Jake The Dog

[crude reef]

and it actually made skateboard useful

[thorn zenith]

Skateboard is more like a flair to my moveset, using it when my opponent is disoriented

Was it??

[crude reef]

yeah it was

[thorn zenith]

Didn’t know that

Well skateboard can’t be an approach tool

There’s too much whiff

That’s why it’s a flair for me

[crude reef]

and they secretly removed the invulnerability from jake’s up air 2

wasn’t mentioned in the patch notes

[thorn zenith]

Tis a shame but it’s to be expected when it’s reworked to be something more powerful than it was

[crude reef]

just wish they cared a lil more about jake

[edgy cloak]

Meow

[safe dock]

Nair and bite 😭

Hes super op and braindead in 2s needs a nair nerf and hes fine

Hes not banned

[thorn zenith]

2 LOL

And the ones that are meant to kill aren’t that reliable

[safe dock]

2 is all you need tho

And upair kills pretty early

[thorn zenith]

True…

I’ve been making a new combo thing where I do nair + up air into ground + up tilt

It’s pretty consistent if you can get the enemy to the ground far enough

[safe dock]

Nair up air up special into kill

Is great

Or my favorite kill confirm

Nair 1 nair 2

[thorn zenith]

That’s ur best reliable kill option

[thorn zenith]

#clips message

I put it on the general census

Like every encounter I have with those characters

[crude reef]

bite doesn’t really kill anymore ever since they removed jumping for it

gotta get them to like 150

[safe dock]

Bite is killing super early offstsge still

[crude reef]

that’s true i guess

[thorn zenith]

#clips message

[prisma flower]

What is this even ranking?

[thorn zenith]

Jake matchup

[prisma flower]

I meant the one above

[thorn zenith]

personal ranking

agree or dont idc :p

[prisma flower]

I’m just confused with that one cause you ranked bottom S and top F

[crude reef]

how come ppg isn’t in f tier or at least c tier?

[thorn zenith]

just read the tiers

[prisma flower]

So you think Jake, Velma, and Reindog are top tier? That is crazy

[thorn zenith]

no the other way around

thats the stereotype tierlist

[prisma flower]

Oh ok

[prisma flower]

Yeah not gonna lie this game can be pretty boring. Like the lack of expression kills the replay ability for me.

[brittle jackal]

I want to find an optimal way to use bounce house but the perk is awful when sticky is what allows him to kill

[marsh linden]

He is not banned, but he is in the cross hair for being banned from professional events.

Just because they say they will ban Jake doesn't means he is inmediately banned from everything, he will just be in the debate talk for future tournaments before getting to a conclusion.

Just like Shaggy and Iron Giant, IG need at least 5 patches before the decision of being banned, and shaggy needed 2 full seasons.

[safe dock]

me when i make stuff up

[crude reef]

#clips message

@glad dagger

lemme win pls

[glad dagger]

sorry i wanna at least hit master

[crude reef]

ggs lol

teammate and i was stressin

[glad dagger]

ggs

idk why i'm not that good

[crude reef]

nah you played carefully

[edgy cloak]

I thought Jake had get side nerfed with the last patch but I’m happy to see that he actually got buffed, very glad to see it

🐈❤️

[boreal tide]

Sticky sucks imo idk what they did but uo special is so inconsistent now

[edgy cloak]

did that perk really got changed? nerfed?

[crude reef]

that’s what i’m sayin

i hate whenever i stretch upwards and go for a up air they literally go the opposite direction

[boreal tide]

Not that sticky got changed the move it was for got changed

[boreal tide]

Fr can't even use it for edge guarding without accidently saving opponent😭

[edgy cloak]

Oh I see :((

[edgy cloak]

So they Changed it to let it be more uncomfy? Yikes

[boreal tide]

Can't predict where it sends people

[edgy cloak]

Ill have to try that later, jake n cake are my secundaries

[edgy cloak]

😭 Nooo

Maybe they Changed it in that way to avoid that jake can do a early kill

You know the up special + both up attacks

[boreal tide]

Probably

But then they changed nair

[edgy cloak]

Will be harder now but neutral + special are very good now to lead damage

[edgy cloak]

What have they made to it? 😟

[boreal tide]

What is now can kill so early

Have 0 to death so many times cus of it

[edgy cloak]

Yes it got way too good

[edgy cloak]

Yes I believe you bc it leads +20 of damage just being two attacks connected and also it pushes away people SO far

Horizontal kill assured

[crude reef]

i noticed it only sends them the way that the opponent is facing

so if they are looking right while you’re stretching upwards they will go upper right

it’s still kinda lame tho cuz you’d need fast reaction time

gotta change it to the way that jake is facing and not the opponent

[thorn zenith]

#clips message

[edgy cloak]

Ohh really? Nice, thanks for telling us

[edgy cloak]

Yes

[brittle jackal]

Jake's up special feels fun to use without sticky time to time.

yeah it removes a kill conform but sometimes Jake will just carry the enemy up with him when timed right and makes Jake have a alright edge guard tool

[frail merlin]

guys how the heck do I deal with nair combo spam im sick of losing to nair spammers

i feel like such an idiot losing to it 😭

[edgy cloak]

yes

[edgy cloak]

try to parry or have the first interaction, watch out!

[edgy cloak]

😦 dont treat you like that pls the game is hard

[steel inlet]

it's overtuned rn and hard to deal with

if he hits u it's a free 25% if he whiffs and u maybe get a punish u wont even deal a fraction of that dmg

and nair is also a good enough kill move

[edgy cloak]

exactly

[edgy cloak]

its ok to dont know how to deal with that attack, jake wasnt played before so you dont really know whats good to avoid/contrattack it

[steel inlet]

nah i think the finn jake mu is just bad

[frail merlin]

thx for the tips guys

[brittle jackal]

the best way to deal with Jake's nair is to either use armor (that isn't the followup attack), use a projectile, use a disjointed attack (Finn's up attack as an example) or just don't approach him at all

[strange cedar]

==============
The History of Jake:
👇👇👇👇

• 1. Annoying Beginnings: Originally, he was one of the best characters in beta release. People would constantly spam his nair and he was well hated. Players could also get a free Cake skin for Jake during beta release.
• 2. Halloween Havick: A calico cake skin was released for Jake in an event. Unfortunately it was so grindy to get that few players could purchase him through the event without grinding for literally dozens of hours.
• 3. The Fall of Jake: Upon full release, he sucked for three seasons straight. He was well hated for not being OP, but for being too bad this time around
• 4. The Ultimate Troll: MV dropped the Calico Cake skin in the full release S3 Halloween event. The same skin players had to play for months to unlock could now be unlocked almost instantly. All that work was for nothing.
• 5. Redemption Arch: Bro became balanced and is now as of Nov 24, 2024, getting back to his original state, feels good to play, and is getting banned from some types of professional MV tournaments
• 6. The Uncertain Future: It's uncertain if he will get nerfed, remain the same, or increase to his original OP status like beta. Only time will tell

🗿

[thorn zenith]

chapter six the what future

[brittle jackal]

I'm surprised Jake is considered being a banned fighter

[drifting swan]

I see a lot of people saying this, but how? The move wasn’t buffed this season it’s the same as last season I’m sure

[steel inlet]

Because no one was playing him, now pros woke up and started picking him up and showing that he's good

[muted lance]

You know what maybe I'm just too stupid to use Jake properly, if people are saying he's supposed to be good again

[steel inlet]

just nair

that's all

[thorn zenith]

Play stupid

I do that by doing side/down special, only to say SIKE, and punish them with like nair or fair

[boreal tide]

Far from his original state lol nair merchant

[woven kite]

We are never beating the nair merchant allegations 😭

[edgy cloak]

that´s actually so smart LOL

uwu

[wet flicker]

I blame the developers for making everything so grindy

[fresh rapids]

There's NO WAY they still haven't fixed jake

[thorn zenith]

hes good

[wet flicker]

its weird, so like in 1s he is just mid. in 2s he is actually broken. expect horse abuse like crazy now

baxter armor + nair spam is very strong

however baxter spam requires a partner that is aware of the battlefield. tried it last night with my buddy and he was clueless all the time

[edgy cloak]

he is more decent, feels playable

[glacial violet]

did they make him slower??

[keen mesa]

Do yall have tips for playing neutral with jake?

[keen mesa]

Specifically in 1's

[midnight fog]

nair

mix up the special after nair, mix in some dair or sair.

Turn your back and upsmash, mix up the timings and use it to bait or punish approaches.

mix in horse approaches, and use fake horse approaches to keep them from adapting.

[muted lance]

How do you fake horse

[shell venture]

Damm they really make this character busted

Its really cool to see this character being op

[edgy cloak]

being playable and worth it* :3

[shell venture]

Nah bro his op

More the nair into the hammer

That thing kills at 70 sometimes

The character is busted and it's really cool

And not cool at the same time

[edgy cloak]

are you sure about THAT 🧡

[edgy cloak]

Yes bc of the nair + sair

[edgy cloak]

😭 But jakies and cakies deserve thiiis! What are you talking about? :3

[shell venture]

Ofc i am i was on clip chat and they said they even bam him for tournaments

[shell venture]

They deserve it

But there's other characters that deserve it too

T&J now is freaking dead probably the worst in the game they nerf the hell of the character

And he didnt got buffed in any way

Lit we are killing at 150 or 180 on average

We got 1 combo then all are situational

Our only universal true combo its jab 1 into d tilt

Then all our combos are stage, percentage, weight and hitbox dependent

We got 0 kill confirms

[edgy cloak]

Oh :0

[edgy cloak]

Oh yeah they also need some help

[shell venture]

Every possibility of killing its unconsistent

The no jerry state lit makes you the most lame and worst character at the game

While you kill at 180 you die at 50

[edgy cloak]

Oh what a mess, your killing confirm moves got nerfed?

[shell venture]

And jerry can be one shot by every character super quick while they are in the air

[shell venture]

We have 0 kill confirms

[edgy cloak]

Will take so much skill now 😦

[shell venture]

Ain't about skill

Complementing the fact that we have no kill moves

Like everything just kills at 180

[edgy cloak]

TNJ is very weak and light character 😦

[shell venture]

I connected an up air recently near to the blast zone at 120 and it didn't kill

I died at 70 also

[edgy cloak]

What happened to rocket Jerry and fishing Rod? :((

[shell venture]

Rocket jerry its impossible to hit and also it doesn't kill

[edgy cloak]

Idk TNJ really seems hard to play actually

[shell venture]

You can di to avoid death till your like at 140

And fishing rod its just trash

[edgy cloak]

Yeah I believe you '((

:'(*

[shell venture]

Way to much startup frames and while your charging it your vulnerable to being rushed down

[edgy cloak]

Oh no...

[shell venture]

T&J was really good on season 3 at the beggining

They deleted every combo tool

[edgy cloak]

Yes you can be easily killed bc of how fast characters are now

[shell venture]

Like the paddle into jerry shot waesnt an problem

People now knows how to avoid paddle and its really easy

And jerry its really easy to one shot

He got to be bottom 1

If velma is not worst

Idk about her

I hope they give back T&J paddle into jump branch window

Also add paddle repetitive lockout

To not combo into itself

[edgy cloak]

Jerry is very destroyable to be fair

[shell venture]

And also adding more kill confirms and combos

[edgy cloak]

She actually is lol 😭 she cant really "zone"

[shell venture]

Who is worst?

[edgy cloak]

Yeah

[shell venture]

Bc like velma can kill confirm easily

Down special into down special and up air or just one down special into up air

[edgy cloak]

I would say velma bc Tom and Jerry have good meelee indeed, velma well is very slow :((

[shell venture]

Like velma atleast its strong at killing

[shell venture]

They don't have good meele

[edgy cloak]

Oh dear 😭 actually no

[shell venture]

They nerfed him even more

Jab its trash

They universally nerfed it

[edgy cloak]

Kinda, but looking for kill confirming isnt easy everytime, people know how to dodge everything we do 😭

[shell venture]

I think T&J it's worst

Like velma could confirm at 120 or 110

[edgy cloak]

I mean, they are faster than velma if you know what I meant :'3

[shell venture]

T&J needs freaking 150 or 180% to kill

And you can die lit at 50

[edgy cloak]

I hope the game can get really balanced 😦

[edgy cloak]

Depends on player skills actually

[shell venture]

Also paddle on whiff it's like 20 frames of whiff

[edgy cloak]

Well yes they need to get a better kill confirms move right?

[edgy cloak]

Whiff is killing our characters

[shell venture]

More T&J

He got insane whiff

Like he ain't recovering

Also racket its really slow and reactable

Also very punishable

[edgy cloak]

Trying to zone with T&J isnt worth it right now neither

[shell venture]

Like on my opinion velma it's just better

[shell venture]

Ye

Nothing it's worth it playing T&J

[edgy cloak]

Would you like to try her? :'3

[shell venture]

Lit just drop him

[edgy cloak]

Ooooop

[shell venture]

I did she ain't that bad

You can kill confirm easily with jab 2 into down special then up air

Or you can lit steal an kill with the freaking mystery van

That's really od

[edgy cloak]

Maybe you can switch to her if you like, I would love her to be kinda different, is hard to me

[shell venture]

Nah bro

Like you only need reading

She's not as bad as T&J

She can't confirm and combo better than them

Even the zoning ain't that bad

[edgy cloak]

Thats a read combo, her jab is something that I dont recommend trying to do

[shell venture]

Like you have an auto aim bubbles

[shell venture]

Is not an read combo at all

[edgy cloak]

If you have +75 of damage thats a kill confirm in fact

[shell venture]

Like jab 2 into down special and another one its true

[edgy cloak]

I see

[shell venture]

If your like under 100

[shell venture]

The only stuff of T&J it's lit only one

Down air and is not even that good

Down air as an ledge trap it's for me the only good thing the character has

[edgy cloak]

Yeah but those are to avoid your opponent getting into you, not recommended for zone actually, just for start a "combo" and for take your opponents away

[edgy cloak]

The hitstun is not hitstuning at all let me tell you 😖

[shell venture]

Bro you cant complain that much we got freaking 0 combos

I would be greatfull

They ain't caring about T&J

They just want them death

[edgy cloak]

Down air as a spike, yeah thats their best move

[shell venture]

And thats all

Then he's lame

[edgy cloak]

Dont take it personal plox plox plox

[shell venture]

Bruh hahaha

[edgy cloak]

Lets wait for patches :((

[edgy cloak]

Will you switch characters or something?

[shell venture]

Lit in the moment they change one thing to make him an b tier

People skill issue will start to fill the chat with complains

[edgy cloak]

Ill stay playing velma, Im the problem, velma is ok

[shell venture]

They ain't complaining bc they now the character is worst than trash right now

[shell venture]

I stay playing T&J

But its too difficult

[edgy cloak]

You know, that is what happened to our van

😦

[edgy cloak]

Same same

[shell venture]

What happend?

[shell venture]

Like he should be like bugs

T&J

Give him combos

Kill confirms

And reading tool

Also reset groundbounce options

Like Bugs

Bugs its really skilled and good right now

I wish they do similar changes to T&J like bugs

[edgy cloak]

they nerfed it too much, its easily breakable and worst than before for 1s

[shell venture]

That's lit what happend to us

[edgy cloak]

right? they gave bugs too much things 💀

[shell venture]

No

He got his bat nerfed

[lofty crystal]

It actually exists now, but it can't cheese at 0 damage

[shell venture]

They gave bugs good reading tools

[shell venture]

Finally

[edgy cloak]

just bc of all their buffs, bc the character is uncomfy but VERY VERY worth it, too easy to lead damage

[edgy cloak]

we r praying dont worry :C

[shell venture]

No bro

[edgy cloak]

really?

[shell venture]

Hes ain't that easy at all

Bugs its skill for me

[edgy cloak]

so sad so unfair :/

[shell venture]

Yes

[edgy cloak]

his kit had always been good

[shell venture]

They make him and reading character and its really good

[shell venture]

Like now he's an set up and reading character

Fair for me

Takes lots of skill

Bugs its made for reads now

[edgy cloak]

yeah actually yes, but all that is worth it, not really worth it for velmas or TNJ

[shell venture]

Also to be fair velma deserved those nerfs on the van

That thing was cheesing at 0%

[edgy cloak]

good omg

[shell venture]

I lit died way to much times

[shell venture]

They need to make T&J similar to bugs

His skill bc his trash

[edgy cloak]

I see

[shell venture]

Theres an difference between Bugs and T&J

Bugs its skill but an good character too

[edgy cloak]

it would just killed you if you were dumb and jumped into it 😅😭 LOL

[shell venture]

Bugs give you all the tools that you need to use him to read and 50/50

[edgy cloak]

bugs is not too much trashy

[shell venture]

Also to set up

[edgy cloak]

a lot of differences

[lofty crystal]

Bugs is still priviledged as all hell, he's just not mash to win

[shell venture]

I'm referring to T&J on that part

[edgy cloak]

ohh okiee sorry

[shell venture]

Bugs rewards you if your skilled

Like he's the character that gives you every single tool to use all of his potential

He can read, 50/50 and set up

Hes the perfect character for skilled players

And thats how T&J should be

Not lit bottom 1 or 2

They didnt know how to manage the character bc it was so different to the rest

[edgy cloak]

ofc yes

[edgy cloak]

every character should be fair

[edgy cloak]

very different, right

[lofty crystal]

He still shouldn't be getting away with over half of his kit

Between tunnels, safe, rocket and up air

he's definitely allowed to get away with more than he should

[shell venture]

Now nubia its really broken

[shell venture]

He can get that away with safe you can dodge it then rush

Also rocket dont give him any tool to escape

Only tunnel is the only one

And you can predict it and hit him

[edgy cloak]

she in fact is broken omg

[shell venture]

Bruh

I didnt want that

[edgy cloak]

:((

[shell venture]

Another wonder woman

[wet flicker]

Baxter is so good. Having a partner that knows the visual cue is a game changer

[strange cedar]

I'm here to declare we need more Jake skins. Whose with me ✊✊✊

[thorn zenith]

I miss the Tony hawk underground reference with jakes skateboard

Where it’d say “radical” “rhombus” and “mathematical”

[steel inlet]

Nair

[steel inlet]

????

Unreal

[woven kite]

Ignore that guy he was downplaying tnj when he was braindead broken too

[steel inlet]

Hardcorecope's disciple

[woven kite]

that gogeta fellow unironically called tnj bottom 1

[thorn zenith]

@desert wind ggs

[shell venture]

The problem was that the combo was chaining into itself

[shell venture]

@woven kite He ain't broken his lit bottom 1 or 2 it's either velma or him

He got 0 combos, 0 kill confirms everything is unconsitent

He kills at 150 and 180 if is not using dair cheese

And he has the worst disadvantage state with no jerry

He got only dynamite and its just an tiny stun

He got no tools on ledge trap

No tools on neutral without jerry

No anti airs at all

And paddle its giga nerfed

Now its easy to avoid it and if you whiff, you have like 25 frames of whiff to punish

Also jerry its so easy to kill now

Every character can one shot jerry aired really easily

So i dont think it's just downplaying

Also you can di paddle into up air and side air

And di paddle into dtilt

Around 100%

So they can't hit you and try to kill

Like he ain't that good he's probably an bottom 2 or 1

Hes having an bad time with this game meta, he has no tools to be good

And people still says that is downplay without trying the freaking character

Theres nothing for them and it would never be

People are just crying bc they got ptsd when the character was broken

Now his just trash

[steel inlet]

😆

[shell venture]

Ain't happy bro nah man🫤

[mental thorn]

I just came across one of y’all who literally ONLY used that stupid nair > axe swing armor break move the whole match.

Died at like 60 twice.

Even when the nair didn’t land, they still used the axe swing afterwards.

[safe dock]

bro just hit a nair

[thorn zenith]

im genuinely depressed

like i have so many clips of me being depressed

because this character is making me hate myself so badly to the point where i cant do this anymore

[thorn zenith]

im sorry for that outburst im just really upset with jake and my terrible game sense

its me not you guys

[woven kite]

Didnt you say jake was strong as hell when s4 dropepd

[thorn zenith]

I just can’t keep up with grandmasters

He’s bad is that what you wanted to hear

Is that what you wanted to hear is it that he’s the worst character in the game are you happy now

[woven kite]

Nah i wasnt saying that

[woven kite]

Understandable

You're also top 3 jake rn right? Are you gonna grind to #1?

[thorn zenith]

No dude

I’m back to top 5

Im not going to one

Never

Because I can’t figure out how to do Jake anymore I fell off

There’s no point in grinding either

I’ll get 4 rp and lose to a grandmaster 72 spots ahead of me and lose 19

There’s no point

Don’t ever and look at these words carefully

Do not play ranked with Jake ever

Because if you do there’s a good chance you’re going to end up hating yourself just like how I am right now

[woven kite]

This is just the fate of us jake mains

We just gotta power through it somehow

[thorn zenith]

We can’t don’t you see

If we get one bread and butter everyone else is going to complain

Because they ignore their bread and butter and whine about us

We’re done it’s over

We’re stuck in a box of irrelevancy where if we even lay a stretchable finger out it gets cut off

[woven kite]

Type shi

[thorn zenith]

I came into this update happy

[woven kite]

Last night I seen people complain about jake axe being overpowered and broken

[thorn zenith]

Now I’m just sad and depressed because this character is worthless

[woven kite]

Like bro just hit his extending arm

[thorn zenith]

Wow it’s almost like they can see the axe and dodge it and punish accordingly!!

[woven kite]

Even a wet fart interrupts that move

People in this discord just love spreading anti jake propaganda

[thorn zenith]

Then just don’t pick up Jake

[woven kite]

Hes a high effort low rewad character

[thorn zenith]

No one pick him up

Stop playing Jake forever

He’s a waste of your time

[woven kite]

I go through this kinda existential crisis when I play hm too in ranked 1s

[thorn zenith]

It sucks

[woven kite]

Glad to see I'm not the only one 😭

[thorn zenith]

At least you can relate

I literally won the last 2 rounds because I was so out of it

Like I wasn’t moving or wavedashing or anything

I just stood there and just put out moves and it worked

Besides the point

Don’t play Jake

Ever.

[drifting swan]

Just don’t play him competitively tbh

[steel inlet]

He places well competitively wdym

[drifting swan]

Well I meant grinding him daily on ranked but if ur talking tourneys then can u give examples

[steel inlet]

Well he placed top8 in the 7.5k tourney

And moices also got a top 8 in 1s

Frosti

[woven kite]

i think moices and aeris won a 2s tourney too iirc

as jake n raven

[shell venture]

Nair dont kill and its easy to punish and dodge ain't worth it

T&J is not jake

[safe dock]

He is not high effort LMFAO

[woven kite]

brainless nair spam is for noobs

[safe dock]

Ok but its more optimal

[woven kite]

Good players can just space it out and parry it too

that only works at lower ranks

[safe dock]

I play him in tourney and so do others

It is not that easy to space out or parry

[woven kite]

damn

you got it then

[safe dock]

I beat girthquake and his teammate with shields on using only jake nair

No other move

[woven kite]

damn thats pretty sigma

well that move is a little too busted in its current state

nair 2 deals too much kb for sure

[safe dock]

I also found out horse in teams is so absurdly broken

[woven kite]

YEAH

4 seconds of armor

they nerfed the 4 sec of armor from bite but forgot the horse

[safe dock]

4 seconds of armor no cooldown and teammates can use it out of hitstun

[woven kite]

I been abusing that today

[safe dock]

And in the middle of a move 💀

[woven kite]

wait really

[safe dock]

You can get ur teammate out of hitstun

[woven kite]

thats busted

I'm gonna try that out tmrw gang

thanks for letting me know

[steel inlet]

No it dont😭

Nair is just like that

[woven kite]

its really that cracked?

[steel inlet]

25 dmg off of a low risk move that also kill

Yes

[woven kite]

Damn

I'm not evil enough to spam that all game sadly

[gusty flicker]

Jake S tier

[glacial violet]

how does one do the jake horse tech thing

[safe dock]

What horse tech

[idle lichen]

im in daimond 3 and people are still spamming that and winning hes so annoying rn

[glacial violet]

theres a way to make your horse go backwards or pretty much move anywhere but ive only seen top jakes use it

by that i mean like 2

idk how they do it

[safe dock]

Bind right and left special

And just use that and go backwards

Its really easy

[glacial violet]

damn really??

[woven kite]

i have left and right special bound to my right analog stick

moonwalk horse works really well

[hidden frigate]

just came back after a while away and jakes nair is busted right now. wtf are they thinking

[woven kite]

Yeah its been like this since midseason 3

[hidden frigate]

was the move not fine before? did it really need a second armor breaking follow up that hits behind them and does 23 percent lmao

[woven kite]

They made nair 1 into nair 2 true as well in most situations if you get groundbounce

I dont like that nair sends people downwards now

You could be more creative with combos using old nair

[hidden frigate]

seemed like jakes nair was already one of his better moves. i dont see why they would change it

[pearl rain]

Can they do something to make this character more interesting than a nair spam bot?

Nair 1,2 dealing 25 damage, being an armor breaker, and killing at 100 just makes it so much of a “do everything” button

Especially when sair is still pretty easy to whiff punish

[muted lance]

27

[wet flicker]

37

[flat mortar]

47

[boreal tide]

I think they changed nair to get rid of nair bite

[clear jay]

Dang why didn’t yall say Jake was so unstoppable in 2’s his neutral into up special kills so easily it barely takes any effort to catch stocks with him 🔥💯‼️

[distant smelt]

23

[woven kite]

20 👅💦

True

Why have you been tweaking since s4 release though on a side note

[crude reef]

fr

[muted lance]

I've been spending more time watching adventure time since MVS came back out than playing the game lol

And I just finished the entire series + distant lands + Fiona & Cake the other day

[woven kite]

Apparently hes broken in 2s rn

[lofty crystal]

So basically

they just wanna whine and scream

otherwise they would've just left the server and stopped playing

[crude reef]

seems like it

no one is forcing him to play or stay as a jake main

[thorn zenith]

yea

[prisma flower]

Movement in this game feels so jank to. You either slide around or are stuck in a cutscene during the long animation. There is a strong lack of being able to effectively control your movement and position yourself unlike other games

[wet flicker]

I find the most annoying thing about the movement is that I should be on the floor somethings and it still gives me inputs like I am stillon the ground.

[clear jay]

Jake is super strong this season it’s crazy how well you can just spam his neutral air and up special and get easy kills I just love it

[covert parcel]

jake and strong in the same sentence 💔

[faint rivet]

he lowkey has a few good moves

[thorn zenith]

define good

[clear jay]

Yeah he has his air neutral and air up special that can kill at 75 it’s been done a lot of times

[pearl rain]

1. Nair 1,2 does 25 and kills at 100 and is difficult for many characters to punish
2. Uair 1 now consistently links into uair 2 which kills absurdly early
3. Down angled sair kills off stage at 0
4. Bite is still a grab that kills at 100-125
5. Up special (especially with the perk) can lead into uair 1,2 for super early kills (sub 40)

The only thing really holding Jake back imo is that his jab is mid, but it can still connect into dtilt for ground bounce combos, so it’s not unusable

It’s time to stop gaslighting people into thinking Jake is irredeemably bad because he just isn’t anymore. At least in 1v1. I don’t really play much 2v2

[clear jay]

Facts Jake is actually a really good character that most people don’t play but it’s been a rise of Jake players this season. Jake players just say he is horrible because it’s a fact that actually acknowledging how good a character is especially with certain moves that can be spam and used to kill consistently at low damage will get him nerfed as he actually really does need a nerf but Jake is definitely an A tier character at the least

[pearl rain]

Yeah ngl I’ve been low key struggling a bit in the matchup because I actually need to learn it instead of just autopiloting and winning

It also doesn’t help that Shaggy lost his best kill confirm and the jab hitbox adjustment just made it so even more characters fall out of his jab now

But that’s a separate issue

[distant smelt]

then genuinely quit playing

quality of life is improved 100x whenever you stop playing and engaging in a community for a game you arent enjoying anymore

around the time you describe how playing for an hour disgusts you is when you should just like, drop it. youre not having fun anymore, you dont have to stick around

[lofty crystal]

Note how I sent that message 4 days ago

Bro has nothing better to do in their life

No wonder they keep coming back to whine about the game

[muted lance]

At this point I mostly buy new skins for Jake whenever they come out, because I like his character even though I struggle to play as him correctly

I've mostly settled into playing BG or Smith or even Jason

No, I'm not a "meta hopper". I just felt the need to play as Smith because I literally have the matrix skin and I like his moveset

[thorn zenith]

1. If the opponent gets beyond a certain percentage (dependent on weight/build of character) Nair 1&2 can fall out consistently
2. Uair 1 while having a lot of stun, cannot get into Uair 2 that consistently unless at higher percentages, it also doesn’t help when if your opponent dodges and you go for the second hit, they can dodge it again
3. Entirely dependent on weight, map, and if you crit or not
4. No it doesn’t? DI plays a heavy factor in that sort of thing, and again weight (guaranteed kill is 180)
5. This is true

[clear jay]

Oh yeah Jake is definitely top tier and easy to play is big punch, Nair and air up special is so disjointed it can hit from anywhere fr yall really been getting away with murder and swear Jake is bad Jake is super strong

Jake is incredibly broken I don’t see how Jake players could’ve ever assumed that he was bad in any way the guy has so many strong attacks that take high priority

[safe dock]

i dont think hes a top tier in 1s

[clear jay]

That’s because he doesn’t have a teammate to save him from the whiffs of his moves but even still he’s like B tier in ones but definitely to tier in 2’s

[safe dock]

Hes top 3 in 2s

[clear jay]

Definitely so cause the range he covers and the insane damage he can do by just spamming his 2 air moves is crazy honestly

[safe dock]

And horse is the best support move in the game

[clear jay]

I didn’t know that a teammate could ride him too to make it last longer and give more hits. It’s a lot to Jake that a lot of people down play when overall he is one of the best characters

[thorn zenith]

keep in mind everyone this is one person saying this, compared to the multitude of people who play him competetively saying hes bad

in 2s hes a great character, not so much in 1s

[clear jay]

Yeah this game was based around 2’s. So all the characters were made in likeness of what would be good in team play. I just believe people that play him think he is as cause you can’t just spam the usual 2 moves in 1’s as you can in 2’s cause you don’t have a teammate to save you from the whiffs and misses that Jake can do and they get punished for it. As you said Jake is great in 2’s but not so good in 1’s just because the usual 2 moves doesn’t always work and skill and actual thought has to be used lol but that’s just my opinion lol

[safe dock]

A little more than great

Like needs to be gutted to the ground broken

[keen mesa]

@thorn zenith and all my other pro jakes. its possible to chain neutral air into dair right?

i saw g3 do it on a stream but i havent been able to replicate it

[thorn zenith]

Possible, but very unlikely and not considered a good option

[keen mesa]

noted

[thorn zenith]

The best approach you have is nair, and if your opponent is fishing for jabs, dodge upward and use dair x2 + nair/nspecial/up air (high percent needed)

[keen mesa]

thanks man, you're the 🐐

icl been having trouble in ranked recently

ppl just dont wanna approach anymore

i try to nair bait, but as soon as the move is done, they rush in with jab, or whatever

[thorn zenith]

Delay your landings, would elaborate but busy

[keen mesa]

thx for the answer. would super appreciate if you could when youre less busy

[thorn zenith]

Got some time to summarize it

Delay your landings. Save your jumps and dodges, use moves to safely land, whatever. Just think of it similar to King Dedede in Smash, where he uses his extra jumps to delay his landing which can trick opponents and cause Dedede to punish accordingly

Jab reliant characters will struggle with landing themselves, so try and be as aggressive as you can because they’ll be more focused on landing than inputting attacks

[keen mesa]

never played smash, aside from ninja storm, this my first fighting game. but i do appreciate the advice

[keen mesa]

ok, ok

[thorn zenith]

Another thing is respecting your distance, I usually do it by doing a transformation fakeout. It’s basically either inputting side/down special, which causes the opponent to predict where I’m going to land. Knowing this, stop using the special inputted and punish the read

[keen mesa]

yh, i try to do this as well

very helpful for baiting

[thorn zenith]

What else do you need

I got the whole somewhat idea

[keen mesa]

i think im good for now

wanna try out a bit of ranked this evening

[thorn zenith]

Ight, I’ll be here for tips n tricks

[keen mesa]

but super super grateful

[thorn zenith]

No problem man

[keen mesa]

i WILL make it to masters this season

already made it to top 30

[thorn zenith]

Ey I’m a gm, you’ll get there

Just don’t destroy yourself though

[keen mesa]

yh, i saw the screenshot, its why i tagged you

[thorn zenith]

Radical

[keen mesa]

figured you would have the K N O W LE D G E

[wet flicker]

whats it like to have your GM taken from you by someone else grindin?

[thorn zenith]

It feels fine, I achieved my goal, and I’m happy with that

Can’t stay at the top of the mountain forever

[woven kite]

How do yall deal with superman grounded upspecial?

Superman players just cancels the move for free when they see me charging up my counter to that move.

[safe dock]

Bite him

[keen mesa]

This. At the apex of the up special, he's the most vulnerable

[keen mesa]

im back for more knowloedge

campy wonderwomen

what's the play while fighting them?

also made it #25, lets go

[thorn zenith]

Respect their distance, wait for them to dodge, if you can figure out the dodge distance, you can pressure your opponent into flinching to where you can punish accordingly

[thorn zenith]

Armor crush

[keen mesa]

bet.
Also, is it better to just not approach them in general?. when i try to get close, they start jumping around and whatnot

[keen mesa]

dude, why is jake getting nerfed?

[woven kite]

A second jake nerf has hit the tower

[keen mesa]

why though

there are SO MANY other characters that need tuning

why are they neutering jake?

better question, what are they giving him to balance that out

sure, nair is annoying to deal with. but thats his best move

and now youre choosing to neuter it without giving him anything in return?

[woven kite]

this is player first games studios we're talking about

[forest yacht]

they only nerfed jake? xd

[woven kite]

do you think the balancing team can even form 1 coherent sentence

[keen mesa]

yh, i dont get it

wonder woman, smith, ARYA

nope, jake is the problem

[woven kite]

my grandma can do a better job at balancing than this

[keen mesa]

HE'S the real issue

[woven kite]

nair woman gets a slap on the wrist. smith gets buffed

[keen mesa]

you know what, forget it

we move, we'll adapt

but it's not fair

[woven kite]

just business as usual for us

we been getting this treatment for the last 6 months

[keen mesa]

im just over it man

is what it is, i guess

ill still hop on after maintenance

[woven kite]

atleast we have shields now

[wet flicker]

wait so they legit ruined jake AGAIN?

just saw the jake nerf. seems kinda wild they added so much whiff when the move already has a ton of whiff

jason gets buffed though lol

[glad dagger]

marceline next week fr can't wait to main her instead

[woven kite]

Jake feels so terrible

Missing nair gives you 10 years off whiff now

Oml

[thorn zenith]

So now we have no safe options whatsoever

Sounds great

If I pick up this game and I can’t even punish a simple dodge I’m rallying this game to get closed down

[woven kite]

They made dodge cancelled moves cost no extra dodge meter too now

Lots of braindead approach gameplay now

[thorn zenith]

Ah so jab spam is evident

[woven kite]

Now dodge cancelled moves only cost the same as a normal dodge

I think this will end up slowing the game down

You have to anticipate these quick approach options and shield them ig

And you have to play passive for that

Jake nair has the basically the same amount of whiff as skateboard now

[thorn zenith]

Oh isn’t that just taking the p### out

I’ll retire this dog game istg

[woven kite]

Why does every other chracter have 0 commitment and can cancel their moves with dodge

While im in 10 years of whiff

Taking away jakes nair makes him unusable in air

[faint rivet]

cuz they hate adventure time characters

[woven kite]

Dair is useless as an aerial tool

[faint rivet]

the skateboard?

[woven kite]

Upair is good if someone above you

[faint rivet]

nah its a good move

[woven kite]

Sife air takes 10 years to charge and aim

[woven kite]

You cant use it when you are being rushed down

[faint rivet]

oh

i thought u meant in general

[woven kite]

Its okay in general

I mean jake has no way to respond to pressure from opponents now

[faint rivet]

he only ever had a few good moves and they just nerfed 1 of them

[woven kite]

They gutted it

Like there is almost a full second of whiff

On nair 1

[faint rivet]

its so bad now holyyyy

[woven kite]

I just got double 3 stocked by a guy i used to not struggle with at all

[faint rivet]

i js tested it out

[woven kite]

I had a batman at 199 and i couldnt kill him

[woven kite]

Yeah

[woven kite]

Like

Nair is a move where you have to be close to opponents to hit.

If you whiff it you are in prime punishing distance and you're locked in the animation forever

[faint rivet]

jake was alr below average why nerf

[woven kite]

[faint rivet]

they coulda buffed some other move

[woven kite]

Yeah literally

[faint rivet]

im only a semi jake main but this too much bro

[woven kite]

If someone knocks you up into the air and they chase you when you are above them

You are actually helpless now

Only option is to dodge

[thorn zenith]

Drop the game Yall

This isn’t something we can adapt to

[woven kite]

Yeah I've had enough

[faint rivet]

dodging against half the crew makes u die bro

[woven kite]

That one guy was right all along

[thorn zenith]

If everyone stops playing Jake then they’ll do something

But no pay us first games fumbled

[woven kite]

@brittle sphinx you were right all along

[thorn zenith]

I’m not going to suffer and lose mental health over Jake

[woven kite]

Man you wont believe what just happene

[thorn zenith]

I’m waiting till next patch I’m playing pillar chase 2

[woven kite]

A batman just kept upair and upspecial spamming me

And with nair in its current state we literally have to counters to pressure from below

Only option is to dodge until you hit ground

[woven kite]

Cant charge up sair downwards in time and dair gets outprioritied by any upair and upspecial

[thorn zenith]

Just close the Jake thread man

[formal nymph]

“Welcome back Jake”

[glad dagger]

atp you really just have to be so much better than your opponent to win with jake

they think he's the only character who needs whiff apparently

like i said before i suggest everyone move on from jake to play marcy

[formal nymph]

i honestly cant wait for marcy

[crude reef]

haven’t been able to play the game for the past 2 weeks due to my playstation not turning on

it’s saddening

but now seeing that jake getting another nerf is worse

it’s clear that they don’t like jake at all

[glad dagger]

from everything i've seen so far she's going to be really skill expressive and fun so def a good pick for adventure time fans and as a switch from jake

moreso my opinion though cause i don't like playing finn much and banana guard is fun but really basic

[bright plover]

I read the patch notes not too long ago. I feel sorry for yall. Jake was the last one to deserve any kind of nerf on this roster.

[copper dawn]

Is it me or does Jake feel so much smoother 😁

[woven kite]

I'm gonna touch you where the sun dont shine 😛

[pearl rain]

Marceline’s house?

[woven kite]

Close enough

[safe dock]

Hes back to bottom 1 sorry boys

[safe dock]

He was a top 3 character in teams

Cause of only one move

Fair nerf but other chars shouldve been hit too

[frail merlin]

its crazy to me that arya dodges nerfs AGAIN, and they decide to nerf jake man. Granted, he did spam his nair a crap ton but thats really because most of his other tools werent good or safe enough to utilize aggressively

like

you cant just nerf his stuff and leave him with nothing dude like wtf

that was like one of the FEW things he had that made him at least relevent

and now its gone

but arya, wonder woman and agent smith are practically untouched

nice job devs

at least shields are in I guess????? doesnt really change much though

[deep plinth]

Not Jake my boy 😔

He's feeling bad

Getting my ass kicked way more this patch

[thorn zenith]

#clips message wake me up when its over

[formal nymph]

Yea might be time for a new main game.

This is ridiculous

[thorn zenith]

I'd rather play tic tac toe with myself man

its more interesting than grandpa puppy simulator

[wet flicker]

the nerf was not good. it was targeted at the right move but executed wrong

nair just feels nasty now. just like a lag move. its actually gross. so weird

[copper dawn]

All they did was nerf his nair 💀

Was this character that carried by one move?

[safe dock]

Yea

Players were too

[keen mesa]

Yes. now he has no safe or reliable way to push

[oblique rampart]

UNIRONICALLY YES

[copper dawn]

You play reindog if they gut his sair?

[oblique rampart]

i was just playing against a rick i would of had no problem fighting before now its imposable because i have no approach options.he could just doge into jab most of our kit cause its t slow, cant use
nair 2 to catch him cause of the whiff window

[safe dock]

I mean yea?

[copper dawn]

Like sair would send up and you can’t combo into it anymore

[safe dock]

I want sair to send up again 🙏

Jake nair still combos

Just dont miss it

[copper dawn]

Like straight ⬆️

[safe dock]

Honestly a buff

[copper dawn]

Cap

[oblique rampart]

buff???

[safe dock]

Reindog sair

Not jake

[oblique rampart]

my bad

[copper dawn]

No more Sair - sair - airsidespecial

[safe dock]

If sair sent up i get sair upair 🙏

But why are u even asking

Im not carried by one move

[copper dawn]

Hm

[safe dock]

How do u know i play reindog wtf

[copper dawn]

I watch tournaments

I saw u play a superman i think so

[thin karma]

the devs appear to be mentally challenged so jake is near useless again and feels so floaty, meanwhile garnet can still do 80 dmg in one second

[crude reef]

also forgot to mention his dumb hurtbox that’s making him die earlier than he should be

they literally made all of jake’s moves punishable after whiff it’s actually crazy

[forest yacht]

nice going pfg, nerfing his only good move 😂

[woven kite]

Nair 2 definitely needed a nerf but they went about it completely wrong

[deep plinth]

They needed to give him a buff somewhere else to compensate imo

[woven kite]

Dont bother using common sense. Its a foreign concept over at pfg studios

[distant smelt]

i wish they just gave nair 2 a weaker cooldown version after it successfully hits, like rick's up air that you can still use on cooldown but its way weaker

something genuinely did need to be done about it because you could spam nair 1 and 2 over and over all match and whiff it as many times as you wanted because eventually it WOULD land a hit and apply insane amounts of knockback so you just had to spam until you hit it like 2 times and your opponent got deleted

but i think its unfortunate the solution was just making the whole move completely suck

[keen mesa]

this is a terrible solution

the reason most people spam it is because its jake's best move

and rather than bumping up his other moves and nerfing this one to a healthy level, they just kneecapped it and called it a day

look at bugs, bugs is mostly fine now. sure his up air is REALLY good, but its not anything crazy

why cant they do that for jake?

[wet flicker]

there are still some weird interactions on full said or up tilt that just make me scratch my head

[alpine hatch]

What am I even meant to do with him anymore

[copper dawn]

Combos

[faint rivet]

did they nerf his mallet

after his neutral air

i swear it feels so wierd

now

shadow nerf?

i havent played jake i thought htey nerfed his punch not his mallet omg

i js tried it its so detrimental

why do they have to nerf jake as soon as i start liking him

[crude reef]

this whiff nerf is so horrible

he already had a whiff for the mallet

why add another whiff for nair bruh

making him bottom 2 once again

[wet flicker]

Jake players find a way to win. ->devs "we cannot allow this to continue"

[crude reef]

it feels much weaker now too

i can’t kill at 130

and i don’t even spam the move

[woven kite]

Jakes 1 jab combo is hella inconsistent

[woven kite]

On decent chunk of characters it doesnt work after 30-35 if they DI outwards

[copper dawn]

This just means a lot of y’all were filthy nair spammers

This patch has revealed a lot of y’alls true identity 😤

[woven kite]

Lowkey 😛

[woven kite]

in my defense i didnt always spam nair 2

i did mixup nair into stretches and upairs

even though its the opposite of optimal gameplay

[copper dawn]

Bro that’s even worse

Nair = spam
Stretch - upair = cheap kills

So you was a spammer and a cheap killer

Well Well Well

[woven kite]

You need upair 2 for the cheese kills

Upair 1 combos true into nair 1 too

And then i go for a dodge read bite 👅💦

[woven kite]

Only when im mad desperate 🥹🥹

[copper dawn]

Ive gotten cheap killed against a Jake to many times. I just learned not to recover high anymore

[copper dawn]

And upair - bite?

[woven kite]

Yeah you're done for if you're above a jake

[copper dawn]

Someone did that to me and brought me offstage for a cheap kill

[woven kite]

Upair 1 into nair 1 and then wait for dodge and then bite 😎

[woven kite]

Haha

[copper dawn]

Dodge read 😎
Or dodge react 🤢🤮

[woven kite]

Jake is a cheap character

[woven kite]

Could be both for all I know

[woven kite]

Now all i do is runaway

And dodge jab

[copper dawn]

I have vacation so this is my time to learn a new character

How is Jake against shields?

[woven kite]

Pretty good i think?

My opponents still never shield

[copper dawn]

Im guessing sair isn’t useful in neutral now right

[woven kite]

Bite can clap shielders

[copper dawn]

Probably still getting use to it

[woven kite]

If your opponent plays very grounded yeah it sucks

Sair isstill cracked offstage

[copper dawn]

I hate it offstage

Don’t know what to do, I should learn the timing because I always dodge early or too late

[woven kite]

Yeahh

Atleast the fastfall update makes it so that you can space it out pretty easy

If you're on the recieving end

[woven kite]

Yeah learning the timing is the only way

Or fastfalling a little

[copper dawn]

Yea I will do that

I saw one of jmafias clips saying he was quitting 💀

[woven kite]

💀

Rip

His jake was the most fun to watch

[copper dawn]

I think a lot of Jake’s are leaving until he gets fixed. This is probably one of the worst patches in a while

[woven kite]

He does go for cheese but not nearly as much as other jakes

[woven kite]

Yeah

[copper dawn]

Ive lost to one Jake main that would only go for cheese

[woven kite]

That hardly narrows it all down

Deep down we're all cheesers

Did you get stretch upair'd?

[copper dawn]

What he did was only go offstage then as soon as you get close to the ledge he does upair - bite

Then spits me offstage. Then used upspecial to cover the entire wall as soon as it touched me it just spiked me down

And if it didn’t kill straight away he did sair

For the entire game

[woven kite]

That stretch bouncing cheese is pretty braindead

[woven kite]

Yeah ultimately jakes gameplay is really annoying

Even I hate playing against other jakes

I was hoping for a rework

Where he can just box

Not spam cheese

[copper dawn]

Now that I think about it, I should have tried stalling more in the air. Using some of Nubia’s moves

[copper dawn]

When fighting a high rank Jake 😭

[woven kite]

Yeah

Thats the ideal way to counter rhat

[woven kite]

Even low ranks

Low rank jakes are just nair 1 and nair 2 on repeat

You kinda just get forced to run away to avoid nair 1 and 2

[copper dawn]

Ive never got hit by that cheese. Think that was my first time even fighting a Jake that was camping on the wall

[woven kite]

That cheese is most effective against a person whos all the way at the bottom of the wall

They'll usually panic jump up to avoid ko

And if you've stretched above them ez bounce away

[keen mesa]

legit just uninstalled

i tried

im tired

he's alright for pubs, but i just cant do it in ranked

[copper dawn]

Im thinking of leaving too. I can’t take these patches anymore

[keen mesa]

hoping pfg does something on tuesday

cuz otherwise idk man

[copper dawn]

Nothing has changed it’s always the same characters meanwhile the others are just weak

[keen mesa]

what can you do?
jab: short
bite: on its own, short
sair: extremely easy to dodge/parry and punish
up air and up special: both alright, but you cant exactly win with that
dair: alright, but god help you if you miss, cuz that whiff lag most certainly wont

[keen mesa]

Hold on, whats your ign?

[keen mesa]

ive been fighting and clipping a lot of nubias recently

[faint rivet]

i dont get how if jake is attacking with an extended arm and u hit that he gets hit its so dumb

[crude reef]

fr

and he gets kicked back from where he is instead of taking damage

making him die early if you’re close to the blast zone

[copper dawn]

ttvfiredemarion

It wasn’t you I remember opponents name who cheesed me @ancient mural 😡

[keen mesa]

thats what i BEEN saying man

would be awsome if they just made it disjointed again

[woven kite]

I know that guy I beat him in a ranked 2v2 back in s2

[faint rivet]

stretchy powerssssss

[faint rivet]

guys is jakes eating move useless?

[wet flicker]

Mostly

[woven kite]

I found a decent cheese with it

I think the bite cheese is the optimal way ti jake now

[woven kite]

#clips message

[woven kite]

Not a new cheese but it seems like the only way to make jake usable now

[crude reef]

i’ve been doing that since the dtilt change

but i spit them against the wall

[crude reef]

i say only try to use bite if you’re next to a wall for a follow up

only useful way to use bite rn

[keen mesa]

care to share?

[crude reef]

he showed it here @keen mesa

[keen mesa]

thanks

and thank you @woven kite for the new move

will definetely try later

[crude reef]

crap i forgot to post mine

[crude reef]

#clips message

[keen mesa]

since we sharing jake clips

#clips message

i thought this was neat

[keen mesa]

@woven kite whole lot of things need to be in place for it to be successful

[woven kite]

Pretty much

and its not even true most of the time

still worth going for it though

[keen mesa]

yh, always nice when it works

makes for an easy stock

[wet flicker]

yeah nothing new about that . been seeing people do that since this game got relased

[woven kite]

more or less

[woven kite]

Dude why the hell does tnj a projectile spamming zoner have better melee framedata than a goddamn melee only character

[crude reef]

because balancing in this game is nonexistent

[woven kite]

Isnt joker neutral special just a stronger jake nair?

How is that allowed

That mf can approach with that at mach speeds

He can hold it and charge it for like 5 seconds

And he can cancel the move with jump with 0 consequences while you're forced to dodge or block and waste meter

[crude reef]

he’s a dc character

you know that they won’t do anything about it

because they favorite dc characters

[keen mesa]

im starting to think pfg just despises jake for some reason

because deadass, every single move that people say is a problem on him, can be done with several other characters

"nair spammer"?
wonder woman
ppg
joker
hell, ive met jasons that nair spam

no nerfs for them

nah, cuz does pfg think that this is a good state for jake as he is?

did noone test this before they launched it?

[woven kite]

Even with shields ppg nair is still annoying to punish

[keen mesa]

better nerf jake to be safe

[woven kite]

Keep saying crap like that and you might actually get hired by pfg

[keen mesa]

iswr that might be the new "nerf lebron"

[crude reef]

LOL

[crude reef]

they also shadow nerf jake a lot too

i’ve been noticing it

so much things they add to improve his character just gets removed within a few days after adding it

without mentioning it in the patch notes

[glacial violet]

yeah i havent played for around a week, but jake somehow feels even worse than before

like none of his moves ever come out fast enough

[woven kite]

Any examples of this? Other than the bite shadow nerf way back then

[woven kite]

Man idk if jake even gonna get buffed

Lots of people still think he's good and I'm downplaying him when I explain his issues

Ofc the people saying that are people who dont use him

[glacial violet]

he wont

if he gets buffed i want someone to @ me but i dont think he will

[crude reef]

if he gets buffed he’s just gonna get a shadow nerf

[crude reef]

many examples

i can’t remember if it was the start of the season or last season but there was a buff for skateboard

we could fast fall for all 3 hits

then like a week later it got removed without informing us in the patch notes

it literally made skateboard useful

now it’s garbage again

and another shadow nerf was when they took away the invulnerability for jake’s up air 2 on his arm

they added it last season then it got removed at the start of this season without it being mentioned

they obviously don’t want jake to be a good character

they done shadow nerf the apple juice at my school too 😭

taste like piss now

[woven kite]

OH MY GOD I KNEW I WASNT TWEAKING

[wet flicker]

Oh I was wondering about that

[crude reef]

i also feel like they nerfed nair 2

feels a lil weaker

ever since the whiff nerf

[bright plover]

I genuinely hope they actually hire someone capable of making your all's character not be bottom 1 anymore

[woven kite]

Yeah thats in patch notes they decreased nair 2 dmg by 4(?) which would greatly decrease kb

[crude reef]

oh yeah you’re right

[uncut ice]

no matter how many times jake gets nerfed he will be my 1st option

[crude reef]

fr

[woven kite]

Btw guys

Skateboard is insane againt shielding opponents

Skateboard x2 + bite can eat their dodge meter plus give you a punish

[thorn zenith]

if theyre dumb enough sure

also guys dair x2 into up air x2 is true (i think)

its just really hard to pull off

[woven kite]

People usually shield when I approach with nair so I skateboard as a mixup

Most people cant punish skateboard out of shield

[thorn zenith]

#clips message

[woven kite]

so you can usually get a bite in after landing skateboard

[crude reef]

yeah it’s true

you’ll just have to fast fall fall the moment you up air

[woven kite]

Too bad landing skateboards is pretty tough in neutral

[crude reef]

@woven kite the stretch perk is good for a easier up air combo

wth 😭