and multiple occasions

[violet mason]

Doesnt have priority

It jus has armor

Equip armor break n that shi is trash

Ww sucks

[lilac cosmos]

You're a WW main I automatically don't trust your opinion regarding how good she is

[storm owl]

Wonder Woman still fkin good. People mad they don’t play best character in the game anymore who is stupid easy to play

[tidal sapphire]

the only noticeable change is her sair is weaker now so spamming it doesnt get you as far. just means you gotta use her air side special for horizontal kills more

[plain fiber]

Her Amazon shout is also significantly weaker. Used to be a great finishing maneuver now you have to follow up with it typically

[tidal sapphire]

yeah, but i dont use that for kills often. occasionally edgeguards, but i also like to stay back and dash.

i feel if theres a WW edgeguarding with amazon shout, its pretty easy to bait and wait it out

[plain fiber]

Yeah good points I only see it for edgeguarding. I personally liked using it for a kill at high percents. Idk if it’s usable in combos at all since it takes time to charge?

[tidal sapphire]

you could lasso into dtilt at higher percents, and continue combos fromm there. if you had a full charged dtilt it would just delete people. im totally cool with that being nerfed

[plain fiber]

Yeah I was thinking lasso into shout would be viable at higher percents. I’ll check it out and report back o7

[gleaming pier]

Not mad she ain’t the best but all I hear is about “how she still needs to be nerf and the she broken”.. she not even that bad rn y’all just want the character to be unplayable

[storm owl]

Nah she was barely nerfed lol

[unkempt plover]

bruh she nerfed good enough to where even batman can out class her. that character can just do his default combo and spam uppercut in the air but yall worried about one of wonder woman's attacks?

[violet mason]

Wake up

Or let me have what ur smokin

[humble frigate]

Do you really think they nerfed her? lmao, she still top 3

Literally the only thing they need to nerf so she stop being broken it's his speed or weight

She's so fast like an assasin
But she's a tank

And in a meta where last stand is basically broken
She still top 3

[unkempt plover]

bruh she aint top 3

she aint fast

shes the new delayed jake

[humble frigate]

Tell me a better character than wonder woman, not counting joker and shaggy

[storm owl]

Bro she’s still top 3 easy

[unkempt plover]

harley, jake superman, finn, rain dog or whatever, garnet, tom n jerry, stripe, black adam, and batman.

[unkempt plover]

nah

[storm owl]

lol ok

Top 5 is the ABSOLUTE worst you can argue for her

[unkempt plover]

top 7 take it or leave it

[storm owl]

I’m still at 3

[unkempt plover]

nah

[humble frigate]

HARLEY AND JAKE LMAOOOOOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHAH

[storm owl]

Wait that list of characters better than WW is laughable

[humble frigate]

Nah bruh this dude is just trolling

I'm a harley hater and hell naw bro, she still in the top 3, literally the only other character that is near as being in there is steven and we'll see about tom and jerry

[unkempt plover]

cope

[humble frigate]

You gotta be bad with ww to not think she's top 3

[unkempt plover]

nah just say yall get whooped by trash players to think that

[humble frigate]

yall get whooped by new players if you think ww is weak lmaooo

[unkempt plover]

tf new players gotta be

[lilac cosmos]

Batman is broken dawg ofc he's gonna outclass 90% of the roster

I'd even put him in the top 3 rn

[lilac cosmos]

Shaggy is kinda ass now
His kill power is still good but chances are they'll nerf that and if they do he'll be F tier

[unkempt plover]

thats what one of my points are

[lilac cosmos]

Reindog??? Garnet??? Unholy downplay

[unkempt plover]

nah they good if you know how to use them

shaggy is bad tho

[lilac cosmos]

Anyone is good if you know how to use them ig but Garnet and Reindog are B tier at best

WW is high A at worst

[unkempt plover]

nah not even

b high at best

[lilac cosmos]

She has some of the best combos in the game and fairly high kill power

[unkempt plover]

the only thing thats good about her is her shield and air side attack

[lilac cosmos]

Lots of armor also allows for her to get away with outprioritizing attacks

[lilac cosmos]

Nair that gives you 97 combo routes:

[unkempt plover]

her damage isnt even high other than her laso and her air side attack

[lilac cosmos]

Ungodly downplay

Blocked for having crappy takes

[unkempt plover]

her armor gets molly wopped by banana guard and harly mallet

[humble frigate]

Yeah but I don't see any character better than him and ww, maybe steven?
And we are seeing about tom and jerry cuz rn I see a lot of them, the buff was pretty good

Some people say arya but ehhhh I don't know

[lilac cosmos]

Batman is better than both of them, Harley is probably better than at least Shaggy, Joker is debatably the best character in the game rn, Arya is really strong, BA has almost always been better than Shaggy, BG is just a stronger Shaggy rn, I'd say Iron Giant is like top 10 or something and better than Shaggy, Morty has similar kill power with the right moves and way better combos, Finn is pretty OP rn, the list goes on

Shaggy isnt top 3 anymore

[humble frigate]

I still need to see the whole new meta but rn I don't really find shaggy that bad, still, you have good points, let's see if shaggy really goes down on placement

[lilac cosmos]

He's not terrible I'm definitely donwplaying him because I'm salty about him feeling awful to play now (he was my main in the beta) but he is definitely below top 3

Maybe grazing among the bottom of top 10

[gleaming pier]

Who in your top 3 I feel like yall overestimating her and I’m not trying to Underplay I feel like she on top 7

[lilac cosmos]

Joker, maybe Batman, and rn I'd say WW

Could change if other characters prove to be more broken

Lots of DC favoritism going on here

[gleaming pier]

I must have a skill issue

Imma drop Wonder Woman because at point all these ppl think she top 3 and still needs to be nerf and don’t understand it

[violet mason]

Nah

Top 3 is joker fin and sum1else

Oh yeah black adam

He get touched this patch?

If yall havnt seen fin lately yall trippin

Definitely top 3

[violet mason]

Maybe cuz she doesnt have the muscle mass to be slow?

Or a heavy sword

Or heavy anything 😭

Jesus christ

Thats like making pikachu slow as ganondorf In smash

[lilac cosmos]

Tank should mean slow

She's an assassin with tank weight

[violet mason]

Thought tank should mean less knockback

Not wieght

Thats fckin dumb

This is game physics

If she doesnt look slow dont make her slow

[violet mason]

Wait this what i mean yea keep it like that

When has wonder women been bxched

Respectfully

But yea i dont think their going off classes i think thats jus for story purposes

Cuz black adam fits the whole slow thing big muscle mass

[lilac cosmos]

Lore accurate balancing is a bad idea

Under lore accurate balancing, Shaggy should be the best character in the game

[violet mason]

im guessing they just gave them classes and if they didnt look slow they didnt make em slow

But everything else still falls into the classes

[violet mason]

Bro what

Steven? Superman?

Ww n batman?

Or matter fact looney tunes since they cant die

[lilac cosmos]

Steven? On the level of ANYBODY in this roster?

[gleaming pier]

I mean with that logic Morty should be a mage

[lilac cosmos]

Blawg Velma is stronger than Steven

And this is meme Shaggy we're talking about

[violet mason]

Thats gotta be cap cuz wtf do the shaggy squad do

[lilac cosmos]

A mere 0.01% of his power and he's dogwalking the roster

[violet mason]

Thats meme shaggy tho we tammat lore accurate

[lilac cosmos]

Lore accurate to the meme big guy

[violet mason]

Like tv show or comic books

I mean they didnt give him ultra instict

But the loony tunes solo

[lilac cosmos]

Make his rage buff his dodge too

Goes further, gives longer i-frames, all dodges parry and deal 10000000 damage

[violet mason]

Lore accurate agent smith

[lilac cosmos]

He just consumes the roster

[violet mason]

But jus wait when we get the flash

Guessing hes gonna be a tank since his attack power sucs

Or mage

[lilac cosmos]

Tell me how a guy who can literally run through time itself has bad attack power

The kinetic energy he could generate by just getting a running start is ridiculous, the Flash could kill a man with one punch

Bruiser, take it or leave it

[violet mason]

I mean u seen omni man vs the red rush

Ikirus vs the fast girl

[lilac cosmos]

Red Rush is like a 6 year old with no legs compared to Flash

[violet mason]

The flash couldnt kill the krytopians in his own movie

They state they couldn’t kill them

😭

[lilac cosmos]

So??

The kryptonians are way stronger than the Flash dawg these are terrible comparisons

[violet mason]

Yea so hes just fast

Thas it

[lilac cosmos]

"Literal Gods who are indestructible can't be hurt by a human that runs insanely fast"

[violet mason]

Hes gonna be fast with low attack power

Watcg

Watch

[lilac cosmos]

I would rather take a full force punch from prime Mike Tyson than the Flash

[violet mason]

Rather take it from the flash and know he aint gonna hurt a human bieng

[lilac cosmos]

The Flash would have strong attack power

If you passed 8th grade physics you'd know his kinetic energy output is basically unmatched
More kinetic energy = more force = stronger attack

[violet mason]

So u think theyre gonna make him fast and poweful

Im tammat da game

[lilac cosmos]

Batman is fast and powerful

Ww is fast and powerful

[violet mason]

Batman got hands

[lilac cosmos]

Finn is fast and powerful

[violet mason]

Difference

The flash is da weakest justice league member except aquabuns

[lilac cosmos]

Realistically you're more likely to beat Batman in a boxing match than the Flash

[violet mason]

Eh idk cuz u could easily hurt his legs prior to the match

[lilac cosmos]

Speedsters are nerfed so hard for the sake of the story 😔

His legs should be unbreakable if he can run that fast

[violet mason]

True

But ima call it and put all my coins in on mage or tank

[lilac cosmos]

Bruiser

He'd have no projectiles

[violet mason]

He has lightning projectiles

[lilac cosmos]

No justification for mage

He'd be mid-light weight

No justification for tank

He doesn't wield a weapon

No justification for assassin

Straight hands and raw speed

Bruiser

[violet mason]

Like how ww has a charge up attack flash could get one but in lighting attack

No way they make em bruiser

Too op

[lilac cosmos]

Classification has no indicator on characters actual playstyle

[violet mason]

True

[lilac cosmos]

Marvin is an assassin but he plays like a mage

[violet mason]

I just kno his air game boutta be trash

Little mac 2.0

[lilac cosmos]

Flash might be the one character thats never been leaked though

Pretty sure the devs made like 2 years of content in advance

Ofc it all got thrown out the window after porting to UE5

[violet mason]

Damn

[slender quail]

GARNET???

Dude Garnet was literally nerfed. And she was only a Mid tier last patch

[rotund surge]

She's very fast

[lilac cosmos]

Ignore the WW mains they dont know their own character

The only people who dont downplay their main are Jokers fr

Gotta respect them for it

[gleaming pier]

Ight after relabbing and playing more games I’ll she top 5

[lilac cosmos]

Enlightened

[violet mason]

Top five but not top 4

[storm owl]

Top 3

[rotund surge]

It's like what Joker said in Batman the Brave and the Bold "I'm Crazy, not stupid"

[violet mason]

Ww not better than fin rn

Joker or batman

[lilac cosmos]

Joker is like bottom 3 dawg 😭

[sturdy citrus]

why you lying

[lilac cosmos]

Nobody will stop me

[storm owl]

Joker top 1

[lilac cosmos]

Bottom 3

[sturdy citrus]

Joker apologists getting out of hand 💀

[bitter obsidian]

nah you see the new Void list

Joker and WW are both top tier

nerfs were like a tiny bug bite

[storm owl]

Joker top 1 WW top 2

[lilac cosmos]

Joker is bottom 3

[lilac cosmos]

Bottom 3

Void is wrong

[sturdy citrus]

void is not exactly someone who's known for having good takes on charachter balance

[bitter obsidian]

Here comes the cope

[sturdy citrus]

wdym

oh okay ww is at the bottom of S tier

actually its not a bad lisit

i would put harley a bit higher pesonally but thats it

[quartz glade]

Hearing someone say Garnet is better than WW is crazy. 😭

I WISH she was.

[violet mason]

Um

Ngl

Id say their equal

Or ww jus a lil bit beter but not by much

[sturdy citrus]

thats a crazy ass statement 💀

the nerfs were not that bad and garnet is bottom 5 LMAO

[feral swift]

should change to 'is a name both feared , loved , and hated'

[lilac cosmos]

S tier downplay???

[quartz glade]

I think he's saying that WW being equal to or barely better than Garnet is crazy

[lilac cosmos]

I know, I'm talking about @violet mason downplaying WW to an ungodly level

[quartz glade]

Oh okay I got confused by what was being replied to. Yeah I... I get that they're closed ranged bruises with hard hitting moves but like

WW is just more reigned in? Like, she, unlike Garnet, has some genuine combos and pressure that isn't so obvious.

Definitely S tier, I don't think I can argue that. But like, not S+ like she was before

Most I can say is bottom S or, if we REALLY wanna push it, high A tier

But GARNET? Oh no no. She's damn well B tier on a good day.

[sturdy citrus]

I can't even tell if it's garnet ass kissing or ww downplay anymore

[violet mason]

Garnet been crazy lately

[ocean parrot]

bait used to be believable

[lilac cosmos]

B tier at best

[violet mason]

Bro what

High A at best

End of S the least

[sturdy citrus]

I want what he's huffing

[lilac cosmos]

Ungodly glazing

You play WW and really think Garnet is S tier?

Skill diffed way too hard

[surreal pecan]

Are we gonna get new info/livestream from MvS tomorrow?
According from #announcements

[violet mason]

My d must taste good

[quartz glade]

PLEASE LET GARNET BE END OF S

I'M BEGGING YA'LL

😭

I'd be eating GOOD

[plain fiber]

hey wonder woman mains- hope you all are well. Question: how have you all been performing in FFAs? what are some tough or easy matchups you have faced?

[lilac cosmos]

Matchups in FFA?

Also idek if character matters in FFA tbh

Just sit on the sidelines and let everyone fight then jump in last second and kill everyone and get free points

[sturdy citrus]

in ffa just camp and steal kills lmao

they should really do a life based system as its really stupid rn

[lilac cosmos]

FFA is all about landing one last hit after someone else does all the work

Garbage mode

Just make it like Smash it would be so much better

[sturdy citrus]

Doubles too

I feel like stock sharing and being in a 2v1 situation are some of the most hype parts of a game

At the very least make it be 4 reaspawns, and when you run out you need to kill them one last time

[lilac cosmos]

The point system is unique but I really dont think it works well

I prefer stocks like in Smash

Limited lives per person is better

Having to rely on my teammate not being garbage really sucks

[sturdy citrus]

it's not even "not being garbage"

if my teammate is just playing someone who dies earlier they can just be targeted for all 4 of the points

also weight should not be affecting hitstun the way it does atm but that's a conversation for another day

[glacial timber]

So like is anyone doing any research into Wonder woman combo's?

Right now I think
Side attack(jab) IAD (Instant Aerial Dodge) Nair to jab is possibly her best possible bread and butter.

Jab IAD dair utilt is also pretty neat.

Then we have things like jab turn around utilt or dodge cancel utilt into up special.

These are all great options that we should built from, collect data on and share with each other so we can make wonder woman even better.

[plain fiber]

I usually do iab jab uppercut to initiate stuff

Also using nair as a combo starter is a must especially if you land on the ground at the end of it

[plain fiber]

All of this can be extended by lasso grab on front end for extra swag too

[sturdy citrus]

there's a bit of lab going on in the ww cord but ngl as long as you know how to do ladders you're fine

[humble frigate]

It feels so good to watch a ww respawn, get armor and there's nothing you can do while she rush against you, such a balanced character

[lilac cosmos]

Who do you play

[humble frigate]

Harley and morty, into the same player

[lilac cosmos]

Ah hard counters to WW ofc

[humble frigate]

Man it's not even hard to tell when you are ragebaiting, I don't know what happened to you

[lilac cosmos]

I'm not trying to rage bait lmao

[humble frigate]

Then in what world harley counters ww lol
Morty is good against ww (without counting when she has armor)
But he doesn't even count as a low counter lol

[lilac cosmos]

You could've said you main Velma and I would've said she hard counters WW
It's obvious fighting WW is hopeless for anyone without solid aerial armor breaks (which happens to just be WW and Finn)

[lilac cosmos]

Harley has a solid dash attack tbh
Pair that with the perk and she has a solid way of dealing with armor

She has pretty good ladders too

[tidal sapphire]

Every character should have a grab/bite, projectile, or armor break move to deal with armored attacks. The dash perk is good too if your character has a good dash

I fought a batman a while back who would do nothing but run away any time I put a shield on. Can't blame him for that, it's also a valid tactic

[lilac cosmos]

Batman has a good slide and solid armor break move but the downside is his armor break is stationary and his dash attack is easy to dodge and now it has 3 months worth of whiff frames

WWs armor being so easily used makes her such a bad matchup for so many people for no reason idek how they made her so strong I swear armor wasn't this much of an issue in the beta

Maybe the low speed gutted multi-hits as armor break tools so now everyone lost their best armor breakers

[sturdy citrus]

harley counters ww

as someone who plays both if them harley defo counters her

[sturdy citrus]

a universal grab that goes through armour would be amazing for this game

[lilac cosmos]

Just make Smash atp

[sturdy citrus]

no I think mvs is fine without shields or special fall or all the things that make smash unique

Smash has an RPS system with its options (grab beats shield, shield beats attack, attack beats grab) but MVS only has attack and shield (armour) meaning basically shield runs rampant without grab to keep it in check

[lilac cosmos]

Everyone has at least one armor break or grab attack and if they dont, a perk turns your dash attack into one
There are definitely ways to counter armor

[sturdy citrus]

sacrifice a perk preset just to deal with armor is not a real solution

[lilac cosmos]

The characters with bad armor breaks typically have goated dash attacks anyways

[sturdy citrus]

harley does not have a goated dash attack

[lilac cosmos]

What else are you using it for be fr

[lilac cosmos]

Top 3 dash attacks

But no her sair is decent at dealing with armor

[sturdy citrus]

and IDA is so inconsistent in this game tbh it doesn't really matter

no ww is going to look at harley running towards them and not immediately so fair or jab, especially with armour

[gleaming pier]

They also have the fully charge attack perk that breaks armor

[lilac cosmos]

Yeah nobodys using that it sucks

Genuinely only like

Shaggy

Gets benefit out of it

[gleaming pier]

Mean if ppl have trouble dealing armor which is not hard they might wanna consider it

WW is the only character where the armor attacks feels oppressive and maybe Superman

[lilac cosmos]

Not really Superman tbh

WWs armor is only oppressive because her down b can be activated at any time and allows any of her moves to essentially be armored

[gleaming pier]

What about Arya?

[lilac cosmos]

Eh maybe idrk her charged attacks tbh

[sturdy citrus]

doesn't arya murder armour without the charged perk thingy

which sucks btw

[plain fiber]

Arya has the sharpened blades for anti armor, and when dagger is on cooldown the side special is the purple Palpatine spinny thing she does

[gloomy wraith]

i’m in the harley mains and arya main disc but can’t find one for wonder woman can anyone help

[sturdy citrus]

slide the harley one and i gotchu

[silver surge]

why on earth is the DI for her up special so terrible

i held right for 7 of them and barely went anywhere

[lilac cosmos]

They shifted the knockback angle diagonally by 1°
You can DI slightly more to the side than ever before! A much needed balance change that fixed every issue immediately and definitely wasn't anything more than a slap on the wrist which left her as a top tier!

[glacial timber]

Utilt nerf probably hurt more to be honest. They did lower up special kill % though and that's noticeable.

[buoyant lotus]

92 damage true combo Di full proof

#combos message

Difficulty: medium (hard if you haven’t mastered IAD)

[gleaming pier]

I really got Wonder Woman lasso combos I usually play with the whip perk so I never learned lasso combos

Good combo though🫡

[sturdy citrus]

up tilt was not touched in any way that actually mattered

[sturdy citrus]

the follow up after shout isn't true

for some reason the bot won't dodge if an attack forces it into the ground but a real player could either hold up and jump out or hold out and dodge out

down smash

[buoyant lotus]

it has a bounce hitstun

it depends where your positioned when you input it

If it doesn’t bounce it won’t be true

[sturdy citrus]

no but like

if I hold up before you hit it

then it won't send me into the ground

and then the combo isn't true anymore

[buoyant lotus]

#clips message
Like this, there’s no way that’s dodgeable

[sturdy citrus]

if you di up after jab 2 before the down tilt, it won't sent you into the ground and you won't be able to follow up

I'm not saying the combo isn't true I'm saying it's not di proof

[buoyant lotus]

Depends on the damage and positioning . If your stacked it will hit down regardless

[buoyant lotus]

There’s not even that much Di on jab2x to make a difference

Looks at 3 Di clips, jab2x barely moves

#combos message

[glacial timber]

I think the 3 frame delay means it combo's worst as your opponent has more time to DI away before you can try to follow it up.

[sturdy citrus]

anyone dumb enough to hold out on my up tilt is going to get fair'd/ side special'd in the face

the important stuff like up tilt up air up b and up tilt up b still confirm majority of the time at majority of percents

[glacial timber]

...like no they don't. Holding away after getting hit with a utilt will make you escape a follow up after -shrugs- 70%

[storm owl]

I feel like she ain’t as broken as others anymore what y’all think

[buoyant lotus]

Maybe cause your the one playing her

Easily top 3

[storm owl]

Sick burn I don’t even play her tho

[buoyant lotus]

But she’s an all around character

Everything you would want

Long combos
2 armour moves
2 spike moves

[glacial timber]

I found another neat detail. On bigger characters you can do max range jab to short hop, diagonal fast fall Nair into imagination.

It's wonky on Shaggy so start with Batman since his hand placement is hilarious and make it easy.

Edit: Also since I'm talking you can also do jab to jump fast fall side special after 100% on a lot of character. The timing is rough though.

[glacial timber]

The new Wonder woman skin is amazing looking. I hope her win animation isn't jump rope.

[sturdy citrus]

dawg I have been waiting for that taunt to come back forever 💀

[buoyant lotus]

Bro the only thing that makes Wonder Woman op is her jab hitstun wth

Anyways here’s a 107 damage true combo not diable for wonderwoman mains

#combos message

[glacial timber]

Interesting, I feel like I've looked into jab IAD dair into jab before... what's the range for it to work? I haven't thought about doing dair to turn around Nair though. That's pretty unquie!

[buoyant lotus]

Jab IAD dair doesn’t work starting from 70 I believe.
🙏

[pine gull]

i hear we have a inf lasso again

life be getting better fr

[buoyant lotus]

Bro what the hell

Ffs the devs main wonderwoman

Ain’t no way

[pine gull]

check the patch

we got t he inf lasso again

just with more lockout if we spam

[buoyant lotus]

Did wonderwoman get any nerfs?

[pine gull]

just the lasso inf thats it

[buoyant lotus]

So a buff

[pine gull]

no longer on cooldown

[pine gull]

yuh

[buoyant lotus]

Season 2 ranked is so messed up

Nerf her jab hitstun

That’s it

[pine gull]

she def aint gon be getting that anytime tsoon

gl with wishing that bro

ww slowly coming back

[buoyant lotus]

She’s already top

[pine gull]

ik

[buoyant lotus]

Yea cause devs probably main her

[pine gull]

nakat lol

[buoyant lotus]

🤡 who thought it was a good idea to buff top tiers

😭😭😭

[pine gull]

its just 1 buff

[buoyant lotus]

Pretty huge buff

[pine gull]

it has more whiff frames

[buoyant lotus]

Nobody does lasso close enough to get punished by it

[pine gull]

and pretty decent lockout

[pine gull]

now they will

[tidal sapphire]

Yay I can spam tipper lasso all game against ig again

[glacial timber]

You sir have never been hit with a finn dash attack for using the whip

[ripe rover]

Wtf were they smoking with the lasso change 😭

If anything they should have increased the cooldown

[pine gull]

Well that's too damn bad 🗣🗣‼️‼️

[buoyant lotus]

I swear

[gleaming pier]

Lasso cooldown removed again

[candid linden]

This character got away with robbery wtf happened

[gleaming pier]

I’m not ready for ppl to start complaining again

[candid linden]

I am

[gleaming pier]

Dev just need to give her a real nerf so I can play my character in peace

[candid linden]

Same

This character needs an actual nerf

But dont nwrf her fun

[obsidian ermine]

bought the new prestige WW skin

can someone tell me how to do the jab dair combo properly?

[glacial timber]

@buoyant lotus I'm sorry to let you know that they nerf wonder Woman. Please reconfirm if any your combos work.

Jab IAD Nair gone
Jab to IAD dair gone
Jab to jump Dair gone
Jab to jump Nair fast fall on larger characters gone
Jab to IAD uair gone
Jab to jump side speical fast fall (usually work after 100%) gone.

[candid depot]

Got em

[buoyant lotus]

Yesss

W Wonder Woman nerf

She actually got jab hitstun nerf

[buoyant lotus]

None of them should work anymore

But jab jump dair gone is crazy

[pine gull]

Ngl sound like a skill issue if you still losing to her after just 1 buff and continous nerfs since launch

[humble frigate]

You say it like they nerfed something really important about her lol, she is still broken just like joker

You probably think iron giant is weak right? They nerfed him even more than wonder woman

[quick dew]

anyone got gameplay of ww 1984 skin?

[gleaming pier]

No I play WW

I want them to nerf her so that I can play her in peace

[pine gull]

She will be nerfed next patch as per usual

So I'm just enjoying inf lasso whilst I have it

[pine gull]

Tbh she aint that broken than how she was at the start she has a bigger end lag than before and kills later but she is a high teir but not completely broken like joker

[gleaming pier]

It’s sad that everything gets nerf even for other characters I just they don’t keep taking the fun out of character

At this rate if it continues the game gonna be so stiff with no combos

[violet mason]

Ww sucks

Holy f

[humble frigate]

Obvs she is more weak than before but that doesn't mean anything, the game still rewards wonder woman for other players hitting her armor, she still has a lot of kill power and she still is the fastest tank in the game, she still is in the top 3

[pine gull]

Yea that "kill power" is mainly killing most of the cast by 120-140 and her 1 hit shield has a long cooldown with characters that have multi hit attacks kinda only makes the use if shield a safe option to get back in stage if being heavy guarded, besides her movement is one of the things that help her get in and out with poke hits and short decent damaging combos

Plus her nair can barley hit some of the cast

Almost forgot people barley use the shout since it barley has combo routes besides jab jab but you will barely get enough to kill and actual person or get enough charge unless you are consistently attempting to charge your shield and it really ain't a good edge guard tool since the armour when holding is gone

[humble frigate]

Wait before I say something, can you tell me what do you think it's the spot of wonder woman in the top 10?

[glacial timber]

I don't see wonder woman being top 3 after jab nerfs. So much potential was just cut away, she's really simple now which is bad as other players will continue to improve their character.

[cerulean creek]

I don't see WW getting touched again period.

Well they might revert the lasso change again, but if they reduce the cool down from 8 seconds to like 4, I think she'll be in a perfect spot.

Because especially after all the nerfs she got, she's balanced now.

[violet mason]

They need to make her a heavy than so she doesnt die easy

Her movements already slow

[gleaming pier]

In 1s she like top 5 for sure I don’t think anyone would argue with that

The problem I have with ppl that don’t like WW is the she’s broken and need to be gutted she needs to be unplayable

[sturdy citrus]

the annoying part is she used to be

imo with all the KB nerfs she definitely deserves her old weight back

[glacial timber]

Death by 1,000 cuts. Her kit is just really strong especially with her 'I'm no longer in disadvantage" down special. She built like a rush down but has good defensive options.

I feel nerfing her combos make her lean more towards a typical sword character... actually Ike from smash might be a good example while before she was more like Roy.

[sturdy citrus]

Ww played more like meta night than roy

Roy is THE rushdown "in your face" character but gets obliterated in disadvantage

[sturdy citrus]

(strong combos with easy to hit starters and able to put on a lot of pressure offstage)

[sturdy citrus]

she isn't even close to fast enough to be considered a rushdown fighter if you ask me

[glacial timber]

Oh I'm thinking purely neutral and how they are played. I would agree I wish she was faster, had a longer range on jab and~ I'm bias.

Her tools aren't good enough to zone people out well enough so if she isn't a rush down what do you think she is? I'm asking because maybe there a better character archetype?

[tidal sapphire]

im living to stupid high percents on WW. and when im getting to kill percent, you save a shield and abuse last stand one more time. i dont think she needs to be heavier

and the only kb nerf i remember is her fair getting nerfed two patches ago. just means you dont get as much from spamming it and gotta use air side special for kills now. that was a good nerf

[tawny lava]

How do we defeat the hare

[tidal sapphire]

ground side special all his heavy projectiles, almost never contest him when hes off stage cause everything he has wins, bait his armor break jab then jump behind and punish. ladder is your friend unless his safe isnt on cooldown and youre not already on his ass. when hes ledge camping, bugs can swipe with his bat through the stage, so stay back and lasso him, its up to him to get out. when he sticks his head up, then you dash attack him; its much safer than being at the ledge

i think dash into fair is still true, but i have to check. okay its not true, but good follow up at high %

[sturdy citrus]

Roy doesn't play neutral lmao

Hear me out - I think WW plays mostly like wario or shulk

[lilac cosmos]

WW weighs the same as Joker, Shaggy, and Reindog
The base weight in this game (which is what a lot of characters are rn) is stupidly high tbh

[sturdy citrus]

not really

I have never seen anyone consider any of those charachters heavies

[buoyant lotus]

Yea the jab nerf was definitely needed for jab dair or jab IAD dair loops. It was too good but I agree I don’t think she’s top 3 anymore

Might even be controversial but I think she might be High A rn

Any character that’s claimed to be S tier is so debateable rn cause of the nerfs

[glacial timber]

I wonder what combos WW could do with airwalker... with ground bounce being more standardized maybe dair to airwalker utilt to up special could be a thing.

[lilac cosmos]

WW has very high kill power so you don't notice weight on others

Joker, Shaggy, Reindog, and WW all have the same weight of 2930

[sturdy citrus]

you can get things like utilt up air land on platform up tilt up b so i wouldn't be surprised if airwalker shenanigans were possible

[quick dew]

what the hell are you people saying

[glacial timber]

?

[glacial timber]

Just hit gold, the gauntlet of Samurai Jack's made it easier but Im stricken with fear seeing Rick's, gizmos, and Steven's.

Edit: I got to play some more, I think getting gold 4 was harder then getting out of all of silver.

Also reindogs are scary with their kill confirms.

[violet mason]

Samurai jack is too busted

[tropic lotus]

Anyone wanna teach me WW :}

[lilac cosmos]

WW main

[tidal sapphire]

samurai jack is a new character, gotta learn the matchup. hes definitely more threatening in 2s but i think hes alright. solid character

[lilac cosmos]

He's definitely far from a bad character but he is so unfathomably overrated

[surreal pecan]

Have you guys any suggestions when you matchup aganst Arya with ww?

[tropic lotus]

Looking for someone who can show me WW

[violet mason]

Maybe play the game

Why you wanna glaze sum1 else to show u ww

Glazecraze

Glazemant

[glacial timber]

Lol don't be a jerk. Not everyone is familiar with platform Fighters and even wonder woman isn't always straight forward.

[dark palm]

Which WW perk is her best? I’ve only found niche uses with her perks but idk if it’d because I haven’t used her enough

[violet mason]

Ww is as straight forward as it gets literally

[glacial timber]

For signature perk Whip of Hephaestus is probably the best, follow by 5%, grapple of Hermes and the last option is just bad and inconsistent.

After that weakening is best because it increases your knock back if they reach 115-125+ which make it easier to delete people with things like utilt. Then speed force, follow by pugilist.

Hephaestus just wins some match ups for us so it's why I think it's the best.

[tidal sapphire]

meta is snowball. last stand, and pugilist. WW like most top tier characters live past 100 pretty easily. i have a loadout with press the advantage and armor killer that i only use against IG and superman.

[glacial timber]

I see people with snowball and I think they don't know what they are doing.

Increasing damage by 7% is stupid on low numbers. If say you do a combo that would normally do 21%, 7% of that is a extra of 1.47% damage.... meanwhile weakening can make you kill over 5% sooner. Multiple stack means you kill even sooner and the increase knock back is calculated on hit.

Last stand is arguably better.

[tidal sapphire]

last stand and snowball dont take up the same slots

[glacial timber]

I'm aware, speed force and last stand take the same spot.

[tidal sapphire]

i agree with last stand being better. its crazy on WW. what do you suggest replacing snowball with?

[glacial timber]

Weakening edit: press the attack

[tidal sapphire]

ive been seeing more people with press the advantage, but i rarely fight anyone past 125 damage unless its an IG. i usually can kill way before then. and snowball gets you to that point faster

[glacial timber]

If you feel you kill before 115-125 normally then yeah more damage could be good. I don't usually kill until like 90% when I hit them off stage with a whip, edit: gimp their recovery or a neutral ground on the ledge or read their air dodge and hit them with side special.

[tidal sapphire]

snowball seems to be per attack and i guess rounded up. normal fair is 9 damage. its 10 with snowball. in general it seems to be about 1 extra damage per hit

i know in the past switching off of snowball helps with hitting her loops, but i dont know that she has anything like that anymore

[buoyant lotus]

lol

It’s crazy how they disguised the jab change as a buff instead of a nerf

They killed so much combos

[glacial timber]

Does it? I remember testing side tilt and then utilt and didn't see a number difference. If it actually round up everytime then that might be worth it.

[tidal sapphire]

im at work now, but i tested fair, dair and nair. all seem to do about 1 extra damage each

i kept pugilist on tho

[glacial timber]

Lol I never notice that! I had to double check and it does have a + as in a buff

Maybe all of this is just a unfortunate oversite on the devoplers
#cope

[buoyant lotus]

Yea it 100% had to be intended as a nerf

Cause even if it was a buff what was the point of it 😂

You can hit jab1 - jab 2 true anyways. Nobody asked for it

[dark palm]

How does WW beat Arya it feels like I can only ever get hits on lucky guesses

Also can only recover when they make a super bad play

[sturdy citrus]

umm look in direction of opponent and hit button

that should get you started!!

[tropic lotus]

Sorry I can't be on the game all day like you

[tropic lotus]

No

[sturdy citrus]

yes

I hate to break it to you if you have 2 braincells you can play ww

[tropic lotus]

No

[sturdy citrus]

come to ww channel
get advice from people most qualified to give it
say "nuh uh!!!"
??????
profit

[tropic lotus]

poop advice

[sturdy citrus]

it's not poop advice low level wonder woman is braindead

[jolly sapphire]

best wonder woman perks?

[fresh arrow]

5% or the tipper one
Snowball
Last Stand
Pugilist

[jolly sapphire]

alr, thank you for the help

[west vector]

Is the new Wonder Woman skin facing the wrong way in her intro?

[fresh arrow]

No?

[west vector]

I think it is.

[fresh arrow]

#clips message

[west vector]

I forgot about circuit

i meant the gold armor

[fresh arrow]

No idea on that one

[fresh arrow]

Whats ww's current bread and butter combos?

[glacial timber]

Side attack (jab)side attack (jab) utilt, Nair
Nair jab
Jab jab utilt, dair
Jab jab neutral attack
Jab utilt up special

[pine gull]

Ngl I don't even do combos

I just do what flows at the time

Like I did fair into lasso read then side b

[glacial timber]

Side B reads is like ¼ of the reason I play wonder woman.

Still Nair into jab is core to good wonder woman play.

[tidal sapphire]

I like combos with default lasso. Or lasso into dair off stage. I rarely see WWs lasso while still in the air and it can throw people off

[sturdy citrus]

I like using whip to call out careless recoveries

Or airborne lasso can combo into Bair for a reversal while you're offstage

Or uair for a straight kill

[plain fiber]

Yes I love lasso being a combo starter. Default lasso feels peak WW

[plain fiber]

Whip against larger characters is also amazing

[surreal pecan]

WW FOREVER 🛡️

[dark vine]

Any master Wonder Woman's here wanna tell me some tips to get out of Diamond?

[glacial timber]

F dude, any diamond Wonder Woman here wanna tell me some tips to get out of platinum?

I think I've seen only 1 WW claim to be master on discord.

[dark vine]

U got any clips of you playing?

@glacial timber

[glacial timber]

Sadly I don't, I can collect some when I get back on the grind in.... 9 hours.

[dark vine]

perk setup, least favourite matchups?

Finally got to Diamond 4, the RP loss in this rank is crazy

[rare rover]

How to stop people from running away ? I seem to only lose when they just run

What perks are u guys using ?

[glacial timber]

Right now Hephaestus, snow ball, the inflicting weaken when you are over 100, and pugilist.

Gizmo, Steven and I guess Taz.

[dark vine]

Right, so I'd definitely say goodbye to Hephaestus, unless you have insane lasso aim

Just basic lasso is much more reliable, and can be used in a number of different scenarios, while hephaestus is really hard to hit, and you can't really do much with it except what, deny them coming back to the stage, possibly getting a ringout? Which you can do with the normal lasso itself already

Yeah I'm using snowball, pugilist, just using movement speed boost instead of last stand, but that's a good pick too

[dark vine]

Coming back to this, normal lasso can give you an easy 60+ damage combo if the enemy is low damage, and since WW already isn't the best 'killing' character, having more damage on the opponent is essential

Our problem matchups are quite different as well. Tbh, for each one of these characters, just remember your side/up specials, as they are most important here

While gizmo does have some crazy combos, his starters are almost always projectile based, keep denying arrows, car, popcorn etc with your side special

and for Taz and Steven, it's pretty simple as well. Both use moves that have a bigger wind-up than your side/up special. You can lasso Taz out of his smoke up special thing, and your side special easily counters tornado

use Steven's placed shields against him, WW has really good damage when pressing opponent into a wall

[glacial timber]

I don't really know when to throw normal lassio out since you can't really combo into it. It's set up for combos is inconsistent so I've moved away from it but I'll take what you say into consideration.

[dark vine]

I think normal lasso WW is a completely different character compared to hephaestus

Especially since you can easily kill people who are clinging onto the top of a wall with it

I'll try to get a clip of what I mean with this

[glacial timber]

I use it a lot on people who hang below the ledge. The whole mind game of jab into empty hop, jab to immediate neutral, jump away from ledge to whip is the mix ups I like.

Also doesn't Taz tornado have armor? Also I've been unsuccessful countering due to side B slow speed. Sorry, I need more experience in the match up to be honest.

[dark vine]

It doesn't

on a fundamental level, it's important that you use neutral air to engage, and your side air or neutral ground are your strongest knockback moves

If you're not scared of the blast zone, you can get some easy kills with side air if you play aggressively

[glacial timber]

Yup~ 1¼ of the reason I play wonder woman is for side B reads. I always go off stage.

Why do you think up special is one of the most important moves for my bad match ups?

[dark vine]

Steven's and Gizmos often like to engage from above

Steven more so with his air neutral

and they alwaaaays charge it a little bit, so it's a free up special hit each time

also up special hitbox is quite bigger than it visually looks, so it's easy to catch people off guard with it

Here's what I mean in regards to dishing out easy damage with lasso

https://streamable.com/obw0y1

In this case of course he's high damage and hits a wall, but you can do the same thing when they're low damage

[glacial timber]

Lol I got timed out for saying the F word.

Anyways that's some good insight about Steven Nair that I didn't have a answer for. I feel dumb not realizing that sooner

[dark vine]

#37 WW in the world rn, time to get off for the day before I start going on a lose streak 💀

[midnight echo]

not master but win lol

also going through the diamond grind rn

most of these are winnable then you find a master 1 insane player lol

[glacial timber]

@dark vine i won a set against a diamond 3 Steven last night large in part due to the up special anti air advise.

Thank you.

[hearty hinge]

been a WW main since the start

she felt like a smash character and I’ve played countless hours on smash bros

even though her combo game is probably the worst in the game, she’s still super fun

[midnight echo]

her combo game def is not bad

even tho they've nerfed it into more strings

[buoyant lotus]

Look at these wonderful woman mains

Propoganda

[buoyant lotus]

Continuous lies

Complaining

Spamming the same jab combo

[glacial timber]

Hey man you don't need to be negative.

Wonder woman meta is still improving, right now the hotness is reverse utilt into dair into imagination. Which can be done to majory of the cast after jab 2 if you adjust your spacing while jabbing.

[tidal sapphire]

Are you guys actually using reverse uptilt dair? It looks good in lab but I rarely pull it off in an actual match. Maybe I just don't have the muscle memory locked

[buoyant lotus]

Tf dair????

No way that’s not diable.

[glacial timber]

Yup, it start working after 40%

[glacial timber]

It is, they have to DI inward on reverse utilt if they don't want to go straight up, which we can just do normal utilt instead.

[tidal sapphire]

I'll keep trying it out, but I guess for me it's too risky against most characters if you miss the dair or they do di right.

[buoyant lotus]

This is probably why wonderwoman jab got nerfed
#combos message

They tricked everyone by framing it as a buff, now everyone who doesn’t play WW thinks she got buffed

[rare rover]

Dawg she’s so bad for 1v1

[tidal sapphire]

getting her balanced in both 1s and 2s is gonna be tricky. shes still amazing in 2s but i dont think shes top 5 in 1s

[surreal pecan]

well, it is what it is, people complained a lot about it before
we just have to accepted it and keep adapt as we can

[humble frigate]

If you think her combo game is the worst play with banana guard or velma lmao

[humble frigate]

She's not bad at all at 1's, stop downplaying

She still better than most of the characters, better than like 70% of the whole roster

[hearty hinge]

his?
also her combo game isn’t THE worst, probably should’ve stated, but I agree velma, BG, jake, WW, and garnet practically have no combo game

[hearty hinge]

kind of but I’m a devil in 2’s as her

[humble frigate]

Yeah mb but she still is a good character, Idk what is people talking about

She is the only character that still has a instant cleanse doing some matchups very easy to manage

[tidal sapphire]

shes not bad in 1s, just okay. maybe top of A tier. the issue is shes top 3 in 2s still.

[hearty hinge]

side special is crazy good though

[hearty hinge]

I mean top 3 in 2s doesn’t really mean much, if they’re bad in 1s they’re bad in 2s

WW isn’t the worst in 1s though

she’s fairly good

[humble frigate]

She's not crazy as before tbh but she still playable and very good against this meta, she has good matchups against some top tiers

[hearty hinge]

the rope cooldown removal is the best they’ve done

imo it’s a fairly useless move outside of 2s unless you want to finish off a combo

then again I use side special anyway

[tidal sapphire]

ive been using lasso a lot for edgeguarding. good for people camping the ledge

thats usually the only time id use lasso more than once in an 8 second window

[buoyant lotus]

Oh no 😱

That’s so bad you can do any op jab starter combos

[spring widget]

Anyone for ranked?

[glacial timber]

Woot woot, top 100 wonder woman and now in diamond.

[surreal pecan]

congrats

[fierce flame]

👀

Where the wonder woman bnb link ats

[surreal pecan]

it's been a while i haven't play ww again, like a week i guess
i feel rusty again

[glacial timber]

Im fight for my life everytime I cue for rank in diamond. It doesn't help when I beat a low plat player and only got 7rp after winning both rounds.

[sturdy citrus]

Not to mention you lose 25 if you lose

[honest solar]

I just lost to a wonder woman spamming the charge thing and the lasso and then they t bagged and stuff
please dont tell me youre all like this

[glacial timber]

Lasso is extremely punishable on stage and side special is only good in certain match ups.

Just fake him out.

[slim latch]

You can dodge in on lasso and get the punish

For charge, bait it out and then hit them with your jab

Hopefully it’s fast enough

Honestly to be safe I’d just say let them whiff then dodge read

Wonder Woman is kinda the will bombard you if you’re not on your toes character

[honest solar]

when I dodge into the lasso it hits me anyways

[pine gull]

Some are but not all of us

[buoyant lotus]

Why is wonder woman’s channel one of the quietest

Y’all not discussing any tech?

[pine gull]

It's mainly in the disc

[surreal pecan]

right now, ww feels like basic tank
the only combos i can do is jab 2 --> neutral attack and jab 2 --> up attack --> up special
still good, but not really wow imo

[buoyant lotus]

Damn i really liked her jab iad dair combos but it is what it is

[surreal pecan]

i'm still enjoy it
ww is the first char that i bought purely without intention of her tier list
i bought her just because she's a tank

[buoyant lotus]

You think she’s gonna get touched for mid season

I think they might leave her alone, people stopped talking about Wonder Woman

[surreal pecan]

if they nerf her, i think they just gonna tune her down, and that will be really make us a bit difficult
hopefully she won't

[glacial timber]

They might still nerf wonder Woman since her 2vs2 results are pretty dominating. I imagine they would change how long someone can have armor. I would really like if they revert the changes on her jab but then jab to IAD Nair would return which is low key broken. The character discord is slightly more active at times and is actually helpful but there isn't a lot of chatter. Stupid as it sounds if people talk more I'll talk more.

[surreal pecan]

I mean, why they don't want run any anti armor perks, if i match up against ww, supe, IG etc, i'll pick that set to counter them
It really works mostly from my exp

Ww armor isn't really permanent buff until get hit
I'm still don't get it fron their perspective
We'll see the midseason patch soon

[glacial timber]

Dash attack breaking armor is really good especially on characters like Stripe and Reindog dash attacks that can double as a anti air or batman which combos into death and beats our shield bash.

I'm no 2vs2 expert but I'm assuming armor and raw kill power is why wonder woman does better in 2vs2 vs 1vs1.

Think of which if anyone knows any good youtuber or twitch players that play wonder woman please dm a link.

[buoyant lotus]

Jab iad nair wasn’t even the worst

The jab changes were a good thing

Doing this is crazy #combos message

Jab iad dair

[midnight echo]

sure it was broken but it was funn

[buoyant lotus]

💀💀💀

Nah just broken

Nothing fun about this

[midnight echo]

was fun to do

[glacial timber]

https://x.com/Panndorx/status/1808328670773498052?t=f1iUcbELBqXxji0H6CrZjw&s=19

[buoyant lotus]

Damn so basically the same level of OP

It’s crazy how not a lot of players know about this

So when wonderwoman got jab “buff” they thought it was an actual buff

I don’t even know why PFG framed it as a buff 😭

[glacial timber]

It worked better on big boys like superman but what I really focus my studies on was jab IAD Nair to dodge jab which like to stop working around 85%.

So jab to IAD Nair to jab was a bread and butter combo reset that increased wonder woman damage for free with its range of working 0-85+.

[buoyant lotus]

She was definitely broken high level

[buoyant lotus]

Someone tried to do her jab iad combos on me and got me to like 40 until they kept messing up the whole game

[glacial timber]

Recently?

[buoyant lotus]

Nah pre patch

[glacial timber]

So~ anyone see the changes video for game mechanics? I think overall this helps wonder woman.

[buoyant lotus]

By doing dash jab?

[glacial timber]

Wonder woman jabs range is subpar so we dont fish for them as much as other characters like Finn and Joker but depend on Nair more which sounds like will beat jabs more often due to priority changes.

[midnight echo]

not obvious that nair has higher priority

they said grounded moves would beat it i think

[glacial timber]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glacial timber]

Wave landing off the ledge is weird, you have to be airborne

[haughty karma]

played against a wonder woman whose lasso had no animation

just the sound and hitbox

very fun

Aceprime96

[surreal pecan]

Have you guys any suggestions when match up against Rick?

[crystal maple]

why does sair gives so much

like alot of combos

it's so annoying u get hit by sair and suddenly u eat tons of damage

or smth like thatr

[mortal mantle]

Cant wait for the nerfs

[dark vine]

Been taking a break from WW, how is she rn? Anyone got to Masters yet? Cuz I noticed my ranking fell a bit, from #40 to #70 while I didn't play her

[glacial timber]

So far I've talk to two people in masters but yeah there's a couple. I don't think they come here though~

[surreal pecan]

This is my ww's match up tier list after i reached master rank
#off-topic message

[glacial timber]

@surreal pecan you really think Shaggy that bad? I felt it was more 50/50 then losing.

Edit: especially with the rage changes no longer break armor

[humble frigate]

Also you win easily against rick + beetlejuice is just a free matchup rn, he is weak af

[fresh cobalt]

Been trying out this character and wow

That lasso neutral special is ridiculous

[surreal pecan]

That were kinda unfortunate exp for me because mostly when i got MU against any Shaggy mains, they were really good especially from movement tech that made me almost can't touch them and shaggy always got me easily with his combos

[surreal pecan]

If you easily win against Rick, that's good for u, but from my exp mostly good Rick mains that i fought were really annoyed because Rick's jabs are pretty faster and a bit further than my WW, even i tried keep distance from Rick, Rick will try transform himself into Giant so his jabs will become better and stronger

Beetlejuice, i put him into 0 because recently i've met a pretty good BJ mains, that exp made me won't sleep on them for sure. But still it's kinda 50/50

[fresh cobalt]

Is her grapple lasso perk better than her default pulling one or is it the other way around

Feel like you could do cool stuff with the grapple but it might be harder to position

[mortal mantle]

Nerf Ww

[surreal pecan]

🎣

[mortal mantle]

Bait?

How

What makes u think she doesnt need nerfs

She needs like 2000 nerfs

[surreal pecan]

why not try ww yourself

[mortal mantle]

I can do it rn, she is super easy and strong

[surreal pecan]

super easy and strong, yea2
try again then

[mortal mantle]

She has moves like foward air and nair

Super strong moves

[surreal pecan]

but beside, i get that why you said that
but i'm sure ww is already get nerfed enough

[mortal mantle]

With no risk at all

And hig reward

[mortal mantle]

Nahh

I think we aint playing the same game

[surreal pecan]

Nah (A.C.M, 2024)
i'm just follow what you said

[mortal mantle]

Tell me a reason she should not be nerfed

She has fast moves, They all super strong

And she is heavy

Oh True she also has free armor bcs yes

[surreal pecan]

Dude, with all due respect
i get why you said that
i don't want to go this further because we know we'll stand with what we said
we'll see for the next patch
if you still asking, why not find out yourself

[mortal mantle]

See not even u know

😂

[surreal pecan]

so are you

[mortal mantle]

I already said The reasons she should be nerfed

[glacial timber]

Wonder woman has powerful tools but she need to nickle and dime a lot to win.

It's all about how many neutral wins do they need and ability to control zone.

Arya busted because she can either do massive damage or just kill you at almost any %, Rick to a much lesser degree can do the same but has strong abilities to control neutral.

[surreal pecan]

Then let me do the both :
why she needs nerfed :

• her armor moves
• her nair

why she doesn't need nerfed :

• because she's only has like 1-2 combos from nair and jab as starters
• her armor (down special) is already pretty shorter, so mostly every oppt will keep distance from her when she get armor
• her movements have pretty a lot of punishable if we careless do that moves

That's why few reasons, ww right now is like a basic tank with less combo but good damage, but still can punishable
I'm sure you said this because you lost often against ww
I rather try to figure out how counter ww instead of complain of nerf ww until they kill ww
You're just kinda exaggarated it, like really
Super strong, super fast, and she still needs 2000 nerfed, bruh

But in the end, the decision is up to PFG
But i'm personally sure WW is already had enough get nerfed
I won't complain further about Morty like you did
@mortal mantle

[midnight echo]

ya

[fresh cobalt]

I actually won a 2v2 ranked match by spamming ground side special to get through bugs and adam’s projectile storm

[spring widget]

Any tips for a new ww player?

[spring widget]

It's dead in here lol

[dark vine]

play her like an assassin, not a tank

[spring widget]

Hmm ok

I dont play Assassins lol

[dark vine]

Fast and aggressive

[hearty hinge]

she lives for a long time if you dodge, she plays kind of like a smash character mostly

also side special kills pretty early

use rope too

jab to neutral attack is an easy combo

[spring widget]

Never played smash

[spring widget]

Ok

[hearty hinge]

she feels pretty easy to control is what I’m saying

[spring widget]

Nice

[hearty hinge]

she’s fairly slow but she can be really fast when played aggressive

she can definitely control the battle

I also usually go for down attack, nair, jab to up special and up attack

pretty good combo to rack up damage

[spring widget]

Thx

[midnight echo]

You don't really want to burst with jump in aerials tho

Aim to whiff punish with nair and then you can get a good combo/string

[spring widget]

Ok will try to do that

[dark vine]

this character is straight up broken

I struggled in D4 with Beetlejuice, switched back to WW and went from D4 to D2 in an hour

[glacial timber]

Wonder woman > Beetlejuice

[tidal sapphire]

Yeah beetle kinda mid this patch

[final flower]

Scum

[sturdy citrus]

exact same situation lmao

[midnight echo]

yeah

smash char who can do jab jab fsmash to ledgetrap for five years

[hearty hinge]

I picked her up when game launched, and I didn’t play beta, so she was one of the free alternating characters

I had mad fun playing as her since she felt familiar

now i like experimenting with new characters

she still fun asf in 2v2s

[dark vine]

master 5 in 1v1 baby

[final flower]

With Wonder Woman so by my calculations ur actually