Tom And Jerry

[zinc tendon]

I can't remember who I played in beta till I unlocked t&j

I mean I just otp them as soon as I got them

[stoic schooner]

How long is the game gonna be down for?

[primal tangle]

Idk tbh I am just sitting with the game open on my main screen refreshing every couple minutes 😂

[primal tangle]

I am in btw

[stoic schooner]

I refuse to believe that

[primal tangle]

check twitch, many people are in

[stoic schooner]

are you kidding me

[primal tangle]

it's still bugged though, I didnt get my post game stats

[stoic schooner]

They did say theres a button for that

[primal tangle]

hmm. which is?

I can see match history details though

[stoic schooner]

Im not in so i dont know

[summer rivet]

i got tons of jerry clips if i only knew how to share ps5 clips

im a certified Jerry main

[primal tangle]

any of you use right trigger for specials?

[drowsy nexus]

I use my triggers for dodge

[primal tangle]

try using special for testing, my rod is just tapping. not holding

not sure if it's a bug or a feature

[stoic schooner]

Hows T&J for Yall

[primal tangle]

decent. I am still trying to figure out the perfect buffer input

[stoic schooner]

I am to but cant

[primal tangle]

I am currently using 10

but it's a bit too much for dynamite bat

[stoic schooner]

Im sure people will make guides for it

[primal tangle]

this is really dependant on your controller/connection/preference

it differs from 1 player to another

[stoic schooner]

Im on PS5 controller

Imma do it where ill go up in 5s

[primal tangle]

there is still the bluetooth input latency, or if you're using a cable. + your reaction time

[sour tide]

My best advice for it is when you drop dynamite to drift backwards, it sets you up perfectly for it

I’m a big single dynamite fan 😔🙏

[primal tangle]

you mean while running?

[sour tide]

I usually hit it mid air so while I’m falling in the dyna drop animation I’ll drift back so I can hit it towards my opponent

[primal tangle]

I understand, I am talking about a different use of it.

[sour tide]

What use for it are you talking about ?

[primal tangle]

I am trying to use it more aggressively not for escaping

[sour tide]

Yeah you can do that, but in order to actually hit the dyna you have to drift back a little

[primal tangle]

but your way comes in handy too in certain situation, but has nothing to do with the input buffer thing I am talking about

[sour tide]

I like using it in neutral to give me something to chase behind or force an option that isn’t putting Jerry in danger

[primal tangle]

yup I am just testing it in labs. in game it's gonna be so much harder with the dirfting XD

[sour tide]

It’s okay it took me a bit to get it down but after a little while you’ll have it, I don’t think I can explain how invaluable dyna is as a tool

[primal tangle]

do you use split dynamite or 5%?

[sour tide]

5% but it depends on play style, if you want stronger edge guarding and overall more aggressive play especially against armor I’d go for triple

If you want better neutral and an easier disadvantage I’d go 5%

Landing with Dyna is imo one of the best ways to prevent getting juggled

[primal tangle]

so you decide which set before you enter the game

that's good, having different playstyles

[sour tide]

You can do that, and I have custom sets built for both, but tbh I always run 5%

I just think having one dynamite is too limiting for how I play

[primal tangle]

what's your peak with tnj in beta?

[sour tide]

I actually didn’t play beta that much, like at all really

So everything I’ve learned about Tom is exclusively through release

But my win rate usually hovers around 75%

[primal tangle]

feelsbad we dont have character ranks rn

[primal tangle]

you use flame, 100 and pugilist (fist) on both sets?

or do you use static on dynamite split?

[sour tide]

Yeah, but collateral damage and speed force are really good as well

I’ve never touched static

[primal tangle]

it sounds good for ranged game

[primal tangle]

does collateral damage only counts against walls or for all knockbacks?

[sour tide]

It requires you to run on the ground for a bit too long than I’d like

[sour tide]

It counts for floor bounce as well as walls so it’s really good for T&J loops

[primal tangle]

does slingshot applies it?

[sour tide]

But I don’t use it since I struggle killing with Tom way more than I do dealing damage and last stand helps a lot with that

[sour tide]

It technically doesn’t but it will if you hit them into the ground with Jerry shot

[primal tangle]

how can you slingshot them into the ground?

jump --> tilt down slingshot?

[sour tide]

Just aim Jerry downwards, the opponent will always get knocked into whatever angle Jerry is shot in

[primal tangle]

welp. I need to practice that then

I use it on level ground or in air usually

[sour tide]

As long as Jerry survives, but Jerry shot down usually leads to a lot of Tom’s combo game

That’s usually how the paddle loops start

[primal tangle]

do you use a controller?

[sour tide]

Keyboard and mouse all the way

[primal tangle]

ah. nvm then

[sour tide]

If it’s any help I’d recommend binding an extra button to dair so you don’t fast fall while using it unless you want to

[primal tangle]

my issue is with the right stick set to special side on tom

you can't really hold Rod with it

[sour tide]

If it makes you feel any better I almost never use rod

I don’t think there’s ever been a moment unless I’m off stage where I’ve actually wanted to use rod

[primal tangle]

I play 2's

whenever my mate is having a 1v2 situation and I am on the other side of the stage

I just spam rod to help him faster

it's also really good for finishing

[drowsy nexus]

The same day that multiversus gets its mid-season patch is the day xbox live goes down lol

[sour tide]

Ohhh alright if my teammate is having a rough time I send a dynamite and Jerry over there and run in personally

Unless I wanna kill

[primal tangle]

I tend to position a bit further than jerry's straight hit range

when I am zoning away from the fight

[sour tide]

If you angle him up you can send him farther but that takes a bit more character knowledge

[primal tangle]

yeah but they can see him coming

and dodge

[sour tide]

I mean yeah but they have to dodge both Jerry shot and your teammate and dyna if you send it

Very poor position for them to be in

[primal tangle]

yup

it's good in closed maps. not really recommended in open ones, unless you're 100% confident of your aim

[sour tide]

That’s what we are 😔🙏

[primal tangle]

the 45 degree aim doesnt really help

[sour tide]

Not saying fishing rod is a bad option tho, I think it’s just another play style difference thing

[primal tangle]

yeah once you get used to rod knockouts you'll find out how good they are

they never expect the knock back out of it

as nobody really uses it

[sour tide]

I’m a singles player 90% of the time so I never really get much out of it

My doubles win rate is usually around 90% tho so I might be cooking 😔🙏

I do def get more use out of rod in doubles tho

[primal tangle]

yeah I dont really play 1's myself

everything I talk about is 2's tested

[sour tide]

Tom is worse in 1s tbh, not bad but not nearly as good as he is in 2s

[primal tangle]

people know how to deal with jerry in 1's

in 2's they ignore the mouse

[sour tide]

Yeah I’m usually more conservative with Jerry in 1s but in 2s it’s full send

Tho Jerry snipe is still my favorite thing to pull off

[primal tangle]

nothing beats a jerry snipe finish

as a rocket or as a slingshot

[sour tide]

Honestly if you miss Jerry shot they’re usually in prime position to get smacked with frying pan

It’s good looks all around

[primal tangle]

some characters gives you ptsd to go near them XD

slingshot jerry --> run & pick up or rod her back

[sour tide]

Even if I’m without Jerry I’m going full send

They expect you to play like a coward but we hold forward

If anything I play more aggressive without Jerry

[primal tangle]

does your shark hat jerry look like this too?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1257757933790564433/1257781817839194162/image.png?ex=6685a819&is=66845699&hm=7703b634389d3f6f438abcc4124d4c88b2276a30e30ec0bc0e462730cca7d9a6&

[sour tide]

I don’t have shark hat Jerry yet 😔🙏

I will be getting him one way or another tho

[primal tangle]

guess I got lucky XD

I got them in the first box

[sour tide]

I wish bro I got the banner my first box

I got Velma, bugs, and Jake so far I think

[subtle lotus]

Its just me or the game fell slower☠️

[subtle lotus]

Yo thats so cool

I want that skin

Dang

[primal tangle]

same. lmao

its prolly bugged, future skin or something

[delicate lagoon]

whats a good input buffer time thing for t&j

[primal tangle]

I am using 10.

[sour tide]

I’m prolly gonna use 6 personally

[primal tangle]

I tried 5-6-7. hard to land dynamite bat. 8 is sweet spot

[sour tide]

It’s personal preference, also I play keyboard

6 frames is just the standard platform fighter input buffer

[primal tangle]

yup. playstyle and equipment dependant

[stoic schooner]

The gc im in is malding bc T&J got buffs

[primal tangle]

Good. let them suffer harder 🤣

[drifting pollen]

Are their finna be any changed to Tom and Jerry

[drowsy nexus]

Ayyyy same here man. I'm an upclose beast without Jerry.

[sour tide]

MY GOATS WE CAN STILL LOOP

[drowsy nexus]

You didn't know that?

I found that out for the....30 minutes I had to play

Then xbox live went down

X(

The infinite still works

[sour tide]

well yeah i figured i just didn't get to play yet

but some people were worried so i had to shout it for them in the back

[drowsy nexus]

Yea the paddle, Jerry, infinite still works I think

[sour tide]

it do

[drowsy nexus]

You know...it's funny considering I never bothered to learn Bugs infinite but of course Tom and jerry have probably the easiest and most cheap infinite so I figure theirs out easy

It's always the cat and mouse I'm God with

[stoic schooner]

Im still learning them

[sour tide]

there's always more to learn with T&J

[stoic schooner]

Their an entire library

[subtle lotus]

Ik

[stoic schooner]

I gonna let out all of my rage here

[drowsy nexus]

Do I need to come out of tutor retirement?

[raw fossil]

why do i see glasses on tom and jerry on a skin

[stoic schooner]

i dunno your choice

[visual tiger]

it's the shark week skin, but the icon is wrong

I assume the sunglasses skin is going to be an agent smith-styled skin for everyone

where they get his shades

[drowsy nexus]

I'm guessing Agent T. And Agent J.

Or at least that's what I'm dubbing them for now

Now if only they gave them suits with the glasses

[summer rivet]

or jerry can defend himself with his corks

[sour tide]

i'm more talking about jerry snipe off stage so you can't use corks there but on stage that's good advice

[summer rivet]

I've done a cork snipe off the stage before
it led to a nice setup into the frying pan

[sour tide]

✍️ ✍️ ✍️

I'll have to look into this myself

[summer rivet]

man i wish i knew how to share ps5 clips

[summer rivet]

jerry's a powerful "projectile"

one of the best ever

[sour tide]

He's not just a projectile, he's a friend

[summer rivet]

and an enemy
both tbh

[drowsy nexus]

I just noticed that seaside tnj's color pallet was fixed. Tom is no longer than more vibrant blue...which I kinda don't like bc I actually liked the deeper blue.

[summer rivet]

ill find a way to show a few cool jerry clips

[summer rivet]

can i dm u some t&j clips?

[summer rivet]

to show u what I mean

[sour tide]

Yeah sure go ahead and cook

[forest laurel]

I should chat in here, how are my fellow Fans of the cat n mouse?

[odd wadi]

Fishing pole feels gutted. Feels like I have limited control compared to before

[summer rivet]

I feel that same way
I'm doing good my fellow fan

[sour tide]

Yeah it’s not really that good imo, in 1s i don’t think I’ve ever wanted to use it but in 2s it’s okay

[primal tangle]

is t&j ringouts badge obtainable/purchasable?

[sacred urchin]

https://streamable.com/6z228d

why did he go sideways instead of upwards lol

ive never seen that before

[sour tide]

my guess is it's cuz you hit him with the pull back

[sacred urchin]

usually that just does the sweetspot though right

and does extra knockback but ive never seen it go in that direction

my guess is because of some weird interaction with pulling Jerry back to me but man

[visual roost]

Bugs got unique voice lines for Tom and Jerry in the recent patch

Always so glad when they add more interactions for these two :>

[summer rivet]

hooray, ikr?

[summer rivet]

right

[sharp plaza]

I will never understand why jerry feel so tanky

[midnight wraith]

What do yall think is Tom & Jerry's best/worst matchups? Personally, if you play him right, Iron Giant gets neutered by Tom & Jerry making that matchup favorable

I think Taz might honestly be one of their worst matchups tbh. They're too fast to do much too

[sour tide]

Prolly WW

Shield still one taps jerry

and armor is tricky

[shrewd badge]

how does one go against finn

if ur T&J

[midnight wraith]

I'd say this, but Ground Down Attack and Dash Attack both are Armor Break moves that are really useful in that matchup

[midnight wraith]

Space out as much as possible, use Aerial Down Special (dynamite) to stop his combos when he's on you, use reflected corks/tennis balls as much as you can and don't forget the mouse trap.

[shrewd badge]

do u just camp in that MU

cause I feel like you can't really do anything upclose to finn

[midnight wraith]

You kinda have to. Tom and Jerry are lighter than other characters, so Finn can do less to kill you. Tom & Jerry were made to abuse projectiles especially against Finn

[shrewd badge]

what about WW

I feel like those 2 are tom's hardest MUs

[midnight wraith]

Just use Down Attack on the ground when she has a shield move out and you should be fine. It'll break the armor and attack her, making the armor useless

[shrewd badge]

ok ty

[odd wadi]

Had to be this

[latent thicket]

Haven't played the most recent patch at all, but pre-patch it was Joker as worst and jason as best

[midnight wraith]

I'm a Jason main first then Tom & Jerry main second. I firmly believe Jason is better in the matchup now, at least from what I could tell from that one day before they terminated him.

[forest laurel]

As a Fellow Jason/Tom main, I agree.
It was a very even battle imo

Especially if Jason runs Projectile Shield

[primal tangle]

how are you guys doing in the shaggy matchup?

[hidden verge]

NEW TnJ INTERACTIONS!!?

@drowsy nexus bugs finally notices TnJ

[stoic schooner]

I hate fighting him

[hidden verge]

He got nerfed

He’s so easy to play against

You COUNTER shaggy

I don’t understand why you struggle😭

[primal tangle]

same. he does 25 damage in 1 kick and can ko you at 80

like ????????

[stoic schooner]

Neither do i

[hidden verge]

You counter the shag master

Your paddle makes any of his dair moves just not work

Your mouse trap prevents his side kick

And he can’t do anything against your tennis ball setups

[primal tangle]

thaat would work in 1's

not in 2's

[stoic schooner]

Cant he just jump?

[hidden verge]

I thought we where talking about 1s

[primal tangle]

I don't play 1's

[hidden verge]

Not if you use rocket

Throw tennis balls at Jerry

Shoot rocket at him

[stoic schooner]

Shaggy will just kill him

[hidden verge]

Then use tennis racket to shoot tennis ball projectiles

[hidden verge]

Not if you throw rocket

It launches him in the air

[primal tangle]

all shaggy's kill jerry as a rocket or as a slingshot

[stoic schooner]

Dair will kill

[hidden verge]

Not if you shoot tennis balls

It protects Jerry

And he still has corks

[stoic schooner]

Some people are hellbent at killing Jerry

[hidden verge]

You really shouldn’t have an excuse for losing to a shag master

Unless the shagster is really good

Which usually isn’t the case

[stoic schooner]

Ill just gonna accept im trash

[hidden verge]

All shaggys play the same it’s boring

Shaggy players are boring

[hidden verge]

Your not bad

Just once you learn to play against shaggy you learn how to play against him forever

They play the same all the time

BORING

[stoic schooner]

They say T&J play boring

not even true

[hidden verge]

TnJs feel boring because all of our setups usually use the same moves

[coarse jackal]

T&J are aids to play against

Run all damn game

[hidden verge]

Paddle

[hidden verge]

Who do you play

[coarse jackal]

Morty and Superman

[stoic schooner]

Then you have no excuse

[hidden verge]

Yeah you have no room to talk

Mr I Spam nades and armor moves

[coarse jackal]

Neither of those characters are above B tier?

[hidden verge]

You spam mud wall and axe

[stoic schooner]

Morty players are mashy

[coarse jackal]

yall spam paddle

And run

[coarse jackal]

Ironic

[hidden verge]

And Superman you spam your armor moves and command grab

Your aids

You spam all your armor moves

And you cry when somebody learns that you can’t do anything of you space away from superman

[stoic schooner]

Says the guy with who plays heavily armored character

[hidden verge]

Your the guy who says to nerf characters with multiple projectiles because you can’t use any of your armor moves

[primal tangle]

zone out superman players and they all will start flying at you

[hidden verge]

You lose to any Batman player

[primal tangle]

you can just rocket them once they lock in animation

[hidden verge]

With to fast to block

[stoic schooner]

I think its just my patience and defence weakening my gameplay

[hidden verge]

My best advice

[stoic schooner]

Those 2 i need to work on

[hidden verge]

Use dair all the time

Down pan is such a good move

I always start the game with Dair

I jump in the air and pan

Into scratch

Jab jab paddle

Scratch

Down pan

[stoic schooner]

Im trying to find new combos with T&J with the Jump Power with T&J

[hidden verge]

I love spiking with TnJ

[hidden verge]

It’s just not gonna work

Try and get better with your paddle combos

That’s the cat and mouse’s bread and butter

I’ve tried to use rocket Jerry

But I never could

I just use it for kill weapon

[stoic schooner]

Void is no longer playing T&J so i cant learn from him

[hidden verge]

He has a guide

[stoic schooner]

Im just trying to learn to attack cancel

[hidden verge]

Paddle cancel is a great move for him

That’s his loop

Paddle down Jerry

[stoic schooner]

I did know how to do it but i forgotten

[hidden verge]

Just click a move as soon as you hit somebody with paddle

It will always do 3 ticks

Then do the next move

[stoic schooner]

So 3rd hit?

[primal tangle]

how many wins you guys got on tnj?

[stoic schooner]

Hold up lemme check

[hidden verge]

1.6k

[hidden verge]

I usually just do another move as soon as I paddle

It always does 3 ticks

Before cancel

[primal tangle]

so you have about 1.5k-2k more games than I do on tnj XD

[hidden verge]

Yurp

[stoic schooner]

338

[hidden verge]

Also a beta player

TnJ main in beta as well

[primal tangle]

me too. I peaked top 394 in teams

but it was easier back then

[hidden verge]

Top 5k 1s

With TnJ

[primal tangle]

I think I was around the same in 1's

but I didnt play as much

was just carried by my 2's mmr

[hidden verge]

I played him even when he was bad

And he was nerfed in beta

And Morty got buffed and was EVERYWHERE

[primal tangle]

I've played pre-rick and morty release

quit the game for a while after

I still think tnj is busted XD

despite all the bad matchups

we still deal tons of damage each game

my highest damage dealt badge is at 5 stars just because of that

[drowsy nexus]

ALRIGHT GETTING ON RIGHT NOW.

They finally heard my call

Bro his voice lines are amazing. Exactly how I'd picture bugs talking to tnj. Finally now my games won't be filled with dead silence half the time

[midnight wraith]

I don't think Tom & Jerry is busted since there are ways to get around them and punish easily especially with Armor, but you are right about the tons of damage. A bad start for the enemy and the right perks equipped can make your opponent start the match with around 50%. I've made people ragequit because of this, especially Batmans

[hidden verge]

It’s so peak

[drowsy nexus]

Seems only bugs was given dialog tho

I just killed everyone in the lab and only bugs is new

[hidden verge]

Good argument however TOM,JERRY! How many decades we been doin this

Yer not supposed to get the rabbit yer supposed to get the MOUSE

[drowsy nexus]

Welp guess it's time to campaign for Marvin interactions

[hidden verge]

Yez

Tomas jasper needs interaction love

[drowsy nexus]

Side note can I just say anything Marvin says in his voice is a joy to me

[hidden verge]

All sad that nobody knows who they are

[drowsy nexus]

I'd love to hear him mention Tom and jerry

[odd wadi]

I feel like it's Finn

[hidden verge]

Bro finn is everywhere now

He has the hurt box the size of Saturn now on his charge blade

[drowsy nexus]

I imagine Marvin acting confused about the logic of Tom not being able to catch Jerry or something

[odd wadi]

He has a lot of anti projectile stuff and he's so hard for me to hit and whiff punishes everything I try to do.

[hidden verge]

I went against 7 Finn’s out of my 15 games

[drowsy nexus]

Wrong reply

[hidden verge]

It’s so annoying to deal with a 0 to death assassin as a light cat

[drowsy nexus]

Lol

[hidden verge]

Whoops

[drowsy nexus]

You know what's funny?

[hidden verge]

My life?

[drowsy nexus]

Today I got shark head Tnj out of the crate box too

[hidden verge]

I can’t be on

[drowsy nexus]

It's almost like it was a sign

[hidden verge]

Vacation moment

[drowsy nexus]

Couldn't be me lol

[hidden verge]

Womp womp

[hidden verge]

WAS you

[drowsy nexus]

Nu uh

[hidden verge]

You were in despair

[drowsy nexus]

I dunno what you are talking about

[drowsy nexus]

Either way funny coincidence today

It's almost like today was a sign

[hidden verge]

Buggs sucks now

No LOOPS

We’ve peaked

[drowsy nexus]

You know who still has an infinite?

Tnj

😎

[midnight wraith]

If it's the Hammer/Paddle combo, it's not a true infinite sadly

[drowsy nexus]

I was referring to the paddle Jerry combi

Ik it's been nerfed probably but it still kinda works

At the least it's a lock at least

Could be wrong tho but I swear it did it a couple times a couple days ago after the mid-season patch

I honestly don't know what all happened in today's update aside from the fact Jason came back and bugs was given tnj interactions

[hidden verge]

It works if the other person is on burn out

[hidden verge]

☝️

[rancid solar]

TnJ mains are nothing without his dumbass loop

every single one of you do it constantly

[primal tangle]

you mean shaggies right?

[midnight wraith]

Not our fault you wasted all your dodge

[midnight wraith]

We still got a lot of projectile setups and traps

[coarse jackal]

They run the whole game as well

[sour tide]

womp womp

[odd wadi]

Which one

[drowsy nexus]

Please. I've soloed without Jerry multiple times and I'm not even one to use their infinite much unless I just feel like being a troll.

[subtle lotus]

Best matchup jason

Worst

Wonder woman, superman

Could br

Be

If its an good one an finn

And yeah thats like all

And you dont want to face an superman

Trust me

☠️

So damm broken

[hidden verge]

Supes isn’t too hard

And Wonder Woman is surprisingly easier because of her nerfs

[subtle lotus]

In talking about experience supermans

☠️

They got an loop

And armor attack

[hidden verge]

This patch really helped us cat and mouse tho don’t lie

[subtle lotus]

Bro its almost an abuse

[hidden verge]

We do too

[subtle lotus]

Ik

I main tom and jerry since the beggininf

Beggining

[hidden verge]

And we have an instant kill button at 120 or higher with Jerry rocket

[subtle lotus]

Ik

[subtle lotus]

No

We dont

[hidden verge]

If supes misses his jab

[subtle lotus]

Its easy to di out

[hidden verge]

He’s stuck In a hella long loop

[subtle lotus]

You can di the paddle then dodge

[hidden verge]

I get it

He has a stupid jab

[subtle lotus]

Yea

[hidden verge]

But also very punishable

If he misses

[subtle lotus]

Thats true😂

[hidden verge]

I just don’t have much trouble with superman

[subtle lotus]

I just founded smth super crazy

For tom and jerry

And broken

So i will teach to my community

This trick

[hidden verge]

Go for it

[subtle lotus]

Its super great

Ok so you can read an dodgd easy with tom and jerry

And then follow for an loop with paddle

Remember that its not like an true loop

You can di

So you got to follow the di

Ok so first

You need to do 3 jabs

Then charge your paddle

So you got to wait

Till your opponent dodge

Its super easy

[hidden verge]

Yeah I’m aware

[subtle lotus]

If they dodge behind you just follow up for an paddle

If they dodge away follow with an paddle walking to him or dodge cancel into jab string

And remember this its super important

Its a lil bit quick to do it

And you need to react fast to your opponent dodge

If you miss

You get heavy punish

So its like an punish for dodge

Theres characters than can do it

Like harley quinn after his nerf

When you could do side air after reacting to your opponent dodge

You just need to time it

Its easy

And its an easy combo starter

[primal tangle]

how do you do the double upair combo?

[subtle lotus]

Its double down air?

Up air its

Paddle into jump and jerry shot

Ground bounce

Then you follow for another one

And you got to follow the fi

Di

[latent thicket]

in short uair > read di > dash cancel uair

[subtle lotus]

Its up air not paddle and not true

Up air its not an combo move

Its like an finisher or for ko your opponent

[latent thicket]

i never said it was true, its just a callout

[subtle lotus]

Theres no combo with up air

Up tilt has good combo

But got to read di

And its easy punisheable

You can get out very ez if you dont do it correctly

And get easy punish

[latent thicket]

theres rlly no reason to go for uair uair unless your opponent just does not touch their controller

just go for simple less laggy moves like sair or even maybe racket

[subtle lotus]

How you will do an rackry in air?

Racket its not safe tho

[latent thicket]

but its a big hitbox

good get off me tool

[subtle lotus]

Nah bro

Its ez to dodge

Anyway

And easy to punish

Racket itd only use for deflect projectiles

And throwing projectiles

Bc you can punish racket easy

And same with dash attack

Never use it

Pls

Has a lot of end lag

And if you miss it

Prepare yourself☠️

[latent thicket]

you literally just asked me how to do it in air

how would you know if its bad or not

[subtle lotus]

In general tom and jerry got a lot of problrms bc of hid bad frame data

I didnt

[subtle lotus]

Was this guy

[latent thicket]

then whats this

[subtle lotus]

Racket in air its bad

Its just an expression

But its like super unsafe

[latent thicket]

its not bad at all

[subtle lotus]

The only good move in air its sair

Nair its ez to punish

[latent thicket]

is it good to throw out if you dont know when to use it? obviously not

[subtle lotus]

If your opponent dont react quick

[latent thicket]

sair is the better option 9 times out of 10 but the kill power with it triumphs sair

[latent thicket]

why would you throw it out randomly in neutral

its a good whiff punish move

if your opponent whiffs nair is the better option

especially dash cancel > nair

[subtle lotus]

I would like to do dash cancel sair

I never use nair tbh

Its just not worth its ez to punish and its not quicker than sair

[latent thicket]

ive been expirimenting and have been using it as a whiff punish move more and more

[subtle lotus]

Ye you can use it for that

[latent thicket]

its definetly the better option to do as a whiff punish but sair is better to just throw out randomly

[subtle lotus]

An good wiff punish its going for the up tilt

Lile the best one

[latent thicket]

you cant utilt in the air 💀

[subtle lotus]

You can like 3 jabs

No im talking about in ground

In general

Utilt its like the best wiff punish move

[latent thicket]

id debate down angled jerryshot is but i wouldnt be mad if people said utilt is better

[subtle lotus]

You can 3 jab wait for the dodge then follow up for an utilt and start the combo

[latent thicket]

both are really good

[latent thicket]

thats a callout though

if your opponent doesnt mash dodge then what

[subtle lotus]

Jerry shot its great in the ledge of the stage

[subtle lotus]

You react to him non dodging

And just hit the move

Doing that

Its reacting to his dodgd

Dodge

Not reading

And i dont recommend doing jerry shots if you dont khos how to keep safe your jerry

I do it a lot but only bc i khow the tools to protect jerry

But its like risky

If you dont manage him

[latent thicket]

i know how to keep my jerry alive when hes away or when hes close

[subtle lotus]

Youll be using rocket, rod, corks, and tennis balls

[latent thicket]

my jerry only really dies when im messing around and try to go for a jerry snipe

or if i shoot him into harley hammer lol

[subtle lotus]

An jerry snipe its really powerfull if you dont miss it

You can follow an jerry snipe to do an double attack

After you hit your opponent in the edge

They will be stunned bc of jerry khockback so you just up special

And an rocket will follow jerry till he dies and you get 2 projectiles

Pushing the opponent

[latent thicket]

one thing i dont see a lot of toms actually doing is using double jump timings

similar to cloud in smash ultimate, we can do the same dair stuff cloud can with back air

[hidden verge]

Me…

[latent thicket]

its just vertical

[latent thicket]

im saying from what i see on random toms on 1v1

they all opt into shooting jerry far away from him and relying on rocket and dash attack to keep him alive

[hidden verge]

Make him a little heavier

[latent thicket]

they never actually using toms boxing tools until jerry is dead

[hidden verge]

Made of feathers

[latent thicket]

i dont think tom has super bad boxing tools either, only thing id really change is make jab 4 connect a little better and give us back jab 2 or jab 3 > dtilt

[woeful epoch]

Low key top 3 character? If not top 5 for sure

[latent thicket]

ive been making a mu chart for a day or so now and with the amount of bad mus i currently have listed, it doesnt seem like top 5

as a secondary though? def top 3

finn being as strong as he is right now, t&j do cover a lot of his bad mus

[stoic schooner]

I still dont get why they buffed him

[drowsy nexus]

If this was back in the open beta I think an argument could have been made for black Adam bc back then if Jerry was shot into his shield he died instantly that mixed with his stage control sometimes made him annoying. However now I'd say he's more manageable.
Currently from my experience I think tnj's best match up is either Jason, Marvin, or maybe Iron Giant depending on their skill level but Jason is almost always the best one.
As for worst? I'd say Superman or Wonder Woman.
But keep in mind alot of these are skilled based too so one match with a Jason could be a noob while another could be cracked. It all comes down to the skill level of you and your opponent.

I'm late lol

[drowsy nexus]

You forgot the tennis balls since Jerry has a hit box when hitting them back.

That's a common way to get people off Jerry too

Especially if they are right on top of him

[hardy snow]

cork is also great for keeping him alive, as you can keep resetting it when you pick him up

anyone know if they will fix the bug with tom when the tennis balls pass through opponents and apply the ignite perk?

[latent thicket]

i know all this, what im saying is 80% of the toms i run into on 1v1 mode do that

[latent thicket]

i can mention it to one of the devs later

[hardy snow]

when zoning with t&j, using racket for rocket and when doing jerry rocket then cork mid air is great

[latent thicket]

idk if its a bug tho

might be intentional

[hardy snow]

the reset of dynamite cooldown is also a bug

it happens randomly, but it happens quite often with me

[hardy snow]

but it only does this when using triple dynamite

[hardy snow]

not all tom players have the same playstyle, especially that 80% of tom players

you gotta also take into consideration that the first thing a tom's opponent loves doing first is getting any chance they get to kill jerry

[subtle lotus]

Tbh tom and jerry needs some buff

The obly combo that we got its paddle into jerry shot

And you can di out easy and punish

And thats like the only combo that we got

And its hsrd to start it

And yea for those who dont khow

Its not an loop

And its not true combo

And easy diable

But its pretty good if your good following di

And the combo ends like at 80 or 85% bc after that the opponent wiff out of the combo and can get you punish

So be careful

Also il give bad mus

For the new tom and jerry players

[midnight wraith]

You're good lol. Discord told me I got @ somewhere in this server but I had to search every channel for the reply since it didnt show it came from this chat lol

[drowsy nexus]

Heh

Feel ya

Happens all the time

Hate it when your notifications don't take you directly to the message

[midnight wraith]

But a good matchup with Marvin? That's suprising to me, but then again, I haven't faced a Marvin as Tom & Jerry

[drowsy nexus]

I said good match up with Marvin

[midnight wraith]

Oh, I meant good lmao, my bad

[drowsy nexus]

Your good

Well I'm just comparing to everyone else and I'd say Marvin is probably the weakest out of most of them in 1v1 setting

Like I personally see Marvin built for 2v2s more than 1v1s honestly

[midnight wraith]

That's true

[drowsy nexus]

With Tom and jerry and their endless amount of tomfoolery its easy to sometimes bully Marvin into submission

Then again I bully everyone into submission but still-

[drowsy nexus]

Heh Tomfoolery

[hardy snow]

ive never played against a marvin (as a tom main), but can tom racket his missile?

[drowsy nexus]

Have you tried foward jab into down tilt? That's a kill confirm. Tnj have alot of things that can connect into eachother. Or do you mean like infinite combos?

[drowsy nexus]

I don't think so. But Tom can reflect basically everything else

[subtle lotus]

Bad mus:
This characters could destroy you if your opponent its experimented using it:
Morty, Superman, Batman, Harley Quinn, Finn, Arya Stark, Shaggy, Black Adam, Tazz, Bugs Bunny, Steven Universe, Joker, Lebron James.
Mid mus: Gizmo, Wonder Woman, Stripe, Garnet, Iron Giant, Rick
Good mus: Jason, Velma, Marvin, Banana Guard, Reindog
Also, if your good playing T&J you could win like 90% of the roster but this its in general

[subtle lotus]

Alr tried

Im like one of the older players here of T&J

Xd

[hardy snow]

no its not, you can still jerry shot into dair while activating cork or jerry racket

[subtle lotus]

I khow every combo

[subtle lotus]

I alr khow

Its just an exageration

[drowsy nexus]

Did you play alpha bc I played tnj day 1 of open beta

[subtle lotus]

But i dont like that you can di and escape of the combo that easy

[drowsy nexus]

I'd say I'm pretty darn good with them tbh

[hardy snow]

well except for projectiles that have a MUCH bigger hitbox than the racket

[subtle lotus]

Well like i grind all the game T&J in the new game but tbh im not that older but i learned every T&J combo

Also

Does anyone khow

How to do gsmvoid combo

[drowsy nexus]

Ik alot too m8

[subtle lotus]

Properly

Bc the second hit of pan its unconsistend

Il tell you the combo

Dair jerry shot ground bounce

Dodgd cancel jump into another dair and jerry shot

But i got problems to land that combo

Second dair wiffs😕

[drowsy nexus]

Honestly Ik that combo exists but I never bothered to learn it since I've been able to win most matches without it

[subtle lotus]

And you need like the correct high

[drowsy nexus]

I probably could if I wanted to tho

[subtle lotus]

Ye ik

Its like an spacing combo

[drowsy nexus]

I'd like to believe I play with honor

Personally

[subtle lotus]

Ah i got an tip

For you

[hardy snow]

dodge attack the second dair

that will work

[subtle lotus]

I do it

[drowsy nexus]

Oooooo

I love me new useless tnj facts

[subtle lotus]

I just said that i dodge cancel jump into dair

Not useless

You didnt hear it

[hardy snow]

into both dairs?

[subtle lotus]

Thought

[drowsy nexus]

Like how if you use up special in the air it actually puts Jerry at just the right amount of distance for a full charge cork shot.

[drowsy nexus]

I was joking lol

[subtle lotus]

No bro what are you talking about

[drowsy nexus]

That's an old fact from in open beta

[subtle lotus]

You cant fully charge an cork shoot lol

[hardy snow]

? @subtle lotus

[subtle lotus]

Yes

[drowsy nexus]

Tennis racket then

[subtle lotus]

Its like chaining to dairs with jerry shot

I practice it

And i got it one time

But its like correct spacing and its quick to perform

[hardy snow]

yes i do that all the time 🤣

[drowsy nexus]

EYYY HE KNOWS THAT FACT!

[hardy snow]

another useless fact is that you can jerry rocket tom, that will send him flying

[drowsy nexus]

Ik it's been nerfed since open beta but still

[hardy snow]

try it out, it is funny

[drowsy nexus]

Oh please dude I do Tom launching all the time

[subtle lotus]

They buffed it🙏

[drowsy nexus]

I have a technique for it too

[subtle lotus]

Bro so the tip its this one

[drowsy nexus]

I recall doing it in the air you can't anymore easily

[subtle lotus]

I khow that you alr learn the paddle into jerry shot combo so

You khow that you got to follow di

So you got to finish the combo

In about 80 or 85%

So the opponent cant wiff out of the combo, dodge it and then punish you for doing paddle

[hardy snow]

do you guys also racket normal rocket or am i the only one??

[subtle lotus]

Up tilt into up special?

[hardy snow]

that too, but thats when you are airborne

i like to call it double rocket

[subtle lotus]

After an up tilt i always do an jerry snipe

[hardy snow]

im talking about when jerry is already on the ground but you rocket then racket it

[subtle lotus]

Also check this:

[drowsy nexus]

Thats an essential for me

[hardy snow]

i thought i was the only one 🤣

[drowsy nexus]

Nah man. BTW check your dms

[subtle lotus]

What do you think about my Mu's?

Also bad stages the one with annoying platform thats interrupt your tom and jerry combo

Like dexter lab

The qdventure time house

You khow

[drowsy nexus]

Dexter's lab 1 or 2? Bc I honestly have more fun than I should on Dexter's lab 2. The one with the platforms

Not the autoscrolling

[subtle lotus]

Ye bro

That map sucks

I hate it

[drowsy nexus]

Dexter's lab 1 I hate

Dexter's lab 2 I give a pass

[subtle lotus]

I hate 2

Bro its just annoying i cant jerry snipe

[drowsy nexus]

Only issue I have with it is the dynamite getting stuck on the platforms

[subtle lotus]

My jerry gets in the platform

[subtle lotus]

And dynamite either

They should do tom and jerry an mechanic to jerry pass the platforms likd

Like

[drowsy nexus]

Yeah I think the dynamite should follow Tom to whatever platform he's on

[subtle lotus]

If you keep pressed special after doing jerry shot it goes throught platforms

[drowsy nexus]

Like if he's a platform below it falls through

[hardy snow]

that clip you showed me of that technique, i tried it now and it seems like it works best when jerry is at a 45 degree angle

[drowsy nexus]

Sick

[subtle lotus]

I would like smth like this

[drowsy nexus]

Tom launching is so much fun lol

That's what I've dubbed it

[subtle lotus]

What are you talking about?

[hardy snow]

especially when he makes that sound effect 🤣

[drowsy nexus]

I dmd him a clip

[hardy snow]

jumping or walking into jerry rocket

[subtle lotus]

Jerry ground bounce shot

[drowsy nexus]

Wanna see too?

[subtle lotus]

Oh jajajaja

I did one thats just funny but not usefull

[drowsy nexus]

Wrong

[subtle lotus]

You get launched by the rocket

Whats the use of that

[drowsy nexus]

It gets across the stage faster than you think

[subtle lotus]

But you let jerry solo

Its not good

[drowsy nexus]

I'll send you the clip

Check your dms

[subtle lotus]

Ok

[hardy snow]

remember, when you jerry rocket into someone and you are near them, you will get launched too

[drowsy nexus]

No Jerry is safe bc he stays on stage

[subtle lotus]

Ye i alr khow

[drowsy nexus]

Plus he stays behind you so he's basically out of harms way

[subtle lotus]

Jerry its left in the stage so the enemy can do an armor breaker move and one shot jerry

Its not good to let jerry a lot of time in the stage

Bc its ez to kill

Atleast you got corks

Rockets

Rod

And tennis balls

But its not worth it tho

[drowsy nexus]

Honestly I never have an issue with that

[subtle lotus]

And yea i alr khew what you were talking about

But i dont like to do it tbh

[hardy snow]

rod is for those 200iq tom players that know what they are doing

[subtle lotus]

Rod its so op

[drowsy nexus]

But you can't say it has NO use

It does

[subtle lotus]

Its super good to bait woth tod

[drowsy nexus]

It's Great for getting across stage

[subtle lotus]

If you dont khow its not good to let your jerry vulnerable if you lose it, tom its like the worst character

[drowsy nexus]

Especially if someone is off ledge

[subtle lotus]

If that its the problem just dodge then jump

[drowsy nexus]

Bro I've soloed without Jerry plenty times

[subtle lotus]

And youl get even faster

[drowsy nexus]

Losing Jerry is a non issue for me

[subtle lotus]

Me too but its not good to lose it anyway

[subtle lotus]

Maybe bc you dont play with top player with 15k wins with his character🙁

[drowsy nexus]

Whatever man. You keep your techniques ill keep mine

[subtle lotus]

I really suffer losing jerry against pro player

Not funny

🥲

[drowsy nexus]

Bro chill

It's not that deep

I'm just saying I Play more risky

[subtle lotus]

I just try to keep alive jerry the modt that i can

[drowsy nexus]

Yeah it has its flaws but it has its uses too

[subtle lotus]

Bc his the best tool for us

Hes our combo

His our killing confirm

[drowsy nexus]

Jerry is expendable to me

[subtle lotus]

You can jerry snipe at the edge for an kill confirm

[drowsy nexus]

Hence why I have no problem risking his life

[subtle lotus]

No bro thats not good

[drowsy nexus]

Jerry is a tool but he's my tool

[hardy snow]

i like leaving jerry stranded so that i can rocket cycle the whole time

[subtle lotus]

If your facing an really pro player you will regreat about what you just msde☠️

Jerry its not good for leaving in ground bc of his low hp, but bro do what you want

[drowsy nexus]

You do realize alot of this I'm talking about from playing unranked right?

[subtle lotus]

Il go play mvs

[hardy snow]

any of you guys play triple dynamite?

[drowsy nexus]

I'm not saying I'd do this in a serious fight

[subtle lotus]

Oh, if its jsut for fun, you can let jerry died all the match but playing against pros its the worst decission ever

[subtle lotus]

Me

[drowsy nexus]

I'm just trying to say calling Tom launching useless isn't true

[subtle lotus]

Has bad frame data

[drowsy nexus]

No duh against a pro I'd play differently

[subtle lotus]

And end lag

[hardy snow]

do you ever get the bug when your dynamite cooldown just instantly resets?

[subtle lotus]

What?

Wait wait

Teach me

[hardy snow]

bruh 💀

[subtle lotus]

Well il go play some mvs bye guys

[drowsy nexus]

Bro I don't wanna have beef with my people can we just drop it and agree to disagree? I think it has a use and you don't okay? Shake hands?
🫱

[drowsy nexus]

Aight man

[hardy snow]

so im the only one 🥲

[drowsy nexus]

I used to use that perk 24/7 in beta

But I've recently dropped it

The problem I have is it gives you less dynamite sticks

[hardy snow]

i can understand how normal dynamite i very useful in strategic situations, but the amount of pressure triple gives you is insane

[drowsy nexus]

And I like to always have a dynamite ready to fling

[drowsy nexus]

I'd say it comes down to the character you are fighting

[hardy snow]

because tom already has so many projectiles that its not that bad to sacrifice a few for more damage output

[drowsy nexus]

If it's someone with lots of armor triple dynamite will excel

But coming from a guy who likes to always have options? against most others I find it better for me personally to have well rounded

I think mine just comes down to preference

I like having more sticks

I can sacrifice damage

It gives me more stage control

[hardy snow]

but any character in general also because of the stun it gives the opponent

iron giant for example

[drowsy nexus]

It comes down to preference dude

I personally value having more sticks but little damage over spread damage but no sticks

[hardy snow]

i never said it didn't, im just giving the benifits of triple

[drowsy nexus]

But that's just me

[drowsy nexus]

And I'm giving the benefits of well rounded. It allows more options in sticky situations or more stage control

Whatever ig ima go back to doing something productive

Later!

[odd wadi]

and Finn

backback has anti projectile stuff and I didn't know that until I played against a good one in 1v1

can't hit him with projectiles and he stuffs and outranges in almost if not every scenario

[subtle lotus]

I alr said that his an bad mu

[subtle lotus]

This are the mu's

The key for winning bad mu's in general its dominating neutral, and aiming correctly jerry snipe, you can zone if your able to

[simple torrent]

Jerry has so many glitches

It makes TnJ such a niche pick because its not reliable at all

I keep shooting tennisballs whilst I have a Jerry
Jerry teleports back to me after shooting
Tennisballs not spawning even though I have tennisballs and the animation is playing
Jerry getting stuck under the map

Beta TnJ has very little issues, idk what happened

[drowsy nexus]

I don't have many of those issues personally except the tennis ball while having Jerry but that usually happens when I'm in the air and jerr comes back. Once I land it fixes.

Even then it just randomly happens

So idk

Aside from that I have no idea how your Jerry is getting stuck under the map and such

Maybe he just had enough of Tom or something lol

He broke the matrix

[simple torrent]

Its just another dissapointment

[drowsy nexus]

Idk man. I still play tnj 24/7 and have heck of alot of fun

Then again I've played since day 1 of the beta so idk

[simple torrent]

I dont play them anymore due to these reasons, and him feeling overall worse compared to beta, but yes he is fun

[drowsy nexus]

That's understandable but again I've never really had most of those issues except tennis ball.

So for me they are fine

But idk maybe I'm just lucky

[drowsy nexus]

If tnj aint doing it for ya man that's fine

I doubt most of us would judge. At least not me

[simple torrent]

Ive had a few people judge me because of it

But im happier playing Batman

Its only a game after all

[drowsy nexus]

Yeah it's not that deep. We are talking about the same cat and mouse who survive bombs, trains, etc.

It's just a matter of preference

[sharp plaza]

Tom and jerry players could have a loop and the best projectile in the game and still say his character is weak, lol

[simple torrent]

Jerry is indeed the best projectile in the game, but the glitches and Jerry getting 1 shot by armor dont make up for it

[unkempt sinew]

I've started picking up T&J

What's the general consensus on the perks they should use?

[primal tangle]

flammable/100/fist

main perk based on playstyle. I use 5%

[unkempt sinew]

Not speed force?

[primal tangle]

you are gonna play zoned most of the game

speed doesnt do much

[unkempt sinew]

Is his dynamite signature any good?

[primal tangle]

depends on the situation

I prefer singles

[latent thicket]

i am a triple dynamite conossuer

and i think its good

only if you dont think you'd use dynamite a ton but still use it

just dont use fishing rod perk

fishing rod already sucks and it just makes it worse

[daring canyon]

How can you do that?

[daring canyon]

Tbh I believe the best perk for t&j is the 5%

The runner up would be dynamite signature

But it’s just I myself rarely use dynamite like that

I like using dynamite to either wait out for Jerry cooldown or to an enemy’s projectile

[subtle lotus]

I use tryple dynamite, flammable doc, speed and static or meele

Triple dynamite its super good

Has an huge aoe

23% dmg if you land the 3 dynamite

And if you dont khow

You can aim where you want to shoot them

With the racket

Just do racket and hold the direction at the same time, you can do that with peojectiles tho

[primal tangle]

sometimes someone punch you mid rocket to the front of it. you get hit by jerry

[hidden verge]

Love when iron clowns get mad because we have a good matchup

They can’t do anything since TnJ can just space

And zone you stupidly well

If they get to close you just smack them with dynamite a few times

Got a hate message

[stoic schooner]

Even tho they have 1000 0 to Deaths

[hidden verge]

They rely on you walking into your attacks

Or dodge spamming his jab

[stoic schooner]

Just got a salty emote while i lost to a Gizmo

I hate that little rat

[hidden verge]

Hold on look how easy it is to space out the giant

Sending you an image look how quickly his percentage goes up

[primal tangle]

when are we gonna get tnj ringouts badge?

[hidden verge]

Never add cowboy TnJ first

[primal tangle]

Zoot suit TnJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[hidden verge]

Nuh uh

[primal tangle]

tom n smith pretty solid comp

[stoic schooner]

Projectile gun go!

[primal tangle]

funny part about the comp people have to chase smith too, not just Tom

[stoic schooner]

They have to pin Morty down get beat him up

[hidden verge]

Guys

I might start playing Batman

[primal tangle]

L

[subtle lotus]

Batman its pick

Actually the goat of combos

Combos

But my fav always will be tom and jerry

[hidden verge]

You know it’s bad when TnJ loses to a Jason one of his best matchups

His jab is monstrous now

[subtle lotus]

Nah tom and jerry dont lose to an jason

Ive never lose with tnj on an jason

But im trying to be good with agent smith

I just dont khow how to play it

[daring canyon]

Are there any other combos besides the pingpong Jerry slingshot combo

[latent thicket]

dair > sair > dash jab 1 > dtilt i think is still true at low percents

[hardy snow]

There is a trap move that basically no one uses besides pros, but it only works when you have the air walker perk

But i think its only effective in 2s

[daring canyon]

Is sair the fishing rod?

[hardy snow]

no its not

[daring canyon]

Oh wait

It’s the paw attack

[hardy snow]

yeah

[drowsy nexus]

Hello. Hate to be a bother to everyone but I'm currently trying to complete the insanity difficulty on The Megaldog. If anyone wants to help me send me a dm. If not I'll try and beat it on my own but I thought I'd ask since I'm currently stuck.

[cunning basin]

#lfg-casual

[midnight wraith]

I just noticed that Tom & Jerry CPUs on Insanity Rifts get 5 Jerry Corks instead of 3. Why??? Why give them more when they're paired with Reindog, another projectile having character that'll just grind you up to death in one combo?

[latent thicket]

might have tom &jerry move to a co-main ngl

agent smith is so god damn fun

first person to get 500 wins with him

[midnight wraith]

There's no way you got 500 wins starting from yesterday

[latent thicket]

33 hours with no sleep can do it

id say about like 100 of those wins are people just getting 0-80 combo'd then jumping off 3 times

the amount of times it actually happened was absurd

[earnest basalt]

https://fixvx.com/figgiesfrommars/status/1810488699047612462

This is so funny (even if Jerry dies in two or three hits)

[hidden verge]

Gamers I think this is my goodbye to the cat and mouse duo

(FOR NOW)

Im currently trying to get good with ratman as playing the same character over and over and over again got repetitive

I’ve been having a lot more fun playing the bat recently than I have with Tom and Jerry

I like that I don’t know interactions

I like that I don’t know the answer to every move

So this is gonna be the last I chat in here for awhile

But rest assured I will be back

Good luck gamers

[summer rivet]

Good luck, you're always gonna be one of us 🫡

[vernal lynx]

Touch some grass fella 😂

[latent thicket]

you're a few days late to the party arent you

[patent prawn]

He cooked

[vernal lynx]

Fashionably late 😎

[young mortar]

does the old combo guides still work after 1,5?

[minor aspen]

hey guys how are you feeling tom, i am feeling him absoulutely trash

[stoic schooner]

??

Waddya mean

[minor aspen]

his jab is trash i feel everyone is like flash i cant dodge anything, everyone gets out of his combos or attacks i feel very slow

i feel that jerry shot is the only good thing

[patent prawn]

They’re really hard to use but very good

[minor aspen]

if i do anything i get a huge punish and many hitboxes and hurtboxes dont feel correct, i know im not the best player in the world but i dont feel him right to use like i used to

[latent thicket]

if you know paddle and jerry combos then its hard to not combo

[primal tangle]

I have about 60-70% w/r with him

[minor aspen]

Then its just me i guess hahaha

[hidden verge]

Alr