The Iron Giant

[fluid ermine]

I don't know man this looks very true lol

But IG mains are going to tell you ''He needs it cuz he is big''

[rich vigil]

Oh yeah I wasn't thinking about rage mode

That's a glitch tho that's not just iron giant

An easy solution for tournaments would be "don't do the rage mode cheese or else your banned"

[abstract python]

I was trying to get it today

I don’t even know if thats still true

Cuz all of those clips are pre season 2 as u can see by rage mode being bugged

And we know they love their shadow changes when it comes to IG

Cuz now the windbox seems to drag them down into the fair regardless

[rich vigil]

Oh lmao I didn't even realize

[ember talon]

The irony of a strike going on against AI while we debate the constant nerfs of a friendly but powerful robot

[fluid ermine]

I don't know but some ig players told me that last season he didn't had a 0 to death and now he had one

I'm pretty sure he still has one cuz pfg is bad at fixing characters

Iron giant players just like gatekeeping the broken side of iron giant so they can say he's not top 3 😭

[ember talon]

Gatekeeping???

[rich vigil]

He did have a zero to death last season so idk what that guy was on about

[rich vigil]

Lmaoo there's literally a public iron giant server where people share techs and clips and stuff

The only gatekeeping I remember is Carry gate kept the rage mode down tilt fair zero to death until a tournament but I'm pretty sure others had already figured it out anyways

And if you still think iron giant is top 3, I need some of what you're smoking

[abstract python]

Anyone that thinks IG is top 5 let alone top 3 after this hasn’t touched the character

I don’t think people realize how impactful the loss of hitstun and bolts cooldown is

Its significantly easier to put IG in disadvantage and keep him there

[sinful dust]

He’s definitely not anymore

[frank vapor]

🐴

[knotty perch]

who do you feel is above him? I think he’s top 3 after Arya and Morty

[rich vigil]

Wonder Woman, Finn, Shaggy, Gizmo, and Joker are all better than him

[abstract python]

^

I dont wanna sound like im downplaying cuz I do still have him top 10

But he got hit hard mane

[sinful dust]

Idk about Shaggy being better. Like I’m not trying to downplay my main, but I don’t think Shaggy is even top 10 with the nerfs he got in the previous patch. IG is definitely not top 5 or anything, but he still has very strong zero to deaths in rage mode

But Morty, Arya, Joker, Wonder Woman, and Finn are easily the top 5 currently

The next 5 are probably Gizmo, Batman, Black Adam, Bugs and IG

(None of these are directly ordered btw)

And then some combination of Steven, Smith, Shaggy, and Jack

[rich vigil]

Eh idk

I think Shaggy has good enough tournament results to be top 10

There's usually still at least one in top 8 of any tournament

[maiden gulch]

Can I get an invite pls

[chilly bear]

nnnnope... iron giant has counter infinites now. people literally infinite giant into oblivion. you cant dodge it.

i just cant. ive been trying to keep playing IG man...

im tired boss.

he literally has zero combos, no way to dodge, cant get out of any combos. hes rusted.

"suuuuupppeeerrrrmaaaaaaaan"

[mint python]

but hes so silly fr :3

[rich vigil]

He has some combos

They're just inconsistent

[chilly bear]

Exactly, extremely inconsistent.

[rich vigil]

You have to keep a mental note of how your opponents like to DI

[chilly bear]

That’s the thing

And I TRY

[rich vigil]

My bread and butter so far has been jab nair

During the nair you can see how they DI

If they DI out, side special, if they don't DI or DI in, up special or upair if it'll kill

[chilly bear]

Then they DI and start doing their infinite combo

[rich vigil]

Jab nair up special will just straight up kill some characters at zero

[chilly bear]

No way

[rich vigil]

Way

[chilly bear]

Like flying into the corner?

[rich vigil]

Yeah

[chilly bear]

GODAMN

[rich vigil]

Do jab, jump up nair, buffer up during the nair and fly them into the blastzone

[chilly bear]

I gotta try that

[rich vigil]

And if they DI out then side special

[rich vigil]

The up air at the end of this combo wasn't true but you get the idea of what it should look like https://www.xbox.com/play/media/43UWX7Dbs3

Also skip to the 14 second mark

[chilly bear]

Oh I see

Ooooh

[knotty perch]

how much input buffer do you guys use?

I don’t really understand what it means

[lyric forge]

I thought turning down the buffer would help with the wonkiness of turning around randomly or getting misinputs. But it honestly made it worse. I think I’m rocking with 20 frames of input buffer and it’s been pretty decent

[lyric forge]

gizmo matchup is so much harder now

[nova grove]

I know he got hit by the nerf nuke, but is Iron Giant still good?

[high wind]

otp's working it pretty good

[knotty perch]

top 7 ish

[vivid heron]

whats his fastest button out of hitstun besides burst, fair?

[rich vigil]

Probably nair or fair

[abstract python]

Definitely fair if the first hit connects

But thats not as common as just throwing out nair and it covering their option

[vivid heron]

ty

is the head tap when you dont have burst also pretty fast it seems so

[abstract python]

Yeah but that consumes ur bolts

So not reccomended

[vivid heron]

ah ok

idk what bolts do but ill look it up lol

[rich vigil]

The more you have the more gray health you get when you use them

It also used to increase thorns damage from bursts but PFG decided that was too broken

[abstract python]

I do wonder how long its gonna take for them to change that and what they’re changing it to

The perk I mean

[vivid heron]

hmm

[fluid ermine]

This is going to be funny but I just checked and you were the one who told me that IG didn't had a 0 to death anymore last season lol

[rich vigil]

He didn't have the one I was thinking of.

[sinful dust]

You know, all I’m gonna say is although the sair nerf was a bit drastic, I’m glad because getting hit by jab -> IAD nair -> sair barely didn’t kill at zero at ledge lmao

But then up special covered all my options and I died anyway

[rich vigil]

Yuh I agree

I think the sair nerf is fine

It's the hitstun nerf that's really rough

[sinful dust]

It feels like it did in beta where it has a decent amount of base knockback but weak knockback scaling

[sinful dust]

Yeah it’s definitely a bit rough, but IG is still tough to fight since he’s so big and covers a lot of space

I will say idk how I feel about the ground bounce changes tho

Like yeah it’s more consistent across the cast, but I feel like at least in the case of Shaggy, his ground bounce combo game is weaker because he relied on the larger character’s ground bounces going nowhere to reliably combo into jab but now even IG bounces too high

[storm frost]

I like how on cromulons IG gets a free 0-70 combo and his jab kills me at 100

Balanced fair gameplay

[sinful dust]

Cromulons is a wack stage

[rich vigil]

Skill issue tbh

Every character has a free 0-100 on Iron Giant now

And some characters have infinites on him

[sinful dust]

Who has infinites of IG?

I’m not asking as to question you. I’m asking because I’m genuinely curious and don’t know who

[rich vigil]

Afaik, Taz and Superman do

According to Mets anyways

[sinful dust]

I was actually thinking Superman

I just learned yesterday that Superman has jab dair loops

[rich vigil]

Ding ding ding that's the one

That's the whole infinite that's it

[sinful dust]

Yeah I took like 70 as Shaggy, so I can only imagine IG

[rich vigil]

As of rn the Superman match up is unwinnable

[storm frost]

Vs. IGs 0td

[sinful dust]

Superman is pretty heavy so with the sair nerf, I imagine the jab -> IAD nair -> sair at ledge doesn’t kill

[rich vigil]

See you literally agree. If that's the case then why is a 0-70 on iron giant a problem?

[storm frost]

I don't agree because I haven't ever seen someone land a 0-100 on IG but if that's what you say then I'll go with it

[rich vigil]

Im not actually sure

[sinful dust]

I mean, I barely lived as Shaggy on batcave

Superman is heavier with better recovery options

[rich vigil]

Superman is tied for Jason as second heaviest

Shaggy is really a mid weight

[sinful dust]

Yeah

[rich vigil]

He has the same weight as Wonder Woman and Agent Smith iirc

[storm frost]

Shaggy is like top 5 in weight too

[rich vigil]

He's literally not

[storm frost]

Smith, BG, Joker, Reindog, Shaggy, and WW all share the same weight

[sinful dust]

There’s like 6 tiers of weights:

1. Featherweights like Arya
2. Lightweights like Jack
3. Middleweights like Shaggy
4. Heavyweights like Jason
5. Iron Giant

[storm frost]

He literally is

Maybe top 6

[rich vigil]

Ah ok

[rich vigil]

I think maybe #6 but like you said he shares it with a bunch of others

[storm frost]

I'm counting 2 characters weighing the same as being in the same spot

[rich vigil]

Oh ok

Shaggy would be like #5 on the dot then

[storm frost]

So Superman and Jason are both #2

[sinful dust]

Superman, Iron Giant, Jason, and Garnet are heavier

[rich vigil]

Is LeBron heavier?

[sinful dust]

Idk if there’s anyone else above Shaggy weight

[rich vigil]

I think he is right

[storm frost]

Jason and Superman weigh the same so I count them as #2

[sinful dust]

I feel like he is

[storm frost]

Lebron and BA are heavier so I think Shaggy should be #6

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ihEFHf01I8lKibPkAEavEaqZyU-VV9MGeKGZ-PmjeQM/edit?gid=287109862#gid=287109862

This has all the weights

[rich vigil]

I was looking for that

[storm frost]

Do we know who owns it and updates it? Jacks stats are taking a while to get out

[sinful dust]

Black Adam, Lebron, Garnet, Superman, and Jason are all in the same weight class

[rich vigil]

Oh really?

I thought Superman and Japan would have been heavier than BA and LeBron

[storm frost]

Japan is definitely heavier than LeBron

[sinful dust]

They’re all in the 3400-3900 weight class

[rich vigil]

I meant Jason lol

[sinful dust]

The Shaggy weight class is all 2920

[rich vigil]

Oh that's what you meant

[storm frost]

Jokers too heavy for a mage honestly

[sinful dust]

True

He shouldn’t be Shaggy weight

[rich vigil]

Joker doesn't really play like a mage honestly

But yeah I agree he should be lighter

[storm frost]

Give him Arya weight to balance out his Arya kill power

[rich vigil]

Steven is a tank and he's heavier than like half of the cast 😭

[rich vigil]

Pls don't give him Arya kill power

Oh I misread that

[storm frost]

He already has Arya kill power

[sinful dust]

He should be like Taz/Stripe weight

2400

He’s not small enough to be Arya weight (1900)

[storm frost]

Idc about realism!!! I want that bastard gutted and I want it NOW!!!

[sinful dust]

Just nerf the kill power of his utilt and uair

He can keep the combos if he doesn’t kill as early

[abstract python]

The problem is that his ladders take you to the top of the stage

His upair and uptilt dont kill remotely early

Its the fact that you’re halfway in the air by the time he lands the upair cuz he just dragged you there with a 50 dmg jab combo

[toxic shuttle]

oh thats is my sheet, currently wont be able to get the stats directly from the game anymore

[storm frost]

I'd have an easier time believing you if you existed in any way shape or form up until now

Like you just materialized

[toxic shuttle]

i prefer to stay in the shadows 👀

also cant you literally see the owners name?

[toxic shuttle]

updated the info sheet just for u

[storm frost]

I might be like the rest of the MVS community 😔 (can't read)

[toxic shuttle]

all good, im also not to familiar with google docs also i dont know if u can actually see the name

but yea i just wanted to say it might take a while before i can get the stats from the code again, since they removed the "easy" way to read them in plain text lol

though the "main" sheet as explained will be updated with estimated stats if i can figure them out

[storm frost]

You can see the name

Or can now

[toxic shuttle]

ah ok
i added it to the info sheet

[rich vigil]

@shy shore ggs lol

Why the rage quit

[high wind]

any IG otp wanna duo?

[spring sinew]

What did the perk even do (also based choice for a franchise)

[warm skiff]

Who’s the best iron giant player in general (not rank)?

[knotty perch]

any character can juggle IG in the air as long as they don’t have their neutral special, one dodge read and it’s a zero to death

[knotty perch]

onlinewithbobo or elektrokills, I don’t think carry is as good as them

[abstract python]

Bobo’s always been the most consistent giant even not counting ranked

I need to watch more tourney gameplay tbh tho

Ur defo up there with em

Ion watch nothing so Ion keep track of whos winning what

[knotty perch]

oh my god that’s carry 😭😭

I’m sorry LMAO

[warm skiff]

😡 😡

I needed the glaze grrrr

[shy shore]

Carry clearly the best, haven't seen another giant win vs chance's finn 50 times in a row 🙄

[rich vigil]

That video was so funny

Chance played so horribly every single time

[sinful dust]

Who do you guys think pairs best with IG for 2v2?

Idk if he’s here or not, but I’m playing with an IG with the tag “Bad” but it ain’t working out too well with IG and Shaggy

[maiden gulch]

Marvin with rage mode is a cheat code

[rich vigil]

Steven is a pretty partner

He's a little worse now that his shield was nerfed but if you can that shield off, Iron Giant can be unstoppable sometimes

I've heard Velma's a pretty good partner too but I haven't played it personally

[sinful dust]

Yeah I’ve heard from a few Velma mains that she’s actually a character in 2v2 now

But Shaggy and IG just have no way to deal with projectiles

[rich vigil]

Yeah probably not the best pair

Mets made a tier list of iron giants best partners a while back I'ma go find it

Here it is
https://imgur.com/a/lViewOx

Idk how accurate this is because this was from like the beginning of July

[sinful dust]

Yeah Shaggy got nerfed so he can’t kill nearly as easily with aerial up b

[warm skiff]

Only ever 2s tourney I did was with a joker

And it worked out kind of well

So ig jokers a good choice

Black adams also really busted

Cuz when you lightning teamates it automatically tracks the other team

[sinful dust]

Black Adam is busted in general

His fly is such an insane tool

[warm skiff]

And ig is big

[sinful dust]

Oh is that how that works?

That’s nuts

[rich vigil]

Oh yeah that one's pretty good

I think Carry and Lion Toast won a Frostiversus with that duo

Frostiversus then proceeded to ban Iron Giant from tournaments lol

[sinful dust]

Is IG better in 1v1 or 2v2 do you guys think?

[warm skiff]

All the TO’s are haters

[rich vigil]

I've heard a few people say he's better in 2s but personally I think he's better in 1s

I just feel like it's so easy to gang up on iron giant in 2s

[sinful dust]

Yeah I feel like IG needs a partner who can constantly save him or else he just gets targeted and can’t do anything

[knotty perch]

@abstract python genuinely the first iron giant I've lost to since ranked started and I played all of them at least twice

but that second stock was criminal 😭

[abstract python]

Dude Ive fought TK and im struggling with ur shaggy more

Only reason I won is cuz townville sucks

Ur goated

[knotty perch]

you flatter me lmao

ggs!

[abstract python]

Ggs

Speaking of town have they removed water tower

I aint got it once

Not that im complaining

[knotty perch]

I did not like that stage

[rich vigil]

Yeah I haven't seen it either

[sinful dust]

They definitely did because I haven’t seen it either

[rich vigil]

I hated that stage tho so I don't got a problem with it

[sinful dust]

I think they just need to make the blast zones bigger on it

It’s too easy to get cheesed in the platforms

[rich vigil]

I didn't like the big middle platform

It kept messing me up

My scraps from my uptilt would get caught on it

[abstract python]

Imo it screws over canonball heavy

U cant cancel it or else u get stuck on that plat

[rich vigil]

Yeah that too

[abstract python]

Just hit masters 1 so im not touching ts again anyway 😭

They gotta change some stuff around

[lone flume]

Any iron giants wana team up in ranked

[mortal bridge]

3rd time fighting this iron giant. He wins with less than 100 damage delt every time. So infuriating

[warm skiff]

stats are bugged

[mortal bridge]

Either way he killed me at 40 or less every time

[warm skiff]

it was probably on a non tourney legal map

cuz ig cant 0td on tourney legal maps

[mortal bridge]

It’s just crazy how I have to get him to 150-200 and he can kill at 40. I’m in plat top 1700 so I’m no slouch. He just a little much

[warm skiff]

plat gets you top 1700 global?

[mortal bridge]

Apparently

[warm skiff]

ig shouldnt get to 150 if you know how to kill

[mortal bridge]

I’m 21 banana guard

[warm skiff]

what character are you on

oh thats why

your character struggles killing vertically

easiest way to kill ig

[mortal bridge]

True

[warm skiff]

idk what rank i am on lb rn

but its #1 iron giant north america alteast

like top 30 global

[mortal bridge]

You are? Very nice. IG I assume?

Unless I am mis reading that haha

[warm skiff]

yeah i play ig

[mortal bridge]

I never want to run into you k thx lol almost an instant loss against a competent IG for me

[sinful dust]

Nah man it’s heavily dependent on what character you play. If you play someone like Stripe or Rick, you’re not killing IG until like 180 without some sort of deep edgeguard

[lyric forge]

Up special needs to go through Morty dirt lol

[sinful dust]

Morty dirt isn’t considered a projectile

And honestly thank god it isn’t. We don’t need dirt to proc flammable and apply 2 stacks of weaken

[abstract python]

Nah it would be way better for giant if it was tho

Cuz then u could just car through his entire gameplan

[sinful dust]

Well yeah for IG

But not for literally anyone else

[shy shore]

good thing i dont play anyone else so this is an absolute win for me

[sinful dust]

Morty is already top 3. We don’t need him being any better

[high wind]

who do you guys hate facing the most as IG players?

[knotty perch]

morty and tnj

smith

[rich vigil]

Marvin

[abstract python]

Morty

Hes not the worst matchup but god is it so corny

Actually wait

Scratch that

Nothing in this game is worse than an IG mirror

[high wind]

so basically projectiles fighters

[abstract python]

It depends

Reindog and Lebron are even or winning

Its just the other projectile characters have tools that are better with dealing with IG

[high wind]

yeah, as a TnJ player I dont really mind the matchup personally

[knotty perch]

battle of the priority

I've beaten the top 2 IG players in the mirror 🔥

[abstract python]

Whoever gets car first wins!!

I could 3 stock bobo then lose to a random

[knotty perch]

😭

[abstract python]

Zero skill in that matchup

[high wind]

I like how bobo is the biggest example for giant

[abstract python]

Him, Elektrokills, T1Carry, and Metsfan4ever are the best giants

[high wind]

mets na?

never seen him in action

[abstract python]

Idk, ive fought him once tho

[rich vigil]

Omg that's so true

I hate the ditto so much

It's just whoever gets their first hit in wins

[rich vigil]

Yeah

[high wind]

any of you giant enjoyers wanna run some 2's? I am always looking for more giants in my friends list

[lyric forge]

Wait does car beat projectiles? I’ve been spinning for all projectiles lol

Car pound *

[high wind]

it kills jerry

[lyric forge]

Wow

[high wind]

but to be fair after the nerf this season jerry dies to almost everything

[abstract python]

Up special beats any projectile it hits including Jerry

Combine it with projectile shield and then Giant beats basically every projectile

[lyric forge]

Gotcha

[abstract python]

Problem is there are a few ranged moves he still has to respect cuz they don’t count as projectiles (Reindog fireball aoe, Meseeks, Dirt)

[high wind]

jerry has a sweetspot too

[lyric forge]

I gotcha, I’ve also noticed in doubles I’ll spin through projectiles but Jerry will go through me and hit my teammate behind lol

[rich vigil]

Yuh

[high wind]

jerry goes over gian'ts hip in rage mode not normally

[lyric forge]

How do other giants do the rage mode stomp where they keep looping the stomp what is the other move they doing to keep them in place? I can’t figure it out

[abstract python]

Literally nothing lmfao

[lyric forge]

wtf

[abstract python]

If ur in a corner then the shockwave lasts long enough

[lyric forge]

I thought it was down special or something

[abstract python]

To loop into itself

[lyric forge]

That’s amazing

I appreciate all the answers to my questions. Top 50 giant but I’m coming for your spot @abstract python 😆

[abstract python]

Dude ain even grind ranked no more after masters 1 u got it

😭

[lyric forge]

Lol

[high wind]

u guys grind 1's or 2's?

[lyric forge]

Mostly 2s

Unless my buddy isn’t online lol

[high wind]

wanna try couple games?

[lyric forge]

I’d be down later today, running some errands rn

I’ll msg you

[high wind]

alright.

[abstract python]

it most definetly still is

its extremely inconistent and hard to get

but still exists nontheless

just got a clip of me hitting it

[rich vigil]

Oh, weird

So I guess it just happens randomly then

Does it only happen when you get the buggy rage mode?

[abstract python]

Nah the rage mode was fine, I think it has something to do with downtilt incorrectly moving on the platforms cuz I did it on scooby’s mansion

And thats the only time ive gotten it as of season 2

[rich vigil]

Oh funky

[mint python]

is it just me or is ig just unplayable in 1v1s now? everyone i fight has some kind of infinite loop they can keep me in

[pallid parrot]

Your not alone

[distant gyro]

And yet people will still complain he's "op"

[mint python]

hes still not bad but some matchups are completely unwinnable its crazy

[warm skiff]

i dont think he has matchups that are uniwnnable

[mint python]

a good arya and morty player,its rooough

[warm skiff]

arya just parry and morty wait for dirt to dodge

[mint python]

easier said than done

[warm skiff]

exactlyyyyy

[fluid parrot]

Lets see your gameplay of "just parrying" an Arya

[knotty perch]

carry is top 3 IG in the world

[abstract python]

It’s definitely easier said than done but its doable

Arya can’t make too many mistakes against giant cuz she dies super early

[warm skiff]

set a specific button for neutral dodge

[fluid parrot]

Lets see you do it

[forest jackal]

just started playing IG today

he’s nuts 🤣

so BIG

[lone flume]

Any good iron giants want to team up he works best with my black Adam and his chain, lightning is perfect for getting players off of iron giants I’m in plat 4 kind of been stuck for a while been playing with randoms

[mint python]

wait you can??? wtf i remember when the game came out you couldnt

yeah thats crazy,makes my life a thousand times easier lmao

[knotty perch]

it was my scroll wheel in the beta and for some reason that’s unbindable now

[abstract python]

Update it does not

Giant can windbox on any stage still

They clearly went through the work to remove it cuz I can’t get it consistent no matter what I do

But it for sure exists

[mint python]

im p sure (also considering the clip you posted and from me testing it in lab) its about not hitting the final hit on sair, still extremely hard to do tho.

yeah,it consistently happens when i dont get the last hit. ill try to clip it

damn its really hard to do tho

[abstract python]

Yeah im saying its either dumb hard or inconsistent

They defo made it harder since 1.7

[mint python]

yeah you probably cant ever get this in a game consistently

even in the lab i cant set it up properly

alr i managed to clip it

[rich vigil]

You think DIng out during the fair could help?

[mint python]

if they manage to di out of the last hit yeah would probably also work

[warm skiff]

i could :3

[fluid parrot]

Cool i want to see you do it send a clip

Lets see the parry master at work

[rich vigil]

Do you know who this is 💀

[fluid parrot]

Nope

Its the parry god

[rich vigil]

Arguably the best NA Iron Giant player

Multiple, consistent tournament results, one of the most notable being making top 8 at coinbox

The only NA Iron Giant I've seen with the tournament results to match that compare to Carry is Mets

[fluid parrot]

Good for him, still doesnt mean he can "just parry" arya

[abstract python]

Watch his set against Feify at the most recent frostiversus

I agree parrying arya isnt simple at all

but looking at his gameplay hes most definetly capable of making it work

[rich vigil]

Id say he can. Maybe most can't, but he can

[fluid ermine]

Ok I might be wrong about iron giant

In this patch we didn't got a 0 to death from him

We got iron giant healing from 100 to 0 on 2's 💀

[abstract python]

We will never be free

They should have never removed the experimental tag

[rich vigil]

Wait what

What the hell happened 😭

[fluid ermine]

https://x.com/ChrisXtophers/status/1818286657940095346/video/1

Basically this

An interaction between IG and Shaggy

[rich vigil]

Ok yeah that looks pretty scummy

Hopefully tournaments ban the glitch and not iron giant

This one isn't even really iron giant's fault

This is a Multiversus spaghetti code situation

[faint gust]

Man, I really hope they don't banish Iron Giant to the shadow realm again. They can handle big character bugs much better than how they have previously

[lyric forge]

Has anybody been getting super glitchy giant games? Like the moves don’t come out or come out super choppy. Happened to me twice tonight

Constantly twitching like he’s about to crouch

[knotty perch]

they will

[faint gust]

Removing an entire character from the game just to fix one incredibly specific bug the average Joe isn't gonna know about is stupid, honestly

The better course of action would be to just fix the bug as soon as possible instead of deserting a ton of players

Or, alternatively, ban Iron Giant from competitive only. Leave him playable in casual where less damage will be done

[knotty perch]

it wasn’t one bug to be honest lmao

[sinful dust]

How does this work? Is it that IG in rage mode picking up Shaggy’s Scooby Snacks doesn’t despawn the Scooby Snacks?

[fluid ermine]

Yeah shaggy is the main problem I think he can proc scooby snacks infinitely if he's inside rage mode ig

[sinful dust]

That’s dumb

Also wtf IG jab dtilt infinite still works on Jason

Another L for Jason I guess

[warm skiff]

Time to abuse ig in ig unbanned tournaments

[abstract python]

IG Shaggy his best team until next patch it seems

[knotty perch]

IG nerfs 😭

[abstract python]

45 seconds.

45 seconds.

[deep idol]

EVERY PATCH BRO. EVERY PATCH WE ARE GETTING PUT FURTHER INTO THE GROUND

[abstract python]

I would understand if they nerfed the top 5 with him

but nah just arya

[deep idol]

i truly dont understand this balacning team

[sinful dust]

They didn’t even nerf the truly broken part of Arya dtilt

[abstract python]

Lebron and IG nerfs before Finn and Joker

[sinful dust]

That it’s functionally a dodge attack that only costs one dodge bar

[abstract python]

we are so finished

[deep idol]

what does on-whiff cancel mean?

[sinful dust]

Whiff lag

[abstract python]

being able to dodge out if you miss the move

they made it so that u cant do it as early anymore

[ember talon]

leave IG alone :(

https://multiversus.com/en/news/1-2-1-patch-notes

[dim crane]

IG catching strays

[mint python]

why they nerfing ig even more 45 burst cd is crazy

[rancid sleet]

45 seconds til burst is NUTS

😭

everything else idrc about since it’s bug fixing and other frame stuff

but damn 45??

might as well make burst a better move?

since it’s good to escape combos and whatnot but 45 seconds makes it practically an unusable move

[mint python]

yeah burts already kinda dookie ngl we need the beta burst with the invincibility back

that was so fun to use and actually rewarded geting bolts

[rancid sleet]

the invincibility is a bit crazy but atp might as well since burst is 45 seconds

[dim crane]

really unhealthy direction they're taking him in, just a combo machine with nothing else

[rancid sleet]

IG really only has one special move cuz ain’t nobody using rage mode

rage mode is L to use

[ember talon]

you devs are NUTS

[rancid sleet]

idk if that’s a hot take or not

[young relic]

Bro next patch they gonna increase the delay between jab 1 and jab 2 because IG being able to hit 2 jabs consecutively is OP (and increase natural special cooldown just because)

[mint python]

yeah 45 seconds is actually demented now with people having inifinite comboes over ig too

your going to break out of one combo once a stock and thats it

[ember talon]

Iron Giant, you deserve better

I'm sorry that you have to suffer

[abstract python]

The up special change is awful

You get punished if u hit one and miss the 2nd

[full tide]

Damn

They really want this character to be killed

[fluid parrot]

Yeah i have 1.3k wins but done playing him. He feels horrible, and gets 0-100'd in seconds in 2s now

Meanwhile joker, finn, wonder woman are all still broke

[deep idol]

i seriously dont know what they doing with samurai jack, joker finn and wonder woman. they are letting them sit and be OP mean while literally killing ig when he dont even have much going for him anymore

[lyric forge]

Giant is cooked

[floral turret]

Another day, another iron giant nerfs.

[abstract python]

Character still gimmicks and kills dumb early, they’re straight up going full snowball on his balancing

Either you infinite him and he doesn’t get to play the game, or you make one mistake and die extremely low

I can’t imagine that’s enjoyable for either side

[deep idol]

just think while you play against iron giant and youll be fine. you have to pressure him. once u get that down and figure out how to beat him its pretty much a no brainer

[weary arch]

I kinda dropped the game cause they kept changing IG

Imma try again with someone else it just sucks they can't figure out how to balance him without trying to take all the fun outta him every single patch

[deep idol]

imo iron giant is fine as is now, any other nerfs would be unnecessary

[knotty perch]

he needs changes but I don't think anyone on the team knows what to change so they just keep nerfing him

[abstract python]

Giant still gets infintied and kills at 40

He's not healthy for the game and never will be if these devs try to push the snowball character nonsense

[deep idol]

giant rarely kills at low hp unless its a light character such as finn

people tend to stretch iron giant a little to far. hes good dont get me wrong. but hes nowhere near needing as many changes as he did. him being a snowball character is fine. there are way worse and unhealthy character mechanics in the game atm for everyones nerf focus to still be on IG

[mint python]

think ig traumatized everyone too much and now we are overcompensating on his ass

[deep idol]

couldnt agree more

[vivid heron]

why does void think this character is so good

he is ass

and he got nerfed again awesome

[abstract python]

iirc Void said on stream he just hates fighting the character constantly in high mmr ranked

cuz there was a plethora of giants on the top the first few days of ranked

[vivid heron]

me when that is the trend for every single new platform fighter i feel like

people thought reptar was broken

twice

[rich vigil]

Tbf, his tierlist was made before the most recent nerf

And Carry has proven that Iron Giant is beyond just viable

[abstract python]

Yeah Giants never been out of top 10 for me in full release but to say he was top 2 in 1s is a tad of a stretch id argue

[sinful dust]

I’d still say he’s top 10 even with the most recent nerfs tho

[abstract python]

Yeah which is why I said he’s never exited top 10

[shy shore]

yeah im defo done playing the game lol

not even just giant, just the game in general

after this patch giant feels like

so unfun

idgaf if hes still top whatever

its so unbelievely boring to play as him now and every game feels so uninteresting

i do commend the developers for trying something but if this game's servers shutdown tomorrow morning i would be cheering

[rich vigil]

Why would you cheer if the game shut down? Not enjoying the game yourself is one thing but actively rooting for the game to fail when others are still having fun is a little messed up no?

[shy shore]

i do not understand like

any choices made

and it feels like the patches are just randomly decided

i have numerous issues with the game at a baseline but i was willing to ignore its flaws because i was having fun playing the game

and now its like

im not having fun in 2s or 1s, im going into a patch hoping for something rather than just enjoying the game in its current state which i think is an indicator of the game not really being that good

patches are either a bread sandwich of buffs, a slap on the wrist or they hit u with the blood eagle

so if im not enjoying it and now im looking at all its flaws it just like

im just in awe that it got past anything in such a state

[vivid heron]

L

[rich vigil]

Real

[abstract python]

Devs are definitely out of touch but I think they can turn it around

Maybe im huffing copium

Shutting it all down aint worth it yet

[shy shore]

genuienly

like no lie

[lyric forge]

I think up special got hit the hardest this most recent patch

[shy shore]

i think this game would have succeeded a lot more

if it was just

flat 60

[lyric forge]

Dodging afterwards takes 5 light years now

[abstract python]

I been saying this

giant gets punished for trying to follow up

no more nair > up special > nair

and he gets punished for hitting the first one and not the 2nd

[lyric forge]

Yup

[abstract python]

his advantage state is definetly worse off now

[rich vigil]

I think up special can sometimes be DIed out of too

[lyric forge]

Yeah

[abstract python]

yup

[half prawn]

iron giant finally in a place where hes not overpowered wow!

maybe anyways

[knotty perch]

top 60 IG with like 20 matches played what ever happened to our glorious IGs 😞

[rich vigil]

Metahoppers dropped him now that he requires skill to use

[floral turret]

I'll still use him no matter what, nobody is changing my mind. My giant boi is my friend forever

I still love him and love to play as him

and now I'm seeing people stop using him

[high wind]

how do you guys feel about IG after the recent nerfs? is he still as viable in both 1's and 2's?

[sinful dust]

Outside of the full heal glitch which will definitely get patched at some point, he’s definitely still viable in both

Easily still top 10 in 1v1 and he pairs well with a bunch of characters in 2v2 actually fitting the role of a tank

[half prawn]

still top 10? mate hes still top 3 lmao

[sinful dust]

I’m saying top 10 to account for the downplayers

But personally I’d say he’s somewhere around 5th

My list would probably go something like:

1. Arya
2. Joker
3. Morty
4. Finn
5. Iron Giant

Finn and Morty being interchangeable

[half prawn]

yeh could add batman somewhere but good list

or even ww

[sinful dust]

Batman, Wonder Woman, and Gizmo are 6-8

Idk the order tho

Then some combination of Bugs, Black Adam, Shaggy, and Jack

Honestly, a “top 10” doesn’t even make sense because imo the divide is more like top 12

[knotty perch]

he is not top 5

[rich vigil]

You're actually delusional if you think Iron Giant is top 3

I could easily name 5 characters better than Iron Giant

Morty

Finn

Arya

Wonder Woman

Gizmo

Joker

Boom that's 6

I really have a hard time believing Iron Giant is still top 10 after the nerfs. So many characters have infinites or near infinites on him now.

[half prawn]

in 1v1, ig still top 3, doesnt die until 160+, free combo break, kills at 50 sometimes with that ledge combo bs

[rich vigil]

If you're killing iron giant at above 160 you're playing the match up wrong

A combo break that works once per stock, which half of the time doesn't even matter because after you get out of it you get sent back into the blender

And the only time IG will be killing at 50 is with Up Special off the side and now that move has hella endlag so it's super risky

And honestly with how IG gets combo'd (and in some cases, infinited) I don't think occasionally being able to kill at 50 is a big deal

[half prawn]

i literally beat #5 ig in ranked and i was only killing him at like 150+ lmao

after patch btw

[rich vigil]

Do you remember the stage

Because it also stage dependent

But if you beat him then why are you complaining

Like I mean if you didn't struggle to kill him at 150 then what is even the problem

[half prawn]

yeh it is all stage dependent ofc, im complaining because ig isa dumb character that should be removed, skill less asf, burst should go, lledge combo should go

[mint python]

bro is just way too traumatized from launch ig

[rich vigil]

Ok you are just delusional lmao

Go play iron giant for 2 weeks and then tell me with a straight face that he's skill-less in his current state 🤣

[half prawn]

ig is the most un fun character to possibly pick out of all 28

survive until 160 and kill at 60! woo fun

[rich vigil]

So what I'm hearing is you've never played the character (or have played him minimally) but you wanna pretend like you know how he works

Ok buddy

[half prawn]

i play against him!

[rich vigil]

Playing against a character will never give you a feel for how the character works to play as

I guarantee you that if you start playing iron giant you will start seeing his flaws and you'll realize why he's not top 3

[abstract python]

I need everyone that still thinks IG is top 3 to actually play him against the top tiers

[rich vigil]

"I need everyone that still thinks IG is top 3 to actually play him against the top tiers"

[abstract python]

Real

[sinful dust]

He’s not top 3

[abstract python]

Anyone that has him at top 3 is overplaying, anyone that has him below top 10 is downplaying

This is the way

[high wind]

guess IG is in a decent spot then

[abstract python]

Cuz they never nerf the stuff that makes him broken

They’re too busy nerfing bolts instead of doing something about his abuse of the blast zones and killing dumb early

[rich vigil]

Don't forget rage mode shenanigans

[high wind]

I mean they can't kill everything about him.

[abstract python]

This too

Lets nerf bolts ten thousand times and the only nerf Rage Mode has gotten is rockets going from .75 to 1.25 cooldown and up special not killing at 0

[abstract python]

Id rather they kill off his egregious offense than his defense as if that’s the issue people are having with him

[high wind]

I doubt they'll do that. not every IG knows how to activate rage mode the moment they fill it up

[deep idol]

to be completely honest, he needs his offense now that his defense kind of sucks.

[abstract python]

now he definitely does

which is stupid

half the appeal was that he was a brick wall that had options

now its just nair and kill at 60 or get infinited rahhh

I am a dirty onetrick so I will play him regardless I fear

[half prawn]

ig takes no skill

ez

next nerf will hopefully remove his ledge bs killing at 60, and now hes balanced!

[sinful dust]

Honestly, I don’t think PFG knows what to nerf about IG

So they just keep nerfing burst

I wonder when they’re actually gonna limit burst to once per stock

[mint python]

yeah idk why burst nerfs and knockback nerfs happened at the same time we give everyone extremely good loops and even infinites against ig but we also nerf his only way to break out of that

[sinful dust]

The neutral attack knockback nerf is like the only nerf I’d say that’s actually somewhat good for nerfing IG properly

But nerfing burst cooldown does nothing

The nerf to sair knockback in the previous patch was also huge for not having things like jab -> IAD nair -> sair killing at like zero at ledge

[deep idol]

tbh iron giant dont need anymore nerfs as is. hes in a good enough state to fit into the roster as is. theres only 4 igs in top 50 in both 1v1 and 2s.

[knotty perch]

there’s a potential zero to death with current IG

jab iad nair into up special at the edge of the stage

but it’s weird

[rich vigil]

I'm pretty sure the nair to up special isn't true

It can be DIed out of

[deep idol]

almost every character has a potential “zero to death” its all
about how the other character dodges out

[lyric forge]

I’ve been catching people with up special into sair. Comes out way later but still works if they panic

Kills dumb early still if you’re far enough off stage

[abstract python]

It depends on if giant reads the DI when he nairs

If he does IAD nair and they DI up then its not true

But if he does jump nair and they DI up then its true

[rich vigil]

Oh so it's like a 50/50

Funky

[sinful dust]

I mean, IG up special off stage especially is just hard to avoid because it’s so big

[fluid parrot]

Any iron giants want to verse my 1.5k win Jason?

[lean pine]

Any combos

[abstract python]

Giant's combo game is heavily reliant on DI

If theyre DIng up then u can do Jab > Reverse Nair > Jab or Jab > Nair > Upair for kill

[lean pine]

DI?

[abstract python]

Directional Input'

If they DI away then Jab > IAD > Sair or Up Special

If theyre near ledge then always end with up special

cuz it kills earlier

[lean pine]

IAD (Im new)

[abstract python]

instant air dash

[lean pine]

?

[abstract python]

like dash on the ground into the air to perform nair

[rich vigil]

IAD is when you hold your left joystick up and diagonally to the side and then click dodge and then click an aerial move. Don't jump. For whatever reason, dodging with this directional input causes you to do an aerial super close to the ground while boosting forwards

IG typically likes to do IAD nair and occasionally an IAD fair

[shy shore]

if someone is getting hit by ur move, theyre in hitstun. hitstun is different dependant on the move. when in hitstun, you cant dodge or escape (unless ur iron giant) but you can hold a direction or change directions to change where you get sent by moves. this is called DI, and Iron Giant's combos are dependant on this DI

[storm frost]

Rage mode is a free win button in 2s wtf

Actually a cheat character

[deep idol]

literally just pressure him and he will be rung out in 10 seconds.

[storm frost]

He has a teammate btw

Also Jack and Reindog cant kill until 200%

Which is the team I have

So IG just cant die

Free win character

[deep idol]

iron giant is literally combo food to jack and reindogs projectiles, if you are literally still losing to ig while using both of them. thats an issue on your end

still complaining bout ig when hes not even top 5 anymore is genuinely insane

[storm frost]

He's top 3 lmao

And do you play 2s alone or something

You know you have a teammate, right?

[rich vigil]

Yeah rage mode is what actually needs be nerfed on this character

[deep idol]

check again

[rich vigil]

No he's not

[storm frost]

Rage mode IG is a free win button and the devs nerf everything but rage mode

[deep idol]

hope they dont nerf it into the ground though, its literally all he has going for himself now

[rich vigil]

Zypten always comes in here and complains after losing to an iron giant

[storm frost]

I usually dont lose to Iron Giant but I usually play 1s

2s he's unbeatable

Can't exploit his weakness because of his teammate

Like how Jason is trash in 1s but solid in 2s because his weaknesses are less prevalent

[fluid parrot]

Skill issue

[storm frost]

Definition of a character carried character tbh

[fluid parrot]

1v1 rn you play as IG i'll play Jason

Should be a free W right?

[storm frost]

You dont read very well, do you?

[fluid parrot]

If IG carries, come beat me as IG

[storm frost]

Yeah you cant read

[deep idol]

oh so this is normal

[storm frost]

Talk to me when you learn to read lil guy

1 blocked message

[fluid parrot]

Whats your WB name?

[storm frost]

Zypten

What

Lmao you're just as stupid as everyone else who thinks tracker.gg is a valid way to check someones profile

It only displays beta stats

[fluid parrot]

Who do you main

[storm frost]

I main a handful of characters, Reindog, Jack, Jason, Batman depending on how I'm feeling that day

Sometimes Harley because her setups are vile

Evil character

Despicable mid tier

[fluid parrot]

So youve been playing samurai jack in 2s today and are crying about IG?

[storm frost]

IG is way better than Jack lol

[fluid parrot]

Skill issue

Craziness

[storm frost]

Jack dies at 5% to half the cast

Garbage survivability

[fluid parrot]

You've lost any and all credibilty goodbye. Skill issue

[storm frost]

You play IG

[fluid parrot]

I main Jason

[storm frost]

Words of an IG main

[fluid parrot]

1.7k Jason wins go look me up on ranked leaderboards

Cant beat IG as Jack. The most skill issue of all skill issues

[storm frost]

Yeah I'm not starting up the game for allat

[fluid parrot]

Skill issue

[deep idol]

okay your just talking now

any good jack stomps ig

[fluid parrot]

Yeah he lost me there

Absolutely insane take

[abstract python]

No he's completely right in that regard

Rage mode is busted

I don't agree with the top 3 or anything else he said

but Rage mode counterplay isnt simple especially in 2s

[high wind]

I'd say giant is top 6 or 7 in 2's

[keen belfry]

Why they keep nerfing my boy

[rich vigil]

People keep complaining

As long as people complain about iron giant, he'll be nerfed

I think open giant has received a total of 2 buffs since the full release

One gave his grab slightly more armor and the other made his entire upper half of his body block projectiles

[abstract python]

Willing to bet Giant might get ended this season

The two things that make him good are
-Rage Mode
-Killing extremley early thanks to the lack of distance from the stage and blast zones

If they do something about the blast zones along with the nerfs we fully know he's getting midseason

it might be cooked

people will only accept this character when he's bottom 3

[rich vigil]

Even then I doubt it

People complained about him at the end of the beta

[abstract python]

U right

Dudes just want em removed

[rich vigil]

Ever since they removed him for a hotfix they think it'll happen again if they whine enough

[abstract python]

It is a sad existence playing the most hated character in a live action game

[rich vigil]

I think Multiversus players would crumble upon fighting smash Rob

[deep idol]

ive played over 200 matches in the past 2 days and i havent fought a single iron giant as a iron giant myself. i can count on one hand how many iron giants ive fought since game has released yet people still constantly complain about him. i dont see how or why when theres other characters that have way bigger and broken moves atm thats being literally abused

[lyric forge]

Yeah, I have not seen a single giant since the most recent nerfs either lol

I was going through some clips of beta I had and…. Why did cannonball used to be like that 😆

[mint python]

i came across one while playing taz but bro really didnt want to get stuck in an infinite loop by 2 inputs so he just left before the match started

[rich vigil]

I don't blame him lmao

[mint python]

yeah all power to him probably woulda done the same thing

[rancid sleet]

iron giant is like the strongest B to C tier character atp

he’s not a threat anymore

[rich vigil]

That's what I'm saying

[uncut bronze]

not in 1s at least

[deep idol]

barley 2s

[uncut bronze]

rage mode is what makes him solid in 2s

other than that they took away a lot of what he had going for him

[deep idol]

every character has something going for themselves in this game c once rage mode is put into the ground like the rest of him. he will be bottom tier

[frigid reef]

big cope. everyone forgets Iron Giant has the most weight. surely pfg would compensate for nerfing rage mode by buffing grounded side-special to make him feel more like a grappler

[rich vigil]

Nope

They'll just nerf rage mode

And then nerf up special

[high wind]

I doubt he'll receive more nerfs, they dont have to bring him to bottom 5

[distant gyro]

as long as he's playable, people will want him nerfed

[high wind]

his playrate dropped hard since last patch

people want everyone to be nerfed they wont stop complaining

[distant gyro]

ik

[mint python]

all ig has now is killing early at edges because the maps suck,they butchered him

[frigid reef]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/893582544614871104/1270494113468514396/Screenshot_20240629-224727.jpg?ex=66b3e759&is=66b295d9&hm=8f570c01592a1a1dcfd6e1360ee704183586f984f696b5b86b3019b0238efb7a&

[young relic]

Don't forget adding more time to bolts

[abstract python]

G down is the only way we get bingo

Unless they somehow get everything wrong with the character

[rich vigil]

Oh hey that's the one I made a while ago lol

[frigid reef]

i honestly think they should buff his dash-attack, give it a shield. it's completely useless

[mint python]

shield on dash would be actually usable yeah

[celest herald]

How on earth do you fight Steven universe? I just fought one in ranked and I literally couldn’t do anything. His side air just beat every one of my moves.

[lime sonnet]

Spam car spin

[celest herald]

This dude was running away throwing out the stupid shield thing, then just spamming side air or neutral air. He someone fell out of all of my moves and hitting him was a chore. I’ll have try car spin spam next time though so thank you 🙏

[abstract python]

Projectile Shield Perk so you don’t get walled out by side special

Try to parry side air

Don’t let him stay above you too often cuz he wants to get his nair - dair loops off and its a good way for him to approach

Farm watermelon steven for free rage mode, try not to kill him too early

Spamming car spin works well too

[half prawn]

Why would anyone willing play giant, the most un fun character by far he’s huge

[abstract python]

Oxymoron

“The most unfun character” and “He’s huge” in the same sentence

He’s fun because he’s huge

[rich vigil]

Honestly yeah that's why I picked him up in the beta lmao

[half prawn]

But you ain’t gonna get better at the game playing ig, before the latest nerf I mean , when he was OP , not only was he a noob destroyer , also great against top players , where’s the fun in that when you know ur playing a dumb broken character

[rich vigil]

Well before a lot of people just played him because he was broken

[abstract python]

IG wasn’t even top 1 pre nerf

[half prawn]

Yeh he was top 3 in 1v1 with Finn and Arya

[abstract python]

Debatable

And even so

Surely “dumb broken character that you won’t get better with”

[half prawn]

Fun!

[abstract python]

Would apply to Finn and Arya as well right

[high wind]

some people enjoy getting hit XD

[half prawn]

No one can convince me onlinewithbobo is good at this game 🤣

After playing him many times

[half prawn]

Yessss iron giant !

[half prawn]

Yeh it would…

Finns are 1 tricks and Arya got nerfed so she’s not so bad now

[abstract python]

So anyone playing a top tier is just bad at the game without parole

[rich vigil]

Ltg moment

[half prawn]

players who play ig I do not see good at the game until I see them perform well with another character

[rich vigil]

No shot you still think that's the case

[abstract python]

Except IG isn’t the easiest nor best character

So why does this apply to him specifically

[half prawn]

Not anymore for sure

[rich vigil]

So why even bring it up???

[half prawn]

Now if ur good with him fair enough

[half prawn]

Personally think should be removed

So all the cheese ig mains get annoyed

[abstract python]

I wouldn’t count on a character getting removed in a live service game

[rich vigil]

"this character should be removed because I think he's annoying"

[half prawn]

Agreed, although not annoying anymore since recent patch

Should be removed purely cuz I hate him

[rich vigil]

😐

You need to go outside

[abstract python]

Thanks for sharing

[half prawn]

I go outside everyday

[half prawn]

Ur name only applies to post patch

[knotty perch]

got my IG to diamond today

[knotty perch]

do you play superman? I think I ran into you a lot

[half prawn]

yes ive played ur arya

[rich vigil]

Ayy good stuff

[knotty perch]

tyy

[knotty perch]

shaggy also

[fluid parrot]

My man playing superman talking about not learning fundamentals

[half prawn]

what are u on about

[fluid parrot]

Pretty obvious what im on about while you cry about IG

Supermans entire gameplan is to just cheese kills

[half prawn]

superman takes skill

[fluid parrot]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO

[mint python]

actually you have to have a very high iq to press 2 inputs to infinitely loop someone

[fluid parrot]

Takes immense intellect to jab, dtilt, jab, dtilt, nair cheese dead

[mint python]

complaining about iron giant too,i think you can just go to bed with superman and that would be a true infinite loop against iron giant

[fluid parrot]

I play jason mainly. The superman matchup is the most glue eating experience in the game

[half prawn]

actually its now jab dair jab dair jab dair

pure skill

[half prawn]

yeh good thing now since the patch iron giant is so easy to beat with superman

[half prawn]

cuz superman stomps the weaker characters

but also struggles against the top tiers

[fluid parrot]

Sounds riveting

[rancid sleet]

Iron Giant to me isn’t a character you’d wanna use to grind and be the best at, unless you’re a mvs sweat

to me he’s just like the most fun character you can use, big attacks, fun moves, and also he’s a great character (bonus for Iron Giant being one of the best animated movies ever)

he’s kind of like the epitome of casuals fun

and that’s totally okay

he’s also interesting to get good as, seeing as he has the most bad MU’s in the game (obviously due to him being combo food for aryas, harleys, finns, etc)

[shy shore]

I cant get over Harley matchup on giant, any tips?

[abstract python]

Projectile Shield so you can walk through her bombs

DI away offstage when he has you in the sair-uptilt loop

And kill her early cuz shes light

Its a losing MU but not the worst

[shy shore]

Should I use afterburners or 5% on main perk?

[rich vigil]

Wrong Side of the Bed

Rage mode is busted

[abstract python]

Yeah Wrong Side of The Bed is just unanimously the best soley because of how insane rage mode is

Like u get it instantly in 2s if ur teammate dies and u have that perk on

[rancid sleet]

https://youtu.be/92lYQ89yBHY?si=_x7qzYvUZeclFELx

videos like this get me mad for iron giant

T1 is just good as iron giant, and there’s a clip in the beginning of morty killing him with a clean combo

“they’re definitely nerfing this guy omg” alas he was nerfed anyway but it’s not even needed

[keen belfry]

Bro buff iron giant

Why’d you guys nerf him to unplayable on tanked

[abstract python]

Unplayable?

Hes still top 10

Because they didn’t fix his actual issues and just slapped nerfs on his defense

[high wind]

top 7*

[abstract python]

Yeah

Im just saying top 10 as an estimate

[rich vigil]

Saying top 7 doesn't make sense to me

Just say he's the 7th best

The whole point of saying top 10 is to communicate that he's somewhere within the 10 best characters but you're not sure where

[uncut bronze]

7th best sounds about right with the nerfs

[high wind]

he is better than the other top 6 on most smaller stages.

[abstract python]

WW, Joker, Finn, Arya, Gizmo are the ones above him for sure

everything past that is usually subjective which is why I say top 10

[uncut bronze]

i think theres chars that are being slept on that could potentially be better than IG rn just because theres not a lot of people that are really good with them atm

[fluid parrot]

Hard to say something arbitrary like "#7" when he has unwinnable matchups vs characters like Jason

[lyric forge]

Any advice for dealing with taz tornado?

While not in rage mode lol

[frigid reef]

parry it

[abstract python]

Uptilt if he does it from above you

If not then run away or parry it

[rich vigil]

I agree

I felt like Rick is really slept on

[frigid reef]

Lebron James is also slept on, but only in 2v2s

[rich vigil]

Nah even in 1v1s imo

He's got some wicked combos

Not saying he deserved the nerfs, but he definitely isn't a bad character

[frigid reef]

he has some strange combos. it isn't easy to do a no-look pass after jab 2. it can also be DI'd and make it not true sometimes. i think his ball takes too long to come off of cooldown and his kill-confirms are kinda meh

[uncut bronze]

LeBron is disgusting in 2s

[uncut bronze]

just hit Masters tier with IG, rank #35

[rich vigil]

Ayy good stuff

[uncut bronze]

mostly solo queue too 😭

[shy shore]

Last night was about #10 IG masters 1

Dunno abt now

Knowing my luck someone has swooped in and kicked me out.. 💔

[rich vigil]

Ayy making top 10 at all is a big feat

Good stuff yo

[shy shore]

How I felt after the finn ran into the back hit of nair..

🚁

[lyric forge]

😆

[uncut bronze]

ended the night rank #17, aiming for top 10 today

[high wind]

EU or NA?

[uncut bronze]

NA

[high wind]

all high elo giant players are na

[uncut bronze]

except onlinewithbobo

[rich vigil]

And H377 I think

[deep idol]

u should 1v1 me so i can learn some stuff from you

[high wind]

how do u guys feel about the tnj & giant lobby in 2's?

[frigid reef]

iron giant is just a rage mode character, but T&J can hold their own

[abstract python]

TJ is one of the better teammates for IG

Him, Morty, and Black adam are among his best imo

[uncut bronze]

pretty much any projectile char is good with IG

[abstract python]

really anyone that can sit back and provide for IG while he sponges everything in the frontline

[uncut bronze]

lmao pretty much

[high wind]

finding good IG duos is mission impossible if you're an EU player

[knotty perch]

why?

[high wind]

none of them post in lfg. all of them already booked

[knotty perch]

there’s a whole eu discord

[high wind]

I am in it too.

lfg there more dead than this

[knotty perch]

ah

[uncut bronze]

EU just has a much smaller IG playerbase i think, not too many good ones going around there

[high wind]

yeah. playing with IGs feels like a different game, a more fun one.

[knotty perch]

there’s onlinewithbobo and elektrokills

[high wind]

they are both top players

[knotty perch]

yeah?

[high wind]

my point is they only duo with streamers and very high elo players

[knotty perch]

doesn’t hurt to ask

also eu to na is not that bad so maybe you can try that out

[high wind]

I would if the lobby doesnt break every 2nd game

u cant play a full set. it's bugged

[knotty perch]

I don’t think that has to do with eu to na, that’s just the game

[high wind]

nope. it's exactly na to eu

ask in lfg comp if you don't wanna take my word for it. many people experinced it

[knotty perch]

I’m currently in asia originally eu, I’ve been playing against and with people from literally everywhere just fine

[high wind]

they broke it 2 patches ago, it's not an always thing

[knotty perch]

yeah I tried it in ranked too, it was fine for me

[high wind]

I don't know it doesnt work for me with 100% of NA players

[knotty perch]

also the IG playerbase is very limited it’s not just eu

[abstract python]

Ive played against Bobo in ranked and it was fine for me

[high wind]

2's bug

[abstract python]

This game has a good netcode aside from the random freezing

Ah

[knotty perch]

I’m in diamond 4 with IG and that’s like what? top 30?

[high wind]

whenever there is NA + EU player in the same lobby game freezes between game 1 and 2 no matter the results

[knotty perch]

is that a recent bug or are you sure it was 2 patches ago

[high wind]

I am sure it was 2 patches ago

I have NA players on my list I used to play with before this bug started

[knotty perch]

that’s weird bc I don’t get how that’s a thing

[high wind]

spaghetti code

[knotty perch]

no it’s definitely not that bad

maybe for 2v2s but I barely play that

I mean in 1v1s I’ve played against literally everyone from everywhere and worst case scenario either one of us is a bit teleporty or there’s slight input delay

some didn’t even feel a thing

including oce BTW

[high wind]

I dont play 1's myself just 2's.

so I am not familar with how 1's is coded

[shy shore]

#9 Giant atm, oof, logged on to make sure I stayed around top 10

yahoo

[cold mural]

anybody have trouble with the jack matchup? Its really rough for me

[uncut bronze]

yeah its a rough matchup

you basically have to keep him in disadvantage / neutral or you die

[primal oak]

I hate fighting this character

320+ damage but no 4 hits and you die 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥

[rich vigil]

Skill issue tbh

[primal oak]

IG is a walking hitbox, Finn is a light character

It’s a setup for them to cheese me

[rich vigil]

Iron Giant is also a walking hurtbox

https://imgur.com/a/MLVs8Vt

[primal oak]

A walking hurtbox that takes forever to kill

[rich vigil]

Even though Iron Giant can kill Finn really early just from a combination of Giant's high killpower and Finn's low weight, Giant struggles to approach Finn and is easy combo food

[primal oak]

It’s a war just trying to get back on ledge, jab has a deceptively long hitbox (not to mention decent range), nair basically gets rid of approach alltogether, aerial shoulder ram somehow finds a way to take priority so often

[abstract python]

T1Carry said Giant wins this MU and I can see it lowk

After playing it a bit more I understand

Just spam air tackle and condition them to space you out with jab

Then approach with jump nair or iad nair

If they start trying to catch that with uptilt go back to air tackling

Rinse repeat

Also u have bolts for getting caught in Finns air carry

By no means is it an easy win cuz its still Finn and ur cooked when bolts is off

But id say 55-45 or 60-40 in giant’s favor

[rich vigil]

If it's winning it's a very slight win

[abstract python]

Yeah I agree

But I can see the vision

[primal oak]

That but the Finn has a consistent input delay for whatever reason