Harley Quinn

[stray copper]

What rank are you?

Okay what’s your name then? I’ll search you up. I also didn’t ask what top you were. I asked your rank

But wait you are contradicting yourself. You just said you don’t play top tier and refused to say who you play. But yet you play multiple characters? I’m so lost rn. I feel like there’s a lie someplace

I also think it’s sus you don’t wanna give me your name

If you are good then why be afraid?

Okay then give it to me

Imma search you up on .gg

It’s very accurate atm

Then this conversation is dead. Don’t come in here just to say nothing and complain when you don’t wanna give me your stats or rank. 🤷🏾‍♂️

Reindog can 100% beat Harley. You have projectiles that kill her box and bomb. I fought some master rank Reindogs and got dog walked. Are you playing correctly?

It’s not. Why would a player climb ranked and the goal is to get to masters or a high rank and NOT play the character that will get them there? Thats FGC number 1. That’s a given. Every fighting game has that one character people climb with. That one character that is all over a high rank and high pick rate. Why you think people pick strong characters to win tournaments like evo?

Leroy when he was busted in Tekken? Won several tournaments before he got nerfed

Joker, WW, Finn, Gizmo, Iron giant , the list goes on and on from that point. Notice how I pointed out several other characters other than joker? I was giving him as an example because he’s the most talked about character among pros who’s broken rn

This argument makes no sense. If I’m climbing ranked or going to a tourney to win money. I’m CLEARLY going to pick the character that is the strongest to guarantee me free wins

I’m not. Again. Example. Joker is talked about among the community. I said pros because they have the loudest voices and they have credibility

To a lot of people it does. So since Arya is broken, Before arya got her dtilt nerfed, stats were pulled on the most highest picked character in ranked and the number of people who have this character in a certain rank. Did you know Arya was the HIGHEST picked character in ranked and HIGHEST picked character in masters? Along with joker and WW? People will 100% do whatever it takes to climb. Money doesn’t have to be involved when ego and flexing your rank to friends and peers come into play. Starlord(top 5 joker NA) or sum like that

If you believe in your mind people play who they want because they like the character to climb to a certain rank is true then man you truly don’t know the FGC

It actually does. Because these characters are very strong. Pick rates and win rates for other characters drop hard

Because why play Harley when you can play a character that’s 100% better? You have way more fun that way no?

That’s you. However that’s not the entire community

Majority of people do. Whatever it takes to climb to masters 🤷🏾‍♂️ even if that means spamming or cheesing. People will do it 🤷🏾‍♂️

Idk what side of the community you have seen but the community I have seen it’s literally meta or bust

You don’t think people care that much? Oh you would be surprised

It doesn’t have to make sense. They wanna win. They wanna flex. They wanna say they are good. They wanna see the master rank 🤷🏾‍♂️

A lot of people in the FGC are delusional 🤷🏾‍♂️

I get salt emoted and tbagged by a joker player all the time when they catch a W 🤷🏾‍♂️

Like I said

They wanna feel better about themselves and think they are good

It kinda does though because you aren’t having fun playing a character that’s clearly weaker than the other right? I been playing Harley since open beta. Through all the nerfs I still main her and play her. I just love using her. Diamond 5 top 100. That’s just me though. I’m genuinely not gonna pick a character because I wanna get to masters without thinking with my brain. That’s boring.

Definitely does especially when they are getting drowned out by meta characters. They will constantly get compared

Okay that’s you and five other people. Again not the entire community. We probably make up a good bunch but some people may not even admit they play a meta character because they wanna climb and have fun with the game even more

If joker didn’t exist she would still not be strong because again, other characters are in the game that do more than her and are better

Gl asking over thousands of people 🙌

No im saying statistically the character is not strong compared to characters who are

It’s not hard to give me your ign to look you up in .gg lmfao

You must be afraid sum

It doesn’t I just wanna see your stats

I Wanna see those receipts when you said you were top 100 with multiple characters. You got receipts to back that up?

Nah gimmie your ign

I rather .gg it’s more authentic that way 🤷🏾‍♂️

Okay so you clearly don’t wanna give me your ign for tracker which means you are either hiding something or you just aren’t who you say you are. Convo is done

I’m not but whatever helps you sleep at night I know I’m sleeping like a baby because I’m not ashamed or afraid have people look at my tracker.gg because I never claimed to be good or a pro. I also don’t flex my stats and rank unless necessary and I’m getting tired of arguing with people who come in here just to harass Harley players by saying the same repetitive things

I’m not you clearly are

You’re coming into a character channel to complain. It’s sad and cringe. Not only that, you refused to give me your ign because of an excuse. No one can link your alt with your main discord account. No one knows your main discord account at all. IGN is doflamingo but on discord I’m sora. Only way to link the two is by putting it in my description

So not only did you come in here to harrass, you showed up with nothing, said nothing, refuse to give me your ign, asking random people about what I’m saying is true and if it’s a fact that people don’t pick meta characters to climb when you’re asking a small group of people and not over a thousand people that’s in the player base, you refuse to give me your rank, you claim to be top 100 with several characters. So I can’t even get on the game to see you on the leaderboard because if you are top 100 you should be on that leaderboard. As a matter of fact let me look at the reindog leaderboard and see the 100th player

Also people you are asking could 100% be lying to you. If I’m using a meta character to climb and I know the character is meta i don’t think I’m gonna admit that. I would be embarrassed

But continue your “social experiment” I’m going to sleep and peacefully too. Get better at the game and learn how to fight Harley more and punish her more. There are way more annoying characters to fight

Blindly is nasty work because I been playing the same character for over a year. Since open beta. Cope harder. Imma wake up and look at the leaderboard and I don’t think I’ll see you. Imma take a wild guess at what your name is. What nvm I got it LMFAOOOOO no way! You did lie 😂😂😂😂😂 gn

😂

[grave cradle]

I knew it wasn’t just me
Matter of fact, every map besides trophy’s edge (maybe) needs to be reworked

You do NOT know Harley
Slide is literally one of if not the most punishable move she has
Overall, Harley’s character requires you to play like a god, you have to read to catch your opponents, and you can’t slip up in the slightest cuz the smallest thing will kill you, she’s actually a glass cannon

Damn near every player in this game does the same stuff for their character cuz that’s all they have

Just say you suck bro cuz it’s honestly a skill issue

Not even like I’m defending Harley, it’s just that we actually know what we talk about 90% of the time

If she misses she gets punished

Her slide is easily as bad, if not, worse than Batman’s actually

Harley is a character with an identity crisis the downplay is well deserved

Then that’s honestly your fault

It’s your fault because you GENUINELY were too slow

Batman slide is his dash attack and has better priority

If she goes too far that’s cuz she charges it, Batman can’t doo that with his slide
And in most scenarios Harley slide is predictable

And you can say the same about Batman cuz his also covers a good distance

You’re gonna have to go in the lab for that shi

Alr let’s talk abt more
-Nair is THE most punishable move she has, it’s high risk high reward
-Dair can be punished if you are close enough
-Side air is damn near as punishable as nair
-side special is her worst move, completely useless
I could continue if you want me to

Her end lag comes in as soon as she stops moving, just like Batman and it is still punishable

Those characters CAN punish it, I have seen it with my own eyes
Anyone can punish slide with dair, literally anyone

[eternal peak]

Plumb Im actually gonna touch u

Bro switched personas again

[grave cradle]

If she whiffs the second kick she’s getting punished

It’s not that small, maybe for bugs I can see it cuz his dair is slow but excluding him no

Sair is NOT that good of a move
It could get caught midway, but it’s somewhat tight, but it makes sense
Once the second kick is finished she’s getting punished, if you can’t punish it you’re not in position or range

The thing with bugs tho is that he has strong projectiles, and his nair is damn near dodge proof
Other than that I would agree he struggles a little bit

He isn’t known for having good close range besides nair and up air

Ik but I’m saying, if Harley needs a change it’s a buff

Harley’s projectiles are FODDER what do you mean😭🙏

She needs combo game bro

There are rare chances to use them correctly
Down special will not kill unless you are at the top, plus if anything, and I mean ANYTHING touches it it explodes or will sick to the ground
And neutral special loses to EVERY projectile, even itself

All of her combos are tight, and if the character hurtbox isn’t big enough the combos don’t work most of the time

Oh wait I think neutral special goes through safe, but outside of that it loses to everything else

Yeah he has it bad

Oh may I add, down special will still explode even if the opponent dodges it? Never happened beta

Most harley players that are bad (most of them) spam slide dash attack and recovery

Dair is a decently punishable move if in range, and even if it hits the reward is not that great
Shi does not have enough knockback or hitstun

The startup is terrible tho compared to other dash attacks
Might be one of the slowest, it’s a high risk high reward move

It’s the most consistent thing it can combo to, and depend on how it knocks you back it might be the only thing

It can’t combo to anything else besides dair (sometimes) early

Options with dair don’t open up until late percentages

When the kicks are out that’s when it’s most dangerous
Besides that It’s not crazy

Other dash attacks are supposed to be kill moves, she is the only person with a dash attack that can’t kill

Debatable

Tell me another person with a dash attack that can’t kill

The only argument I have is that’s it’s unique

[grave cradle]

Besides Jake

T&J can kill, black Adam can kill, reindog DEFINITELY can kill, gizmo can kill, but everyone else has valid points

Some can combo into it

I stand corrected

Those guys actually can kill and are good characters

I think joker can combo, I think Jake can combo (both are early tho), Ik shaggy and ww can combo into their moves

Game is unbalanced ain’t nun we can do other than riot😭

It’s not fair

Shaggy is just anime Mario bruh👄🙏

They are S tier and Velma and Jake are the worst to surface this game😭🙏

😭

But Jake has sauce if he can catch you, but pfg just wanted to make Velma lore accurate💀

[eternal peak]

this guy bro

lmaooo

[radiant quest]

bro deleted all his messages lmao

[eternal peak]

I have to check each profile now

Including yours

He could be anywhere

Any one of us

[white basalt]

No he was either banned or his account got deleted

But even deleted accounts messages stay so a ban id say

[stray copper]

I know it’s practically impossible for the mods and admins to check character channels to see if people are harassing. Thats why when people like that come in here, I block them or just try to cook them and then ignore them. But man does it get annoying to get someone coming into the chat just to harass people who play a certain character. It’s especially annoying because other characters exists that are way better and are meta. Harley hasn’t been meta for two months now she keeps getting nerfed then buffed then nerfed lol.

[eternal peak]

No ik him

He's a sneaky individual

He's not banned lolll

[limpid gale]

@fluid birch dude this is like the 3rd or 4th time we’ve seen each other in ranked within the past 2 days lmao

[stray copper]

He refused to give it to me so no unfortunately not which I still don’t understand why he so afraid. Especially if you say you are is true. He tried to lie and make up an excuse. There’s no way anyone can link your ign to your main discord unless it’s in your description

Tracker.gg My ign is Doflamingo-Kuma I’m diamond 5 with over 2,000 MMR. If you check the bottom of my MMR I’m topped 0.1% of people in my MMR or skill level. My WR is 59% trash asf because sometimes I win and sometimes I lose. Overall my stats aren’t terrible. I don’t play Rick or any other character since open beta so you might see them on there. Overall I have mid stats. Could be better but I’m not ashamed of that. I’m forever hardstuck diamond 😭

[stray copper]

😂😂😂😂 you think I’m that dumb?

You were so scared I found you (which I did) so you created an alt cause you panic? Lol you look more and more sus guy. I blocked you and you got scared.

Caught em 😂😂

“Member since August 17, 2024”is nasty work LMFAO

Think I didn’t see that?

[white basalt]

crazy bro hopped on an alt

I can, whether or not i believe you is a different story however.

cool story bro 🥱

🪤

[stray copper]

Nasty work lol

[barren notch]

harley sair

[stray copper]

Jokers jab 1

[stray copper]

Wonder Woman’s sair

Gizmo arrows

Tnj paddle

[eternal peak]

Finn everything

[river yew]

Iron giant's press buttons with your face

[white basalt]

T-... The punching glove?? The easiest to dodge, stubbiest, only good if you run smooth moves, projectile in the game....

[grave cradle]

He’s talking about the two kicks

[white basalt]

ohhhhh

[grave cradle]

Tell me why… the game takes 10 points from me as a “disconnection error” when I had FULL games

And my internet was completely fine

[upper lance]

Harley Quinn

Dash Attack

• Made hits more consistent and the multiple hits to drop less

Ground Down Attack

• Fixed an issue where Harley could cancel the second kick on-hit by taunting

Air Up Special
– Hitbox size reduced; ground version unchanged – hitbox now better matches visuals

not much for her

[stray copper]

These are fine glad dash attack got buffed. My hair kept falling out when people kept falling out of her dash attack

[river yew]

People actually think up special was "spammable."

People's idiocy never ceases to stop amazing me

[stray copper]

The up b nerf isn’t that bad just a hitbox size reduce. Luckily they buffed her dash attack so I’m okay with this. They nerfed a lot of other characters hitboxes that were an actual real problem so I’m not buggin too much. They didn’t touch her really so she’s still fine the way she is atm. Just glad charge attack for Finn got nerfed. That move was so wild

[river yew]

Facts the hsrlry nerf isn't too bad by all means. But it's exposing the people who showed how much they suck vertically in the air lol

[upper lance]

id say its more fair

cause air up special had an outrageous hitbox

[stray copper]

Agree to disagree but not a massive nerf so I’m fine with it. The dash attack buff along with being able to wave dash changes her playstyle tho

[stray copper]

I think the wave dashing will make Harley better considering that she’s already fast

[grave cradle]

just when I think the game would make me happy, the game crashes on me mid match TWICE

Off rip I see stability issues when they said they fixed it😭🙏

[stray copper]

THE WAVE DASHING FEELS PEAK

HARLEY FEELS WAY FASTER

KWIWIWUWU

[limpid dune]

Ok the new epic skin for Harley is...

I'm not even going to say it

But you all know it

[radiant quest]

guys what happens when I win the first match in ranked but I concede after that?

[sacred hamlet]

conceding is surrendering/losing

[limpid gale]

It’s as if you lost 2 games

I tried it myself after running into a laggy Black Adam I barely beat and didn’t want to rematch and I lost 19 RP

[grave cradle]

I love this patch bro, i feel like i can compete😭🙏

[waxen lichen]

Anyone here gonna try and go for Grandmaster?

[stray copper]

I can’t even get on the game it keeps crashing 😭

[grave cradle]

In 1s or 2s?

[waxen lichen]

either, I was just curious

[eternal peak]

Is what

[upper storm]

Lose Rp don’t do it 😩

[jovial nacelle]

Hi to all the Harley mains is she actually worth buying cuz i wanna get into using her and I like the beetlejuice varient skin

[sacred hamlet]

I mean if it's a big deal to wait for a free week then I'd say she's worth it but it depends on your play style.

[stark berry]

I’m a fairly new player and she’s the character I’ve enjoyed the most so far

[upper lance]

shes enjoyable but take note shes not really an easy character

[grave cradle]

If you wanna complain abt top tiers and work 2x as harder than usual, go ahead😭🙏

[sacred hamlet]

yeah what kills me is when I think something is going to be kill/confirm. the enemy somehow survives it. where other champs it is far easier when touching with those sorta moves

[slate timber]

the main thing ill tell you is she is no longer a combo character even if it seems that way to you, she is a punish character so has to read alot if thats a play style you feel like you can enjoy or adapt to go for it

[rose estuary]

Just came to say please continue being my teammates I love yall mfs 🙏🙏

[rose estuary]

Randomly paired with a harley main I hella respect yall character 👏

[stiff trellis]

ok I give up, playing Harley since beta (I'm not a big fighters game player, diamond 5).
She's so bad, have to think 10 times more than others.
Could you recommend me a character ?
I was thinking batman or WW

[waxen lichen]

Definitely WW

Heavy, easy, big hitboxes, gives armor, not very reliant on combos

If you want an easier character she's probably the highest tier one

Shaggy's also worth a shot if your main game mode is 2v2

[upper lance]

WW, shes one of the easier characters to pick up and play. The thing with batman is like harley, you have to think about the moves you use

Hes easier than harley but not by much

[grave cradle]

Gatekeeping is wild
I’m 1 point from hitting diamond 1

1 singular point

Now I fight a sweaty Morty😭🙏

[grave cradle]

And I beat him, now I’m diamond 1😤

[limpid gale]

Only one more rank to master for you then

[stray copper]

Yeah they really butchered our girl with these nerfs she’s been getting. Shes not even a combo character anymore. Literally all about reads. She has one combo. Uptilt into up b. Other than that she has nothing. You have to pretty much read 99% of the time you play. I still enjoy using her ( was a open beta player myself I’m also D5) but the more I play her in ranked the more I realize that in order to get to masters with Harley you truly just have to be crazy cracked at reading your opponent

[stray copper]

I mean since I been using her since open beta, bomb and box are easy for me to set up with. I get bomb and box kills all the time but man they really stripped her of her identity with these patches. She’s become kinda mid. Shes good yes but there are other characters who are just stronger who are worth playing

[stray copper]

The dash attack buff was a W tho. I thought the IAD or wave dashing would make her dangerous but once people get used to it, it’s nothing for her. Also she’s a character with a very high skill ceiling. So not only is she a read character now but she’s always been a high skill ceiling character since beta so most people who didn’t play her as long as we did are probably not wining most matches

Most casuals are probably playing better characters 😂

Rn shaggy is dominating like wow. The IAD and wavedashing have made him very very strong rn

[stiff trellis]

Thank you all for the answer.
@stray copper 💪 I enjoy your feedback and feel less alone haha.
I'm bad with the box, really happy when I take a kill with it, so satisfying.
but the bomb... almost the whole cast can destroy it so I don't know how you can kill with it ^^

[stray copper]

Of course! Honestly when the game was back in beta and I wanted to learn Harley, I just watched videos and practiced non stop with bomb. Practiced throwing it up, practicing throwing it down,towards my opponent, away from my opponent, etc. I was practicing nuetral with it. When people see your bomb they get afraid. Bomb and box they get highly afraid of that so use that to your advantage and just practice with it. Once you do that you will start attaching people with bomb way more consistently and also understand the matchup. Some matchups you literally just can’t use bomb at all. Just nuetral

Against taz, Rick, Morty, jack, gizmo, black Adam, bugs, Marvin these are matchups where you have to be very careful when using bomb or box

[waxen lichen]

I don't feel like she has no combos, I feel like she's got the highest skill ceiling in the game 😤
Like I feel like she has the tools to hit people 9999999 billion times if you know what you're doing but its So Hard, especially when, as literally THE most fragile character in the game, tied for lightest and tallest of the three, you are punished incredibly hard for mistakes

I'm in Masters with her and I still feel so terrible with her, hahaha

[grave cradle]

News flash I ranked down😭😭😭

[grave cradle]

See, this guy gets it
😭

[limpid gale]

Rip

[grave cradle]

News flash I got back

[grave cradle]

Now I’m master and rank 48🗣️

[slender wharf]

big!

[white basalt]

Nice in 1s or 2s?

[grave cradle]

1s

[white basalt]

Ah valid I'm a 2s merchant

[grave cradle]

But I can’t lie I was tweakin a lot from these losses

[grave cradle]

I’m finna hit master in 2s too, Alr gold

I shall make it known I’m a good Harley

[white basalt]

Ive been playing more Jack and Beetlejuice recently masters in 2s was so much work I need a break from Harley

[grave cradle]

Yeah, I was debating on what character I want to hit master, either supes, ww, or Harley cuz those my mains

Is it just me or is taz just the secret top 5 nobody knew

This guy and cursed hitboxes go together way too well

[stray copper]

Is it just me or does beetlejuice feel like he struggles a bit in nuetral?

[limpid gale]

It seems like you need to use bomb and the beetle perk to make his neutral decent, but like almost everyone, he gets the most reward from jab

But most people are running the scare perk because the jab jab scare loop is broken

Probably gonna get patched out next update tho

[stray copper]

Okay so I wasn’t the only one who felt like he has weak nuetral

[limpid gale]

(You spelled neutral right the first time btw)

But yeah

His hitboxes are really weird

[stray copper]

I know 😭 stupid phone 😭

[limpid gale]

He’s like a hybrid brawler and trap character but weaker in both

Compared to a pure brawler or pure trap character

Like he doesn’t have nearly the setup potential of Rick or T&J, but he also doesn’t have nearly the combo game of Batman or kill power of Shaggy

[stray copper]

I feel like it’s more than that though like idk it just feels like he struggles in that stage of playing. Like it’s tough to play neutral if he didn’t have that jab. Idk if that makes sense. Like all his moves have end lag. His up b you can hit him out off, it’s so slow

[limpid gale]

I do wanna say that his dair is a really good move tho

It’s way bigger than I was expecting

I feel like where he mostly shines is his slipperiness, especially with his air side special

Playing against him, he feels a lot harder to hit than most characters

Not quite as hard as hitting someone like Arya, but definitely up there

[rocky otter]

this character

[somber fractal]

How fun is this character

[stray copper]

Very

[white basalt]

Don't lie

[white basalt]

She's aight but she's not like top tiers where you can turn off your brain and get KOs, if you play Harley get ready to feel like you put in 3x the effort for the same amount of results as someone like black Adam, wonder woman, or Jason.

She'd rewarding when you do well, but suffers from lightest character in the game with one of the slowest movement speeds, so like only play her if you like torturing yourself.

[somber fractal]

Oh ok thanks

[lament cairn]

I think it also depends if you play her in 1’s or 2’s she is a lot more fun to play in 2’s in my opinion

[white basalt]

Agreed

[stray copper]

😭😭😭 listen shhhh we need more Harley players 😭

[white basalt]

We dont

I'm all we need

[stray copper]

Agreed she’s not like the meta characters that can kill you off of 1-2 interactions. Shes not like shaggy where you can just jab jab up b and your opponent dies guaranteed

[limpid gale]

Funny enough, Shaggy jab 2 just whiffs on some characters because the hitbox is awful

But it is a good confirm for sure

[stray copper]

I’m sorry but paddle needs a nerf it does everything

Tnj paddle needs some type of nerf

Every tnj I run into spams it and it feels impossible to do anything but runaway and you can’t punish him either after he does it. It scoops up, it anti airs, he can combo off it into a kill, he can walk back and forth the stage doing it. It’s a problem

[eternal peak]

Tnj needs bucket loads of nerfs like idc

I do not care about tnj mains feelings

I do not care if hes underpowered after nerfs

He

Must

Pay

They must pay

The stupid rat as well

[hot rain]

Stay mad

[eternal peak]

Dont u play stripe

Why do u care about thomas and gerald

[stray copper]

Idk about that. He’s fine the way he is. Literally the only thing is paddle. Like that move is a do everything button. It does everything. Combo, anti air, scoops up, controls nuetral because he can move with it, kills off a combo from paddle, down air into up air. Maybe mouse trap too. I think that needs a cooldown. Tired of tnj mains camping near mouse trap because it feels like forever for it to go away

Those two things and I’m good

Just tired of the paddle spam

It shouldn’t scoop up

[stray copper]

More so paddle. Mouse trap is whatever but paddle is a do everything button

[white basalt]

Idk just kill Jerry, Tom becomes a non issue.

The TnJ matchup sucks but like, once it's just the cat it becomes significantly easier.

[stray copper]

I agree Jerry is ez kill, the matchup is fine I can beat tnj no problem. It’s honestly just the paddle spamming and when tnj players see that I keep killing Jerry they rarely throw him out and even when they do it’s for a combo so they can immediately get him back. Recently I went up against a diamond 2 tnj who spent the whole game spamming paddle. I tried so hard to do something but I couldn’t. The move kept scooping me off the ground and I can’t punish him during it he just dodged. I can’t jump it anti airs me. What do I do against a tnj that just camps with paddle? I feel hopeless against that move. It does everything

It scoops me from strange angles too like I won’t even be that close and it scoops me up. I can’t attack him before it comes out I tried and the move just scoops me. I try to space it out or play nuetral by dash dancing or running away from it but he can just do it over again.

[white basalt]

Gotta read it and hit em with that Parry

Then bonk em good with a charged neutral

[stray copper]

When is the parry window? Like right before it comes out? Because they all charge it so do paddle 24/7

[white basalt]

That may require training mode, I kinda just do it based on feel, but I think just before it comes out should be good

[upper lance]

That is true one neutral attack and bam dying mouse

[somber fractal]

Why can her up special kill so early man

[untold hearth]

She needs it

I promise

👉👈

[turbid wing]

Bye bye guys ❤️

[grave cradle]

Ur still playing occasionally tho right?

[somber fractal]

I made a lebron rage quit after I killed him at 100 with up special 😭

[sacred hamlet]

How early you saying? I swear I need people need to be like 110 for me to get kill

[somber fractal]

Think around 95-100 or so

But I think it also depends on just how close the opponent is to the top blast zone

Since she can juggle or send people high up with her other moves, her up special lets her finish them off while they’re relatively close to the top of the screen

I don’t just try to land it during neutral or anything like that

[sacred hamlet]

Oh yeah close enough to the top it really can be kill in most cases. Just not against heavy characters

[somber fractal]

Yeah

[sacred hamlet]

Looking at you iron giant

[white basalt]

I use batbomb to kill iron giant

I end up knocking iron giant near the top of the map with my combos, and he's massive, so like it's not like he's dodging it.

Batbomb will take care of the job, just detonate early if he's up there before the end of the timer

[sacred hamlet]

What damage is he at for you to get that kill? Need it for my mental database

[white basalt]

Depends on height

[sacred hamlet]

Bat bomb landing is so clutch sometimes

[white basalt]

100~ maybe less depending on how high he is to the top of the map

For iron giant id say that's pretty early

[sacred hamlet]

Around 100??

[white basalt]

Iron giant is the heaviest character in the game, a lot of the ones I play against live till 160+ unless you kill confirm them

[sacred hamlet]

also what yall do in the matchup against taz?

[sacred hamlet]

also black adam is the bane of my existence in 2s

[upper lance]

try to use glove more often

[sacred hamlet]

so glove being the only real answer to taz?

[stray copper]

This mu requires more nuetral. Try not to use box and bomb so much or at least try not to rely on it so much because a good taz player will just eat bomb or box and that’s free anvil. You don’t want that. Rely more on your nuetral. I would say use glove more often like @upper lance said but I’ve had really good taz players time that move correctly and eat that projectile too and get anvil. Even if you manage to stick bomb to him he can still eat it.

Watch out for tornado because it can kill Harley fairly early if you aren’t careful because of how light she is. What I do is play a little aggressive. Avoid him from trying to do spin the entire game (which they will do). I find it easier on me if I rush him

[stray copper]

I’m not saying to never do box or bomb but you should limit the amount you do it or at least make it less predictable

[stray copper]

When I fight taz very rarely do I try to box or bomb. In my head it’s not worth the trade off or worth the risk, especially if that taz player is camping or waiting for you to pull out bomb or box so he can eat it. He’s at a disadvantage if he can’t get anvil out of your projectiles because most taz players that know the Harley Mu are looking for you to do a projectile so they can get anvil

[stray copper]

Don’t let them bait you out to throw a projectile by them camping. Just rush in or play aggressive. Taz is also light and can die early if you play correctly

Get your spacing down if possible. Majority of taz players will spin to win. You can punish that spin if you time it correctly he can’t immediately dodge

On startup you can hit him. You can hit him on his spin startup like before he does it. You can hit him out of it too like when he’s doing it

It’s a tight frame but before he spins he will get ready to. That small frame where he’s getting ready to spin, you can hit him. It’s very possible. It’s a tight frame though, you have to kind of predict when he’s gonna spin

Once you know these things it’s way easier for you to beat him. I rather fight taz than WW. Her side b (Side special) completely dominates neutral and she can ignore everything and it doesn’t kill her meter so she can do it all game

[sacred hamlet]

Yeah thats fair. My other issue is that I play a ton of 2s and Taz is harder to avoid because of the pressure from his partner. Definitely need any advice on play against him though.

[white basalt]

I love it when I get into a match and Harley says "it's Harley time", then proceeds to Harley all over the place

[wide frigate]

What does Harley do vs Finn? mu feels completely impossible, Finn can just camp and punish me when I try to approach because his hitboxes are bigger and attacks faster

[sacred hamlet]

I beat him with with sair , down attacks, and jab combos

[white storm]

What are some nerfs/buffs/reworks u want from Harley, I want up special to be way smaller but buff its startup for different juggle set ups besides heres big move deal with it

[stray copper]

Up special is already small they already nerfed the hitbox on it

[white storm]

It still feels nice, I just want it to be more of a combo tool and not a juggle/area denial tool

[stray copper]

I’m confused. It is a juggle tool you can combo uptilt into up b. It’s not an area denial especially after the nerf. I have people who dodge the up b at like 130 percent when they are upper blast zone. A Harley has to read you to land the second up b

[unkempt oxide]

harleys getting boring ash tbh 😭

[white storm]

I feel that, I've been throwing out random side B's to feel something

[white storm]

What are some Morty tips, I'm struggling to get in on mud wall and I can't camp ledge like i like to do

Also does anybody have any Morty vs Harley gameplay, I can't find any

[visual sparrow]

Cant wait for a nerf

This character should be gutted

No actual whiff lag

[severe fossil]

“No whiff lag”
other higher tier characters doing the same with more profit during it

[visual sparrow]

Lil bro she is a hig tier character

And idc abt these other characters

Nerf them too

[severe fossil]

She’s like B tier at best. If a Harley has you struggling, they’re either just good a player or you suck at the game.

[visual sparrow]

B tier 😭

[severe fossil]

Explain her upsides that aren’t universal then like dodge to whiff cancel.

[visual sparrow]

Side air, lots of multihit moves, great neutral game, lots of kill potential

Plus if u check a tournament result, u are at least seeing 1 harley on the top 8s

Wich is weird cuz she is """"B tier"""""

[severe fossil]

“1 Harley”, amazing that you factor that for her standing by a good player, not a character carried one or else she would’ve won it, not be a runner up.

Side air: It’s her combo tool.

Multihit: Almost like she’s a combo character, not a power hitter.

Neutral game: You mean dash attack or slide tackle? (Both: just jump if it isn’t part of a combo, they both have telegraphs)

“Kill Potential”: Hahahahahahaha! You mean her needing to setup with a timed bomb (that can’t be held anymore btw) or else needing to time her perk explosion for the needed air time?

Her up b has awful kill power by itself if you DI unless the blast zones are small. Try again pal.

[visual sparrow]

Insane downplay Lil bro!

I like it

Sadly she is getting nerfed anyways 😰

[severe fossil]

No, you just plain suck at the game if you’re complaining about those.

[visual sparrow]

Oh so u can tell that to void too ok?

Cuz he also thinks Harley is top tier

[severe fossil]

Don’t know who void is, but you continue thinking that.

[visual sparrow]

He is the best MVS player rn even won evo

[severe fossil]

And stop pinging me constantly, that ish is annoying. Just respond.

[visual sparrow]

Oh wait Harley is getting nerfed who is going to carry u now

Also

Dont think Harley is that much of a problem compared to other characters

But if these other characters get nerfed

And Harley doesnt

U gonna see everyone complaning abt her

[severe fossil]

Pretty sure Harley can’t kill you sub-50 while she often dies before even hitting 40 half the time even with DI.

Exception to ladder combos that kill everyone except the heaviest in the roster.

And oh no, Harley getting complained about as though she hasn’t since Beta? Say it ain’t so.

[tiny socket]

This idiot was calling Jason's side special op

[visual sparrow]

I never said that

Plus can u not call me a idiot

If u getting this mad over a game

Idk man thats on u

Cuz i am only saying my opinion

[visual sparrow]

I said that if they gonna buff Jason next season wich i hope so i fear that his side special killing early as it does and having stronger tools would make him kinda of unbalanced, so thats why i said it could maybe get a small knockback nerf

But nothing insane

Just make it kill at 80 instead of 70

[tiny socket]

I'm being hyperbolic

[white basalt]

Can't wait to see the look on this guy's face when they don't nerf Harley, seeing as she's the most balanced she's ever been.

[grave cradle]

Ur “opinion”…
Is straight complaints cuz you can’t hang with a good player bruv😭🙏

[white basalt]

Imagine getting so washed by someone you blame the entire character

This guy must have been violated bad

Like omega cooked

[grave cradle]

I would understand if it was a top 5, but Harley in this game is a clown, just like her character

[visual sparrow]

Dont act like Harley doesnt have broken stuff

She is not the most broken character ever

But she has broken stuff

[stray copper]

Joker quietly laughs in the corner r

[visual sparrow]

Joker has even more broken stuff!

[grave cradle]

Name what you call “broken”

[visual sparrow]

Sair

That alone is a problem

[grave cradle]

How
Only has one or two reliable follow-ups and has a good amount of whiff recovery

[visual sparrow]

Yeah buddy

Insane downplay

[grave cradle]

I have u a good reason and now it’s downplay

I’m not saying it sucks but it’s not broken

[stray copper]

Dirt. Up air. Dirt. Sair. Dirt. Down air. Dirt. grenades you can get rid of Harley projectiles with your bombs. Both her bomb and box you can get rid of them. How are you losing that matchup? You shouldn’t be as Morty you have an advantage

[stray copper]

Dirt

[visual sparrow]

Lil bro talking abt character B while talking abt character A doesnt make sense

We talking abt Harley not Morty

[stray copper]

You make no sense

[stray copper]

Okay I’m talking about Morty

[visual sparrow]

Plus im not even playing Morty for the past 3 weeks

[visual sparrow]

I have been playing Beetlejuice

[visual sparrow]

Ok

[stray copper]

Lil bro complaining about a mu he can easily win

[visual sparrow]

But it doesnt change the fact Harley still has broken stuff

[stray copper]

Okay then play her

[stray copper]

Fight me

[visual sparrow]

What even are ur arguments 😭😭🙏😭😭

[stray copper]

If she’s so broken then she should be easy to pick up right? You should win easily

[stray copper]

Therefore 1 v 1 me

[visual sparrow]

We both playing Harley?

[stray copper]

And spam sair

[visual sparrow]

Whats that logic

[stray copper]

Yeah and spam sair

[stray copper]

You said she was broken if so then play her

[visual sparrow]

Shaggy is not broken cuz u csnt win agaisnt number 1 Shaggy

[stray copper]

????

It’s simple 1 v 1 yes or no

[visual sparrow]

Not even you think ur math makes sense 😂

[visual sparrow]

Im not even home u gotta wait

[stray copper]

Okay lol

[visual sparrow]

So like i play Morty and u play Harley

[stray copper]

No you play Harley and spam sair since it’s so broken

[visual sparrow]

Ok so after that we both play Morty and u spam dirt

What do u think?

[stray copper]

Dirt into up air

[stray copper]

Won’t prove anything but 🤷🏾‍♂️. See you when we 1 v 1. Make sure you pick Harley and I will pick Harley and make sure you sair me mix up your gameplay. But mainly spam sair. You will see how little impact it has

[grave cradle]

Just reminded me bro plays Morty

[grave cradle]

Good≠broken

[stray copper]

It’s cool imma 1 v 1 him Harley mirror and he will spam sair 🙏

[grave cradle]

Run away for most of the game with nades, that’s Alr the base of Morty
Nlight side special sair up air

Rinse repeat for 7 minutes straight

[sacred hamlet]

thats a silly take. jake had a broken double bite attack that would be kill confirm super early but the character was is still not good

[visual sparrow]

Harley still top tier bud

A Harley main just won a tournament last day

I also have plenty of tournament results with Harleys placing above the top 8s

[sacred hamlet]

I never said she wasnt? what are you talking about guy

[visual sparrow]

you were implying that Harley isn't broken

[sacred hamlet]

as someone else said earlier responding to you good =/ broken

thats the whole point. then you make a stupid response saying shes top tier. like yeah duh

[visual sparrow]

I mean

She is

[sacred hamlet]

yeah but nobody was arguing against that so why you trying to act like we are arguing something we agree on?

[visual sparrow]

Someone was saying she is B tier at best

Wich is dumb

[sacred hamlet]

argue with them then. whats that gotta do with me?

[visual sparrow]

Why respond me on first place

[sacred hamlet]

such a stupid response just to double down for no reason. it was established earlier scroll up guy

just move on instead of weirdly doubling down against the guy you supposedly werent trying to argue with

[visual sparrow]

We are getting nowhere with this lets just forget it

[sacred hamlet]

your own fault for not understanding my original resposne

[stray copper]

@visual sparrow I got no dm or tag. Where’s my 1 v 1? Hope you aren’t ducking me

[white basalt]

Sair is a problem?

Just parry it lol

anyways whos ready for S3?

[stray copper]

He hasn’t hit me up

[white basalt]

hes a loser fr

even if you beat him he'll just say he doesnt play harley

or if he plays his main, he'll say it doesnt count cause harley is OP

hes not worth your effort.

most of what this guy is complaining about is mega skill issue anyways, none of it is anything actually broken, like 0-D loops, frame traps, or extremely low death combos.

[stray copper]

Oh wtf lol

[white basalt]

like if youre gonna be upset about broken balance, actually pick something thats broken, instead of a character you lose too cause you refuse to learn spacing/MU knowledge

I wish people would stick to judging the balance of characters they play, bro does not play harley, that should tell you enough

Im not gonna sit here and break apart a character i dont play, and call them broken, when ive never even fw the character in the first place

it just makes you look stupid.

[stray copper]

^^^^^

[grave cradle]

Harley is mid A at best bro
Put Harley with actual top tiers and you will see

[grave cradle]

🤝

[limpid dune]

Idk man many good players have been pushing the harley meta and I actually see her as top 6, just like Bugs she was just underrated but now you see Harley winning tournaments

[white basalt]

where do you see these figures fr?

[limpid dune]

She sucks for 2's tho
But in 1's she's pretty damn good

[limpid dune]

Wdym

[white basalt]

I also feel like its the opposite, i thrive more in 2s, in 1s against most bruisers and tanks shes lightwork

[white basalt]

where do you see her winning tournaments? like where do you get that info from, id like to see it also

Harleys best match ups are usually mages and other assassins

[limpid dune]

Motz, a really respected Harley Queen player just won frostverse against many good players with top tier chars like ww, joker and shaggy

And girph won TPTA #5 against anthos

First one was 2 days ago, the second one was 5 days ago

[white basalt]

I mean frostverse has been going on how long now, im p sure ive seen WW and arya up in top 5 at least 2x as much as harley

Winning a tournament doesnt make the character broken, a lot of that comes from motz skill as a player as well, to chalk that up to the character is a bit disingenious imo

[limpid dune]

I'm not saying she's Broken tho, she's just better than most people say, a lot of Harley player say she's pretty low but results on tournament say she's more than viable

She's hard to play in some matchups but she has good tools to fight against top tiers

[white basalt]

I mean no one here is arguing shes low tier

bro said she was middle of A

[limpid dune]

Same case with Bugs, he was just underrated but he's crazy tho

[white basalt]

thats pretty generous imo

Shes above most of the roster but to call her broken is a bit cope, when characters like Arya, Joker, WW, Etc exist and get value.

[limpid dune]

I'm not saying she's Broken tho, just a good character but I don't think she's low/mid A tier tbh

[white basalt]

Sept 5th Frostyverse she wasnt even in the top 7

she wasnt in any of the duo tournament top 7s either

even aug 27th she was in 3rd and 6th but still below shaggy and WW

Id say middle of A is fair for harley, but to each their own

[grave cradle]

If it’s motz, and I’m pretty sure it is, it’s cuz it’s motz😭🙏

But most top Harley players are actually good at the game

Cuz Harley has to work so hard to catch people you’d think you’re working a 9-5

And top tiers can do what she does better and easier

That’s why I say she’s mid A

She’s hit or miss for the most part

[visual sparrow]

I have seen it and she won tournaments lol

[white basalt]

Harley quinn didnt win the tournament

motz did

[visual sparrow]

There still Harleys placing on the top 8s outside of Motz

[white basalt]

Girphquke and Aeris

Both also really solid players

none of them are relying on harley to carry them to that point

Theyre all really skilled players idk what point youre making

[visual sparrow]

Ok let me use ur logic

Fatpac is a good player

And he uses Shaggy

[visual sparrow]

Shiro is a good player

And he uses Joker

[white basalt]

good for him

thats not what we're talking about tho

[visual sparrow]

So Shaggy aint really that strong

[white basalt]

lets stay on task 👏

[visual sparrow]

Neither Joker

Its only people that play him that are super smart and stuff

[white basalt]

but by your logic anyone who wins a tournament is proof that the character is broken is pretty silly ngl

its not so black and white

winning by abusing some random loop or scummy combo, fair enough,

[visual sparrow]

Its that the character is viable at top level

[white basalt]

but i watched those matches and they preform well

[visual sparrow]

That Harley is at the same level of the top tiers

[white basalt]

thats a measure of skill not the characters place in the meta

not everyone is preforming on that level

not everyone is motz

[visual sparrow]

Harley still top tier

[white basalt]

be so fr rn

youre actually washed

[visual sparrow]

Uh

[white basalt]

u dont agree so im wrong ahh

[visual sparrow]

Pretty much 😝

[white basalt]

GET OUT 🗣️🔥

[upper lance]

i may not be be one of the top Harleys (Rank #72), I can see what you mean. At best yeah Harley can be A tier, Top 10 even. But compared to other top tiers, Harley has several moves where its high risk high reward

[upper lance]

Shes not broken but shes still really good

[grave cradle]

IMO, she’s hit or miss

[white basalt]

^

shes in the best place shes been since the beta

[river yew]

Anybody who thinks harley still needs nerfs is just hard coping

[grave cradle]

Idk to be honest
Beta Harley i will agree was broken throughout the entire beta, but this one, I feel like she loses to any character with a stupid hitbox

Could just be me

Might just be that she partially doesn’t fit in the way this game was built

[unkempt oxide]

Harley is NOT in the same place as beta

[sacred hamlet]

this is so true. actually what kills me is when I play as jake. I gotta work those 24 hour shifts

[grave cradle]

If they make the game faster, and fix this stupid kill early meta, this game would be so much easier to bear with

[solar crown]

I agree

[stray copper]

I never understand the human brain of a multiversus player. Still complaining about Harley when all her combos got nerfed. Joker still can do one jab into a 40% combo. Wonder Woman is a tank but can keep with Harley in speed or dare I say maybe even faster than her and ignores nuetral with shield. Iron giant has rage mode. Shaggy has jab jab into up b. If I’m climbing to masters I rather pick joker than Harley. I’ll have a way easier time

What’s even worse is that this guy is a Morty player. A character whose projectiles destroy Harley projectiles. Then you can just runaway and play catch me if you can the entire game while trying to fish for dirt into up air for a guaranteed kill while throwing bombs

If you play Morty you should NOT be complaining about Harley. Your character has enough tools to counter her. You just need the skills to do it @visual sparrow

[visual sparrow]

What did i do now

I was complaning abt Harley bcs i lost against her as Beetlejuice

[visual sparrow]

Not as Morty

[stray copper]

You burned the kitchen down with this statement

[visual sparrow]

I am using an example of how ur logic doesnt work

[stray copper]

Beetlejuice can destroy her projectiles with his bug tho

[visual sparrow]

Harley is 10 times better than Beetlejuice

Lets not argue abt that

[stray copper]

So then play that matchup better. Joker and Wonder Woman are 10x better than Harley yet I still find ways to win

[visual sparrow]

They are not that different

[stray copper]

Not the easiest thing in the world but still not impossible

[visual sparrow]

Beetlejuice is really bad

[stray copper]

Then stick to Morty

[visual sparrow]

Harley is good

[stray copper]

So is Morty go back to your main

[stray copper]

??????

[visual sparrow]

Cant i try other characters

[stray copper]

What rank are you?

[visual sparrow]

Harley and Joker are not that different, Harley is top tier bcs her kit is really good and Joker is top tier cuz hes broken

[stray copper]

LMFAO

[visual sparrow]

Masters 1 Morty

[visual sparrow]

I dont have anything to grind for on Morty

Thats why i am playing Beetlejuice

[stray copper]

How are you a masters player complaining and coping this hard? I don’t believe you

[visual sparrow]

Search up Casarottifer on Multiversus and find out urself

[stray copper]

So Harley can do 40% true combo and kill off of one jab? I wish I could see that. What a dream. I wish my character can do something that amazing and not get nerfed for 3 months

[visual sparrow]

Didnt u read it right, i said Harley is just really good thats why she is top tier, Joker is top tier cuz his stuff are broken

[stray copper]

I don’t believe people until I play them 🤷🏾‍♂️ I don’t believe you. There’s no way you’re masters 1 and you are complaining about a character. Unless you’re one of those Morty players that climbed his way to masters by running away, camping and spamming dirt. I think that’s what you did to get to masters

[visual sparrow]

Buddy what did i do to you u just tagged me and started complaning

I didnt even do anything

[stray copper]

Top tier in what sense? Gsm void made a tier list and put her bottom of the barrel A. Many other characters who are better above her

[visual sparrow]

Tournament results would help u to find out why (;

[stray copper]

And you just jumped into a multiversus discord, came to the Harley channel and came in here to randomly complain about a character. Tomatoe tomatoes

[stray copper]

I don’t believe you. No masters player would complain about a character like Harley. At masters you should know your fundamentals and understand how the game fully works

Especially masters 1

[visual sparrow]

I understand this game well and believe Harley is a low S/hig A tier character

[stray copper]

Embarrassing to be masters 1 and complain about Harley 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that’s a fat L

[stray copper]

Okay so where’s Morty?

[visual sparrow]

Mid A tier

Not really a viable tournament character

But still pretty good

[stray copper]

Niether is Harley

[visual sparrow]

Harley is viable dont lie

[stray copper]

By the people who are playing her 😂

Girth is not a human being

[visual sparrow]

Whats that logic

https://x.com/TVOEsports/status/1835370064113205404

[stray copper]

The people are carrying Harley

[visual sparrow]

https://x.com/FrostEsports/status/1835472728708579679

[stray copper]

Motz is not human. He’s carrying that character. He’s an extremely good player. Next

[visual sparrow]

https://x.com/cracked_media/status/1835145654051479615

https://x.com/frostesports/status/1834428236266152213

[stray copper]

You’re showing mw two players who are crazy cracked at Harley to be placing at tourneys

*me

[visual sparrow]

https://x.com/cracked_media/status/1832973369429692531

[stray copper]

All you’re showing me is motz and girth

Has 0 purpose to your statement

[visual sparrow]

Still viable tournament character

[stray copper]

No. The people playing her are carrying her making her viable

[visual sparrow]

Buddy i on a server with Motz and he agrees Harley is viable

He even says she is hig A tier

[stray copper]

Motz often times says there are better characters to play and wants a Harley buff. Girth himself said he wants a slide buff.

????????

[visual sparrow]

Buffing Harley is insane

[stray copper]

Okay what server?

[visual sparrow]

They should not do that

[visual sparrow]

Multiversus Competitive

[stray copper]

That’s what your two top Harley players are saying 🤷🏾‍♂️. Oh okay cool

[white basalt]

Why are you arguing with this waste of space? Lol this guy's a clown fr.

Don't waste your breath trying to convince someone who knows they're wrong.

Using tourney results as a characters viability in the meta is just stupid, normal/casual players are not playing at the same level as tournament players like motz and girph. As much as people wanna pretend like they're on that level, those guys have put in a lot of time and effort to be where they are. To chalk that up to Harley being top tier would be really ignorant, which that guy is.

[limpid dune]

Man... I don't want to be rude but rank rn it's a joke, ANYONE can be a master at this point, if someone doesn't get it that's on the player cuz it's easy af to climb

Also, iirc Harley has a ToD (It's easier to do at 20% tho) with his dash attack and motz showed it, void tier list is insane tbh, saying Tom was B tier when he had the 0-70% and saying taz is way better than tom, bugs and black adam when they are easily top 6

I'm not saying harley is broken but you said some things that are a little bit wrong

[white basalt]

Guys they mentioned me in the stream today!!!

Random cosmetic button/fighter cosmetic loadouts are coming soon :3

[visual sparrow]

Too much yapping 🤒🤕

[white basalt]

Sorry i know you cant read let me break it down for you

You r dense

[visual sparrow]

Also when i say viable i mean tournament viable

Every character is viable at casual level

[white basalt]

too much yapping ngl

[visual sparrow]

U acting like that man didnt just tag me out of nowhere and started crying abt how Harley is bad and Morty should be nerfed

[white basalt]

ping me saying anything about morty

ill wait

[visual sparrow]

@white basalt buff Morty

[white basalt]

yk what i meant, i didnt say anything like that ngl.

just calling out your bad take on tournament rankings meaning anything about a characters place in the meta

🙏 brobro really cant read fr

All that yapping just to be wrong

[visual sparrow]

Idk man having a Wonder Woman on every 2v2 tourney team really says smth

[white basalt]

having the ability to give your teammate armor is just a no brainer in tournament setting tho

[visual sparrow]

At least we both agree WW needs a nerf

[white basalt]

and not what we're talking about

lets stay on task 👏

[river yew]

Real problem is
WHERE IS OUR DR HARLEEN SKIN

[white basalt]

My glorious queen harleen quinzell

[sacred hamlet]

Absolutely not!

[stray copper]

@visual sparrow Harley got nerfed. Big nerfs too. Come 1 v 1 me now. You wanted the nerfs. They came. Come 1 v 1

[visual sparrow]

And Morty got

0 nerfs

🙄🙏

Sorry bud

Guess i won this time

[stray copper]

He got all buffs so come 1 v 1 me it shouldn’t be an issue now. Hammer got nerfed. She has no more combos I can’t up tilt into up b anymore. Nair into sair is gone. Harley is a complete shell of a character

[stray copper]

Won what? Morty got nothing but buffs

[visual sparrow]

She still god

Good*

[stray copper]

Blocked

Actually

[visual sparrow]

Uhh

How we doing the 1v1

[stray copper]

Idc you’re blocked now

Definitely trolling and rage baiting atp

[visual sparrow]

Noo 🥺🥺🥺

[visual sparrow]

Buddy u the one tagging me

[stray copper]

🙄

[river yew]

Nerfing Harleys slowest move is dumb

Nerfing a bat that literally spins so it doesn't hit behind her is also dumb. It spins 😭😭😭

[stray copper]

That’s not all they did. They nerfed up tilt into up b. They nerfed hammer into sair. She has nothing now. They nerfed box and bomb

[slender wharf]

ight chill lmao

[river yew]

These nots are talking about imrpoving characters combo game but they gutted the actual characters who combo'd from the beginning

Kinda dumb.

[stray copper]

I’m crashing out 💫🥴 Wonder Woman untouched

[river yew]

Like nobody wants to see banana guard or spammy smith attempt their whack combosbwhen they already kill so simply

[slender wharf]

effectively, utilt cant be used to poke, nair sair cant route

[stray copper]

Bout to learn power puff girls tmmw

[slender wharf]

good idea, that's an old harley typa design

if you want fast route character you play ppg now

[stray copper]

That air dash attack go wild

[stray copper]

Been playing Harley since open beta I never dropped her once I will always be a Harley main. But holy. Idek anymore. WW untouched is nasty

[stray copper]

I can’t have fun with Harley anymore? 😭 PPGs here I come

[grave cradle]

Miss the loops man😢

Every day I play as Harley, I just think abt the beautiful loops😭🙏

[white basalt]

These nerfs arent even that serious

im not pressed

[white basalt]

nair was never meant to sair route anyways, these nerfs are minimal.

[slender wharf]

not at high level :)

this changes the gizmo and arya matchups significantly, and uptilt was our main poke

it's our fastest ground button still

is she probably still fine, yes. but are these nerfs. yes.

it is more the fact that the a tier is getting nerfed and the s tier is chilling

[white basalt]

im not pressed, ill still win 🥱

[slender wharf]

i will too

its just annoying lol

[white basalt]

now when i clap S tiers they cant say anything about it

itll be a case of get better

[upper lance]

I dont think they nerfed up tilt to up b

Cause the frame increase on applies on whiff

[waxen lichen]

I legit thought the confetti bug they just nerfed was completely intentional

I was like wow its so strong that teammates give each other stacks

[white basalt]

I knew that "nerf" was coming eventually it was a clear bug

Its been like that since beta

im suprised it took so long

its more like a fix

[upper lance]

Overall I’ll have to wait and get a feel of harley and the new movement changes to give thoughts

But thats a weird reasoning for delaying charged up attack startup

[smoky portal]

i just need the doctor harley skin to come out man

[upper lance]

Harleen will probably come out eventually

[waxen lichen]

The apple tease was actually a subtle nod to "an apple a day gives the doctor away," hinting that dr harleen quinzel is never coming and they only put her in the Joker trailer to torture us

[sacred hamlet]

finally no longer a plat stuck harley and hit diamond

took 5 years and 3 camels

[upper lance]

Nice one man

[white basalt]

👏

[slow prairie]

@tough orbit ok it isnt air dash attack its air side special 🤣

the one they tackle the opp right

[grave cradle]

So what I’m seeing is hit and run got buffed

[waxen lichen]

I was fully prepared to drop her for PPG but ladies.....they're just not as fun as Harley...here I come crawling back...

[violet basin]

Harleen skin when

[grave cradle]

Thing is, Harley is so buns now😭🙏

[white basalt]

She's fine

The upair nerf is a bit annoying

But literally everything else was on wiff nerfs

This won't cripple her place in the meta if you don't let it

But PPG is in fact more fun

At least for me

[sacred hamlet]

yeah this drove me crazy about harley. I had so many whiffs while so many have like 0 recovery

[visual sparrow]

Good

[river yew]

Not good

Meanwhile characters miss and just make up for it by mashing other moves after

[grave cradle]

Nah bro she’s got nerfed and power crept, there’s matchups I feel like are impossible to beat
It’s like looking at an unstoppable cutscene

[white basalt]

Just win

Or die trying

[grave cradle]

😭🙏

[sacred hamlet]

hows the black adam or taz match up? I struggled hard with those

[grave cradle]

surprisingly I haven’t ran into either

[grave cradle]

The uplight nerf is truly aggravating
But that’s not it, literally almost her entire moveset can be punished

[sacred hamlet]

I never play 1s but I hopped on it earlier with a different character than harley and it just felt like everyone had some crazy combo. Then I thought about how harley basically has no real combos in comparison

[severe fossil]

Amazing how the premier combo archetype character has no combos, but the bruisers and mages who aren’t made for that can do it so much better than her huh?

Btw, I’m assuming that Jack trash just does assuming side strong or special hold spam because it’s easy with a lot of priority?

Haven’t played in a couple months.

[radiant quest]

havent played in a while how is harley feeling?

[river yew]

They gutted her pretty bad

While slowly murdering her they made characters better who didnt need it at all.

She needed to work harder then alot of the cast befrore but this season around its an ABSURD amount of work

If i wanted to struggle against broken characters as my fav id go back to laying lucas in smash ultimate.

[waxen lichen]

Same as always imo
Hard to play because she's light as all get out and needs to be a combo fiend to do well at a high level, but when you're in the zone with her she feels So Freaking Good

[radiant quest]

aww man

[sacred hamlet]

She feels b tier. Definitely down from a tier last season. I do think most of that stems from the overhaul to movement and the buffs other characters didn't deserve.

As others mentioned. She has to work harder even now more than before. Which is something. Lots of other characters do get unearned kills. Also she dies too early too often against many characters. Just feels bad

[radiant quest]

I would say before this she was in a good state to play with and against no?

[sterile grotto]

She was more viable, but still somewhat difficult to climb the ranks. Easy to ring out early, especially depending on the map, but nowhere near as easy now.
Still lover her tho god bless, one of these days we'll get some actual killpower added to balance her lightness out 🥲

[upper lance]

what if they brought back pre mid season 1 up air

no lag just up air up air up special

[severe fossil]

That’s funny, I said this the other day and got told that I was wild for calling her B tier with how many nerfs she’s sustained, including to how she’s meant to be played.

[grave cradle]

I’m saying it rn, she is definitely B

[sacred hamlet]

finally got around to playing some more higher tier with harley and her dying as early as gizmo but having less kill potential is brutal. just feels like so many people are getting such unearned kills off of 2 combos on me and I have to 4-5 piece them in hopes of getting a hammer/up special kill that is not even guaranteed

also PPG is way tankier as an assassin and just does what harley does but better to an extent

[grave cradle]

I got one shotted by Morty’s snake shot

[visual sparrow]

Ohh no you cant use moves and whiff it cuz now u can be punished????!!!!! Oh my god F tier

[river yew]

Seems you just yap and not listen to the actual sentences or wording prior. But aye not like harley can do what morty does and just spam mashing around d with there head cut off til they get a mud wall combo

[visual sparrow]

Thats like Mortys entire thing

Mud wall into up air

And i dont really think Harley needs to work that hard as you say she does

[severe fossil]

Play her and say it then.

[river yew]

Definetly does. Smith,BG,WW,batman. All having their hands held in neutral now

[sacred hamlet]

You should play her and find out for yourself. She really does have to work harder for her kills than most characters. Even harder now in this season. Last season it was fine

[visual sparrow]

Brother have u ever played an character outside of S-A tier

[river yew]

There's a difference between playing a mid tier character and gutting a character for being decent yet buffing everybody else's low iq tools etc.
And this is coming from someone who gained mid tier every smash

[visual sparrow]

She is not gutted

[river yew]

If patch by patch your hitting everything that makes that character who they are. It's definetly gutting.

[sacred hamlet]

just say what you mean to say instead of this nonsense

[visual sparrow]

Cuz there is a lot of characters even A tier ones that need away more work than Harley

To play

[severe fossil]

Name them.

[limpid dune]

Reindog, Jake, Beetlejuice etc

Just a few examples and I think there's more

[severe fossil]

Jake is A tier now?

[visual sparrow]

I said even A tiers

[severe fossil]

Also, I don’t see them working as hard as Harley does. Jake has kill power, Quinn doesn’t.

[limpid dune]

Oh okay okay

Tbh that's hard there's characters that people consider A tier and some don't

Like Rick

[severe fossil]

Rick takes setup on a different tier, but he’s also a mage, so.

Morty should just be reclassified as a bruiser. Plays nothing like a mage.

[visual sparrow]

He is hybrid

Basically

[limpid dune]

Like I can say Jake is A tier cuz the only characters that deserve a place below that tier is BG or Beetlejuice

[river yew]

Jake has a very simple playstyle he gets away with imo. You don't have to think too much. Reindog? No he has an easy bake combo game onto of good stage control actual stage control. Which they took away from harley. Beetlejuice. I can maybe agree with

[limpid dune]

Almost every character is viable rn, no joke but I feel like most of the cast is easily A tier

[severe fossil]

Meanwhile Harley getting nerfed further and further because people suck at fighting her while the mains are forced to improvise for every shortcoming.

But, who works as hard as she does or harder for results though while being A or S tier realistically?

She has to use her entire kit to get something remotely called “progress” unless the other player is a special kind of bad.

[visual sparrow]

She was busted

Not like top 3

But she was busted

Dont lie to urself

She needed those nerfs

[limpid dune]

I mean in an optimal way a lot of characters use almost all of their kit like Rick Velma or Jason

But that's in some cases, not all characters have all of their kit fully usable since some attack straight up sucks

Like the sleepbag of Jason

[visual sparrow]

Mid skill, she aint that hard but aint Shaggy level

[limpid dune]

Ignoring that move you need to use all of his kit to win, maybe you can ignore jab 3 in the way

[grave cradle]

And how many people in this game can do the most outlandish shi and not be punished, and on top of that her kill moves are already punishable

[limpid dune]

Tbh crying about Harley is straight up being bad at the game (if your character has a good matchup against her)
But saying she's hard and the least rewarding character is straight up a lie

She's not that hard and she's not that bad, simply that

[grave cradle]

List characters that are less rewarding

[limpid dune]

Beetlejuice, Jake and you can add BG to that

Play beetlejuice and every other character is going to feel like heaven

[severe fossil]

She’s “hard” in that her match ups are detrimental either due to kit nerfs, attack properties/priorities, or plain because she’s so light that she can consistently die at zero from a fully charged heavy on some characters (like Boy Scout as an infamous example).

[grave cradle]

I wouldn’t say Jake, with him it depends on what you do, and the same can be said for banana guard

[severe fossil]

I see people playing Reindog cheesy as all get out in 2s.

[limpid dune]

We can say the same with Harley ngl, I don't really think we are not going to see Harley doing a top 8 on tournaments

[severe fossil]

Besides, he has kill potential and stupid zoning options

[grave cradle]

The thing with Harley is that she genuinely has to be inside your brain just to fight you

[grave cradle]

☝️

Rick, I guess you can argue abt him, I don’t really see him enough for him to be scaled

[limpid dune]

Idk man I really don't understand how good you all think Harley is, I still see her top 15 and being better than most of the characters but I feel like you all think Beetlejuice and Harley has the same kill power and combos

I'm a Harley believer 💯

[severe fossil]

Harley is the only combo heavy character in the game. Everyone else has “combos”, but not like a pseudo fighting game like she does.

[grave cradle]

✊

[grave cradle]

Thing is tho, her combos aren’t really that great compared to most people

[severe fossil]

Yeah, because it’s all damage rack up. The problem is that they keep nerfing her kill options or they just aren’t good in the first place.

The only heavy kill power she has now that’s reliable (on hit) is her bat bomb, but that requires attaching it to them after the nerf to make it tick down instantly.

[grave cradle]

Is that not rewarding?

Her dash attack has slow startup compared to others, and it’s inconsistent

[severe fossil]

Up special isn’t confirmed unless they’re stupidly high or have bad DI.

Hammer isn’t confirmed, even on nair sweet spot (I’ve had mugs survive it at 180% multiple times.)

Her up smash needs to be charged to be a kill option, but they keep nerfing the knockback on that too. >_>

[grave cradle]

Yeah, but the combos overall don’t get far

[severe fossil]

I see people use Bugs’ all the time, it’s faster initiation than Harley’s.

[grave cradle]

Fully charged up smash isn’t even really that great either most times

[severe fossil]

I know, that’s what sucks. Even worse that they can just fall out of it.

[grave cradle]

We’re not saying it’s bad don’t get us wrong, but it’s not as crazy as you think

It can be caught on whiff easily

[severe fossil]

I just want to have fair options like the others do. 4 “kill moves”, and only 1 is near guaranteed, but only if you don’t get stalled out.

[grave cradle]

The thing with Harley is that she has no identity

[severe fossil]

Combo archetype rushdown character.

I still think they need to make her walk speed higher though.

He’s up there if the beta values aren’t changed much

I think he was top 3 fastest before with Stark.

I think Shaggy is top 10, if not top 5.

Makes sense, all he does is run away in character.

[river yew]

She def didn't need most the nerfs. Only thing that made sense was slide nerf

Shaggy is everywhere in the meta rn. All he needs is legit sandwich zoning and jab uppercut. Pair that and his stalling with ultra instinct charging is dumb. I say hes top 3

Harley was only top 3 or 5 in the beta when she had 2 jack bombs and an infinite

[severe fossil]

But because people can’t admit they aren’t great at the game using a better character than Quinn.

[sacred hamlet]

Shaggy is the easiest so far. Especially once you learn to not waste his rage and use last zoinks

[river yew]

If PFG was smart they'd restore some of Harleys liability after they drop the Dr harleen skin

[grave cradle]

I can’t do ts bro FIX THIS CHARACTER😭🙏

I can’t even count how many aryas and iron giants I have ran into and just seen guaranteed Ls

[severe fossil]

Can’t ever do much with Iron and that combo break of his though

[unkempt oxide]

Harleys fall off is crazy man

[severe fossil]

That happens when you have your main options cut down into oblivion

[sacred hamlet]

Yep and people in general chat act like Harley is too strong but mentally they never recovered from launch lol

[unkempt oxide]

I mean the dev team overall just really doesn't care as long as 1000 gleamium is still 15$ CAD. Harleys entire memo is combo heavy moves and with all the whiff frames and just nerfs to her combo kit shes just an air neutral spammer with remote explosives

Harleys whiff frames are probably some of the highest in the game

[sacred hamlet]

Ah yeah, memories of last season fighting every jack with 0 whiff and my moves being slower than that bruiser

[grave cradle]

I have never felt more hate for the top tiers
They have ALL been damn near the same since day one😭🙏

[sacred hamlet]

quite a few tier lists for this season has her as S tier. im over here wondering if this is real. I know lots of good players play her but S tier? seems pretty wild

[severe fossil]

Not with how easy it is to escape her attacks nowadays.

Probably people not DI’ing

[white basalt]

Only people who think Harley is S tier now adays breathe through their mouths, don't be fooled by the FGC propaganda.

[severe fossil]

Well aware

[river yew]

Not even fgc propaganda. More like casual propaganda

[grave cradle]

Mouths is honestly an understatement

[grave cradle]

Love it when my game crashes after I am mid at about to win

I can’t tell if it’s the game or Sony, but ts gotta go😭🙏

[white basalt]

Just got the ethernet fixed on my pc so im back to playing this game on steam 🙏

[stray copper]

Can we get suicide squad skin that will be 🔥🔥🔥

[sterile grotto]

taz spam is going to make me quit the gd game...

[severe fossil]

"Just parry" is such an annoying answer when her ranged options to punish him come out too slow.

[sacred hamlet]

It's a terrible answer. Just written by people that are either not good or just ignorant to the match up

[severe fossil]

I’m fairly sure most non Harley mains don’t know her match ups or lose to good players and then don’t care if she’s minus to someone.

[upper lance]

Thanks game for giving me a match against samuraikuma but i cant move at all

[severe fossil]

Yep

[slender wharf]

https://youtu.be/7tBRiItUiuQ?feature=shared

Here u go gamers

[white basalt]

Idk I don't listen to anything about Harley that non Harley players say, the same way I wouldn't listen to someone talk about Batman balancing when they don't play Batman.

Ignorant MFS play a few matches against a character and think that they designed the thing.

Then say something really dumb "why don't you just Parry?"

"Why don't you just nair?"

You mean why don't I just negate every single hit, or spam the move with probably the MOST endlag in the entire game.

[severe fossil]

Reminder you hear more Harley complaints than anyone that isn't a brand new character, and it's cost her pretty much her whole identity to struggle doing what she was designed to do now.

And people still continue complaining about her even with how nerfed she is now acting like she's still an S tier.

[grave cradle]

I think epic games is better for some reason

[grave cradle]

If anyone think she’s S they gotta go😭🙏
Low A - mid B at best

[severe fossil]

And that's only because of some of her attack properties and how her kit is, ignoring her kill power isn't it? I'd rest harder on her being solid B at this point with her recoveries, lost routes, and abysmal kill power without using a setup to confirm.

Not to mention the lack of available armor breaks without using something to make up for it (only 2 perks really besides bat plush).

[unkempt oxide]

simply comparing harley to literally half the cast just makes her feel like a character that just says:what happened?

[severe fossil]

"The scrubbies complained too much."

[upper lance]

I got demoted by @analog ore in the worst way possible

The server connection for the both of us was so bad

I couldn’t move so it was a free win for him

[river yew]

Yes the scrubs did in fact complain too much lol

Void put hafley low A I believe this season

He also thinks smith S tier. Glad I wasn't trippin

Multiple content creators think smith should be nerfed

[grave cradle]

I’m not playing this game till it’s actually in a good state

I get disconnected several times making me losing a whole rank and a half when I have good WiFi, my game crashes when I’m on ps5, and i got nothing at the end of my sets

[severe fossil]

Hm, interesting, cause I get random crashes on PS4, but there's a tell for it every time.

[grave cradle]

For me it’s just random

But I got some of my stuff fixed

Now I’m currently rank 23 Harley

[severe fossil]

Congrats, I can't bother with ranked because of bad Jacks and abusive Stevens/Boy Scouts

[grave cradle]

Jack isn’t that bad, but the top tiers are completely unbearable

Since I played brawl a lot, a lot of knowledge I got from there

Also majority of the people that play this game are stupid and it shows, but most of the characters make up for it

[severe fossil]

“Bad Jacks”. The ones who spam side special like it’s all he has.

[severe fossil]

Cool, and I hate BJ now.
Why does he have Joker’s dodge and an anti-projectile dash?

[grave cradle]

I don’t feel like he’s that bad

But the characters in this game I will dislike till this games grave are Finn Arya and Batman

Finn beats Harley’s neutral, and I don’t even feel like u gotta explain the nonsense of the other two😭🙏

[severe fossil]

I had one tonight that I couldn’t do anything about (while being a s—-head) because my recoveries are too long, his priorities felt better, then he’s using dash attack so bomb is ignored off rip as well as him dodging at Joker range to avoid down and up air even in burnout?

Completely ignoring fighting a toxic Smith, WW, and PPG tonight?

[dull yew]

my least favorite harley matchups are probably stripe, superman and agent smith. could throw arya in there tbh.

i will say, you could argue others but it really comes down to how degenerate the opponent is playing. camping under platforms / corner camping, wall clinging with WW or steven etc etc. i’d say she’s mid/high B tier at best man I can’t justify any higher. i’ve been fluctuating around top 30 / top 40 thanks to them or just the matchmaking putting me against grandmasters players which wasn’t impossible. felt like i got figured out and ran out of mixups imo

i know a buff is coming i’m optimistic

[severe fossil]

Oh my god, Stripe’s reach is an abject pain in the ass to be dealing with, even worse that gun of his allowing kills around 70, let alone his dash somehow killing at 60.

Warner Tower and the Gremlins Backstage feels like 2 of the worst stages for her by design too thanks to her safest approaches being from above (but how many other characters have projectiles that go through platforms just fine?)

Steven can burn though.

[limpid dune]

I agree with everything you say, fr that stripe rn it's so underrated (same with sups) he has free kills from just a jab or you making a single mistake of stage, it's so crazy op rn

[dull yew]

warner tower is sooooo trash. gremlins backstage i agree with too but i have fun there from time to time. i keep trying characters but no one is as fun as her to me other than batman and i don’t wanna use him cause he’s cracked rn

[severe fossil]

The problem is that Stripe’s been like that since the start. All they did was boost him in areas that just had a negative effect on our girl.

And I really hope they don’t make a lot of stages with so many platforms a common thing.

[dull yew]

the map rotation sucks. got dexters lab into warner into dexters into warner

any tips on marvin / reindog counter play

[severe fossil]

Marvin counters Harley. You have to wait until his projectiles are on cooldown for the best window.

Reindogs usually play like punks, so coming from above or waiting for their recoveries is best.

[upper lance]

I finally got my master rank with harley

[rain beacon]

Superman is an EZ clap for me. I have a perk loadout that is focused on killing shield + confetti. Your down shot (yes beta player revealed lol) will be your best friend when it comes to any superman gold move. I usually go for 0toD when using confetti but it can be hard depending on who youre fighting. I know its uncommon but try to place your boxes randomly, a lot of players usually go for aerial fight. As for smith and stripe I have yet to properly counter them both but I treat anyone with high knockback like superman/ww, try to get that downshot off whenever you can.

[barren goblet]

Harley ❤️❤️

[dull yew]

how do you approach banana guard?

[rain beacon]

for me personally its tricky. what I do is dodge overhead and dair because its obvious they’re gonna try their jab. if its one that backs up and charges up then I try to stick a bomb to them and place a box nearby instead of approaching because of the sair.

[dull yew]

ty

[unkempt oxide]

just got master harley again and went up like 21 spots jesus christ

[dull yew]

beat a gm 38 supe shout out to you

[dull yew]

congrats 🎉 top 20 twin

[unkempt oxide]

#buffharley ☹️

[dull yew]

definitely needs a buff and a little tweaking

really hoping for a side special buff but i know they’ll nerf something else to make up for it

and please man grounded hammer is so bad

[rain beacon]

ayeeee ❤️❤️

[waxen lichen]

HARLRY BUFFS

HARKRY BUFFS

IN THE VOLLEYBALL SECTION SHE'S SO FAST

[rain beacon]

for those who havent seen she was also teased in her Dr. Harleen skin! also we get a day of the dead skin on top of the galaxy skin releasing tmrw!

[unkempt oxide]

where did yall see this?

[rain beacon]

the nubia reveal on twitch/youtube

[unkempt oxide]

thx

[unkempt oxide]

the nubia character reveal?

[rain beacon]

ye

[dull yew]

all of the harley skins teased were so good my wallet 😭😭😭😭😭😭

i’m glad her movement speed was increased but i’m hoping to see a little more then i’ll be satisfied

[rain beacon]

what else are you looking forward to? 👀

[dull yew]

hopefully more consistent combo follow ups

[rain beacon]

oh yeah she definitely needs something. they’ll probably have to begin adding in new moves for everyone slowly

[dull yew]

which moves would you have them change if given the opportunity?

[rain beacon]

honestly i feel like her slide needs to be a PINCH quicker. i could really catch a lot of ppl with it if i just had the extra second.

[dull yew]

i agree. i wouldn’t want it too quick, but i say this all the time that i could be catching people if it was so i’ll take it. same with side special having to pause as she reaches the peak of the move

feel like she needs to move outwards a bit more if they don’t change how fast it shoots

[rain beacon]

yeah im ngl i dont bother shooting sideways unless its to save myself from being rungout. its just unbearably slow to use

[dull yew]

hate when it’s my last option or if i misinput. her recovery options kind of suck, but it’s okay cause she’s an assassin.

i’m also team-she needs new perks at some point. i dream that the down gun perk just goes away and sticks to the move permanently 🫣

[rain beacon]

gun down? lmao ive been using confetti so long i feel like someone grandma trying to understand you

and yeah her recovery is straight cheeks

[dull yew]

yeah the dair perk that allows you to aim it 🤣

switching to confetti was the best thing i ever did

[rain beacon]

omfg yeah im ngl everytime i see a harley with it i just sigh and be like “yeah she about to lose” its sad bc they deadass lose

[rain beacon]

have you been able to 0 to death with it yet?

[dull yew]

situationally yes!

and very stage dependent

[rain beacon]

this is true. ill have to catch myself clipping someone and post it for you. bombs are a bit better to me when it comes to finishing the job if your confetti blows them up too soon

[dull yew]

one thing i want personally is for them to change bomb attach time again. at least to her person cause i wanna experiment with it a bit

[rain beacon]

ooo i do love a good experiment. elaborate on what you’d like to do

[dull yew]

ending early combos with bomb and combining off the pop up. just wouldn’t work against tj since he can swing that racket at godspeed flying across the map

just as a way to stop combo or jab demons from trying to carry me across the map

[rain beacon]

yeah. toms are annoying af for me considering i prefer to be overhead a lot of these characters. oftentime i wish we were able to blow the bomb up whilst in combat like if i have it on me and im being paddled to death let me blow it up😭

[dull yew]

the tom i just played abused his racket and he was literally zooming mid air with it just smacking me and all my projectiles 😭 like what am i supposed to do???

[rain beacon]

id tweak out so bad and just accept defeat 😭 time to abuse the next person you fight

[dull yew]

LMAO i was tweaking out! had me mashing really bad 😭 so close

[river yew]

They're teasing dr harleen just to piss us off tbh

Anyway give harley mains 2 jack bombs back

[slender wharf]

u get more now

previously it was 24 seconds for 2 bombs, now its 16

[rain beacon]

HARLEYS 🥹 we’re back in business

[waxen lichen]

YEEHAW

[dull yew]

i like the changes but we’ll see how she feels in game 😭

[dull yew]

SHE FEELS SO GOOD

[rain beacon]

i forgot i had the movement perk on her now im zooming lmao

[dull yew]

is it a considerable difference without? considering moving my perks around if it helps neutral

not having to rely on dash attack to break shield is so fun

and the side special is perfect

[rain beacon]

i personally dont think its needed. though i havent tried her without it so hang on ill update you

[dull yew]

i’d test myself but i’ll be holed up at work for some hours 😭

appreciate you!

[rain beacon]

personally i prefer her with it. also theres LITTLE and im mean TINYYYY difference with or without it. my delusion just likes to know i at least have it on lmao

[near nova]

Any new combo routes? Ive been WANTING to test Harley all day but I play on xbox and y'all know how its going for us

[dull yew]

i feel like perk 1 is useless for me. i don’t notice any difference to use press the advantages if im killing early

feel like movement perk would be the meta

[rain beacon]

im finding out that all we have to do is spin or slide under nubias spear 😹

[dull yew]

haven’t gotten to see yet. i played 3 games before i ran into work and all i got to confirm was side special into dash attach on the stupid beach map 😭

[dull yew]

she’s not even broken like i thought 😭 gonna love whipping her into shape

but i also didn’t have a hard time with ppg when they released

[rain beacon]

RIGHT! i expected her to be so busted like she hits heavy but she move so slow😭

[unkempt oxide]

one of her combo routes got removed from the stupid combat change that makes people bounce off the ground even in hitstun

sair into ground neutral is true now

[dull yew]

do you have a clip for this? is it tech dependent?

[unkempt oxide]

wha 😭

[dull yew]

LMAO i just wanna see it 😭😭😭😭

[unkempt oxide]

it’s just sair and ground neutral

[dull yew]

stuck at work my imagination can’t see it 😂

[unkempt oxide]

2 kicks and the one that breaks armor now

🙌

[dull yew]

LMFAO thank you

[unkempt oxide]

i can show it in like 10 mins

[dull yew]

nah you’re good homie i appreciate the thought

[somber fractal]

How is she doing in this patch?

[severe fossil]

Better than last but some points take getting used to

[somber fractal]

Her slide attack is still really silly to me

Can go right under Nubia’s spear with it lol

[rain beacon]

clean af

[near nova]

these fair ground bounces are killing me man

[dull yew]

yeah it’s kinda inconvenient

all in all

i think if sair didn’t ground bounce i would have beat grand master #8

i was shmoving man our girl is in a good place

[near nova]

😭

That stinks

[dull yew]

i was one hit away too i’m sickkkk to my stomach

[dull yew]

they can fall out of jab 3 :/

[upper lance]

you know if they didnt do that ground bounce on sair harley wouldve been perfect

[lunar oak]

Does everyone agree that sair ground bounce sucks ass?

[upper lance]

Its a dumb change but whatever i’ll try to adapt

But the other changes are good

Like real good

[lunar oak]

Idk I feel the new sair changed WAY too much.. like all her good combos are just impossible now cuz of the ground tech thing

[near nova]

really the only things I've found from the ground bounce are sair gb > dair tech chases and sair gb > jump sair

Even then the second sair after the gb sair can still gb so