Steven Universe

[river bay]

What are we hoping for?

[granite beacon]

lets be real we know hes gettin nerfed again

i hope its not gonna be too bad

maybe we can tech chase with nair after we dair them twice?

roll grounded attack being 2 bar is not a huge deal for steven unless they buff his grounded moves

i predict them nerfing nair damage and lowering sair active frames since thats what people hate the most

[smoky zenith]

Yall scum deserve it anyways

[granite beacon]

buff arya amiright

[paper hollow]

can someone tell me this terrible character's best moves please n ty

[granite beacon]

neutral air sair and shield surf

up air too

[paper hollow]

shield surf = down b?

[granite beacon]

ye

be careful calling this character terrible in public places you will not here the end of it

[river bay]

I don't even really camp around in the air and sthuff I play a very grounded steven idk why

[slate carbon]

why do you torture yourself like that

[smoky zenith]

Shield and water melon Steven are god to

[river bay]

It's probably my smash mind set where I'm like doing go into the air unless I can combo

That or I want to prove to people that I don't need the good buttons to win

[smoky zenith]

But u do those that’s why u play Steven

[slate carbon]

booo zypten was way better

get better bait

[river bay]

most of the time I'm using shield to block projectiles and watermelon steven less as an distraction and more so a small heal

That or using side speical fir the kicn

[trim scaffold]

Steven's BNB for the past 2 years was Nair into Dair into up attack, up air, or up-b

Nair ground bounces

Dair also ground bounuces

But you only get one before they can tech.

Let's just say.

He might not walk this one off.

[river bay]

I play mostly grounded

[trim scaffold]

Oh right time to Jab Nair Dai- oop

It dropped.

🤷‍♀️

Well it was fun while it lasted

[river bay]

I hope they buff grounded up attack so it can kill again

[granite beacon]

shield surf and sair nerfs, honestly surprised nair didnt get touched tbh

[rapid salmon]

how many patches has Steven been nerfed in a row now?

[river bay]

So like his only decent move now is what Nair

[granite beacon]

sair is still gonna be good im sure, shield surf i'm not sure

[river bay]

I mean sair is gonna be good it's just smaller

[granite beacon]

idk about this, we are going to have to rely on nair spam even more now which literally steven players and people fighting steven BOTH dont want

[river bay]

at least you can't tech shields so it's possible those combos still exist

[granite beacon]

"When a fighter is the victim of a combo that includes a terrain bounce, if they are floor bounced again in the same combo they will instead perform an automatic tech" so if someone bounces back and forth between stevens up shield and the floor more than once we cant follow up on that anymore either unless we read the tech

i guess we can manage to do nair dair nair stuff if they land on top of the up shield xD

[visual acorn]

Back to the lab 😔

[trim scaffold]

I'm halfway convinced Steven Universe in Multiversus is social-experiment to see how far people can be annoyed, before doing something drastic.

They seem to be intent on keeping the annoying parts of his kit, while nerfing anything else.

[vague hollow]

I'm kinda glad they nerfed Sair. I felt pretty bad hitting people from WAY further away than the visuals indicated. Otherwise yeah, I'm just numb to the constant nerfs lol

[light night]

bubble nerf was completely unnecessary

i don't think ive ever heard anyone complain about it once

[visual acorn]

I have yet to bubble someone in my time playing since this patch

The bubble nerf makes bubbling practically impossible unless you string 10 moves at once before they hit you

Which almost never happens

[visual acorn]

I have had only 1 maybe 2 successful bubbles in like 20 games

I used to get at least one a game

don’t really understand their decision to do that

[river bay]

It's not like we can do anything with Bubble outside reading our opportunities

[left quest]

In 1s, bubble has interrupted so many kills of mine. Instead of launching them to their death, they just get auto-bubbled and get a second chance if I can’t out-time them

I’m happy with that nerf specifically. I assume it affects 2s a lot more though

Also if anyone doesn’t know, the enemy can’t bubble-float to their death at the top of the map, which also really sucks if you bubble them high in the air

[river bay]

When I bubble someone I use it as a cool down period to kinda focus in

[light night]

you used to though

i think they shadow fixed it or something

i used to bubble people off stage and ringout if they were close enough

[left quest]

Wow.. I missed out

[light night]

idk if it's a 2v2 thing but

it's a lot harder in 1s

[trim scaffold]

See it would be fine.

If it didn't take 5ever to fill up.

But Steven has like one move with more than one hit.

And his combo game got gutted in the system mechanics.

So he'll rarely fill up 5+ even in some of the best case scenarios.

This boi is less self-effective as the days go on.

[vague hollow]

Every patch I'm just reminded of that pre-launch interview.
"I think you'll enjoy playing Steven. 😉"

[trim scaffold]

😂

When the game dropped the character felt like butter no lie.

So he's pretty on the nose if you think about it.

[trail spoke]

how can y’all even play steven

can only approach with nair

and kill with up air or bomb

[left quest]

Playing like that only gets you so far. Good opponents will learn to get around that and either win or force Steven to change how he plays

[hollow locust]

this character is nerfed ?

how ?

still feels like the broken character pre patch

carried

and annoying

[trim scaffold]

Yes

[trim scaffold]

Remember how he had good damage output?

They took that out.

Unless you hand like fully charged Nair, but good luck with that.

[trim scaffold]

That's because they didn't want to patch the annoying stuff.

Don't ask why.

[pine rain]

Poopy steven

[granite beacon]

I'm trying out some other characters, not cause he's bad, just kinda boring now

neutered bubble shield, reduced shield bounce combos, longest combo is prob just his jab now, just incredibly linear all around

been having fun with marvin, feels like i have to use every tool in his kit in a unique way for each situation while stevens answer is camping or pressing sair :/

[pale flume]

They killed him

But it gives me the perfect excuse to play how I want to

He's horrible again. So I can play dirty and be fine

[granite beacon]

i dont even think he's horrible, just hope after like 3 rounds of nerfs people will be satisfied

but they wont

next season im hoping for more of a steven rework but i doubt it will happen

they need to buff his grounded tools and tone down his aerials

[pale flume]

They'll try to get him nerfed just bc they hate su

[granite beacon]

half that and half people not knowing about the character

that morty youtuber thinks stevens top 5 cause of melon

people want even more whiff on nair, any more whiff and it'll be like the second laggiest move on whiff besides jason sleeping bag

they want the melon to die in one hit as you spawn it in

they just dont want him to be a character

[pale flume]

Multiversus players are mostly a bunch of kids who are used to spamming in mk so theyre using that knowledge here

[granite beacon]

yea a lot of people dont wanna have discussions or work on counterplay to tools

they just wanna complain and nerf whatever they dont like into the ground

seen multiple people advocate for nerfing jason

people wanted more lebron nerfs for gods sake its too much

[pale flume]

Pick the easiest character, spam one or maybe two moves that make a true combo, complain any time they face a character with a high skill cieling until they suck

Thankfully half of Stevens hitboxes dont actually work so they have nothing to worry about

[granite beacon]

ngl the "spam one or two moves thing to make a true combo thing" rings very true for steven as nair and shield slide were two of his best and only reasonable combo starters xD

but we cant spam shield surf as well anymore so now its mostly just nair

which makes us more likely to spam it making the problem worse

he needs a rework desperately

[pale flume]

Thats like saying you're addicted to breathing because you have to do it all the time to exist

As I said. The more they nerf Steven, the worse we have to play

We have to abuse everything we can to keep up

But mvs players cant physically think like that

All they see is Stevens winning and say he's broken [they havent played him in ranked, 1v1, or in general]

[granite beacon]

thats the problem there was no reason to not use those moves because those two moves were the only way to start combos, we are literally forced to play scummy to do well which is why i really want steven to be changed

i just want him to be engaging to play again

[visual acorn]

only enjoyable part of his kit now is predicting techs for jab combo but almost every character can do that

[pale flume]

Tech seems to be working against me

Unless ive already got someone in the shield box

[granite beacon]

you still grinding 1's with steven?

soon as i hit master 1 with em i just stopped lol

[visual acorn]

i slowed down since uni started

its getting harder to enjoy stevens playstyle

[granite beacon]

good to know im not alone with that

[pale flume]

Oh, yeah, his playstyle is basically wait

And the

Uh

Yeah, just wait lmao

[visual acorn]

i might just play enough to squeeze into top 100 by end of the season

[granite beacon]

i'm gonna try to do that but by leveling other chars up since i think that counts towards it

i mean ranking up

[visual acorn]

i know teching is just experimental and a good long term introduction but this patch is gonna be real rough for some characters

i cant think of any other character hit worse by teching than steven

[granite beacon]

can we tech chase with anything after a nair dair?

maybe charging a full nair again?

[visual acorn]

idk about full

its honestly better to just angle yourself a lot closer to the ground in the combo so you can dodge side attack to start the combo again

thats all ive been successful with so far

still waiting for the shield surf kick to spike again 😢

please pfg its all i want

[granite beacon]

https://outplayed.tv/multiversus/dVMVBJ me too 😔

[pale flume]

Ok, yeah. The Steven strat is to just straight up camp

Just wait

Lmao

If you approach the enemy you are at a massive disadvantage

Even with tether

Except for ww as always

Since she is viable in every sitution and can dodge every attack

No whiff does that ig

[river bay]

It reminds me so much of the Beta. god Beta steven was a thing

[hidden mauve]

Grounded Steven isn't that bad

Depends

[river bay]

If you have the patience, he isn't but like. Most of his ground buttons are short and stubby, they also come out kinda slow

[river bay]

The funny thing is post patch he still thinks Steven is S

[granite beacon]

he prob thinks that cause Steven does good into morty but he's being biased imo

watermelon can just tank his gun and thats his best combo starter so a really scummy steven player can just camp the whole match

but like he has put steven in top 3 multiple times which is wild

[vague hollow]

Can't believe people think Steven is the most downplayed character. 💀

[visual acorn]

imma make a watermelon steven matchup tier list

cuz funny enough watermelon steven goes crazy in some matchups

[trim scaffold]

That oppisite is the case with Tether.

Your opponent it at risk for trying to punish you.

It's part of what makes that move BS.

[trim scaffold]

We don't gotta talk about it.

[pine rain]

Yall late lmfao

I BEEN swapped mains

if you played beta then you should of saw this coming since day 1

Steven was going to get nerfed to the ground

[iron remnant]

losing rose stacks when an enemy attacks a side b shield is nutty

[trim scaffold]

Yeah I admit it.

I should not have gotten my hopes up.

That was on me.

I got complacent because our nerfs stopped popping up every patch.

But they were simply a matter of when instead of if.

[vague hollow]

I'll never forget the patch in beta where Steven got a ton of buffs. He started to feel like a normal character on the roster. ^-^

Very next patch, almost everything was reverted, plus extra nerfs. It was a depressing time.

[trim scaffold]

TBH I did.

They buffed Fair kill power in beta tho.

I would pull up some screens, but the Steven server had all of it's old channels just kinda vanish, and the beta patch notes website seems to be wiped clean when the game dropped.

[slate carbon]

they did bc they originally wanted steven to kill horizontally

while he had up special, dair, and up air

[granite beacon]

So gang, what’s getting nerfed next month?

[slate carbon]

Nair again

[granite beacon]

Safe bet

Ima say they’re gonna nerf up airs range

[vague hollow]

Probably Sair's KB. It may be smaller now, but the biggest complaint about it is how far it launches.

[trim scaffold]

Either up-air or neutral-b.

They've been basically untouched since the game's came out while being fairly strong tools, especially for closing out stocks.

[river bay]

Didn't Up Air get some changes

[trim scaffold]

Yeah.

He lost 1 frame of sweetspot.

Didn't make too much of a difference.

It's sourspot is only sour is name only. Up-airs a strong move regardless of what hitbox you land.

[neon bison]

Just started to try Steven. How can I hold bubble in 2s for my ally? i neutral dodge and the bubble lasts a split second. But I see other Steven's holding it

[granite beacon]

just gotta hold the dodge button not press it

[neon bison]

Ah Oops. I bound neutral dodge to B and was trying to hold it. Doesn't work but rt works. Thanks ✌️

[frigid verge]

Scum

[granite beacon]

ok but the real question is, out of all the other character chats you typed scum into where does Steven rank on the scum scale?

[river bay]

Better question who TF do ya play to say this?

[granite beacon]

true, honestly every character in this game is scummy in some form

[vague hollow]

Fr fr. Everyone has a little scumminess to them. 😌

[frigid verge]

Nah Steven is different type of scum

[granite beacon]

but where on the scum scale

[frigid verge]

Like 10

[granite beacon]

worse than arya?

[frigid verge]

Up there with black Adam and arya

[granite beacon]

interesting

something to do with his nair im assuming?

[frigid verge]

His entire kit

His forward air is broken asf

[granite beacon]

forward air yes, entire kit? no

if you convince me any of stevens grounded normals are scummy i will be impressed

his scum revolves around his aerial game

oh yea you didnt answer who you play

[frigid verge]

I play Rick

[granite beacon]

well as long as you acknowledge your character is scummy too

[river bay]

IM SORRY... YOUR SAYING OUR GROUNDED MOVES ARE SCUMMY WHEN YOU PLAY RICK!

[vague hollow]

Not grounded moves, his "entire kit"

Ngl they're probably talking about the arials and specials.

[twilit wadi]

buff Steven

[granite beacon]

Rework Steven

[frigid verge]

How is Rick scummy

[granite beacon]

how much time ya got?

someone in the rick chat said and i quote "rick is so bad now, i can only get 48 damage combos now" like that isnt close to half a stock

flying meeseeks is a combo tool

rick going giant is scummy in itself

rick does not have a single bad move

best recovery in the game if portals not on cooldown and if it is flying meeseeks and skis will get the job done

i could go on

[frigid verge]

What all of Rick’s moves are not good

What Rick move is good

Flying meeskeks is the only one

[granite beacon]

jab is still good for starters dont say its not

[frigid verge]

Skiis suck rn

[frigid verge]

His jab has the most end lag in the game tied with ring giant and it’s super slow now try again

[granite beacon]

up special is still crazy powerful

[frigid verge]

His up special is not even a top 10 up kill move but try again

[granite beacon]

so we just cappin now ok

[frigid verge]

Bro up special is all right at best

[granite beacon]

i thought you wanted a discussion my b

[frigid verge]

It’s not crazy good

[frigid verge]

I do but ur straight lying saying that all of Rick’s moves are good

U can barely whiff punish ppl anymore with Rick

Rick has a bottom 3 jab now

Even garnet jab is faster than ricks

[granite beacon]

ok so is rick up special a bad move

[frigid verge]

No it’s an alr move

[granite beacon]

ok then thats fine

sair and dair?

im not saying all of ricks moves are top 10 moves, im saying they all have decent utility and a use

[frigid verge]

Yah u basically saying his mid

He’s not scummy at all

Before patch yah when his jab was too 3

[granite beacon]

no hes good what?

rick is very good

[frigid verge]

Rick is not a tier anymore

What about Rick is good bro

Tell me

He can’t approach anymore

[granite beacon]

mages tend to not excel at that

blaster is a great zoning tool for example, he still has his combo game too its just harder now

i've seen rick players do incredible things most of them that werent jab spam bots were genually impressive

[frigid verge]

Bro he can’t approach at all

Blaster is move that Menes to be charged and is easily predictable

[granite beacon]

with the dodge ground jab is still solid. running meeseeks forces a response from the enemy

rick feels like he is just pretty solid at everything while not excelling crazily in a specific niche

do i think hes broken? no, is he bad? def not

[frigid verge]

He’s b tier

[granite beacon]

who else is in that b tier

[frigid verge]

Stripe Marvin

Maybe lebron

[granite beacon]

these are like close to the bottom 5 characters

[frigid verge]

But Rick is def not A tier

[granite beacon]

gimme some A tier examples

[frigid verge]

Harley

Bugs

Bannana guard could be in both

Super man is in A

Taz

Shaggy

Garnet is in b

[granite beacon]

yea those takes are pretty normal and valid so i know you aint crazy

i think your downplayin man i think rick belongs with them in A

i know we mostly talkin 1s rn but think of the twos utility the portals and the polymorph can do

[frigid verge]

U can’t tell me 3 reasons why Rick should be in a tier

[granite beacon]

i mean i can but you wont agree lol

[frigid verge]

But they actually have to be good reasons why bro

Telling me dair is good is crazy

[granite beacon]

it wasnt before but it got buffed to be at least decent now

its range used to be a joke but its decent now

i just dont think rick is a bottom 10 character which is what it sounds like you are claiming

heck marvin and lebron are around the bottom 5 range, do you think rick should be around there?

or your B tier is incredibly short and your A tier is incredibly large

[frigid verge]

Bro Rick is most def a bottom 10 character now

Who do u think is worse than him?

Yah they made dair an alr move now

Still not an approach tool

[granite beacon]

looking at the roster i would put rick smack dab in the middle around like 14th or 15th out of 29 so a little above bottom 10

[frigid verge]

Who is Rick better than list them plz

[granite beacon]

i can tell this convo aint gonna end well lol aight one sec

[frigid verge]

I’m waiting

[granite beacon]

not ordered just listed, garnet, jake, jason, lebron, marvin,stripe, velma (i know whatever infinite nonsense she got is gonna be gone soon) , smith, reindog, and Banana guard for sure, i'd argue rick would be around, harley supes and bugs so maybe a little lower than what i initially said, around 17th to 18th.

[frigid verge]

Smith is better than Rick

Lebron could be debatable and so can Jason

[granite beacon]

i think smiths gameplan is a little linear and he has less tools in neutral, say ricks aproaches are bad all ya want but he still has good zoning tools

[frigid verge]

What Zoning tools does he have

[granite beacon]

blaster, and grounded meeseeks, those are two solid ways of controlling space, which can be enhanced by morph.

portal enhances these options as well

blaster can be predictable but it forces a response, a jump a dodge, it forces them to choose an option

[frigid verge]

Yah but it’s also easily punished and needs to be charged up

Morph and portal have extremely long cooldowns

[granite beacon]

i dont think you would use blaster at a range where it would be punished

it would be used across the stage

its not a close range tool obviously but one for zoning

portal you have to use wisely i'll give you that but its utility is still there, morph is crazy even with its cooldown, becoming giant as well as potentially making your opponent unable to fight back is so valuable

[frigid verge]

It has counter play

[granite beacon]

morph cant be reflected right?

[frigid verge]

It’s not jsut a guaranteed thing

No but still u have to be in it

[granite beacon]

hitting your enemy with it is tough but hitting yourself with it aint that bad imo

as long as your not throwing it out mid scrap

getting your opponent offstage gets you the buff for free

the counterplay is hitting rick within one second of using the move away from its radius

[frigid verge]

Yah ok

[granite beacon]

anyways its late but the long and short, i dont think ricks broken, but he does have scum ,every character in this game has some sort of scum, some more than others, even the worst characters in the game have scum

[frigid verge]

What’s ur point there’s still counter play

[granite beacon]

i've stated my point, we are not going to convince eachother that are views are right lets be real lol, just call me stupid or something and i'll head to bed xD

[frigid verge]

Yah ig I jsut wish ur point were better tho

[granite beacon]

My point is he has scum, your point is he doesn’t that’s it

Gn

[distant yew]

Nerf

[light night]

ngl if we're complaining about steven still after the nerfs we might need to get better

not a bad character by all means but yall are acting like he's beta bugs bunny

[distant yew]

Bla bla bla

Downplaying

Nerf

[light night]

🪤

🤖

[distant yew]

Its not bait its just u that dont see ur character is broken

[light night]

lol

[visual acorn]

Multiversus devs should revert Steven’s nair back to a projectile

I wanna do 40 damage in one move again

Now I actually have to navigate in neutral 😡

[vague hollow]

Damn... Discussion is boring today. 😔

[pine rain]

Yea rick is 100% not broken

Of course he has his cheese but literally 90% of the cast does

Also rick has to actually use his brain

Every other character can just push one button like shaggy or wonder women and instantly get a boost

While rick has to time portals and create combos on the spot

[dawn ruin]

God Steven’s air attacks are annoying

[vague hollow]

Yeah. Boy desperately needs a rework.

[granite beacon]

This was the exact point I was arguing for, glad we agree

[vague hollow]

Honestly, you crushed that discussion. And you didn't even get to the deeper nuances of Rick's moveset.

[granite beacon]

ty homie

[vague hollow]

Np. 😎

[granite beacon]

also i love how in 90% of character chats whenever someone talks crap about a character theres a whole argument but when someone talks crap about steven its just "yea we know hes stupid" lol

[vague hollow]

Lol yeah

Some people just don't wanna admit their character is bad out of pride. Others don't want to admit their character is good out of the desire for buffs.

We just suffer lmao

[frigid verge]

He’s still a broken as characters

[frigid verge]

I’m saying bro was trying to argue dair

[vague hollow]

what

[granite beacon]

"Yah they made dair an alr move now" your own words

i aint doin this two days in a row

im pullin out my secret weapon

the agree to disagree card

[vague hollow]

Y'know, I fought a Steven today, and I've gotta say...

Losing to him is actually such a massive skill issue. The kid is SO EASY to kill. 💀

(I lost)

[distant yew]

Steven has actual no counter play its insane

[trim scaffold]

Gotta say Steven mains are probably complaining about him more than people fighting him.

[distant yew]

I cant wait for him to get nerfed

[trim scaffold]

Imma keep it a buck das just a not great MU.

Dude barely has to touch the ground, and if he doesn't get hit by dirt then he lives to 130.

And bro barely has to care about grenades.

One fair and they're not a problem.

[vague hollow]

Lol

[distant yew]

@light night u acting like he isnt top 4 or smth

[vague hollow]

Who's top 5

[distant yew]

Idk

[vague hollow]

Oof

[river bay]

That's cause what happened in the beta is happening again where the character constantly got nerfs

[indigo walrus]

^ PFG getting rid of all of Steven's sauce

[vague hollow]

Oh yeah! Everybody keeps saying "wAtCh! ThEy'Re GoNnA nErF sTeVeN!" like- That's not news. 😭

[distant yew]

Hope so

If ur sauce is camp and use n air u better change it

[slate carbon]

you say that like morty sauce isnt just spam side special into up air

[distant yew]

At least there are Mortys that actually play rush down and do some cool set ups, Steven mains play the exact same

[slate carbon]

idk every morty ive seen just plays like they're scared to play

and interact with their opponent

[distant yew]

So u should find me

[hidden mauve]

I thought he was good because he could cancel the portal over and over again, launching him slightly forward allowing a for high damage combos

I'm not a big fan of fighting Steven as steven

[hidden mauve]

I think I met you in a FFA

[frigid verge]

Rick is not good… the portal cancel is not even consistent

[granite beacon]

Ye I play a lot of ffa to grind the event points

[vague hollow]

I just grinded in rifts. Pretty peaceful ngl.

[frigid verge]

Scum

[river bay]

MF we ain't scum if a good 90 percent of our kit suckd

[frigid verge]

Nice rage bait

All of ur aerials are goated

But nice try tho

[distant yew]

Insane downplay

[trim scaffold]

Brother man.
That's the exact opposite of the sauce.

Notice how Nair wasn't directly nerfed last patch.

[light night]

elaborate

lmk

[hollow locust]

nair sair

nair sair

nair sair

nair sair

congratz ur master

[distant yew]

Me when i am in a downplaying competition but my opponent is a Steven Main: 😱😱😫😦😦😰😰

[frigid verge]

Nair is good sair is a top 5 sair in the game

Up air kills early asf

[light night]

is every aerial in the room with us

[frigid verge]

Ooooh me to

[distant yew]

Uh?

[light night]

nair and sair is a good move doesn't mean his 6 other aerials are close to broken

air down b got nerfed a decent amount

those 3 are the main ones i use

[distant yew]

Nair and Sair broken, Up air pretty good for kills, Down air good, Up air b pretty good for kills, Sair b is shield wich is a good move,
Down B is ok

So buddy Steven is S tier sorry

[light night]

🧱

[frigid verge]

Steven is broken asf we haven’t even talked about watermelon Steven at all yet to

[neon bison]

Who is a top 2s steven I can watch on twitch or yt?

[slate carbon]

who are you maining to think Watermelon steven is an insane part of steven's kit

and honestly i would love for stevens aerials to get nerfed if he got better grounded moves in return

stevens mostly spam aerials bc theres no reason for you to try attacking on the ground

your groundeds are all garbage except for maybe jab

[granite beacon]

this server needs like a seperate character venting channel for everyone, just checked some of the other chats and its just full of people complaining and arguing with eachother

[visual acorn]

average fgc discourse unfortunately

[slate carbon]

the jason server has a chat like that

[granite beacon]

smart lads

[slate carbon]

speaking of channels beetlejuice still doesnt have a character thread

[granite beacon]

not surprised anymore tbh lol

feels like the community's imploding in on itself

a lot of people dont seem to be having fun with the game yet still play it anyway

[slate carbon]

thats not unusual

[granite beacon]

guess thats true, my friends that play league of legends play yet seem to never enjoy themselves

[slate carbon]

dead by daylight

[granite beacon]

also he plays Rick

[slate carbon]

zoners when the character designed to counter zoners counters zoners:

[frigid verge]

I main Rick but tbf Rick is in a bad state rn

[slate carbon]

also steven is SUPER anti zoner, so rick would have a bad time against steven regardless

[frigid verge]

I mean before u could at least put up a fair fight now it’s just a one sided brawl bc Rick lost his only good approach tool

[light night]

alr bro

you're trying too hard

[slate carbon]

can you actually explain whats up with the watermelon who watches you get looped

[frigid verge]

How it’s true

[slate carbon]

can you explain how its true, bc in my experience as steven WS either dies instantly or watches me get caught in a combo

[frigid verge]

Bro the mf dodges attacks it Messes up ur camera and sacrifices itself at times

Survives a couple off attacks as well

[light night]

half the time ws dies within 30 seconds and when was the last time it's hit you

[frigid verge]

And the cooldown isn’t long to

[light night]

not even 30 seconds

[vague hollow]

Genuinely hilarious arguments

[light night]

ws is good for absorbing grabs

[frigid verge]

Well like I said I play Rick so there’s a lot of problems with him to begin with

[slate carbon]

ok the camera thing i can get

[light night]

rick and steven is just a bad matchup icl

[frigid verge]

Yah ik

So that might jsut be it

Watermelon is jsut a universal jsut top 3 hated move by the whole community

[slate carbon]

yeah steven i think in general just ruins all the mages days

[frigid verge]

Yah I think it’s just the match up

[slate carbon]

idk how when he at most eats grabs and projectiles

[frigid verge]

Only Steven’s mains don’t recognize how annoying that move is

[slate carbon]

bc we see WS the most so we remember all the times hes just done nothing and dont see it

[light night]

half the time one running attack knocks ws out

[frigid verge]

Ahh makes sense

I can agree to disagree bc u actually have some good points

But besides yall two the rest or scum🙏🏾

[slate carbon]

like ive watched him just stare at me as im in superman jab (one he can very easily save me from) more times than i can count

[light night]

the camera thing is just the bad design ws has

[slate carbon]

*camera has

[frigid verge]

Bro I be mid combo and the little mf will jsut hit me

Getting jumped in mvs is crazy ngl

[slate carbon]

also i think its just the way hes coded as a mini steven who only neutral groundeds

since in beta he'd bug out sometimes and do down tilt, sair, nair, etc.

[light night]

putting steven in top 3 though is crazy work but he doesn't suck as a character

[slate carbon]

yeah hes pretty good just bc of how much this game can be played in the air and how overtuned his aerials all are

[light night]

i just wish they actually care about his grounded attacks

[slate carbon]

id take aerial nerfs for grounded buffs

[light night]

i don't remember seeing a grounded change besides running attack

[slate carbon]

but they arent gonna listen to the stevens and just nerf his aerials and thats the end of it

[light night]

unfortunately

[vague hollow]

God, yeah. I think we've been saying we want better grounded and worse arials to balance since beta, but it's just been waves of nerfs after nerfs.

[heady needle]

Is there a Steven server?

[slate carbon]

yeah but its bugged and new members cant see anything

the server changed owners a few times

[heady needle]

Oh…lame. That’s a shame because I wanted to learn more and there’s nothing on YouTube 😦

[slate carbon]

ill be honest

the server is about as dead as this channel

[heady needle]

Lmao and yet the Garnet server is rockin

[slate carbon]

but that may be bc new members cant enter

[heady needle]

So unfair

I just wanna complain that they keep nerfin mah boi because kids complain about non broken things

[hidden mauve]

Down attack can catch harley, batman, and jokers slide attacks

[slate carbon]

yeah, if you time it perfectly since all those moves are really fast

and are all dc characters so the hitbox is probably massive

[frigid verge]

Steven is top 5 character and u can argue top 7 if u really want

[vague hollow]

I'd take top 7, but he has WAY too many issues to be top 5.

[distant yew]

Who are the 6 charactera better than him

Not trying to argue btw

Just want to hear ur opinion

[slate carbon]

joker is def one of them

[vague hollow]

Ngl it's hard to say. I don't usually rank the characters myself.

It's mostly just that some of the characters with the best kits, combos, or individual moves have very little drawbacks. Especially compared to Steven. I'll never downplay his arials, they 100% need nerfs, but I can't imagine Steven being the best with JUST arials when he dies early, his shields are destroyed easily, and combos are scarce.

Sorry that took so long to type. I went on a long yap about combos lol

[heady needle]

Steven needs buffs not nerfs. 😼

[river bay]

I was gonna say I'm not downplaying him at all. Watermelon is kinda dumb and on the off chance he does something it doesn't really help

[granite beacon]

I'll meet in the middle, Melons not broken or bad, he's not really going to do much meaningful damage to you but is great at soaking up projectile attacks like batarang, arya knife, mortys blaster and more.

[vague hollow]

Agreed. I thought he was trash, but eating projectiles can be super useful.

[distant yew]

Never

[granite beacon]

im a firm beilever in melon and the big melon perk, bounce bubbles taken a big hit since you can only be bounced once or twice below a shield now so 5% or melon might be the way to go

i feel people complain about melon more about the camera change tho than melon itself sometimes xD

i also think that when Steven gets nerfed again it still wont be enough for people to stop hating him, which is why i think the character itself needs reworking. Steven players are not having as much fun anymore and nobody likes fighting Steven so we need some big changes here.

but nairs probably just gonna get nerfed or something and they'll call it a day xD

[slate carbon]

or they'll somehow decide to nerf jab or something

[granite beacon]

we've said it a million times, nerf are air game and give us an actual ground game

[heady needle]

You can buff the ground game without nerfing the air

People complain about nair because there’s no better option

It’s the main combo starter and they still have the dumb dair dair lockout

[granite beacon]

true its mostly just nair and sair spam cause thats whats optimal, but i think in return for some grounded buffs some aerial nerfs would be warranted, i do think steven has like top 3 best overall aerials in the game

but he prob has a bottom 3 ground game overall, its very lopsided

i feel if they buff his grounded tools but leave the aerials as is people would still gravitate to spamming nair and sair

[heady needle]

True. They just need to make his jab 1 a tad longer and jab 2 have slightly more stun.

Idk how they would fix aerials though. I think less damage for more stun would be somewhat of a solution.

So the combo routes can vary starting with up air and dair vs. always being nair

[granite beacon]

shield surf is a great combo starter still, i feel if up air started more combos his juggle game would be too good, dair maybe? honestly i would just be happy with lowering the aerials damage while giving his grounded tools utility

[river bay]

Uair has a sweet spot so that is designed as a kill move

[granite beacon]

yea a kill move that combos would be too strong

[distant yew]

Noo??

Just actual nerfs

Like no buff

Just nerf his air tools

[frigid verge]

🦖

[river bay]

He needs buffs if they nerf his air tools

[distant yew]

No he doesnt????

Are you crazy

His air tools are broken

If they nerf it and make it actually fair

Its not going to be an issue

If at least Nair was punishable, i would be kinda fine with him

[river bay]

What we mean by buffs is make him better on the ground

Since he doesn't reallf have any ground game

[dusk yoke]

See with nair it’s now in a state where characters like Finn or Joker with fast long jabs are pretty much the only safe way to punish Steven nair now

If you’re a Jake player you gotta do a perfectly timed fully charged side air

Which is hard considering if something hits Jake’s fist it counts as hitting him

[hidden mauve]

I played him in beta mostly

Should excuse for being a Steven player (I play beeteljuice now)

[dusk yoke]

Cool

Yeah I consider those who played Finn since day 1 beta like me get a pass

I mean like twitch drop one week early day one

Did the twitch drop bought Finn immediately

Been a Finn main since day 1

[vague hollow]

Yeah, Steven and Finn have been my go-to since beta! It's kinda funny, when MVS came out, I was going through a phase where I was interested in ANYTHING Jeremy Shada voiced in lmao

Guess it worked out considering Steven's model and voice in beta were so rough... I played A LOT of Finn back then.

[pine rain]

Ngl

Steven needs a full on rework

They should of used teen steven too

This character when from skilled/technical in beta to being a slow nair/dair spammer

I already gave up and swap to rick but still

This is just sad

[trim scaffold]

We can't say that.

That might scare some people off.

This doesn't happen in Marvel 3.

This doesn't happen in Skullgirls.

This kinda happens in DBFZ, but no where near to this extent.

It's more like average Smash discourse.

[trim scaffold]

Joker, Shaggy, Arya, Gizmo, Iron Giant, Batman.

Heck I could go a lil further
WW down-b is still good, just not ridculous anymore.

Taz & Stripe have been cooking up as of recent.

And Beetlejuice is looking to be pretty strong.

But that's only in 1s.

In 2s Steven's probably still redonkulous cause as long as that passive exists he'll never not have something extremely powerful.

Forgot Black Adam for the 1s characters. He's still pretty cracked.

[trim scaffold]

He's already 14 tho.
Steven used to have combos with his dodge shield since it had collision, but auto teching would get rid of that.

He also used to have ping pong combos with his platforms created but auto teching hit those pretty hard as well.

Shield surf used to setup into some lengthy extensions, but....
You see where this is going right.

[river bay]

I was gonna say when we refer to Older Steven we call him Future Steven since he was already 13 when the show started

[slate carbon]

Well kid Steven may be 13-14 but he has the body and mind of a 12 year old

Teen Steven is both physically and mentally 16-17

[hidden mauve]

It feels like most of his moveset is inspired by him

[pine rain]

yea

they used teens stevens moves

and gave it to normal steven

and also gave him a weird lazer beam thing that he never does in the show

and the power to swap water melons???

he never spawns them he can only bring it to life

[slate carbon]

who's to say he doesnt have some random watermelon seeds in his pocket

also who cares about watermelon just showing up nonsensically, its a neat reference and at least represents something he's actually done unlike neutral special

neutral special shouldve been like a command grab that applies a stack of rose and throws upward

he like grabs people with his bubble, and the hitbox gives shields to allies who are in it

[frigid verge]

Rick is worse 😭🙏🏾

[pine rain]

look bro us rick mains trying rn

[pine rain]

he doesnt

he spits on the grounds

[pine rain]

i mean

i dont mind it

but like

atleast have melon steven do something cool

but eh

but i think steven needs something to make him a character

cause rn

shes a spammer

hes

idk why i said she lol

[slate carbon]

he needs an actual ground moveset, all his grounded moves are super slow and stubby, especially when compared to his aerials

like put armor on dtilt

[trim scaffold]

Calling Future Steven mentally 16 feels kinda generous given how childish you'd have to be to unironically ask a minor to marry you before she's even done with college.

[slate carbon]

you have to remember all the stuff steven was going through and how little of the world he knows about lmao

[trim scaffold]

But that's just me.

[slate carbon]

i bet steven didnt even know you prob shouldnt marry until your an adult

and he took ruby and sapphire's advice

[trim scaffold]

Basic common sense becomes way less common when you grew up in a van.

[slate carbon]

more like secluded beachfront property surrounded by gay space women

[trim scaffold]

This takes me back to how people call Cell Saga Gohan Teen Gohan.

But he's like...
eleven

[trim scaffold]

He actually licks his hand first. Which is where I believe the melon seed is.

[slate carbon]

yeah he licks his hand then slaps the ground

[trim scaffold]

I get the idea here to beat armor, but armor crush charged Nair low diffs those guys.

Every Steven should always have a set with it.

Side Note: I can't recall what that's referencing could you remind me real quick?

[pine rain]

to be fair

steven hasnt had real communication with kids his age

other then a few randoms

so he probably has no idea on how the world works

[trim scaffold]

It's not expected of him to know better.
I just don't think very mature because he doesn't know any better.

Steven's the type of dude to shout at people for just mentioning his mom being evil for the 3.56 × 10^6 time.

Poor dude TBH.

[slate carbon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8uddMhifSk
at about 1:50 here
or the fact steven/gems in general can bubble stuff

[trim scaffold]

The fact that Steven named an abuse victim after an object that's regulary tossed & beat around will never cease to make me chuckle.

Hindsight be 20/20
In the moment it "made sense"

[slate carbon]

wait who again

[trim scaffold]

Volleyball

[slate carbon]

oh yeah

[hidden mauve]

I mean corn comes from grass

[granite beacon]

Steven Quartz Cutiepie Demayo Diamond Universe

[vague hollow]

PREACH 🗣️🔊🔊🔊🔥🔥🔥

[timid mango]

If Steven gets nerfed again I’m quitting this game unless he get some buff that make him great again or they give me Movie Steven

[vague hollow]

There are three variants I'm waiting for that I'll be blowing all my gleamium on. So I'll be hanging on for a little while. Lol

[river bay]

I wonder if they end up using future steven they turn him pink if they make like a separate movie skin

[vague hollow]

I just won a fight even though my teammate DC'd. Truly another victory for Steven and his friends. 🔥🔥🔥

[copper blade]

hear me out i have an idea

''let's make a character that can charge a move that hits all around him while moving''

Your main is absolutely braindead it's crazy

[slate carbon]

if they're charging nair and moving towards you then it should just be a very easy dodge read into punishing the super whifflag the move has on miss

[frigid verge]

Scum

[slate carbon]

unless they're doing uncharged nair which is pretty fast but you could probably read that too

steven has to get pretty close to do good damage most of the time, besides fully charged nair but thats very telegraphed and easy to spot

[copper blade]

stripe has no range tho

[slate carbon]

well its still telegraphed so you can dodge it and punish

[copper blade]

''dodge it and punish it''

i guess you can do this and 3 stock anybody without getting hit

[trim scaffold]

Instead you have the auto tracking almost unlimited range borderline unreactable projectile that turns almost any melee hit into a potential kill confirm.

Truly dark days for Stripe mains everywhere.

[distant yew]

Why is this character even in The game

N air should be deleted

[light night]

👶

[pine rain]

Nah fr he cant even do that move yet in the show it makes no sense 😭

[copper blade]

🧢🧢🧢

You can dodge gun

[distant yew]

Wanna see u do that after the 100 Steven nerfs

In season 3

[vague hollow]

Steven is nerfed every other patch. That'd be nothing new. 😭

[distant yew]

Thank god he is

Hope n air gets uselles

[vague hollow]

Yup. Hope Nair gets nerfed.

[distant yew]

Watermelon steven cooldown should not reset when steven dies

[vague hollow]

If there's one variant you'd all want in the game, what would it be? Could be from the show, or your own original idea based off of crossover variants.

Leaked variant I'm hoping to see soon: ||I'm personally waiting for Steven Tag variants. I'll buy them whether they're voiced or not.||

[frigid verge]

Scum

[trim scaffold]

He does it in the movie actually
Counterpoint it's fun to use. 🙂

[trim scaffold]

You can dodge Steven nair too, and that move is even more telegraphed.

Didn't stop you from getting nair spammed to death.

[trim scaffold]

Just kill the Melon after he dies, and it won't reset.

[vague hollow]

WS should apply stacks of Rose's gaze fr fr
It'd be funny

[river bay]

It doesn't. It only resets after Watermelon Steven dies first then Steven dies. So if you kill watermelon Steven after Steven he can't use it

[distant yew]

Nerf steven

[vague hollow]

Rework Steven

[light night]

rework > nerf

[frigid verge]

Scum

[tidal swift]

My body is a machine that turns 2 hours of lab into spamming nair

[vague hollow]

Real

[pine rain]

Ok

Ik peiple say this alot

But steven legit needs a full on rework

When he actually isnt getting nerfed every patch hes one of the best characters in the game

And now their slowly going to keep nerfing him until hes unplayable like beta velma

[vague hollow]

Tbh I've been looking into his frame data, and how much damage his moves do, and a lot of the common beliefs are straight up lies. It's wild. 💀

I'm kinda on the fence between a rework, or just a couple nerfs and several buffs now.

[hollow locust]

man can we get a proper nerf on this character oh my god

like legit is there any reason why u can pick steven and use nair and sair only for the entire match and still get to masters

so broken

[vague hollow]

Nair is easy to punish, and Sair has a much smaller hit box now. If a Steven reaches anything beyond gold with them, they're either insanely good at the game, or playing bots.

[hollow locust]

wow then can u explain why every master steven i fought does nair and sair all the time if they're bad

" easy to punish "

" much smaller hit box now "

NERF this character

[vague hollow]

Putting something in quotes doesn't make it untrue

Nice try tho

[hollow locust]

????

[hollow locust]

nice answer

[vague hollow]

I was talking about these.

[hollow locust]

that's what u said

and i asked u a question

u didn't even answer

great job

[vague hollow]

Alright fine. My answer is: Proof?

[hollow locust]

so u want me to record u a game in masters against steven to show u how they're spamming nair and sair just to prove to u that they're broken

[vague hollow]

You're good at putting words in people's mouths

[hollow locust]

u legit just said proof?

what does proof? means

[vague hollow]

It means that I'd like to take your claim seriously, but unless I see it happening, I have a hard time believing it. So, it'd just be nice to see this happening if you would like me to believe you. Otherwise, we can end the conversation.

[hollow locust]

so basically

u said i'm good at putting words in people's mouths

i asked u what proof means

[hollow locust]

u legit said the same thing

great conversation with a steven main

LOL

[vague hollow]

You worded it in a way that implies bad faith. I don't intend anything negative. Just trying to help really.

And if you being up the "putting words in people's mouth" comment, you're right, that was inflammatory. My apologies.

[tidal swift]

because that's optimal

is like complaining why harley does sair

[hollow locust]

because that's broken and that's why it's currently optimal
do not mix between optimal and broken

[tidal swift]

Broken and optimal

i love playing steven

nair nair nair

[vague hollow]

Too bad a frame 16 Sair that deals 11 damage and has slightly above average KB is considered broken.

And a Nair that deals 16 damage IF fully charged, AND hits the sweet spot. A move that comes out frame 13 uncharged.

I'm seeing A LOT of characters that need nerfs in that case.

[river bay]

HOLY COW FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE WHO ACTUALLY LOOKS THROUGH THE LOOK THROUGH ALL THE HIT BOXES

[vague hollow]

What everyone was saying sounded ridiculous, so I had to. And yeah, it's all exaggerated asf. 💀

[river bay]

I did that before the patch since I've seen people complain about getting hit when they shouldn't have and I'm just like yeah no you getting hit there make sense since you had a hurtbox out that got hit

[river bay]

Like most of the hitboxes in this game aren't to to crazy its mostly hurtbox shifting and latency

[vague hollow]

Yeah! And the amount of times I've seen a character get hit because their body was stretched out, and the next frame they do the hit animation and it LOOKS LIKE they were too far away to get hit is ridiculous. 🫠

It's like that DK dodge roll VS Pikachu clip, if you've seen it.

[river bay]

I know what your talking about the was about to bring up smash, it's like your trying to hit someone that seems close enough but your not hitting cause the hurtbox is postioned in wah

[distant yew]

No n air isnt, not reading the rest

[distant yew]

A nair that has a hitbox that hits everywhere around steven

Great range

Great dmg

Super spammable

Steven needs nerfs

A lot of them

And not a lot of buffs

[river bay]

Like what?

[heady needle]

Steven being nerfed is how we got to this point though. They nerfed aerial down special and dair dair is still locked out.

Nair is the most optimal approach tool and the only combo starter. Even then it’s not that great because nair, dair, up air isn’t a thing anymore with the bounce tech. Which means we only have nair dair or nair up air, which is what 23 dmg or something?

Meanwhile you got peeps like Harley and Shaggy who can 0td or get 40+ damage in a combo.

[slate carbon]

if you fully charge it, which is really easy to spot and dodge

[distant yew]

Womp womp

Nerf

Again

[river bay]

So was if we basically nerf all of mortys moves to the point you could only use fire as your only good move

[distant yew]

Uh

Nair should and needs to be nerfed

Idk whats ur point

[slate carbon]

nair should be nerfed but he should have buffs to his ground kit

[distant yew]

Buff what?

Jab?

[slate carbon]

down tilt

neutral attack

maybe jab or up attack hitboxes

[distant yew]

Ok

[slate carbon]

also his rose stacks are worthless now

[distant yew]

Why

[slate carbon]

bc one hit and they're all gone

its literally taz tasty but without taz's multhits that make that status effect possible to work

[distant yew]

It should stay the same tbh

[slate carbon]

as it is now?

[distant yew]

The effect yes

It still good

[slate carbon]

no it shouldnt, get hit once and you get 9 stacks near instantly gone

steven doesnt have the combo game to get the 10 stacks it needs

[distant yew]

Why??

Isnt Steven already S tier

[slate carbon]

maybe in 2s

[distant yew]

Why buff smth that freezes the opponent

[distant yew]

He is also in 1s pretty sure

[slate carbon]

idk how when he has only his aerials and they all have double digit start up frames

[distant yew]

So ur saying his aerials are bad

Lol

[slate carbon]

no

im saying they arent nearly as good and instant as everyone says

[distant yew]

Bro the start up on it doesnt change nothing

Absolutely nothing

[slate carbon]

nair comes out frame 13

and its his fastest aerial

[distant yew]

When basically every move in the game also has double digit start up

[distant yew]

Ohh my god thats too much!!!!!

Oh no way

😰😰😰

[slate carbon]

DC

[distant yew]

?

DC

?

Do u mean dont care or DC characters

Cuz a character being S tier doesnt change the fact Steven also is

[distant yew]

Whats the skull emoji for? Tell me where i said smth wrong

[slate carbon]

DC characters

[distant yew]

Dirt from Morty has 43 start up frames and its still a pretty strong move

[vague hollow]

Sorry you've already been proven wrong a million times. All I can do now is sit back and laugh at your takes. They're pretty hilarious. 🃏

[distant yew]

And its on the ground

Steven n air

Is 16 frames

Oh no

13

And its on the air

Hits at all directions

🤷‍♂️

[vague hollow]

You're complaining about an uncharged move with zero momentum that doesn't deal much damage.

Womp womp get better lol

[distant yew]

Wow thats insane downplay

[vague hollow]

Lol

[distant yew]

You know u can charge it and realese the n air key anytime

[distant yew]

Right?

[vague hollow]

Exactly. So why complain about 13 frames?

I don't know if you know this, but it can't be fully charged in 13 frames.

[distant yew]

Bruh i feel like i am talking with a wall

[slate carbon]

steven has to be pretty much inside of you to hit it uncharged
it only has the insane range you claim when its charged

[distant yew]

U just dont try to understand ur character is op

[vague hollow]

Awww, now you get how we feel. 🥰

[distant yew]

I really dont care

Like really

He is getting nerfed anyways

What u guys gonna do? Cry abt it and say u need to enter the move cuz its super bad and stuff

Come on give me a break

At least i know Morty does need nerfs

Idk abt you guys cuz u treat Steven like its ur child ur smth

Just accept he is broken jeez

[slate carbon]

im just not entirely sure how a character who's only real good moves are his aerials is S tier

like he has really good aerials

no doubt about that

[vague hollow]

He'll get nerfed, you'll complain about your skill issue more... Looking forward to it. 🥱

[slate carbon]

but i feel like S tiers would have just a real good everything?

[distant yew]

Morty in season 1 was S tier

[slate carbon]

his best grounded move is jab and thats pretty stubby

[distant yew]

And his kit wasnt so good at the air

It was pretty ok

Doesnt change the fact he was S tier

[distant yew]

Oh no you said "Skill Issue" ohh so sad

[slate carbon]

i just hope when they do nerf is aerials they give his grounded moves a few buffs in return

so theres more incentive for steven to be on the ground

[distant yew]

What an argument

[slate carbon]

bc as long as they refuse to touch his grounded moves, his aerials are gonna be the only thing used

unless they somehow make his aerials worse than his grounded moves

[distant yew]

Dude he can still be an air character, but make the air tools not broken

As they are right now

[slate carbon]

ik im fine with his aerials being nerfed, i just hope he gets his grounded moves buffed, bc if they dont then steven still is gonna have nair sair spam

itll just be less effective

and people will still complain that stevens spam nair sair and nothing will change

[distant yew]

So he can both spam nair and have also ground options

?

Just rework this character man idk

[slate carbon]

yk what yeah

but they're never gonna do that

theres a LOT of charcters who need reworks more who arent gonna get them

[heady needle]

Saying Steven needs a rework is fine. Just saying to nerf him though is low effort. Really dumb culture of nerfing we have today

Switch to buff culture. More broken things means more fun!!!

[vague hollow]

Hell yeah! Let's make Steven Nair ACTUALLY deal 20 damage, and make it fully charge in 13 frames! 🗣️🔊🔊🔥🔥🔥

[heady needle]

Yes!!!!!! Give me back my dair dair loops and bounce tech. And add big fat shields do his jab so it’s the same range as Jack’s foot

[vague hollow]

Give ALL of Steven's moves armor NOW. 😤

Bubble armor so it doesn't go away in one hit. 😎

[heady needle]

You can bubble shield you, your ally, AND the enemy. BALANCE

[vague hollow]

Now you're getting somewhere! Canon Steven moment. 😏

[distant yew]

Only nerfs could work for Steven

[vague hollow]

Buff everyone. More fun! 🔥🔥🔥

[trim scaffold]

Simple
People don't know how to punish it.
It's all he has

He doesn't have many good neutral tools, or disjoints to hit people with.
So regardless of how good either move is then they're still going to use those movs.

Granted he has projectiles but they're all on cooldowns.

His only other combo starter without setup is dair which is tiny & slow, and jab which is tiny and best follow up is

you guessed it

Nair

When you only have 17 moves in total.
You're going to have to click the same few buttons over & over.

[trim scaffold]

Freeze is different.
It stuns the opponent and leaves them open to a follow up.
Anyone captured in a bubble will take 0 damage from anything until they're out of the bubble.

It's a bit of a QTE in you want to combo off it, but they can buffer a dodge which leaves you a pretty small window if you want a follow up.
Your best bet is to count to 5 and hope for the best be ready for the worst.

And their teammate can free them at any time.

It's more consistent use is letting your cooldowns recharge or setup platforms or melon uninterrupted.

[frigid verge]

Scum

[distant yew]

Its really unpunishable*

Let me fix it for you

[trim scaffold]

That's not true.

[distant yew]

It's very situational when you can punish him if he makes a mistake.

When using nair

[trim scaffold]

It's situational when you can punish nair when he doesn't make a mistake.

If you're having a hard time punishing it.

It's becaues they're doing something right.

After the Nair nerfs the move has about half a second of recovery when it is missed.

This is endlag is reduced whenever he hits an enemy.

So it's much harder to punish in those cases.

[distant yew]

Its getting nerfed again sadly

🤦‍♂️

100000 nerfs

🙏🙄

[stable pendant]

try playing garnet vs a decent steven

[distant yew]

Poor Garnet

[dusky raven]

hello im new to steven

how do i win

[distant yew]

Spam nair

[stable pendant]

which is why steven is getting nerfed

[vague hollow]

You'll want to use a lot of attacks in the air. Steven's grounded attacks aren't very strong. Neutral Air deals a decent amount of damage when fully charged, and Side Air can send people pretty far at high damage.

You'll also want to test Steven's abilities in the lab, see what he can do, and get used to his mechanics.

[coarse lodge]

Sair too

[merry zealot]

Dodge down tilt is so much fun to hit

[lethal parcel]

Grounded down is pretty good though. You can bait opponents into it if they happen to be running towards you, or it be used at the end of an air-to-ground combo. It also helps knock away the opponent to give you an opening to plant the watermelon.

[frigid verge]

Scum

[vague hollow]

I'll have to check that out! The things I know right now are that the move comes out frame 18 and is pretty small. And I think it just has a decent amount of KB? It's hard to imagine getting use of WS out of it. But I can check. ^-^

[vague hollow]

Alright, so. Looks like the KB isn't that good unless you fully charge it, which I don't see landing very often, but you could potentially get a WS if it ever does. You just have a short time to choose your next move before your opponent rushes back toward you. Not impossible, but could take some learning.

[stable pendant]

r stevens hitboxes bugged

[vague hollow]

feels like every character's are

[frigid verge]

Scum

[granite beacon]

honestly im just kinda impressed at his dedication to calling characters scum

[frigid verge]

I’m dedicated to my craft

[neon bison]

Any good 2s Steven's I can watch on twitch?

[heady needle]

no because we're all nair sair bots

[frigid verge]

🗣️

Scum

[merry zealot]

Who’s we 🤨

[distant yew]

All Steven mains

There is no way u dont spam nair

[river bay]

I play grounded mostly.

[frigid verge]

Than ur late like70 percent of ur matches

[merry zealot]

There is, by using other moves

[trail spoke]

dudes playing steven on the ground 💀

[frigid verge]

Scum

[dusk yoke]

Why in the world do you just come here to hate lmao

[pine rain]

Scum

[dusk yoke]

W PFP

[pine rain]

ty 🔥

[dusk yoke]

Once PPG are here season 3 im switching it to Lapis4MVS

lol

[pine rain]

W

lapis is probably going to be a background character like amathist

[dusk yoke]

I hope not

[vague hollow]

I think I want Pearl the most, but I'll really be happy with any fighter. ^-^

Even ||Hessonite!|| (Spoilers so I don't accidentally will another BG situation into existence)

[stable pendant]

Amethyst is better

[vague hollow]

Tbh Garnet Amethyst and Pearl are equal to me. I love them all. ^-^

[merry zealot]

Out of all the crystal gems I’d want in it’d go like this:

Amethyst
Connie & Lion
Bismuth
Peridot
Lapis
Pearl

And the crazy thing is, I LIKE pearl. Like a lot

But there are just so many good characters

They’re all close thirds to Connie and Connie is a close second to amethyst

[vague hollow]

I really hope that if/when they add Connie, they make it Connie and Lion. That'd be really cool. ^-^

[merry zealot]

I agree, cause Lion would just make her so much more interesting instead of just another sword fighter

[river bay]

Bismuth would be cool actually.

[merry zealot]

I Imagine she could do something along the lines of buffing teamates weapons

[vague hollow]

I was thinking of her moves from Unleash The Light, and I had a cursed thought...

Make her Steve Minecraft. She can mine the ground and forge buffs depending on what she picked up. 😭

[stable pendant]

amethyst

[wide epoch]

What are the best perks for Steven?

[trim scaffold]

#1245145064372572200 message

This is still mostly true.

But after the ground bounce nerfs Collateral is way less appealing, but Last Stand still continues to be cracked.

If you're really struggling with armor you can try 2 fast to block.
I like to have it on my anti-armor sets in case of emergencies, but Steven's dash attack is pretty slow, pretty stubby, pretty laggy, and pretty mid.
It kills better than D-tilt with more range & active frames so it's not completely outclassed in terms of punishing armor.
It tends to have comparable range or less than most armored attacks in the game often trading instead of beating unless you use it preemptively.
It's a bit of a sketchy answer.

[frigid verge]

Scum

[frigid verge]

What choice do I have

[dusk yoke]

Just don’t hate this often lmao

[trail spoke]

who do you main?

like you can’t be losing to steven this much

[frigid verge]

Wym Steven is easily a top tier

And I play Rick

[frigid verge]

If I don’t than who will

[trail spoke]

rip that’ll do it

[frigid verge]

Yah he’s in a bad spot rn

[stable pendant]

really?

[dusk yoke]

lol

[trim scaffold]

Adapt
Cope
Git Gud

Lots of options really.

[stable pendant]

hes like actually so good this is bull

[frigid verge]

Yah

[frigid verge]

Says who how is he good

[stable pendant]

hes got that combo with the portal

[frigid verge]

That’s what every top tier abuser says

[stable pendant]

insane attacks

he can become massive

[frigid verge]

What’s insane attacks

[stable pendant]

what isnt

he can fly

and u have to respect it

[frigid verge]

lol I’m convinced u haven’t played Rick at all

[trim scaffold]

You played Rick last patch I don't wanna hear it.

[frigid verge]

He wasn’t even top 10

[trim scaffold]

Sure.

Whatever you say

[stable pendant]

Steven isnt either tho

[frigid verge]

No one who made a tierlist put him at top 10 so

[frigid verge]

Yes he was stop lying

[trim scaffold]

He's allowed to say Rick isn't top 10.
But when Steven players say it. 🙄

Double Standards SMH.

You can't have anything in the MVS community.

[frigid verge]

The first video I pull up will be saying that he’s broken

[trim scaffold]

Anyone can go on YT and complain for 10 minutes.

That's how you beat the algorithm.

Doesn't make em correct.

As Rick once said

"Think for yourselves, Don't be sheep"

[frigid verge]

I have proof of the whole community saying that he’s broken

I thought for myself

[trim scaffold]

Meow's part of the community.