Marvin The Martian

[tawny crane]

WAIT THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE PROJECTILES BACK THEIR HITBOX AFTER A WHILE EVEN WITHOUT BUTTON

that's actually huge for Marvin, so many times bubble or jab-3 is out and it literally just overlaps with the opponent for 3 solid seconds

even if they don't buff Marvin more than this, that's still more than enough to bring him up multiple spots on the tier list imo, dodging rocket has always been brutal

[fringe trout]

PHANTOMS ARE NO MORE 😭😭😭😭

[brave remnant]

@fringe trout thank you for getting that question in there 🙏

I just finished watching this, I'm actually excited to play this update. I hope it feels the way it's being described because I'm gonna go ham. I been hitting some disgusting reverse setups and button combos lately even with the bad feels. This should be much more fluid.

I'm wondering what on cooldown stuff Marvin gonna get

Riffle on cd is rough, maybe he will swing it

[silk pecan]

HELL YEAH!! Thank you!!

[mystic tinsel]

YESSSS, this has happened to me non stop! 🙏🙏

[minor hare]

Why does bubble have so much Di in long combos 🤦‍♂️

#clips message

[fringe trout]

It's crazy inconsistent
You're lucky to hit even two in a row, three is like winning the lottery

[brave remnant]

When does that patch go live? Is it tomorrow tomorrow or like Asia tomorrow 🤔 cause that's today for me lol 😆 😅 🙃

[minor hare]

I didn’t even get the bubble follow up at all

[worldly steeple]

tomorrow tomorrow, they have been updating it at about noon est, so like 16h from now if i can count

[silk pecan]

I really want a lot of Marvin buffs

Our martian really deserves it after all he's gone through

[brave remnant]

thank you

[brave remnant]

to be fair, fixing the phantom projectile, the movement changes to being able to approach easier, and even 1 on cd change will be huge!

[silk pecan]

Oh totally! I just hope he gets a little more since everyone else gets movement changes too.

I have a bit of a list haha

[brave remnant]

ufo could stand a little hp or to just take less % dmg

gets merkd easy

i dont have a ton of other gripes aside from base dmg %s

[silk pecan]

So true

Also, I really want Marvin's bubbles to trap all projectiles AND characters

[brave remnant]

i can hit someone with 8 plus unreturned hits, they get 3 touches and they have more than closed the gap

[worldly steeple]

thats a little crazy but i do want it to trap jerry i dont think it will doe

[brave remnant]

trapping characters would be a bit op

[worldly steeple]

i hope they secretly read my one infrequent request and are adding a move for ground side special on cooldown

[brave remnant]

rifle on cd

for sure

[silk pecan]

Only when the bubble has a full charge up

And it pops immediately after a single attack

[brave remnant]

cant hit IG ?

[silk pecan]

Marvin has a lot of potential

But nobody really sees it because he has a really mediocre kit

[brave remnant]

i destroy most igs i fight as it is, i feel like you cant give him that much control. just up his lethality slightly and freeing up the movement and phantom issues would be massive

[silk pecan]

IG is Marvin's best MU

[worldly steeple]

his kit is fire he just is so heavily reliant on vertical kills that even stages like dexter 2 where everybody can get a ringout at like 40 on the edge of the stage marvin cant

[brave remnant]

just getting a cd on gravityrifle will be a big deal imo, and im fairly certain thats a thing we are getting, just who knows what it will be

[silk pecan]

Ro-bro can't do a single thing if Marvin has his Up Strong add on

It's a 9-1 MU in Marvin's favor

[brave remnant]

most just jump off after the first stock

[minor hare]

Thats broken

[silk pecan]

Aww come on, you're telling me you don't want to see Jerry trapped in a bubble and laugh maniacally at the poor T&J players who've tormented thousands?

[brave remnant]

i just dont think he needs the control, i already control space well, and can interupt almost anything, being able to bubble a player, busted, you could only make an argument for a perk that would do something like that

[silk pecan]

Or Bugs Bunny's safe?

[brave remnant]

i eat jerry, toms the problem

[minor hare]

You can 1 shot the safe anyways

[brave remnant]

downA bru

[finite blaze]

jerry should be at least stopped by bubble

[brave remnant]

when hes a rocket i agree

when hes the projectile

[finite blaze]

the regular shot too

[silk pecan]

^

[brave remnant]

not when hes on the ground

[minor hare]

No

[silk pecan]

Why not tho?

[minor hare]

It would be so unfair you guys don’t understand

[brave remnant]

when hes being used as a projectile, sure,

but you shouldnt get control of him like other things

[silk pecan]

Having a counter to Jerry is a good thing

[minor hare]

You lot just want a winning match up against every character without backlash. Barely anyone can counter Jerry projectile

[brave remnant]

i just dont have an issue with jerry

[finite blaze]

he should just fall to the ground and eat bubble

[brave remnant]

i just cover entry with bubble and standing Dattack

[minor hare]

It’s not supposed to be countered.

[brave remnant]

he gets wrecked

[finite blaze]

jerry is so ridiculous

[silk pecan]

The Jerry loops annoy me

[brave remnant]

hes basically 2shotable if you are dilligent

[silk pecan]

Especially when I am playing Jason

[finite blaze]

it should not have priority over literally everything in the game

[silk pecan]

^

[finite blaze]

you can side b helmet it and get above it sometimes

[minor hare]

It should

[silk pecan]

Why tho?

[finite blaze]

but, like, every other projectile character vss tnj just doesnt get to use them even for defense against jerry

[minor hare]

Jerry it two hits away from dying

It’s not just a normal projectile

[finite blaze]

theres 0 cd for killing jerry too, is the issue

[brave remnant]

float a bubble in front of you and purple lazor him, lazor him when he hits the ground again. he poofs. i dont see the problem

[minor hare]

Fr

[finite blaze]

the jerry goes thru bubble??

[brave remnant]

.....lazor

[finite blaze]

theres no interaction

[brave remnant]

when hes hitting the bubble,

[finite blaze]

it doesnt stop the jerry projectile

[brave remnant]

then your spacing is bad

[minor hare]

I play stripe and I have two anti projectile moves that don’t work on Jerry but I still think Jerry should have priority

[finite blaze]

i am specifically talking about the jerry projectile]

[brave remnant]

he lands in front of me and dies to the next lazor

[silk pecan]

Problem, Tom slams you with frying pain and catches Jerry. Wdud?

[finite blaze]

the problem is the arc covers 90% of the stage

[brave remnant]

he cant get in

i have a bubble floated and im purple lazoring through it when anything approaches

[silk pecan]

T&J players are a lot smarter than you think. It's insane...

[finite blaze]

if thats working against gold tnj's wowie idrc

or silver ones lol

[minor hare]

Diamond tnj play the same

[finite blaze]

and in doubles too he has tons of time and space to sit back and launch his all-priority projectile

you cant contest him the same way

which is mostly what im speaking on

[minor hare]

All? you mean 1

[brave remnant]

im more aggressive than you i think is all, and i counter space a lot when my cds arent in favor

[finite blaze]

all as in it has priority over all

[brave remnant]

all of this is about to be obsolete

[silk pecan]

As a Jason player, T&J sucks to fight

[minor hare]

Also a tip for what I see a bunch of diamond players do against tnj is to play at ledge. They won’t shoot Jerry at you

[finite blaze]

thats great and all but the tnj morty comp is like the example of why its wrong and should change

[minor hare]

Losing match up

[silk pecan]

Definitely

[minor hare]

It’s like Marvin vs iron giant

[silk pecan]

I really hope Jason doesn't get nerfed

Bro feels rewarding to win with

[finite blaze]

they get to deny every projectile and cover the screen in everything

truly heinous comp

[brave remnant]

i actively target jerry before worrying about tom unless tom is encroaching, they seem to have a real hard time dealing with it. if you respect either of them, you are getting what you deserve i think.

[finite blaze]

i mean yeah i dont have a problem in a 1v1 at all

[brave remnant]

its the same in a 2v2

[finite blaze]

its just what it can do in 2s is ridiculous

youre not getting it bro

[brave remnant]

if you give him space, thats whats to be expected

you arent getting it bro

[minor hare]

Same. I dynamite Jerry straight away

[finite blaze]

the nature of twos allows him that

[brave remnant]

no it doesnt

[finite blaze]

then u suck at 2s idk what to tell you

[brave remnant]

........take your l

and your cap

[minor hare]

Who sucks the one struggling or the one who isn’t

[finite blaze]

why marvin is so much better in twos is the exact same reason, he has opportunities to jump behind and setplay

[brave remnant]

and go home, you get the extra partner to pressure him

its not an advantage only to him

its the exact same situation, you just need to coordinate. maybe you need a mirror.

[finite blaze]

sure but at the same time he gets to layer pretty crazy hitboxes and projectiles

over his teammate

like you are kidding yourself if you dont think jerry shot + their teammate in the air following or plus morty nades above and below is like, stupidly problematic

[brave remnant]

yep, if you let that happen, you deserve to be punished for it. no different than in a 1v1, even worse, because there are two players who can actively focus target. its not a 2v1 mode. you are just obtuse.

[minor hare]

That is way to specific

How about dodge up

[finite blaze]

i mean thats like the most common round start for the comp

is nades / jerry

they get to do that on round start

[minor hare]

No it’s not

All Morty’s use that snake shot first

What I always do is dodge in and get to the hit

Works every time

[brave remnant]

^

pressure

if you let them do things. you deserve to eat them

[finite blaze]

look my point was never i have trouble beating this

[brave remnant]

period

[finite blaze]

its "it is too strong"

i always centurion on reaction and then approach in

[brave remnant]

alexa play greenday: walking contradiction

[finite blaze]

you can think something is too strong while not struggling against it

[brave remnant]

not really no you cant

[finite blaze]

"yeah my character is overtuned"

[brave remnant]

not if you arent trolling or being intellectually dishonest

[finite blaze]

thats not the actual binary set of choices tho

[brave remnant]

there isnt a binary set of choices thats the irony

im over you logic failures

[finite blaze]

you said it has to be trplling or intellectually dishonest

which no

heres an example

i think reindog fair is too strong because they moved it closer to the beta version, because it is a wild move to have for team combos. do i struggle against the move? no? reindog players have to wait to use it in that way until a team combo.

its specifically in the context of team combos

its wild for tnj to just have a projectile that ignores all anti projectile mechanics in the game while he himself is a top ten character

meaning his kit is full of strong neutral options regardless

[weak totem]

thoughts on the patch?

[spiral edge]

pretty good minus down attack nerfs

[azure saddle]

+7 wiff frames 😭 they want him to be able to melee better but the ruin his best non projectile move that allows him to combo?

[fringe trout]

Removing phantoms is huge, but adding more wiff to that move (which had LOTS already) is willlld

[dim crystal]

I'm guessing down attack doesn't cover his body anymore. Wish they added shock to the 'electric' attack.

[lost sand]

I believe it still does.

It's just that as of now, there were times where dtilt would sometimes hit people at suspiciously odd ranges.

I'm surprised they didn't do that for dair eitheir.

But then again, I could be wrong, we'll see.

[dim crystal]

Si

[fallow beacon]

Overall Id argue he's gotten better but man +7 whiff frames? Gonna have to play it myself to get a feel for it

[fringe trout]

You can cancel pistol with a jump or a dodge. But without either, the endlag is already abysmal

[vestal pine]

y'all. the patch notes. I'M-- 😮

Ground Dash Attack

• Damage increased to 8 from 6
• Dash attack better connects all 3 hits reliably
  Ground Side Attack 1
  ~ Hitpause reduced
  Ground Side Attack 2
• Damage increased to 4 from 3
• On-hit cancel window advanced 1 frame
  ~ Hitpause reduced
• Now can on-hit cancel into a faster version of Ground Up Attack
  Ground Down Attack

• Hitbox sized reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Marvin ○ - Start-up window increased 1 frame
• On-whiff cancel window delayed 7 frames
  Air/Ground Neutral Attack
  ~ Bubbling a projectile will reset its hit history, allowing it to hit fighters that have already dodged the attack
  Air/Ground Neutral Attack (Cooldown)
  ~ Fixed certain projectile clank interactions
  Air Side Attack

• Now maintains more momentum in the direction Marvin is facing during the attack

• Now maintains less momentum in the direction opposite Marvin’s facing during the attack
  Air/Ground Neutral Special
  ~ Reversing a projectile will reset its hit history, allowing it to hit fighters that have already dodged the attack

• Now allows more air control during the attack
• Hitbox size increased
• Hitbox active duration increased 6 frames

(for those who haven't seen)

pretty hype for dash attack and neutral.

[deep tartan]

mark my words im makin it to top 10 this season

top 10 marvin that is

[fringe trout]

Honestly the largest issues with dash attack were the endlag and startup
Thing is too slow for practical use. Maybe throw it out once to confuse the opponent, but you're still a sitting duck when it misses

[deep tartan]

if you miss the dash attack its sucha easy punish

i dont even use it

most i ever use it for is neutral air near the ground and just star a combo with it

because like its frame perfect but if you hit the bubble like close to the ground you can just dodge into the dash attack and it hits like 99% of the time

and you can get a jab combo off or jab 2 into button bubble idk

some sort of mix up

im just happy i can actually scrap with people not have to reside in booting people into stuff

or wasting button

@fringe trout we gotta spar again one day man my marvin has gotten way better

[fringe trout]

Well if you land a grounded bubble you jump and get a second bubble for free. Then you can combo into kick or headbutt (or a third bubble). Bubble from the ground should also combo into dair. Just more damage output compared to dash

[deep tartan]

yeah i say the dash one just has style points def better options tho

i need tips for morty match ups tho

like even as slippery as marvin can be just the amount of things morty can get away with is absurd

like i see this guy miss a dirt i try to punish and just runs away and he breaks projectiles so like im just sitting here kickin this man around the map because i cant ever seem to land my jab because his jab is just faster and everything else for that matter

even bubbles they can punish because the the sair being fast asf too only character i struggle the worst with

[fallow beacon]

I was in and out of top 50 marvin on 1v1, hoping to make it to master this time around xD

[tawny crane]

Marvin changes are very good, the button changes seem interesting

I wonder how much larger they made the hitbox, I doubt people are going to be hitting button in neutral and you can't ground bounce into it because of the tech mechanic

[fallow beacon]

Yeah Marvin lost most of his button combos in the relaunch, and this is the most substantial edit they've done for him yet

[fringe trout]

Button was a combo tool before, stubby but it lead into other attacks easily. Sounds like they want to revert to that playstyle

Fixing phantoms is huge. Now our setups are incredibly dangerous. Before they were a one and done deal, dodge once and you're free

[fallow beacon]

Yeah Phantoms are like the one qol fix marvin needed. Like having a weak melee game makes sense at least but when your projectiles just become usless cause of a dodge it kinda feels like he's lacking in both

[worldly steeple]

i think youll be able to punish bad dodges heavily now with the button reactivating hitbox

and finally bubble reactivates as well

side special is about to go crazy like it should

[worldly steeple]

eg if someone neutral dodges or more realistically dodges in you can reverse and pretty much force another dodge or just catch them right away with the reverse

i might actually run the reverse perk again if it seems good enough

[fallow beacon]

pft ok thats kind funny, cause the season reset and i was a high rank it started me at rank #12 marvin lmao

probably wont have time to play much today, just funny xD

[deep tartan]

jesus they tweaked button the crap out

my gosh you can do so much with it

litterally can kick into button

like 4 times

[minor hare]

Not on Di away tho

[deep tartan]

yeh

but you can even mash it on them per DI

and the kick after the button can reach them if you're doing it arial

[tawny crane]

I just played a few hours of Marvin

he feels illegally smooth

that sair momentum buff is ridiculous, he glides in the air now

also I was completely wrong
button is actually a viable neutral tool

he slides with it on the ground and the hitbox is large enough to approach with it from the air

you can genuinely approach people with grounded button

that is insanity

from what I've tried, it seems the following are true
ground button > sair
ground button > air button (not useful due to tech)
rising sair > falling air button (low %)
falling sair > DJ air button (low %)
rising sair > DJ air button (mid-high %)

button and sair go together like marriage, and if the opponent doesn't DI in at the ledge, you can even do button ground bounce > dair spike

won't kill but it's kinda crazy

there's also jab-2 > air button which is useful offstage because you can do jab-2 > air button > sair

might not be entirely true but it's a good string

[weak helm]

marvin feels so smooth and fun to play

no more dodging bubbled rockets

my glorious martian emperor is back

[fringe trout]

Button is love

[weak helm]

Button is life

https://tenor.com/view/red-button-benjammins-button-push-push-the-button-dont-touch-gif-27570007

[finite blaze]

fair was always good now it catches more di's

[weak helm]

IS there ever any reason to not use space invader?

like any matchups where you want the tiny rockets or the reverse buff over it

[spiral edge]

lowkey i feel like they made space invader so it would be harder to choose which perks

like his kit feels incomplete without being able to aim his up attack

[dim crystal]

Space invader feels like they removed something he initially had to make it a perk.

Like you can see him try to aim in the air when you don't have it.

I usually just run 5% though tbh.

[fallow beacon]

Space invader's my pic for fishing out kills at odd angles, just feels more worth it to me than mini rockets, tho with the button buffs I may give the remote perk a try

[tawny crane]

I initially ran remote perk when I started but space invader is just too important

If you can’t pressure people at an angle when juggling then his advantage state is just nerfed so much

[fallow beacon]

Oh the powerpuffs smoke marvin, Jesus christ

They're fast, a small hitbox and have moves than kill marvin at like 80, and I thought Tom and Jerry were a nightmare matchup xD

[tawny crane]

yeah they destroy him

dash move is a burst option that also clanks with all of Marvin's projectiles

it's like Jerry except there's no cooldown

[finite blaze]

Yeah it feels impossible to really approach them

They do however get smoked in the short range in the air. You can beat out their fair with most anything

Small bubble helps with keeping em out of nair range

[vestal pine]

there's no way they fixed marvin's dash. LOL

it's still only hitting twice mostly.

[fringe trout]

And the main issue, the nonexistent speed, wasn't touched

[vestal pine]

I've labbed at 0, 40, and 108% and 70% of the time it only hits twice. it's.. laughable. lol.

[mystic tinsel]

IKR, I almost got 3 stocked 😭😭

Bubble’s scream can reflect the projectiles

[tawny plaza]

They should buff Marvin projectiles and stuff and nerf down tilt/air

Not healthy moves

Cuz rn he is just an down attack bot

With some projectiles to help

[fallow beacon]

I think the issue now is that it feels like everyone's taking advantadge of the universal changes more than Marvin. He's still pretty static and spam heavy and it makes slippery chars hard to hit

Like Ive been on the wordt losing streak Ive had in a while cause it feels like everyone is going 3x faster than me and Im not dealing enough damage to compensate

[mystic tinsel]

Marvin can be easily punished and he has a blind spot where he has to move so he doesn’t get hit. The only really killing move is up special right now…

[tawny plaza]

Thats why i say he should get an rework on some of his moves and a nerf on down attack

[mystic tinsel]

yeah

[tawny plaza]

Cuz he is a set up projectile character

[tawny plaza]

Not an down tilt bot

[fallow beacon]

Be marvin, our two hit combos do like 12 damage at most meanwhile everyone else has does like 30 and sets up for easy kills because we're lightweight

[timid tangle]

i just got on to play marvin tonight for the first time since like the end of season 1 and man

they fixed phantom projectiles for the most part

the world is healing

[fast bay]

I was a top 100 Marvin last season and I know Marvin got a lot of buffs but he feels worse in comparison to more characters now🤦🏾‍♂️

[fallow beacon]

like i said everyone else benefit from the movement changes more than marvin because he's largely a static character

[jagged gorge]

it's a good step in the right direction for marv but we still got a ways to go

[finite blaze]

Idk i feel like he's eating pretty good still

Maybe make cooldown bubble faster and hes fine really

[tawny crane]

it's just kill potential honestly lmao

if Marvin could kill consistently sub 120% then he'd be decent

as it stands, it doesn't matter if button opens a few new avenues for longer combo routes
you're still going to survive for an extra minute while the Marvin fishes for a dtilt he will never land

doesn't help that jab-1 > dtilt has been lost now

[tawny crane]

I would not say that Marvin is a down attack bot

dtilt is good but it's not "pay your taxes" good

the move doesn't even kill early unless you're at ledge with bad DI
it's a very good move as a burst option in neutral but besides that not much else

plus the move is pretty easy to punish in my experience

[lost sand]

it is hella punishable

moreso now than pre patch

[finite blaze]

I'll again say that you always have missile that can kill anywhere from 30 to 60 when positioned correctly

And it got easier to play to that win con

[fallow beacon]

Still fairly unreliable as a kill move, on a cooldown and requires setup, cant just confirm into it like Batman or Harley can their kill moves

[finite blaze]

it can take as little as one move to make it happen..

[wheat geyser]

marvin feels great, only other change id like to see is reverse only using a charge when it reverses something, not when just using button in combos

[tawny crane]

that's what I was thinking too

feels a bit awkward using button for combos when it uses up a charge

button resource feels less like resource management and more like RNG now

[spiral edge]

yikes the ppg marvin matchup is pitiful 😭

[fast bay]

it is ridiculous bro

[spiral edge]

is the helmet shake emote not working for anyone else?

[fringe trout]

Yeah
Helmet shake did too much knockback so they went and removed it from the game

[spiral edge]

you cant be serious 😭

[finite blaze]

ok feeling the ground game being a lot worse with the dtilt nerfs esp against some mu's that were harder. I don't get why most of the cast are allowed crazy big hitboxes behind them on their grounded options but marvin's was the exception

for how garbage side 3/dtilt is rn, side 2 should be a lot lot better but it still isnt

feels like it should hit much further in front and much higher above him as well, but doesnt

other than that i really can't complain

still the teammate ladder enabling seplay early kill monster

[lethal beacon]

its been okay for me but thats cuz im fighting mid ppg players

only thing I kinda noticed is that the throw counts as a projectile that destroys bubble for some reason

its weird

[sterile rivet]

i wonder,since i heard marvin can bubble beetlejuices snake for whatever reason,could you bubble one of the ppgs lmao

[fringe trout]

Unfortunately not
It's like Jerry

And every PPG I've faced in 1s and 2s just camps 😭 😭

More than Morty 💀

[sterile rivet]

yeah pfg could be such an interesting char but its litteraly the worst parts of mvs combined

extremely campy

jab bot

like they are either throwing a pfg to grab or jabbi ng

[azure saddle]

Ya the ive been punished off of many dtilt hits, not even wiffs

[spiral edge]

the player first girls 😭

[sterile rivet]

whatever ppg i will consume them all the same

[fringe trout]

Power Planted Girls (they don't move until you come near)

[finite blaze]

Ppg is hard to approach for like everyone in the game

Ppg command grab just always eats missile, really funny

[lethal beacon]

ppg command grab just a be a better version of agent smiths its wild

PPG does have sauce but nobody trying to use it

#combos message

[lethal beacon]

also someone explore this further

[fallow beacon]

at least bubble like, stops the command grab, unlike jerry that just goes through it

Tho its way easier to spam so not sure if its any better or worse

[lethal beacon]

thats cuz jerry is a heavy projectile

it has to be a heavy projectile or it just loses projectile trades too easily

[fallow beacon]

Yeah I know why it happens, Im just comparing the two

[finite blaze]

Yeah it gets to finn levels of "always able to invalidate 90% of your kit" on reaction

[tepid yarrow]

HOW TF DO U PLAY THE JAKE MATCHUP(2nd day on this character btw)

They spam REFLECT

[dim crystal]

Down attack.

[meager drift]

hello fellow Marvin the Martian fans
I have returned from the ancient time of... 3 months ago

I really need to get back on Multiversus and see if Marvin got anything new during the time I didn't feel like playing

[dim crystal]

Button has more range and can better act as a linker.

[meager drift]

nice

[final beacon]

marvin's really good rn, sometimes you might get a 0 to death combo

[severe plank]

I'm new to marvin, anyone know any good combos? I learnt 1 semi-reliable combo jab 1,2, jump nair, turn side air, button, side air :)

[spiral edge]

you might know it already but theres jab 1 2 jump and button i think? and then theres the combination of ground side special plus bubble to give it more range

another one is downair into button

also i love marvin but its crazy how hes a colonizer 😭

[fringe trout]

Dair, button is an instant tech unfortunately
Though if you predict the tech direction, you can land a jab and keep going

[spiral edge]

the best part of the tune squad '96 skin is that it improves the lebron and marvin 2v2s heavily

[raw moat]

worst character in the game its so marsover

[acoustic sail]

You haven't seen anything yet.

[finite blaze]

???

[clear rampart]

is there any way to counter adam as marvin

[spiral edge]

its possible, whenever his bubble's active i try to get in and zone him out with my projectiles from there and whenever its on cooldown i try my rocket

[finite blaze]

You can shoot from inside his fun cancel zone, but generally i think the space you shoukd be approaching/threatening/engaging him is like the 60 degree angle above him. Not a good burst option for him to contest that space while marvin has a much better one in air ssp, which is also great at stuffing out his clap during its start up when he isnt spacing it (aka trying to use it as a reaction).

Air to air horizontally if you are outside his fair range you have that option to click ssp as soon as he starts up nair

You want to play your advantage state in a way that is trying to force his ssp dodge early

[tawny crane]

I think dtilt is fine, I've still hit a ton of people behind me so the hitbox is still massive, it's just actually punishable for once so it's not a dumb spammable safe burst option

I do think he should get compensation for dtilt being slightly easier to punish but it's not like the move is bad

it's still arguably his best burst option

[finite blaze]

it lost some size above the laser itself

so lots of things just hurtbox shift around it for no reason

[dim crystal]

Shock it should do shock, imo

[tawny crane]

that's a bit too much
it doesn't have to pay Marvin's taxes, it's just a good move

[dim crystal]

Tbh I just want the shock attack to shock people.

[tawny crane]

that's fair lol

[fringe trout]

Or... as a cool (new-ish) mechanic... allow down attack (ground and/or air) to be held like in the beta, with accruing damage. EXCEPT, when you hold input long enough, you apply electricity to yourself. Exchange self-inflicted damage for some melee shock damage
The endlag on down attack is pitiful. We should be able to at least hold the input to compensate

[tawny crane]

the endlag on dtilt SHOULD be pitiful, Marvin can't be allowed to have a far reaching disjointed unreactable burst option for no risk

I think the ability to hold it is an interesting idea, the main problem is that I don't think movement is free enough in this game for there to be reliable counterplay without it being annoying to fight against

plus the characters are way bigger now so hitboxes are more annoying to get around

[dim crystal]

Maybe it could interact with bubble? Like hitting a bubble turns it into an electric proximity mine, and bubble during refresh just explodes point blank.

[finite blaze]

The thing is like 90% of the games cast has these kinds of options, multiple even

Im assuming a degree of hyperbole

[tawny crane]

that's more of a problem with the other characters than Marvin tbf

I don't think the answer is to make more characters have annoying options

[finite blaze]

Well thats where the "accepted power level" line you have to derive. If thr majority of the cast has, lets say "overtuned hurtbox shifting" like idk harley nair, dtilt etc / morty pancake-ing /jack's moves in general etc whatever. The characters in the game that lack that just would feel incomplete from the perspective of "these are options we wanted everyone to have at least some of the time.

[tawny crane]

I don't particularly agree, you can definitely make a character balanced and successful without overtuned options
if your point is that the character feels like they're missing something then I disagree with that too, Marvin is not like any other character in the game, he's going to have a different design philosophy

like, if the majority of the cast has overtuned options and a few of them don't, I think the answer is to weaken those overtuned options as opposed to giving the few more overtuned options

just because some characters don't have a 0td doesn't mean they're "incomplete", it means they're better designed

[clear rampart]

love how marvin's been consistently lower tier for so long but the devs insist on giving characters like jack or bugs consistent buffs

sht's not fair at all

[fallow beacon]

Marvin can never be better than just "OK" because a Marvin with high burst and combo potential while being a zoner would be an absolute nightmare for everyone else

He's doomed to be a niche mid to low tier character by design

Not that he doesnt have good options or good matchups, but most of his best matchups are characters around his tier. Anything above is an absolute pain.

...And in hindsight, even some of his best matchups are kinda skewed as just even because he's a lightweight

Iron Giant, big target, easy for Marvin to keep at bay, but if he gets in you die at 60, where as IG need to be at like 180.

[finite blaze]

ig should not be living to 180 marvin can kill him way earlier

[finite blaze]

like... 80

[deep tartan]

solo q with marvin isnt for the weak

top 49 and movin tho

[lethal beacon]

tbh thats fine for him

every fgc got a niche mid tier that serves to be some crazy MU check

for example Rosalina and Luma

or even inkling

but I just be playing marvin cuz bubble is sick

[clear rampart]

im not even upset that marvin is locked into the place that he is

i just hate that they buff already busted characters regularly

or only buff characters in ways that insentivise annoying playstyles

[fringe trout]

Right. Aside from the bugs he feels solid. Reverse rocket launch, phantom projectiles (excluding the recent button fix), double reverse, and up special's hitbox are the issues I notice

It's crazy how characters like Shaggy have hardly changed since launch

[clear rampart]

im starting to think the devs straight up have no sense of balance

there's too many unescusable things in here

like, no smart balancing team lets in stuff like bugs or launch jack

[lethal beacon]

there isnt much to change on shaggy

apart from rage

[severe plank]

is it just me or is black adam a hard counter to Marvin?

[gentle ingot]

I claim this channel in the name of mars!

[fringe trout]

Isn't that lovely, hmm?

[fallow beacon]

Id argue no but that match up is a chess game, more in adam's favor because of how light marvin is

[fast bay]

why the hell is Garnets attacks faster than Marvin’s

[fringe trout]

And free projectile shields upon a kill
Yet another character that can nullify 80% of Marvin's moveset at no cost to offense

[spiral edge]

who do yall think marvins best teammate is in this game? personally id say bugs or taz cause marvin can do the damage while taz can ring out opponents

[potent flax]

they arent

except for tpose

that ones insane

Im actually looking for a good marvin player who can do some 1v1 so i can practice against him as garnet

[finite blaze]

for me i think its bugs / joker / lebron

but anyone with a good ladder / aerial mobility and easily accesible kill power can do really well

my brain has had the itch for a superman marvin comp, think that one has high potential

marvin can put opponents in positions where superman's command grab will just kill super early,

superman has a better anti projectile mechanic than bubble which helps a lot

and superman's edgeguards can bring low percent kills to the team in positions marvin doesn't really have (horizontal)

[meager drift]

Hey does that Marvin and Jason Sleeping Bag and Bubble combo I've seen posted on this server still work

[flint drum]

I think they patched that awhile ago sadly

[fringe trout]

It shouldn't
Sleeping bag doesn't count as a projectile anymore

[flint drum]

it was really funny tho, I wish it was still around
pft heheh

[fringe trout]

Something stated about it in past patch notes

[fringe trout]

#clips message
@acoustic fable I tested this and it's real and replicable. ANY charged attack will "charge" the rocket while it's about to fire. Flag (down special), kick (sair), and up attack all increase the rocket's damage based on charge. If the attack is released before the rocket spawns, no effect is applied

I've noticed rocket doing absurd damage before, even more than when bubbled or when hitting from the back sweetspot. Now we know the cause and can control it. Simply fire an up air before the rocket to get increased power basically for free

[finite blaze]

oh this explains a lot

so when i combo charged kicks into rocket

and it kills at 50 even tho rocket was not midscreen

[fringe trout]

Some of my tests
"Rocket charging"
#clips message

[fringe trout]

Exactly
I've noticed the wild kill power before, no doubt. Just wasn't sure of the cause

[finite blaze]

i probably have a few examples on my medal page

[acoustic fable]

yeah i found that out recently but im suprised it doesnt work with up air

[acoustic fable]

harley, jason, giant, bugs, samurai jack, rick,and taz as well

[acoustic fable]

we need an updated marvin combo vid bro

[fringe trout]

Up air works just the same. Any charged attack charges the rocket

[acoustic fable]

i must be doing something wrong

how long has this been known?

[fringe trout]

Unknown until I saw your clip lol
I knew the rocket would randomly do higher damage/knockback, but I didn't know the cause

[tawny crane]

tbf he's not really even a zoner

what does he zone with, bubble?

he has jab-3 but try doing that in mid range

[tawny crane]

??????????????????? You're kidding me
that's actually huge, is it just as long as you charge at any point while rocket is active??

I'm completely confused why that even works, I wonder if charge increases damage as a whole as opposed to just the move

do we know if the rocket is even stronger if you charge a move twice?

[severe plank]

is jab jab jump button true? seems like people keep using DI to get out of it

[acoustic fable]

yes but di out gets you out of the combo

when they di out use air side special

or dodge in with button

[acoustic fable]

marvin might get taken out of the game once the other mains start exploiting it

he kills ig at 70 with a bubbled rocket

you can even reverse it and still have the multiplied damage

[acoustic fable]

you could argue i discovered the tech lol

[fringe trout]

That's fair
I didn't notice what was new about your clip until someone else pointed it out. Thought it was just showing off the rocket sweetspot (there is no rocket sweetspot) bubbled rocket's power lol

[acoustic fable]

theres a sweetspot?

[fringe trout]

There is no sweetspot, I'm mistaken. Bubble, however will increase the rocket's power and thats what confused me

[acoustic fable]

yeah the multiplier stacks with bubble its pretty interesting

[fringe trout]

It's like free bonus damage, you just have to remember to charge before each rocket

[tawny crane]

eh I don't think it's crazy enough for it to result in Marvin getting pulled temporarily
it's really good sure but rocket is hard enough to hit as it is lmao

they definitely should nerf it though if it kills THAT early with bubble

I'm just worried about them removing it completely cuz rocket not killing at high % is an issue

[fringe trout]

Charging rocket has to be a bug. It just makes no sense otherwise
Though I'm not complaining, someone else will have to report it 🤷‍♂️

[tawny crane]

definitely a bug, which is why I'm expecting a change at some point
I just hope they give Marvin some compensation

also lowkey it's kind of a cool mechanic, maybe keep it but just tone it down a bit
x2 damage is a bit much

[fringe trout]

The rocket only looks at the charge level of your attack as it launches, so you can't charge it twice. If you release attack before it fires, no charge is added

[acoustic fable]

theres nothing that broken about it you do have to commit to charging an attack all the way

[acoustic fable]

its only 1.9x with up tilt

[tawny crane]

ah I see, what happens if you begin charging right when the rocket launches?
will it still update if you keep charging or does it only take the charge level at that precise moment?

[fringe trout]

Once it's launched, no charge can be added

[tawny crane]

I see, so I imagine the strat is to just hold sair at the right time

sair's a lot safer to charge than utilt

[wooden kite]

I wonder how this bug made it in
Rocket wasn’t any different in the beta was it? Like no charging mechanic there?

[frozen holly]

BRO WE NEED SOME EPIC AND LEGENDARY MARVIN SKINS

PFG needs to cook up some bangers for us this season

[coarse sleet]

would've loved a Marvin in an Iron Giant suit for the Halloween event

[acoustic fable]

get the dc universe marvin the martain

[frozen holly]

?

[acoustic fable]

i cant send files so i cant show the one i have

https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&sca_esv=b296caa05b35499c&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1RXMK_enUS1058US1058&sxsrf=ADLYWILuBYforeOivHYnfQKxJO3rJ-BlTg:1727740767735&q=dc+marvin+the+martian&udm=2&fbs=AEQNm0A-5VTqs5rweptgTqb6m-Eb3TvVcv4l7eCyod9RtZW9874wvsYjTfpwMQKGHqKPG-IB7j9flyfH28tJSLVuVdcT1tesPpIhTR_8sOQ3FQrQWiVTfWhoIplDgGh5JzUv9F4u3riMB636EHR41DrkNY_uSRk347tLZsVeJqqyuWPTyXrtg-EYkFQYZqw6rWM1khGHS26HrYFGhj2QeE1uCS-2MrLbBw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjS5OX17-uIAxVO78kDHajHAeEQtKgLegQIEhAB&biw=1536&bih=730&dpr=1.25#vhid=GphIsaxSNDHLSM&vssid=mosaic

good legendary

[fallow beacon]

God that would be a really cool sskin but Im worried the different proportions would make his hitboxes wonky

[wooden kite]

I don’t think it would be too bad for hotboxes

I mean look at animated series Batman
He’s a lot wider than normal

[fallow beacon]

true but he's still essentially a dorito shaped, if that makes sense

[wooden kite]

Are you just thinking the helmet would be too small?

[acoustic fable]

yall

we gotta make a marvin community montage

[coarse sleet]

That sounds fun

[rain horizon]

if you have sauce with marvin i’ll start farming clips

[acoustic fable]

i have a few montages on my yputube

https://www.youtube.com/@moeron123

[deep tartan]

we hit diamond baby

was a struggle but ayyyy

last season solo queue was eating me alive

top 28 marvin in 2s im cool with time to climb the 1v1 ladder wish me luck

[lethal beacon]

for the love of god buff dash attack

idk man it feels like it loses to a lot of stuff

range aint too good on it either

[unique agate]

please give him a kill option

its so hard to kill

[lethal beacon]

killing isnt complete garbage

its just that you gotta get creative when it comes to killing

dash attack just feels dookie because its not really a bad disjoint so sometimes dash attack gets beat out

i kinda wish you could hold dash attack similar to taz’s dash attack

[sterile rivet]

what if they gave him projectile resistance in dash attack cuz his big shoes are so large

that would be prety funny

[unique agate]

bro u just havent been on anything further than platinum

when u are on masters u cant just get creative

i mean you can but the amount of time it takes for you to create a setup the opp already has u on the edge killing you at 80 percent with superman

[acoustic sail]

I love it when I can beat lag switch users with this guy.

[acoustic fable]

W

[acoustic fable]

@molten schooner whats this with the marvin community is it a server?

im moeron123 btw

[molten schooner]

Yes it’s a server lol

I added you hmu brother

[molten schooner]

I love your content btw plz keep up the hard work. Your montages are enjoyable

[lethal beacon]

send me an inv too fr

[spiral edge]

yoooo lemme join 😭 i wanna learn from the top marvin scholars

[fringe trout]

I'll link it in DMs

[fast bay]

Can you dm me the link too

[flint drum]

yo a marvin server
I haven't played marvin in a bit but I'd still like to get in there if possible

[coarse sleet]

marvin server?

if i could get an invite to that, that would be awwwsome

[wooden kite]

If there’s people talking about Marvin as a character and not just in multiversus then I’m interested 👀

[fringe trout]

Invites sent in DMs

[fringe trout]

Mini-compilation, double Marvin 2v2s with wootang95
#clips message

I was tearing up from laughter when we both switched to Y-59 Heat Seekers 😭
So unfathomably chaotic, good thing doubles are blocked in ranked

[visual prairie]

Weird question, but what would be the fastest way to kill Jerry as Marvin?

I feel like I'm always struggling to get rid of Jerry whenever i fight A T&J player.

[lethal beacon]

reflecting a tom tennis ball with bubble kills jerry but thats pretty niche

[visual prairie]

that's actually super cool and i wouldn't have thought of that

[fringe trout]

Sair fully charged takes out Jerry in one go

Bubble + down attack is slower but will block any projectiles Jerry throws at you

[acoustic fable]

dtilt jab 1 while tom is sitting behind jerry like a bum

tom gets hit away and the jab 1 kills jerry

[unique agate]

Hey zah

[unique agate]

I always do ray bubble

[tight laurel]

can someone help me with the button combos 😭 when should i be like squeezing it innn idk

[finite blaze]

Side b it during flight then drift after and side b it again if you think you can land after killing it

Or just land and dtilt

[spiral edge]

great day for marvin mains

(check the shop)

[finite blaze]

hit master with my BG lol

if only i could solo q marvin like that

[tacit wyvern]

Is the trumpet taint bugged?

[wooden kite]

You can play notes with different attacks

[fringe trout]

#combos message
Activate the taunt, hold a direction (or neutral), and input attack or special
There are 8 total notes. Up, side, down, and neutral for both attack and special input

I've identified the notes in the linked message. If anyone has music composing skills, we can cook up some melodies to practice 🥶

Special inputs have notes B, A, and G, so we can play Hot Cross Buns or Mary Had a Little Lamb as a start

[fringe trout]

We got Mary Had a Little Lamb played on a fullly functional instrument in MultiVersus before GTA6 #combos message

[dull scaffold]

Does anyone know how to play Megalovania on the trumpet I need to do something

[fringe trout]

There are 24 notes, not just 8 #combos message

[fringe trout]

You're going to have to race to be first, I've already seen someone practicing it. Basically just a regular instrument but played from your controller/keyboard. It's very tricky and needs practice like any instrument does. Keyboard players like me will be playing literal Twister with their fingers 😭

[wooden kite]

Megalovania
A A GA ↓B B ↑A →A A →A ↑A
A = attack
B = special
G = hold interact button (button for picking up and throwing items)

[fringe trout]

New discovery: the taunt key itself lowers notes an octave, the inverse of the item pickup button

So you have 12 base notes and can raise and lower each by an octave
Which makes 36 total notes

This is insane

[fringe trout]

Controls explained here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MultiVersus/comments/1fzhvg4/crazy_depth_for_a_taunt_martian_fugelhorn/

[lethal beacon]

theres no way we got an instrument taunt

PFG goated for this😭

[acoustic sail]

I need a video of you doing this yesterday

[wooden kite]

#clips message

Luckily I did that yesterday

[wooden basin]

Anyone know how to do the highest note on the trumpet? I can't figure it out

[wooden kite]

https://x.com/chandlercharge/status/1843885044232011982?s=46

You can check out my little diagram I made

[wooden basin]

Thank you :)

[unique agate]

i just bought the trumpet

carried me to top 2

im getting top 1 tonight

[acoustic sail]

How to beat Steven Universe?

[unique agate]

I reached top 1

[fringe trout]

[tawdry rapids]

Lmaoo that trumpet emote is so cool

[meager drift]

Wait Marvin has a new emote?

I must play Multiversus when I get home

[fringe trout]

$10 for a fully-functional virtual instrument or $10 to unlock a gremlin

[meager drift]

Does the gremlin option relate to Marvin in some way?
Cause if not then I'll take the fully-functional virtual instrument

[acoustic sail]

I can play Megalovania every time I take a stock.

[fringe trout]

Hardly anyone lets you play
Like two players out of 20 this morning
You start playing and immediately they start swinging

[fringe trout]

I've made a Google Doc detailing the controls of the Flugelhorn with a collaborative song combo section at the bottom
If anyone is interested in sharing your tunes or learning the notes, DM and I can share the link

[sterile rivet]

MARVİN EMOTE İS SO GOATED

holy 1 k gleamium tho

ngl still worth

[opal lynx]

Can you do one for the multiversus theme?

[fringe trout]

The jingle?
Here is the combo. A is attack, S in special, • is neutral movement

↓A ←A ↓A ←A •S ↑A

[visual prairie]

Any time i try to pull it out in a match it's like a signal for anyone and everyone to start attacking me

Marvin did nothing wrong :(

[meager drift]

crap, I only have 20 gleamium
I can't get funny trumpet

[acoustic sail]

I got it on sale for 900

Best financial decision of my life

Well... except College

[visual prairie]

Reject college, embrace Marvin.

[acoustic sail]

Why can't I do both?

[visual prairie]

You can but Marvin is cooler

[acoustic sail]

I mean, College will test my brain and allow me to gain a better understanding of my preferable subject, and playing Marvin tests my brain even further and allows me to play Megalovania mid-match.

[visual prairie]

True....

[wooden basin]

College = Job = Money = More Marvin Stuff

[visual prairie]

I didn't think about it this way

Forget my previous statement

[vivid heart]

How good is marvin exactly with his projectiles if u were to use them outside of repeatable combos

Im new to him cuz i wanted to try other mage characters since im a tom and jerry main and bought marvin and rick as a duo pack get a understanding with other mages playstyles

[severe plank]

is jab jab into air button true? Seems like everyone uses DI to get out of it

same with jab jab into air neutral

[coarse sleet]

You can di out of them, but you can jab jab aerial side special if they di

[fringe trout]

People seem to fall out of jab jab jump button quite often
jab jab dodge button is more consistent

[acoustic fable]

someone has to play rush e with the flugel horn

[fringe trout]

I've figured out macros, and have written a python script to convert music notes to the game input required

Get the notes and it's 100% possible

Only limit is the max speed you can play in-game

[acoustic fable]

is there an ab note

[wooden kite]

There are 2 a flat notes
Just missing the highest octaves a flat

[acoustic fable]

ive finally hit daimond

[unique agate]

ggs

[acoustic fable]

would yall want a megaman skin for marvin?

[acoustic sail]

We need instructions on the Trumpet taunt

[fringe trout]

I have a collaborative Google Doc that thoroughly explains the controls and lists instructions to songs, would you like a link?

[acoustic sail]

hmm...

okay

[acoustic fable]

https://youtu.be/r7xailA0xOA

IAD fair combos with marvin

[fringe trout]

I've never used IAD sair much, mainly because it is THE hardest button combo on keyboard
Speed is similar to jab, but the kick covers more space and still combos into button. Trade some extra dodge meter for a larger combo starter

[acoustic fable]

fair is actually 2 frames faster and has a bigger hit box and combos more consistantly arguably his best move

also i highly respect you for playing on a keyboard and not a controller

takes true skill

also its marvin's fair is his fastest move at frame 13

[fringe trout]

Fast... frame 13...

[wheat geyser]

Please allow button to retain its charges, it should only take a charge when a projectile is actually reveresed!!! 😳

[acoustic fable]

in his kit its fast buff marvin

[acoustic fable]

wdym like the charge of a projectile when it is reversed with a button? i never knew that it resets charge on a projectile

[fringe trout]

This would be a buff just as good as the recent phantom projectile fix, though you can still get phantoms in certain scenarios

[fringe trout]

When you use button it always consumes ammo, regardless of whether or not there's a projectile in play

[acoustic fable]

yeah i didnt do that in beta especially since buttin got buffed to a better combo tool

[wheat geyser]

this!! it's such a huge quality of life buff if this happens

[tight laurel]

He need a huge narf

[acoustic sail]

narf

wait...

[tight laurel]

He just spam

Tell me u are on top of him and he does attack on the bottom how does it still hit u

[acoustic sail]

Projectile

[fringe trout]

Up attack also does INSANE knockback

[tight laurel]

@acoustic sail no it be a straight lazer going down

[acoustic sail]

Your body must have been inside Marvin then.

[tight laurel]

No I be above him

[fringe trout]

The shocked body is part of the hitbox too, not just the beam at the bottom

[flint idol]

@grizzled wren From ragequitting to camping and still losing lol, gg wp

[grizzled wren]

@flint idol you were the Morty?

You got bailed out 😂

Not dead at 140 is crazy

But ggs that was a sweaty fight

[acoustic fable]

most logical mvs hit box

[robust gust]

@grizzled wren sorry i forgot to toast, GGs

[grizzled wren]

@robust gust ggs

[south gazelle]

Hey guys~
I'm a Garnet main but I love playing Marvin in 2s!
I'm editing clips from matches I've played this season, feel free to give them a looksie when I post them later this week!

[final beacon]

@unique agate laggin?

[unique agate]

You're teleporting across the screen

[final beacon]

ah man, sorry for the lag

[unique agate]

I got 160 Mbps so it's not my fault

[final beacon]

mine aint any better cause im playing with a vpn

[unique agate]

Why are you using a VPN?

[final beacon]

cause my region got banned

[unique agate]

No offense but I hope they don't let VPNs on tournaments, cuz I'm doing fine on the rest of the matchups and I passed from 3-1 when it was decent connection against u to 1-3 cuz you're either teleporting from side to side or I suddenly lock in place

U still a good jack main tho

[final beacon]

agreed, good thing i dont play tourneys

[final beacon]

thnx, youre button combos are pretty cool btw

[south gazelle]

#clips message

One of my favorite clips from last season

Encapsulates my general playstyle with Marvin

[fringe trout]

Burnout combos are too funny

Move tier list in #clips message
Also up for edits: https://tiermaker.com/create/multiversus---marvin-the-martian-17595446

[wooden kite]

#cosplay message

Marvin cosplay for Halloween that I made!

[brave remnant]

Why did they ruin Marvin wth

[supple socket]

0 damage

[south gazelle]

I just played the best Marvin I've ever played in my life

Y'all are gonna love this clip when I'm done

[unique agate]

who?

[south gazelle]

I was referring to me, I was playing at my very best, lol

Still stockpiling clips as I wrap up the season

almost Master with Garnet

[unique agate]

ohh lmao

[south gazelle]

And there we go

gonna spend the rest of the week editing clips and goofing off in casuals

[unique agate]

bro why is up special so useless

[dry ferry]

You mean the rocket or the horn?

[final beacon]

Which version

[fringe trout]

Yes

[golden root]

yeah

[fringe trout]

I assume he means the melee attack
Slow startup, endlag, no head hitbox so it visually clips often, poor knockback

[dry ferry]

It's got no purpose outside of a potential combo out of dair at higher percents, and even then it doesn't even kill that well at all

[fringe trout]

It's pretty much our only finishing attack for vertical kills 😭
At LEAST the hitbox should be tweaked

[golden root]

its very fun to get air dodge read with it but yeah. doesn't mean its good. it could really use a hitbox buff so its more consistent. its silly that getting a dair at high percents still requires a correct read for a pretty basic combo

[fringe trout]

A few examples of his giant head going straight through enemies. The actual hitbox is only around the hands and trumpet flugelhorn
#clips message

[golden root]

GOD YEAH. exactly with the first video. being able to DI out at 130 as a light character is insane

wait i dont even know if that was DI

point is its bad

[dry ferry]

It needs a head hitbox at least. Boost to knockback definitely would help as well, feel like it needs more consistency as a finisher

[fringe trout]

While many characters got stronger attacks, up special became weaker at release 💀
Beta up special, while still weak, seemed better at netting kills

[final beacon]

Yes🗣️

[unique agate]

The normal one

Not the rocket

[dry ferry]

We manifesting Marvin buffs today?

[south gazelle]

lolno #clips message

[fringe trout]

Clearly you have never seen up special clip straight through the enemy

[south gazelle]

I dunno where you guys are having these issues with up special, I've gotten a lot of mileage out of it

[fringe trout]

It does it's job; however, looking at it's hitbox, startup, endlag, and knockback, it's one of the weakest melee moves in the game

[dry ferry]

How we feeling about patch notes?

[rustic inlet]

Marvin

Ground Side Attack 1
– Hitbox active duration reduced 1 frame

Ground Down Attack

• Damage increased to 9 from 8
• Knockback increased to 1500 from 1400
• Knockback scaling increased to 18 from 17

Dash Attack

• Final hit damage increased to 9 from 7
• Base knockback increased to 1750 from 1600
  ~ Knockback angle on all hits made more horizontal to improve consistency

Air Neutral Attack
~ Now limits fall speed during attack recovery

Air Side Attack

• Uncharged damage increased to 7 from 6
• Uncharged knockback increased to 1600 from 1000
  – Knockback scaling reduced from 21 to 19
  ~ Knockback angle made more diagonal
  – On-hit branch window delayed 1 frame
  – Hitstun reduced
• Now maintains more momentum during attack start-up

Air Down Attack
– Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit above Marvin

Air Side Special
~ Hitbox size adjusted to better match visuals
~ Now limits fall speed during attack recovery

Air/Ground Neutral Special
~ Now limits fall speed during attack recovery

Air/Ground Up Special

• Fixed an issue where the Rocket projectile would occasionally inherit the attack properties of Marvin’s charge attacks

[fringe trout]

Charged rocket is no more 😭
Enjoyed using the cheese while it lasted, stole so many kills with it. Marvin had kill power for a short while

We'll see how sair impacts gameplay. The increased knockback may hurt combos, but it kills 60% better from the looks of it

[south gazelle]

These are insane changes, holy crap
Not a big fan of the air side attack change though, it's gonna be even harder to combo

[median falcon]

They gave Marvin the goods

[median falcon]

The combos he had weren’t as worth it if he couldn’t kill off them. With this it should be a suitable way for him to kill in the air

[dry ferry]

Is dash attack actually usable now?

[south gazelle]

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This was my bread & butter man 😭

[unique agate]

Can Marvin still button loop?

The knockback is gonna make it impossible for it to combo button into kick into button

[dry ferry]

You can technically dair button and then read tech but I can't even button into jab at all

Also the Raven matchup is not fun at all. She can absorb your projectiles and rocket, and her rage mode deletes you so early

[unique agate]

You can do that before this patch u could do jab 1 jab 2 jump button kick button into jab 1

Idk after tho

I'm not at home rn

[unique agate]

If you use button well u can fake projectile in and then change it after the attack is done

[dry ferry]

Yeah I do that a lot, still get rekt. Guess I just gotta learn the matchup, she just came out today after all

[dry ferry]

I tried that, most of the time button bounces them too high for jab to hit

[unique agate]

Istg if the button loop combo doesnt work anymore

[unique agate]

At low percentage it doesnt

Hoping for the best, I think that what they did is increase the knockback so that a fully charged kick on the button into charged kick combo on ledge actually kills and reduced knockback scaling so that there's not that much knockback on uncharged kick to keep doing combos. But that's the best outcome possible out of this

Either that or they just butchered Marvin's combo game again for 600 knockback

[fringe trout]

Kick isn't comboing as well
For a kill move, up special needs more power (and a logical hitbox). Marvin is not a horizontal fighter

[deep tartan]

letting marvin go as of now

just cant compete with the top tiers sure you can still make certain things work but button combos are janked now up special still cant kill for nothing let alone if you can even wind it up to hit someone had fun with him while i was on the grind, peaked top 20 with him in 2s and 50 in ones but just so much you have to do with him with rarely any reward when someone can just get the same outcome in a few buttons

[unique agate]

I got to grandmaster 36 w him but now that button loops are over idk if I'll stay w marvin

[stiff stag]

@sharp silo ask here!

[sharp silo]

Alright

Asking a genuine question, but I’ve been finding more success with the better kill power

Yet I’ve seen many top players complain and say Marvin has become worse due to them not improving his up special and instead going for is air side attack, which has broken some combos

I don’t fully understand at this point whether or not people think Marvin has gotten better or worse cause it seems to be such a hot or cold thing

Personally I never used many combos in the air, so maybe this buff just feels better for a player like me, but I’d like to ask, what’s everyone’s opinion on Marvin’s current state?

[fringe trout]

Sair change breaks a few combos. Other than that he's pretty much the same. Static Electricity is viable now, and Marvin will benefit from it for sure

[visual prairie]

it is? i might consider it then tbh

[storm ridge]

whats the best big perk to get on marvin?

[visual prairie]

Signature? Space Invader.

[grizzled wren]

I don’t like the marvin changes tbh

Gameplay feels weird

Lost a lot of combo game

They just need to buff his up air and fix the hit box

Up special me

I mean

[sharp silo]

He got kill power

Keep that

And buff or fix his up special

[acoustic fable]

you just have to be agressive off stage with fair you can kill at 90 now

he has new combos with air side b im still figuring them out

[acoustic fable]

rage bait if ive ever seen it lol

but tbh i dont see the vision of marvin as a character they buff his combo game and hurt some of his kill power with dtilt in season 3 then in season 4 they improve his kill power with his fair, dtilt, and dash attack but they nerf fairs combo potential and i just dont see where pfg is going with this

improve up tilt as a combo tool bc it will be an out of sheild move for marvin and i feel like it should be faster to make it a good out of sheild option

also make dash attack a single hit move so that there's no more consistency issues

[fringe trout]

Plus the random jab nerf, active for one less frame
Only guess I have is that it better matches the visuals, goes along with the hitbox reworks

All I want is a stronger up special and bug fixes
Actual buffs are a dream at this point lol

[fringe trout]

Two bug reports, give them some votes so they can be seen
I found the cause of the rocket firing backwards occasionally: https://multiversus.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MVS-5666
Apparently the helmet shake can't be cancelled: https://multiversus.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MVS-5691

[lethal beacon]

havent touched this game in a bit

but the fast fall changes feel so good

[sharp silo]

They are the best thing about this update ngl. Feels great to mix up and follow up much faster

[lethal beacon]

he just feels sm better with the fast fall changes its great

[sharp silo]

He got his KO power buffed too

Also posted a clip

Fast fall really helps him finish

[acoustic fable]

i have a video i never finished with both of those bugs

and more

[unique agate]

Sair buff has destroyed the best combo Marvin had and the best thing we have now is button tech reads

Only way to compete with top tier spammers is spamming yourself

[unique agate]

🧐🧐🧐

[acoustic fable]

no more IAD fair combos

https://tenor.com/view/spunch-bop-spongebob-crying-cube-mr-krabs-gif-19973394

[unique agate]

We gotta approach w smth and you're not getting close with the jab

[sharp silo]

Best option is aerial down tilt

[unique agate]

That's more for reads, rn we can only push w air side special or dodge-in button

Don't y'all feel like side special is jankier?

It felt way better pre season 4

[sharp silo]

It feels the same, but more stronger

[fringe trout]

Something feels off. The endlag bug is still thing

[dry ferry]

Yeah sometimes for no reason each jab hit takes a million years to come out

[unique agate]

Something feels wrong abt it, I don't like using it anymore

Idk

[sharp silo]

It’s not a good combo tool, but instead a good travel and finisher tool

[unique agate]

It's mostly defensive since the attack is active in a lot of frames so unless your opponent has range your attack will win, but if you're having problems to ring out it can ring out at 150 or so

[sharp silo]

Button is gud offense

[acoustic fable]

that move is frame 15 and is the shortest jab in the game

[fringe trout]

Meanwhile Samurai Jab has like the longest AND quickest jab

[sharp silo]

Nah that’s Agent smith and shaggy

[dry ferry]

Marvin's jab is slow and anyone can easily jump over it. Smith's jab is fast and literally hits people on platforms above him. Makes sense to me

[acoustic fable]

yerp

[dim crystal]

He feels like garbage without the speed perk for real.

[potent flax]

@grizzled wren gg

[grizzled wren]

@potent flax who dis

[potent flax]

garnet

[grizzled wren]

Ah ggs bro

[potent flax]

idk how im supposed to counter marvin

hes too small to hit

and all my startups are too slow

not to mention how bad my dodge is 🥲

got any tips

[grizzled wren]

Whiff punish and dancing pretty much

Spark and fist can help avoid my approach if I don’t have big bubble

That last stock I went crazy tho ngl 😭

Unfortunately that map is small so it was in my favor

[potent flax]

i literally couldnt do anything

even if i dodged i would still get hit because her dodge is so bad

[potent flax]

also couldnt even touch the ground to make a move

and if i tried using sing to stop projectiles i wouldve got hard punished

[grizzled wren]

Some garnets have used dancing as bait then hit me with a dodge jab

It works sometimes

[potent flax]

its actually so slow i couldnt

especially on that map

and when id catch u in air i couldnt punish with jab cuz it only covers her torso

[potent flax]

also her dodge jab is terrible

[potent flax]

nvm i was informed its unwinabble 😭

[acoustic fable]

bro buff marvin

[fringe trout]

We're getting GTA6 before Marvin buffs

[dim crystal]

🥺

[lilac crane]

Cooked

Fir mars

[frozen holly]

If we go 4 seasons without an epic or legendary Marvin skin, I’m gonna go crazy

[sharp silo]

Yeah, Marvin has some good costumes that he could have. Especially from Duck Dodgers and the World of Mayhem game

[dry ferry]

Star Pharaoh marvin would go crazy

[sharp silo]

Marvin Fudd, Gentleman Marvin, and even that one Peru Marvin would be amazing

[lilac crane]

Bro poker marvins right there

[lilac crane]

Show marvins some love mvs

[fringe trout]

At this point just delete the line of code defining phantom projectiles and I'll be satisfied

[sharp silo]

That’s what I meant with gentleman Marvin

[lilac crane]

Damn ok

Thanks for the recognition

[dim crystal]

The Green and Tan color not showing up is criminal. Like it literally requires no model changes.

[acoustic fable]

make a Megaman skin for him it would fit marvin

[frozen holly]

Idk if Nintendo would like that

[fringe trout]

Literally just requires a texture recolor, c'mon

[lilac crane]

That's a great point

Give us something like they already made the mayhem variants in a similar enough style before just add some new animations and it's perfect

Marvin phudd would be so tuff

[wooden kite]

Marvin Fudd is also an outfit he has in Duck Dodgers so 3 in 1 reference

[acoustic fable]

you mean capcom or does nintendo own the rights to Megaman too

[wooden kite]

Mega man is purely capcom

[acoustic fable]

capcom does not care about megaman he's been in so many other games

[dim crystal]

It would probably be in Multiversus best interest to stick to characters you can't get anywhere else. (

[acoustic fable]

are you talking about the Green shirt, Brown helmet color variation because that could honestly be a great uncommon skin

i dont see it being a rare skin honestly

[sharp silo]

Marvin in duck dodgers has a pirate costume

We already have golf costume, so that’s taken care of

He also appears in a maid outfit which would be hilarious

I also came across a Peruvian Marvin in one of the more recent shorts, so that would be very cool as well

Maybe Old Man Marvin too

[dim crystal]

Was thinking about monster costumes, it might be left of field but I think Marvin could pull a off a Robot Monster (Google it) costume.

It's like an ape with a robot head.

[sharp silo]

Might be cool

[acoustic fable]

that would be fire

[lilac crane]

Hooper marvin
Poker Marvin
Marvin phuddd
Retro marvin
OPZ Marvin
Marvin manhunter

These would all be great

[wooden kite]

Wdym hooper marvin

[lilac crane]

I'll dm it to you

[dim crystal]

I wanna perk to detonate the ship.

[lilac crane]

Interesting

So like it creates an explosion but doesn't shoot the rocket

[dim crystal]

Either or. Wait for rocket or just blow up ship

The rocket needs to be there for bait

[lilac crane]

I could see that working it'd be a good counter for people who break my ship

[lilac crane]

I don't think the rocket needs to be any different and instead just we have the option to destroy our ship and not get the rocket

But if we don't destroy it the rocket still happens

[dim crystal]

Yes

[lilac crane]

I do get sick of people attacking my ship

[dim crystal]

And even if we had to trade rocket, it would make a decent kill move or edge guard

[lilac crane]

Yeah it would make beating campers so much easier

Cause we could corner them with it making them choose between getting blown up or engaging a fight

[dim crystal]

Yeah, then if the ship could be bubbled

[lilac crane]

Wait that's actually genuis I think button should be the self destruct move

[dim crystal]

Yes

Of course that means you can't send it back

[lilac crane]

This is actually a great idea to bad fpg hates marvin

[lilac crane]

Seems like a fair trade off tbh

[neat burrow]

who the frick is Magichelmet? that guy makes Marvin the Marshin seem like a S-tier character

[lilac crane]

Don't know is he a youtuber

[neat burrow]

I have no idea, but bro was godlike I swear. he had numbers on the end of his name tho. he was in Testing Grounds 1v1 like, 3 or 4 hours ago

[lilac crane]

Damn that's crazy

[neat burrow]

is it you? lol

[lilac crane]

No but from the sounds if it I wish

[neat burrow]

i thought he had numbers on his name

this is him tho

https://tracker.gg/multiversus/profile/wb/62dba8b74e291ad638cfe07b/overview

surprisingly he's not GM

[lilac crane]

Huh interesting plat peak making marvin seem s tier is kinda wild

[neat burrow]

no joke. he should be put in a Nakat tournament

[lilac crane]

Damn

[indigo beacon]

what's the best perk id imagine it's the one that lets you aim the up attack even in air

[dry ferry]

Yeah that's the best one imo. I've seen people also use the 3 rockets one but that one sucks since people can just destroy the ship

[plucky hornet]

reply to this or dm me if you see this and want to play marvin 2v2s

[grizzled wren]

Let’s do it

[plucky hornet]

I just dm’d you

[lost sand]

triple rockets is good against people where you want some extra pressure or surpress the amount of pressure they're giving out.

It doesn't matter if they're trying to destroy the ship though (unless it was poorly placed to begin with), it technicly gives you a short time to hit them back while they're distracted with taking down the ship.

I think each sig perk on marvin has their own niche uses, but upair aim one is generally the agreed on being the best one of these three.

triple rockets is bad against characters who can reflect projectiles though, triple rockets lose their heavy projectile properties.

[grizzled wren]

I’ve hitten some nasty clips with triple rockets

I’m used to using triple rockets so if I used space invader it would take a long time to get used to

[lost sand]

I personally like to switch between all 3 sig perks depending on who I'm facing.

[plucky hornet]

What's your strategy behind which signature perk gets picked for which matchup

[lost sand]

I'm usually a fan of the button perk even though most would find it not so useful. I try to run this one as much as I can, which is usually against people I can easily hit with projectiles. Those who rarely (or never) have options to negate them.

I usually pick space invader against characters that are easy to hit in the air or people who like going aerials above you a lot. Superman and IG are pretty good examples for this.

As for triple rockets, it's eitheir against people who have ways to easily shut down your big rocket or people who can apply so much pressure on you. I almost never use triple rockets against people who can easily reflect it. Triple rockets' also something I would pick a tad more often if I was playing 2s instead of 1s.

[acoustic fable]

space invader is actually has some iad combos at early percents with button '

[acoustic fable]

the button perk is good in 2s with another mage

[lost sand]

True, although I presume that this requires a lot of synergy work, ya?

[acoustic fable]

yes i reccomend using VC with your partner

[acoustic fable]

space invader also opens up a lot more ways for covering dodges and making reads

[spare zodiac]

Is Marvin in a good state right now? I haven't played him since season 1 and he seems pretty fun worth picking up as a secondary or should I wait for his (likely) mid season buff

[acoustic fable]

he lost a lot of his combos with the fair cang e

[fringe trout]

Much better than Season 1 with the button changes, but still lacks vertical kill power and has numerous bugs/issues

[sharp silo]

Not the best, thankfully not the worst either. Could use some help still ngl

[fathom venture]

Marvin's button is kinda good besides projectile redirecting ngl. I forgot it can be used for combos

[sharp silo]

It’s the only thing he has for combos at this point, and it’s more following up then anything else

Marvin I feel like could benefit from a weight increase

Just saying

[lilac crane]

Helmets gotta be heavy right

[golden root]

rock lee style weights in his big ass shoes

[rustic hedge]

Nah, they just that big

[acoustic fable]

all the stuff he has in it yeah

[indigo beacon]

how many saucers does he have in there

[lilac crane]

Should I do a yt video where I calculate marvins weight

[indigo beacon]

Yes

[lilac crane]

Someone's gotta

Mvs can't figure it out

[acoustic fable]

he has enough muscle mass to throw a sun

[lilac crane]

True but that's pure toon force

[acoustic fable]

ok nah hes 76 pounds

look it up

[lilac crane]

Yeah but is he really

That ain't official I'll come to my own conclusion

[acoustic fable]

the sair changes made it even worse

[molten steeple]

my goat marvin

[acoustic fable]

Ok marvin mains mid-season patch is coming up next week and how likely do you think marvin will get buffed

[dim crystal]

Random nerf, with no explanation.

[fringe trout]

So far we got phantoms halfway fixed and a bigger button hitbox
Anything please

[sharp silo]

Just some less lag on some moves being inputted, fixed hitboxes for his up special, and some better combos

[acoustic fable]

make up tilt have a faster angle speed

[acoustic fable]

improve his vertical killpower

make his normals faster or larger

jab and fair obviously

give him a projectile he can reliably zone with

[fringe trout]

What if bubble was chargeable again, except its speed depends on how long you charge
Quick tap gives you a slow bubble, fully charged would be quicker
And maybe reduce its cooldown

[acoustic fable]

take away the cooldown and make so you can only fire one big bubble at a time

hear me out take the cooldown away from grounded side b

and just make so you can't loop it like TnJ's up tilt

[fringe trout]

Imagine spamming rifle on ledge though 💀
Just reducing the cooldown should be enough

[molten schooner]

Aghhh

Marvin Is My GOAT!

[lilac crane]

Bro ain't you quit

[lilac crane]

I fw a chargeable bubble holdup

[dim crystal]

WW can do that already

My problem with side special is that it requires you to throw away a capture to give it range. And that it does nothing during cooldown. He could stab forward with the barrel or something.

Same with flag it should do a splash attack.

[unique agate]

Bro can play both games at the same time, choosing to focus more rn on rivals since mvs is on mid season doesn't mean he can't play the game anymore

Atleast I'm gonna be on both communities

[lilac crane]

He said it himself

There's nothing for him to do anymore

[unique agate]

He said he's gonna start maining marceline

So he'll prob come back in seven days

[lilac crane]

Maybe your right but personally don't think he even wants to

[unique agate]

Also no disrespect to rivals but the hype isn't gonna last more than a month

Rn the game it's on its peak

[lilac crane]

Maybe but it looks fun and the player Count is up its the most watched game on twitch

[unique agate]

We'll see, if PFG comes to their senses, bring unique non-dc characters, fix bugs and balance the already broken characters and brings more game modes then this game might still have a chance

[lilac crane]

Isn't it concerning to you that multiversus never had a peak the game died after a week

[unique agate]

Well yeah but I can't do anything about it

[lilac crane]

Hope is not enough

[unique agate]

If I could I would have already done it

[lilac crane]

I personally love the idea of multiversus but the execution is Sub parr

I can't play with my friends

The character I play gets destroyed by everyone

The devs don't care

The maps are not great

The only thing holding this game together is nostalgia

[unique agate]

Then play another character or understand the character and get better w him like I did

But still

We need a buff

I cant keep killing gizmos at 170

[lilac crane]

No I'm not coming back to multiversus until they fix these problems

[unique agate]

They're Abt to bring mid-seasom changes tomorrow, stay updated for those

Marceline still gonna be taking place on the 17th

[lilac crane]

They gonna make.it so I can join an American custom without lag worse then the results of pearl harbour

[unique agate]

Yeah the lag problem still massive, but that might be bc of regions or wifi

If I start getting laggy matches I check my internet that for some reason went from 200 to 90, fix it and usually it goes back to normal

[lilac crane]

I'd have to play fortnite with people from the moon to achieve that level of lag

[unique agate]

I think too that the servers are trash but it isn't total garbage

[unique agate]

Who are you playing w on multiversus

Lmao

I get from hardcorefox which is on a different region and it's fine, bros fighting santa Claus from the north pole

[lilac crane]

Use never played with more than maybe 5 people from the server cause my game lags when I try

[unique agate]

Bros gonna fight the real Marvin the martian from mars next

[lilac crane]

And not understandable lag like full on teleportatioj instant transmission type lag

[unique agate]

Yeah I've gotten those

Usually from Asia which should be better than the us

For some reason