Rick Sanchez

[dark jetty]

Even after this

[indigo otter]

I'm definitely dropping Rick... I hate playing setups

[celest wren]

Yah it’s not even crazy to say that

Rick has became a camp to win character

[dark jetty]

I still like rick still very fun

But yeah hes a camp char

Id like golf club meeseeks to be bettrr

[indigo otter]

Tracker was updated to include ranked, and numbers seem correct (judging by the uses)... Rick is bottom 2 in ranked, Beetlejuice bottom 1

45.6% and 45.5% winrate, respectively

[celest wren]

Yah Rick mains are struggling rn

The only ppl who don’t agree are silver and gold ricks

[polar lava]

Hello guys I'm working on a YouTube video and basically I'm trying to figure as each community what you think is the best and worst skin is for your character

[haughty shale]

mech suit rick is my favourite one

icon director is also cool

[bold jungle]

Rick is still good but man thus jab 1 and jab 3 crap hurts

Also am i the only one that thinks rocket is worse

Devs said its more consistent but my rocket misses 99% of the time now

Do i have to charge rocket now for it to actually hit?

Cause before i could just button mash

Now have to time jab 1 + press jab 2 + charge jab 3

[toxic quiver]

let me know if you find something that doesn't seem correct

[celest wren]

What about Rick is good

[bold jungle]

Polymoth

Teleport and set ups

I mean its the reason you pick rick

If you dont like those then probably pick up a better mage lmfao

[celest wren]

Yah bro don’t ever speak again

Idk how those moves make Rick good but ok

[trail pond]

bro is the number one complainer 😭

[celest wren]

I’m jsut keeping real😭🙏🏾

[bold jungle]

Like bro

[celest wren]

Wym u don’t know what ur talking about

[untold flame]

This is rage bait

[bold jungle]

What are you mad about

[bold jungle]

Bro is the king of yapping

I just answered your question and you mad at me now lmfao

[untold flame]

Bro just wants you to say Rick is bottom 1 so he can feel better

[bold jungle]

If you think ricks porta setups and polymorth sucks when why are you still playing him 🔥

[celest wren]

Didn’t say they sucked they don’t make the character good by itself

[untold flame]

You do realize those moves both give Rick 50% kill confirms against like all of the cast

[celest wren]

No he doesn’t stop the cap

[indigo otter]

Rick is actually bottom 2 right now, according to Tracker (which was updated to include ranked data)

You guys need to stop pretending it's fine

[celest wren]

Yah these ppl are in bronze tryna tell the number 1 Rick that he’s wrong about how bad he is

It’s insane

[untold flame]

Tracker is not a good way to rank how good a character is. According to tracker jack is bottom 3 gizmo is bottom 6 and Finn is bottom 8

Yet everyone says these are characters good

Using win rate as a metric for how good a character is kinda stupid honestly bc going by your metric Velma is a top tier

[indigo otter]

winrate/pickrate

and that's to give us an idea of how the character is performing

I'm not surprised with Gizmo and Jack being where they are after the nerfs

nor Velma because of the buffs

what's kinda stupid is pretending the character is in a good state when he's not

[celest wren]

Yall all swear The patch made Rick better and some of yall can’t even win a set

[dark jetty]

The Jab Touches dont really affect 2s that most so he feels the same to me in 2s

The Jab changes in 1 is a diff story its like u gotta plan to use jab and u get punished if u whiff

U bascailly js use to punish most ricks in 1s are js being passive

And spamming lazer and meeseeks

And now people are js jetski spammers as well and now spam his fair

I dont think rick is as bad as others might seem but he js feels awkward to play and its not looking good for him rn

[bold jungle]

Track isnt correct

Half of the multiversus crap on there is outdated so be carful

Pinged the wrong person lmfao

[dark jetty]

Oh yeah that too track isnt correct at all

[bold jungle]

This^

He 100% feels Akward to play now

I have to know how and when to jab now

While everyone else in the game can just jab

[untold flame]

Best way to say it. Everyone who is saying he’s bad now is coping

[indigo otter]

some people are just delusional...

whatever, keep pretending Rick's winrate is higher than 45.6%

[celest wren]

Since none of are masters with Rick ur opinion is really
Invalid

As the number 1 Rick u can’t whiff punish ppl anymore and when u do try they jsut whiff punish u

Rick’s jab is slower than iron giant and has much end lag as his jab as well

[trail pond]

thats crazy

[celest wren]

Ik

I was in the lab jsut figuring stuff out

U can’t explain why ricks jab as a much endlag as the biggest character in the game

[bold jungle]

fr

[bold jungle]

bruh im not going to grind all day

most of us have a life

and no one is trying to argue with you lmfao

i think most of us agree rick is good but his jab nerf was too much

[toxic quiver]

im fixing it step by step but i don't think the insights are completely wrong atm

[dark jetty]

Good luck on that i think its pretty cool ngl

But in general hes js awkward to play

But i still will play him cause i enjoy him

[untold flame]

Are you able to include average match length that would be a cool stat

[toxic quiver]

it might be possible

[heady ore]

Is anyone else having trouble with audio in match for Rick? I don’t know what happened but it’s been like a week for me already, assuming is it’s bug

[indigo otter]

just throwing out there, but another very interesting data would be average damage KO

[toxic quiver]

per ko?

i think the most that can be done is total match damage divided by ringouts

is that what you mean

[bold jungle]

How do you guys even collect data

[toxic quiver]

the same way the game does

hit the internal apis

[indigo otter]

would it be possible to make it so it shows data only for the current patch?

like Tracker does give the option to see Ranked/Unranked, 1s/2s... Would be very nice to be able to see Current Patch/General

[toxic quiver]

it's last 7 days though

im not sure if we can detect the patches automatically

[indigo otter]

I didn't know it was 7 days... that's great info... thanks

[runic bluff]

Did you watch the video in the link?

Yes it does

Not at all

[toxic quiver]

it says that on the top of the page now

for some time actually

[runic bluff]

https://x.com/WulfSite/status/1828772364215370081?t=VbMzxfKcPpQS2AONuwD79g&s=19
An example how Rick can be played now. He's just not simple anymore, put in the practice and it'll pay off.

You absolutely don't need to camp

[indigo otter]

are you implying he was simple before?

[runic bluff]

Yes

He was jab the character

I was the one who pushed that. With the looping Polymorph kill confirms

[indigo otter]

Rick is bottom 2 now for a reason... You can pretend he's good all you want

[runic bluff]

If you learn IAD flying meseeks you have a strong burst option that can extend into large and varied combos

[indigo otter]

he lost more than half his players

[runic bluff]

If you're going to base everything off a tracker then I ain't changing your mind

Watch the stuff I post if you don't believe me.

Otherwise I'll agree to disagree

[indigo otter]

you won't change my mind even without tracker... everyone thinks Rick feels awkward to play

[runic bluff]

I can tell you with confidence and as one of the best Ricks in the game, a lot of the top Ricks are adjusting to his new gameplan

Flying meseeks opens a LOT

[indigo otter]

sure, so have a character that less than 1% of the community can get results from

[runic bluff]

And? If you can't make him work don't play. He is better then before in a lot of ways. Im always gonna be pushing Ricks meta. If he was bad you better belive I'd be talking about it.

[nocturne crow]

God this community is something

I'm bad at this character so it must be the characters fault right?

I can't spam jab anymore character is awful

I'll say his jab felt awkward at first and he's definitely weaker now but he's not bad at all

He's only weaker now because his jab carried him that much

Everything else in his kit has gotten better

Jesus and I HATE using stupid stats as a way of determining if a character is good, THAT is the reason some games have HORRIBLE balancing

(looking at Overwatch)

Agree to disagree but stop this pointless debate on Rick being bad in here, this has been a problem since the update and it's just irritating to ever look here

[indigo otter]

you're in a Rick chat telling people to don't debate about Rick??? Move along dude

[nocturne crow]

You seriously think people who enjoy Rick want people saying their character is bad when they don't have anything to actually back them up

When they're SHOWN evidence of Rick still being viable

And it being shrugged

[indigo otter]

says the guy who chose to ignore DATA, STATISTIC

[nocturne crow]

I'm sorry I know you're stubborn but you don't have to be clueless too

[indigo otter]

"show evidence"

fk off

[nocturne crow]

Data and statistics do not determine a character's meta unless it's a competitive setting

[indigo otter]

how is it not a competitive setting?

[nocturne crow]

You seriously think everybody who plays Rick is actually a master at him

[indigo otter]

I don't

quite the opposite

I'm saying that Rick shouldn't be balanced for only the top 1%

[nocturne crow]

Why would he be balanced towards the top 1% the only thing that really nerfed him was his jab?

[indigo otter]

and if most everyone feels Rick is bad, an opinion backed by data and statistics, it's not 3 people saying that Rick is better than before that is gonna change my mind

[nocturne crow]

Who is everyone fr because it's always been a split of people saying he's good and bad even when his jab was broken

[indigo otter]

not split... you'll see the same people trying to defend him

just scroll up and see

[nocturne crow]

You think every Rick main wants to argue with you?

Most top players probably don't even want to look in this discord because the community can be that awful to their character

[indigo otter]

dude, if you don't want to see a discussion about Rick you're in the wrong place

[nocturne crow]

You are seriously dodging my point

[indigo otter]

I'm not

but now I will

blocked

[nocturne crow]

Oh ok that's when you know they're one of those

My point was that this argument never leads anywhere and is never a good environment to be talking in, other chats have people asking for help, what to do in MUs, but this chat has been constant bickering on Rick being good or bad

And the fact they think blocking me is what'll prove their point further pushes my point

How many times will this argument be had

[runic bluff]

Don't bother

[nocturne crow]

Yeah

[inner leaf]

what’s the general consensus on rick since his changes?

[indigo otter]

personally I hate how they changed him from a combo-based character into a setup character

that's how I feel

[runic bluff]

More combo routes and kill power with stronger projectiles. He's the character that forces you to approach then punish. Flying meseeks is the glue to his new routes with more hitstun.
Overall I consider him stronger once you adapt to his new gameplan

[runic bluff]

Prime examples
https://x.com/WulfSite/status/1826051192117694507?t=JoD1dP9jXZSbawsUqN2IMw&s=19

[celest wren]

Bro played a horrible Lebron and thinks that’s how Rick is gonnna be played against high tier characters

[celest wren]

Don’t listen tho wulf bro half the combos they found aren’t even true that’s why bro has a 20 percent current win rate half the time

They buffed his combo route while making it harder for him to start combos and saying that they buffed his combo route is being generous

[runic bluff]

You again?

Dude is a certified hater

[runic bluff]

Repent is a really good bron. You don't know what you're talking about

[nocturne crow]

Jab abusers showing their true colours

One got banned and now more are appearing

[runic bluff]

Anyone who talks about tracker stats is just gonna get ignored. Waste of time trying to convince them

Like flat earthers lol

[indigo otter]

"anyone who talks about statistics is like flat earthers"... funny comparison from someone ignoring data

...

[indigo otter]

basically you'll see 3-4 people defending current Rick and the rest upset

[runic bluff]

Smh hilarious

Yall don't need any new tech or info then 👋🏽

Ahh the block button hit different

[untold flame]

You got more tech? Can you send

[bitter blade]

I like him

He was too jab reliant before

[runic bluff]

I'll still send it here. Just gonna block the Muppets. They can stay miserable

[untold flame]

W move honestly lmao. They can stay in their echo chamber

[nocturne crow]

Fr

Best choice now to ignore them and continue the regular talk

[runic bluff]

No reason to rob other Ricks of help and advice because a couple of people have nothing better to do then whine

[inner leaf]

might have to start labbing him!

[inner leaf]

tbh i trust wulf more than anyone in this discord

[runic bluff]

💗

[celest wren]

Why

Bro thinks blocking everyone who doesn’t agree with it helps his case

[nocturne crow]

That's not what he's blocking for lmfao

Jesus how far do you people have to go

[nocturne crow]

Good choice

[celest wren]

That’s what he literally blocking ppl for

[white stag]

Those who don't agree with people who study the game, aren't people.

[indigo otter]

Rick has been bottom 2 for a week, but who am I to say he's bad after the changes

[celest wren]

There’s a difference between studying the game and actually being good at it

[white stag]

True

[celest wren]

When ur the number one Rick and bro has a 20% win rate why would I listen to u

[dark jetty]

Some people are reaching

Not saying u are a reacher

[celest wren]

Nah he aint bottom to

[dark jetty]

Im js saying others think that he got gutted entirely

[celest wren]

Bc he did

[dark jetty]

He didnt get gutted its js his jab 1 is awful

[celest wren]

His jab made him an a tier character

[dark jetty]

Wasnt he always a A tier char

Ive never seen rick higher

Then A

[indigo otter]

Personally I also think the Sair nerf was totally uncalled for

[dark jetty]

The sair nerf wasnt needed

I have a feeling there gonna nerf his aerial meeseeks and jet skis soon

And if they do ima be really upset abt that

[indigo otter]

skis are awful, wth

almost 2 seconds to even startup

and it's active for only a short time

[dark jetty]

His skis arent awful they lead into his sair combo

[indigo otter]

as a hitbox

[dark jetty]

Into jab

Idk if its nerfed to where

U cant do that combo anymore

[indigo otter]

it can be used midrange, I guess

[dark jetty]

But before u could easily do that combo and rack up 40 or 45 percent

[indigo otter]

but it takes so long to become a hitbox

[dark jetty]

If it had less start up it js be shaggy side special 2.0

[indigo otter]

true

that's why I think they shouldn't have nerfed Sair

[dark jetty]

Anf im.not tryna uave that move get nerfed

[indigo otter]

it's pretty much his only air option most of the times

[dark jetty]

His seed still rocks

[indigo otter]

if the enemy is above you, sure

[dark jetty]

I feel like its gotten strong or sum

Been killing early alot with that

[indigo otter]

now charging seed has more kb

[dark jetty]

His whip perk isnt the same anymore cause of the tech changes

So u can js do

Cant*

Charged whip

Into ur portal combos anymore i think

And if u can im aussming its harder td now

[untold flame]

wulf sight has done some cool things with whip perk

[indigo otter]

you kinda can, but you won't get much from it anymore

[dark jetty]

Ive tried it

Ive only dome it 3 times

The rest were js failures

Out like 17 attempts

[indigo otter]

He even has a 0td if you time it right
https://youtu.be/RUZ7r888vNM

[inner leaf]

because he’s good at the character, is a lab rat, and often uses his finds in games

[dark jetty]

Honestly its not looking good

If they make it to where his jab 1 is acc useable

[indigo otter]

what makes you think we don't do lab?

[dark jetty]

But the hitbox was nerfed

It be pleasent

[celest wren]

Doesn’t mean anything if u can’t win games

[indigo otter]

Before changes, Rick could do crazy true combos up to 97... but no, he's better now

https://youtu.be/sP8YkdC0IW0

[celest wren]

That’s what I’m trying to tell them

[indigo otter]

I'm not saying 97 damage combos are healthy for the game, but hey, Joker still has 0td and is also a mage

so...

I'd rather have something this complex having high reward than an easy 4 moves killer combo (in terms of game health)

[celest wren]

Yah I agree

If they game him another approach tool it would have been fine

[dark jetty]

Will hes pratically

The perfect char in tge game

Does wtv u want and does everything u can ask for

Let hin get gutted

And then make rick better

[celest wren]

Yah the fact that joker didn’t get nerfed is crazy

[dark jetty]

Same with Ba

By the time season 3 starts

I expect him to get nerfed or gutted

Same with BA but he should be more nerfed then gutted

[celest wren]

Black Adam is the most underrated character I swear

It’s bc not enough ppl play him

[dark jetty]

😭😭😭

[celest wren]

Am I wrong

[untold flame]

yea

[celest wren]

How am I wrong

[untold flame]

he is played like pretty averagely

[celest wren]

Ok buddy

[civic cloud]

facts bro like I can’t hit a tom and jerry that blatantly misses dash attack with jab 1 but the joker can hit me from behind with his? This game genuinely hurts my soul which is why I stopped playing I really don’t know why i even hopped on today

[civic cloud]

well better for certain people he feels way worse to me, my winrate went wayyyyy down and I didn’t suddenly get worse at the game

[indigo otter]

I was being sarcastic... he's not better now! xD

[celest wren]

Yah I’m the number 1 rick and I’m suddenly can’t beat plat jasons anymore

[indigo otter]

careful tho, the opinion police can read us

[untold flame]

any ricks want to 1v1

[celest wren]

Ppl don’t understand that not being able Whiff punish basics attacks

[celest wren]

Ik im so scared to getting blocked

[indigo otter]

knocks on wood

[celest wren]

I am the one who knocks

[inner leaf]

you’re crying over the character for starters

[inner leaf]

doesn’t he win?

[celest wren]

No he doesn’t lol

[celest wren]

He’s not crying he jsut stated a fact about the character and everyone else jsut won’t accept it

[inner leaf]

learn the difference between fact and opinion bud

[celest wren]

Wym Rick got worse that’s a fact lil bro

Rick has a lower win rate than before that’s a a fact

[indigo otter]

???? you asked what was the consensus, I gave you my opinion and you call it crying? wtf dude

next time you try the character instead of asking ffs

[indigo otter]

also his pickrate dropped to less than half what it was

I wonder why

[celest wren]

And ppl will say that he’s better than before 🙏🏾

[untold flame]

because hes less of a carried character now

[indigo otter]

"carried"... the character had the most complex combos in the game and he thinks people played Rick because of jab

he wasn't even A tier ffs

[inner leaf]

LMFAO

bro has no clue what he’s talking about

[untold flame]

he still has the most complex combos, he is not reliant on jab only for combos

[untold flame]

also this is crazy

if you want to play a character who is a jab bot play joker or something

[indigo otter]

I was Rick #27... I really must not know what I'm talking about

fk off

[inner leaf]

when i asked for consensus on the character i was hoping actual people would answer and not no-name larry and his sidekick crybaby kyle

[indigo otter]

no, you wanted to read what you wanted to read

and it was not the case

but whatever

play the character and see how good he is

[inner leaf]

“i played a degenerate amount of mvs and think that at means my opinion matters”*

ftfy

[untold flame]

general consensus, after playing him more i think hes not better bc of ground bounce changes but hes not worse because they buffed other moves

i honestly think hes like the same placement as pre patch

[untold flame]

imma be real bro if you hit #27 you should adapt to the changes fine

stop playing him like you were before and just adapt to the changes

[celest wren]

How is he not worse jsut cuz u buff other moves don’t make u better

[untold flame]

yeah hes not better

hes the same

[celest wren]

Bro he’s not the same his jab is his best combo starters and it’s a bottom 3 jab

[inner leaf]

lmao tell me you’re carried by old jab without telling me..

[celest wren]

I’m convinced some of yall don’t know the game

[celest wren]

How that’s was his only approach took why wouldn’t I use it

[inner leaf]

W bait

done taking you seriously

[untold flame]

me when the other moves got buffed to compensate for the jab nerf

[celest wren]

Yall genuinely don’t know how fighting game works and it’s scary

[celest wren]

Making dair an ok move and adding an extension of flying meeseks doesn’t compensate for the nerf

His jab was his only whiff punish and approach tool now that they nerfed what are u supposed to punish ppl with and what are u supposed to approach with

[untold flame]

his jab still whiff punishes fine

also dair, sair meseeks laser

[celest wren]

My it’s to slow

[untold flame]

literally anything u can punish with

[celest wren]

Bro said u can whiff punish with dair

Yah ur trolling

[inner leaf]

you’re lecturing about fighting games in a multiversus discord server. lol. tone deaf asf

tell me the exact frames on rick’s jab right now

[celest wren]

Idk but it’s slow asf

[celest wren]

I’m not even lecturing fr

[untold flame]

you can especially on ppl spamming jabs

[celest wren]

Nah u can’t who can u whiff punish their jab with

[inner leaf]

womp womp so your fallacy about “real fighting games” falls apart right there

[untold flame]

any persons jab who doesnt hit up

i dont even think its the jab nerf that hurt rick bad its the ground bounces

[celest wren]

How

[inner leaf]

what are the frames on rick’s jab

[indigo otter]

6

4 or 6, if I'm not mistaken

[celest wren]

Not true at all ppl like Batman u can’t whiff punish or Jason

[indigo otter]

but it's not just the jab, it's the sair too, his main air tool (unless the enemy is above you, obviously)

[untold flame]

with down air yes you can

[untold flame]

his sair is fine bro

i honestly dont even notice the sair nerfs half the time

[celest wren]

Why would u be doing down air on Jason’s jab

[untold flame]

bc im whiff punishing him lmao

[celest wren]

I doubt it they added 4 frames jsut this patch

[indigo otter]

yeah! that's what I was trying to remember

they added 4 frames

[celest wren]

No jason is doing jab when ur in the air lol

How is that gonna work

[indigo otter]

"On-hit general cancel window delayed 6 frames" for sair

[untold flame]

u jump while his doing it lmao

u have to bait the attack first to whiff punish it

yet i dont know how fighting games work

[untold flame]

you can still cancel sair into jab if you hit the angle right

[indigo otter]

what pisses me off is that the jab doesn't connect to anything midcombo anymore

[celest wren]

Dair is way to slow to whiff punish thag lol

[untold flame]

no its not

[celest wren]

If u show me a clip of that happening I will believe u lol

[indigo otter]

you can't even do a Dair, Sair, Jab anymore

Jab won't connect

[celest wren]

Yah they messed up his combo game

[indigo otter]

can't jab out of Sair

[celest wren]

In fact play me as Rick and I’ll be Jason and I want u to do what u just said

[untold flame]

sure whats ur user

[untold flame]

you can

you just have to hit the right angle on it

[indigo otter]

I'm literally in the lab right now trying this stuff

but fk it... it feels awful playing Rick... I'm just looking for another main now

[untold flame]

i just landed it in game lol

[untold flame]

play joker he has the best jab lol

[indigo otter]

idc about jab as a starter

I care about combos

I like playing combos

[untold flame]

arya has fun combos

same with black adam

[celest wren]

It depends character to character

[untold flame]

i think steven has high level combos but no one uses them

[untold flame]

u might need to chareg more on some characters

[celest wren]

I get off of work at 11

[untold flame]

what time zone are you

also bros at work talking in a mvs server lmao

[inner leaf]

try shaggy he has a good jab you need it lol

[celest wren]

I’m na east

[untold flame]

its alr 11 vro

[celest wren]

Huh

[untold flame]

est

its 11 pm

[celest wren]

It’s 10

[untold flame]

i think ur cst brotha

[celest wren]

Oh Idk why I thought u we’re talking about servers

[untold flame]

i should be on in an hour

not sure tho

[indigo otter]

didn't ask for you opinion

[runic bluff]

I don't know why yall are entertaining those clowns

[indigo otter]

people are having a conversation, and here you come insulting people

toxic af

[celest wren]

I’m saying yall the ones that insult ppl

Then they wanna block us smh

[runic bluff]

Tbh if anyone wants to find tech or anything Rick feel free to hit me up on twitter https://x.com/WulfSite?t=iaS0dhxPCQYP4srvW0sebg&s=09. Aside from that I have no reason to be in this cord. Don't need the negativity

[celest wren]

U ready

[indigo otter]

"don't need the negativity" says the guy who literally just came here annoyed because people are having a conversation and insulting them

[celest wren]

Bro came in and called us clowns than said were the toxic ones 😭🙏🏾

[untold flame]

ye

whats ur user

[celest wren]

My IGN is Diddyyking

[celest wren]

Wya

[celest wren]

It won’t let me join

[untold flame]

try again

[celest wren]

Invite again

[celest wren]

First to 3?

[celest wren]

What rank are u

[untold flame]

ok

[untold flame]

i think im only plat on rick

[celest wren]

Case proven

[untold flame]

Nah i just wasnt respecting armor when i shouldve

i played it worse all there is to it

[celest wren]

Like u could have done anything about

[celest wren]

But u got 3-0 twice bro

[untold flame]

i think armor is the hardest thing for me to deal with on rick

[celest wren]

Jab was easy to counter as Jason

[untold flame]

also

i had a feeling you were #1ragebaiter

[celest wren]

Yah doesn’t matter point proven about Rick

How what does my username have to do with anything

[untold flame]

diddy

[celest wren]

What does that mean

[untold flame]

🫢

[untold flame]

yo you should run your jason against my jake

[celest wren]

Ok I will

[untold flame]

you got a lobby or should i make one

[celest wren]

I’m in a game rn hold on

[untold flame]

aight

[celest wren]

I invited u

[untold flame]

send it again

how many

[nocturne crow]

Jesus even Wulf left and I was thinking about it

<@&882349260409032746> dude joined back on an alt, you can read back I cba with the chat anymore

[cloud echo]

?

[untold flame]

thx i need matchup practice

[celest wren]

No problem

[celest wren]

That’s a different person

[untold flame]

yeah i just looked they got different accounts

[bold jungle]

Using tracker is not good

[bold jungle]

I mean half of ricks only played him for jab lol

[civic cloud]

he literally still is i hate ppl who say this, every rick clip you see starts with jab he still relies on it, maybe once every 3 games you’ll hit raw flying meeseeks or some or every other game the opponent might decide to get with by a laser but other than that it’s jab bruh

[civic cloud]

I haven’t played for a week and nobody passed my placement on rick that’s how yk it’s not even about playtime

[inner leaf]

yes it is lmfao

nobody plays the character

[civic cloud]

that’s kinda what i said but yes nobody plays him anymore because he sucks. It is a joke that joker goes untouched but rick jab gets gutted

And he’s not that bad but why play rick when you can play joker?

rick is usable but rick can’t even convert of ground bounces consistently any more because of how slow jab is. If you jab trade with someone you’re getting cooked, Jab doesn’t even work half the damn time. I wouldn’t mind the jab nerf if everyone elses jab also got nerfed, but because it’s just rick, Rick’s jab is 4 frames slower than every other character who’s name isn’t iron giant. I mean I’m pretty sure shaggy side b has as much whiff RICK JAB bruh. that’s actually mental to me

lebron last patch felt better than current rick

[celest wren]

Every clip literally starts with jab it’s funny when they say this

[civic cloud]

literally, people just be saying stuff fr

[celest wren]

Why does Rick jab have the same amount of end lag as iron giants jab

[civic cloud]

it has the same amount of end lag as shaggy side b 😂😂

a move that kills at 100-130 btw

without being charged

[celest wren]

Yah who are saying that Rick is fine are literally in gold and plat

Like why is ricks jab slower than jason

They can’t explain that

And garnets to

[bold jungle]

Cause devs dont know how to nerf crap

They just just reworks ricks jab

Like give him a new jab animation without the lazer sword things

Make the hitbox smaller

And make it normal speed

[celest wren]

Yah idk why they did Ricks jab dirty like that when there’s 5 other jabs that get more value than his

[celest wren]

Jsut watched a video of all the hit boxes

Rick officially has the slowest jab in the game with the most endlag as well

[bold jungle]

Yikes

Devs need to revert this crap

Rick feels harder to use

Like i have to create the most crazy set up just to do some damage

While someone like harley doesnt even have to think

Also how tf was ricks jab a problem but not jokers???

[toxic quiver]

i think i got it working

the lowest is taz at 33 dmg/ko

highest is steven at 77 dmg/ko

rick at 57

[haughty shale]

is this accurate, because theres a bug with taz that shows much less damage in end game stats than he actually did in game

[toxic quiver]

i dont think i have any way of knowing

that's the data they provide

and it constantly seems like they dont know how to count, so...

for what it's worth, iron giant has 36

if that doesn't sound right, i might have screwed up the math a bit

[toxic quiver]

yeee took out some outliers

still, taz & iron giant both have 48 which seems ridiculously low

like the next one on the list is bugs with 70

rick at 91

steven at 111

doing math on 100,000+ matches is tricky

[indigo otter]

For IG it sounds right, but indeed some characters don't have their damage registered correctly

Some don't register projectiles

[toxic quiver]

lame

there's probably nothing i can do about it

[indigo otter]

Taz is knowingly one of them

[indigo otter]

I know some projectiles aren't counting either

towards total damage

[supple crest]

rick in a nutshell lmfao

[indigo otter]

now that I finished the pass, I'm just gonna take a break until they do something about these nerfs

[celest wren]

Yah I’ve taken a break from Rick to not even worth my mental health fr

All the Rick lovers still hasn’t explained to my why Rick has the slowest jab in the game

I’ve been waiting

[indigo otter]

the funny thing to me is that Rick's pickrate dropped to less than half what it was, so we can assume only Rick loyalists kept playing him, the most experienced, best of the best and all that... but he still has 46.2% winrate...

[celest wren]

Yah all the Rick enthusiasts are quiet when u drop straight facts

But they were calling us clowns

[indigo otter]

nah, they're deniers

they'll be here soon

[celest wren]

I’ve seen a lot of their win percentages and it’s not good

Like I didn’t jsut start losing to plat Jason’s bc Rick got buffed

[bold jungle]

I mean wasnt it obvious?

Casuals cried about it and devs did a horrible job trying to nerf it

Jab is still stupid huge but now its worse for the rick main too

So not only did they now even fix the flucking problem but they made it worse for the rick main

So no one is having fun

Im considering switching mains (temp) rn

[celest wren]

I thought it was obvious

I thought Rick mains were smarter than believing jsut bc there more more buffs than nerfs in a patch doesn’t automatically mean that Rick got better

Pfg didn’t fix the problem of Rick relying on jab

All they did was make hitting Jab less impactful and harder to do

Rick is truly a bottom 10 character

I’m also looking to switch mains rn

[bold jungle]

True

[dark jetty]

Am i 1 of the few in here whos still playing rick as like no temp main or switching mains completely

😭

[bitter blade]

I main rick

But I’m grinding Morty up rn

He received some sick combos

[celest wren]

Yah probably he’s un playable in 1s rn

[dark jetty]

Hes still pretty fun to play

But in 1s i get how u feel

IN 2s he js feels the same old rick to me

So im mostly on 2s with him

Tbh thats where hes acc playable and his jab isnt like a huge issue

1s bro its awkward as hell

[dark jetty]

Ngl this was a good buff

Ive been playin him a bit

And hes still pretty fun

[celest wren]

Yay still fun to play if u don’t mind losing half ur games in 1s simply bc his only approach tool sucks

[dark jetty]

Ive mainly been tryna be like passive aggersive

Only using his jabs for punishing whiffs or missed attempts

And js keeping my distance with meeseeks and lazer

Been using jet Skis Or His Fair to approach most of the time or his bad dash attack

[indigo otter]

and lost all the others --'

[dark jetty]

He does not have much ngl

But hopefully in the future they fix him up

Theres still potential for him to rise back up

Js time will tell

But i dont think hes not good to where hes js unviable in 1s still some things u can do

But hes js not worth playing in that enviroment UNLESS u really want to or u want a challegence

[indigo otter]

PFG is not in this chat xD

they definitely should keep an eye on character chats

to keep track of how people who main them feel about their characters

[dark jetty]

I feel like

They saw the rick chats and they saw how people felt abt there jab

They wanted to nerf it to where u cant js spam spam spam

But also wanted it to be fair to rick mains

To where its not gutted and its js still useable

But they pratically didnt do the move justice

They probably thought buffing rocket would make up for jab 1

[indigo otter]

to get to 3 we need to actually land 1 --'

[supple crest]

I'm glad to know I'm not bad and that its just (okay mostly) rick

Ive been grinding rank and I'm freaking stuck in gold 1

[celest wren]

Yah it’s not just u I’m the number 1 Rick and I’ve been struggling

[celest wren]

Yah idk what their idea was they didn’t fix Rick relying on jab but they made him have the slowest jab in the with the most end lag with no decent whiff punish tools

[supple crest]

I want to get rick to plat then finally go back to morty after they did the revert

[dark jetty]

Ngl bro the rocket buff

Didnt even do much

Rocket dosent even hit as much as i thought they would of fixed it

[celest wren]

Yah it’s didn’t do anything

Yah ppl still dodge all the time

[dark jetty]

Cause if rocket was acc good and people couldnt dodge

Id be okay with it

But it still isnt good

So they bascailly nerfed jab and said they fixed its issues

When really they didnt

[celest wren]

Yah but hopefully they revert some of his jab changes like they did to Harley and lebron

[dark jetty]

I honestly see they would do that

And if they do

Then id say thats a w buff

And hes acc viable again

But with a nerfed hitbox

Because his hitbox wouldnt be so long to where u pratically get hit by its range but u also fix the move so when u throw it out its fast enough

To not js get easily punished

Thats what they should of done from the start it gives rick mains and casuals fair treatment

But in this game they love to nerf more then to buff

So only time will tell but they better not nerf him again cause hes really struggling rn

[celest wren]

Yah I agree

[supple crest]

finally got my rick to plat

[tender ferry]

ngl, Rick & Gizmo need to be looked at for 2v2s. together they are the most aggravating to play against

[trail pond]

i mean thatss just kinda how 2s is

some character comps just go crazy

[celest wren]

Bro just explained synergy

[indigo otter]

I think it's more of a double zoner comp... I read people complaining about it before

[dark jetty]

Id prefer if rick were with somebody who is an asssassin or a tank

Really helps with the teams kill power

And u js provide projectiles

[tender ferry]

true. they get to get so much free damage and there's not much u can do about it, it's why i avoided 2s, but that's what PFG does their balancing around

[bold jungle]

yea

rick is not worth taking into tourneys

hes straight up a D/F tier in pro tourneys

the jab nerf really hurted him in pro play

[dark jetty]

I js got to gold 2 in 2s with him rn

Ranked 474 on rick in 2s

Im feeling pretty good

That an accomplisment or nah

Im like almost under the 20k thing on the global rank thing

[celest wren]

That’s what ppl don’t understand

U can’t whiff punish anything anymore

Ppl just throw out garbage moves against u and u have to take it like a good boy

[bold jungle]

Bro just described my whole rank gameplay 😭

[bold jungle]

Nice!

I honestly might switch to 2s rank for rick cause 1s just isnt his spot anymore

[celest wren]

Yah u can’t punish any moves anymore unless u predict them 100 right

So ppl literally just throw moves that should be punished and u can’t and than when u try and punish them u get punished instead

[dark jetty]

He does great

Still is imo a high tier

In that meta

Maybe a low high tier in 2s now

But hes still good

[celest wren]

Rick is not a high tier bro

He’s bottom 10

[celest wren]

What’s ur rank?

[dark jetty]

I wouldnt say hes bottom 10 in 2s

The guy offers alot and does well in that enviroment

Ofc hes not good in 1s and probs bottom 10

But rick rn id say hes still a Low High tier in the 2s meta game

The jab nerf isnt some be all end all for him

[dark jetty]

Im gold 2 almost gold 1 im gettin close to plat in the 2s enviroment i agree hes like not good in 1s but 2s is a diff story but i dont think hes some top 5 char i see him Around High B Or Low A

But rank stuff aside i dont think him being bottom 10 in 2s makes much sense

[celest wren]

Oh yah in 1s he’s goated asf

I thought u we’re talking sbout 2s

[dark jetty]

Mb

[civic cloud]

I kid you not rick jab has the same amount of lag as shaggy side b

[celest wren]

That’s what I’ve been trying to tell ppl

[bold jungle]

hey

im working on a website rn to explain how you can play ever character pro

basically a pro guide for every advance tech, trick combo and etc

if anyone here knows any cool rick stuff please DM me so i can add it to the website

you will be credited

[celest wren]

Is mvs really that deep lol

[raw crane]

no im bored and giving my self an exusce to work on something MVS related lol

but there is some cool tech people dont talk about with alot of the cast

agent smith has some insane combos almost no one knows about

[indigo otter]

he had... what I heard is that tech fkd his combo game

[raw crane]

💀

OK idk if this is the best way to list off character info for the website but this is my idea rn

-Character name
-info
-Best perk set(based on pros suggestions)
-complex combos + video showing them

[indigo otter]

also you should keep in mind that combos might change out of the blue, and it's really hard to keep the videos update

like what they did to Rick and Beetlejuice

[raw crane]

if thats the case i dont mind

once i get the main page set up it should be easy to edit, the only hardd part is to actually make the video lol

[dark jetty]

Add Matchups

So like a chars Bad Matchups are added

You already know who ur gonna struggle against

Or ur good match ups

[raw crane]

OOOH

good idea thank you!

[indigo otter]

and that's not even nothing new... Rick was never a top tier character... sure he had a nice combo game, but it was not only super hard to execute, but it would drop many times and it was super easy to fk things up, especially with the portal, so we'd have to wait a very long time until we were able to even try that combo again... and even with the high damage combos, Rick could only kill most of the cast at 120-140

[celest wren]

Yah ppl done understand than at all messing up a comboe means u have to wait 30 secs jsut to even attempt it again but characters like joker can jsut re try hai 0- death has many times as they want

[supple crest]

REAL dude so real to this and the following messages. Rick is so underpowered, (compared to the rest of the cast), it's unreal. You have to FIGHT to win in ranked as Rick, like really fight.

[supple crest]

So true

Rick mains have to play the game on hard mode :(

[indigo otter]

too bad PFG isn't even in this chat

they should

[supple crest]

Yeah

I've done it before

It ain't easy

You have to get good reads the entire way and hit them multiple times for that

One of my favorite ways to kill confirm with Rick is to trans morph either both me and my opponent or just me, then set up a golf meeseeks, then hit them into it

If they're at 110~ or more they're gonna die, easy

If they're transmorphed too I'd even say it can kill at 100

This works really well with the meeseeks perk

[indigo otter]

except that most attacks as big Rick whiffs small Reindog

at least in my experience

[supple crest]

Yeah

Yeah

Even regular Rick has trouble hitting it

The reindog feels smaller than it looks

Rick needs better signature perks

A lot of characters do

Squanchin pyrotechnics is made useless because that's flammable doc exists

Why portal someone or a projectile to cause ignite when you can just shoot them with an infinite ray gun

Then there's the whip one

That one just sucks

I think it's kind of cool as an idea, but then you just remove the option to knock people upwards with the whip entirely which is not good

The meeseeks one is the only sort of decent one

[indigo otter]

it doesn't remove that option tho... it only brings the enemy down if you charge it, but if you don't charge it you can still use it as an upwards finisher

[supple crest]

Oh really? I misread it then my bad

That's not as bad then

Still kinda bad

[indigo otter]

it is kinda bad with Tech tho

because using that is a bounce

[dark jetty]

Still waiting for a jab 1 revert

Js like they did to mortys sair

Still goin strong on rick though

[indigo otter]

me too, but I honestly don't think we're gonna get it if we don't say it in the feedback channel

they don't see this channel

[raw crane]

THIS

when i pick up any other character i just button mash

when i play rick i have to lock in on every single fight

people dont understand that rick mains play a COMPLETLY different game compared to everyone else

[indigo otter]

we should be more vocal in the feedback channel, not here

[supple crest]

We should

[supple crest]

Bro 😭

[supple crest]

Real

[raw crane]

like im a top 100 rick and im struggling but when i pick up stripe and button mash i had 4 people jumo off the map?????

like

huh

[raw crane]

true

[civic cloud]

same but for me that’s morty , morty is just so much more fun to play than rick rn

[celest wren]

Yah I stopped playing ranked entirely

I’m grand master 40 with Rick and for me to win my games I have to play damn near perfect games

And I lost max points against the number 1 Batman

[supple crest]

I respect you honestly. Im still on that grind and man... it gets to you. You have to sweat your ass off, get perfect reads, hit all your set ups and stuff, and you'll still probably lose half the time because the game is very very VERY unbalanced

[celest wren]

Yah imma wait for season 3 and if they don’t revert his jab back imma jsut quit

I’m 100% convinced pfg don’t even play their game

[tender ferry]

scum character. delete him from the game

[white stag]

Human Wastrel sighted. delete him from the solar system.

[tender ferry]

fr tho, i feel like nerfing rick's jab only proved that, that's what gives a character potential to be powerful despite all the tools he has

[white stag]

Yeah, they should revert the Jab size.

They can keep the slowness of whiffing tho.

[indigo otter]

the problem of the jab is not the size, but how long it takes to even become active

right now you pretty much can't use jab in most combos because it comes out too slow

[white stag]

You can predict where your enemy is going to be and then dodge into jab.

The time between Jab 2 remains unchanged, and you can combo out of Jab 1.

[indigo otter]

ok, so I have to live in the future for my jab to have any use

...

[white stag]

That's Rick and Morty.

You can also read their tech.

But then again, a little extra speed won't hurt to add.

[civic cloud]

and sometimes things just don’t work bruh flying meeseeks sair drops half the time

[civic cloud]

morty is alot easier to do it with because his jab is actually fast and can compete with other characters jabs in trades

[supple crest]

half his moves drop half the time

[civic cloud]

oh trust me ik

[white stag]

Morty's arm has a hurtbox.

[civic cloud]

yeah but that doesn’t matter when your opponent is in whiff or was just in hitstun

god forbid you try to with punish with rick jab

i’ve been playing morty all yesterday and today and it is 10x easier to whiff punish with morty than rick

[celest wren]

Bro wants ricks only approach to to be prediction

So u okay with Rick having any whiff punish tools?

Than to add on to all that if ur prediction is wrong ur opponent jsut gets a free combo in

[celest wren]

Yah it’s stupid asf

[white stag]

"Wow, choosing me, huh? I'll warn you, not an easy character to deal with." - Rick Sanchez, MultiVersus, 2024

[celest wren]

My thoughts on this tomorrow

[white stag]

Thoughts?

[celest wren]

It was pretty nice

[indigo otter]

you should say this in Feedback... PFG is not here

[celest wren]

Bc playing Rick literally is playing with a handicap

[celest wren]

U can’t even say that there ppl ill jsut say ur jab made and stuff like that

Yah cuz all the fun character u can’t jsut press 3 buttons over again to win

Yah Rick and lebron u actually have to strategize to actually be good with the character

[dark jetty]

I doubt hes being touched

Early in season 3

I can either see they somehow buff more moves in his kit

Or they rework the jab nerf making it good again

They probably will focus on BA , Jabbler And other goofy chars before sitting down and touching rick

Which is fine i dont want them to touch him the first day in that season 3 patch and hes somehow worse then he is rn

Id like to to kill more earliee

Its kinda crazy how his jetpack somehow does not kill at high percents

But moves like gizmo up attack

Joker up attack

Or other chars up spscials

Kill early early

Im not saying to make it to where it kills early but make it more constient with the killing

[sharp sigil]

This character thread is the most chaotic

[celest wren]

How

[white stag]

Because rik

[supple crest]

getting tired of the rank grind with rick. I just keep losing no matter how good I play.

this games unbalance is so bad

[dark jetty]

Mostly people who are js cocern for the future of rick

With his jab changes

Futures not lookin tg

[celest wren]

Yah I feel u bro it’s hard to be ppl that I used to 3 stick before and some match ups are jsut unplayable

[celest wren]

Play someone else it’s not worth ur mental health

[sharp sigil]

Yeah I see. It's brought up most. I just didn't expect there to be the most arguing in here figured it'd be like the Velma or the cheap characters

[celest wren]

There no more arguing anymore

The ppl that were arguing jsut realized how wrong they were and left

[dark jetty]

Nah not really arguring

Mostly js debating wheter he got worse

Or he somehow got "gutted"

But overall js rick mains struggling and hoping for change

[celest wren]

Idk if u we’re here before but the ppl were toxic asf

[sharp sigil]

That was why I kept coming here to check

There's one I see always complaining about Rick pre and post buff. I'm like there's no way he's bad.

[celest wren]

Who?

[sharp sigil]

Don't wanna call out names

[celest wren]

Why not

[sharp sigil]

Don't wanna dogpile em. I like the peace I've had in this server lately

Haven't had any aggressively angry people coming at me

They were one of those aggressive peeps and haven't been lately and I'd rather keep it that way. Still I disagreed with the opinion but I don't play Rick to know so I come read what y'all say here

And most of you say he's good so that's what I go with.

[celest wren]

Who said he’s good here?

[sharp sigil]

Well my take away was he's good if he's not bottom tier. Though I'm remembering now from earlier you say he's not that good

It was days if not like a week ago

I just still come in here to read

[celest wren]

Nah those were the ppl that swore Rick was jsut as good but those ppl left bc their statement didn’t hold

Up

[celest wren]

Rick’s a bottom 10 character now

[sharp sigil]

I wouldn't wanna stay if the convo was just back and forth with that either but I can't fight it. I think he's okay but I don't lose to him often.

Though I haven't lost to many since beta days. In 1s I've had some that did really good and beat me.

[celest wren]

Who do u main?

[sharp sigil]

What makes him bottom tier to you?

T&J and Jason

[celest wren]

Makes sense they both counter Rick pretty well

[sharp sigil]

That's a yikes

[celest wren]

Has no approach tools and his only approach sucks

[celest wren]

Am I wrong

[sharp sigil]

I don't feel threatened with t&j ever until it's a Jason, Superman, Black Adam or.. Jack, Shaggy, Gizmo, Stripe. So nah

[celest wren]

What rank are u?

[sharp sigil]

With Jason vs Rick it's kinda like with most characters just don't let them hit me too much and if they get carried away throw out random axe slams to make em remember I'm gangster

[sharp sigil]

Plat 3

On both

[celest wren]

Jason hard counters Rick so hard

Jason Jab is faster than ricks

Rick can’t break armor at all

It’s jsut a bad match up now

[sharp sigil]

Damn

This is one of the rare times my main isn't a low tier.

[celest wren]

Yah Rick has the slowest jab in the game and it has the most end lag

[sharp sigil]

Probably won't stay that way too long if most of you agree on that and the approach options being bad

[celest wren]

Yah we’re trying to get it reverted a little bit or buff in other departments that actually help Rick

[sharp sigil]

Hoping my cat and mouse doesn't get gutted. Never thought they op but seems like everyone hates em and the paddle. Feel like my days are numbered

[celest wren]

The problem with paddle that it swings u is a multi hit and u can mover while doing it and keep the same speed

And after u get hit by paddle u get out into a 60/40 for the tnj player

[sharp sigil]

It does whiff if you miss the first hit or two though until that final hit

[indigo otter]

people who say he's good don't play him

[celest wren]

Exactly

[celest wren]

How u get punished when it’s ur turn

Bro Rick is so bad rn

[bold jungle]

Real

[supple crest]

This bro

[sharp sigil]

That's how it feels going against Joker sometimes 😂

[white stag]

See, this one doesn't care who you play as, as long as Joker is your opponent.

[sharp sigil]

I'm confused what?

[dark jetty]

Hes saying bascailly it does not matter

Who u play

As long as jokers ur opp

Because he pratically has the best mu ratio in the game

Almost all his matchups or slightly in his favor or he wins them 100 percent of the time

Or he has even matchups

And barely has any bad 1s

[hazy prairie]

playing joker feels like cheating

wdym my non charged up attack kills someone at 100

[bold jungle]

XD

[sharp sigil]

Oh okay. I don't agree with that either tbh but if I'm gonna advocate against myself maybe the good ones are far above my rank. It doesn't feel too bad for me anymore but there's also t&j but even with Jason. Just a mosquito needing to be squished

Honestly I usually feel most of the cast are okay.

My biggest weak points are Shaggy, Stripe gizmo and Superman

Sometimes BA

Shaggy idk what's happening they've just beaten me a lot lately.

Joker hasn't really been a problem for me post nerf but I really felt it pre nerf.

[celest wren]

Some trynna argue that Rick still has the best jab in the game

I can’t anymore

No way ppl actually think Rick is top tier

[raw crane]

its always the silvers that lost to 1 rick and then say hes OP

i always see kids saying rick needs nerfs

and im just staring at the screen like "why am i even in this server"

[limber flame]

Meesseeks are way too weak to say Rick is OP

[white stag]

People who play Rick professionally have the capability to understand the show.

[celest wren]

YH I could tell bro said he doesn’t play rank and I was like yah that make sense

At this point off might actually need nerf Rick again

[civic cloud]

especially when going against joker

[civic cloud]

they must be missing a frontal lobe if they think rick jab is anywhere near as good as jokers, jacks, finn’s, shaggy ,adam’s

[civic cloud]

going against joker feels unfair, like it feels like they just have an inherent advantage over me if i’m playing rick

[supple crest]

bro how could anyone think rick is op

if youre struggling against rick you must suck man, its the rick that has to struggle

[celest wren]

Yah he’s a casual bro said he’s never played rank before

And that’s the problem ppl who don’t even play semi competitively are complaining about characters

And pfg just decides to listen to them

[dark jetty]

If they bring coffezilla

Then id enjoy rick more

[celest wren]

Which perk was that ?

Yah ppl don’t realize that nothing in Rick’s kit is given u gotta earn it

[dark jetty]

Makes cooldowns finish 10 percent quicker

With his meeseeks portal polymorph and seed

Would benefit alot from it

[supple crest]

man that would be nice

rick vs ig makes me

[celest wren]

Yah he would but than so many other characters would be strong

[dark jetty]

Thats fine

But rick getting that would be nice and rick would benefit from it i think more then alot of chars

Sane with ice to beat

Esp with portals

Hell u pratically are able to do portal combos 10 percent quicker if coffezilla is added

[celest wren]

Yah Ik but pfg would never

[silent veldt]

What do we think about nerfing polymorph and buffing his portal stuff like the saucy stuff yknow

[white stag]

The polymorph phase is already promoting the safest method of playing the game, which is running away.

[celest wren]

Huh

[celest wren]

What are u even talking

About

[white stag]

Anyone who's polymorphed has a better chance of survival because they aren't tempted to rush in.

Not to mention that Rick's melee game is just not good.

[celest wren]

Yah but u said polymorph made ppl run away

[white stag]

Yeah, because that's their first instinct.

[dark jetty]

Honestly i dont think they shouldnt even touch it already a gamble of a move

Gamble because of a few things

But if they buff his portal stuff sure id enjoy that

[celest wren]

I mean that is all Rick really has

[celest wren]

Yah hopefully they do something bc rn he’s unplayable and his playstyle is not even fun as well

[dark jetty]

I dont need more rick nerfs

Js reworks and buffs

They probably wont this start of the patch

Ik jokers getting gutted soon

And BA

So im not really worried for now

[dark jetty]

Js got rick to Plat in 2s

Around like the 300-400 range

Feels good tbh

[supple crest]

Nice job. That rank grind is a killer, especially for ricks.

[limber flame]

imho :

-Buff messeeks so they don't die every time someone breathes, and give em more dmg especially with the perk, and fix the damn club meesseeks
-Get back to objects teleporting in portal in a loop and not just one time
-Give back the 3 laser charges, infinite laser is just bad and frustrating to play against
-Nerf Polymorph, it just makes rick into iron giant

[indigo otter]

if they're giving laser charges, they should revert his jab nerfs

and lets be honest, Polymorph is not that useful... most of the times we miss our attacks in some stupid way and baby reindog just slips away

[limber flame]

Polymorph isn't good for reindog it's good for turning into iron giant and have gigentic hurtboxes with a knockback buff

[limber flame]

nah his jab was wild for a mage, getting into sword fighters ranges was too much

[indigo otter]

it 100% wasn't... look at TnJ... look how fast that jab is

not to mention everything else TnJ has in his kit

[limber flame]

but his actual mage tools are either bugged or too weak / ignorable by half the cast

[indigo otter]

Rick was dependent on combos, always been

his damage is too low without combos, and he's too squishy

[limber flame]

i used to play him as a heavy setup and edgeguard master back in the day

you don't need dmg if you kill pple at 35 from edgeguarding

[indigo otter]

situational af

[limber flame]

it used to be consistent with his up special being able to spike and stronger club meesseeks but now... yeah

[indigo otter]

nothing about rick is consistent right now

[limber flame]

yeah it's sad, give back the creativity

[indigo otter]

it was so satisfying doing combos with him...

he was never meta, he was never S-tier

only very good players would get good results

[limber flame]

in the beta he was wild ngl but he was hard to learn

[indigo otter]

because his combos were complex and required training

that's why I don't think he was OP... it took a lot of training

and a lot of times our combos even dropped for no reason... like portal placed the enemy behind us or something

then we'd have to wait the cooldown again

[limber flame]

yeah he's no shaggy, i mannaged top 100 back in the days but i needed much, much more training than on other characters

[limber flame]

it still does so often i hate it

[indigo otter]

so I think it's ok to have these high damage combos... it took a lot of effort and a lot of practice... it deserves high reward

unlike some characters that have 4 hits true 0td combo

[celest wren]

Rick having high dmg isn’t even a problem they actually take skill and require long cooldowns so if u drop them u won’t be able to do the again

Edge guarding ppl is a it consistent way to kill p

Ppl

Anyone with half a brain will make it back

And why make his laser 3 charges it will literally make him
Bottom 3

[indigo otter]

I wouldn't say consistent because it depends on getting people to be on edge in the first place

if that's your best option, it's not good

[celest wren]

Yah I meant not consistent

[indigo otter]

especially because Rick is squishy... every little mistake or delay is huge for Rick

[celest wren]

Yah that’s very much true

[indigo otter]

and now he has a huge problem punishing people with the slowest jab in the game

when he depends so much on combos

[celest wren]

Them not giving Rick a good approach tool and buffin his other options would be pretty much useless

[indigo otter]

I haven't played since the nerf, and if they don't buff his jab (and PPG is not fun) I'm probably going to uninstall

[celest wren]

Yah I haven’t played they game in a week lol there no point

Why should the 3rd lightest character have the slowest jab on the game

While tied for the Jab with the most endlag

How u make character that compared to the rest cast struggles to kill not be able to whiff punish ppl

[indigo otter]

tbh, I don't even care that much about the endlag.. the problem is having both a slow startup jab and the endlag

because it's very likely that we miss the jab and get punished

[celest wren]

Yah why they choose both

[indigo otter]

if we at least had more chance to punish people with the jab, I don't mind having a bigger window to be punished

[celest wren]

Yah same

Now if u think u can punish someone u can’t anymore

And now they jsut get punish u

[indigo otter]

imagine trying to punish Agent Smith, for instance

his second jab comes out so quickly

it was nearly impossible to punish before

right now, I wouldn't even try it

[celest wren]

That’s exactly what happens

And it’s worse when other players learn that u can’t punish them

[indigo otter]

meaning anyone gold+

[celest wren]

I played games where players would jsut throw attacks after whiffing and that was faster than me trying to punish them

They wouldn’t even try and dodge or anything

[indigo otter]

it takes like .75 seconds to be active

he could have gone to the kitchen, grabbed some water, pet the dog and come back

and still punish your jab

[celest wren]

U literally have to read the opponent like a book to punish someone with jab

And don’t even get me started on the end lag

I’ve played t&j who have had enough time to jump in the air and hit a dair when I whiffed jab

It’s such low reward high risk move

[indigo otter]

yeah... if they don't fix Rick and PPF don't convince me, I'm done

I've been patient waiting a whole half-season

I'm not a patient guy