I think the last hit on paddle is fine and the jerry thing like I said idk and don't truly agree but it's a change that probably wouldn't truly bother me and changing it likely won't do much for the people that don't like it. The players will just use him in other ways to annoy people.
#Tom And Jerry
odd wadi
subtle lotus
I think the last hit on paddle is fine and the jerry thing like I said idk and d...
I'm not talking about the last hit
The paddle hits if you whiff
So you can get pull back into an combo
And considering the trash collision hitboxes in this game, you will get pull back into the paddle if you try to counter
If they remove that, it would be an fair character
odd wadi
I see now, but that's not a good change because it's one of the combo tools. They can lower the range to make it stay a combo tool and not something that catches people on whiff but realistically it's not really whiffing if it's catching you. It has the range to make it useful because in my experience in closed testing and it didn't do much but I also don't recall much from those days. I just labeled it as not good
subtle lotus
I see now, but that's not a good change because it's one of the combo tools. The...
It wont affect being an combo tool
odd wadi
And considering the trash collision hitboxes in this game, you will get pull bac...
Or give it less pull back if you get caught with that "whiffed" hit
subtle lotus
Its just to make it, less spammy
subtle lotus
Or give it less pull back if you get caught with that "whiffed" hit
Bro dont try to safe that
Its not even fair
If you cant punish him at all
Also remove the paddle cancel on whiff
And the edges hitbox on whiff with paddle
subtle lotus
Its not even fair
You need to give an punish window for an move in an figthing game
If you dont, you can just abuse of one move
And thats all
odd wadi
There's a lot of things we all think aren't fair though. So just saying it unless it's something blatantly obvious in need of changing just saying it doesn't make it right. Like I said though I could be wrong but they're likely not gonna do half of that. I could see a range nerf for the uncharged version of the paddle but everything else probably not
Like you let me balance. Black Adam and Superman would probably not be balanced fairly 😂
odd wadi
And thats all
Also I mean no harm friend. We just don't agree but I'm not totally sure how to feel about t&j balance. Though definitely don't like them being boiled down to people just spamming paddle. So if they change it like you say and it stops paddle spam then good 👍 I definitely don't see pan changes coming. Idk why you feel that one is too big but I can say I've seen it tip somebody but that happens a lot with this game. I got tipped by bugs bunny baseball bat at the very end of the swing when he had slowed already and died from it so I mean.. that's just Multiversus Jank but again movement changes can probably relieve a lot of those things
ember monolith
underrated when you play him properly, overrated when you play him poorly
drifting pier
So an a tier character lol
drifting pier
underrated when you play him properly, overrated when you play him poorly
He’s def not underrated when u play him properly
Scum
ember monolith
He’s def not underrated when u play him properly
Nice ragebait lil bro
split jackal
In this game I played until day 1 Tom&Jerry as my main, I have 1700 wins and 1000 are with Tom&Jerry, I learned some interesting combos and tattics to make my opponent don't know what is going on the stage when he is fighting with me, I usully deal 300-400 damage to my opponent when I win and 200-150 when I lose. The fact that you can phisicly occupy HALF of the stage with projectiles would be S tire if only the projectiles would threw the enemy further away. If it wasn't that I usually have do deal to my opponent 190 damage to eliminate him, this character wuold be the strongest once you learn to use it properly
drifting pier
He literally is alr a strong character and everyone of them try and downplay it so bad
He literally has a projectile that beats out 95% of other moves
Like be fr
drifting pier
Nice ragebait lil bro
Yah lil bro stay in plat lobbies there more ur speed
split jackal
He literally has a projectile that beats out 95% of other moves
Not to mention the racket that reflects all the projectiles 😂 😂
ember monolith
In this game I played until day 1 Tom&Jerry as my main, I have 1700 wins and 100...
Idk if he could be the strongest overall, but he could be up there
drifting pier
If u play him right he’s easily a top 3 character
drifting pier
Not to mention the racket that reflects all the projectiles 😂 😂
The character can literally sit there and force u to approach
It’s kinda dumb
split jackal
I think that the rocket jerry should be buffed, it's an up special, but it eliminates from the bottom of the stage only when the opponent has 160 damage already
split jackal
If u play him right he’s easily a top 3 character
Absolutly
drifting pier
Yah it’s also a disjointed attack as well
So they can’t buff it much
It kills early and is. Consistent kill conform to
split jackal
The character can literally sit there and force u to approach
And when the enemy approach you use the rocket jerry attack,
@drifting pier you play T&J?
split jackal
Ah, I see 😂 , rick is preatty cool
drifting pier
I jsut know a lot about t&j bc me and hardcore fox would go back and forth
split jackal
It's very nasty to deal with
drifting pier
Yah he’s cool and not scum like half the cast
drifting pier
Appreciate it 🙏🏾
summer rivet
jery
coral turtle
anyone know how to deal with batman? the matchup is absolutely horrible for me and hes the character i typically lose to the most in masters.
raven onyx
anyone know how to deal with batman? the matchup is absolutely horrible for me a...
Reflect or dodge the batarang
coral turtle
issue is that the batarang is typically used for combos, so i can really only try and avoid getting jabbed
but yeah reflecting should work if they just throw it out 👍
raven onyx
Try and edgeguarding him
TnJ have a lot of tools to do that
Just beware of the uppercut
dawn iris
WOOO new skin
subtle lotus
WOOO new skin
I dont like it tbh
Maybe we could get an rework on paddle
Bc of the spam complains
Well, il love to see what's new for this character
slender matrix
The profile icon 🔥🔥
dawn iris
The profile icon 🔥🔥
true
I mean I like the skin but I don't LOVE the skin
I will say, I hope Tom & Jerry get a Batman & Robin skin for the Batman Day event
placid lake
make the kungfu tnj skin free on the battlepass pls
summer rivet
WOOOOOOOOO MORE T AND J STYFF
raven onyx
WOOOOOOOOO MORE T AND J STYFF
Im defo using that Tom ptp
sturdy yarrow
Where is the Cowboy skin from the beta also bring us the Zoot Suit
west escarp
Where is the Cowboy skin from the beta also bring us the Zoot Suit
If you're ever down in Texas, hit me up~
(That song is low-key really good)
subtle lotus
Bro there waesnt any inf with T&J
And they nerfed anyway the paddle
👎
They lit patch that
Ok ok
I read the pat h
Patch
So basically
We can paddle jump jerry shot
But we can't paddle into jab
Ok looks faor
Fair
Let me continue reading
Ok T&J looks super fair
Now we got new combo routes atleast
10/10 patch notes
There we go
Get out of here paddle spammers
This characters now got nerfed and it takes more skill than one button
Now you cant cancel it on whiff or jab, you need to jump into jerry shot to combo with it
And if you fail the paddle
You will get punish
Also what an good patches
So cool
earnest basalt
I like how they called out players who would stall until they hit the paddle
“This led to gameplay in which passive play was the primary choice until you could find a hit with the Up Attack.”
subtle lotus
I like how they called out players who would stall until they hit the paddle
“T...
That's so true
Bro fr those people, get out of here
I really try my best on playing T&J on the harder way
With 50/50 and Jerry set upts
Ups
But this spammy communty annoyes me
Il found the new combos with this latest patch notes
And experiment if we got new set ups or smth
earnest basalt
Alright then
I haven’t really gotten to the game in ages and I’m itching to play now that the new season is coming up
I’ll keep tabs on anything here
drifting pier
Hahahahaha scum
warm sonnet
Hahahahaha scum
tbh the only scum on Tom and Jerry are leaving tomorrow because they can no longer spam their favorite move.
drifting pier
tbh the only scum on Tom and Jerry are leaving tomorrow because they can no long...
Yah until than I’ll call them scum
blazing wind
split jackal
I use T&J since meta, and I never spammed the paddle attack: Tom&Jerry can do an hilarious amount of combo, and there are still a lot of player using this character so bad!
This patch will shourly nerf Tom&Jerry, but it was needed, the paddle attack has really broken hit box, I have to admit it
odd wadi
@subtle lotus Paddle can't be used to loop with jab is the only change it got. So not to toot my own horn but 
I figures just because most of the characters aren't getting crazy nerfs or buffs anymore. Wouldn't make sense for it to get crazy changes like that
I'm glad they took that stupid slide off batman dash attack
raven onyx
<@831591050950082591> Paddle can't be used to loop with jab is the only change i...
I didnt really use that loop
Could not land it bc my opps fall out of it
hidden verge
Alright weirdos
I think it’s time for me to switch mains
Time to go to the power puff girls babyyy
drowsy nexus
Good. they nerfed up attack but i hate that about infinite combo.
quartz locust
I miss beta TJ. I just played the new buffed LeBron and his projectiles are more annoying than fighting a TJ and no I was never a paddle spammer like some dude mentioned above.
dawn iris
Or maybe are servs issues
it likely is
dawn iris
And the moves feel like they are laggy
yeah... same with me even on rifts
subtle lotus
yeah... same with me even on rifts
Maybe we need to low the frames from the input buffer to play with this serv issues
storm monolith
I agree i have been playing and it feels like i’m skipping frames or lagging? very choppy idk. I’ve restarted the game and my xbox many times too
trim zealot
@subtle lotus I blame you for this patch.
Up tilt was fine. Just couldn’t jump into it and you would have been fine, but no, nerf it instead, destroying a fun combo in the process.
If anyone discovers a new route with comparable damage to this nerf, please let me know. I doubt there’s anything to compensate for this though, as tennis racket has no possible way of being able to combo into other moves.
raven onyx
<@831591050950082591> I blame you for this patch.
The paddle feels off
subtle lotus
Up tilt was fine. Just couldn’t jump into it and you would have been fine, but ...
Its not destroyed you can do the paddle string
The patch its fine, I just find the gameplay way to wacky
Should be serv lag or smth
trim zealot
Its not destroyed you can do the paddle string
The ground bounce one, or just into up air? Because there’s a massive difference between damage.
raven onyx
The ground bounce one, or just into up air? Because there’s a massive difference...
The paddle into Uair is fine
Good kill combo
subtle lotus
The ground bounce one, or just into up air? Because there’s a massive difference...
Well we got the traditional paddle into jerry shot
trim zealot
The paddle into Uair is fine
I figured that route was.
subtle lotus
We just cant cancel the paddle if we miss
As it should je
Be
Theres no point on having an move with no punish window on miss thats crazy
trim zealot
Ok. So it didn’t get destroyed. Alright. You’re off the hook Gogeta.
subtle lotus
Ok. So it didn’t get destroyed. Alright. You’re off the hook Gogeta.
I was talking to ajax for doing that single change
And they did it
raven onyx
Ok. So it didn’t get destroyed. Alright. You’re off the hook Gogeta.
Bros gonna jump Gogeta
subtle lotus
Its alr
trim zealot
We couldn’t cancel it on whiff before though, right?
raven onyx
We couldn’t cancel it on whiff before though, right?
Think so
trim zealot
I’m pretty sure.
subtle lotus
We couldn’t cancel it on whiff before though, right?
We could
You could jump, dodge and move after whiff
trim zealot
Oh wait, do you mean we now have to hit the first hit, and if it doesn’t connect, we can’t cancel it at all?
subtle lotus
Oh wait, do you mean we now have to hit the first hit, and if it doesn’t connect...
Yes you cant cancel the paddle on whiff
Bro the character needs to get punish
raven onyx
Yes you cant cancel the paddle on whiff
Then why did you say u could then
trim zealot
Bro the character needs to get punish
I’m not arguing against it.
subtle lotus
You cant just spam paddle and cancel it with no repercutions
trim zealot
I like the design philosophy of whiff punishing.
subtle lotus
Then why did you say u could then
I'm talking about the recent patch
subtle lotus
I like the design philosophy of whiff punishing.
Yea, I was complaining about that in the past
And all that you did was blaming me for telling ajax to remove it
trim zealot
Well, it just seemed like you wanted to get up tilt nerfed instead of people needing to adapt to it by not jumping into it.
subtle lotus
Well, it just seemed like you wanted to get up tilt nerfed instead of people nee...
Bro its not as simple as that
We got an reset to combo almost inf with paddle
raven onyx
Well, it just seemed like you wanted to get up tilt nerfed instead of people nee...
I think it got nerfed bc of the bigger characters struggling to get out
subtle lotus
I think it got nerfed bc of the bigger characters struggling to get out
Yep, the big hurtboxes don't help the huge characters
Its an small nerf
The character now its not braindead like before
And i love it
Nice patch
Now I just want the game to speed off
trim zealot
We got an reset to combo almost inf with paddle
I never meant to say the “infinite” wasn’t unfair, but we do need to have combos off of it. You argued for the move to be turned into a DI mix up. I don’t think it should be a DI mix up, so I’m still happy as long as we have the combo, and it isn’t a mix up.
subtle lotus
The gameplay its feeling wacky with all of these fast approach options an slow gameplay
raven onyx
The game now feels faster for me
subtle lotus
I never meant to say the “infinite” wasn’t unfair, but we do need to have combos...
It is an di mix up
subtle lotus
It is an di mix up
You got to read the di to perform an combo
trim zealot
Once my game finishes the asset chache I’ll check.
subtle lotus
But the characters are so huge in this game, so they cant get out of it
Idk i think T&J should get an speed buff
trim zealot
If they’re heavy, they shouldn’t have to worry. With the auto-tech they’ll get out after the second bounce anyway.
subtle lotus
If they’re heavy, they shouldn’t have to worry. With the auto-tech they’ll get o...
Well it's ok
But anyways
They eliminated the paddle spam
trim zealot
Idk i think T&J should get an speed buff
We finally agree on something.
subtle lotus
It was unpunishable
raven onyx
Oh greatt
subtle lotus
We finally agree on something.
An character being so light and slow its bad
raven onyx
Time for a yapp
subtle lotus
But T&J it's an b tier fair and square
trim zealot
Time for a yapp
Has this been brought up before?
subtle lotus
Now no one can cry about this character everyday I see this chat
raven onyx
Has this been brought up before?
Yea the paddle was fine before until people were complaining about it even with the tech mechanc
subtle lotus
Also i didnt liked the down air change
subtle lotus
Yea the paddle was fine before until people were complaining about it even with ...
Its not about the combo
The fact that you cant get punished by spamming one move its insane
raven onyx
Also i didnt liked the down air change
wat
subtle lotus
Imagine arya spamming down tilt
And he dont have an punish window
Bc he can cancel his endlag
That was the paddle situation before the recent patch
trim zealot
Yea the paddle was fine before until people were complaining about it even with ...
Oh, I meant the speed of T&J. You said something about being ready for a “yapp”.
I didn’t know what you meant.
raven onyx
Imagine arya spamming down tilt
Arya feels unbearable now ot am i wrong
raven onyx
I didn’t know what you meant.
I didnt clarify tbh
subtle lotus
Paddle its the same, the only change was that if you dont hit atleast one paddle hit you cant cancel the endlag
subtle lotus
Arya feels unbearable now ot am i wrong
Idk, i didnt played too much mvs today
subtle lotus
Paddle its the same, the only change was that if you dont hit atleast one paddle...
Which its super fair
Also it's strange that the actual devs took my balance changes
And they actually did what i said
Lol
raven onyx
Can we talk about why WW got Buffed
subtle lotus
Can we talk about why WW got Buffed
Ok that got nosense
The patch notes almost end being an 10/10 changes
And when i saw that Wonder Woman change, it was disgusting
raven onyx
And when i saw that Wonder Woman change, it was disgusting
I cant remember what it was
subtle lotus
They didn't nerf her bc its Nakat main
subtle lotus
I cant remember what it was
They buff his huge side air speed on air
raven onyx
They buff his huge side air speed on air
man
subtle lotus
Oh nvm
Nvm
Maintain less momentum in the air
But in the first frames it's faster
Idk what to say
raven onyx
Nakat is defo hiding something
subtle lotus
Jajaja
Bro
You khow what T&J needs
More speeds, he feels way to slow to be an light character
raven onyx
More speeds, he feels way to slow to be an light character
And Armor
raven onyx
Just speed
Im not playing Ultra Instinct TnJ
subtle lotus
Im not playing Ultra Instinct TnJ
His way to slow
He cant aproach anyway after the buff they gave him
raven onyx
I use speed force so
subtle lotus
Bc he's slow
subtle lotus
I use speed force so
I use speed force
And its not fast enough
He should get the same amount of speed of harley quinn
raven onyx
Sometimes i question what goes through PFGs head with WW
subtle lotus
Sometimes i question what goes through PFGs head with WW
They like to see his comics and draws a lot, also Arya stark its another favorite
raven onyx
They like to see his comics and draws a lot, also Arya stark its another favorit...
Im not suprised its Arya aswell
subtle lotus
Man if T&J gets an speed buff
And become even ligther
But even faster than batman
Would be an big W
raven onyx
And become even ligther
What would the point that im not dying at 60
subtle lotus
Maybe not as fast as Batman.
Man I'm desperate for an speed buff on him
His way to slow even with the speed force
He should be faster than harley
trim zealot
I think that would just get people to complain about T&J again.
It has to be subtle but still a nice change.
subtle lotus
I think that would just get people to complain about T&J again.
Nah it wont
Its just an speed buff
Won't be that bad
Atleast a lil bit more speedy
Bc he feels way to slow
raven onyx
Its just an speed buff
The game went nuclear when Finn got buffed
subtle lotus
The game went nuclear when Finn got buffed
What?
subtle lotus
People wanted Finn nerfed bc of 0td which was untrue i think
Yep
Finn its lit an noob abuser
The casual community
Always complain bc they are worst than trash playing the game
Like they don't khow what's di meaning
And when they get 0td by finn, when someone tells him to learn how to di
They just continue crying about being bad
raven onyx
And when they get 0td by finn, when someone tells him to learn how to di
I did complain about it ill admit but i shut my mouth once i learned to counter it
subtle lotus
I did complain about it ill admit but i shut my mouth once i learned to counter ...
I didnt since the beggining
I have experience from other platform figthers
So it was easy
raven onyx
I have experience from other platform figthers
I do play Smash but i didn't see that type of 0td as much so it kept catching me
subtle lotus
I do play Smash but i didn't see that type of 0td as much so it kept catching me
Its not about an 0td catching you
Its an di problem
If you dont khow how to di you will get in the combo everytime
raven onyx
Its an di problem
I was unsure about it tbh
safe valve
Tom and Jerry feels a bit off I’m not moving or getting people the same
molten loom
can someone explain why up tilt is still so broken ?
like they legit didn't nerf the ground up attack
raven onyx
like they legit didn't nerf the ground up attack
Oh here we go again
molten loom
Oh here we go again
yeah here we go again
they didn't nerf it
if u call removing a loop that's a 0td a nerf
the nerf did nothing to the move itself
same startups
same everything
the move is still broken
u wanna argue ?
raven onyx
if u call removing a loop that's a 0td a nerf
IT WASNT A 0TD
molten loom
i really don't give a single caring f about the loop
the move is broken
i don't care if they removed the loop
raven onyx
IF YOUR REPEATING GETTING HIT BY IT ITS ON YOU
molten loom
th emove itself needs a nerf
raven onyx
STOP THROWING A TANTURM WHEN YOU HIT BY IT ON REPEAT
molten loom
i really don't understand the iq of most of the members here
ur legit saying
if u keep getting hit by joker's jab season 1
that's on u
stupid arguement that has nothing to do with the move
odd wadi
like they legit didn't nerf the ground up attack
Because it didn't need to be touched much. Just made so it can't be spammed free of consequences
molten loom
Because it didn't need to be touched much. Just made so it can't be spammed free...
LOL
odd wadi
LOL
Told the same thing to the Gogeta guy. It's not gonna get nerfs like people wanted. The loop was likely the only thing getting nerfed and they removed the cancel from it on whiff
It's one of the more crucial parts of their moveset.
But i saw gogeta saying thr change was good despite the laundry list of changes they gave for it before this patch
molten loom
so ur saying that u actually believe that grounded up attack which is arguably one of the best if not the best grounded up attack shouldn't get nerfed and it's balanced rn
wow
and yes by saying best grounded up attack i mean it's broken
u can't buff tnj and leave his broken stuff
legit at the patch notes
they said his kit relied on the up attack
so they buff everything else without nerfing the up attack
LOL
odd wadi
so they buff everything else without nerfing the up attack
Good yes
Best up attack I wouldn't say that but go off 
raven onyx
how we feeling the patch notes, Tom-bros?
Dont know bc its only day 2
hidden verge
Tom and Jerry weren’t touched bro
ember monolith
Tom and Jerry weren’t touched bro
are you good?
hidden verge
are you good?
Like as in the patch only makes us not able to jab after paddle but ALL of our combos still exist and they made tennis racket a ground bounce for even more combo potential
Neutral air into dodge sair is a thing
ember monolith
Like as in the patch only makes us not able to jab after paddle but ALL of our c...
I’m jus playing, been taking a break from multiversus
safe patrol
I think Tom & Jerry might be my favourite character so far (Mind you, I haven’t played everyone)
subtle lotus
Tom and Jerry weren’t touched bro
They did, paddle was an unpunishable move bc you could cancel the endlag on the move
And that its broken
If you think that paddle its broken
You got to be an bronze or gold player
Learn how to play
subtle lotus
If you think that paddle its broken
Paddle got nerfed, now you cant cancel the endlag so you can actually punish it, if you are not stupid to lit get near to the paddle and get hit
Paddle its an combo tool
And also it's risky bc you can get heavy punish
The paddle endlag its way to win
Way to long
ember monolith
They did, paddle was an unpunishable move bc you could cancel the endlag on the ...
there isn't any endlag on it
worn garden
there isn't any endlag on it
It is, comparing it to last season, you cant chain it into a dair anymore
trim zealot
there isn't any endlag on it
But the move is super long. We can’t cancel it early on whiff either. If we happen to miss all of the hits of paddle it’s almost a guarantee we’ll get punished. Just try not jump into it, and only approach us from the air if we are also in the air, since we only have like 3 (as of the latest patch) aerial combo starters.
The moves that we can use to start combos in the air are Jerry shot, down air, and tennis racket thanks to the latest buff.
Anything else, and we won’t get a combo (barring walls).
clever folio
This character is actually so no skill braindead everything they do is just spam the same combo
Skill isn't actually rewarded in this game it's just clicking the same broken buttons
trim zealot
Are you trying to make a statement about the game or just T&J? Because I think there can be an argument made for many characters who will “spam” the same moves, whether it be for their safety, reward, or both.
Most players will obviously use their combo starters more than other moves, and there’s a lot of those in MVS.
If you mean to complain about T&J mainly using paddle, Jerry shot, and down air, that’s like me complaining about Batman mostly using jab, batarang, and dash attack. Those moves will net the most reward as combo starters, and safety isn’t decided by shields in this game, so anything fast enough to not be whiff punished could be considered “safe”.
If you have trouble punishing paddle, like most people who complain in this channel, just don’t jump into it. Punish it from the ground and you’ll be fine.
clever folio
He can fill the screen with projectiles and it's so hard to dodge
He has too much good melee game for a mage
And he has insane combo game that can lead you to 50 damage until the techs
He also doesn't have difficulty killing at all
trim zealot
I won’t disagree about kill power, but the damage claim is false. I have labbed them out every patch, and only in the last patch (and the beta) could we do that much damage off a combo. Most we can do now as a true combo is like %30-%40. We can only get a %40ish off a couple moves. If you’re having trouble with projectiles, I can’t help you beyond recommending some more MU experience and using some anti-projectile perks, or you could just play black Adam.
It’s possible we could deal around %50 if you consider disadvantage, but you really need to be getting juggled for that to realistically happen.
split jackal
He can fill the screen with projectiles and it's so hard to dodge
That's the power of this character, but you have to use it right, it's not that easy as you say to play T&J properly, you have SO MANY DAM COMBOS, if you don't use the right ones wile plyaing against a character like Fin of Jake (for example) you'll pay for it
split jackal
He also doesn't have difficulty killing at all
That's why I play this character. If played right is so damm good, and trust me, it's even balanced, because it's preatty hard to eliminate somebody if he has lower damages than 140
rich eagle
I play T&J because I wanna clown on people
drowsy nexus
Am I playing him wrong cause why tf I need to get someone to 140 to kill them
subtle lotus
Bro
This meta its insane
I cant win an single game against the top tiers
Maybe bc T&J its like b tier at 1s
I should try 2v2s
split jackal
Am I playing him wrong cause why tf I need to get someone to 140 to kill them
If you want to eliminate someone that has lower damage than 100 with T&J you shoud go with body to body attacks, otherwise you have to deal like 180/160 damage to eliminate with a ìn ordinary stile of fight
split jackal
I cant win an single game against the top tiers
You can but you have to tryhard like hell, it's not worth it, unless you really love pain and this character in general
it's just easier to use batman or superman
if you're using them, with the right combo you can eliminate someone that is at 60/80 damage
subtle lotus
I play T&J at the correct way
The problem is that i let them on 150 or 200% and they dont die, also they kill me on 60
Shaggy
Ppf
And batman
Are the current top 3
Also wonder woman its top tier
drowsy nexus
If you want to eliminate someone that has lower damage than 100 with T&J you sho...
Girl what do you think I’m doing
That rocket attack don’t work the foshing rod barely work and the mouse trap works at 120
split jackal
I wasn't belittling you or saying you're no good, don't worry.
I'm not here to meke fin of you or meke you fell unconfortable
split jackal
That rocket attack don’t work the foshing rod barely work and the mouse trap wor...
I now that sucks
spiral granite
Bruh this character is insane
Actual insane
Unfair character
Broken hitboxes
Not actually fair
What an joke
slender matrix
The player is good/bad matchmaking ❌
Tom is broken ✅
spiral granite
The player is good/bad matchmaking ❌
Tom is broken ✅
Lil bro he is top 4
He has loops
His hitboxes are broken
slender matrix
Pera, tu é brasileiro? 🧐
spiral granite
Pera, tu é brasileiro? 🧐
Talvez
hollow flax
He has loops
He still has loops? I thought they were removed
spiral granite
He still has loops? I thought they were removed
Yeah lol
slender matrix
Talvez
Bem, quem abusa de looping nesse jogo é um baita trouxa. N consigo ver o tom tendo hitbox quebrada comparando com jack, as meninas, etc. E ele é bem leve pra compensar o potencial de dano
ember monolith
Skill isn't actually rewarded in this game it's just clicking the same broken bu...
play any other fighting game then, sounds like you need a break
subtle lotus
Yeah lol
He dont bruh
Tom and jerry cant win an a tier or top tier character
Its impossible
The character its not that insane
Its hard to use at the correct way
Even garnet it's better than this character
They nerfed paddle
The reset options
The loop
But we got 50/50 atleast with ground bounce tech
Also there's no loop
@spiral granite You probably got skill issue
T&J dont fit even at the top 20
This game new meta is nuts
Almost every character can beat T&J now
Even more considering the fact that the paddle can't he cancel on whiff
So there's an free punish if he spam it
sturdy yarrow
Yeah lol
My sweet summer morty learn to tech better he doesn't have loops your just being read like a book
spiral granite
So there's an free punish if he spam it
This downplaying is not saving yall from nerfs 😭🙏
subtle lotus
This downplaying is not saving yall from nerfs 😭🙏
Not downplaying
The character its not that insane
If you khow how to counter him
He cant win an single match against the a tier or s tier
Hes not that good at all
spiral granite
He cant win an single match against the a tier or s tier
He can
subtle lotus
Nope
He cant win to shaggy
Steven
Stripe
Shaggy its horrendous
Man his so op
spiral granite
Hes not that good at all
Buddy he is like the top 1 mage check tier lists from pros
subtle lotus
He cant win to garnet
subtle lotus
Buddy he is like the top 1 mage check tier lists from pros
I think your were seeing veriflied tier list
Lol
spiral granite
He cant win to garnet
Skill gapped
subtle lotus
The top 1 mage got to be bugs
spiral granite
I think your were seeing veriflied tier list
Nah, people from the pro cord
spiral granite
The top 1 mage got to be bugs
Oh i forgot abt bugs, but like TnJ are basically at the same level
subtle lotus
You got to be really good to perform this
But if you do this correctly
You can stack like 140 dmg
With an 50/50 on tech bounce
And thats really hard to do
But yeah, he's really good stacking dmg with 50/50 that I think they are insanely op
But are super hard to perform
And you probably didn't face one of those T&J
I khow how to do the tech bounce 50/50
subtle lotus
Oh i forgot abt bugs, but like TnJ are basically at the same level
I dont think so
Rick its better than him also
spiral granite
Rick its better than him also
Nah
subtle lotus
Reindog with his spam its better than T&J
T&J by himself after the paddle nerfs its not that good
Its the player
He can stack a lot of dmg only if you can read consistently your opponent
Or it's useless
@spiral granite I mean its an mu problem for you bc you use morty
sturdy yarrow
Stop being predictable with your tech and you will be fine
subtle lotus
But really if you manage to kill jerry its easy for most of the cast
subtle lotus
Stop being predictable with your tech and you will be fine
Yes
T&J its not that crazy
Just try to not get read
Change your dodge and tech pattern and you'll be fine
spiral granite
Change your dodge and tech pattern and you'll be fine
Its not only his loops its also how strong Jerry shot is and how stupif his down air hitbox is
His down air hitbox is the size of Gizmo
subtle lotus
Its not only his loops its also how strong Jerry shot is and how stupif his down...
He dont have loops
They patch them
subtle lotus
His down air hitbox is the size of Gizmo
Ok ngl that's true
Down air its stupid
But they nerfed the paddle and loops its not that big of the deal
Its an free punish
spiral granite
He dont have loops
Not really, the only thing changed is that his jab doesnt work after paddle but stuff like Jerry shot do
subtle lotus
Not really, the only thing changed is that his jab doesnt work after paddle but ...
Yeah and he cant loop bc of the tech bounce
Only tech reading wich all characters can
If that's your point, even superman got his loops on the game
That's an player aspect not the character
spiral granite
But they nerfed the paddle and loops its not that big of the deal
He can run from being punished cuz paddle lets him move even from whiff, and paddle can also suck u in if u try to punish him with jab
subtle lotus
He can run from being punished cuz paddle lets him move even from whiff, and pad...
Bro
Hes an free punish
You got like 10 seconds to punish the paddle if he whiff
You dont have to be that near to punish the paddle
sturdy yarrow
My guy this is a skill issue. Paddle has so much whiff lag now
subtle lotus
All characters got atleast one poking option
subtle lotus
My guy this is a skill issue. Paddle has so much whiff lag now
Ye agree
Theres a lot better characters than him right now
Lit most of the cast its better than T&J now
Except gizmo why they nerfed him so bad
What he did
?
And now stripe its op
Damm
subtle lotus
What tier do u think TnJ is rn
Maybe low a
Not that good, but not that bad
I'm talking about 1s
In 2s, maybe s tier
Or top tier
spiral granite
Maybe low a
I would say mid S tier
subtle lotus
I would say mid S tier
Nope
His not mid s tier
As i said
An character with an horrible disadvantage state like him
Lit becoming the worst character at the game without jrrry
Jerry
He cant be s tier with that kind of weaknesses
spiral granite
Lit becoming the worst character at the game without jrrry
Wow whats this downplay
subtle lotus
Considering that his super light
subtle lotus
Wow whats this downplay
I'm not downplaying
His trash without jerry
He got no options
Only the dynamite
Wich its an get out of me tool
upper swallow
And now stripe its op
Stripe is balanced :D
subtle lotus
Stripe is balanced :D
Yeah and batman its balanced too
upper swallow
Yeah and batman its balanced too
Erm nuh uh
subtle lotus
Ngl i like the fact that stripe its top tier with batman
Loving it
He super deserved it
upper swallow
Batman is DC he deserves it
subtle lotus
Batman is DC he deserves it
Yeah batman its my favorite superhero
But he's way to broken
All the times when I play an batman with T&J
I get turbo clapped, with 500 dmg taken
Hes way to op
And ppf too
Also Garnet its insane right noe
Nice
marble obsidian
Lit most of the cast its better than T&J now
😭🙏
upper swallow
@subtle lotus Who wins the TnJ IG MU?
marble obsidian
Good thing he has it then
nocturne ferry
T&J just combo him
subtle lotus
But most of the cast could win IG bc he's an huge character
spiral granite
Well he's nothing without his paddle spam
Dair and Jerry shot already make an character A tier alone
subtle lotus
But IG could cheese now that i think
nocturne ferry
I have no clue how to improve and i just get battered in ranked 😭
subtle lotus
Dair and Jerry shot already make an character A tier alone
And thats all his good stufd
Stuff
upper swallow
And thats all his good stufd
Dair
subtle lotus
He dont have great kill confirms
spiral granite
And thats all his good stufd
His jab is also really good
upper swallow
He dont have great kill confirms
You are geekin of that galaxy gas
nocturne ferry
lol
subtle lotus
His jab is also really good
Meh tbh
spiral granite
He dont have great kill confirms
Not really his up air is really good
subtle lotus
You are geekin of that galaxy gas
Nope he struggles to kill a lot
I always got my opponent like at 150
nocturne ferry
Not really his up air is really good
tell me how its not killing at 100+% then?
subtle lotus
Hes really good doing tons of dmg reading
upper swallow
I always got my opponent like at 150
Skill issue quite literally
spiral granite
Meh tbh
Wdym meh its hitbox is an massive disjoint just bcs he takes a Lil to recover from it
subtle lotus
But not that good confirming at high percents
subtle lotus
Skill issue quite literally
Its not skill issue
spiral granite
Wdym meh its hitbox is an massive disjoint just bcs he takes a Lil to recover fr...
Doesnt mean its bad
nocturne ferry
I have a major skill issue this season bruh i have a 26% win rate in ranked lmao
subtle lotus
I have like 80 with T&J
nocturne ferry
I have a major skill issue this season bruh i have a 26% win rate in ranked lmao
Not even complaining i just dunno how to improve lol
spiral granite
Its not skill issue
When i was fighting the top 3 TnJ he could comfirm pretty well
subtle lotus
Also it's super funny when I get matchmaked with a lot of grandmaster Shaggys
subtle lotus
When i was fighting the top 3 TnJ he could comfirm pretty well
I'm talking about 160 percent
nocturne ferry
bro i keep getting matched with people in diamond and plat in bronze
tell me how thats fair
upper swallow
When i was fighting the top 3 TnJ he could comfirm pretty well
Cause he has good confirms
spiral granite
Cause he has good confirms
I know
subtle lotus
Then kill them before 160
My style of playing its lit stacking a lot of dmg with his new 50/50
Lit i let the character at 170 or 150
Then it's hard to confirm
subtle lotus
You need to change it then lil bro
I dont like to robbery that much
subtle lotus
Living to 170 Vs TnJ shouldnt happen
Happends to me way to often
upper swallow
I dont like to robbery that much
Then you arent playing the character
subtle lotus
Then you arent playing the character
I think thats why people think he's s tier?
Bc of the robbery?
upper swallow
I think thats why people think he's s tier?
He is A tier
subtle lotus
He is A tier
Yep I think low a its fine
nocturne ferry
i end up dying at 100 instantly against over half the cast
i've seen PPG kill me with up attack at 90
lmao
subtle lotus
He is A tier
I really need to send you some of my clips leaving s tier characters at 170
Then dying at 90
So frustrating
spiral granite
I really need to send you some of my clips leaving s tier characters at 170
Use dash attack or down air
subtle lotus
Use dash attack or down air
Dash attack its trash
spiral granite
Pretty sure they kill
nocturne ferry
ok? dair doesn't kill until 150+
spiral granite
ok? dair doesn't kill until 150+
Thats not true it combos into up air
spiral granite
Top 3 TnJ killed me at 80 with it
subtle lotus
Thats not true it combos into up air
You cant combo down air into up air at percent higher than 110
nocturne ferry
well thats top 3 T&J lol
spiral granite
Top 3 TnJ killed me at 80 with it
I won tho
subtle lotus
Top 3 TnJ killed me at 80 with it
Yeah we khow
upper swallow
You cant combo down air into up air at percent higher than 110
They should be dead then
:)
subtle lotus
They should be dead then
Ik but but
spiral granite
Yeah we khow
Also TnJ fair is pretty good
subtle lotus
I really love to stack tons of dmg
spiral granite
Also TnJ fair is pretty good
Use it to kill
subtle lotus
Ye
Down air into up air its way to cheap
Really disgusting
But yeah the character seems balanced
If they made the down air more horizontal, it couldn't confirm into up air
So its solvex
Solved
spiral granite
If they made the down air more horizontal, it couldn't confirm into up air
Just make down air hitbox smaller
subtle lotus
Bruh fr
sturdy yarrow
Dude go back to the morty cord and take your skill issue with you
raven onyx
Is this chat now whining about a Cat and mouse that hate each other
subtle lotus
They complain about T&J wich its not that broken
And they say that ppf are fine
Low a
spiral granite
Dude go back to the morty cord and take your skill issue with you
All u do is talk abt skill issue when i am pretty sure im beating u with ease without even trying 😭
sturdy yarrow
@spiral granite Doubt it I play Tom the broken S tier remember
spiral granite
<@1261826928097104012> Doubt it I play Tom the broken S tier remember
But ur so bad it doesnt matter
sturdy yarrow
But Tom's so broken isn't he ? That's what you've spent the last few hours whining about so even if I am ass you would still get clapped
subtle lotus
Bruh
nocturne ferry
if tom is broken explain my 20% win rate? clearly if was using tom i'd be hard carried right?💀
subtle lotus
But ur so bad it doesnt matter
This bro its saying T&J it S, bc its an horrible mu for morty
Hes not s tier
He got to be low a
spiral granite
if tom is broken explain my 20% win rate? clearly if was using tom i'd be hard ...
Thats bcs ur bad
subtle lotus
His just trash talking
spiral granite
Thats bcs ur bad
Sadly
nocturne ferry
no i also have a major skill issue that im not afraid to admit
did i not just admit to a skill issue?
💀
spiral granite
did i not just admit to a skill issue?
But u just asked why
And i gave u an answear
nocturne ferry
its called sarcasm 💀
subtle lotus
But u just asked why
Bro one ques
Did you get to masters in season 2?
@spiral granite
nocturne ferry
i'm ngl i quit at gold 5 last season 😭
subtle lotus
Why your complaining about T&J if you khow he has more weaknesses than strengths
subtle lotus
I'm talking with the morty main
nocturne ferry
ah alr
subtle lotus
Hes not s tier
nocturne ferry
my bad
subtle lotus
He's an low a tier even high b
T&J just win the mu
That doesn't mean that his broken
spiral granite
Why your complaining about T&J if you khow he has more weaknesses than strengths
Funny that the top 1 player rn is an TnJ main
nocturne ferry
that doesn't mean anything its been a few days what 😭
subtle lotus
Funny that the top 1 player rn is an TnJ main
Hes top 1 bc he grind a lot, not bc its an good character
I entered his stream and all that he does it's losing against the meta
And thats ok
Bc T&J its not strong
His like mid
His paddle got nerfed, and you got a lot of time to punish
The only broken stuff that he could have its jerry shot surpassing every projectile
And down air hitbox
marble obsidian
if tom is broken explain my 20% win rate? clearly if was using tom i'd be hard ...
Could never get this outta me
spiral granite
I entered his stream and all that he does it's losing against the meta
Skill issue
nocturne ferry
Could never get this outta me
ngl i know i have a major skill issue i just don't know where to start with improving lol
subtle lotus
Skill issue
Its not skill issue, it's the meta surpassing the character
subtle lotus
Skill issue
Its like saying if you lose with morty against arya in season 2, it's skill issue
When arya at that time, got inf down tilt spam
Double up special 0td
subtle lotus
Skill issue
Your complaining way to much
Your the one with skill issue who think T&J its s tier
Lol
raven onyx
Your the one with skill issue who think T&J its s tier
TnJ struggle against Armor
subtle lotus
Lit nobody has complain about this character before this patch
His lit an balanced character besides the down air hitbox
subtle lotus
TnJ struggle against Armor
A lot
nocturne ferry
the mu against ww is hell
subtle lotus
TnJ struggle against Armor
Why Garnet its so good right now also
raven onyx
Why Garnet its so good right now also
What?
subtle lotus
I mean now Garnet could win to T&J
He can counter the projectiles
And ledge trap you with armored moves
Also she's even faster
nocturne ferry
i'm gonna try and finally leave bronze cause its startin to really annoy me lol
😭
like i'm not gonna sit here and hide my skill issue
raven onyx
Also she's even faster
Isnt Garnet a female?
subtle lotus
Idk this new meta its strange
subtle lotus
Isnt Garnet a female?
Oh yeah sry for the misspelling
nocturne ferry
the matchmaking is also putting me with ppl in like diamond +
subtle lotus
the matchmaking is also putting me with ppl in like diamond +
Its not the matchmaking
Its your mmr
subtle lotus
My mmr its high so I get matchmaked with grandmasters
raven onyx
MMR system is wack
nocturne ferry
makes me wish i never took a break in s2 lol
raven onyx
Its skill based
Ik it is
subtle lotus
You'll get matchmaked with some
I have beat some grandmasters
But only if they arent using shaggy
Man shaggy its top 1
nocturne ferry
i hate shaggy man
raven onyx
Man shaggy its top 1
If i could id force him to spit out that rock he ate
nocturne ferry
bro his rage
subtle lotus
If i could id force him to spit out that rock he ate
Bro shaggy should be bottom tier
Pls mvs
Bro also they lit bust gizmo
His trash
raven onyx
Aint he the starter character aswell💀
subtle lotus
All the people were complaining about him even before they nerfed him a lot of times
raven onyx
Aint he the starter character aswell💀
(Not Gizmo
subtle lotus
Now he got to be bottom tier
subtle lotus
(Not Gizmo
I think his talking about shaggy
raven onyx
I think his talking about shaggy
Ik
U know Bugs defeat pose?
Thats me when i lose to bc that stupid knee
subtle lotus
Bro I only get matmacked with shaggy at diamond or master
He got to be top 1
Bc of his playrate and stupid gimmick
And ofc the second place is batman
Then ppf
And taz
raven onyx
He got to be top 1
I never see BA,Velma,BG,PPG,Taz etc
subtle lotus
I never see BA,Velma,BG,PPG,Taz etc
I always see batman, Shaggy, ppf, and tazz
Lit the new top tiers
Also wonder woman
Got to be top tier
T&J its an really easy to kill character and even with that all people complains about the character
raven onyx
T&J its an really easy to kill character and even with that all people complains...
WW is so infurating to fight
Aswell
subtle lotus
T&J by himself its not that good, with this new patch, the player it's the one carrying the character, bc with this new 50/50 and reading situation you can stack like 150
subtle lotus
WW is so infurating to fight
I play really passive against her
And down tilt its important
raven onyx
Cant you run away from her?
subtle lotus
Cant you run away from her?
WW with shield objective its to rush
Some tips for the mu are
raven onyx
WW with shield objective its to rush
Yeaa
subtle lotus
Not doing jerry shot
And wait till his near enough to down tilt
You can use mouse trap
To eliminate the shield
Or if she's rushing from the air
You could use paddle as an anti air, then bc its an multi hit, after 1 hit, he'll get catched into the combo
T&J its an neutral control character
You need to use your jerry tools at another lv to make the character go against top tiers
For example
If you place your jerry at specific place at the ground you can use the rocket as an anti air
raven onyx
If you place your jerry at specific place at the ground you can use the rocket a...
Im tryna figure out how to cancel it to hit it with the racket
nocturne ferry
T&J's disadvantage feels awful
subtle lotus
Im tryna figure out how to cancel it to hit it with the racket
Oh that's super simple
Ik how to do it
subtle lotus
T&J's disadvantage feels awful
That's the point
You won't get rewarded for losing jerry
You need to use diferent ways to not losing him
subtle lotus
Im tryna figure out how to cancel it to hit it with the racket
So when you do the rocket with jerry
You can cancel the remote controller just by pressing dodge
It doesn't consume any stamina metter so it's ok
Then you can jump into it
Or paddle it
raven onyx
Oh that's super simple
I like how it took me 3 seasons to figure it out
nocturne ferry
You can cancel the remote controller just by pressing dodge
.
subtle lotus
And if they do it
nocturne ferry
dw
subtle lotus
Jerry dies
nocturne ferry
i know
nocturne ferry
i was on about it being that simple
i never knew how it was done
not that i'd ever do it
subtle lotus
If your ally catch someone in an combo you could send jerry there with an rocket
dusty nova
Every character getting reworks and combo buffs and they over here removing toms ability to cancel paddle into mallet
spiral granite
Every character getting reworks and combo buffs and they over here removing toms...
Good
quasi totem
mother of god nerf tj what are you wating for, gme die?
patent prawn
mother of god nerf tj what are you wating for, gme die?
They already nerfed them, they nerfed paddle
subtle lotus
mother of god nerf tj what are you wating for, gme die?
They nerfed him a lot
His fair right now
subtle lotus
mother of god nerf tj what are you wating for, gme die?
T&J its more like an player situation
Right now he got some 50/50 on tech bounce that can stack lots of dmg if he reads you
T&J its basically about reading
If your predictable, you will get like 170 dmg
But if the Tom and jerry miss one prediction
You got like 10 secs of paddle whiff to counter him
Its fair
50/50
If he fails you get the full punish and bc his light you could kill him earlier
And if he predict you, he could stack some dmg
subtle lotus
Every character getting reworks and combo buffs and they over here removing toms...
I mean its ok, atleast we can jump to follow up in an combo, he was really broken with his jab paddle reset
And his paddle cancel on whiff
They remove those and now he's an fair character
Some people can use the 100% potential of the character and show people its broken
But he really isn't
You can do some games by yourself, and you can see that his garbage
Paddle its garbage and his disadvantage it's even worst
trim zealot
Paddle its garbage and his disadvantage it's even worst
I haven’t noticed much of a difference with paddle. For starters I don’t just throw it out, so it’s either a whiff punish on the opponent for aerials, or a combo extension if I read the opponent. Secondly, it’s not so much a DI mix up as it is just the Tom player having to watch the opponents movements while being hit. The move is still fantastic, we just have to be more careful about using it than before, which was only really a problem if you relied solely on the loops. I think we got buffed more than nerfed tbh, tennis racket is actually useful for more than just reflecting projectiles now.
subtle lotus
I haven’t noticed much of a difference with paddle. For starters I don’t just th...
I didnt got affected by the changes
I'm playing better with the racket buff
It makes a lot of options for him
An 50/50
trim zealot
With the racket? You can land some true combos with it now.
No need for mix ups on racket.
dusty nova
Good
Nah bruh paddle into mallet was fine every character can combo like that the infinite was patched with the dodge system removing one of toms main combo strings is dumb
trim zealot
Nah bruh paddle into mallet was fine every character can combo like that the inf...
We still have other combo routes. Paddle remains a good move, and jab can still serve as a combo starter. We might not have as many conversions as before, but we deal about the same damage per combo as before, but now we have an extra combo starter in tennis racket. Given racket combos are short, but it is nice to have more options than just Jerry shot, frying pan, paddle, and jab.
I think this “nerf” just serves to stop people from complaining about T&J for 5 minutes before they realize they still haven’t learned how to deal with a projectile/brawler hybrid.
trim zealot
Just found a new kill confirm. If you hit an opponent with racket towards the ledge at about 90-100%, you can follow up with a frying pan and spike them.
thin rain
Anyone here named sailorchibimocn??
trim zealot
For any T&Js out there who didn’t know, like me, you CANNOT reflect Rick’s “make me giant and turn you into a dog” bomb.
Out of all the things in his move set to not be able to reflect, why that?
I can even reflect Mr. Meseeks.
Just not the win neutral for free button.
sharp plaza
Out of all the things in his move set to not be able to reflect, why that?
That's not a serious question right? It's like asking why can't we reflect jerry lol
subtle lotus
Yo ig its so op
His up b its anti projectiles
I can't do anything to that thing
And his nair groundbounce
💀
raven onyx
Yo ig its so op
Ragebait?
quasi totem
they still don't nerf TJ, embarrassing
subtle lotus
Ragebait?
Its not ragebate
I faced top iron giant on ranked
Up b clears all projectiles
Top 10 IG
I won the first match
But he started the robbery on the other matches
And up b spam
trim zealot
That's not a serious question right? It's like asking why can't we reflect jerry...
Just seems odd to me. It’s a projectile that even comes from some type of gun. Asking why you can’t reflect Jerry is also a legit question. He’s launched from a slingshot and acts as a projectile when launched. I wouldn’t like if he was able to be reflected, but I’d understand why the change would be made. I was tilted when I mentioned Rick’s projectile, but I still don’t understand why I can’t reflect it, or even destroy it. There’s almost no counterplay to that move other than to wait out Rick being giant, which is very difficult given his hit boxes are now even bigger.
trim zealot
At least Jerry can be destroyed after he’s launched. Rick just has a floating ball of winning neutral.
subtle lotus
Just seems odd to me. It’s a projectile that even comes from some type of gun. A...
You can reflect the meeseks and charged shots
Since the game release
Rick its the one struggling to win the neutral bc he got no options to kill jerry
You clearly don't khow how to fight against an rick
Its an good mu
Clearly IG is not now. I played the top 10 ig and the projectiles don't even work
You 0 options against him
And he can kill you so early with his ig cheese
trim zealot
You can reflect the meeseks and charged shots
I meant the projectile that turns you into a mini reindog and increases Rick’s size. I reflected everything I could against them. I’m not complaining about Rick’s whole move set, just 1 projectile.
Don’t try and “skill issue” that either, that projectile is what lead to them winning the game, I analyzed the game mentally afterwards, and I had countered everything else they did just fine.
Matter of fact, I might see if there’s any Rick’s down to give me some MU experience.
subtle lotus
Just faced the top 1 rick player
Bro it waesnt even fair
The messek into side air
The matchmaking its really good
They are matchmaking me with the top 1 rick on plat 1, with T&J
And they even took 10 rp bc of an disconnect that I didnt do
Hahahaha so funny
Now I get matchmake with the top 2 arya
I could win some master or even grandmaster players with an better character
But T&J as an B tier, he cant handle the pro players
I could let them at the last stock
And i almost win the bracket to the top 1 rick
slender matrix
Gogeta, do you have any tips for finishing? 50% of time I only kill at 150+ 💀
trim zealot
I know you didn’t ask me, but I find that I use 3 kill confirms to finish off opponents usually. One is down air or up tilt> up air. Another is Jerry shot > tennis ball > up air. The last is tennis racket > dodge forward or jump (or both) > down air.
Fishing rod can be useful as well but it’s very niche.
Also use dair for edgeguarding against anyone who can’t compete with the hitbox.
Or Jerry snipe offstage opponents.
slender matrix
this will be helpful 🤝 thanks
spiral granite
Just not the win neutral for free button.
Isnt an win neutral for free button Jerry shot?? Lol
trim zealot
The difference in size between the 2 “projectiles” is huge. In addition, Tom doesn’t get a buff for picking up Jerry again, he just gets to use Jerry in his specials again. Rick’s projectile is massive, cannot be destroyed or reflected, turns you into helpless reindog if it hits you, and turns him big if it hits him.
Rick constantly has full combo potential, while Tom usually has to have Jerry on deck to deal good damage. Rick isn’t significantly weakened by having that projectile on cooldown, unlike Tom.
spiral granite
Rick constantly has full combo potential, while Tom usually has to have Jerry on...
U know TnJ is better than Rick right?
subtle lotus
U know TnJ is better than Rick right?
His better bc T&J counters him
But that doesn't mean that his an s tier character or smth like that
T&J got to be an low a or high b
subtle lotus
A tier
Low a
Maybe it's ok for him
Or high b
It doesn't make an huge difference
subtle lotus
He is Hig A/ low S
No way that your saying that
Lol
Low a
Hes not better than jason
Ig
Agent smith
subtle lotus
Ask anyone that
Every pro thinks that he's high b or low a
spiral granite
Hes not better than jason
LOL
spiral granite
What is this 😭😭😭😭😭
subtle lotus
What is this 😭😭😭😭😭
An good jason could win an T&J
Even Garnet now
She feels strong
spiral granite
What is this 😭😭😭😭😭
You never played anyone but TnJ 😭😭😭
subtle lotus
Tbh
Jason robbery it's lit an huge weakness for tom
His the 2nd lightest character in the game
He got an huge disadvantage without jerry
His frame data ain't that good
And the paddle got giga nerfed
spiral granite
He got an huge disadvantage without jerry
Just because he doesnt have Jerry shot??
spiral granite
And the paddle got giga nerfed
Paddle still insane
spiral granite
It didnt get an "giga nerf"
subtle lotus
Jerry by himself its the most important thing on T&J gameplay
subtle lotus
*Says an Tom and Jerry main)
Paddle can't be canceled on whiff and got a lot of time to punish it
Its lit skill issue
I think down air its the big problem about him
trim zealot
I think down air its the big problem about him
As in too good, or too bad? I think it’s fine.
trim zealot
Just because he doesnt have Jerry shot??
I think they meant because of our weight. We also have a lack of disjoint without projectiles, so if we’re above an opponent while in disadvantage we can’t do much other than try to time a dodge well.
Tennis balls don’t cause hitstun without Tom hitting them back with racket. So without Jerry, no hitstun traveling projectiles. Dynamite just falls until racket’d.
Compare that to Batman, with his down special and batarang, or agent smith with gun disjoints. Even though the options are technically melee, they have speed or disjoints to help when landing.
clever folio
An good jason could win an T&J
Jason is absolutely horrible against tom and Jerry, it's one of his worst matchups
Jason's disadvantage state is terrible too, there's no way you think he's better than tom and Jerry, actually try playing him
subtle lotus
Jason is absolutely horrible against tom and Jerry, it's one of his worst matchu...
No ik
I'm talking about bc T&J its super light
It would be easier to get an kill with jason
That's all
Sry for the misspelling
I didnt mean that
clever folio
" I know" you literally said the opposite
sharp plaza
How is someone saying that Jason could win a tnj?
Yes a good Jason wins against a bad TnJ
But a good TnJ always wins against a Jason, Jason can't do anything against projectiles and multihits, let alone him against the best projectile in the game
clever folio
Fr
subtle lotus
How is someone saying that Jason could win a tnj?
Yes a good Jason wins against ...
Yeah that's true
clever folio
It would be easier to get an kill with jason
If someone is bad sure
Tom and Jerry has insane kill power
subtle lotus
You khow smth that its lit unfair and impossible
subtle lotus
If someone is bad sure
Tom and Jerry has insane kill power
I was jsut talking about an example on general
But yeah T&J should win the game with no worries
Now the biggest problem its IG
Wtf with that character
I cant do anything
Fought the top 10 IG
It was super unfair
Up b negates every projectile
And also it's super safe for them
Bc you cant approach
If you try to cancel the up b, you'll get hit by it
I though IG was one of the best T&J matchups before
But now against an good IG
Theres no way you win that match
Even if your good