Lebron

[mild hornet]

Beta was garbage

Brawlhalla exists

Genuine slop thats sugarcoated with a billion collabs

[wooden harbor]

Nope

[late socket]

Wait actually?

[late socket]

Brawlhala doesn't seem that bad, I like the simplified formula

[mild hornet]

I mean

Its fun at times

But its the most boring and simplified garbage thats my point

There's like

3 movesets or something

All across every character

Yk like some new player looks at the roster

Woahh thats a lot

The variety must be crazy

And then they play most of em

Yeah this is def fun 💯 same moveset across everyone

Might as well have 5 characters in the roster

[jolly plume]

Yeah I agree bruh it is just made for casuals really. The only variety in move sets is when you use a different item but even then it gives no depth to whatever character you pick

[late socket]

#combos message

[whole echo]

I knew something felt off with it
Glad I wasn’t the only one

[sage harness]

Other way around. Its simplistic yet somewhat balanced gameplay makes up room for an absurdly high skill ceiling and, since there aren't many movesets, it allows for competitive play without one character being way better than the other because again, "they're all the same".

[mild hornet]

Lmfao

Bro lets go new vault hunters update cant wait to see what new and creative movesets they come up with 🤩

Gun

Sword

Spear

Woahhh

No way

These new movesets

Insane

[wooden harbor]

Only a couple characters have similar signatures tbh

[wooden harbor]

Yea someone won a Brawlhalla official tournament on what people thought was a bad character

Magyar

[sage harness]

Multiversus glazers have yet to play their second game 😂

[wooden harbor]

And keep in mind in higher levels signatures are barely even used 😭

[wooden harbor]

😭

[sage harness]

Signatures? Did I miss smth

Haven't played halla in like 4 years anyway

[wooden harbor]

Special attacks

[sage harness]

Oh. Yeah nobody using those lmaooo

Brawlhalla is the ONLY platform fighter where if you complain about balance, you're most likely in the wrong.

[wooden harbor]

Like on character has 33 movesets. 6/33 are the special moves, people got other moves to worry about 😭

[wooden harbor]

Yea fr

[wooden harbor]

If you say you lost because of a match up they clown you 😂

But in multiversus they say main a top tier

[sage harness]

And rightfully so 😂

[sage harness]

Yeah, the stupidest argument ever.

"Just don't play your favorite character and main a boring top tier! Don't have fun, it's worth it!"

[wooden harbor]

“Should have played wonderwoman” 🤡🤡🤡
“Why do you except to win on this bad character”

[sage harness]

This is how Harley, Joker and Samurai Jack mains sound

[sage harness]

Yep

[wooden harbor]

“Have you tried joker?”

[sage harness]

Hell even in smack studio/ rivals of aether the difference ain't that notorious (except Shovel Knight, fck shovel knight)

[wooden harbor]

When rivals 2 comes I will definitely play

I would drop this game but my friend plays and we normally do ranked 2s or 1v1

[sage harness]

We will be playing 🗣️ 🔥

The game just looks so much more visually and mechanically appealing than this crap

[wooden harbor]

Visually 👀👀

[sage harness]

It just looks so cool

[wooden harbor]

“i still have fun idk just start playing finn if you want to have fun”

[sage harness]

These guys have been lobotomized or smth cuz cmon 😂

[wooden harbor]

Crazy the community is telling us to play the best characters just to have fun

[sage harness]

Yo @wooden harbor Cya

The mvs glazer called the opps on me 😂

[wooden harbor]

Nah u gotta be careful

Mods don’t play 😭

[sage harness]

Nah not really

As if I cared about staying in this server

[wooden harbor]

Some dude made a report about people on this server #clips message

[sage harness]

I'm leaving myself once rivals releases anyway

[wooden harbor]

People like fern are crazy

[wooden harbor]

4v1 on fern 😭

[sage harness]

LOOOOL

[mild hornet]

Can't wait

[sage harness]

This could have two implications man

[mild hornet]

Both pookie 🥰

[sage harness]

Das insane 😂

[ripe hemlock]

I just read the patch

I’m with Pin, I’m glad I dropped this game 💀

[sage harness]

🤝

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcflyHmzZ8k

MVS players will give up all this dynamism and say it was "too fast" 😂

[ripe hemlock]

It definitely had issues, but if they like.
You know.
Actually fixed them, it would’ve been fine.

[sage harness]

🤷‍♂️

I haven't seen PFG fix a single issue since the game released.

If anything, they created new ones.

This auto-teching thing literally made characters who barely had any combos just not have them anymore

[ripe hemlock]

Wym? Dont you remember when they

[sage harness]

LOOOOL

[ripe hemlock]

Or that time that they

[sage harness]

Teching SHOULD be a thing, just not automatic.

Literally why

[ripe hemlock]

THIS GAME NOT HAVING TECHING IS ACTUAL MR BURNS BEHAVIOR

[sage harness]

They tried to dumb this game down SO MUCH, that it ended up backfiring.

[sage harness]

Mr burns behavior is insane 😂

Das why I only play Rivals and Smack Studio now

[ripe hemlock]

It is man, I wouldn’t be 80 years old post dair loop if we could just tech

[sage harness]

Real af

Like, is it hard to just add teching with a longer frame window than, say, smash?

Just add the mechanic and dumb it down so 8 year olds can use it. It ain't that hard.

Multiversus is legit the most hand-holding platform fighter ever

[ripe hemlock]

8 year olds 💀

[sage harness]

Their target demographic 🤷‍♂️

There's no way you can make a game as simple as multiversus and not have it targetted at 8 year olds

Teching is automatic, attacks have no commitment to them and you can just dodge mash out of a whiff, etc.

[ripe hemlock]

Might be onto something…
I don’t know, I haven’t tried the tech thing myself. But it just sounds weird. Why can’t I just.
Press? The dodge button? When I hit the ground?

[sage harness]

Because logical thinking is NOT on PFG's dictionary.

[ripe hemlock]

Oh, silly me

I’m used to playing bad characters in like, any game I play, but I’ve never played a character who is more miserably awful than LeBron. Like, 99% of characters I fought last I played were ♾️x better than him

[sage harness]

Yep, happens. That's why everyone here complains about Lebron being bottom of the bucket and that's exactly why I dropped the game.

Ain't gonna play a game where my main (who's been my main since the beta due to how fun his moveset is) gets nerfed each update for no fcking reason

[tiny kiln]

MVS is like with smash how Shulk is called potential man, everyone will say he has a ton of potential but who is actually gonna stick around to find that potential

[ripe hemlock]

I talk about this all the time with characters across all sorts of fighting games, so this is a good way to put it

[ripe hemlock]

Yeah, I picked him up at official launch and he was so much fun. Even after they removed ball hitting multiple times, I still had fun.
And then he kept getting nerfed. Like, okay, thank you.

[sage harness]

Yep

[tiny kiln]

Their balancing is atrocious, tho I know people do say the community would do better balancing but I disagree heavily on that

However why does Lebron specifically keep getting nerfs? Doesn’t make sense

[wooden harbor]

Bro you can have fun in this game

If you play Finn

[sage harness]

I was gonna flame you man 😂

This is too funny lmao

[wooden harbor]

Fern is actually funny

With his “illness” too

[sage harness]

Yeah

That part makes me mad tho

There's people who are genuinely ill and can't help having awkward interactions with ppl

But this guy's just using a mental illness (that's most likely a lie) to justify their stupid behavior.

[ripe hemlock]

Ik this is a joke, but I know people who would tell me this unironically and I’m like
????

[wooden harbor]

#general message

This is just bs

[wooden harbor]

No that’s what fern said

[ripe hemlock]

Like “maybe if you didn’t play the worst character in the game, you’d have fun”
Maybe the “worst character” in the game should AT LEAST be playable

[sage harness]

Yeah. Room temperature iq people.

[ripe hemlock]

HE DOES???

[sage harness]

Yeah that's bs

[ripe hemlock]

I’m banning him

[wooden harbor]

Yea and all the sudden he’s typing like crazy 🤦‍♂️

[sage harness]

The guys with the pink roles also say that. Mainly harley and finn mains.

[sage harness]

"If you don't like the game just play an op character. Ez"

[ripe hemlock]

OH I see it now

I thought you meant Fern, the skin Finn skin 💀

[tiny kiln]

Nah a guy named Fern lol

I thought the skin as well

Seen the guy around

[ripe hemlock]

Anyways, yeah, this is just wild. Like, I don’t think we’re asking for LeBron to be a top 0 character. We just want him to feel good to play at least.

[tiny kiln]

Yeah I get that

[ripe hemlock]

Idk what he’s going on about 💀

[tiny kiln]

I play Morty, he feels good I’m happy, remove the tool that makes him absurd and I’m still happy, just make the character viable

[sage harness]

Exactly. He felt so good in the beta man.

Beta speed was goated.

Again, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcflyHmzZ8k

[tiny kiln]

Changing the games mechanics messed things up man

[ripe hemlock]

Yeah, this is really all we want. I understand that every game needs to have a bottom tier, but I’d like if the bottom tier didn’t have to work seven 9-5 shifts with no pay overtime

Just to deal 6%

[meager halo]

bro this nerf is actually so dead

it's so boring

it's not a buff in the slightest

[sage harness]

The demon of Babylon disguises itself with the coat of the righteous 🤷‍♂️

[mild hornet]

Is this channel jus lebron mains coping now

Like a lil gathering

Of

Wahh and all that

So cute

[meager halo]

stfu

[meager halo]

if ur gonna nerf him this bad atleast give him a usable kill option

buff his kill options

like why am i seeing 150+ fighting light characters

LOL

[mild hornet]

Imma advocate for another lebron nerf do not worry gang I got u 💯🏀

This is like that comic where thanos just comes back each year to torment some random guy on his birthday

[meager halo]

ur cringe

like legit cringe

like a 12 yo type cringe

[mild hornet]

mmmkay

My bad sweetie

[sage harness]

8 year old "humor":

This game (and community) is cooked 😂

[tiny kiln]

Go hate another character deserving of more hate

[limpid quest]

I think he doesn't like that we play basketball :(

Hey it's me, Lebron James and I'm playing Basketball

[rare cradle]

evverytime i play against a lebron i always end up getting absolutly demolished by his big balls

especially when he does down special

theres no avoiding those

[meager halo]

big balls 😭

[rare cradle]

YOO PAUSEE ON THAT NO DIDDY

i didnt realise

[limpid quest]

...

Oh lebron is easy to counter with characters like finn and Jake. Marvin and even Lebron himself

[limpid quest]

You know what, screw it <@&882349260409032746> is this type of behavior even allowed? Going to the character channels and talking trash?

[meager halo]

bro

do not ping mods

[limpid quest]

Sorry I pinged the wrong people

Oh huh?

[waxen wyvern]

People can voice their opinions, but they ned to be sure to be respectful at the same time

[limpid quest]

Sorry for the ping it's just this guy just sorta was saying that we're just gathering here to 'cope' and was just here to hate on us...for some reason

[obtuse bobcat]

Also to brush up on this we do ask people to ping mods if it's necessary if people are causing issues

[limpid quest]

Oh my god no way, I think the same guy is still talking trash about lebron in a non civil way

"So uncivilized"

[glacial lagoon]

mfs really starting to ping mods anytime someone salts shi about their character 😭

[meager halo]

yuh that's why i told him do not ping mods

bcz i do it in pretty much every other channel

[limpid quest]

No it's because he was being a jerk for no reason. He literally said all of us lebron mains are coping. I'm okay with opinions as long as it's civil

But nobody knows that anymore

[limpid quest]

Annndddd....you literally just ignored what the mods said

[limpid quest]

.

[glacial lagoon]

writing a salty message aint causing issues

[limpid quest]

...

[glacial lagoon]

🤷

[limpid quest]

Yeah I should of kept my mouth shut because going over to a channel to trash talk the people you hate and then saying it doesn't cause issues is crazy

[glacial lagoon]

its just trash talk bruh noone cares 😭

this shi skibidi fr its a non toilet issue

[meager halo]

you know this is a fighting game right ?

lemme give u an example

[limpid quest]

It's like toxicity is going over your head. Seriously man the guy early was really making me feel like garbage and I wanna play my character because I like him and he's fun. Sorry dudes but I'll have to block you both because I'm afraid we won't get anywhere

[meager halo]

the channels of characters are to talk about the characters

[wooden harbor]

Don’t end up like these guys #clips message

[meager halo]

so if i lose to arya stark and i get mad and i go to the arya channel and say this character is broken and people thinking it needs a buff is just dumb

that's just me

there is no problem caused

legit character channels are made for this

talking about what's broken and what's not n channel in general and maybe stuff bout the character

[glacial lagoon]

fel needs to come back on an alt or something fr that guy was the goat...

[wooden harbor]

I would only ping mods to annoy someone if they broke a minor rules

[wooden harbor]

You’re talking to him 😼😼

I main garnet and I hate Morty 😡

[meager halo]

😭

[glacial lagoon]

my only interraction with him was him calling me trash for salting him in a game but damn it hurts when hes not here

[limpid quest]

No joke this guy was just being a jerk on what he said. No I'm not talking about Savak and Turk but someone else who was literally like "you lebron mains are gathering here to cope" I guess it's against the law to like a person or people play basketball :(

I dont wanna be a walking nerd emoji but it's just not cool he came into here talking smack

Anyways, I like lebron because I think he's fun and I think he's jam packed with references in all of his moves

[wooden harbor]

Nah if you wanna @ mods is fine but you should know what warnable

IF he said something like LeBron mains are stupid and kept continuing

[limpid quest]

I'm pretty sure he's going to other channels for a lebron nerf

[wooden harbor]

I would @ mods and say something like “this dude keeps harassing LeBron mains, we didn’t do anything wrong and we are just trying to play our main man.”

And pretend to be a victim

[limpid quest]

Okay then...

[glacial lagoon]

some real advice here

i would write this down if i were you

[tiny kiln]

Guy from part of the Morty incident here

Honestly just block the guy and move on

[glacial lagoon]

''the morty incident'' 😭😭

[limpid quest]

I said it once and I'll say it again, you pfp is fire. I know it's ai but it looks so cool

[tiny kiln]

I’m calling it an incident, that was a mess man

[wooden harbor]

Never forget the word “harassing “ sometimes I would add toxicity there aswell 😂

[tiny kiln]

I didn’t even AI generate it lol, just found it off google

[meager halo]

😭 morty incident

[wooden harbor]

There was a whole Reddit report

😭

[meager halo]

yeah man that was wild 😭 ( the reddit report )

[glacial lagoon]

28.08.2024 Morty incident

[meager halo]

the morty incident is way below the least thing that happens to me daily on brawlhalla 😭

[limpid quest]

Demo sent some context if you scroll up but basically it's a bunch of people hating on morty in a non healthy way

[glacial lagoon]

nah brawhalla aint even compare to the multiversus incidents

[tiny kiln]

That was only because of the drama that went on the past 5 days between Garnet and Morty

[jolly plume]

Honestly I’m not surprised considering the negativity in this community

[late socket]

All characters should be equally viable and unique imo

[ripe hemlock]

Yeah, I think a character can be bad but pickable

[late socket]

I agree

Like Rivals and sometimes ultimate

[ripe hemlock]

Ganon kinda unplayable ngl

[late socket]

This patch feels like a buff, no? Might be very minimal but

[late socket]

True but at least you see him in tournament

[ripe hemlock]

The fact that it feels minimal makes it feel even worse, because he’s been hit harder by his nerfs

If he was getting nerfs and then got buffs to compensate, it would feel okay at least

[late socket]

True

But his aerial combo game is getting better

[quartz steppe]

guys, is there any way to combo something into up-special?

[tiny kiln]

Still, he was mid and got nerfs previously

[late socket]

Yeah true

[late socket]

Idk, I don't think you can

[quartz steppe]

dang. what's even the point of it?

[late socket]

It's pretty good at catching people after up air and blocking options

If they don't dodge it'll kill

[quartz steppe]

i see, i see

[limpid quest]

Which up special?

[quartz steppe]

with ball

[limpid quest]

Ohhh uh....I don't think it can combo and it's more of a move to use to catch people in the air

[quartz steppe]

i see. i was asking 'cuz i feel like aerial up-special is faster than grounded up-special

[late socket]

It might be

[limpid quest]

HAHAHAHA- yeah no grounded up special is slow af but does a lot of damage

[quartz steppe]

i guess it's a combo ender. at 90%, chenzy09 did aerial neutral-attack into up-special and it killed Garnet in training mode

[mild hornet]

ooff what happened here

My bad genuinely lmao

Aint realise it impacted u that hard

[limpid quest]

Well I don't wanna be a living nerd emoji it just sucks that nobody here really knows boundaries alot of the time

[mild hornet]

Its not even that Im hating for no reason lol tbh its just some of these guys constantly trash on the game overall when I still have fun only because, well lebron is getting gutted constantly, kinda makes me annoyed. I didn't mean to insult anyone yk I like lebron as well I play him from time to time so my fault on that part but yeah pretty much it I guess

[limpid quest]

Wait who do you play? My tired self is confused

[mild hornet]

I dont main lebron I play batman, I just play lebron sometimes

I was the guy that said lebron mains were coping lmao I think u forgor

[limpid quest]

I could see lebron being annoying to you since he can counter the batarang easily with his down special (no basketball) and the batarang is one of batman's greatest tools

[mild hornet]

Noooo im not im joking 😭

[limpid quest]

Oh

Sorry

Well I'm glad you're still here at least

[mild hornet]

k so basically Im not hating on lebron as a character I was jus annoyed with some ppl cause all they do is cry and cry abt the game cause of lebron, causing me to say they're coping, which ermm they kinda were in a way but its not like im here to hate and insult anyone like u so I apologise for that

[limpid quest]

Oh cool well I'm glad we got that my mistake cleared up

[mild hornet]

👍

[meager halo]

why do we have the steven v lebron matchup

[sage harness]

Lebron is easy to counter with:

1. The whole multiversus cast
2. Lebron

[sage harness]

Why do we have the literally anyone vs lebron matchup 💀 🙏

[limpid quest]

Jason in the background crying

[sage harness]

If you think Jason is worse than Lebron, idk what to think man.

[meager halo]

real

[meager halo]

lol

jason ain't close to lebron

even the matchup

[sage harness]

Literally

[limpid quest]

No like Jason doesn't have any counters since lebron is faster than Jason and lebron has Two anti armor moves. Lebron was nerfed that one time because he had a loop on Jason

[sage harness]

Like, it's insane how bad a character with this much mobility and ranged tool can be

[limpid quest]

Hey guess what? I have no idea what you said because I'm big stupid right now since I'm sleepy af...sorry

[sage harness]

Ok, that's cool, but Jason > Lebron and that's not even a subjective take

[limpid quest]

Huh? Wait wait are you thinking that I'm saying that Jason is better than Lebron?

[sage harness]

Ohh np

[sage harness]

Yeah?

[sage harness]

Didn't read this entirely

Mb

[sage harness]

But this msg kinda gave the idea you thought Jason was worse than lebron

[limpid quest]

That's not what I'm saying at all. I main Jason and Lebron and sometimes Jason's rage can be broken if I do dash forward and down tilt for the anti armor move. The only thing Jason is better at than Lebron is survivability and kill power

[sage harness]

Yeah i just re-read this and no, that's not what i thought

[limpid quest]

You know...for a real life guy, they made Lebron hella slow

[sage harness]

For the "sports attire" character that is one of the most legendary players in his own sport, yeah, he IS slow.

[limpid quest]

I remember seeing someone saying "would you rather have Lebron or godzilla" in which they are saying that Lebron is a waste and I'll admit, it was strange we didn't have Micheal Jordan or the villians from the first space jam but...come on dude Superman a guy who outsped infinity and can keep up with the flash, gets beaten up by some guy who plays basketball

Superman:MY NEW WEAKNESS!!! MY FEET BECAUSE LEBRON BROKE MY ANKLES TOO MANY TIMES!!! HE'S JUST TOO POWERFUL!!!!

[sage harness]

Yeah that's hilarious lol

[limpid quest]

Also they said would you rather have Lebron or Godzilla and like...one big character was already too much so no thanks-

[sage harness]

The sheer absurdity of Lebron's inclusion to the roster was what made me pick him as my main the second he released.

[sage harness]

Ok but imagine Godzilla vs Iron Giant

"Pacific Rim!"

[limpid quest]

Ooo

I wish Iron Giant and any other big character was small just like every other character

[sage harness]

Nah, that's what made multiversus special tbh, the way they would implement these absurd concepts in a funny way

Multiversus shouldn't have been competitive

[limpid quest]

Also is it me...but why does Lebron feel like a 1v1s character?

[sage harness]

Again,

Multiversus: Party game advertised as a competitive

Smash: Competitive game advertised as a party game

[sage harness]

Ironically, yeah

And even there he's absolute trash

He would be better if you got your ball back when your partner hits someone

OR

Your partner gained one orbiting ball when hitting someone

Which they can then pass to lebron

THAT would've made sense

And would make him an actual 2v2 character

But nah let's just ruin him and make him the worst character ever

[limpid quest]

His perk that gives 3 gray health should give him and his teammate 6 gray health because 3 is pathetic. Actually just make it a mechanic but it'll have a cooldown

[sage harness]

I'm so tempted to make a Lebron character in Smack Studio

[limpid quest]

What's smack studio?

[sage harness]

The gray health is just beyond stupid

[sage harness]

I'm glad you ask!

Gimme a minute

[limpid quest]

It kinda helps because I've been able to survive till 170%

[sage harness]

Meh

It still isn't much

[limpid quest]

Hot hands shouldn't be a no look pass too

[sage harness]

You know what would've been really cool?

A perk that makes Lebron's dunk deal more dmg the more passes are made before the dunk

[limpid quest]

Knowing player first games...that would make a lot of glitches

[sage harness]

Rate the concept tho

[sage harness]

A platform fighter that's in an early stage of development with a built-in character/stage editor and a sprite-rigging system that allows for "3d-like" rotation of the sprites using depth maps.

Literally the easiest game to make a character in.

[limpid quest]

5 outta 10
Sorry to be harsh because I think this perk would encourage spam since I could throw it to my teammate, catch it and then pass it again. I mean, there can be a limit like 3 stacks but still. It'll definitely do too much damage but the perk sounds nice

[sage harness]

I think you forgot about a key aspect of 2v2s: There's 2 other players besides you and your teammate.

[sage harness]

Forgot to say "uninterrupted passes"

Also it'd definitely have a cap.

[limpid quest]

I know but i deal with spammers all the time in every mode...I'm gonna head to bed because I need a rank however I do agree that we need a new signature perk or a buff

[sage harness]

Alright, gn

[sage orbit]

I like space jam

That’s a good film

It introduced furry girl into my life

[glacial lagoon]

so real

[sage orbit]

I just got back from watching both space jam films

That was fun

Im gonna play some Lebron now

[jolly plume]

Fun fact: dunk is an anti armor move

[limpid quest]

Huh?

[jolly plume]

Side special with ball

[limpid quest]

Ohhhh

[night oracle]

posted a nasty true zero to death combo wit bron

in a ranked match

[jolly plume]

Clip?

[night oracle]

can't post it here

i'll send it to u

[late socket]

Can't you send it in the clip channel and link it here?

[late socket]

It is literally impossible to get in against TNJ

At least with no ball lebron

[jolly plume]

I swear if moves like dunk or something could one shot jerry the matchup would be free

[late socket]

True

Maybe dodge down ait with ball would work but if feel impossible

Like they need to put a cool down on jerry shot after regrabbing him

[jolly plume]

I’d rather them just increase bron dmg to compensate. Or they make Jerry health hit based like safe where x amount of any hits would kill jerry. This arguably makes him stronger in some matchups where characters can one shot jerry but maybe better for characters like bron

[meager halo]

#clips message this is the main lebron combo route i would go for and then read into some cool stuff
mainly u need to catch the tech and then u can extend the combos and maybe go for a kill option

honestly if ur playing lebron and u don't go for tech reads/not putting the time to lab how to punish and read the tech
it's just a waste of time

lebron is pretty bad without reading dodges/techs

and he is still pretty bad even with reading

[jolly plume]

That’s good. Jab jab dair into jab is also pretty nice imo cause you have more time to react with ball jab being faster than nb sair. Another good tech chase combo is jab, ball pass into nb dair which is good if you don’t want to expend meter.

[bold vortex]

savak stream when? 👀

[night oracle]

#clips message

heres da clip @late socket

or anyone that wanted to see

lebron's combos now are jus 50/50's primarily. if u win yo 50's u can get mad combos

the combo is fully true tho

[meager halo]

maybe soon

[meager halo]

not 50/50

there are 3 grond techs

right left n neutral

[night oracle]

actually yea ur right

so doesn't that make it like a 25/75?

not favoring me

cuz he could've neutral tech'd n i wouldn't get it

vice versa for all the techs then

so yea

[late socket]

Yeah honestly

The techs are can be good

I still think it should be three but still

[crimson escarp]

Any master Lebron's with footage?? Trying to study

[meager halo]

@crimson escarp

[crimson escarp]

Yo the jab into dodge canceled dair is there anyway to make it more consistent I always get people falling out of it

[crimson escarp]

Yo the jab into dodge canceled dair is there anyway to make it more consistent I always get people falling out of it

[crimson escarp]

Also you got anymore clips of your neutral game I struggle with approaches

[bold vortex]

btw in that clip how do you cancel/reset the side attack so it doesnt go into side 2 when you turn around? i usually hold down is there a better way?

[jolly plume]

Are you trying to do jab 1 into jab 1 or just cancel it into another attack like ball pass?

[jolly plume]

Yeah they can DI away but you can do a more diagonal dodge dair to cover that.

[bold vortex]

#clips message first 3 seconds, jab 1-> turnaround -> jab 1

[serene prairie]

i would say instead of holding down, treat each side attack as its own input. not sure if you use the analog stick, or the actual button, but either way the same concept applies

that way you can input jab 1, then have a slight delay for the move frames to cancel, and then input again to get jab 1 back,

[late socket]

I don't think thats true though right?

[serene prairie]

oh nah its not true at all. just another option

[hollow bloom]

[limpid quest]

Hey guys? For a movie duo about teammates and teamwork, does lebron feel like a 1v1s character?

[wooden harbor]

@meager halo 👀 #clips message

Savak da sad lebron main

[meager halo]

😭

[wooden harbor]

Tbag and salting a Jason???

Nahhh

I thought you was better than this 😔

[meager halo]

don't salt a jason guys

maybe ig only 😭

[wooden harbor]

Yea leave passive sonicdonut alone

[meager halo]

😭

[wooden harbor]

Dude is still writing paragraphs in clips channel

[sage harness]

He does

It's funny how Lebron, even with his perks, provides almost NO support to his teammates compared to other support characters

[glacial lagoon]

i mean hes kinda nasty with that teleporting ball no

[terse shell]

Is Lebron still bad after the buffs?

[meager halo]

what buffs lol

those aren't buffs

he is still bad yeah

[jolly plume]

They are buffs lol

not significant per say but they buff

[sage harness]

The only buff is the air down special one.

His first change was a nerf, and the second one made his third jab work AS A JAB

Aka make it actually connect with the second jab

[late socket]

The down air fast fall buff is nice

Down air into jab is true now

[limpid quest]

I feel like he needs to be faster and sometimes his down air (no basketball) doesn't work

[jolly plume]

That probably doesn’t work cause you hit the sour spot

[limpid quest]

Oh

[torn loom]

love you guys

[jolly plume]

That doesn’t matter cause the devs don’t.

[torn loom]

Umm, why? Lebonbon's pretty good rn?!

[tiny kiln]

Because he keeps getting nerfed for no reason

[torn loom]

Hes still good in this patch tho

[tiny kiln]

But they keep nerfing him

[torn loom]

BUT HES STILL GOOD

[meager halo]

good as in what

a black man who plays basketball

yeah that's good

but good as a ingame character ? no

[torn loom]

Cant belive I actually have to explain. His air down special can chain into really devestating long combos, his Ball is good for zone control, he has a really long side air when he doesnt have his Ball, and he can kill a Jack at 100 with a full jab combo

The only way I can actually beat them is by using my command grab and neutral special

[torn loom]

Oh and dont forgot his side air with the ball is super fast can you can do it two times back to back so if the enemy di's out of the first one, the second one hits

[meager halo]

cant belive i actually have to explain. his air down special can do nothing unless u read ur opponent, his ball is no good for zoning since all character do f all and suddenly no more balls and ur left with a black character fighting with hands, sair is the only move we can literally approach with and it is not REALLY LONG or REALLY GOOD, he can kill a jab with a full combo at 100 ? damn i didn't know that i usually kill in the 120-200 in masters

the only way lebron can win against any character is to have to be the better player

[torn loom]

Well yeh mid skill players lebrons dont even have a chance lol

Its just a hard charachter with super Potential

[meager halo]

no

don't come here

and say he has super potential

not a single potential brother

i can argue with u forever

jack beat lebron in every way possible

so don't talk bout jack

talk about lebron

[torn loom]

Wow

[meager halo]

yes wow

i'm surprised a ( top #100 jack ) in his name saying that lebron beats jack

ur rank is prolly diamond or less right ?

[torn loom]

Wait what when did I say lebron beats jack

[torn loom]

Im Master 5

[meager halo]

u legit said " the only way i can beat lebron is by using command grab and neutral special "
that means lebron wins in every other aspect ?

[meager halo]

LOL so top 100 jack is a master 5

that says something bout ur character

check top 100 lebron

actually ima check lol

[torn loom]

Dude I came here to say yall cool and thats what I get

Wow

[meager halo]

no

u can say yall cool and that's it

u didn't say yall cool and stopped

[torn loom]

Ok have fun not appreciating yourselves

[meager halo]

🤦‍♂️

also

rank 100 bron

is plat 2

😭 play bron guys

we need more bron it's apperantly a good character

masters start at rank 26

LOL

[torn loom]

Ok lemme fix my mistake, ive played against Master lebrons in ranked for a while and tbh the players are pretty chill and have cool playstyles. Like ive had better expereince with Master lebrons then diamond tnjs. I dunno about other charachter but lebron doesnt perform that bad against Jack, like he has a pretty good kill option with Jack, killing him at 100 with full jab, but I guess jack's light weight is the main problem here and lebonbon might underperform against other characters.

We good now?

Tbh I shouldnt even say characters are good or not cause this game has a bad matchup Problem

[torn loom]

oh sorry gotta correct something, its 100 with one or two weakened, and its 120 without any weakened, jab+jab+up, in townsville

[hollow bloom]

#clips message

[serene prairie]

hearing lebron in spanish has me weak asf lowkey lol

[late socket]

Sorry for LeBron's being mad. It's what happens when the character only gets nerfs and restoration/minor buffs

Also are those percents on DI in?

[sage harness]

Good?

"This is brought to you by people who've never played Lebron before"

[sage harness]

GG

[sage harness]

It's not.

It's crazy how some people will tell people who have mained Lebron SINCE THE BETA that he's currently a good character 💀

There's a reason I was top 1000 at bronze V, back when I played MVS

[torn loom]

ive corrected my statements in a newer message pls read that one instead

[sage harness]

Just read it. Ignore my previous moment of illiteracy.

[torn loom]

both on di in and out

[sage harness]

It's just so annoying to see random people come here and tell you that the character is "good" when you've been maining it for long enough to know it's not.

[torn loom]

its ok i understand😅

[jovial sundial]

Just ignore them. They're doing the same thing to us Jasons in the Jason chat

Also, yall are def getting buffs this season 3 👍

[kindred mortar]

So I haven't played the game since LeBron first got nerfed to the ground, did he get any buff that actually makes him better, or is he still garbage?

I still can't get over the nerf, like he went from such a fun character to me ragequitting every time I see a bugs

[quartz steppe]

mmm... someone said in the most recent patch, fast-fall down-air into jab is possible. he also might receive changes in the next patch

[kindred mortar]

I hope he does 🙏

[late socket]

He's ok. He can get long strings out of tech chases and reads and can kill pretty early with dodge up/up diagonal nair after jab 1 2 but that requires the opponent to DI the way you think they will do

[stuck warren]

Scrappa if ur in here you are the worst teammate in the game

[jolly plume]

lol

Man is mad he had to carry

[left iris]

Ping me when Lebron gets the buffs he deserves 🤦🏿‍♂️I’m done till s3

[meager halo]

sadly that won't happen

[late socket]

Crossover skin event? Are we getting Michael Jordan?

Also that potential anvil perk seems kind of crazy along with down b

[soft kite]

Is it just me or did his last jab (the layup) get stronger? I been KOing ppl way easier lately… maybe it’s just me

[sage harness]

Nah, it's the fact that it actually WORKS now

People used up air because it connected way more frequently than jab 3

Now there's no need for that because his third jab actually works as a jab now

Like genuinely how do you spend 1 year + a season and a half to fix a jab not connecting?

Like holy sht this degree of incompetence is making me mad

[soft kite]

It feels so good

[sage harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C7AumL-pYY

Insane

[bold vortex]

jab jab uair still kills earlier

[sage harness]

Does it? Idk cuz I haven't played the game in months

[bold vortex]

yea it sends them further hehe

[sage harness]

Cool ig

[limpid quest]

I really want Lebron to have a unique interaction with Jason

Lebron is all like "Hey uh...I don't think Machetes and Axes are allowed in hockey..."

[jolly plume]

It still connects better than jab 3 because the jab 3 hitbox is still awful. Despite that it isn’t that bad because it leaves you higher in the air with both your jumps and allows for an up air conversion afterwards. It isn’t true but with the right read it can lead to an early kill.

[sage harness]

Kinda crazy how multiversus would've kept its relevance if it just solved the old issues instead of creating a billion new ones.

[meager halo]

bro this character is impossible to use in tournies 😭

[quartz steppe]

ball cooldown reduction soon tm

[valid spoke]

u have done well, gg !!

[meager halo]

ty ❤️

[jolly plume]

I think if they literally simply had another year to rebuild the game and not make it feel like something that degraded into early access then it would have been pretty relevant.

[jovial sundial]

YALL GOT BUFFED, CONGRATS!!

[meager halo]

ty, it doesn't feel like it tho

[wooden harbor]

Dtilt ground bounce 💀

[jovial sundial]

Because S3 isn't out yet?

[meager halo]

congratz on getting 1 extra basic combo that u can't continue bcz of the tech

😭

[wooden harbor]

As if LeBron didn’t struggle enough with ground bounces

[wooden harbor]

Y’all don’t get it do you?

[meager halo]

nah bcz the chages doesn't feel like " huge buffs "

or " buffs "

[wooden harbor]

No ball attacks is faster

Atleast that’s something

[meager halo]

honestly having the general areial better approaching moves buffs is better than the rework on dlight

[meager halo]

yuh more range and faster sair ig

[wooden harbor]

But they only targeted his kit where you can only get one hit

Dtilt bounce was unnecessary

[meager halo]

i don't think it's the worst thing tho

like i do think it's still better than normal dtlit that we had
now i can do dtilt into jab jab down special

[mossy marten]

yo i didn’t peep the stream what happened?

[meager halo]

or even dtilt jab jab nair into up air

[wooden harbor]

@sage harness

Come back

LeBron got major buffs

[meager halo]

no

not major buffs

😭 don't get bro hyped

bron at best would move from low tier to meh tier

[sage harness]

🧢

Is he pure dogsht or just sht now

Also what r the buffs

[jolly plume]

I’d imagine it is just sht don’t get your hopes up

[sage harness]

My hopes been underground since S2, dw

[jolly plume]

Down tilt can now ground bounce and I guess his nb moves are faster

[sage harness]

Not like I think this game has any chance to redeem itself

[meager halo]

they reworked dlight with ball so it bounces so now u can do slight dlight into the main combo route ( still ends early bcz of the tech )

[mossy marten]

ight i just saw it wtf

[meager halo]

and buffed the general speed of areials so easier to approach with sair

reworked dair with no ball so it's not weird and needing of a sweet spot

the ( dlight with no ball weird move ) now combos into ball up air which is a kill option

that's all what they showed

[soft kite]

Lebron finally getting some love! 💕

[jolly plume]

Ah yes down attack no ball is a move that I do use in neutral

[meager halo]

i have too many racist names for that move

[mossy marten]

so we have lebron another ground bounce move but we don’t have more ground bounces before a tech

[valid spoke]

This sound sick

[meager halo]

sick if ur sick in the head to use that move in game

it's a guaranteed punish

[jolly plume]

I’d rather it be more of we get more stuff to do off a tech tbh

[meager halo]

😭

[wooden harbor]

#clips message a vid showcasing the geound bounces

[jolly plume]

like teching is fine but like there is literally one loop you can do off of it

[valid spoke]

True that i never used it LMAO XD but maybe with the speed changes it can be a thing

[wooden harbor]

Actually the dtilt isn’t that bad

[valid spoke]

Did i misunderstood or did they say that all characters cooldown attacks will receive an alternate move when on cooldown like stripe bite

[jolly plume]

No it is bad I think lebron gonna get an assault charge with that

[sage harness]

Just watched it

This game's cooked

[wooden harbor]

@meager halo did jab with ball get buff?

[jolly plume]

Yeah ball into nb dair was already a thing pre patch

or before this was shown

[mossy marten]

yeah

[meager halo]

don't know and didn't notice they didn't talk about it
we can't know until tmrw or until we see the patch notes

i'm just gonna say this

as someone that plays 1s mostly with lebron

and enjoys him in tournies even tho he is pain in the ass currently

the new season 3 changes for lebron they will be good

they will improve his combo game

not by alot

[jolly plume]

Why does ball jab matter if it gets buffed? It already pretty good. I’d rather them make nb nair a good combo tool or add back old dunk imo

[meager halo]

just improvements

[wooden harbor]

Jab dtilt jab doing 16 is definitely a good start

[meager halo]

yuh and u can extend it
that's what i've been saying
idk if the groundbounce of the dtilt would count in the tech
it would be huge if it doesn't count
imagine u can get jab dtilt jab jab dair into down special

that's 2 more hits on a bread n butter

huge

( that's if the dtilt ground bounce doesn't mess up with the tech )

[wooden harbor]

Yea it counts as a ground bounce

[meager halo]

yeah sadly

ig we gon have to wait and see

i'm gonna lab the hell out of it i know it's gonna be good atleast with kill confirms

[wooden harbor]

Jab jab neutral special?

[meager halo]

why would anyone do that option

[wooden harbor]

Imma play ppg 😭

[wooden harbor]

Saw someone lab it out then followed it up with sair

[meager halo]

😭 bro i wanna play ppg so bad

[wooden harbor]

Pretty sure those combos are diable tho

[wooden harbor]

#combos message 😭😭😭

[meager halo]

yeah not optimal as well

yeah the dash attack in air thingy is so cool

love that

[wooden harbor]

The combo game is already crazy

I saw them doing jab -> down attack before

So imagine if you pair it with that

[glacial lagoon]

new lebron skin teased at the end of into the verse we are geting applebron and he bounces around an apple

[meager halo]

💀

[mild hornet]

so ermmm

been a while since I been in here

are ur changes good

cus ik they went through some on stream

didnt see what exactly tho

[mossy marten]

Not sure we gotta wait until tomorrow to see. Some changes look good and others like down tilt being a ground bounce move now and not increasing the amount of ground bounces before a tech to happen is concerning.

[jovial sundial]

So

Yall think the buffs are still bad or?

[quartz steppe]

probably bad

no more no-look pass after jab 2 (maybe)

and less likely to do aerial down-special tech reads

[jolly plume]

Mid

[late socket]

Wait why?

[quartz steppe]

I thought they said something about reducing the hitstun of jab 2, but maybe I'm trippin'

[mild hornet]

lebron changes sound good lol wdym

idk

dont play him so i cant know

[jolly plume]

Not from what I see

[jolly plume]

Sounding good is different from whether they are actually good. But they are pretty good

[mild hornet]

guess we'll just have to see lol tomorrow

[ripe hemlock]

They look.
Whatever. Just from what they showed. No real opinions until the patch from me though.

[late socket]

I like the what the patch notes show. NB dtilt and dtilt being combo routes seem cool

[ripe hemlock]

For sure

[late socket]

I'll have to lab it though

[ripe hemlock]

I like the changes, I just wonder how they’ll impact him.
I haven’t played for a while, but I’m coming back for the GORLS, so I’ll make sure to try LeBrobin, too.

[late socket]

But like NB dtilt into dunk under platforms, nair dair seems sick in concept

[late socket]

Nice

Also NB dair not having a sour spot and having more momentum could be sick

Jab being a bigger hitbox may allow for combos off of ground bounces at higher percents

[meager halo]

I’m not gonna lie

From the patch notes

It looks like we’re eating really good here

Some moves that was already good got buffed

[bold vortex]

looks promising!

[sage harness]

I'll install multiversus again just to try lebron

If he's still ass, I drop this sht for good

[viscid cobalt]

good morning, what a great day to be LeBron ❤️ lmao

[limpid shore]

LeBron about to be cookin

[meager halo]

i promise u

he is still going to be ass

but good ass

if you get what i mean

[meager halo]

yeah after labbing for a bit

[bold vortex]

its not bad

[meager halo]

jab dlight is nice

not the worst

but still useless bcz of the tech

[bold vortex]

nb dair is NICE

[meager halo]

overall character is still the same

[jolly plume]

Are the nb Jab, down tilt and up tilt fast now?

Like are they useful ground moves in neutral or for combos

[bold vortex]

out of those 3 down tilt feels the best but its still not perfect

[meager halo]

yeah nb jab got BUFFED
if u try it in the lab it may feels the same but those 6 frames are really something in game i noticed me misinputing a nb jab ( bcz i never use that move ) and it's actually hitting more
nb down light feels weird, it feels like it got buffed and mostly has a kill option now confirming into up air but it feels super weird in game and in lab

[night oracle]

guys how does lebron feel

i would like to kno, i ain't home yet n i ain't gon b home till a while

lmk how he is whether or not he feels better or if everything is rlly jus the same

[forest flicker]

After playing a little, some movements still feels not worth and inconsistent BUT down air(no basket)/ground(with basket) are spikes now, so we have new routes. I feel the kill power is less than previous version so technically they take form us kill power and give us some combos. The ground down(no basket) feels way better and is a combo starter! So finally we can do something to anwser rivals that's not the jab! If you were playing in the air a lot like me, you will feel the lack of power now but I recommend trying to fight more in the ground without fear, they want that from us, more ground play

That's my thoughts for now, i can't wait for the community start cooking

I don't think we will left bottom tier,yet. I can see some more buffs coming maybe in the middle season patch but for now I think we got nice changes in general

[native tundra]

no ball dair is crazy off stage now its very reliable

[forest flicker]

Yep, we can finally kill with that!

Honestly I'm very happy

I feel we can defend ourselves way better now

[native tundra]

and no ball dtilt hits below the ledge so its a guaranteed up air afterwards

and that kills at like 100 plus most of the time

[late socket]

Actually sick stuff

[serene prairie]

Definitely seeing some potential and more positive notes from all the comments today! Good sign. I’ma hop on soon and see how he feels too

[serene prairie]

went against some decent players, Bron actually feeling nice

personally for me

[bold vortex]

thoughts about broken wings perk?

[bold vortex]

@tight moss i saw u were using it

[serene prairie]

Not gonna lie I completely forgot about the new perks lol. Gonna have to try them later today

[bold vortex]

jab pass -> nb dtilt -> upair is a pretty nice confim

[fringe knoll]

We still ballin fellas?

[jolly plume]

We ball but we still fall

[glacial lagoon]

lebron james slam dunking a flaming ball into a hoop thats floating above the ocean while a shark jumps after him png

[forest flicker]

First day I was feeling nice with the new lebron, but today I feel the character is really bad. I'm the only one with that feeling?

[jolly plume]

Maybe it’s because the character feels better but is still bad lol

[bold vortex]

yesterday on patch day all the bot players log on to try the patch and when they realise they still suck they log off so today its only somewhat good players

[late socket]

Yeah plus you've probably climbed since then

[hollow walrus]

Got my ass kicked by a LeBron a few minutes ago, dude kept bouncing me into the ground and knew exactly where my character was gonna tech, plus it was super hard to approach him with all the basketballs

i don't know if you're here, but kudos to you, my guy

you're absolutely insane, congratz lol

[delicate mason]

Game is fun. Game feels faster. Opponents still just play keep away from Lebron. Not saying Lebron can’t do combos (am I’m not the best combo-er) but everyone else’s just seem easier and more useful.

[forest flicker]

I feel the same but I ended playing with LeGoat again lol sometimes I just need a break

[forest flicker]

Yeah, that's a good point. Last time the game put me with grand Master and a lot of shaggy (I feel the nerf did nothing to him) so I ended all stressed

[bold vortex]

gave him da clap #clips message

training mode ahh combo 💀

[forest flicker]

Nice, I like seeing shaggy getting cooked.

[mild hornet]

Lebron looking a lil extra nice ngl

Happy for you guys

[sage harness]

So he's still bad?

Yeah no I ain't installing this thing again 💀

[jolly plume]

Yeah only thing that changed is movement and positioning is a bit better. Also some moves like nb dair are consistent but you still have to tech read to do considerable dmg in combos

Nb grounded moves were buffed but they still pretty bad except arguably nb down attack that now confirms into up air but I find that move to not even work half the time

[sage harness]

Man

What is this game

Like genuinely

[jolly plume]

It is a video game, yes

[sage harness]

It is definitely a videogame

Not a good one tho 💀

Anyway, rivals 2 comes out next month. I better see you there @jolly plume @wooden harbor

[jolly plume]

Oh dang I didn’t even know that lol

Thanks for the heads up

[wooden harbor]

U not messing with da huge buffs👀?

[sage harness]

🙏

[sage harness]

Nah bro I'm messing with da huge GAME that's coming NEXT MONTH

I BETTER SEE U IN RIVALS 2 BRO

[wooden harbor]

I don’t even play pc 😭

[delicate mason]

Me: lebron feels better. Still feels like I have no combo creativity and still gotta deal with dashers but I’m having fun!

Me facing a Morty or TnJ: same old old GGs

lol

[sage harness]

It's so funny how he's received more "buffs" than nerfs at this point and he's still trash LOL

They fr hate this character so much 💀

[late socket]

They're heading in the right direction

I like the changes

[jolly plume]

The changes they did were mostly movement momentum based stuff so it makes sense. When the real problem with lebron stemmed from his lack of both a lack luster advantage and neutral. So perfecting either one could actually put him in the meta. But we’ll see

[sage harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0UOPw6OzFA

Look at this gameplay and tell me with a straight face that it's worse than current MVS.

[sage harness]

Also this is literally the issue. They've been "heading in the right direction" for 3 months. That's 2 whole seasons.

It is NOT that damm hard to balance a character. There's no way a team with Warner Brothers levels of budget can't properly balance a game like this in 3 months.

This is the most outrageous show of incompetence I've ever seen in a videogame.

Like genuinely, Rivals (and presumably, Rivals 2) did it SO much better that it almost makes me upset.

EVEN the workshop characters for rivals are more balanced than Iron Giant in MVS 💀

Defending whatever they're doing with this game is just being really ignorant. And the "but it's free" excuse doesn't apply when there's a million other free platform fighters with way better balance out there.

[jolly plume]

Ngl I don’t find this gameplay to be that good lol.

I can basically do the same stuff he is doing rn. But RIP dunk cancel combos.

I doubt they’ll ever bring those back at this point

[unreal siren]

is lebron good now :3

[sage harness]

Dunk cancel, dunk's shockwaves in 1s

And a couple more things that prevented lebron from being absolute dogwater

[jolly plume]

Dunk shockwave was removed like maybe a month after beta came out and it wasn’t that good imo. When they removed shockwave in that one patch was when he started to become a lot better.

[sage harness]

He became so good he's the lowest tier possible in the current game 😂

[jolly plume]

Well current game was when they made dunk unreliable again. Shockwave you could at least hit even though killing with it was inconsistent. When they removed it killing with dunk was basically guaranteed if you landed the active hitbox. Now that that is removed the move is very situational and bad

[valid spoke]

best thing about this patch, it can kill so early

[late socket]

Like how early?

[jolly plume]

Tbh that combo is so jank cause of nb Down tilt not hitting them up despite them being in hitstun and all.

I prefer up dodge nair, up air

[delicate mason]

Opponents love being in the air and on Lebron but I feel better about actually jumping and engaging instead of waiting for them to come down and reset. It’s still a read but I go up a little more now.

[valid spoke]

I killed a jack at 35 that was sick haha

but doesnt work on all maps , not at high percent and sometime yeah the nb down tilt doesnt do the multi hit thing and i cant figure out why

[bold vortex]

holy fk @meager halo u are legit cracked on a new level

wp

[left iris]

Bro I just want them to give bron something JUST SOMETHING THAT gives better combos and kill power im worked 3x harder to kill players as bron then my opponent

Like give bron shockwave back or something

Or give him better perks

Most of his personal ones or butt

When I read the new character perks they got perks that help them expand combos and kill power

Bron got 3 gray health, 3 fire dmg, and bigger knock back on ball IF he hits a half court 3 pt

[meager halo]

ggs brother

[meager halo]

everytime i fight a garnet in general i get so pissed

like did they have an entire balance team working on her while someone who thinks lebron is fine is buffing lebron

garnet got too much

huge buffs

and huge gameplay changes

and a perk

she got everything

while we got the same lebron with the same gameplan but at the end of the day it's going to be " hey lebron got buffed so stop complaining " bcz in the patchnotes it says that he got buffed

jab dlight is only useful when near platforms and ur opponent is at higher health to connect it with jab jab side special

and it's inconsistent af like it's legit not easy to hit a " true " jab dlight

it drops like crazy

the only useable buff we got is with dair

other than that lebron is STILL the same tier

and i used to think jab dlight is good and useful

lol

[bold vortex]

jab dlight = turnaround downtilt?

[meager halo]

yuh

only useful if ur close to a platform and u do jab jab into side special

at late health

to get a kill confirm

[late socket]

NB dtilt would be better if it didn't have a multi hit or if the multihit messing up let you combo like a drag down

[jolly plume]

Annoyingly idk how it multihits and when it doesn’t so it’s probably better to remove it. Or have it actually spike lmao

[jolly plume]

Ah yes the buff that made nb dair a consistent useable move. It’s not like other characters had the same thing. Also like the down tilts while they are buffs aren’t even consistent. And a lot of the other changes are dodge movement based which doesn’t really matter much when his main problem is lacking good neutral and advantage.

[late socket]

Honestly I like it popping up its good for up air, down b traps, down air when the opponents above you

[jolly plume]

Yes but you need it to pop up first

[late socket]

True

[delicate mason]

Got it. Lebron will just have losing matchups against new seasonal characters. Duh.

[sage harness]

Exactly.

They'll see all the plus signs and think our character got buffed like crazy, when in reality he probably just got 2 bugfixes labeled as "buffs" and 3 nerfs labeled as bug fixes.

[meager halo]

bro it's so hard to use this character in tournies even tho i got a t8 in the first tourny for me but it was pain in the ass

i was legit being told to drop lebron and pick meta or a high tier character because lebron is ass

i honestly believe if they treated us like garnet in these s3 patchnotes it would've been way way better

[sage harness]

He's been ass since the game released. First 3 patches got him nerfs.

I couldn't stand the balancing team being this ass at their job so I just quit MVS

[misty plinth]

Lebron James has been listed as potentially going to P Diddy's freak parties. If he's complicit in the crimes at these parties, do you think PFG will remove him completely? Or just... replace him with a generic basketball player?

[late socket]

Micheal Jordan

[sage harness]

Micheal Jordan

[meager halo]

honestly at this point the chances of p diddy himself getting added into the game is higher than lebron getting properly buffed

[tiny kiln]

Most likely not

I know some games will remove but not entirely sure about MVS since it would be really complicated to flat out remove a character unless they just changed Lebron to someone else

[late socket]

@meager halo do you stream or got a YouTube? I'm just trying to learn from the best

[meager halo]

nope but i might start doing so

also feel free to ask any question

[left iris]

Naw this is crazy but tru😂😂

[serene prairie]

man i wish i had the grind like most of yall have. i play ranked with bron for about an hour max during sessions and i cant do it anymore lol

average like 30-45 mins

[late socket]

I'm just wondering, what's your game plan? What combos do you use and how do you kill?

[bold vortex]

he never takes his foot off the gas (atleast when i fought him), looking for openings after setting up down special

[meager halo]

#clips message here is the only case where jab dtilt is useful

[meager halo]

@bold vortex

I wanted to show this to you when we was talking bout jab dtilt the other day

[meager halo]

With bron I would say the main thing is ball knowledge, you need to know when to use em right when to bait with em when to zone with em
And you need to understand ur dodge meter because that is hella essential esp on lebron bcz you will do a lot of dodge attacks
Do not be afraid to do dodge attacks or use em in combos they’re essential
Once u put the pressure with lebron you’re in
You need to keep that pressure on to get the most amount of damage
With combos it doesn’t matter mostly you would do reads
You got a bread n butter like jab jab dodge dair into down special that you can then read into a tech chase with no sair
Honestly you just need to put the pressure that’s all u need
When it comes to killing it’s just the life of inconsistency right
You either kill early or very late or not killing at all
You can go for jab jab dodge up into nair to up air
Or you can do the normal jab jab up air
All of them are inconsistent and does not confirm at the same health all the time
You also have the jab jab platform side special kill confirm which works the best but yeah that’s all honestly

[bold vortex]

ah yeah i knew what u meant ive been using it sometimes

[jolly plume]

Tbf his kill stuff shouldn’t always kill at around the same health with different character weights and maps. Just like any character

[meager halo]

I’m not talking bout that,
Same character same weight same maps and it wouldn’t kill at the same health because the spacing of the up air matters it’s almost like a sweet spot thing so if u hit the jab from far away it’s not the same as close

[jolly plume]

I mean shouldn’t you hit them with the initial hitbox of it with Jab 2x into up air making it consistent

[meager halo]

Sometimes I’m killing Arya at 100 and other times I can’t kill her unless she’s at 150 as an example

[meager halo]

???

I’m talking about jab jab up air

[jolly plume]

I know your saying spacing matters on it but shouldn’t jab make it set up into up air in the exact same way?

[meager halo]

Yeah but that does not happen

And I’m afraid it’s not a di thing

That’s why jab 3x is inconsistent

Need to lab more tho to fully confirm but yeah I’ve tested in games

[jolly plume]

lol I’d imagine it’s a DI thing.

[meager halo]

yeah just tested it

not a di thing

the angle of the up air matters

stacked kills earlier

[late socket]

Nice thank you, I've been using most of those things, I just need to start using down special in the air and NB sair more often I think

[meager halo]

nb sair is essential

[late socket]

It's really his best combo starter aerial

[jolly plume]

You can’t play bron if you don’t do nb sair

[bold vortex]

cant relate i just kill arya at 30 with jab jab nair uair every time 😎

[meager halo]

I wish I can kill an Arya at 30 😭😭😭

[valid spoke]

How do u deal with Steven Universe

I CANT do anything against them

[manic thicket]

I need matchup advice into smith :)

[jolly plume]

Play a top tier

[valid spoke]

I have a perk idea for lebron

Make no look pass break armor or shield

[crisp trail]

How on earth do I fight this character. The basketballs are oppressive!

[jolly plume]

What character do you play?

[crisp trail]

Batman mostly. I know I can use his smoke grenade to help dodge but when it’s down I feel I don’t have many options.

[late socket]

If you dodge the balls they can't hit you again and the LeBron is stuck in no ball form

After that just watch out for no ball sair and maybe down air

[jolly plume]

Trying getting good at dodging through Lebrons stuff. Such as his balls and nb sair and nb dair and punishing with jab. Batarang is obviously really good so throw that when you can and also use down special in air cause that hitbox is really good and lebron can’t contest it.

[late socket]

Yeah but don't use down special when really high up because LeBron can just up air it

[jolly plume]

Also try keeping Lebron in air because he has horrible air drift so you can juggle him easily with up special

[crisp trail]

i didnt know dodging through the basketballs does that! thall help a lot. thanks guys

[final comet]

Legitimate question, does lebron have a single winning matchup?

[jolly plume]

Probably Jason and Velma and maybe some other ones

[delicate mason]

[decides to play a little even while tired. Runs into 2 TnJs. Wins. Turns off console to avoid TnJs for the evening]

[delicate mason]

Take advantage of batarang and grappling hook. Also his charged fist dash is a good way to get in (at least on me)

[bold vortex]

prety often u can get away with doing charged neutral attack when he tries to jump on you, also destroys the shields

[valid spoke]

I'll try thanks !

[meager halo]

u don't

character is too broken rn

and the mu was already like -2 for lebron

rn it's a lose lose for lebron

the buffs they gave to steven's areials made him absurd

[delicate mason]

Be patient they will flow chart, try and find moments you can counter. Break shields.
On ground, if you catch them with a jab, you can wait for a dodge and punish for a bit more damage.
If they are dumb to play on the ledge/wall, don’t miss your down special
I list earlier 2-1 but it came down to a random shield blasting me. Just a cracked character. But we got a ball right?

[molten ingot]

him being able to throw 700 balls on the map at a time makes it kinda hard to combat him, but maybe that's just me

[limpid quest]

What's up Bron james

[late socket]

Once you dodge them the balls lose their hitbox

[jolly plume]

Just dodge them so you win. It’s not that hard

[sage harness]

Nah if you struggle against lebron just drop the game dude

[valid spoke]

I have found a nice kill confirm with air walker perk #combos message

[jolly plume]

Nice

Might be pretty useful

They kinda have to DI a specific way for it to work I’d imagine

[vagrant bear]

I made an epic LeBron montage to represent all my fellow LeBrons ✊
https://youtu.be/F-knsGjiKpc

[bold vortex]

nice montage man, wp! 🐐

[late socket]

Actually fire, the ball usage goes crazy especially all of the up b spiking stuff

[unreal spoke]

lol P diddy

I wonder if LB is gonna get changed into a random dude since lebron has ties to P diddy

[forest flicker]

Actually jab is better kill confirm than up air, maybe thats why

[forest flicker]

you cant that fat kid is our direct counter

[forest flicker]

iron giant, jack and jason. I usually have good results with them but be careful with pro jason players, they can 0td

[native tundra]

@sage harness seems cool, but very specific. Not sure if it's worth ditching a perk for airwalker just for this. Nice work though

[sage harness]

Be fr now that ain't happening in a real match unless the opponent's doodoo

[meager halo]

Useless

Even if it doesn’t need di and it’s always going to hit that early and true like that it’s still useless

Never use air walker with LeBron

[night oracle]

#combos message

#combos message

[serene prairie]

He couldnt get away lol. Also new skin!? 👀

[night oracle]

new skin fye

i actually like it

mainly cuz the basketball is black

looks clean ngl brodie

[serene prairie]

boots up when he gets home from work

good looks bro

it does look clean from the vid

#clips message

cool little sequence. Was satisfied to finally hit a “nb dtilt to up air” in a lengthened combo

[bold vortex]

very spicy!

[late socket]

Finally another NB dtilt believer lol

[serene prairie]

yeah i dont try to use it TOO much, it's not really consistent

depends on who im fighting

but glad i was able to hit it against BJ

[late socket]

That's true

[jolly plume]

Hey I will believe it works when I use it to scoop on a platform for a kill. Otherwise it’ll die in a trench.

[late socket]

True

[mossy marten]

For some reason I can't forward this but I dropped something #combos

[late socket]

Good stuff, I wouldn't think to go for raw dair into up air like that

[nimble knoll]

You are my sunshine my only sunshine

[jolly plume]

Bron

[viscid rivet]

whos better when fully mastered lebron or harley

[meager halo]

lol

Harley is better any time brother

[jolly plume]

Almost any character is better than lebron so harley

[meager halo]

harley sair is an entire character

[jolly plume]

Somehow shaggy kick is an entire character in 2s

[safe sequoia]

anyone got a good bread and butter combo for my sunshine or is he mostly relying on reads?

[late socket]

A lot of his combos lead into a tech chase but some basic bnbs are:

1. jab > jab > dodge up (or dodge up diagonally if they DI out) dair > nair > up air/sair
2. jab > jab > dodge up dair (or dodge up diagonally if they DI out) > down b > tech chase with NB (no ball) sair > jab
3. Jab > neutral special angled down > NB down air > tech chase with neutral special > NB sair > jab
4. Jab > neutral special angled down > NB dair > tech chase with jab
5. Jab > neutral special angled down > NB sair > jab
6. At around 50-100 percent you can do jab > jab > up dodge nair > up air for an early kill but it depends on DI and the weight of your opponent's character. If they DI out you can dodge up diagonally toward where they DI and up air afterwards.

[safe sequoia]

This helps a lot thanks!

[sage harness]

Any character is better than lebron mastered or not 😂

[bold vortex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009540458868899951/1277529250320093288/image.png?ex=6704de54&is=67038cd4&hm=28a9e05d491e31ae22caae9e52c5c2d1ef89d353028b633e8de2bf3dabd745bc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=450&height=585

for jab jab dodge nair upair, some of these can be a few points off

[sage harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kcab-nX47o

multiversus catching strays everywhere lol

deserved tbh 🤷‍♂️

[jolly plume]

Watched the video very nice.

[sage harness]

Rivals 2 boutta be the best platform fighter in history

[jolly plume]

probably

Will at least be more fun than Multiversus. The characters I will lost all their depth. Like ground game for every character is just jab and a lot of times there is nothing else better to do

Whereas actually having tilts and smash attacks makes the ground game more unique for each character.

[sage harness]

Mhm

[sage harness]

Tell me a single platform fighter that's not more fun than multiversus

Hell even Brawlhalla has more depth to it

[late socket]

The issue is most characters tilts aren't as good as their jabs and therefore people only go for jab. And the fact that LeBron's tilts suck doesn't help

[jolly plume]

They don’t have forward tilts or smash attacks to add depth to ground game. I mean it makes sense why jabs are so good because on the ground it’s the only effective attack that hits in front whereas the other tilts are vertical

[late socket]

Yeah I was thinking that as well. Honestly idk why they felt the need to simplify the game like that

[jolly plume]

I mean I was fine with it in the beta because that game was faster and more air based because of dodge jump movement so there felt like way more options and creativity. With the game being slower and more grounded leads to just jab spam and makes it feel like characters need more

[late socket]

Yeah true

[late socket]

@meager halo do you ever play in tourneys?

[meager halo]

Yeah

[bold vortex]

wtf is up with rp gain today? yesterday i got +5 +6 every match in d2, today im getting +40 every single win, no matter if its vs gold 4 players or master+ players

[valid spoke]

And how much do u loose ??

[bold vortex]

4 💀

https://imgur.com/Qf0Vxie

[bold vortex]

diamond 2 to master 5 in 7 games hahaha

[bold vortex]

friendly reminder since everyone plays batman this patch, jab jab nair upair kills batman at 45 🫡

[late socket]

Only on DI in tho

[jolly plume]

I thought you can reverse the nair for DI out no?

Or do a more diagonal dodge on nair

[late socket]

Idk about reversing the nair but that might work

Diagonal dodge is somewhat unreliable I've found

[bold vortex]

true i just tested, if they DI out its true at 50 instead

doesnt even matter if you dodge diagonal or straight up

[sage harness]

Gotta love how multiversus can't stop catching strays in every single rivals 2 video I watch 💀

[late socket]

Sr.Pinwino are you just here to hate?

[jolly plume]

He is mostly just here to chat cause he just drop the game.