The Iron Giant

[keen cape]

So far it feels like his combos are just stuff like nair into jab only once, If you know any neat combos hes got to replace jab into plant I'd love to see them

[rich vigil]

The plant is unfortunately still pretty bad

I do nair into grab into jab nair and then after I just follow wherever my opponent dodges/DIs.

[keen cape]

In retrospect I should've seen that plant change coming considering how Techs literally made the chain better, I'll try playing around with that combo

also the down attack now launching forward instead of down is super trippy

[abstract python]

Pros:
-Better offstage/edge-guard game now that nair sends downwards
-Nair groundbounce opens up new routes such as Nair > Grab
-Uptilt is now a better anti-air
-Rage Mode is still good because you still have infinite rockets and down special
-Blind Spot Guard replaces Pugilist as the 3rd slot
-Still has the Jab2 > Up Special tech
-Recovering fuel on ledge has been reverted

Cons:
-No dodging after Jab and Downtilt no longer groundbounces, making his offstage carry and combo game limited
-Both Side B stuns are slightly easier to mash out of
-No Bolts cooldown reduction in Rage Mode forces him to camp with it or risk getting juggled/pressured with less melee options
-Dair is still mid, 5% or Wrong Side of the Bed likely remaining his best options
-Vertical kill options do not exist due to the loss of conversions into upair
-Slower movement speed on start on up special makes his neutral slightly worse
-Most of his matchups aside from TnJ have gotten worse or stayed relatively the same

Overall I think he’s still good; Low High tier or High Mid tier in 1s (Can’t speak on 2s since I haven’t played enough) It’s just gonna take some getting used to and learning how to apply the new changes optimally

[keen cape]

Just recently fought a Superman and it really makes me realize how worthless the new rage mode is, the rockets and lasers are nice but I’d argue the biggest tool I used was the stomp due to the shockwave it had, it gave IG a way to avoid just getting rushed down by the entire cast, now technically you can do stuff with the downspecial laser but it’s not the same

[abstract python]

Yeah you gotta space with down special and uptilt spam now

U cant run it down

At all

[keen cape]

Superman doesn’t actually care about those since he’s got really strong mobility to begin with and the lack of a get off me took just means he’ll open your cheeks wide open

Also while nair grab can happen it’s super finicky, it’s most reliable when you do the fully charged nair imo

[abstract python]

U gotta prefire it

Else its inconsistent

Like I just start mashing side b during nair and it usually lands

[keen cape]

Just feels like a really scuffed option for what we lost

Also makes me wish we got something else in return like a move being able to break armor so it’s not just his forward smash

[sinful dust]

They removed jab IAD nair?

[young relic]

I just wish they would revert the hitstun change and weight of IG back to what it was

[rich vigil]

Yes 😔

IG can't IAD out of jab at all anymore

[sinful dust]

Oof

L change

[sick atlas]

With the ground bounces being limited to 2, I cant see why IAD from jab needed to be removed

I think it would give 1 more singular jab but otherwise it no longer pops people off stage into up special

I've played him a bit, I think he isnt completely washed, but he certainly is out of top 10 imo

I think that is where PFG wants him, due to the character hate he gets

kind of sucks though, watch any good player on stream, they all complain, about the top 15, every match, especially if they are losing- people dont like losing in fighting games and blame characters, this cant be news to PFG

[wary fox]

i think the dodge after jab was removed for its ledge use

like when you used jab iad nair at ledge, you would save a jump which is huge

[mint python]

kinda over ig at this point it feels like they are doing nothing but make him less fun every patch i get ragemode nerfs but why iad

[sick atlas]

You might be right, that being said I am getting early kills with charged nair-> hit them to ledge-> air dodge to jab -> jump nair (fast fall after second hit)-> air dodge into sair into the blast zone

I've felt like the combo is super similar, its map/char dependent, but it does work

[sick atlas]

If they cooked ragemode Id understand, but his core loop + rage mode + new useless down tilt has made me less happy to play for sure

[keen cape]

I love having to unlearn a combo that in any other smash-like would actually function right

also idk if its due to the hitboxes but it feels like sometimes his upspecial just goes through people and projectiles

[sick atlas]

I'm not sure if anyone else is like me, but I had a lot of trouble hitting IAD for a while, then once it clicks it feels awesome, having that removed made me feel like putting energy into learning things isnt worth it maybe

[mint python]

iron giant was too silly they hating 😩

[keen cape]

Down special will always surprise me with how many weaker looking moves it loses to. Like as a tool I get what it’s for but it just feels like it would have armor or something

[rich vigil]

Up special is even worse

That move loses every trade, it's ridiculous

[mint python]

to be fair like every single move of ig looks like it should have armor just cuz hes so big

[keen cape]

True though its range and ability to screw up enemies stuck on projectiles makes it feel better to me, in comparison Down special literally is just for the edge

[rich vigil]

I'll use it sometimes to get back to the ground

I usually dodge out of it into a fair/or into a jab

[keen cape]

It depends on the character, if you try that with the joker you’ll always get punished, TnJ will paddle ya, though some matchups it can be useful like most close up fighters

The dodge out of it is probably the best part of it though I’ve had times where you just can’t dodge out of it which sucked

[fluid ermine]

Did they do something or why I can't escape jab jab up b

Like

I couldn't

Not even dodge DI out

[keen cape]

Oh like did you get hit by an IG using Jab into Up Special?

[fluid ermine]

Yes

While I was in the ledge with him

[rich vigil]

Is it the jab 2 tech

If it is you can't escape it

[fluid ermine]

Oh god

I knew something was different

[rich vigil]

Yeah it's like a frame perfect input but if you do right you do jab 2 and up special at the same time

[keen cape]

Interesting

I remember once pulling off an up special after landing a down special though don’t think I’ve done a jab to up special

[fluid ermine]

So I can't do anything to escape that? Or some DI?

[rich vigil]

Nope

[uncut bronze]

its true you just have to eat it

[frigid reef]

on the third hit of jab 1, press up-special, and then quickly press side-attack. works every time

[abstract python]

nah u just gotta take it, best thing to do against it is DI in the moment you see the movestack

so u dont die early

cuz he can catch di out

[wary fox]

I was doing it today i think it's really broken, but obviously a bug so i wont do it anymore

its funny that the bug, and infinite grab at 150+ is not patched, but the fun stuff is, and moves are being made useless (dtilt)

[abstract python]

Im abusing it till it gets patched and then im gonna downplay IG when it inevitably gets removed

Your characters bugs are awesome if they inconvenience your opponent🙏

[keen cape]

We gotta use it after they took away our actual tools

[rich vigil]

I actually don't what the devs were even thinking about making dtilt send horizontally

Assuming they were thinking at all

[keen cape]

how useful is the falling up special compared to the original?

[rich vigil]

It's a true combo that costs no resources and can lead to a kill at ledge if the opponent messes up

I don't use it only because it's really hard and it'll definitely be patched out

[keen cape]

I attempted it in training and it just feels like a weaker version of the normal up special

Maybe I’m using it wrong?

[wary fox]

yeah probably its just jab1, up special, jab2 i dont think it is hard to do input wise, but timing wise it might be to get the most out of it

[keen cape]

oh when i do it he just falls over while using upspecial

I dont get a jab2

[rich vigil]

The fall is jab 2

[keen cape]

oh right lol

im a bit stupid

[rich vigil]

I believe there's a way to fly with up special after you fall

[wary fox]

yep and you have momentum which was buffed

you should not fall completely

[stable umbra]

What's the best way to DI out of Iron giant combos?

[rich vigil]

Out

But don't get too predictable

[stable umbra]

out and up or out and down?

[rich vigil]

Depends on what the IG likes to go for

[stable umbra]

okay thank you

[rich vigil]

If they keep going for up special then down

It's good to mix up your DI against giant

If he lands a jab you should DI out tho. It makes so nair can't connect

[stable umbra]

is the nuetral gaurnteed after jab or can you DI out?

also when you get hit by the spinning car can you di out? thanskies for the advice.

[uncut bronze]

jab neutral attack is guaranteed you cant DI it

[stable umbra]

okay good to know

[sick atlas]

The only use I have found for it, is if you are facing a wall, it seems like jab combos into it, which then combos into another jab, due to a wall bounce

[rich vigil]

Yes, it's bs

[hallow scroll]

@wary fox bro how are you still cooking up to upper gm this season with the current IG. Teach us your ways 😭

[wary fox]

we just have to use brain now, if you have a question maybe i can answer

[sick atlas]

Caveman combos were half the reason you played this guy 🤖

[keen cape]

I gotta know since you're GM what do you think the IG Mu chart is now?

[rough turret]

how does one play the metal big boy

[sick atlas]

Lots to learn, watch many recent videos of games and combos to see his early kill potential and combo potential

[keen cape]

Nair into Jab into forward smash

That’s most of your gameplay, also if you get hit once you’re gonna be stuck in a combo that will take you to 80%

[wary fox]

i dont downplay usually but it's gotta be the worst in the game, bad matchups are much harder to win, because some of them got buffed while ig was nerfed, and some good matchups were also buffed, new character is a bad one too

[keen cape]

glad I'm not the only one who feels that way, I remember superman feeling like a semi possible matchup to win before but now the changes just make it feel like a dark souls boss

also the way nair throws them away if you hit them from behind just throws me off so much

[hidden wagon]

I love seeing IG still OP after 20 nerfs in a row, I don't understand how you can be so ass to use it, spam 3 skills the whole game and win 3-0

[rich vigil]

You're actually just garbage if you think he's still OP

[hidden wagon]

Yeah pretty Op, just stop to use it Bob

[rich vigil]

Go play as iron giant for a day and then tell me he's still OP with a straight face

[hidden wagon]

You are currently embarrassing if you don't admit it. I'll show you that in the next patch they will nerf something else, something will mean.

[uncut bronze]

he's a literal mid tier now and yall still complaining about IG

character falls off so hard in higher levels of play rn

[mint python]

he feels prety samey excluding rage ngl rage mode though eugh

[warm skiff]

i think youre just trash

nobody thinks current ig is good

when he has no combos

[rich vigil]

Do you think you could explain in more detail why you think Iron giant is broken

Because so far all you've given us is "spam 3 skills and win 3-0"

[fluid ermine]

I only think dtilt of iron giant with rage is op

Other than that the jab 2 tech is a little bit unfair but that's it

[rich vigil]

Are you talking about the stomp or the laser

[fluid ermine]

Stomp

[rich vigil]

The stomp is ass without the shockwave what

[fluid ermine]

Doesn't stomp does a shockwave?... Or did they changed something?

[rich vigil]

No it doesn't anymore

[fluid ermine]

Okay then I'm wrong, he is fine

Still, a little bit stressing fighting against him

And now I have PTSD after the jab 2 tech 😭

[rich vigil]

Yeah it's definitely getting patched out lmao

He's had it since last season but there hasn't been that big of a reason to use it until now

[uncut bronze]

i think he's always had it we just didnt find it until mets accidentally did it while fighting me

[mint python]

i wish they made nair more consistently throw the enemy infront of you

its so annoying feels like a 50 50 if im gona be able to follow up or get hit

[hallow scroll]

Does any other top IG stream besides bobo?

For 1v1s

[rich vigil]

Folzify

Tho he switches around between 1s and 2s

I used to stream a little bit but I stopped because I've just been busy and couldn't do it consistently

[warm skiff]

buff ig

[abstract python]

Im gonna downplay so hard when the tech gets removed🙏

[vapid elm]

Is IG slowly becoming a Velma

[rich vigil]

Yes

Unlike other low/mid tiers iron giant will probably never get buffed because everybody hates him

[glossy spindle]

sad

love IG he's a wholesome guy

[sick atlas]

you mean jab2 upspecial?

[keen cape]

calling it now next patch they're gonna nerf IG again, they're gonna add a cooldown for the rockets and lasers and probably make Nair into Grab impossible

as long as IG is playable people are gonna treat him like a broken character

[rich vigil]

I mean they left him alone for like 2 patches in a row before season 3 hit

I think they'll just patch out the up special tech

And by I think I mean really hope because I don't know how much more I can take

[wary fox]

Ngl this doesnt change much

[keen cape]

it also sucks considering we haven't gotten another big tank yet so there's no alternatives

can't wait for IG to become a Nair into Jab into forward smash bot

[wary fox]

I got top 5 in tourney today without grab nor rage

[sick atlas]

I worry that they pay attention to vocal minorities, which many hate IG

[wary fox]

And not abusing the bug either

So they can nerf all that, character is still good

[keen cape]

honestly would love to see your gameplay to see how I can improve since atm it really doesn't feel like theres a useful IG resource compared to other characters

also slight warning in the IG Banana matchup if you get too close BG's cry attack can trap you. Spark gets you out but if you used it before then its a trap

[rich vigil]

Like an infinite or?

[keen cape]

im not sure since I had spark but at least one cry into another was inescapable, my hope is it just means he can trap you at low % to about 100+

just so its not an instant lost stock

the guy I was fighting wasn't taking it seriously despite playing ranked but maybe he just wanted to show it off?

[shy shore]

what bug?

[vestal birch]

Make Iron Gigant smaller and lighter

And rework him after that

[rich vigil]

Whyy

He's already so bad

[vestal birch]

Cuz you cant balance an character that big

[vestal birch]

He isnt lol

[rich vigil]

He's alright

But in a world full of broken characters he might as well be bad

Honestly if they made his nair and up special actually work consistently and left him alone I think he'd be fine

He's the most balanced he's ever been right now it's just that his kit doesn't function correctly half of the time

[vestal birch]

He is also broken wdym

He just isnt that broken compared to the top tiers

[rich vigil]

Tell me you're bad at the matchup without telling me you're bad at the matchup

[vestal birch]

Mf he doesnt die at 160 and kills hella early

How is he bad

His hitboxes are also giant

Just like him lol

Thats why i say he should be lighter and smaller, but still the biggest and heaviest character

[rich vigil]

Limited combos, limited range, easily comboed, struggles to escape combos without bursts (you get once per stock), struggles to land more than any other character, exploitable recovery, inconsistent moves (most notably nair and up special)

I think he's a fine character

But he's not overpowered

[rich vigil]

His hurtbox is bigger than his hitboxes

Giant can't contest anything

[warm skiff]

erm

must we mention its eu

[wary fox]

still 90 player tournament, and i got 90% wr on ladder since i figured stuff out, stop downplaying iron giant, just play shaggy if you cant play him anymore

[warm skiff]

tickletoe beat pumba furry 9-3

and tickle struggles over here

so idk whats going on in eu

[wary fox]

who cares honestly

[warm skiff]

lemme put it in football/sports terms

[wary fox]

the point is iron giant is not a bad character

why do you bring eu level in it

[warm skiff]

cuz you cant tell ig is bad

its like if southampton got put in leauge 2

the team would look amazing

same with jason

[glossy spindle]

God I hope they never do that lol

Takes the fun of playing a big character out

[rich vigil]

Well he definitely ain't a good character lol

[warm skiff]

hes bottom mid

still usable

but like cant beat top tiers

except joker

ig beats joker

[rich vigil]

Good to know

[wary fox]

i tried to convince, it's not working so i'll just say this is my opinion, i think Ig is top 10 up to 5 if you abuse the bug

[abstract python]

Ive got em low high/top of mid

In 1s atleast

Im ass at 2s and thus cannot speak on it

Definitely gonna need more labbing tho cuz rn im just a jab bug merchant

I miss IAD nair mindgames man

[wary fox]

We have more mindgames now i actually enjoy more than pre patch

Doing nair dair 5 times in a row, double nair offstage

[abstract python]

I do enjoy nair dair tech reads

Im lowkey just doing that and jab2 stuff

When it gets patched ima need to lock in and learn his normal stuff

[warm skiff]

wait a minute

qafdz isnt a gooner anymore

wtf

[abstract python]

Class of 09 flipside dropped gangalicious

Rep changed for the time being

🙏

[keen cape]

last place I'd find a Class of 09 fan lol

also Morty's Rock is way too good against IG man

[tidal wigeon]

Why does rage mode feel so god awful now? Like it feels like a detriment now. What should I be doing in rage mode now?

[warm skiff]

just learn claw controller grip

spam down special + side tilt + up tilt

[fluid ermine]

Now you are the one with a gooner pfp...

[warm skiff]

this isnt a gooner pfp

its from tnj

[fluid ermine]

Pass me the link then 🗣️

[sick atlas]

When you say jab2 stuff are you mainly just talking about jab 2 up special? I’ve used it a bit and it honestly seems meh to me.

[abstract python]

Kills at 25+ if they’re DI’ng out depending on the map and it does the most damage out of any true confirm giant has iirc

[wary fox]

its frame perfect

[sick atlas]

Do we have any more example videos than just that PPG one? I feel like o am able to do it but don’t have the same use

[tidal wigeon]

That's good to know! I'll practice it. Idk why I'm struggling with IG now. Prior to this patch I was still doing great but I must be doing something wrong.

[shy shore]

iwl ive been enjoying giant a lot more than i thought i would have despite the nerfs

[keen cape]

Because the groove is gone, Going from rocket to stomp was a perfect defense. Also while down special up tilt kinda replaces it the change in coverage makes it feel worse. Also the lack of more consistent burst means characters like Superman, Finn, and any character with a semi decent close range game will make you a punching bag

[keen cape]

It's a mix of frame perfect and correct spacing since if you're too close the falling hitbox misses them. It's a scuffed option but probably the best to actually fight people

[shy shore]

Any new sauce discovered with this character?

Everything he had was practically removed so thought I’d ask

[shy shore]

He's still fine imo

Combos aren't as egregious anymore but u still get decent damage off jab and nair if you react to the direction correctly

[vestal birch]

Good

[keen cape]

at this point I just debate on conceading against all Morty players since its such a terrible time

like it makes me hope they gut Morty how unfun he is to play against

[shy shore]

?

[rich vigil]

He's an iron giant hater

He came in and started complaining the other day about how "broken" Iron Giant was but didn't really have any great points as to why

[glossy spindle]

love it when people cry broken over everything

[frigid reef]

if i get top 100 by the end of the season, but am not grand master, do i get the GM title?

[fluid ermine]

You get gm for entering top 100
Sometimes it's a bug and it shows someone being gm 101 but you need to enter there to have it

If you get out from the top 100 they take the badge and everything

[frigid reef]

oh dang

[vestal birch]

Iron Gigant is also one of the most unfun characters to play against

Cuz he doesnt die at 160

And gets to use last stand for some reason

[rich vigil]

Who phantom pinged me

I will find you

[keen cape]

I feel having to do more % isn't as bad as naviagting a minefield of gernades, lingering hitbox rocks, and morty spam dodging his way around. I also have a big hatred for his upair and how it can just be used to scoop IG in almost any situation

[uncut bronze]

mid tier that easily gets lamed out, nobody should be having problems fighting him rn

[mint python]

yeah tbh i just hate what they did with rage mode atleast in 1v1s it feels like a straight up nerf

[rich vigil]

It was a nerf

[mint python]

no lmao ik it was a nerf i mean like your nerfing yourself for using rage

[rich vigil]

Oooh

Yeah I feel that

[keen cape]

it feels so weird when Black Adam had a similar extra effect on an attack they just had it have a cooldown, I feel the shockwave should've just had a cooldown so you could still use it as a tool

[rich vigil]

Rage Mode is surprisingly susceptible to projectiles

[keen cape]

like its unfair Black Adam gets to keep a tool like the up air lightning while IG needs to remove the shockwave

[rich vigil]

They should make the stomp where if you charge it all the way then it has the shockwave

I think it was like that in the beta

[keen cape]

that would be a fair compromise tbh

maybe having a longer and shorter wave depending on the charge

[mint python]

cooldown would be cool for it

[knotty perch]

what about if it lands?

[keen cape]

Love how Agent Smiths bullets dont count as a projectile, so awesome

[rich vigil]

Honestly I think it's better this way

You can parry it and punish them for it

If it was a projectile, if you parried it, you wouldn't be able to punish Smith

[knotty perch]

^

easy to parry too

[keen cape]

today learned IG's grab can be parried....they really hate him don't they?

they gave him the worst grab just so he can land a slightly charged smash attack or a jab smash combo...its not even as powerful as jason and supes

[knotty perch]

every attack can be parried

[keen cape]

cna you parry the other two grabs in the game?

because I dont think you can

or garnets grab?

or taz's glorified grabs with tornado and fight cloud?

[knotty perch]

yeah

[knotty perch]

you can parry jack’s, what’s the other one?

[keen cape]

jasons grab, super mans grab, tazs glorified grabs

[fringe meteor]

Yeah

You can parry Smith’s

[knotty perch]

yeah

[keen cape]

I wanan see proof you can parry supermans grab ngl

[knotty perch]

what’s taz’s grab?

[knotty perch]

the air up special?

[keen cape]

both side and up special for supes

Taz's are glorified with both tornado and fight cloud since they scoop you in with little ways to counter it other than projectiles

[knotty perch]

#clips message

[knotty perch]

tornado is really easy to parry and the up special can only be parried on startup I think

[keen cape]

oh, I guess I just suck ass since I can't ever pull it off

[knotty perch]

it gets easier with practice

[grim rampart]

How does IG's burst work? Does it auto-activate at certain percentages or is it entirely manual?

[wary fox]

its just his neutral special, so manual

[grim rampart]

Dang, the way these IG's waste burst made me think it was an automatic thing.

[wary fox]

there is also a bug that uses it automatically when trying to dodge/parry out of hitstun for keyboard users, or they just waste it the second they get hit thats also a possibility

[fluid ermine]

Nah but a lot of people use it as fast as they get hit
Not a bad thing unless you are at high % so take care of that

[warm skiff]

i love murdering people at 0 with bolts

its so silly

[fluid ermine]

Me but remove everything after people 😁

[sick atlas]

TnJ uptilt nerf fellas, we are up

[uncut bronze]

now steven nerf when

[proven orbit]

Is it me or did they nerf Iron Giant?! Cause I notice sometimes he can’t down special(ironically when I’m getting juggled or have high HP) and the way I just got combo’d by Batman should be criminal (I couldn’t dodge out) 😭. Is anyone else going through this?

[fluid ermine]

Yeah they nerfed iron giant + Batman rn is probably the second best character in the game, it's just broken and he plays another game

[shy shore]

Steven got buffed with game mechanic changes

I don't see a nerf coming soon

Curse these pesky characters with Steve in the name

Buffed every 48 hours

[wary fox]

Dodge up vs batman

[warm skiff]

Dodge vs multiversus

[fluid ermine]

Yo is t1carry man it was nice to see you yesterday in the diddy party 😁

[coarse vault]

SCUM

[warm skiff]

even after ig became bad

hater mentality is strong

[glossy spindle]

people always gonna whine and hate regardless of the state of the character they despise

[coarse vault]

It’s not a mentality it’s a lifestyle bro

[rich vigil]

You don't have a life

[coarse vault]

This is my life

[rich vigil]

I stand corrected

[coarse vault]

Nah u stand wrong

[knotty flame]

How is IG after this patch does he still have a bunch of cheese with jab into IAD nair

[mint python]

he litteraly doesnt have jab iad nair lmao

[abstract python]

hes still very solid in 1s atleast

losing jab IAD nair wasnt that bad now cuz he can abuse new stuff with groundbounce nair

the real stinger is rage mode nerfs and matchup chart getting worse

[sick atlas]

Solid in 1s is kind of hard to agree with imo, over half the cast is rough matchups vs competent players

he is fine, probably middle of the tier list, slightly higher maybe

he isnt what he was

[abstract python]

I personally havent been struggling too much outside of a few mus

The mu chart is worse for sure but he has tools that he can abuse still

[sick atlas]

He is decent now, just not top 5 which I think he was pre-patch. I am also not taking into account jab2 glitch, which is good, but is 100% gone next large patch

[abstract python]

Yeah even without jab2 I think nair dair tech chase keeps him just out of top 10

If they remove that stuff then ill start doomposting 👽

[sick atlas]

jab dair is good but it only works if they 1.) DI in, 2.) are like 40-90% range, otherwise its DIable or you can dodge out

[abstract python]

Yeah jab-nair is only good for catching specific DI

Nair-dair is the real nasty stuff

[coarse vault]

He’s still scum

[knotty flame]

Don’t you call every character scum?

[coarse vault]

Nah only scum characters

[warm skiff]

Rick polymorph is scum

[coarse vault]

Has viable counter play so not really

[warm skiff]

Counterplay is “don’t get jabbed…..once”

[coarse vault]

😂 bro has a bottom 2 jab in the game lol and does like 40 Max with 2 cooldowns …. Get better bro 😂🙏🏾

[warm skiff]

https://x.com/wulfsite/status/1839368969079439390?s=46

Sure

[coarse vault]

Yah the guys who ur showing me limits the ppl for his post I wonder why lol

[rich vigil]

So annoying people like you aren't on his posts

[coarse vault]

Ik I couldn’t Imagine what ppl he has on his post

[shy shore]

He can still do jab nair sair depending on di

Also on some characters im psure u can do jab jump airdodge diagonally down nair into an extender

[analog narwhal]

Hey random question from a non-IG player.
In 2’s when IG goes rage mode. Is it better for me to hop in or actually just stay outside and keeping fighting along side super IG?

[abstract python]

Hop in and do the special blast

Then hop out and fight alongside him

If ur close to dying tho then just stay in

[analog narwhal]

Thanks!

[sick atlas]

Do we chain nair dair often? seems like an easy way to go through your dodge bar for 25% damage

[abstract python]

25??

brother

a few good reads and they at 90

plus you dont need dodge meter for it most of the time

unless theyre teching away and its one of the smaller dudes

[coarse vault]

SCUM

[jagged flint]

New ig skin hittin

[sick atlas]

Do you have an example to show? I believe you but my dair never seems true, I am doing it as fast as I possibly can

[uncut bronze]

bc nair dair isnt true and if they di away they dont get hit by it

but nair into iad dair is true at low to mid percents and guarantees a tech chase scenario

it has to be raw nair though not jab nair

[sick atlas]

Sure but if you nair into IAD dair, they just tech away no?

[abstract python]

#clips message

[sick atlas]

its a good example but its on Jason, I have a hard time keeping people like morty or finn down

[abstract python]

#clips message

[uncut bronze]

if they tech away you can follow it with a dodge jab

[shy shore]

Giant mains, how do I do the Jab 1 Up Special Jab 2 thing

[rich vigil]

Jab 1 and then you gotta jab 2 and up special not exactly at the same time but super close together

[shy shore]

Any order I should do it in first?

Like upb first or jab 2 first

[knotty perch]

up special first

[shy shore]

Sound

[hallow scroll]

if any good igs are online rn theres a king of the hill being hosted on DR4C0Ottv twitch channel w a $60 prize pool, would be interesting to see an ig get in on it. games are out of 1 and you need 15 wins in a row to win

pumbafurry, flacoco, smarty1ups, tamunokuro, whispers, etc all playin it rn. current koth holder only on a 3 win streak rn so still early

[rich vigil]

I always go 2-2 in his tournaments

[fluid ermine]

I just had an iron giant spam nair out of everything

Like

Jump side b and when he was falling nair

Nair out of disadvantage

Idk if that move is ok ngl

🙁

It was the ig number 3 in the leaderboard

He wasn't even playing good ngl, just getting carried by that

I don't think iron giant is a mid tier char sorry, I don't even think they can balance this character with how big and how slow the game is bow

[wary fox]

come on if he does that all the time its not hard to play around it

[wary fox]

i know who that is and agree tho xdd

[fluid ermine]

I tried but was really fast if he just use it like nothing

The only thing that I could do was getting a little bit of advantage with platform but third game I had a map without platform so it was harder

The only good thing about that was getting lucky of that not hitting me and punishing sending him off stage

[wary fox]

all i will say for nair mashers is to dodge up

[fluid ermine]

I won the first set and then I lost everything damn 😓

I'll try if this game wants me to suffer again lol, I need to learn the MU even more

Thx

[wary fox]

who do you play ?

[fluid ermine]

Morty, I know it's a good matchup but that gigantic piece of metal makes me nervous

[wary fox]

oh well idk how morty should play this. i think ig wins this matchup atm

[rich vigil]

It's all he has bro

[abstract python]

this game has a bad record of characters having an abomination of an attack and then its okay cuz "its the only thing they have" except its unironically right

[rich vigil]

This game would really benefit from having tilts and smash attacks instead of lumping them all together

[fluid ermine]

I think that's a problem tbh, still idk how they can balance this character without making it and absolute monster

It's like the Jake case, he goes absolutly crazy top 1 or it's the worst character in the game

[rich vigil]

Giant's fine

Even if you think he isn't mid tier there's literally no case for him being broken

[warm skiff]

diffed pumbafurry

so now i can call eu bad

im sigma

[coarse vault]

Ur scum

[fluid ermine]

Everything's fine and fair until jab 2 tech appears

[warm skiff]

i play rick now

since hes busted

im officially scum

[coarse vault]

That’s so hot

He’s not busted tho

Nice rage bait

[knotty flame]

Yeah ground game is so mindless with jab spamming because of it

[mint python]

the nair throwing the enmies back randomly is so annoying

how do you get that to be consistent

[twilit cairn]

are you guys alright??? i just want to ask.. i’m worried about yall..

yall haven’t had a buff since beta and haven’t seen yall since season 1…

[mint python]

we got pfg balanced

[twilit cairn]

darn…… IG should be the strongest character ever

[fluid ermine]

I got my revenge on lonelydripp >:)

And they gave me 30 points

Not that fair because he is the number 3 in the leaderboard but we take it

[coarse vault]

He’s also scum to

I beat him to

[rich vigil]

Oh gee the character with a +2 mu and on an already mid tier character won how crazy is that

[coarse vault]

What are u yapping about ig is better than Rick lol

And still the character is scum

[wary fox]

i thought you meant the number 3 ig, lonelydrip is not bad i think

[wary fox]

just learn the 0td

[coarse vault]

That’s not consistent no thanks

[shy shore]

It's insane how this has been true since launch

Characters will feel relatively normal then they use the nuclear bomb button they were graciously given by the devs

And it'll be the most absurd thing you've ever seen

[fluid ermine]

Oh yeah I mean, I'm not saying he was bad but the first time I fought he was very repetitive

I guess if it works it works

But this time is not like that haha

[hybrid relic]

@jagged bison good character choice you would not succeed with anyone else

[shy shore]

Any new ig combo routes?

[fluid ermine]

The nair of ig is not okay sorry

[rich vigil]

You're right it's really inconsistent and people fall out a lot

They should fix that

[fluid ermine]

Nah the problem with iron giant is how light he is

They should buff that

[rich vigil]

Yeah you're right

[mint python]

they nerfed his weight cuz the old burst cd kept it balanced but than they nerfed burst cd aswell and forgot about his weight 😔

[fluid ermine]

I still can't believe how broken is IG nair

Maybe not just the move

But dodge nair?

I really can't do anything against that

[shy shore]

dodge boosting moves makes them very messed up

unfortunately its a side effect of this game that will never be changed

cuz u cant change it without entirely reworking dodging

[sick atlas]

PFG knows about the jab2 cancel boys

time to pack it up

[warm skiff]

how do you know

[abstract python]

Yeah I would like a source on that too

[fluid ermine]

Iirc qquirky said that nakat was in a voice channel, idk if someone told him about the jab 2 but it's nothing weird, a lot of people got hit by that

[abstract python]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it got patched but I am curious as to what exactly he said about Giant if anyone has a clip or 2

[frigid reef]

dang, y'all still playing Iron Giant? scum 🧢 I heard Jason was getting a rework next season, maybe IG will too

[abstract python]

I just want Static Discharge to be good and a new skin

They can patch Jab2 and nerf rage mode gain in 2s for all I care

Just lemme keep dair nair tech chase and gimme skins

And we gucci

[frigid reef]

It'll stay in the game. it's possible to get out of dair nair by holding DI upwards it is just people don't know

[fluid ermine]

I don't know what he said tbh, but they told him, just saw a voice channel with the name "Yap session with nakat" and it's on a competitive server, pretty sure everyone knows about the jab 2 tech

[rich vigil]

Nah I want fun combos

Dair nair stuff is so boring

[shy shore]

what even is the jab 2 cancel

[sick atlas]

No source that I can link to you, but there were devs + ajax in chenzy stream, where chenzy was showcasing bugs. He didnt showcase the IG jab2 cancel, but in the chat they mentioned that they know about it

I should mentioned no one said anything about patching it, but they know about its existence. That being said we already know what is likely to happen

[proven orbit]

HOW THE HELL DO WE BREAK TAZ DOGPILE AND TORNADO?!?

🙄

[frigid reef]

parrying

[rich vigil]

Up tilt projectile and nair from directly above break it

Both are kinda niche options but it's better than nothing

[fluid ermine]

Is it normal that you can't dodge after ig hits you with burst?

[uncut bronze]

theres hitstun so you want to DI away to prevent followups if you can

[rich vigil]

Local Multiversus player learns about hitstun

[fluid ermine]

That's not hitstun that's a whole stun lmao, you can't dodge for like 1 or 2 full seconds lol

Feels like an eternity and even more of you groundbounce

[rich vigil]

Ok lol

[sick atlas]

remember when burst was 25 second CD.. the good old days

[shy shore]

That's called hitstun lol

You get hit and you're stunned

Ground bounce has its own hitstun

So you take Burst stun + Ground Bounce stun

[fluid ermine]

I was going to say "I was exagerating" but I'm not lol, that move has way too much hitstun to the point that they have time to dodge jab you and you are pretty much out because of jab 2 tech

[sinful dust]

Yes, IG burst into jab is a true combo

[fluid ermine]

I'm not lying when I say this mf just spams nair holy 😭
https://x.com/lthaix/status/1844608876097802591?t=8s6bQrtBoa9V8azHT-ovrg&s=19

[deep idol]

nair is kinda all he has to combo off of

he didn’t really spam it there, you just slipped up and got caught with it at a high damage

[fluid ermine]

Not my gameplay + I literally play against him everyday and believe me, he nairs out of hitstun

I just won against him and yeah, he was literally doing it

And he also called me "carried" ironic tbh

[rich vigil]

Doesn't matter if it wasn't your gameplay, he didn't spam nair in that clip lmao

Dripp is really good

He nairs out of hitstun because a lot of times it's all iron giant can do

Like do you really want him to just sit there and get comboed for no reason??

[abstract python]

I lowkey gonna have to start doing that jump dash nair thing hes doing when they patch jab2

[fluid ermine]

Idk man abusing of a 0TD everytime he's in a ledge doesn't make anyone good, unless you wanna say so

It's literally the only thing why he's winning against me and many others, just jab 2 up b and I'm dead no matter the DI

[fluid ermine]

Idk, he wants me to stay in the ground trying to contest nair when that move it's straight up broken lol

[rich vigil]

Don't you literally play Morty?

Just camp him out

And even before he started using the up b tech dripp was high on the ladder

[uncut bronze]

bruh morty mains crying about any other character is so ironic because of the broken bs that character has

ig loses the mu really bad

[fluid ermine]

I'm not even crying lol, tell me if the jab 2 tech it's any fair

Good pfp of the second best character in all the game btw, I hope you don't play Batman lol

[uncut bronze]

i dont play batman lmfao

hate his playstyle

[rich vigil]

You literally come in here nearly every day and complain about ig, you're definitely whining lmao

[fluid ermine]

I need to make noise so they know more about the jab 2 and how it needs to be patched lol

[shy shore]

didnt know thats how it works, gonna start posting messages everyday over jakes upsmash so they remove all of jakes limbs 🙏

not even a jake hater but just do it for giggles 🙏 thanks bro 🙏

[proven orbit]

Anybody played against nubia yet? 👀

[proven orbit]

I swear her hit stun feels like such a lag, I couldn’t dodge out of anything.

[sick atlas]

a new character that is expensve to buy is overtuned? who could have possibly called that?

[rich vigil]

I mean, Beetlejuice was expensive and other than the zero to death that was quickly patched out he was pretty bad

[sick atlas]

Yeah sure but but he is pretty good now, also I think he is the only example. Smith came out as mid as well but as part of a free event. Do you think it was a coincidence that batman was gigabuffed right before his 85th anniversary event? The character power being tied to potential monetary gain seems obvious to me

[abstract python]

Jason was the battle pass character and he was cheeks meanwhile Joker was top 3

[rich vigil]

Yeah it really just depends

I think it's more than PFG is just really bad at balancing

[fluid ermine]

Yeah but Joker got an announcer pack for 10 bucks iirc

[abstract python]

that was way after he was top 3 on release tho

the only time theyve blatantly made a character overtuned was the batman stuff they werent even trying to be discreit with that

[fluid ermine]

Oh yeah that was nasty

[proven orbit]

This took me out 🤣

[uncut bronze]

pfg balances for casuals

why else would jason, rick, bg and harley get gigabuffed

[rich vigil]

Banana Guard buffs feel deserved

You could make an argument for Jason but he think he was fine

Rick and Harley though, make no sense

[sick atlas]

I think the game is the most balanced right now than its ever been which is good but also saying a lot

we might be bias though as our jason matchup is so bad its like facing tnj

[uncut bronze]

he has a 0td rn im pretty sure

jmafia just ran through an entire tourney with him

[sick atlas]

its like nair up tilt up air up special or something, is there any vods of that tourney?

[rich vigil]

Ok well he didn't need that many buffs 😭

I better play him while he's busted then

My banana guard low-key goes crazy

[rich vigil]

I don't think I'll be satisfied until the nerf the bunny

That mfer is still hitting 0-40s and killing off of it

And pfg really nerfed his up air damage by 1 as if that was gonna do anything

[sick atlas]

That is what flacoco was saying, they keep nerfing finn but bugs is worse. watch misty play. Character is insanely overtuned but no one plays him so he is going unnoticed

[uncut bronze]

bugs is so busted

and they wont touch him

[rich vigil]

Yeah I saw a misty clip the other day

It's actually kinda amazing how much hate Finn got for his zero to deaths (and he still gets a lot tbh) and you barely see anything about bugs bunny even though he's way worse than Finn ever was

[uncut bronze]

finn hate it deserved but bugs needs to be more hated

and rick

rick is a disgusting war crime of a character especially rn with being superbuffed

[sick atlas]

any character that has lock in combos or eary kills is hated, or has good frame data.. AKA the entire cast, every character in this game is so good. Bugs is just more so lol

[jagged bison]

Lol I dont open Discord often, but I'm higher ranked with Taz so what does that say?

[hybrid relic]

bruh...

I think if I was to honestly tell you what that says I would get banned for hate speech 😂

[mint python]

^ wow your so cool 😎 tottaly owned that guy! 🤓

[hybrid relic]

ty

[jagged bison]

Can I get a list of characters that I am allowed to play from you? thx bb

[uncut bronze]

only lowtiers apparently

[rich vigil]

You're so sigma

[hybrid relic]

I'm aware

[fluid ermine]

No more last stand for ig means he is even more fair 🗣️

[jagged bison]

Evading the question smh

[hybrid relic]

Stick to IG if you want to be carried and if you want to be super duper carried then fine play Taz

Everyone else except superman gets a pass

[hybrid relic]

Honestly tho I'm just jokin, play whoever you like.

[frigid reef]

I feel bad for getting a skin for this character

[frigid reef]

the galactic skin is fire though. how many dead characters are there this season?

[shy shore]

Like as in one of their tags?

All the beetlejuice skins, beetlejuice

[frigid reef]

nah. it just seems like every season they only make like, 4 characters have relevancy

[knotty flame]

Ah yes Jake and Velma and Reindog are so good and definitely top tier

[sick atlas]

perfect profile picture

[knotty flame]

I enjoy yours as well

[frigid reef]

ok I kinda lied

Iron Giant is goated in 2's with Shaggy as a teammate. it is dead in 1's for sure tho

[sick atlas]

Anyone who thinks IG is top tieri is a clown

in 1s at least

[frigid reef]

fr

somehow I'm still top 100 in 1's despite not playing him for weeks

[shy shore]

hes still decent in 1s hes not like top 5 but hes playable

and iwl outside of top 5 i do not care for tierlists

[frigid reef]

he's as playable as Dan in Street Fighter, bro is a joke. Iron Giant's losing matchups are very harsh and plentiful

[fluid ermine]

You are joking, Jake is Dan, Ig is like Zangief, stop downplaying ig so much lol

[frigid reef]

Iron Giant is Zangief with muscle relaxers. devs are smoking just as much weed as the people that play. ur overestimating

[fluid ermine]

Yeah but saying your char is a joke character is just crazy, ig it's ranked viable

Jake atp is just a joke char, just as a comparison there's 7 ig players on gm

You wanna guess how many Jake players are on gm rn?

[frigid reef]

'cuz Iron Giant is a joke. u could boot up Powerpuff Girls right now against the rank #1 Iron Giant and only spam side-special to win. like, IG is beyond underperforming

[fluid ermine]

If you are bad then obvs you are going to lose that, bad players lose against people spamming the same attack, but no, don't downplay that much and say that your char is a joke, he still viable for 1's and 2's (matter of fact we got 3 IGs on 3 diferentes frostiverse of 3's) while other characters are way worse than ig and are more of a joke rn

Ig is not broken
He's playable on the meta and you can still win manny games bcuz of his playstyle and bugs like jab 2 up b

[frigid reef]

right, right. let's not forget that every other character has also received a massive speed buff. the only reason u don't notice it is 'cuz all the weed makes u see things slower than molasses. yes bro, IG is playable in the sense that he can be chosen as a character in 1's

[fluid ermine]

You talk so much about weed that at this point I think you are the one using it, I see you don't understand my point there's no way I make you understand, so, yeah IG bottom 5 he deserves some buffs and having double burst on respawn

I hope you have a good day

[frigid reef]

u don't even play this character. u came here just to say some dog water nobody wants to hear. everyone gets speed buff by default and they get to take advantage of the perk Speed Force Assisted. there's so many things I want to say to u but its a children server. pick up ur Sonic rings bro, ur cooked in the head

[fluid ermine]

If you want we can dm, I don't mind hearing someone cry while being absolutly bad at the game, if you want to 1v1 we can, I'll bag you everyday for every hour lol

[mint python]

lmao 😭

[sinful dust]

IG is definitely not even top 10 anymore and he loses to basically every meta relevant character. The only part of him that was legitimately broken was rage mode with the zero cooldown burst and dtilt shockwave, but both of those have been removed

[uncut bronze]

character hasnt made a top 8 in 1v1 since the last round of nerfs completely reworked him, in 2v2 he's only winning with the top of the meta as teammates that can put in work for him

[deep idol]

yea iron giant isnt really great in 2s anymore. hes a character dependent fighter. if u dont have a top teir teammate. your as good as done. in 1s, if the player has a brain your also as good as done

more than 90% of the roster is a bad matchup for iron giant

[sick atlas]

IG isnt great anymore period, still fun to play though

he is starting to get a bit of a low tier buff though as less people play him, its harder to know how to fight him due to lack of exposure

[wary fox]

💀

[warm skiff]

everyone knows how to play him

cuz of me and h377

[sick atlas]

I mean more around my rank, mid to low master

He is terrible in competitive play

[rich vigil]

In 1s he's mid at best and in 2s he can be good if he has the right teammate

[warm skiff]

hes really not

just the bad matchups

are really bad

[sick atlas]

If half the cast is a bad matchup I’d argue that’s half the definition of being poor in competitive play

IGs are barely making into top 8 if at all, depending on seeding etc

I’m not trying to downplay him into oblivion, I’m just making an observation of his current state, as even in recently memory he was labeled “broken” by the community until the latest rework

[wary fox]

IG is mid because there are better characters but you will still win if you are better unless you're up against the best players on a counter pick

If you play like morty you just cant top 8 even if you're better

[sick atlas]

did anyone else notice on the galaxy skin that in the loading screen or main menu he has no S on his chest but he does in game?

[rich vigil]

This happens with his matrix skin too

[sick atlas]

I have a hard time fighting good mortys

[warm skiff]

I reached top 4 recently

[sick atlas]

thats good news for the IG community, I still stand by how I feel though as this is not seeming frequent at all

[abstract python]

I was joking about IG mid tier but lowkey in this current 0TD merchant meta??

I can see high mid tier

[sick atlas]

I feel like he lives in low high tier

[tired flax]

Buff iron giant I haven’t seen y’all win anything in a while now

[sick atlas]

not that simple really, he either feels oppressive or underwhelming it seems, the inbetween is hard to find

[wary fox]

Did iron giant ever get a net buff ?

[frigid reef]

no buffs, only nerfs. every rework is a nerf

[sick atlas]

He has been exclusively nerfed, that being said jab2 cancel was an accidental buff if you can consider that. Its obvious they dont want us Jabbing into up speciall kills though based on the fact that they tried to remove its start up momentum via last patch

[mint python]

how yall feeling about nubia matchup i havent played for the update

[deep idol]

its utterly insane with her up neutral and specials

iron giants size + her long range grab is insane bruh

[rich vigil]

He's gotten some very slight buffs

Like I think up special got a slight buff a couple patches ago to block projectiles better

[wary fox]

oh really ? there was no downside on that patch ?

[abstract python]

is this patch technically a buff??

they just changed side special to not be interrupted by projectiles

[rich vigil]

No, it was still a net nerf that patch but that in particular got a slight buff

[knotty flame]

Ngl IG might be insane with shielding. Like a defensive tool plus the combo breaker is insane. And a grab to go through it but I guess it is kinda slow though

[frigid reef]

it's not gonna stop him from getting looped

[wary fox]

at least we can deal with uncontestable moves

[frigid reef]

his matchup vs Taz gets better, but it'll still be the same vs everyone else

[sick atlas]

projectile defense is what I like

[rich vigil]

Iron giants grab is so ass dude

I guarantee you can shield, see the grab start up, and then attack out of shield

[knotty flame]

I believe it good

[atomic parcel]

In beta one of the best characters in the game, I know I was ranked rather high with him. Yall have done him dirty. He needs a size matters buff that reduces snowball damage and knock back he takes. Or at least a few faster basic attacks. I still love him and hope he gets the batman treatment.

[sick atlas]

How do we feel about shields fellas? I am having a hard time with it currently and I still want it to be added personally. I feel like our out of shield options are too slow to punish most shield hits at the moment, but 100% could be me

[wary fox]

personally i dont like it but it's definitely good for iron giant

[warm skiff]

I got diddled by rick

[frigid reef]

omg the devs are actually kind of genius. they fixed Finn to where he can't constantly spam side-air 1 and up-air as a true combo

[shy shore]

Giant shield neutral attack being jab 2 is rlly funny

but itd be funnier if he could cancel it into upb

[knotty flame]

Pog

[fluid ermine]

Playing against iron giant it's good now

Having an amazing tool against ig nair feels like heaven

[proper kayak]

Super

Man

[jagged bison]

If the nair part of the combo gets the enemy right on the platform, what do you guys do to "solve" that? Best I can think of is side attack or up special, but nothing to continue the loop\

[rich vigil]

Yeah the platforms really screw you over

Not a lot you can do about it besides side attack or up special like you said

[jagged bison]

Yea, especially the new dexter's lab map is horrible with the platforms on the ledge. Guess I just end at that part early and go for the side knockout.

[sick atlas]

current ranked map pool sucks for IG

[sick atlas]

I found a bug on IG, if you use air walker too close to the ground he can no longer jump

[frigid reef]

what can Iron Giant do while on the edge and holding shields that makes him OP? 'cuz to me it just seems average

[abstract python]

Its not about him holding shield on ledge that makes him good with shields

His neutral just becomes way better

You can’t just approach him from his blindspots the whole match

And limiting the offensive options IG’s opponent has on him is better than any buff

[frigid reef]

oh, so it just makes him equal when vs. every other character. that's great honestly. Iron Giant loses holding a full-charged neutral-air 'cuz it can get blocked by shields. there is a trade-off

[trim crown]

So I'm playing Iron Giant for the first time and I'm actually having a fun time.
However I have yet to know: what are some of his best perks? Or like the ideal perk load out?

[frigid reef]

anything with Collateral Damage

[trim crown]

To my amazement Collateral Damage has been working out quite well

If you were to have asked me to try playing him a few weeks ago then I would have declined out of fear of his complex playstyle

But a few days ago the Frankenstein Iron Giant skin was put in a Halloween bundle with like 4 other things for a shockingly low cost of 1,100 Gleamium so I picked it up and I love the skin so much it actually influenced my decision to give the character a shot

I already loved the character and the movie I hold it dearly to me on a personal level but I'm having a good time with IG in MVS as well

Of course I've been a Smith main since Season 1 but IG might be a fun secondary.

[frigid reef]

ah, nice. Iron Giant is an easy character. what makes him difficult is that he is combo-food. I have never seen the movie myself, but I've always been a fan of gigantic characters in video games. welcome to the team lol not many play IG that much now

[rich vigil]

Afterburners or Wrong Side of the Bed work for the signature perk. Unless you're playing 2s, then you should probably run wrong side of the bed

[glossy spindle]

Movie is really good. Should give it a go at some point

[shy shore]

Most ppl run

Signature: Afterburners or Wrong Side of Bed
Slot 1: Snowball effect or Projectile Shield
Slot 2: Collateral Damage
Slot 3: Pugilist or Blindspot Guard

Afterburners is really good if you abuse nair -> dair techchase loops, it makes it deal a ton of damage overtime and if they tech towards the flames they take more DOT, and the flames make for good chip damage when you plant them at the edge of the stage

Snowball is a pretty decent general perk but projectile shield is good for MUs where they use projectiles a lot

Collateral really good with new nair + aforementioned nair -> dair techchase loops deal insane damage with it

Blindspot Guard makes you way more tanky and lets you sponge damage more, which adds up overtime considering how heavy Giant already is

Pugilist gives you a bit more damage and KO power

[trim crown]

What's the consensus on the funny mechanism? Like does he still perform well?

[shy shore]

He's good but he isnt top tier, not because hes a bad character but because there are better characters than him. He has a lot of MUs where even if you're better you still lose more often than not because of how bad it is.

[wary fox]

could be great but matchup chart is just disgusting

a lot of bad matchups get better with shields, so IG will be good when they are added unless he gets nerfed again

[sick atlas]

it cant be just me but I think IG has the most disgusting matchup chart vs any other character, more than 60% of my matchups I roll my eyes on the loading screen because how much it sucks

[frigid reef]

ye. devs need a better balancer. it's only like, a week away 'till shields, yeah? then IG becomes average

[sick atlas]

Too many levels have too many platforms, huge disadvantage for IG

[mint python]

i know this is only on casuals but i want to point out that iron giant still gets locked out from using half the map on wb watertower every time it opens

and they never fixed or did something about that thats just something that happens you loose if you get that map lmao

[frigid reef]

lol yeah, that's always funny

[sick atlas]

have you ever got stuck under the door as it opens and it auto kills you

worst map in the game

[mint python]

it hasnt auto killed me

i got stuck in it and just got beat up till it oppened again

[frigid reef]

they should make IG's grounded side-attack 2 KO at 100% near ledge on light characters like it used to

[mint python]

they should make igs jab 2 do anything at all 🗣️

[frigid reef]

ye. make it apply 5 stacks of freeze

[rich vigil]

There's the tech it has with up special

[shy shore]

Iron Giant jab 2 so horrendously mid that we need to invent tech to make it usable

[rich vigil]

Lmfao

[abstract python]

Same with dair

That’s kind of a recurring thing with this character

Making mountains out of molehills

[shy shore]

Tbf dair was always ljke

I won't say underrated

But it always had a lot of potential

Jab 2 is like

Terry jab 3 in Smash Bros

Why would you ever use it

Like unless it kills earlier than chomp then whys that point

[frigid reef]

rip

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009538859417215147/1303780167012978778/QaiEz7xK.mp4?ex=672cff66&is=672bade6&hm=cdd48af4734a81007f40e31c5d1e8f425f931b3dd8a03690e229ccec5196217b&

[frigid reef]

god dang the shields are so good. I'm actually able to contest Tom & Jerry now

[sick atlas]

What do you guys use to punish out of shield? dash jab is usually overshoots, jump nair or drop shield jab are too slow to punish

[frigid reef]

usually neutral-attack/shield break to skip to jab 2

[red oyster]

Buff iron giant

[mint python]

bro i love that they let us get frankenstein ig for event currency

my mouths been watering for that skin since the beta but i refuse to spend money on this game

[trim crown]

I KNOW RIGHT

I did pick up the Frankenstein Iron Giant skin and I love it so much

[frigid reef]

bro, Iron Giant short-hop up-air? it might work now

[stone aurora]

Oh brother

[ember talon]

That Mori Calliope fan with the one profile picture will be happy

[rich vigil]

Idc what happens anymore I'm just excited for the rockstar skin

[frigid reef]

I think I got shadow banned won too much as Iron Giant

[proven orbit]

Dodge landing and faster falling is so clutch too

[proven orbit]

Frankenstein skin is so sick, glad I was able to pick it up without using gleamium lol

[fading torrent]

Definitely a great skin. Glad they finally fixed the effects, it was missing all the glowing bits and electricity on relaunch

[frigid reef]

Passive
~ Now limits fall speed during hover
Air Neutral Attack
~ Now limits fall speed during attack recovery
Air Side Attack
~ Now limits fall speed during attack recovery

thoughts?

[sick atlas]

Pretty sure IG is not going to be touched for a while, Id get comfortable at his current power level maybe. In my opinion I think they see IG being strong as a potential financial risk due to him being unpopular to fight against when strong

[frigid reef]

yeah. Iron Giant is one of those characters where u have to know how to play the game and then he isn't an issue at all. I really wanted them to buff the amount of fuel he has or at least reduce the amount it takes when doing up-air

[sick atlas]

Fuel buff would be a good way to give him some power that wont introduce anything broken

[rich vigil]

This is the least amount of words I've ever seen on IG patchnotes

[sick atlas]

Bro... you cant fastfall nair anymore..

[shy shore]

yea

u have to charge it to fastfall before the hitbox

[sick atlas]

we finally get past the patch notes and still nerfed, this isnt small either, this sucks

you can fastfall with charge yeah, but it makes side special into dash not as good

[shy shore]

chat i dont have the will power to cope over this

this change STINKS

[sick atlas]

oh yeah, this sucks bad, GG fellas

[shy shore]

getting used to it but like

mannn

itd be fine if nair didnts end down and out man

[rich vigil]

It'd be fine if nair wasn't literally his only combo tool

[shy shore]

nahnha i wont doom doom

like

you CAN

still do charge nair

and id say sometimes its still like i was

and the new fastfall means doing charge nair makes u reach the ground faster

and u can stll do nair upb and nair sair n all that

just

not like

any of the really good nair stuff

you can get like

one nair dair nair

then its unviable

ueah

[sick atlas]

nair fastfall was one of his only tools to get people off of him when bolts is down, I am on team gloom, this is whacky tobaccy

[shy shore]

yea

ido think

its a bit weird

that they seen giant have the worst neutral in the game

and then made it worse

[sick atlas]

he hasnt been good for a few patches now, the good news is that maybe it cant get any worse

[abstract python]

Dont worry

When they remove jab2 in midseason we’ll be humble bottom 1

[sick atlas]

Journey to bottom 1 baby, my jimmies are rustled

[shy shore]

Does IG have actual combos now?

Or is everything just “improvised”

[sick atlas]

yeah dude he is super improved

its awesome

[frigid reef]

if anything, they sort of removed a combo. it became more difficult to jab 1 > jump > neutral-air > fastfall > dodge cancel > into jab again. it only worked if the opponent was still in hitstun, but barely off the stage. he can still down-air / nair loop, it's just more of a pain

[shy shore]

already is humble bottom 1 lol

what good is your magic robot who has insane advantage when the advantage state gets shot without any attempt to buff him elsewhere

while also making his nair unusable as a neutral tool

and purely as a jump read

[frigid reef]

just hit a grab bro. no big deal

[abstract python]

Nah cuz nubia got nerfed

He can be bottom 2 rn

[frigid reef]

using a shield breaker on shields pops the opponent up. has anyone went into customs to test if we can grab people in that time frame? if so, Iron Giant is not bottom 1

[shy shore]

genuinely dont see a world where hes better than her

nubia has hitboxes she can throw out

giant has an animation he can start up then get hit in start up of

[abstract python]

Nubia nair doesn’t even combo into itself anymore im p sure

She actually worthless

[rich vigil]

Good

[sick atlas]

idk guys I've really tried to give it a chance, for my playstyle, this is the worst nerf he has gotten in the last 6 months

not being able to fall during nair completely destroys so much of his kit

[shy shore]

yeah im not palying him anymore

just bought raven and if i dont enjoy her then ill just not play lol

[uncut bronze]

yeah im maining raven and dropping him he's actually a bottom tier now

[rich vigil]

NOOOOOOOO

[uncut bronze]

the nair change feels so awful its not even fun to play w him any more

[sick atlas]

im telling you man, worst nerf he has ever got

[deep idol]

he dont feel to different to me tbh, i use his down neutral alot plus neutral air so it still feels kinda smooth

[sick atlas]

If you dont feel the diff then idk what to say dude

its insanely big to his neutral game

[abstract python]

awful for disadvantage too

this character used to do nun but fastfall nair and pray he wins priority

now he dont even have that luxury

hes 100% low tier in 1s and based on what ive heard he also fell off in 2s'

[sick atlas]

its no secret he isnt good anymore, and I dont like playing* other characters, this change has made him not fun to play, and frustrating

think it means whats the point in playing

[jagged bison]

I main Taz and IG, thinking I got out without any impactul nerfs, only to find out that the ~change was actually just a delete button for both characters. IG now has no real approach option against anyone with projectiles after this change. Especially with having to grind back to masters all the way from B5 again, no way I am doing that in the sad and sluggish state IG is now. I didnt like them introducing shields but they almost seem mandatory for IG after this lmao

[shy shore]

Its OK guys

Raven is like old Iron Giant

Big ass nair that has infinite combo

🩷

[rich vigil]

She has an infinite?

[shy shore]

Sadly not

[jagged bison]

Okay I thought I was just rusty but nah, IG is no longer a character in MV against like half of the roster with these changes.

[frigid reef]

yeah... I fr have no clue what they were thinking. it makes me think they don't have any people testing the game

[coral bison]

Dude... I can't even move in fights anymore

I whiff once and I'm dead

or if I don't get the first hit

[rich vigil]

We're back on the low tier grinds boys

[frigid reef]

the projectile spam is insane. hopefully shields save this character from the decrepit balance team

[shy shore]

its just so confusing

like if they gave it the 20frame lockout like they did

and this change

then made it go up or smthn

it wouldnt be as bad

[frigid reef]

they definitely like, shadow nerfed his dodge too. I almost don't even get invulnerability

only way to way Iron Giant now is to use Afterburners (in 1v1s) and wait for the opponent to come towards u. if they have projectiles then it's GG

[shy shore]

yeah ive just been afterburners then using plant for bolts

and if they get close ill start moving away to try whiff punish with dodgeboost charge nair

since u can fastfall the charge before the nair comes out

[frigid reef]

that Sturdy Dodger perk that got taken out the game was so good for him. Projectile Momentum doesn't feel good at all. I tried it against Lebron James, not worth

I know we can use up-special to destroy some projectiles, but it has too much end-lag

[shy shore]

what did sturdy dodger do again

was it grey health for dodging projectiles

i feel like i recognise it

[frigid reef]

idk what it used to be. they buffed it to where it gave armour for 2 seconds to ur entire team after dodging a projectiles, doubled if ur teammate also uses it

[shy shore]

oh yeah that sounds good

i will say

parry changes feel good for him

you can still accidentally get bolts trying to parry out of stuff

[frigid reef]

ye it was good, and they took it away yesterday

[shy shore]

but it feels a lot more rewarding

[shy shore]

tbh i never really changed my perks

using speed force assist atm

but thats cuz of nair dair being kinda gutted

though i might swap back cuz i found out how to do nair dair loops again

[frigid reef]

i think speed force assisted only works on the ground so, I just use Collateral Damage

[shy shore]

the new collateral damage changes suck tho

[frigid reef]

what parry changes though? i've been hitting bolts on accident like mad crazy. they just should make it only available by pressing neutral-special, not neutral-dodge

[shy shore]

iframes on parry, less likely to do parry -> neutral dodge

[frigid reef]

Collateral Damage is worth it while using Afterburners. IG's movement speed is so low that 5% extra is a super miniscule change

[shy shore]

maybe ur right

idk

[frigid reef]

they could do better. still waiting for any buff, definitely need more fuel

[shy shore]

i just find the new way collateral dmg works to be really annoying with current nair

3dmg effect triggering only when they actually go into the autotech isnt half as good as 1 dmg per bounce

iwl im finding super fast characters a lot more annoying than projectiles

characters like arya

[frigid reef]

yeah, I get that. she's easy to deal with. if she sticks u with sword, just aerial down-special or fly up to the top of the map and bolts her when she comes after u

it's also where Afterburners come into play. It'll put damage on them even if they get u first

[shy shore]

thats true thats true

i didnt even think of the bolts thing

toxic as hell 😭

[frigid reef]

sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. the good Arya Stark players won't go for u. either way it's good for stalling

the worst character to go up against has been Banana Guard. if u have no bolts, bro just up-air and up-special spam, and we can't use fast-fall neutral-air to break out of it like before. it's a huge pain

[mint python]

also hows the longer tech distance doing for nair dair combos

[frigid reef]

idk i know it's still possible, but the opponent will be in it for a shorter amount of time if u keep guessing right

[abstract python]

nah I think its alot better for giant specifically

[abstract python]

he can still do it fine

u just need to dodge in the direction ur reading now

always

[abstract python]

this still works btw lmfao

Arya players still get matchup checked

and even if they know about it its still good cuz it means they cant use knife even if it sticks\

[sick atlas]

I have no clue how you guys have time to jump, and slowly fly the the blast zone when you get knifed, I immedietly get hopped on

[frigid reef]

if u get knifed immediately just stick to aerial down-special

[frigid reef]

do y'all know that snow/ice Iron Giant skin that they showed, is it already out?

[frigid reef]

bro, Iron Giant in Testing Grounds 1v1 feels so good. I checked my career and I'm on like, a 7 win-streak so my hidden MMR is a lil high

[abstract python]

IG with shields is high tier

You just camp in afterburners and play for bolts cooldown

His passive play is extremely good with shields

[frigid reef]

idk about high-tier, but he does get pretty good

[shy shore]

Nah its not out, will prolly be a Christmas/Winter skin

[red oyster]

He seriously needs buffs

[frigid reef]

i see, i see

yeah, either that or more nerfs to top-tiers

[coral bison]

Iron Giant is once again a character with so little to get out into advantage and so easy to get into disadvantage. Like you really gotta hard read and get that first hit or you are going on a one way ticket to take your fingers off the keyboard

[frigid reef]

they ain't got nobody playtesting him or they think that it is ok for that to happen. Iron Giant still needs a dodge and gas buff

[sick atlas]

We know the PFG stance on IG, he shouldnt be good based on what people have said in streams, IG isnt getting buffs, he had no reason to get nerfs and he got failling nair nerf, he is in the bin

[shy shore]

They really should have a dedicated main for each character on the team, cuz atm some of the changes he gets seems like they come from the perspective of someone who doesn't particularly play him or understand the implications of his changes.

He's not black and white where you can just make 1 move stop behaving as it would like Shaggy where something doesn't apply weakened or Finn where making sideb not home in won't gut the character. Changing nair like that messes up EVERY aspect of his gameplay

[sick atlas]

Not sure why they even nerfed him in the first place again, being mid tier at best

[shy shore]

Nah I get it

As wonky as old nair could have been, it was really good at killing people early

They just made it harder to get to the position to kill but you can still kill early

So the end is justified

I mainly think they changed it for nair dair loops iwl

[frigid reef]

I remember seeing a YouTube video of a Finn player beating up on Iron Giant, saying how it's not fair how long IG gets stuck in hitstun. they'll never buff IG, but if they balance the game around him it is a lil bit healthy for the game

[shy shore]

i think a lot of giants biggest red flags

(infinites, random tech, autotech loops)

stem from multiversus devs just

throwing giant into the game

with a bunch of mechanics

without properly checking what that would do for the character

[frigid reef]

mostly, yeah. they're getting better at resolving those issues. i'd say right now it's Iron Giant's neutral gameplay that gets fixed with shields. everyone is faster and a lot of the cast have more KO power

[frigid reef]

speaking of KO power, wtf happened to Iron Giant's up-air, didn't it used to have a weak and a strong tipper? every hit is bad

[abstract python]

Still has the strong tipper its just near impossible to hit now cuz IG’s kit never puts you in a position to land the sweetspot

[frigid reef]

that's wild. jab 1 > jump> neutral-air > dodge-cancel > up-air would usually apply the strong tipper, but only if the opponent DI'd up (pre-patch) I'm starting to wonder if it was stronger 'cuz of the momentum from dodge canceling. I swear, I've hit it before in this season and it sends the opponent almost nowhere unless they are already near the top of the blast zone

[shy shore]

it still has a tipper yeah, u can hit it easily after dair

its also pretty easy to hit when ur wall clinged and you drop down

[shy shore]

also if you catch someone trying to jump over ground up attack you can connect a tipper upair and kill at like 50

u can also catch people jumping out of disdvantage after a sair

[frigid reef]

i see, i see. it's one of those moves I don't use that much anymore I guess

[shy shore]

ye its still p good

you can kill at 0 off sour upair sometimes as well

[mint python]

i remember in the beta chaining 2 upairs togeather and it would always kill super early

was so silly i miss doing that

[frigid reef]

i miss being able to dodge while someone is being held by side-special or just not being restricted as Iron Giant in general

[shy shore]

yeah as time went on in the release they super nerfed what u could do out of sideb

went from being able to aerial, jump, upb, run off the stage, dash attack, tilts, neutral attack to just being able to tilts and neutral attack

[frigid reef]

we'll get something beneficial sooner or later

[shy shore]

maybe

prolly just 2 more damage on dash attack or something stupid

[sick atlas]

anyone else hate his hand hitbox on bolts when its off cooldown? instead of killing you knock them back towards the map

[frigid reef]

I hate that side-air has almost no priority immediately out of hitstun. wish we had more unique perks

[mint python]

they should make sidespecial give armor sooner

compared to someone like superman geting armor the moment he presses up attack idk

[frigid reef]

they should make aerial side-special block projectiles instead of only blocking Taz's shoe

[shy shore]

It's a bit annoying sometimes but it also makes using bolts in a combo to send them offstage more reliable cuz even if the bolt itself sends inwards the hand will push them back offstage

[sick atlas]

I dont think that has ever been the case for me but to each their own

[sick atlas]

they need to revert this nair change man LOL I feel sick

[frigid reef]

i just found out Armor Killer is worse than Armor Break frick

[sick atlas]

armour break with our nair is better than armour killer I think

[frigid reef]

Armor Killer is for full charged attacks, Armor Break is to briefly stop armor which is good for side-air or at least it used to be. saying 'cuz Jason was getting on my nerves

[abstract python]

not after this change no more

its way to predictable now

I ran armor break pre patch but I went back to armor killer

#clips message also top 3 giant wohoo

[severe ravine]

Iron Giant is the goat

[abstract python]

Taz got tornado reverted but not IG nair 🐶💔

[sick atlas]

is that a joke? they reverted taz same issue but left it on

IG...?

[frigid reef]

that does kinda suck. if they won't let us have uncharged fast-fall neutral-air then they need to buff side-air

[sick atlas]

Thats not enough, we need to be able to fall during nair, its insanely important

[frigid reef]

it's enough to make him on par with other characters and not too strong for casuals to fight against. with the addition of shields, Taz's tornado is easily the worst move in the game

[mint python]

ik its just a really bad matchup but what Can you do against bg

that sair is sairing you cant even come close to him

[abstract python]

Shoulder bash neutral

Grab if he does air side special

Recover low

[frigid reef]

except that u will lose. all of his attacks counter Iron Giant.

Iron Giant does aerial side-special, Banana Guard does grounded up-attack

Iron Giant does aerial down-special, Banana Guard does aerial up-attack

side-air is just used in general for Banana Guard. best thing to do is to not play against him at all

[frigid reef]

guys, Testing Grounds is out right now! I just frickin' 3 stocked a Superman that counter picked me (he was playing Raven)

[tribal cypress]

the dumbest thing ive ever read on here

[vestal birch]

To be fair making him smaller and lighter and reworking him after that would be the only way to actually balance Iron Giant

[tribal cypress]

dude. it would literally kill him and his identity

lmaooo

[vestal birch]

Buddy when i say make him smaller i dont mean the size of Gizmo

He can still be the biggest

Just not THAT big

Plus i said rework his kit dummy

[vestal birch]

So he would not be trash

[tribal cypress]

lmao

so what, like 2 heads taller than jack

[tribal cypress]

ah cool cool

lol

[vestal birch]

Idk maybe like 1 jason and a half

[tribal cypress]

jacks taller than jason

sighs

[vestal birch]

How am i supposed to know

I play the game instead of measuring characters

[tribal cypress]

k

[rich vigil]

Yknow making him smaller would make him better right

[frigid reef]

making him smaller wouldn't make him better. knowing PFG all of his attacks and movement speed would still be the same

[rich vigil]

He'd be harder to hit and combo

But he'd probably still have the same combos