Tom And Jerry

[primal tangle]

anyway I dont use any banner or badges

so I dont really care

[drowsy nexus]

This is gonna be a long painful grind

[hidden verge]

Let’s do this

[subtle lotus]

Yea

[drowsy nexus]

That math don't add up

I got 4 ring outs and you got 1?

So we got...5 ringouts?

[hidden verge]

Yeah also I pounced on Steven

And he launched from my ring out

And you got the credit

Hmm

Personal dms sparks

Let’s not flood the channel

[elfin jackal]

guys ive finally done it

ive made a gizmo rage quit and dm me that i need to touch grass

making mvs a better place one gizmo at a time 🙂

[primal tangle]

we finally got the masters 1 bros

[drowsy nexus]

I was gonna find bot lobbies to do the event but the devs are big brain bc the bots no longer rematch

Bruh

[odd wadi]

😂

I buy all the t&j skins

[odd wadi]

Lmao

[drowsy nexus]

Which way would be faster though? Losing then winning against a bot or just forget the bot strat and just play normally?

In terms of getting cybucks i mean

[primal tangle]

play 2's and bring a fresh acc with u

[drowsy nexus]

I don't have a fresh account

[primal tangle]

level 1-5 for new accounts

[drowsy nexus]

Or an extra console to do that

[primal tangle]

are all bot games

[drowsy nexus]

Or else I'd do that but I don't have that luxury

And I don't know many people with a fresh account that wants to help me

So what should I do?

[odd wadi]

Just gotta play

Don't think you're gonna find new players in here

[drowsy nexus]

So I should just play normally? None of this bots nonsense?

Ugh FIIIINEEE

No more trying to break the system

[odd wadi]

Maybe if you lose intentionally though idk how well that'll work out

[drowsy nexus]

Here's how my strat worked

Since if you lose 5 matches you get bot matches the plan was to lose, win, lose, win

But I was questioning it bc idk if just playing normally vs trying to get bots is faster

I'm trying to get cybucks fast

...wait a darn second

Whats stopping me from just losing over and over?

[keen swan]

Ego? Idk

[drowsy nexus]

Well you get 25 cybucks every loss

Hmmm

[odd wadi]

I wouldn't have the patience for that

[drowsy nexus]

If I want the new tnj skins I might have to

Especially if I need 150k in 2 weeks

[drowsy nexus]

Losing would be give less but I'd have to do more matches

I'd have a faster income rate probably

Eh idk. Wouldn't be as fun as actually playing tho so

I'm overthinking this lol

[acoustic belfry]

You're talking about only 300 free gleminium only

[primal tangle]

saves you the grind for 30k tickets.

[acoustic belfry]

Fair point

There's an offer that makes the skin+ a profile icon 1300 gleminum only

So technically 130K tickets only

And I already have 250 gleminum, So I think I need only 100K tickets

[midnight wraith]

I hate banana guard

[stoic schooner]

?

You lost to BG with T&J?

[primal tangle]

bg counters tnj

[stoic schooner]

No?

[primal tangle]

he can kill jerry in most of his moves + his spear has more range than tom's hammer

[stoic schooner]

We have a vast amount of projectiles

To deal with him

[primal tangle]

just go and play the matchup

you'll figure it out

[stoic schooner]

I have its not hard to beat

[latent thicket]

No lol

Arguable +2

One of my friends is top 100 bg and says t&j is one of if not bg's worst mu

[primal tangle]

top 100 banana guards are gold 3 in 1's and plat 5 in 2's. doesn't really make their point any valid.

[subtle lotus]

Banana guard its not even near to T&J

You should win 100% to him

[midnight wraith]

I just hate the banana for killing my rat

My poor Jerry :(

[full glen]

Wow, top 100bg! Out of all 107 banana guard players?

[latent thicket]

Ackshually, there's over 6000 🤓

[stark swallow]

It’s so bull crap that they lock so much stuff behind gleamium. Give us a massive price with cybucks as an alternative

[worldly stone]

K

Can show me the perks again?

I want more damage, way to make my projectiles faster and tom faster for dodge

Is there any way?

[cyan whale]

Pugilist makes you deal more melee damage. Flammable let’s you deal an additional 3-4 burn damage if you land a melee attack after a projectile. Speed force assist makes you 5% faster

But there are no perks to make the projectiles faster or for you to dodge faster. I think there are rift gems for those, but they’re only in rifts and not PvP

[drowsy nexus]

Ikr? I'm very tempted to cut into my next season battlepass funds to grind less cybucks

Technically I only need 40k cybucks in a week right now to get the skins

But if I do I might be low on gleamium for next seasons battlepass

Question is if the tnj skin is worth it

Keeping in mind I'll have a week to get the cybucks to buy it.

[stark swallow]

I just like having the option of buying whatever I like without gleamium. For example there’s the fencer arya skin that’s dope as hell but it’s like 1500 gleamium only? That’s tough

[drowsy nexus]

I prefer stuff like the circuit shop tbh. Where almost every fighter has a skin and you get to choose which one you want if your f2p

At least then you can get pretty much anyone's skin for free

And it's a shame bc it feels like this new event is taking away from that one since it's 10k cybucks to by circuit currency

And I'm buying more gleamium over the circuit skins

All for 1 tnj skin.

For a f2p player this is just absurd

Bc if your a f2p player you'd need 150k cybucks at most to buy the new tnj skin for free which you only have 2 weeks to get

[drowsy nexus]

Since I assume the cybucks event is only for 2 weeks like the event

I'll admit I'm glad my b day is in a few weeks so I could probably buy the skins but I feel bad for all the people who don't have money to spend

I'm rambling again sorry

[stark swallow]

Yes circuit shop is great!

[drowsy nexus]

Alright I'm not alone!

[drowsy nexus]

Yea I mean the concept is just fundamentally better

You get to pick any skin you want not just limited to like 2

The cybucks shop sucks bc let's say you don't play Rick or morty...what else is there to even buy?

[stark swallow]

Did you all see that devs equickly changed the mission tags to PvP only and limited fighter currency purchase with the cybucks the same day to make the grind even crappier?

[drowsy nexus]

I THOUGHT I WASNT CRAZY

I got like 5/8 for the side attacks one in rifts

And I tried again later and it didn't count up

[stark swallow]

EXACTLY I like the Superman or Arya or Tom and Jerry but NOPE GLEAMIUM ONLY

[drowsy nexus]

Funny it's called the "Cybucks Shop" when half of it is gleamium

[stark swallow]

I’m losing my patience with the game everytime the devs do scummy greedy stuff like that

[drowsy nexus]

I've promised myself to stick with this game until its done

Doesn't mean I agree with their practices

[stark swallow]

Don’t worry- you can buy a weird crappy ring out animation though. And maybe 1 banner or one profile picture that you don’t care about. Rest are gleamium 🙂 🙂 🙂

[drowsy nexus]

Shame too bc I genuinely thought the events were getting better and better lately

Then they add this and it just spits in the face of everything

[hidden verge]

Sparks how’s the grind goin

[stark swallow]

Bro I’m getting whiplash from the good and awful changes they make it’s like a toxic ex bro LMAO

[hidden verge]

You see the screenshot I sent you? Im cooking bro

[drowsy nexus]

Well...If I cut into my battlepass funds I have 800 gleamium right noe

So If I get 40k in the next week i could buy the bundle

[hidden verge]

Ranked has been testing my patience

Against these samurai jacks

[stark swallow]

Jacks, jokers and Finn’s are the most I run into

[hidden verge]

I love beating on jokers

Jacks ive faced so many

I learned how to counter them

Hard

Finn stocks don’t matter sooo

[drowsy nexus]

It kills me how they went from fixing events to NOT require event skins to get missions done, to adding "pick your own reward" events, to then doubling back and getting rid of BOTH things

At least for this event

[acoustic belfry]

Banana gaurd got nerfed in the latest update, so if you're playing a mage character he's a piece of cake , I actually most of the time destroy him

[acoustic belfry]

I think the idea to make you grind tickets if you want to buy anything that is for gleminum

[drowsy nexus]

You still need 150k cybucks in 2 weeks to even afford 1 skin.

It just feels unnecessary compared to previous events

Why not make the skins buyable with cybucks but also buyable for gleamium like the circuit shop?

That would get rid of this events biggest problem for me

[primal tangle]

I beg the differ. a good banana will k know how to counter all tom moves.

[acoustic belfry]

Well, technically you need 17,000 for the morty skin or rick skin, and that sounds VERY CHEAP compared to the tom and jerry skin for 150K

[odd wadi]

I think only two of the skins are locked behind it

Either way... they gotta lock something they can't give everything free. I'm surprised the Rick and Morty skins are free I thought it'd be the purple tier but either way I'm happy to buy all the t&j skins to support the game.

Tempted to.get that Arya skin but I don't play her nor intend to.

[latent thicket]

Any good player will know how to counter any characters moves

I don't see your point in this one

[primal tangle]

I already explained it you can scroll up

[latent thicket]

You've got everyone in here telling you bg loses to t&j

You're really on your own for this one

[primal tangle]

I've made it to master 1 with tom n jerry, I am just stating my experience with it I dont really take low elo prespective into account unless it's a peer or higher

[latent thicket]

I'm on vacation but before I left I wasn't low elo

[stoic schooner]

Ya in 2v2s

[primal tangle]

your point being?

[stoic schooner]

BG doesnt beat TnJ

[primal tangle]

I already explained myself.

[odd wadi]

I can understand this though I wonder if the devs would and go with a top down drizzle type of balance

[primal tangle]

what

[odd wadi]

I understand why you feel that way. Though I don't know if the devs would agree to only listening to their top players. Though I think it's one of the best ways to balance. Trickle down being the pros or better players teach by demonstration and the lower ranks learn that way so they're not going crazy trying to balance off all levels of play with no idea who is what skill level

[primal tangle]

we are talking about a matchup and who wins it, the devs have nothing to do with this

[odd wadi]

I mean yeah but if they were someone complaining calling for nerfs as example. Not for matchups

[primal tangle]

matchups and nerfs too different things.

not the subject I was discussing with the other two

[odd wadi]

You're missing the point

Doesn't matter but I definitely would say t&j wins the bg fight

[primal tangle]

discussions 101 with courage

[odd wadi]

I just went along with the conversation man

I jumped a little to balance but it wasn't too far from the matchup convo

[odd wadi]

My love for the fishing pole is coming back

[elfin jackal]

oh shoot

i thought i was there lol

[primal tangle]

XD

[elfin jackal]

thx for the ping

[subtle lotus]

Bro I faced an good banana, an masters one, and he got no chance

[primal tangle]

he can kill jerry in most of his moves + his spear has more range than tom's hammer and he has more dps in general. jsut because you play the matchup good doesnt mean it's an easy one for tom.

[subtle lotus]

You wont let jerry in the floor

The way to deal with banana guard

Its to play defensive

Wait to him to attack

Then you punish

As i said they stay no chance

Maybe your losing bc you dont khow the mu

[latent thicket]

Everyone in this chat must really be good at the mu then

[subtle lotus]

That mu its super easy for us

I dont understand why hes saying that

[latent thicket]

That's what I'm saying

I pop off when I see bg cuz it's free rank points

Unlike my co-main, when I play t&j I don't even need to rush bg when he uses weights

[subtle lotus]

With iron giant too

[latent thicket]

Cuz it gives me time to setup tennis balls

[subtle lotus]

Tbh i dont have time to set up my tennis balls

All of my opponents are super rush down

[latent thicket]

In that mu you really only do it if bg does weights right off spawn platform

Or if they jump off and do weights

[subtle lotus]

The problem about T&J its one

He should get nerf in one aspect that its unfair

First the paddle hitbox its cracked in some characters, they should adjust the paddle hitbox, its super inaccurate, and the paddle string its an 50/50 bc you need to read the di, but with heavy characters its more than an 70/30, so they cant di the paddle combo most of the time

[hidden verge]

Paddle my beloved

[subtle lotus]

So thats an nerf, but paddle string will stay in the game as an punishable on whiff move, and 50/50 tool

[subtle lotus]

You shouldnt abuse of paddle

You can get heavy punish if you do

[hidden verge]

I mean

[primal tangle]

fox gonna get the loop remove hard

[hidden verge]

Have you seen my paddle combos

[subtle lotus]

Its not an loop

[primal tangle]

they are either nerfing the cork stun or the paddle stun

[hidden verge]

You think he’s gonna get nerfed this patch?

[primal tangle]

yeah.. twitter is blowing up about the loop

[subtle lotus]

Nah, he cant get the combo removed

Bc its not even true

Its an di read

[primal tangle]

top 1's player is trending

[subtle lotus]

50/50

[hidden verge]

Hardcore?

Dude he’s a goat

[subtle lotus]

Yea

[primal tangle]

go watch his stream

[subtle lotus]

It wont get nerf

[primal tangle]

he is doing it constantly vs top tier players

[hidden verge]

It is true

[subtle lotus]

Alr saw it

[primal tangle]

even flacoco got 0-80 with it

[subtle lotus]

Its bc the weight

[hidden verge]

Because your doing the wrong version of the paddle loop

You need to jump then Jerry shot

[subtle lotus]

Bro ik

[hidden verge]

Not instant jerryshot

[primal tangle]

what weight? he was finn

[subtle lotus]

We all khow that

[hidden verge]

Then yuh loop anyone in the game

It is true

[subtle lotus]

Its an di read

If hes the #1 he should khow how to read the di consistently

[hidden verge]

Arya finn and tom is getting gutted?

[subtle lotus]

Its not an true combo, it's a lil bit hard to explain

[subtle lotus]

Tom its not going to get nerf

He dont deserve any nerf

You can escape from the paddle string

Its just too complicated

It supossed to be an 50/50, but khow its like an 80/20

[primal tangle]

they might compensate the loop nerf

in some other way

[subtle lotus]

Its just an nerf on the di

[primal tangle]

but I'd say it's 100% getting removed of how many people are complaining

[subtle lotus]

Its not getting removed

I think it will stay at the game

But khow as an fair 50/50

Now its like an 80/20

[primal tangle]

if not removed then they'll nerf the stun

[subtle lotus]

They dont need to nerf the stun

Its an di adjust

And an paddle hitbox adjust

[primal tangle]

u think that'll stop the constant loop on the highest level?

[subtle lotus]

I talked to some pro players and thats the optimum way to nerf him

[subtle lotus]

Yes

Orc

Ofc

Bc its an 50/50

Mix up you khow

Now its kinda unfair

Bc most of the cast cant di correctly the paddle string

If they change that its going to be an 100% inconsistent tool but effective

[primal tangle]

it'd be interesting

if they made the character even harder to play

it'll weed out the average players when they get tilted they cant perform it as good as the top ones, but will make the character have a higher learning curve to it

[subtle lotus]

If they do that it will be harder

[stoic schooner]

Hence the Expert diffcuilty on them

[subtle lotus]

And no one will do the paddle combo bc you can get heavy punish but you khow thats the point

If you dont read the di correctly you get gutted

[primal tangle]

harder = better

[subtle lotus]

Yes

[primal tangle]

less good players

[subtle lotus]

Or if they add attack decay

It will instantly remove the paddle string

[primal tangle]

they could make the paddle 3rd hit uncancelable too

[stoic schooner]

What no

[subtle lotus]

N

No

[primal tangle]

that's one way of killing the loop

[subtle lotus]

You cant kill the character

[subtle lotus]

We dont need to kill the loop

We just need to make it as it should be

An 50/50

Thats all

[stoic schooner]

They even said we want to make the characters usable

[subtle lotus]

This its what we need for paddle, now its more than an 80/20

And di the paddle if the tom and jerry its good, its super hard

[primal tangle]

welp. changes incoming none the less

they are gonn be here sooner than later

[stoic schooner]

I just hope they dont murder TnJ

[primal tangle]

they wont do a true nerf

[subtle lotus]

They cant nerf the paddle

[primal tangle]

just an adjustment

[stoic schooner]

If it does happen im returning to bugs

[subtle lotus]

Bc its not an good tool without the canceling

And need an mix up to use it

[stoic schooner]

Im just worried about them bc people lose to them and cry about it on Twitter or Reddit

[subtle lotus]

We need an adjusment on the hitbox

[primal tangle]

lets hope down air doesnt get nerfed XD

[subtle lotus]

Ok so this its the nerf

[primal tangle]

it's the most broken move we got

[stoic schooner]

Dair needs more kill power with the spike of stage or am i wrong

[primal tangle]

it's perfect as it is

though the hitbox is less visual

[stoic schooner]

They have to work on the hitboxes bc i remember i only won bc of the hitboxes

I won undeserved winz

[primal tangle]

it gets getting used to but it is def one of the most broken stuff we do

[subtle lotus]

Nerf to T&J:

Paddle:
Adjustment to the ability from moving when they are in the paddle, this will make it easier to escape, and the T&J to make more accurate di read.

Paddle hitbox:
Paddle won't pull you in if you in from of him, if the T&J whiff Paddle he will get heavy punish.

Paddle:
More whiff window after missing the paddle, and if paddle whiff T&J cant cancel the third hit

[stoic schooner]

Its a good game dont get me wrong they just have things to work on

[stoic schooner]

So to make the Paddle more useful?

[primal tangle]

I am not complaining it's the only game I hit the highest rank in

I am enjoying it

[stoic schooner]

I only managed to hit plat with Bugs.im Silver 1 with TnJ

[primal tangle]

focus on 1 character you'll climb faster

I am a literal otp

[subtle lotus]

Its not more useful, it's more punisheable, and unconsistent, so if you spam it you will get punish, and if you fail the di read, you will get punish

[primal tangle]

I have 0 games on other fighters beside customs or rifts

[stoic schooner]

So more Situational?

[subtle lotus]

No its more an skill check

[stoic schooner]

Wat

[subtle lotus]

Its an very punisheable move, and hard to read di

But very rewarding

You can do the paddle string combo, but its a lot more harder than before

[stoic schooner]

So High risk High Reward?

[hidden verge]

God dammit

[stoic schooner]

Bc their scared of DI

[subtle lotus]

Yes, make it more diable bc its actually hard to di now

Tbh its to hard to di the paddle they should nerf that

And thats all

[acoustic belfry]

Guys, I found a combo that can be formed without jerry's help

It can do a lot of damage that the opponent can't move

[stoic schooner]

I just hope that they dont get murdered in the mid season patch

[subtle lotus]

What is it?

I want to see if its true or diable

[acoustic belfry]

Ok, How am I supposed to send videos feom ps to discord?

[subtle lotus]

Clips channel

[long igloo]

how do i fight tnjs? one of my worst mus and i lose to them almost all of the time

[stoic schooner]

Kill Jerry and abuse the lightweight

The rat

[drowsy nexus]

Uhhh so I was grinding the circuit credits for gleamium but....the circuit credits ran out of stock?

Unless they refresh daily or something I think I've just been screwed out of getting the new tnj skin

I was under the impression the circuit credits were unlimited :/

I guess my only other option is to SOMEHOW max 2 other fighters in 6 days

Only problem is I don't know the fastest way to do that

[worldly stone]

k thank

[subtle lotus]

Guys

I made an buff and nerf list for T&J

This its what we need

T&J Nerfs:
Paddle:

Paddle its more easy to escape and the di on certain
character has been adjusted to make them escape easily so now it's an real 50/50, not an 80/20.

Paddle:
If Paddle whiff's the Tom and jerry no longer has the ability to cancel the paddle and escape.

Paddle:
If the T&J whiff's the paddle it wont pull you back, so the hitbox of the paddle will be at the top of the paddle.

Buff:

Jab 2 and 3, startup window increased.

Rocket on jerry cooldown reduced.

Dynamites split cooldown reduced.

Dash attack startup window increased.

Mouse trap cooldown reduced.

Jerry now have 15HP instead of 12HP.

[drowsy nexus]

If tom and Jerry's weight is ever increased in some other timeline I'll eat my hat.

That's when they would truly be broken

[trim zealot]

Don’t give PFG ideas. Paddle cannot be canceled on whiff btw, so it is already extremely punishable. In addition, making opponents able to escape the multi hit move pretty much ruins the move. Imagine if you could just DI out of Superman’s jab to only end up with half the damage of that attack, and escape any further hits of a combo. The solution isn’t to nerf the good characters, it’s to buff the bad ones.

[subtle lotus]

Ok

[trim zealot]

Damn. I’m used to the internet being more hostile to constructive criticism.

[odd wadi]

wasn't sure why they were thinking that

[trim zealot]

I think it’s because of the current frustration of the “loops” T&J have. Even though most people use the unoptimized version of paddle>jerry shot, there are better versions that can net a ton of damage. I don’t think the frustration comes from the loops though. I just think people blame the loops for struggling in the matchup.

Paddle is a great anti air, and most people approach from the air out of reflex from smash ultimate or brawlhalla.

[odd wadi]

yeah most people here 😂

i think the characters are mostly fine

[trim zealot]

I legit only think there’s like 2 or 3 characters that might need some nerfs, emphasis on some.

#1 for me is Wonder Woman because she has everything you need in a platform fighter, and more.

And 2 is iron giant anytime he has an infinite. But when he doesn’t, he’s perfectly fine.

All other characters need to be buffed to the level of the good characters (A, B, and S tiers).

[odd wadi]

the finn tod?

[trim zealot]

What does tod mean?

If it means the combo that people mostly hate about him. Then it requires multiple reads to be successful.

[odd wadi]

Touch of death

[trim zealot]

Characters like T&J, Arya, and Finn, who can blow you up off of one hit, are harder to fight against because gameplay just becomes less forgiving. But most of the time, the combos that blow you up require said character to hit a specific move, which can have varying degrees of difficulty to actually do, but that also makes their game plan predictable. It’s like how smash ultimate Luigi always goes for grabs at 0-15%ish, because he has a 0-death.

[odd wadi]

you get hit at zero and you die to the full combo

[keen swan]

It’s mostly just the vacuum effect that it has

If they’re facing in front of you

Which tends to get people sucked back into it even when they dodge out

Though you can probably just dodge up lol

[trim zealot]

That hitbox only activates once at the start of the move though, it’s just a scoop.

[keen swan]

Yeah

That’s the main reason people hate it

The animation feels like it shouldn’t vacuum

Like if you slow it down you can see why

[trim zealot]

I don’t understand why people would complain about that. It’s like how in any other fighting game up strongs have scoops to make them feel good/useable.

[keen swan]

But during gameplay it just feels like one of those “why did that hit me? It shouldn’t have hit me” type of things

Because the animation feels like it should miss

It’s kinda like Jerry’s corks

During gameplay who’s gonna see that little thing, so people will probably just think “what’s hitting me?? I shouldn’t be getting hit”

[trim zealot]

I wouldn’t mind a very small reduction to its hitbox size just to add placebo effect to stop people from complaining, but only being able to use the move as an anti air would suck, and it would remove half, if not more, of our combo routes.

The scoop is essential to “loops” and most of our conversions.

[keen swan]

It’s mostly the casual community that hates it

I don’t hate the loop nearly as much as I hate the general T&J moveset

[trim zealot]

They hate the character as a whole though.

[keen swan]

Cause tbh he kinda needs it

I don’t hate T&J players, don’t really hate the loop, the character itself just isn’t usually fun for most characters to fight

[trim zealot]

It just so happens we use paddle a lot because it’s in most of our combos. So they just blame it on that move.

[keen swan]

Why do you guys use fishing rod so less often now?

It seems like it kills pretty reliably

[trim zealot]

I use it in most of my matches, but as a rule of thumb, I never use it if the opponent is less than halfway across the stage from me. The endlag is absolutely horrendous and leaves you open to a massive punish for ages.

[keen swan]

Fair

Also I kinda think one dynamite is better than the three split

[trim zealot]

Actually, it’s not so much the endlag as it is the minimum distance you HAVE to send the hook to before you can reel in.

[keen swan]

At least like if you’re off stage and a Finn is pressuring you by charging a tilt

Cheese trap functions weird to me

[trim zealot]

How so?

[keen swan]

When it interacts with Finn side special

[trim zealot]

Oh.

Yeah.

[keen swan]

Normally, Finn’s grounded side special doesn’t get rid of it

And he still gets hit

The aerial version locks onto it

But he still gets hit

But if he has respawn I frames

Suddenly side special deletes it

[trim zealot]

I never try to predict what happens to the trap when hit by projectile killers tbh.

[keen swan]

It’s odd to me because other traps like Harley bat bomb or Jack in the box, or even Joker balloon can be both side special’d away and high fives reflected

While it seems like cheese trap can’t be either

[trim zealot]

Just put it down and hope they fall into before it gets destroyed, use it at ledge, or try to get a conversion off it.

[keen swan]

Most T&J’s I fight just camp behind it

They don’t even try to projectile spam me

They just sit there

No idea why, cause usually we’re like tied in stocks

Like mf are we playing peek a boo??

[trim zealot]

It is one of the weirdest projectiles in the game, it’s grounded and stationary, so either of those could be part of it, because to my knowledge trap is the only truly grounded projectile with a hitbox. It could also be that the hitbox only activates after the opponent gets near it or hits it.

[keen swan]

Maybe

It’s just such an odd case to me

Cause nobody really thinks about it

That lost me a game once too

My side special locked onto the cheese trap

I was at like 140 so I just exploded lmao

[trim zealot]

Was the Tom in range of your side b? That’s a really odd interaction if so.

[keen swan]

Kinda

Like a bit out of range

Oh ok lemme explain

Finn side special locks onto projectiles when used in the air

So usually Finn’s can actually use a projectile to their advantage to close the distance

Unfortunately the trap is treated as a projectile

But doesn’t get deleted when you lock in like other projectiles

[trim zealot]

Very useful info. I never knew that.

[keen swan]

Which is actually extremely deadly

Because it negates an entire Finn approach

[keen swan]

Yeah most ppl don’t

Cause who uses that in neutral lol

[trim zealot]

This legit changes how I play against Finn entirely.

[keen swan]

I’ve been purposely changing my neutral game from just holding a tilt

[keen swan]

Yeah, so things like tennis balls and corks can be locked onto

And if it locks onto one, any that are hit by that aerial side special are also deleted

He can lock onto Jerry too I’m pretty sure

[trim zealot]

I’ve had this happen multiple times.

[odd wadi]

they lowered the control

[trim zealot]

So yes.

[odd wadi]

and its wonky feeling at times

[keen swan]

High five is so underrated

Such a good anti projectile

Can negate T&J projectile walls, and dynamite

I use it on so many Jokers cause they always through an obligatory card at the start of the match

I learned today you can use both five on Joker balloon too

[trim zealot]

The joker hivemind is real. They all do this.

[keen swan]

Literally

I fought the weirdest joker today

He used grounded side and down special

In neutral

Who tf does that??

That mf playing mind games

Mc PeePants21

Was his name lmao

[trim zealot]

The chosen one.

[keen swan]

The last Joker

Long ago, the four Joker factions lived in harmony

Ladder combo off of jab, side special during disadvantage, throw card in neutral, down air spam

Until the ladder combo off of jab nation attacked

Me and a fellow Joker main found a The Killing Joke Joker

We think he’s the Jokavatar

The legend of Mc PeePants21

[trim zealot]

That’s such a good internet avatar name.

[keen swan]

Seriously I thought there was something wrong with that mf

His neutral game was so odd

Of course there was still the obligatory card in neutral, side special in disadvantage, fish for jab into ladder combo

But holy that man had a weird neutral game

Dude playing mind games

[trim zealot]

Did it work?

[keen swan]

No lol

I won the set

Gave me a run for my money

But I was locked in cause I got kicked outta plat V

Beating him got me back in thankfully

And I can now say I’m not touching ranked Finn no more, can’t lose that plat V status lmao

[trim zealot]

Retired to casual after you beat the final boss of multiversus.

[keen swan]

Yes

Back to the normal queue we go

[trim zealot]

This gonna sound mad crazy but I have never touched ranked. How quickly do you rank up?

I’m tempted but I don’t want to have to grind too much.

[keen swan]

It was initially fast

But once I hit gold like III it started to take time

Cause they don’t match make based off of rank

They base it off of how well you do overall

So if you go on a win streak in like normal you’ll probably get matched with someone decently high in ranked

Took forever to get to gold 1 and plat V

[trim zealot]

That sounds extremely exploitable.

[keen swan]

It is

If you throw a ton of matches in normal queue they’ll give you an easy player

[trim zealot]

My phone died. I forgot what I was about to text back. Going to bed now anyway, night.

[keen swan]

Night

[long igloo]

tbf its an extremely annoying move

i think it should get nerfed in some way

i dont have a lot of problems with tnj besides his jerry shot and paddle

super annoying moves

[stoic schooner]

Does killing Jerry the Rat and DI scare you?

[primal tangle]

they patched the circuits grind. rip to that guy who wanted to grind the tnj skin KEKW

[drowsy nexus]

That was me. But don't worry I got a plan b

I'm only 400 gleamium away so if I just grind like heck I could maybe max three fighters

Then buy the skin but of course I'm not gonna get my hopes up.

[acoustic belfry]

You mean you can only get the circuit drone once?

[primal tangle]

I think the limit is 5 times

not sure exactly

[acoustic belfry]

Dammit

[drowsy nexus]

Bro I think pfg is trying their best to prevent me from getting this darn skin. Servers are being screwy rn

[visual roost]

Anyone have advice on the Arya mu?

[stoic schooner]

It hurts me bc that skin looks so good

But i want to get the next BP

[drowsy nexus]

Same tbh but my love for the tnj skin is outweighing the urge for next battlepass.

Shame I CANT PLAY!

[stoic schooner]

We want the game to prosber BUT THEIR MESSING IT UP

[trim zealot]

Only if you continually allow yourself to get whiff punished. As for Jerry shot, just pay attention to any angles we have on you while we could shoot him at you. Most of the time we have to jump to get any angle we can combo off of the hit.

[drowsy nexus]

They want us f2p to grind yet they don't want us to grind at the same time.

I swear I'd grind 24/7 to get the new tnj skin if they would just STOP limiting my options

Like how am I supposed to buy the bundle for free if you don't give me a good way to get gleamium in that time

I honestly feel bad for the newer players who didn't play in open beta and have most of the roster bc it must be impossible for them to even get the new skins with gleamium

[stoic schooner]

Its soul crushing that they made the grinding worse i might consider quitting

[drowsy nexus]

I've gotten too far deep with this game. I'll quit when I'm physically forced too

[stoic schooner]

Its that bad?

[drowsy nexus]

Wdym?

Look Idk about you dude but I've been playing since day 1 of open beta and stuck around to see the game get shutdown and come back. I think there's no turning back at this point for me

[stoic schooner]

I grinded the life out if the beta and when it shutdown for a year it left sour tastes in players mouths bc they annonced this out of no where

I love MVS but its not gonna stand long if they make dumb options

[cyan whale]

Classic sunk cost fallacy (I’ve also been playing the game since day 1 of beta and am still around)

[stoic schooner]

I dont remember when i started to play MVS

Ik it was in the beta but cant remember

[cyan whale]

I still think PFG can slowly make the game better and I’m willing to stick it out

It’s been a little over 2 months and the game is already in a better state than after 2 months of beta

And the relaunch is absolutely just beta part 2

[stoic schooner]

Well we will see what will happen in future

[cyan whale]

I have faith

The character balance is getting there

And most of the beta features are present

We just need the disconnect issue to get fixed

The one that results in you just not being able to control your character

[open crypt]

ok, they really need to fix tom and jerry hitboxes

paddle didnt hit the tom
but his fried pan did hit me?!

[acoustic belfry]

I really have an issue that I can't even move in the or do litteral anything, giving my opponent a free win

[stoic schooner]

He can still hit you bc tom swings the pan the hitbox still lingers

At ledge

[drowsy nexus]

As long as I have my cat and mouse ill keep playing. I promised myself to stick with this game until it's end. I've played this long so why stop now?

Besides I've never been as good with Pac-Man and Sonic in Smash as I am with tnj

[cyan whale]

I just like how unique every character is in MVS

A lot of Smash characters play very similarly

And have similar combos

[drowsy nexus]

Bro coming from a sonic main it's strange going from the most brain dead moveset to tnj which are the most complicated yet somehow I'm better with tnj than Sonic. Heck it's because of Tnj I switched to a Pac-Man main bc he was the closest I could get to them

[drowsy nexus]

I've gone up in the world since the 3ds days lol

I went from homing attack spam to combo game

I'm proud of myself for improving looking back now

If there's anything I've found out about myself its that I Excell in the most mechanical characters in platform fighters for some reason

[open crypt]

But thats the thing
It didnt

And when i was in the fried pan it didnt hit pan my enemy paddle did?!

[stoic schooner]

Must be out of range or hitbox went away

[trim zealot]

These complaints are very confusing and poorly worded, but if you’re confused why your down air didn’t hit another T&J using paddle, that’s because paddle has a larger disjoint than down air.

Tom’s claws/hands count as part of his hurtbox during down air, so the disjoint is much less than you’d think.

[unkempt sinew]

Steven and Finn really messing me up on ranked right now.

Finn feels so explosive. Can zone him so much but one combo from him can just lead to death 💀

[long igloo]

steven is self explanatory

lmao

the bubble shield and watermelon steven are annoying as it is 😔

[unkempt sinew]

Watermelon has it out for Jerry man

[long igloo]

i dont like tnj that much either

jerry shot and paddle are annoying asf man 😭 😭

[unkempt sinew]

I think the CPU behaviour in general always prioritises killing Jerry. The CPU characters in the rifts do it too

Did Steven's character weight actually change when they made him a tank?

[long igloo]

tnj is a decent mu till they start hitting you with jab paddle/jerry shot loops

[unkempt sinew]

I remember he was really light in the Beta

[long igloo]

maybe

[drowsy nexus]

I'm pretty sure they still are.

[primal tangle]

"shaggy kick finishing me at 60% flashbacks"

[hidden verge]

Fellas

I completed the TnJ locker

Every

Single

Skin

Except the shark hat one

MID

[primal tangle]

it's an L skin anyway

[hidden verge]

I mean all his skins are great except that one

[primal tangle]

tooniverse, matrix and sharkhat all bad in my "personal" opinion

[hidden verge]

Matrix is good

Toonverse is great

[primal tangle]

tennis + swimming skins are just 2 clones but they are decent

[hidden verge]

I don’t like vampire as much as I used too

[primal tangle]

circuit is mid too

[hidden verge]

My friends said they added playboi carti to mvs😭🙏🙏

[primal tangle]

it looks good in client

but in game it feels weird

[hidden verge]

I mean cyberpunk tnj top 3

I think it goes

Bakers street

Cyberpunk tnj

And pirates

Are my personal top 3

[primal tangle]

bakers street>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I really want the one on the wiki

it's already designed I dont know why they didnt release it

also zoot suit

#fan-art message

[hidden verge]

Nah cowboy TnJ

I’ll buy that in a heartbeat

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

[primal tangle]

ikr

I'm willing to pay 20 bucks for it

[hidden verge]

Well maybe not 20 bucks

But I’d pay if it was an epic

[primal tangle]

if they would add all the goodies to it to make it worth 20 bucks why not?

we still have no legendary

[hidden verge]

We just got an epic tho

And it’s a great epic

[primal tangle]

truu

but legendaries go hard

[hidden verge]

I’m not a fan of the animation on cyberpunk

But it’s a great model

Anyways baker street solos

[primal tangle]

it's looks very odd for a TnJ skin. didnt expect the theme but it looks pretty good

[hidden verge]

Bro just looks so formal

[primal tangle]

he looks badass

[hidden verge]

Bakers street TnJ defo drinks tea

[primal tangle]

talking about formal, you know what formal skin they could add? the tuxedos from the piano episode

[hidden verge]

My personal top 3 are the following

3

Pirates

[drowsy nexus]

Ranked.

1. TnJ.exe
2. Baker Street Tnj.
3. Detectives tnj.
4. Seaside tnj
5. Vampire tnj
6. Tennis tnj
7. Pirates tnj.
8. Tooniverse
9. Circuit drone.
10. Matrix
11. Shark hat.
12. Default.

[hidden verge]

2

Tnj exe

1

Baker street

[drowsy nexus]

Nah that wasn't a mistake

[hidden verge]

I think bakers street is better than exe

[primal tangle]

I'd go 1. baker 2. cyberpunk 3. tennis

[drowsy nexus]

I intentionally put exe over Baker street

[hidden verge]

Swimsuit is better than tennis

[primal tangle]

I like tennis colors better

[drowsy nexus]

BUT THE GOOFY TEETH!

[hidden verge]

Yeah it has no animation

The snorkel carries swinsuit

[primal tangle]

I dont like the color green. jerry wearing green shorts puts it off a bit for me

[drowsy nexus]

No real talk. I put exe over baker street bc I feel like it has a vibe more for me if that makes sense

[hidden verge]

I don’t like his purple eye liner

It’s weird

[drowsy nexus]

Why do you think I'm working for this skin in specific?

[primal tangle]

the skin is low effort in general kek

the real question boys, why is spike ringout 1200 gleamium?

midday robbery

[drowsy nexus]

Because it's spike?

And the only tnj ringout

[primal tangle]

but

it's a ringout nonetheless XD

[drowsy nexus]

Tho tbh I would want spike as a fighter

[primal tangle]

spike would go hard

[drowsy nexus]

I mean tell me he would not be a sick brawler?

[primal tangle]

I want nibbles too

imagine nibbles from the french episode

[drowsy nexus]

I could see nibbles and butch being a variant outfit for tnj

[primal tangle]

with her sword

[drowsy nexus]

WAIT A DARN SECOND

This game has been out for how long?

[primal tangle]

I wouldnt want them to add her as a variant I want her as a character

[drowsy nexus]

And they HAVENT added the outfits for tnj from the one episode with the red and blue and the hat? I don't know it's name...I wanna say musketeers?

[primal tangle]

wait they could add tom too he was wearing the same outfit in Tom & The Two Mouseketeers

[drowsy nexus]

You read my mind

[primal tangle]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TqYiwDRPBq4/maxresdefault.jpg

this one right ?

[drowsy nexus]

Yeah

They HAVENT thought to add that one yet?

That's like a no Brainer

[primal tangle]

there are so many potential tom skins

they need to cash in hard

[drowsy nexus]

I think the problem they face is finding outfits for Jerry that fit with tom's

[primal tangle]

they could make it epic and give nibbles an appearance on the loading screen

[primal tangle]

zoot suit, tom and 2 mouseketeers, piano tuxedos, the already made texas skin

there are plenty more from the episodes

they just need to stick to the show

[drowsy nexus]

Yeah but what I'm saying is Tom probably has more source material than Jerry

[primal tangle]

not really, they always match in the episodes

[drowsy nexus]

Let's take pianist Tom from the cat concerto. Does Jerry have an outfit from that episode? No. They have to make something up

[primal tangle]

yes #fan-art message

it's at the end of the episode after jerry exhausts tom

[drowsy nexus]

Oh right.

[primal tangle]

he goes wearing up his jacket on top of the piano

and gives a bow

[drowsy nexus]

I forgot that

[primal tangle]

to the audience

[drowsy nexus]

Sorry I was thinking of the 90% of the episode where Jerry had nothing

[primal tangle]

it is

the 90's episode

oh 90%

[drowsy nexus]

Lol

[primal tangle]

XD

[drowsy nexus]

Idk I'm just saying I bet tnj are a different case for skins than say someone like bugs who they could pull any outfit from

Since they are a 2 in 1 Character

Not that it's a bad thing tho

[primal tangle]

I know it isnt that easy

but they could find a lot of potential if they searched the episodes

[drowsy nexus]

Ik but tnj are probably the ones they have the most thought behind with skins

They can't just give Tom a skin and not Jerry because that would look lazy

[primal tangle]

not really all characters are as hard

[drowsy nexus]

I'll say this and it ends up happening

[primal tangle]

the dc characters are just wearing their outfits in every movie

not including batman

[drowsy nexus]

Okay real talk dude I need your input. Do you think it's possible for me to max my level 8 Marvin and level 6 Taz by next Tuesday?

[primal tangle]

nope

[drowsy nexus]

I meant even if I rift afk and everything

[primal tangle]

I doubt u can max even one unless u play 24/7

[drowsy nexus]

Even if I get 150 exp every 4 minutes?

[primal tangle]

just play normal games lol

I'd hate myself playing rifts for 1 week~

[drowsy nexus]

Well I'm not you.

I commit to the dumbest things

[primal tangle]

why would u do that tho?

[drowsy nexus]

I literally spent ALL DAY yesterday in a single rift level with bugs

[drowsy nexus]

For tnj.exe it'll be worth it

[primal tangle]

it's available for 40d

[drowsy nexus]

Besides I wanna prove a point that f2p players can't get this crap in a week

[drowsy nexus]

Yeah im trying to go for the bundle

[primal tangle]

XD

[drowsy nexus]

I'm at 910 gleamium

[primal tangle]

good luck.

[drowsy nexus]

My bugs is about to be maxed as we speak

That's why I asked about Marvin and taz

[drowsy nexus]

This is even more funny considering I got 400 from the circuit credits so I already had a head start of like 500 gleamium unlike most people

So if anything I'm proving a f2p can't do this in a week

If I'm barely cutting it close as is I can only imagine someone with 0 gleamium when the event started

Alright Bugs is maxed. Which should I do next guys? Marvin or Taz?

[acoustic belfry]

I recommend you taz or shaggy, since their controls are simple and very understandable

[ember monolith]

fr

[odd wadi]

Watching you give your grind progress is crazy.

[drowsy nexus]

Hey I'm a dedicated person when I want something

Besides if I'm genuinely honest I'm only chatting this stuff because it's SOOOO BORING!

Since it's an afk method it's basically just waiting over and over

[primal tangle]

why not find a small job for like 5-10 bucks and buy the currency?

[drowsy nexus]

Not an option.

Besides the point of this is to get the f2p experience

I've already played this long for this skin so I might as well commit to it

Besides Marvin and Taz are already levels 12 and 10

Assuming I max them both in a day I should just barely make it

I mean my bugs went from level 11 to 14 in a day so it might work

I mean I have like what 3 days left?

That gives me a day to max Marvin. A day to max Taz. And an extra day to finish them up if they aren't maxed

[odd wadi]

I can tell. I hope you can get it

[drowsy nexus]

Thanks I appreciate it

Even if I don't it's not like I can't max 3 other fighters in what a month or two?

I'm trying to get the bundle if that wasn't clear lol

[odd wadi]

Honestly idk. I had 2 or 3 maxed in the closed betas now my only maxed is Jason and t&j is close

[ember monolith]

Beta was so fun, wish I got to play more of it 😭

[odd wadi]

I'm hit or miss. Everyone misses how fast it was but I definitely didn't I like the slower pace it has. I assume the faster paced players are the melee lovers but idk. Having it be too fast will scare people away

T&J was the most fun in beta too

Aka broken as hell 😂

[ember monolith]

I missed it because IMO it felt chaotic, and the recovery everyone had, but I do think the dodge meter nerf was a good call, I wish they would make the game faster not to the original since you're right about scaring people away, but I believe theres a sweet spot for both slow paced and fast paced players to enjoy

but I still love the game regardless

one of my all time favourite fighting platformers next to melee, smash 4, and Project M

[odd wadi]

Yeah they could get a good middle ground with it for sure. Regardless of the way they go I'll play until they shut it down.

[ember monolith]

true

[odd wadi]

I never got.to play Project M

I have a homebrewed Wii I could now but my mains aren't in it so I'd not play long

[ember monolith]

Project M was so fun

I think if they completely slaughter both Tom/Jerry and Bugs I'd play way less than I do now

[drowsy nexus]

Remember when Jerry had 5 corks and like 5 hit points back in the day?

Before they nerfed lol

[odd wadi]

😂 corks for days

[drowsy nexus]

Tbh I kinda miss Jerry having more health

[odd wadi]

You in your 30's? Or getting close?

[drowsy nexus]

I'm a high schooler

[odd wadi]

That's crazy. Your profile picture screams 30's

[drowsy nexus]

Nah that's just my mains across platform fighters

[odd wadi]

That's not a bad idea for a pfp

[ember monolith]

Jerry gets 5 corks when your teamate has him

and the corks reset after pick up

[drowsy nexus]

Yeah but before he had 5 alone

Without a teammate

[odd wadi]

I didn't know this until someone complained about it. Been abusing it since

[drowsy nexus]

It was a short lived

Then it got nerfed

Hence why Jerry has 3 corks today

[drowsy nexus]

Tbh the mains idea was a more recent addition

I've only had this profile pic for like a month at most

[ember monolith]

I think it's dumb but at the same time Tom needs it as well

[odd wadi]

I don't play a ton of these anyway. What's the middle character from?

[drowsy nexus]

Nothing.

[odd wadi]

Been trying to get creative with him to not spam paddle

Oh okay

[drowsy nexus]

It's a placeholder if anything

Wouldn't be surprised if I revise my profile picture in the future with my actual art talent

For now I think it's fine tho

[ember monolith]

yea but racket without the projectiles is a bad move to be honest

[drowsy nexus]

Can I be honest?

I feel like I've forgotten the paddle exists

I've been playing so much without it lately

Aside from a kill confirm I never use it.

Yet somehow it's been working fine for me

I dunno maybe the paddle loop has discouraged me from using it

Can someone please tell me why I always pick the most complicated fighters to main?

Or the most mechanical?

Like I remember the days I used to main sonic back in Smash bros 3ds yet it feels like I've slowly went from spam fest the character to big brain

[drowsy nexus]

Dead chat?

I think I killed the mood lol

[odd wadi]

I read it but was doing other things. Avoiding using paddle loops is something I try to do and realized I could use Jerry rocket in some cool defensive ways to might lead to combos too

[subtle lotus]

Paddle should get an adjustment with the di on heavy characters bc they can't escape, then keep the paddle the same like right now

Paddle isn't an broken move by himself

Its pretty unsafety

And people only spam it bc its hard to escape of it

So if they make it easier people won't use paddle that much and would be an actual 50/50

And an anti air, with follow ups

[acoustic belfry]

Isn't there a way to use xp boost?

For some reason I'm getting an Xp boost reward, but don't know how to use it

[primal tangle]

just equip any of the new 20XXL skins.

[acoustic belfry]

Bro, I'm not paying 10 bucks for a skin, I'm not spending a single cent on a free game

But I'm asking, is it possible to use xp boost to level up characters fastly like the open beta?

[primal tangle]

they made it with new skins only

[unkempt sinew]

Dexter's Lab stage is probably the biggest cause for my losses more than any particular character

The platforms mess me up for dynamite/Jerry setups and the blastzones feel really close. I died to a Jason at like 30% earlier on that stage

[primal tangle]

XD

[ember monolith]

Yea the platforms are too close to each other

[drowsy nexus]

Just maxed Marvin a couple minutes ago. Question is can I get Taz from level 11 to 15 by Tuesday. I'm one fighter away from tnj.exe

[acoustic belfry]

You can 100% do it if you have time

[acoustic belfry]

For me it the Townsville map, mojo jojo being so annoying that he decreases the platform which make it easy for the opponent to hit me multiple times with no space, especially if he's playing bugs bunny with his holes

[drowsy nexus]

Rn Taz is at level 13

If I work overtime I MIIIIGHT be able to pull of my week long grind

[acoustic belfry]

Btw, bro do you know how to use xp boost?

[drowsy nexus]

There is no xp boost.

[acoustic belfry]

Damn

[drowsy nexus]

If your referring to the xp boost symbol when you level up a character that's not an item

That's just a sign you leveled up

[acoustic belfry]

Oh

[ember monolith]

you get it by using the 20XXL outfits, no joke.

[acoustic belfry]

Now that's make sense

[drowsy nexus]

I didn't mean to tap that lol

Yet somehow it fit

[drowsy nexus]

This is REALLLY getting down to the wire lol

I'm like 2 levels away and I got a day to get it done

If I can max Taz I win. If I don't I have two max 2 more fighters to get tnj.exe for free

[subtle lotus]

Tbh its better to get an job then buy the glemium for the skin than do that insane grind

[keen swan]

Lmao

[acoustic belfry]

I'm actually thinking of butch of being a soundvoice and nibbles being a perk

A perk which make projectiles do higher damage, but if you lost him he won't return until you ringout a player or get rangout

[keen swan]

With Jerry?

[acoustic belfry]

Well,no and the reason not to make the perk too OP and people asks for nerfs

[keen swan]

Is it a perk where if Jerry goes off stage he’s dead forever?

[acoustic belfry]

You didn't understand me, Jerry get replaced by nibbles

[keen swan]

Who?

[acoustic belfry]

You really didn't understand?!

[acoustic belfry]

You know what, yes jerry Will be available

With nibbles

[keen swan]

I’m so lost

Like nibbling?

Nibbling on food??

[acoustic belfry]

Do you know nibbles(tuffy)?

Jerry's nephew

[keen swan]

No

Idk the Tom and Jerry lore lmao

[acoustic belfry]

Fine, then don't

[acoustic belfry]

Then why are you even here?

[keen swan]

I’m just curious about the specifics of your perk concept

I just wanted to understand it better 😭

[acoustic belfry]

It's ok bro, it's all about I thought you are not an actual tom and jerry enjoyer, about the perk I meant that nibbles will increase the amount of damage projectiles do(with jerry), but if you lost him or someone killed him, he won't return until you do ringout

[trim zealot]

We “spam” it because we can whiff punish aerials with it, and it’s our most consistent combo starter.

That should also mean it’s predictable and you shouldn’t mash aerials against us.

The move isn’t broken, the people we play against don’t often bother learning how to counter play T&J.

That isn’t targeted at anyone btw, just in general where most “nerf T&J” complaints come from.

[subtle lotus]

Its an anti aerial, but its also an very risky move, paddle on whiff gives an follow up with an full combo

You shouldnt abuse the paddle its not that good atleast at high rank

People figure out how to escape of it

[ember monolith]

theres no shot people think T&J are broken 💀

[subtle lotus]

Yep they do, bc they cry a lot on the loop

[ember monolith]

you can DI out of it

[subtle lotus]

You actually can't if your character has big weight

It only works on light characters

[trim zealot]

I’ve hit all my “loops” so far. Idk if me using other moves in the combo has anything to do with it but so far no one has escaped.

[ember monolith]

well it makes up for Tom's weight then, I guess

[trim zealot]

I forgot to consider some people who actually might just mash up tilt all the time. Yeah that’s stupid because you can’t cancel it on whiff. I don’t mash it but I sometimes try to whiff punish aerials with it.

I should try to use down angled Jerry to start combos more often.

[ember monolith]

Dair, into Jerry aimed downwards is pretty good

but not as it was in the beta😭

[acoustic belfry]

Wait, so what is the difference between a high weight character and light weight character?

[subtle lotus]

Its the ability to di the paddle when they get hit by the combo, bc of the weight the gravity pulls the opponent into the paddle so they can hardly escape, only at 100% they can escape the combo but it's not fair, it's like instead of an 50/50 it's an 90/20, but on light characters now its actually fair

He needs an lil adjustment on that and hes fine, its an small nerf

[ember monolith]

Heavys are easier to combo but hard to ringout, Lights are easier to ringout but harder to combo

[acoustic belfry]

Ok that makes sense

[subtle lotus]

You cant make them impossible to escape, he needs an small nerf on that aspect, besides that hes pretty balance

It would be an actual 50/50 tool

And not consistent

[acoustic belfry]

That explains why I get rangout on 80 healthbar and easily make a lot of damage to tank characters

[ember monolith]

majority platformer fighters has light and heavy weights

[ember monolith]

they should've just left tom and jerry how he was in the beta

you couldn't do that infinite consistently with them on big characters

[subtle lotus]

Its supossed to be an 50/50, it can't be consistent on any weight/size character

[trim zealot]

I remember back when the only person on the planet who could loop on T&J was Void.

I tried practicing it but got nowhere close. As far as I could tell it seemed like the window to continue the combo was 1-2 frames.

[trim zealot]

To be clear, it’s a good thing our combos are now easier. The character is already hard to pick up if you’re new to them.

[trim zealot]

Can I ask why you want it to be a 50/50? Those have always been more of a traditional fighting game thing.

[stoic schooner]

Hence the Hard difficulty

[subtle lotus]

Its not smth about an traditional figthing games, in platform figthers there's a lot of characters with 50/50, also an character cant have an consistent 0-100% combo, thats not even fair

[subtle lotus]

You need to think about the other characters, you cant keep T&J as broken as you can he need to get some balance changes

[stoic schooner]

Super Smash Bros:

[subtle lotus]

Rob for example

[trim zealot]

I just don’t understand how you could even technically implement it as a 50/50. First off, it’s a single move, secondly the only variance we have as the player is the direction we walk in while using it.

[subtle lotus]

Its an lil adjustment to make it fair, not killing the character, it's to make it more hard to perform

[stoic schooner]

And if you mess it up you cant cancel it

[trim zealot]

By random chance? I don’t get the logic. Reading other players isn’t a skill. It’s a guessing game.

[trim zealot]

Exactly.

It’s already a punishing move to miss.

[stoic schooner]

Just leave it alone if people keep getting hit by it its on them not us

[subtle lotus]

You cant have an consistent 0-100 percent combo on any figthing game that's unbalanced

[trim zealot]

Reminds me of back in the beta when everyone complained about Taz side B, then a week later, nobody cared. Not because it was nerfed, because people learned how to counter it.

[subtle lotus]

You lit need only one read to start the sequence

[stoic schooner]

Steven

[trim zealot]

Other characters have combos that do comparable damage too.

It’s not just us. MVS is a game that heavily punishes losing neutral.

[subtle lotus]

Steven don't have an 0-100 true combo

[trim zealot]

For the characters that don’t have crazy combos, they have crazy advantage state. Disjoint, fast moves, lots of range, etc.

[subtle lotus]

It's an 0-100 true combo are you even thinking, and you cant escape of that

Paddle its an 50/50 took

[ember monolith]

Watching Void, Mirrorman, and Sandstorm in the beta was the most enertaining stuff I've watched in terms of multiversus

[trim zealot]

Not now it isn’t, and it shouldn’t be. If you dislike the loops, tell the devs to tune up the move staling.

[stoic schooner]

Void was COOKING

That TnJ was unhingedly good

[trim zealot]

I’m a little upset he kinda dropped them after beta.

[subtle lotus]

Bro I'm talking about balancing the game

I love T&J and I have it at master 5

But having an true combo 0-100, that you could get an kill confirm and die of if you di incorrectly its unfair

[stoic schooner]

Now he plays Arya ugh

[trim zealot]

Congratulations, I guess that means you’re now the master of balancing the game? Go ahead and tell us all how to nerf our fun characters in the most un-fun ways.

[stoic schooner]

Hate fighting her

[subtle lotus]

And the paddle string its not even true, for example light characters can actually 50/50 the move, but the heavy ones cant so its alr on the game, and they need to adjust it

[stoic schooner]

Reading this is making my brain hurt

[trim zealot]

So we should nerf it? I don’t get it at all.

[stoic schooner]

Not to you btw

[subtle lotus]

Its not an nerf its an lil adjustment, it will still keep the same, just a lil bit more unconsistent and less spammy

[trim zealot]

Inconsistency is a nerf.

[stoic schooner]

My brother in christ

[trim zealot]

Imagine if a move only has a 70% chance to hit.

[subtle lotus]

Your lit saying that bc you dont play more characters than T&J

[trim zealot]

Like a 20% miss is not good at all.

[subtle lotus]

But if you play someone else you cant do anything against him

[stoic schooner]

If your constantly getting hit by paddle thats on you

[subtle lotus]

Paddle its consistent bro, you dont need an working brain to perform the 0-100 combo

[stoic schooner]

DI:Am i a joke to you?

[trim zealot]

Literally only complaining about paddle though. You must be getting hit with other moves.

[trim zealot]

Yeah, you need practice.

[subtle lotus]

Your lit telling me to keep the op character stuff the same isnt it, so if I use your logic I could keep arya stark killing at 60, and steven killing at 0 percent sometimes...

[stoic schooner]

Well your Opps dont know how to fight T&J

[trim zealot]

Yes. Arya killing at 60 isn’t at all surprising. She has high kill power.

[subtle lotus]

Your telling me that I need practice with T&J if I alr hit masters, i alr khow how to use all of his kit and all of his combos

[stoic schooner]

thats rich coming from you

[subtle lotus]

Im just saying that heavy characters cant do anything against him

[trim zealot]

It goes for anyone. You have to practice to hit the combo. It wasn’t targeted at you.

[subtle lotus]

Its an lil adjustment, bc the light character alr can do that so theres no problem on giving the same ability on heavy ones, bc thats not even fair

[trim zealot]

You can’t send a new player into the lab and tell them to do the “T&J loops” they’ll be hella confused.

[stoic schooner]

They don't know what to do anyway

[subtle lotus]

When the game release i was they guy who share the combo with @sour tide, the paddle string and I didnt khow that everyone will spam that thing

[trim zealot]

I meant new to T&J mostly. But my point is that you need experience, not just a functional brain like Gogeta said.

[stoic schooner]

Reading his messages make my brain hurt

[subtle lotus]

The combo its not even hard to perform

The thing its that paddle by himself

Its an reading di and mix up tool also an anti air

So the combo needs to read di too

If you didnt notice

Its not spamming and thats it

[trim zealot]

It’s also Jerry shot. There are ways to get rid of long combos without making single moves 50/50s. Move staling is a prime fix for any overpowered combos.

[subtle lotus]

While T&J its walking with his paddle his actually reading di, and you can turn around while doing it too

The paddle by himself its an reading di tool

[trim zealot]

It’s not reading DI, the move knocks the opponent whichever way you’re facing the frame it hit.

[subtle lotus]

No, the opponent can escape, and di while they are in the paddle

I though you alr khew that

[trim zealot]

I have yet to see anyone escape my paddle. But when I see it, I Will believe it. If what you say is true though, the move is already a % chance to combo, so why nerf it if it isn’t 100% consistent?

[subtle lotus]

It isnt an %100 consistent with light characters bc the di its harder to read

But with huge hitbox characters or high weight like superman or jason they cant simply escape

Even if they di

The will get back into the combo

Bc of the weight and hitbox

So the combo its an 50/50 on light weight

[trim zealot]

Even better, nerf the move that only does 100%+ on heavies. Heavies should be combo food in any plat fighter.

[subtle lotus]

But an 80/20 on heavy weight

Heavy got no options to escape from the combo

[trim zealot]

They live at higher %s anyways.

[subtle lotus]

The only way to escape its if the T&J it's bad reading the di on them

And thats hard to fin bc its super easy to read the di on heavy characters

[trim zealot]

If a combo has a low chance of affecting lightweights, and a high chance of doing lots to heavies, I don’t see the point of a nerf. Heavies get comboed, lightweights get killed earlier. It’s balanced.

[stoic schooner]

Reading his messages is rotting my brain

[subtle lotus]

Who's message?

[stoic schooner]

Yours

[subtle lotus]

This man it's so crazy stupid man

[subtle lotus]

You cant do that bc of this

[stoic schooner]

...

[subtle lotus]

You khow why the nerfed IG?

[trim zealot]

Can’t do what?

[subtle lotus]

And marvin

[subtle lotus]

Respond me