Harley Quinn

[flat chasm]

nerf harley

[jovial finch]

harley mains getting kills after two attacks

[neat trench]

Their character takes a lot of skill and set up to jab 3 times and then mash up special

[jovial finch]

jab into up tilt into up special

highest effort combo in multiversus

[stray copper]

jab utilt up b isn't even true 💀

[jovial finch]

just after wonder woman's combo of neutral special into up special into up special

[stray copper]

that isn't even true either 💀

[jovial finch]

yuh huh

[stray copper]

the only true ladder ww has is dair uair uair up b

[jovial finch]

too much harley quinn has dulled your senses

[stray copper]

everything else can be di'd

[stray copper]

i don't even play harley i just know how to di out of combos

you guys get hit by fair and your brains turn off i swear

[jovial finch]

nah i never seen a harley use fair

every harley ive seen has their thumbstick taped to the upwards position

[stray copper]

then i don't know what kind of low elo games you're playing in

[jovial finch]

im playing against the reality and not the mysterious world of harley's using moves other than down tilt, up tilt, jab, neutral attack, and up special you pretend exists

[stray copper]

ummmm how are they using down tilt with their thumsticks taped up silly

[jovial finch]

i only said thumbstick singular silly

the tilt thumbstick is still free

[stray copper]

you got me there

[carmine tapir]

sair is like the third most used move ur trolling right

[jovial finch]

No i am not trolling i am hallucinating a violent existence where harley is the cause of all my life's sorrow

[covert reef]

Goated harley mains unite!

[cosmic river]

you know. i really appreciate you keeping these harleys in check. youre one of the good ones

[carmine tapir]

one of the good ones is crazy

idk tho some of these people are straight delulu tho

[cosmic river]

dont show up to discord on patch day

[carmine tapir]

harley gutted tomorrow

light work

[severe fossil]

Man, they need to nerf Shaggy’s kill power on that damn kick.

[covert reef]

Too late

And didn't they already "patch" the game, harley isn't getting nerfed lol

[severe fossil]

Barely anything to nerf on her. What are you gonna do, kill her cancels?

[covert reef]

Don't give em ideas

[severe fossil]

That’s pretty much the only way you nerf her is force her to be the only character who can’t cancel her attacks or increase her recoveries and then absolutely butcher her playstyle as a result.

She’s a combo type with horrendous weight against her who pretty much relies on a plushie setup or up special to kill below 160.

Again: what are they seriously able to nerf on her that doesn’t completely ruin her feel?

[stray copper]

you can nerf her in ways without killing the charachter

slide rn is kinda busted, it can be combo'd into and out of into guaranteed kills or 50/50s

literally "the move"

[tulip plover]

just like

make slide not low profile everything

its already hard to parry, so just make it easier to counterhit

[severe fossil]

Isn’t Joker’s slide tackle the same way except he has knockback?

And Bat Boy’s? Though I’m not sure if his is automatic 2 part or not.

And there’s a number of things hard to parry in the game, but hers you just jump over and attack since she has whiff lag on it.

[lime dagger]

Basically yeah, Harley’s is more used to start combos, whiles jokers is more for edge Harding or comboing at lower heat. And yeah bats slide and kick are linked together now

[flat chasm]

nerf harley

[clear fable]

whelp I accidentally mashed A and bought this character

[opal pier]

I had a Harley yesterday just dash slide 90% of the time😂

[neat trench]

Unparalleled talent and skill

[opal pier]

It was pretty funny though

They just let me dair them to death as they kept sliding all over the place

[neat trench]

Who do you even play

[shadow folio]

When one button doesn’t win the entire game and you have to actually use the kit to make her an S tier

[opal pier]

Bugs

Hitting a dair on a Harley though is like hitting an ant with a needle off of a skyscraper

She isn't even much smaller then shaggy and has like 1/3 the hitbox

[neat trench]

Bugs has like the biggest dair in the game dawg 😭

[severe fossil]

Harley got nerfed, she can’t default taunt anymore.

No more targeted dialogue qnq

[carmine tapir]

biggest nerf of the century

[severe fossil]

Ikr? And her hammer spin isn’t in the shop either.

Also, Jake needs no buffs, he can cheese like piss in 2s with his neutral b.

[trail flame]

So it's not just me then

[severe fossil]

Nope. I heard there was something bugged about it, but I never saw any proof for it.

[hidden swift]

Why?

[severe fossil]

No idea, she just doesn't have a default taunt anymore.

[trail flame]

It just got removed from everyone's inventory

[indigo crater]

God is great ma brothers

[severe fossil]

Hm...it looks like something to see in action to gauge admittedly.

[opal pier]

Oh hell yeah Harley nerfs

😂

[severe fossil]

If you say so, but goes to show that she's meant to be a comboer first.

[slate dune]

i rarely ever used charge slide in neutral so this doesn’t affect me much

[steep oar]

Boo! They removed our taunt!

[raven raptor]

So how bad are the nerfs?

[wary furnace]

IKR ? Just his side air is annoying enough

[hoary coral]

how we feeling bout the patch

it just seems like they made slide fair

[stray copper]

Not bad. Feels the same. Just can’t combo into side anymore

And you can’t up b after up smash

She’s still good

Just can’t slide as much anymore which is fine for me because that how she was in open beta. Slide is just kinda useless now. Still a good move only when you read your opponent in nuetral

Still catching Ws 💪🏾

[wary furnace]

I was expecting she would be nerfed, thankfully nothing astronomical

[tropic tulip]

"Thankfully" is crazy

This character needs to be hit so much harder to become balanced

[stray copper]

Eh nothing ground breaking unless you relied heavily on slide. Just gotta be more cautious on how and when you throw it out

[wary furnace]

I just want her to keep being fun to play

[stray copper]

She still is fun trust me. You just have to be smarter on how you play you can’t just slide 24/7 anymore

[wary furnace]

Yeah I play adam, trust me characters that require a brain to play are still really fun lol

[stray copper]

Yeah I did see he got nerfed

[wary furnace]

It was nothing big for him either, but it did make some matchups more annoying

Thankfully they didn't nerf the REALLY important moves like up tilt or neutral air or I'd probably abandon the game lol

[tropic tulip]

True but Adam isn't one of those characters

[slate dune]

they really should fix the plushie bomb glitch

[hollow onyx]

You have Bugs in your name

[stray copper]

^

[torn plover]

I see people calling the Harley changes an overall buff… that’s not true is it?

[cosmic river]

definitely not

they probably just saw the increased knockback on up tilt and didnt think beyond that

[stray copper]

Ngl they are gaslighting for more nerfs LOL

[cosmic river]

yall gotta keep in mind, 99% of people in general chat have no idea what theyre talking about

take any opinions you see there with a grain of salt

[river yew]

Mid level players will stay mid level and keep asking to nerf there most losing matchups. But we digress

[stray copper]

Harley is fine now. Getting Ws with the nerfs 💯

[cosmic river]

of course she is fine. virtually unchanged\

only the people crutching dtilt are gonna be effected by the changes

[river yew]

Facts only change i feel is up attack knocking people more slightly to the right. But comboing off of it is adjustable.

I think the nerfs only weeded out the people spamming harleys dtilt slide. Which is fine. People who know how to actually play her used it subtley

[carmine tapir]

Nuh uh

Harley cord is actually freaking out rn

None of her combo routes work anymore

But we lock in soon I guess

[cosmic river]

maybe its true im not sure seeing as i havent ran into a single harley in all my games today

couldnt go more than 2 games without running into one before

[carmine tapir]

I don’t think she’s gutted or bad but like

She’s boring now

But I’ll still play her

[hoary coral]

she takes more skill

[hoary coral]

the ftilt dtlit nerf hurts icl

[carmine tapir]

Dtilt has been undoubtedly cooked

[cosmic river]

what changed with her combo routes? it was just from dtilt

[carmine tapir]

Can’t combo into or out of dtilt anymore

[cosmic river]

she still has dair sair jabs

[carmine tapir]

Dair sair jab hasn’t worked since beta

Sair only combod into dtilt or dair

So now grounded sair doesn’t do anything

[cosmic river]

ah i see

[carmine tapir]

Sair dair has always been DI situational and like only works on SM type hitboxes

[cosmic river]

well then. that is a big change i stand corrected

[carmine tapir]

Eh I mean we’ll probably figure it out

Just have to be more creative and skillful about it

Like honestly dtilt was broken as hell and it was a fair nerf

[cosmic river]

do you know if the low profiling on dtilt was changed? i saw they made the hurtbox "slightly" bigger, does it still go under jabs?

[carmine tapir]

Honestly don’t know

Probably still depends on the attack

[hoary coral]

i feel as if her playstye now is more read based

[cosmic river]

it was kinda silly how it even low profiled during recovery. i would instinctively try and jab to whiff punish and get blown up every time

[carmine tapir]

She’s based like entirely on punishing

Which like kinda sucks because she has no burst damage anymore

[stray copper]

I’m actually fine. She’s fine to me. We still winning 🥇

[carmine tapir]

That’s the copium talking

[stray copper]

I’m being serious lol the nerfs didn’t really do much for me playing her. I’m still taking Ws with the nerfs just have to read dodges more that’s all

[crude bison]

anyone know what happened to harley quinn default emote? its just gone for me

[carmine tapir]

Glitch related to it would break her in game

[crude bison]

oh ok what was the glitch?

[mighty pasture]

This ^ I barely feel any "nerfs" with Harley

[torn plover]

I wouldn’t mind a Harley nerf just to switch up the 1v1 meta. She is the most played character. I haven’t looked up any charts but I am sure most people would agree she is the most played character

I’m basically just tiered of playing against her

[stray copper]

She just got nerfed 😭

[radiant quest]

how tf do these nerfs and one buff benefit her at all lmao

she got worse if you compare her to other fighters now

[torn plover]

Idk I don’t even remember what they were I just glanced over it

[carmine tapir]

default taunt for long enough and all ur anims break

[exotic reef]

They did NOT keep her combo potential i guess

[silk sequoia]

Why Harley the one getting all the hate. People really out here forgetting about all the other characters that exist who also needed nerfs

I understand she's the most played so most of the time the complaints aren't going to just be because of actual issues but also because people are just tired of playing against her and I get it but at least be objective. I play WAAAYY too many bugs but I understand it's mostly the person playing in some instances not just the character.

[torn plover]

I would definitely rather play against Harley over Bugs, Wonder Woman, or T&J but I see her more than those 3 characters combined

In 1v1s idk about 2s

[silk sequoia]

Agree

[stray copper]

yeah all my combos still worked to the point I had to double check I updated

[indigo silo]

I hope her taunts gets fixed soon.

[lapis geyser]

just played a harley online and i might as well say ggs to all of you since every single one of you plays the exact same

[hoary coral]

Cope

[exotic reef]

I noticed the slide will never connect after side normal and connecting an arieal after up normal is almost impossible

[wintry mirage]

I’m curious do you all still have a combo game? I know it was nerfed with up attack being basically gone but I kinda hope your character is still decent

[lyric copper]

So is Harley dead?

[mighty pasture]

Not at all

Im actually interested to hear if other Harley mains are using glove control or smooth moves

Ive been switching the 2 personally depending on the match up

Smooth moves for WW, IG, Bugs etc... glove control for the small gremlins like gizmo, stripe

[indigo silo]

I just goof around with her by doing her running attack cause it is fun. But I do other moves too to balance it out.

[stray copper]

Mained Harley since open beta I NEVER used smooth moves or confetti always glove control

[stray copper]

Idk how you’re using that when side b is dogshit now

Slower, more punishable and the corck shot goes a shorter distance, and it’s easier to react to and dodge

[stray copper]

Eh. Not really you just can’t heavy combo anymore. Just more dodge reads

[stray copper]

Nah combo game lowkey gone

[indigo silo]

I always have bad timing with her jack-in-the-box balloons. I try shooting them down but my opponent always backs away from them lol.

[stray copper]

yeah fair slide utilit up b is still a thing but it's more di dependent

[icy canyon]

I think the utilt change killed her combos for now. It no longer combos into any moves... period. Go into training, set a dummy to neutral dodge so that they're buffering a parry constantly and you LITERALLY cannot true combo out of uptilt until at least 70% (I think? Don't have the hard numbers memorized). It also doesn't lead to anything at high percents so you can't confirm. Unfortunate to see, it's like what they did to shaggy's nair but worse since she no longer has any combo game unless you commit with a dodge cancel sair or uair, just 2-3 hit strings that deal 12% and then you have to make a hard read or reset neutral without a reliable way to set off confetti.

[river yew]

It's crazy considering the sheer outrageous things you can do with bugs

I 0 to 120'd an Iron giant and Wonder woman team yesterday with a dair safe to Nair combo into my partners shield who was trying Steven. He was in absolute shock.

But hey Every casual wants to complain about harley

[lyric copper]

I complain about everyone equally

[mighty pasture]

I also been using Harley since open beta and promise you smooth moves is way better this time around. The extra dodge makes things respond much faster imo

Glove control sometimes too slow, its easier to combo chain when you dont have to aim it

And for the tanks (IG, Jason, superman) they have such a big hitbox its almost impossible to miss them

[icy canyon]

I'm a fan of the confetti explosion perk, opens up a lot of new combo routes and kill set ups. Agree that aiming with Glove control can be slow

[mighty pasture]

I avoid confetti explosion honestly, I might have to give it a try today

Almost all of my combos start with her batbomb

[icy canyon]

It's kinda been shadow buffed due to the nerfs to harley's kit.

Since she lost any true followup from up tilt, but a jabx3 --> dtiltx2 can set it off and lead to followup

[hoary coral]

I actually wanna try confetti after the nerfs

[mighty pasture]

Same lol I cant wait to get on later🤞

[lament frost]

Cant beleive what they did to harley, you cant combo anything anymore, her up tilt is just useless, dont even care what they do to her slide but her uptilt was so important.

[edgy gull]

you cant be serious

[stray copper]

It’s a hard adjustment but honestly she’s fine. Still viable. Just dropped to A from S is all

[jovial finch]

Harley went from the easiest to combo character to an easy to combo character

From baby mode to easy mode

[lament frost]

what combos does she actually have that are not like 3 moves

[worldly vault]

just had a harley hit me with a nair upair so many times i legit thought i just didn't have any more dodges

[turbid wing]

Twitter has won

Harley is eh now

All the top harley mains swapped off of her

Except me

[stray copper]

best perk for teams atm imo, you can get some stupid early confirms off it

[river yew]

All characters usually use 3 moves for combo mixes...

[wet prairie]

those arent combos

[river yew]

I'm not talking about jab 123

[mighty pasture]

You were not lying sir🫡 appreciate u

[severe fossil]

So it's everyone that can't taunt right now or just Harley?

[calm swan]

what perks would you recommend running for harley?

in duos

[turbid wing]

Weakening perks

[calm swan]

so press and last stand

[mighty pasture]

Snowball, speed force, pugilist with confetti

[stray copper]

honestly in 2s Harley can take advantage of last stand

and obv confetti

[sly vault]

I wonder does it have anything to do with the Horror gems?

Since we have a gem that gives that taunt and enrage effect.

IDK just spit ballin here!

[covert reef]

Wassup everyone

[mighty pasture]

Wish I could add onto this man, I need to do more rifts lol

[south folio]

It seems like Harley struggles in 2s imo

Not as bad as other characters but she more so excels in being able to combo and or focus on a single opponent.

[severe fossil]

That’s literally what her play style was is being a combo type character.

She’s expected to rack up damage over time to ring someone out, like Stark without the teleport.

[white basalt]

Anyone else can't emote on Harley?

[stray copper]

Yeah

[mighty pasture]

Works best with a tank imo. Use her confetti and batbombs to cause chaos and then jump in for the ringouts when opponents are weakened

[sly vault]

Emotes appear to be removed for her on both steam and PS5

[white basalt]

real its kinda cringe

[lime dagger]

I feel like she’s still good in 2s. You can’t play her the same way. No real chance to do her combos. But her up bat and hammer still go crazy.

[turbid wing]

Harley is more of a reader now

She’s not gutted

[south folio]

Yeah. In 2s it seems like you have to play more hit and run because it's super easy to not be able to get your combo out otherwise.

[rapid cloak]

did Harley get her emotes removed or something?

[mighty pasture]

They are glitched as of rn, all platforms

[rapid cloak]

what was the glitch?

[carmine tapir]

anims would break after taunting for long enough time

[neat trench]

Why are you all one and done? Are you scared of losing the second match and looking bad or are you trying to protect your non-existent ELO?

[mighty pasture]

Excuse me sir I toast anyone who does BO3

[stray copper]

Pretty much everyone I fight does a one and done. I’ve fought the whole roster

[stray copper]

she needs go be paired with a tank like ww or superman to be effective

[stray copper]

same, or I toast when a match was close

[mighty pasture]

Batman too, have him be the aggressor and Harley come in to be cleaner for KOs. Both vertical too so its a pretty lethal duo imo

[stray copper]

yeah but they both die early

[neat trench]

I've fought 5 characters as thats all anyone plays

[mighty pasture]

Feel like that could be said for any character tbh

Depends on matchup or map even

[turbid wing]

U not lyin

[covert reef]

ME TOO, THERES NO VARIETY AND IT'S BORING AF

[plain canyon]

people only fight one and done because of top dog

[white basalt]

If I fight you trust I'll take you 11-0

[neat trench]

Lets run it I'm fiending for an enjoyable match literally everyone is just 1 and done whether they win or lose, BO3 is non-existent in this game now

[white basalt]

I just woke up give me like 20 mins and I'm down, you can add me.

I'ma warn you my carpal tunnel is really bad in my thumb rn so I've swapped from dpad to stick to help with that pain.

I may misinput but I'll give it my best shot.

[carmine tapir]

bc top dog incentivizes one and dones lol thats probably why

[neat trench]

Even when top dog is gone everyone is 1 and done

[carmine tapir]

oh then idk

[plain canyon]

Run my fade

[white basalt]

batman main?? 🤢

[plain canyon]

Play me

[white basalt]

im aight

[plain canyon]

Scared

[white basalt]

Of that broken ass uppercut?

yeah

its so ugly to play against ill pass

[plain canyon]

Calling Batman broken as Harley main is pure skill issue

Nvm

[white basalt]

rare moment of clairty

[plain canyon]

I said “nvm” as in im not looking forward to play u anymore

U don’t seem to smart

[white basalt]

its okay i was never looking forward to fighting you in the first place ❤️

take care 👋

[plain canyon]

❤️

[plain canyon]

I get it, sometimes u get scared of getting gapped. It happens all love ❤️

[white basalt]

if thats what you took from that, i dodged a bullet.

🚩

[indigo crater]

My brother in Christ

You have a better version of his uppercut lol

Less recovery, has true combos into it, better horizontal hit box

Am I tweekin

[white basalt]

indeed

look as far as batman goes, i dont think hes very fair or fun to play against, bro has 40 true combos 26 of which revolve around the wack ahh uppercut that has an almost around hitbox and priority above most things i as a harley can do.

not to mention it launches sub 65.

Its just a bad match up and honestly the character feels oppressive.

it is what it is, even tho one of harleys only true combos just got gutted, its a skill issue or whatever helps ya sleep

[plain canyon]

Um gng this isn’t beta Batman barely has any true combos hes a string character

[white basalt]

Thats just incorrect tho, Ive seen true combos post launch, there are 40 i can send you a video rn.

you may not know them, it doesnt mean they dont exist.

[plain canyon]

Gng I main the character and play him and lab him 24/7

Send the video

I’ll tell u how many of em true

Cause they cap

All di heavvyyy dependent

[mighty pasture]

Tbh it seems Batman does everything Harley can do, but better (not complaining here just comparing the two)

[plain canyon]

HOLY DOWNPLAYER

😭😭

[mighty pasture]

??

[plain canyon]

Nah this whole subsection got it

[mighty pasture]

Talk fam

[plain canyon]

Bro so ur saying Batman is better than Harley?

[mighty pasture]

We can have a respectful debate without getting mad lol

[mighty pasture]

For a 1v1 matchup against the two, yes

[plain canyon]

I’m not even tryna debate

This is not something I can debate this is genuinely crazy that people have takes like this

U got it

[mighty pasture]

Maybe Im wrong idk Im speaking from personal experience

[white basalt]

No youre not wrong

this guy just thinks hes the CEO of batman or smth

so he can just say anything about the character and itll be true

idk if i can send links in here so ill dm you the vid, but at this point youre entitled to you own opinion, no matter how wrong you are.

[plain canyon]

Harley better zoning, better combo game, better setups

She’s literally more optimal Batman

[mighty pasture]

Batman better combo game

Set up =

Zoning harley

I think combo game is more important in a 1v1 than zoning, so advantage Batman

Thats my process on the topic

[plain canyon]

Every Batman combo ur gonna show me is probably gonna start from zero

😂😂

[mighty pasture]

No I just believe he gets more fluid combos to hit

[white basalt]

i didnt make the video pal 🤷

I dont play batman, but i dont need too, to know hes oppressive af

[plain canyon]

It’s cool

[sly vault]

Ouch! That was harsh no?

Come on it's FD in 🇺🇸
Holiday weekend for most others too.

I'm not saying the comments weren't heated on both sides btw

[white basalt]

it is what it is, i tried to decline he didnt want no as an answer, i could have deescellated but it is what it is 🤷

[sly vault]

Not your job to desclinate (not a word)
And yeah I saw this too on second read:

[white basalt]

im not really pressed, i dont have a problem with him, its really more just batman and how he feels to play against.

[white basalt]

if that means im scared, well shiver me timbers.

[sly vault]

Lol ummm k

I'm agreeing with you...

Batman is a bruiser and hits like a tank. As he should be.

Granted he should be a tank in this game.

But w/e lol

[white basalt]

thats fair, idk i think a lot of characters have really misaligned hitboxes, batman is among them

[sly vault]

Sups too

With that punch

[white basalt]

WW, IG, and Superman have this issue as well

[sly vault]

But hey game still rocks
I missed playing it.

[white basalt]

real

Im really burnt out from top dog tbh

[sly vault]

Yup sups = superman
Jason has it too with the teleport imo

[white basalt]

I think i won over 150+ matches cause i went from like 851 to 1060 harley wins over the course of the event

not to mention how many times i lost as well

I just wanted to win so bad

[sly vault]

Well if we are talking ranked
It hasn't been put back in just yet. Then I'd worry about that.

I was #20 Harley when I first logged back in

Now I'm like 26ish amongst the players I have encountered

[white basalt]

I was top 4% a little while ago, but it changes so often its hard to stay up there.

[sly vault]

Ranked isn't high on my priorities
I just play for fun.
Love the property and characters.
You can quote me on that

[neat trench]

Dawg Harley has a stronger up b 😭

Batmans uppercut can be used a whopping two times in the air and it doesn't have the same hitbox or kill power as Harleys nair which can be infinitely spammed as its not a special

Harley is all around a stronger character

Batman is nothing like he used to be and denying that and saying Harley is worse is just unfathomable downplay

Harley has been top tier since day 1 and she's still top 5 at worst, Batmans currently bottom of A on a highball

[white basalt]

u rite about the uppercut i went into training to check (i dont play batman)

but youre up-playing harley and downplaying batman heavy

[neat trench]

No, I'm not

[white basalt]

Harley just got her only true combo starter gutted

[neat trench]

Batman isn't that great anymore

[white basalt]

sway what are you smoking?

can i have some?

[neat trench]

He's still a solid character, he's not bad

But Harley is broken

Always has been, probably always will be because a dev mains her or something

Just like how WW is broken, some devs main her

[white basalt]

Im gonna have to agree to disagree with you tbh.

Harley is mid A idk what harley cooked you so bad to give you that mental, but she isnt anywhere near S tier.

[neat trench]

Any credible good player would disagree with you and put her in S bro

At the very worst she's top 5

[white basalt]

"any credible good player" ☝️ 🤓

I think we're done here.

[neat trench]

It ain't my fault you're bad at the game bud

[white basalt]

Youre not worth arguing with

Im not gonna waste my time explaining something to someone who wont change their mind even if im right

there's no point in continuing this if your using "you're bad" as leverage

take care 👋

[neat trench]

"You can't argue with me, I knew I was wrong 10 minutes ago now I'm just trying to piss you off" head ass

[plain canyon]

Thank you zypten

Bros straight delusional

[white basalt]

The two batman mains have come to slurp each other

no suprise there

[neat trench]

I'm not a Batman main lmao

[plain canyon]

He don’t even main batsman

[white basalt]

🥱

[plain canyon]

I thought I had an ego

[neat trench]

Ong

[plain canyon]

😭😂😂

[muted pendant]

Harley is not s tier

[severe fossil]

Not with those nerfs of hers. Low A, high B now.

[wraith yacht]

We maintaining the agenda with this one

[neat trench]

Downplay

Unreal

[slate timber]

HUH LOW A

[neat trench]

Harley mains are the third biggest downplayers

Behind WW mains and BA mains

[slate timber]

out of your mind shes no higher than B in this state is crazy

harley is just good at stomping people who dont know how to play the game and it ALWAYS makes her looks better than she actually is

DI alone beat most of her "True" combos pre-nerf but we dont talk about that lol

[worldly vault]

Haven’t seen a Harley I’m a hot minute so I just assume she’s fairly weak rn

Compared to like joker and ww every game

[slate timber]

she is very weak rn but worst of all clunky

doesnt matter if you win on her it doesnt even feel good to do it, even if she needed nerfs all this end lag makes you feel stuck and like you cant pilot your own character

and most of her kit doesnt even work with other parts of it anymore

box literally bugs out bomb if they touch each other its crazy

[neat kernel]

anyone else notice that her default taunt is just gone or is that just me

[slate timber]

yea she cant taunt rn they removed it for some reason

probably because of some bug like IG

[stray copper]

If you’re still complaining about Harley after her nerfs that make it easier for you to dodge her combos and she is way more punishable. Tells me you’re just flat out garbage. Like just flat out. Majority of Harley players have dropped her. Even the biggest known Harley mains besides tymier has dropped her they said she’s no fun bottom a high B. If you’re still struggling against her and think it’s downplaying. I’m sorry but you’re just bad

[neat trench]

Harley downplay

[stray copper]

I’m sorry but you’re getting caught by nair? The move that had the most end lag out of her kit? Easily dodgeable? Occasionally goes through people because of the hit box? Doesn’t even kill at 100? Easily can be read and she is 100% punishable? I’m sorry but if you’re complaining about Harley nair. Who do you main? 😂

[stray copper]

Nah just your skill issue

[neat trench]

Harley downplay

[stray copper]

Skill issue

[neat trench]

Imagine being this character carried and this easily offended over someone saying your character is broken

You're character carried, cry about it

[stray copper]

Imagine coming into a Harley discord after her nerfs to still call us down players and telling us to cry. Who do you main?

[stray copper]

Who you play?

[neat trench]

I haven't decided yet

Maybe Batman

He's fun

Childhood favorite too

Maybe Joker, BWL skin is so unbelievably fire

Maybe I'll go to my beta main Shaggy but he feels kinda stale rn

[stray copper]

LOL are you new or something?

[neat trench]

No

I just haven't decided on a main

[stray copper]

You’re shaggy main complaining about Harley?! LMFAO

[neat trench]

Was*

Also Shaggy was ALWAYS in a losing MU to Harley

[stray copper]

Imagine wanting to main joker arguably the top 2 best character in the game rn

[stray copper]

So because you’re playing a character that loses your matchup. That equals nerfs? Shes op? 😂😂😂😂 Now I understand why you think she’s op

[stray copper]

Wrong. Shaggy can kill Harley at like 50 if he wanted

It’s 50:50 matchup

Especially after the nerfs

[neat trench]

I haven't played Shaggy in a while you might be stupid

[neat trench]

You play Harley because she's meta LMAOOOO

Meta slave

[stray copper]

So im confused. You can’t decide on picking a character, so instead of labbing and trying to play and get better, you come into the Harley discord to complain about a character that got nerfed pretty hard? Ngl. That’s corny asf

I think you come in here to troll

[stray copper]

Rage bait

[stray copper]

Oh but it gets better. You then say “Harley is a losing matchup for shaggy” so therefore she’s op? Wouldn’t that be the same for any character that has a losing matchup? What if you just simply lose because of skill? A losing MU doesn’t mean you automatically lose. Snake eyes beat a jp player to win the sf 6 tourney before gief got buffed. And geif vs JP everyone knew was a losing 1,00000% impossible losing my for gief. Maybe you’re just bad

[neat trench]

My bad for not looking for the most meta character and exclusively playing her

[stray copper]

You can’t decide a character to stick with so you bounce around thinking you’re a pro with no proper training or knowledge how to play a random character you choose and lose against Harley and call her broken 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[stray copper]

Skill issue. Learn how to beat Harley 🤷🏾‍♂️

[neat trench]

I mean I'm probably better than you

Statistics show the average fighting game player is hard stuck in one rank

Guess we'll never get those statistics for this game though

Already down to a few thousand players LMAO

PFG on their way to screw up an easy task 2 times in a row

[stray copper]

The way you complain about Harley. I highly doubt it. It sounds like you lose against her all the time. Maybe you’re just bad bro. Maybe Harley is a tough character for you to fight. Everyone has that one character that is tough to fight. Fighting a Steven universe, especially a good one as Harley is tough but I still manage to beat him

[neat trench]

Yeah you're character carried

Not my fault you're bad 🥱

[stray copper]

You complain too much no thanks. I don’t wanna embarrass you and then you make up an excuse “you’re carried”

[neat trench]

Harley mains downplaying all the time while simultaneously playing a character that's never dropped below top 5

[stray copper]

lol

[stray copper]

Not my fault you come into a character discord just to talk trash. Mad cause bad. I saw the previous messages. You come in here and argue with everybody. What’s your end goal? To just waste your energy trolling and rage baiting? Why come into a character discord just to cry about a character that got nerfed which were very significant because her combo game is gone. You wanna play joker bro. As soon as I heard you say you wanted to play joker. I instantly ignored anything you said from that point forward

How can you say we are playing top 5 character who’s broken but you wanna main joker? 😂😂😂😂

Come on bro

You look silly

[neat trench]

Jokers A tier at best

sorry bro

[stray copper]

Yeah. Now I know you’re trolling and going for a rage bait. I’m not gonna respond anymore

[neat trench]

Crazy how easy it is to make Harley nerds mad

[stray copper]

I’m not even mad. Just sad for you

[neat trench]

You're mad

I can see the veins bulging through the screen
Face red, smoke blowing out yo ears like some kinda cartoon

[stray copper]

100% yeah for sure

[white basalt]

I didn't need to do anything bro made himself the fool.

W Harley chat

[neat trench]

Harley mains on their way to stink up the whole room

[stray copper]

W

[shadow folio]

Green aura w flies

(I’m an ex Harley main)

[worldly vault]

every character is clunky tbf. If any character were truly fluid ala the beta they'd be truly unstoppable

[slate timber]

no no im saying this with respect to a character in this version of the game not compared to beta, other characters can link their kit/attacks, jump, dodge and throw out another option MUCH faster and/or smoother than harley can in her current state. She has alot of extremely odd pauses that stop you from controlling the character for an uncomfortable amount of time and most of your kit no longer works with each other very well. Im not saying she is the ONLY one with this issue but she certainly has it now it no character should have it. Black adam, WW, Marvin, superman and few others are examples of characters I have personally played that either dont have this issue at or its to a much smaller degree

I think one major problem of the flow is for example how long you cant act after landing down tilt. Having a window of whiff punish is totally fair but having a large window of inactive for landing an attack is weird as hell? if they dont want it to be a combo options they should change other aspects of it without adding all of that end lag EVEN on hit its egregious and unnatural

I well over 1000 games on her as of now with 300+ hours in the game and this is definitely the worst its been

[worldly vault]

maybe an anti infinite thing?

[river yew]

To not acknowledge Harley definrtly is way worse now is just a casual mindset. Now saying she's b tier may be too much I say shes lower than top 5 now she was never top 3. Only to non competitive quick player players tbh

[white basalt]

I agree shes in Mid A tier, the nerfs definately hit but shes not terrible nor is she underpreforming,

[severe fossil]

You know that anyone still calling Harley an S tier is actually bad at the game.

And there’s a lot of them just looking in any corner not dedicated to the character herself.

[hoary coral]

It genuinely pisses me off when people who never played Harley see Harley players speak about how the nerfs actually affected her to a decent degree and people say it's "overreacting". They complain about her brain-dead combo game after the nerfs as if she can still combo anything.

[severe fossil]

Take note it’s always people playing Joker, WW, Tom, Finn, and Bugs too.

[stray copper]

yeah batbomb is now your best finisher after up tilt which I don't mind I did it anyways

[icy canyon]

There's really no excuse too since you can try out character combos in training mode and feel for yourself how clunky Harley is now

[slate timber]

I just wish batbomb didnt bug out half the time 😭 at least we know what causes it now

[slate timber]

Yea im ok with them not wanting the infinite but I wish it didnt have to affect non infinite gameplay so much

[stray copper]

you can totally still fair slide jab jab jab utilt bat bomb kill assuming you aren't running confetti

[slate timber]

yea but sair down tilt isnt consistent anymore sometimes it'll let them dodge out and you'll get punished while in that long end lag from slide

[mighty pasture]

I would still run confetti with that same type of mindset bc you can get early kills off the batbomb + confetti explosion near top of arena

Batbomb is the best💙

[icy canyon]

when you say utilt bat bomb are you talking about attaching the bomb? From what I've seen that only works if they're holding DI in, right?

[stray copper]

hold fast fall and do the slide with the right stick

[stray copper]

no exploding it

and I'm stupid it would still work with confetti assuming you didn't start stacking before the fair

[icy canyon]

confetti actually can make it more deadly. The bomb exploding counts for setting off the confetti explosion which happens a bit after, so double explosion for early kills

Hard to set up for that though

[stray copper]

but confetti happens after 5 hits so you need to get an explosion to start the stack (probably from down b), then just do fair up air/up tilt then the bat bomb then they will die to confetti

[icy canyon]

For sure, but in situations where you set confetti with uair or down special and have a bomb in hand, you can set up the situationi described. Situational, but fun nonetheless

[slate timber]

yea ik its mad inconsistent, pre-patch I was doing it constantly and all people on line dont take advantage but plenty of people just get out now

if youre doing it consistently still tho good on you, got better timing than me i suppose but its crazy that its this tight at all

[white basalt]

So no emotes still?

Im on and still cant use them, just checking if its the same for anyone else?

[vast crag]

@neat trench lmao harley downplayers are hilarious

i just found another one that denied playing them and on their yt they have a clip of them 0 deathing a joker and dying at 60

and has a level 16 harley

and said there were way more worse characters

[neat trench]

I'm not reading further than the last like 4 messages because I'm lazy and all I see is someone talking about emotes and not being able to consistently do something because they have a skill issue or something

[vast crag]

nah it's not here

it was a yt comment

[neat trench]

Mfs that play top tiers on their way to say the top tier isn't top tier because the top tier has one small downside (weighs slightly less than average)

[vast crag]

weight doesn't even matter if you pull off a 0 to death

it's such a weak argument

[white basalt]

anyways

The emotes are back 🎉

[vast crag]

[white basalt]

it doesnt really matter anyways, ranked isnt real yet.

The people who should be at the top, will be at the top.

Characters can be unbalanced, but nothing is beating mechanical skill at the end of the day 🤷

Harley is aight but the balance patches really effected her placements, i dont think shes top 5 anymore, shes still very good but definately lost a lot of potiental.

[vast crag]

i know, but when someone is repeatedly downplaying a character to artificially inflate their mechanical skill ego it gets annoying

it ruins the characters rep too

[white basalt]

it is what it is, hes baiting, this guy is no good at the game anyways 🥱

[vast crag]

lmfao real

[neat trench]

Crazy how you say allat and I beat you with Batman of all people

You've literally always had a winning MU against him

[white basalt]

youve never fought me what are you on about?

[neat trench]

I'm a professional misinformation spreader

[white basalt]

👍

[vast crag]

[carmine tapir]

she doesnmt have one

[hoary coral]

Point it out. The true inescapable zero to death Harley has.

Also Zypten always moans about how busted Harley and WW are in the character cords every 20 seconds when he mains Joker LOL it's freaking hilarious

[neat trench]

I haven't played Joker in a while

Also WW is better than Joker

She's the best character in the game rn

By a LOT

[hoary coral]

Not my point you complain about broken characters and you play broken characters

[neat trench]

Batman might be the furthest from broken character I think

[carmine tapir]

wrong its jason

[carmine tapir]

and no bc ig

[neat trench]

I haven't fought any IGs besides a total noob in 1s who just mashed 2 attacks and Carry in 2s recently but didn't they nerf him?

[neat trench]

It's actually Velma

Jason at least has strong kill power

[carmine tapir]

nerfed him but hes still top 3

idk if they nerfed him again today tho

[neat trench]

WW is top 1

[carmine tapir]

im saying its just not by a lot

[neat trench]

Iron Giant

Ground Side Special
– Iron Giant can no longer jump while holding an enemy
– Iron Giant can no longer use his up special attack while holding an enemy
– Iron Giant can no longer walk off ledges while holding an enemy
Air/Ground Neutral Special

• Fixed an issue where Iron Giant could cancel hitstun if knocked back during this attack
  Air/Ground Up Special
• Fixed an issue where Iron Giant could cancel hitstun if knocked back during this attack

He got nerfed today

[carmine tapir]

idk how much that changes i havent fought him yet

[white basalt]

Ive been cooking IG since Beta hes always been pretty bad, the infinites were pretty bad but the solution is just to blitz him before he can get you stuck in it

[neat trench]

Comboing him before he was removed while the devs tried to fix him used to actually be impossible and very risky

His move that breaks your combo had ridiculous knockback for whatever reason and if you hit him anywhere in the air, you were at risk of just dying at 0% because he pressed one button

Thank God thats fixed

It was ridiculous

He still seems to have infinites and 0tds though

[white basalt]

I really cant say i shared that issue, hes always been crazy combo food, and a lot of his moves leave him open near his legs or leave him stuck on the ground or in a false sitting position

really easily punishable

[neat trench]

I don't think IG is even possible to balance

He's so big and heavy that no matter what you do he's combo food but if you give him ways to keep up he's just broken because getting hit by him is a death sentence

[carmine tapir]

on some maps he can instantly kill at 0

idk if thats true anymore but like it was since 2 days ago

[white basalt]

I will continue to push the agenda that IG is bad because in my personal expierience ive never been super cooked by one

[vast crag]

she doesn't?

I swear she does

maybe I'm blind

[carmine tapir]

she hasnt had one since beta

[white basalt]

🗣️ we're scrapping this piece of junk

[carmine tapir]

scrap lil bro for more perk currency

[white basalt]

real

[vast crag]

ok maybe I'm hallucinating

😭

[white basalt]

whats yall favorite harley kill move?

mine is batbomb, feels very silly

[carmine tapir]

like obviously she was like easily top 3 last week but since nerfs her combo game has been limited to 2-3 moves and she acts more like a punish character now but her kit also like doesnt fit that well

[vast crag]

that's fair

[carmine tapir]

idk upsig bomb is cool but it feels too clunky to hit

but its nice when it does

[vast crag]

@carmine tapir there's no shot you play deepwoken too

lmao that's insane

[carmine tapir]

game got mid as hell bruh

conquest in march my ass

[vast crag]

real 😭

never coming out

[carmine tapir]

they said its this month but i dont believe that

[vast crag]

ya same

the devs are so unreliable

[neat trench]

Never played against Carry fr

[hoary coral]

is ftilt 1 -> dtilt true?

[cosmic river]

iron giant can just nair dodge cancel nair up to the ceiling as much as he wants and combo into up air for a kill from zero. hes still busted

[white basalt]

Dodge tho

He's so huge if you get hit by that you kinda deserve It

If you get punished for having no stamina, welp, oh well ig

[severe fossil]

No. Not unless they’re asleep.

[hoary coral]

any advice for morty matchup?

[worldly vault]

imo an infinite just existing is indicative of something broken in a kit. Either the range is too high that knockback doesn't put you out, the knockback is too low that you just get stuck in it, it's too easy to cancel out of, startup is too low, endlag is too low, any set of those things indicates some move is in some way abusable to me. Harley wasn't strong because she had an infinite, she had an infinite because she was too strong. I rather like how she is right now, where it doesn't feel like you are hopeless to fight her because her punching glove was so safe you couldn't possibly approach her.

[slate timber]

She just lacks identity in my opinion rn she isnt the combo queen, traps arent too good either sooo she's just like decent at killing sometimes and decent at whiff punishing? its not very intereting atm i hope the find a direction to push her in that is more fun

[neat trench]

Crazy how all of that just goes to WW because there isn't a single thing in her kit that isn't overpowered

[slate timber]

Lmfao you aint lying even her down tilt uncharged can kill like HUH

[turbid wing]

Wat

[slate timber]

I Died to that mf i swear bro 😂

ohhh hol up by un charged i mean without holding down tilt at all not no meter

my fault

[neat trench]

WWs dtilt spiked me at like 13% one time and it hit as if I were on 200%

She's ridiculous

[neat trench]

Wonder Woman not Harley, but Harleys could definitely kill at like 300%

Its so broken

Kills at 300

Nerf

[radiant quest]

yes wait till he gets nerfed bcs that mf has no cooldowns

[neat trench]

Bro thinks PFG is gonna balance the game 😭

They're gonna release their 30th Reindog nerf leaving top tiers untouched

[hoary coral]

morty is "bottom tier" so...

[radiant quest]

If you have no idea how the game works yes

[radiant quest]

Ok

[neat trench]

He has decent combos and a lot of projectiles but other than that he doesn't have much

Just play around his earth attack and dont let him grenade you

There's a collapsing star in those things istg

[white basalt]

Morty is bottom tier? That's crazy.

That mf is in B at the lowest

He has tech, he's a projectile character, not understanding the tech doesn't make the character bad; it makes you a bad Morty.

[neat trench]

I'd put Morty in mid A tier tbh

His combos are pretty nasty and like I said before, there's something odd in those grenades

Nuclear fusion is happening inside of them

[white basalt]

I agree, hes really strong Id put him below harley and above BA.

Those grenades are build different if you explode 2 next to each other ☠️

[blissful sierra]

So Harley can no longer combo Side Jab into the slide attack. What can I do then?

[covert reef]

Ugh ik it's dumb

[lament cairn]

Drag down fair-> landing up air strings

[turbid wing]

How do u get the ultra MVP

[hoary coral]

server boost

[turbid wing]

Ohhhh

Yea screw that

[hoary coral]

lol

[neat zealot]

Imagine spamming one button to win

[river yew]

If its a Harley spamming one button. It's pretty low level and easy to beat. Ngl

[neat trench]

I think Harley is one of the only high tiers that CANT win by mashing one button

[slate timber]

how you losing to someone spamming one button?

[neat trench]

You have never met a Bugs main

[slate timber]

Oh no i have im just not losing to a spammer especially with parry in the game now lol

[neat trench]

Bugs is nasty dawg idk wym

I got hit by ONE (1) nair and I just lost the stock

All the DI and dodge mashing in the world wouldn't save me

[white basalt]

Real that mf down air is diabolical, once you're in it nothing can save you

And these mf bugs have the nerve to go "just dodge it" or "just Parry it"

Or "you're playing Harley so it's fair."

Mf Harley ain't got no nair loop, she Hardly even has a true combo anymore.

Then good bugs players will chain it into a safe while you're helpless, you might as well put down the controller at that point.

[neat trench]

Bugs mains are actually some of the biggest downplayers ever

It's a miracle the character hasn't been nerfed yet too

He's got a free 0-60 at least (60 being kill range for that busted ass up air)

[white basalt]

It's a 0-D ladder

Let's call it what it is.

Let's not pretend it's not.

[neat trench]

It's not 0td

It's not infinite, you can escape it after a certain point

But it's still insanely strong and brings you into his kill range (he can't true combo into up air out of it but he still puts you in a bad position once it ends)

[white basalt]

That nair can be chained into up air at 65, the dodge window is about 2-3 frames.

It's like the finn 0-D ladder, it is not dodgable but unless you've got god like reflexes or you're spamming dodge and get lucky, you're getting laddered to death.

[neat trench]

God like reflexes don't help with the input delay tbh

I have a really good reaction time but nothing I do on reaction seems to actually input, it stalls itself for a solid 3 business days before actually happening

Visible input delay my beloved ❤️

[white basalt]

Idk either way, it's unbalanced and certainly just not fun to play against, but somehow Harley mains have no room to talk because casuals think she's S tier (she's not)

[neat trench]

Harley is more OP than Bugs because she was better in the beta 🗣️

[white basalt]

Wild

[river yew]

But bugs mains will downplay and say you can di or dodge.

[neat trench]

After you've taken 60+ damage you can (that means it's balanced and fair and definitely not overpowered!)

[river yew]

Lmao after that 60 get ready for a mix of either dair or up air. Or wait let me just Nair again.
I'm sure when you have safe active in nair you can move either

[neat trench]

I love how Bugs is so balanced and fair to fight! He only wins if he can hit a single move!

[river yew]

Psh forget nair let me drop safe to dair jab and get you to a free less then 60 second combo to an immediate 80+ percent

[neat trench]

I love how Bugs's safe gives you a free 40+ damage in 2 attacks

[river yew]

I once dropped safe on a iron giant and wonder woman at the same time daird. Then naired they bounced off my Steven partners shield with the safe and I naired again. The WW died but the IG was at like 120+ 💀💀💀

[covert reef]

Wild af

[hoary coral]

do people run last stand on harley? i feel like its really good

i just cheesed with it

[neat trench]

I don't think I've seen a single person NOT run last stand unless they were running the dash attack armor break

weakened is probably the strongest debuff in the game

It's why Batman can even kill before 200%

The only real reason NOT to use it is when fighting WW or if you have trouble with Supermans grounded attacks

[rocky otter]

braindead

runs when losing

spams the most when not

[neat trench]

Bro has never played against Banana Guard

Also what do you want them to do when losing? Harley is among the lighter characters

If you're losing 2-0, I don't think a rushdown playstyle is saving you

That being said, gut Harley anyways

[rocky otter]

him too

[stray copper]

What perks should I get

[white basalt]

• Plays one bad/annoying Harley
• Open Multiverses Discord Server
• Open Up Harley Quinn Chat
• Post the most believable bait imaginable
• Profit.

Yk one way to solve spam? By beating tf out of your opponent

Ringing them out also helps if you can manage that

[neat trench]

Some characters don't have good combos

[white basalt]

Sig perk: The only two I've found worth using is smooth moves (it will consume stamina so be careful), or the 5% buff.

The aiming signature perk sucks, sure you can aim it but it takes too long and leaves you floating in midair. Unless you can aim it in a fraction of a second, don't bother. Confetti I've heard is decent, I prefer the DOT DMG you get from ignite but like either is okay.

Perk 1: Snowball Effect (objectively the best perk for 1s and 2s, in 1s a 7% DMG increase always, when stacked in 2s it becomes 14% on the highest HP target), another good ones are that's flammable doc, but at that point you're running a DOT (damage over time) build.

Perk 2: I personally love final stand, I feel like I perform the best above 100 so stacking weakness is really good for me. I also run 2 fast 2 block for WW/Superman to break their armor

Perk 3: there is no wrong option for perk 3, I like pugilist because I am very melee forward and like to wail on my opponent, but do whatever fits your playstyle best.

[rocky otter]

ive seen 100s of harleys or even more

[rocky otter]

keep thinking you have people figured out tho. its cute

also have 17 days played. im not new at all

[white basalt]

You must fight nothing but casual Harley's then 🤷‍♀️ probably makes sense with your MMR

17 days is new MF I've been playing since beta

[rocky otter]

no i dont.

all the harleys ive seen have 3k win badges on her and have played beta.

[white basalt]

Pics or it didn't happen

[rocky otter]

mf that includes the beta

[white basalt]

Smells like 🧢 tbh

[rocky otter]

proof or this didnt happen then if you want to use childish logic

[rocky otter]

idc what you think really

[white basalt]

I mean I just wrote down what you did, I'm not claiming I've fought a bunch of 3k Harley's

The burden of proof is on you not me

[rocky otter]

thats..... not at all what i did

again prove thats what i did

prove it

[white basalt]

Is it not? You could have fooled me

[rocky otter]

i would like proof thats what i did

[white basalt]

Scroll up, you can read right??

Or do you not think before you speak?

[rocky otter]

braincells, you use them right? the point is, that logic doesnt work in this argument

[white basalt]

If you lost lil bro just say that

[rocky otter]

tired of this convo. not wasting anymore time

[white basalt]

Bye bye 👋

[rocky otter]

🌽

[white basalt]

🍿

Cause mf you got cooked

[rocky otter]

proof?

[white basalt]

Proofs right here, you just keep coming back too.

Bro this is free entertainment

[rocky otter]

all you said was stupidity and thought you were smart. you literally reek of a regular twitter or reddit user

[white basalt]

Keep malding it fuels me

[white basalt]

You reek of a filthy green role who can't even do a ladder

[rocky otter]

lil bro really thinks hes right

after going out of his way to do a childish argument for no real reason. just to make himself feel good

[rocky otter]

???

k?

reddit comment

[white basalt]

Oh fs, cause I made you come in here and talk out your ass about all Harley mains like you got them figured out.

You made a fool out of yourself then got mad when I called you out.

[rocky otter]

you pinged me

[white basalt]

Yeah I did, welcome to the public cord.

[rocky otter]

took all that time to type that simple ass line

nice

[white basalt]

Bro is waiting for my responses with a stop watch, that's so cute 🥺

[rocky otter]

🥺 ik ty

[white basalt]

I really am living in your head rent free huh, what happened to being done?

I can do this all day I'm off

But like

[rocky otter]

yes, you are. i love you

[white basalt]

Ily2

❤️

[rocky otter]

🩷

[rocky otter]

may i ask you something?

in your opinion. how should one fight a harley?. (genuine question, no argument)

[white basalt]

Oh I can answer that fs

[white basalt]

So I find that Harley is one of the lightest characters in the game, next to like gizmo.

A lot of her moves don't take priority over things like disjointed hitboxes (finn backpack/sword, banana guard spear, WW sword, etc).

Bruisers match up best against Harley, with some of her worst match ups being Shaggy, Batman, and Black Adam. A lot of Harley's do arieal combos, they like to stay above you and zone you with the nair hammer.

Use that to your advantage, wiff punish and spike upward, when I fight other Harley's 90% of my ringouts are top stage.

Break her Jack in the box, that thing is diabolical when it floats near top stage, I've ring out a lot of poor saps by up smashing them into a box that rings them out.

And lastly above 90, batbomb can spike if youre already airborne, dodge it or if you cant, fall off the stage and time it to where it explodes before you hit the bottom so you don't go flying.

Other than that, pressure, Harley is a zoning character and will just follow you around and zone you with a hammer, when you're up in their face the only move they can do that doesn't have a start up or move them; is their neutral combo; which can be pretty devastating but dodge/Parry can definitely come in handy there.

[rocky otter]

ill try those things

the thing i have trouble with the most is her up special

[white basalt]

Something the whole chat should note too

Batbomb is bugged and will sometimes fly away when thrown without sticking to an opponent.

I throw batbomb upwards a lot to confuse my opponents, sometimes it just never comes back down. I find it works really good as a feint but just keep that in mind when fighting a Harley if she throws a batbomb and it just floats away

[white basalt]

Yeah it's like bugs neutral up air, except it's a special and can only be used twice in air unless hit

The only advice I can give is learn to dodge/Parry, or stay far away from challenging a Harley from above.

The up special is one of their only reliable kill moves now, so like when your high HP you've gotta sort of anticipate that bat is coming if youre falling near a Harley

[rocky otter]

hm, understandable

[white basalt]

Hope this stuff helps, I may only be good for 2 things, playing Harley and starting problems.

But I can say I've mained Harley since the open beta released and know her pretty inside and out.

But Harley is also a character many people pick up thinking she's easy, so a lot of casual Harley's suck and only know like 3 combos.

Same with bugs and WW

[rocky otter]

ive mained arya since open beta and batman but batman seems to be struggling rn a bit

[white basalt]

He still has a 0-D I believe

[rocky otter]

also it does

[white basalt]

If it hasn't been patched out

[rocky otter]

whats that?

oh nvm

[white basalt]

A 0-death combo

[rocky otter]

i see

yea

[white basalt]

I think Batmans 0-D is in a similar place to Finn's 0-D

It's definitely possible to land but there are opportunities to drop it or slip out of it

[neat trench]

This game does NOT have SBMM

Me and my friend went on like 12 games in a row winning 4-0 or 4-1, that was NOT an even match

[white basalt]

this beef is ancient, my boy you dug that up like a fossil.

[neat trench]

I opened this channel and spawned there

[white basalt]

Real

[tropic tulip]

MMR in the beta didn't mean anything

It actually meant that little you could always tell who the casual players were based on if they thought MMR rating was worth talking about or not

[white basalt]

Bro this is a 20v1

I'm cooked

🚶‍♀️

[neat trench]

I mean at the start it was an indicator of skill to some degree

[tropic tulip]

Not to any degree

[neat trench]

But after people like JMafia stopped taking showers and going outside, it became nothing but a playtime indicator

[tropic tulip]

The worst player in the game ever could get to #1 by playing enough

You know daffdylls is known for that right

He was EU so we all know how bad he was at the game

He was literally a random you'd find in 1s queue and 2 stock without thinking about

And he then decided to quit out of every game with someone who's character is higher than level 5

So he ended up losing only 2% of his games because he only let himself play absolute noobs who have 10 games in the game

And he got to #1

MMR is to NO DEGREE a metric of skill

At all

No matter what someone's MMR is you should never assume if they were good or bad at all

[neat trench]

I mean most players with high MMR WERE good at the game

[tropic tulip]

Ehhhh

I disagree

I don't think at the end a single top 20 player in either mode were good like at all

[neat trench]

I fought a few of the high MMR players and some of them would just hold me in an infinite loop

[tropic tulip]

No wait because Jmxfia climbed back up to top 20 didn't he at the end I think

Idk

I know anthos fell out of top 20

[neat trench]

Anthos was kinda fire (character carried ong)

[tropic tulip]

If Jmxfia did too then yeah no top 20 players were good either game mode

Anthos was absolutely insane at the game

You can say what you want about his character but anyone could play that character and he still won everything he entered

[tropic tulip]

Anyone could do that

The infinite loops on every character that had them were extremely easy

It was a skill issue if you couldn't do them because it was just muscle memory

[covert reef]

They got a lot to work on and on a fast timeclock, devs better lock tf in QUICK

[neat trench]

It's too late for them

[severe fossil]

Fights nothing but S tier or cheesy garbage all night

Gets told “you’re not good” while playing a nerfed character against primarily Tom, Bugs, and Joker.

[white basalt]

Welcome to being a harley main

[severe fossil]

It's dumber now than beta.

Can't wait for ranked so the sweats screw off though.

[white basalt]

tbh i dont feel the same way

I want to be in ranked

so i can cook sweats

[severe fossil]

I don't enjoy fighting people who act like they have a gun aimed at their head. The sooner it comes, the better because they'll primarily be out of the general pool.

[white basalt]

I like being forced to improve by fighting people better than me

Hard matches create strong mains

[severe fossil]

"Better", most of these people I get are cheesy as hell or spammy as piss.
There's no gain in the Shaggy/Joker spamming dodge and jab or side special all day, the same that there's no gain in Bugs doing anything at all or the Taz and Toms who abuse being able to run around with a fully charged up smash on a platformless stage.

[neat trench]

Bro said Tom 😭

[severe fossil]

What?

[stray copper]

I don’t think Tom and Jerry are that bad. They got nerfed since open beta. Open beta yeah easy top 3-5 even after nerfs. But now Jerry dies in one hit and Tom has end lag on moves. The only two things I would say are an issue is the paddle Jerry move and they have a loop with slingshot

Other than that they aren’t anywhere Close to S tier

[severe fossil]

It's the paddle and loop I'm talking about specifically is the funny thing. The Toms I get try their absolute hardest to make sure you can't hit Jerry or else get stuck in their jab/tennis racket.

[stray copper]

Especially now that projectiles travel slower than an elderly crossing the street

[stray copper]

Yeah the loop is an issue 100% he shouldn’t be able to loop with his slingshot and the paddle is a juggle move that’s also pretty crazy. Yeah that can be annoying but tbf Jerry got nerfed hard since open beta. He dies in one hit now so I don’t blame them rushing to get Jerry back. If that’s the case then play around that you know? Bait some moves. I know it’s annoying fighting that character but you’re lucky you didn’t fight him open beta. He was a monster. I know he feels like a lot but trust me the character isn’t a lot

Rather fight them than Steven Universe. I believe that character sniffed a nice crack gem before playing

[severe fossil]

I literally played in the beta :/ it was a fully charged neutral or 2 uncharged ones to knock him away before.

Doesn't change that I get some extremely annoying picks when I'd rather be playing in 2s instead (reduced framerate in 2s right now). Taz's priorities are weird + same issue as paddle ball, Joker being Joker (as well as Bugs and WW).

Steven is only an issue when he wants to try and run away constantly for his down special(?) then use that to combo into his fair or side kick, but I know what you mean with that dumb dair infinite and his up air timing.

[neat trench]

Tom kinda sucks without Jerry tbh

His melees aren't insane, they're strong and have good range but a lot of characters (Harley included) outclass him

With Jerry he can be a monster to deal with though, tough to approach without projectiles

[severe fossil]

It's the approaching that gets on my nerves since they aren't stupid, but her side special is too slow to fire, otherwise they stall until jerry respawns often.

[neat trench]

Harley has fast attacks, especially some aerials

Just abuse those to catch him

[covert reef]

I fight sweats daily, the majority of them are not good at all, i literally only ran into maybe 5-6 people that were hella good and they were here on discord, as for the rest of those abusers, nah

[radiant quest]

honestly rn you cant really be better than someone else lmao

not in this state of the game where the balance is really bad

[white basalt]

What are you yapping about?

Idk why people have like rose tinted glasses about the beta, but the game has significantly improved since then.

Like if you prefer the beta its whatever, enjoy whatever ya want, but i really dont see where youre coming from on that.

[covert reef]

Eh

Kept the speed and fixed everything else then it wouldn't be a problem

I feel they're comparing it because of the speed alone

It feels like the same game just slower

[white basalt]

I played a lot of the beta locally with friends up until release, and tbh I enjoy the release much more.

[stray copper]

Open beta was a massive problem

[covert reef]

You never played online?

[white basalt]

I mean, after they took it offline, i kept playing it locally with friends on parsec or just when they came over.

[stray copper]

Dodge fest, 10x speed , loops, the list goes on

[white basalt]

yes the stamina was very much needed

[covert reef]

That's why I said to keep the speed and fix everything else that was wrong with the beta, then you're good

[white basalt]

Parrying is also goated

big fan of that esp now that ive been able to do them intensionally

Its really tight timing.

[covert reef]

But WB is not really known for doin that, they want whatever gives em sales, now pfg gets a bad rap for releasing an unfinished game because of wb

[vast crag]

if this game had a shield system like smash i wonder how different matches were played

[severe fossil]

Shaggy, BG, and Bugs would be doing obscene shield damage.

Adam too.

[sacred hamlet]

How do yall utilize the grenade? I rarely ever use it since I play only 2v2 and the animation window is so long it feels risky most of the time to me

[radiant quest]

dont ever say im yapping after what you just said mayor of yappington town

I never said something about beta

[radiant quest]

and how has the game improved since then? I cant really see that if I look at the numbers lmao

not one casual player has said that and they all left already

[neat trench]

I mean if the game was even half as enjoyable, maybe I'd agree but it's just unfun rn
Neutral rn is really just camping until your opponent lets you land a jab so you can use your true 0td combo or 0-60 loop

[white basalt]

Bro had to sit on this a whole business day 💀

[radiant quest]

k

[hoary coral]

That mf Bugs would shield break every engagement. Plus if the armor properties of moves functioned similarly on shields, he'd be able to get them for free LOL

[severe fossil]

Because of course he would.

[grave cradle]

How do you beat passive play as Harley, I’m starting to lose my mind😭🙏

[cyan sand]

use the parry reverse projectile perk and camp in the corner n play thru bomb and balloon😂😂

[grave cradle]

Her projectiles mean nothing to most of the roster😭

[tropic tulip]

"while playing a nerfed character" the character is still better than Tom and Bugs and also wins both MUs

This character went from top 1 to top 5 and every Harley main cried because they can't win anymore

[severe fossil]

That's hilarious coming from a Bugs main.

How's that 60% kill range with a busted up air treating you? On top of the neutral air infinite trap?

[vast crag]

lmao

[stray copper]

Ngl I would gaslight like this too if my character had a nair that connects into itself 3-4 times into a confirmed up air that kills at 50. I would gaslight like this too if my character had an infinite. I would gaslight like this too if I’m character had an up air that covers wide area and a hit box that covers a wide area and kills at 60

[summer minnow]

Not even top 5 she has no routes anymore. Struggles to kill where the entire roster can with ease. One of the lighest characters in the game(besides Arya). Sucks against zoners. Hit kit literally is either bugged, slow, or goes through characters. As a Harley main, if you are losing to this, its a skill issue not because shes 'broken'. Yall just use broken whenever you just get outplayed.

[stray copper]

And it be the ones calling her broken after she got nerfed who are playing characters with infinites 😂😂😂😂😂. Bugs literally has like 2-3 infinites still

[summer minnow]

RIGHT. Literally "top tier" Bugs gameplay is just him spamming neutral air with bat and hammer.

He can do all of that AND MORE if he's using his rockets, safe, and burrow

[stray copper]

Nair is a true confirm into anything. They nerfed Harley because “slide is a do everything button” well bugs nair is a do everything button 😂😂😂😂

[stray copper]

Nair, nair, nair, nair, nair, nair into bat

[summer minnow]

The devs gotta be drunk sending out these patch notes. Multi is at the point where ANYONE can be good just play Bugs, Shaggy, Morty, and so on. It also sucks that TRASH players can beat people who are actually skilled at the game just cause of how braindead the character is. Being "good" at Multi isn't even a flex anymore its just tier hording the best characters.

Best believe that if the next patch coming up doesn't fix the game, it's dying when summer ends just like the beta.

[tropic tulip]

Lmao?

How to say you suck in 1 paragraph

Insult the other person's main instead of refuting anything I said

[stray copper]

I suck because you have true infinite combos lol ok

[tropic tulip]

Bugs has no infinite comboes

Nair into Nair is diable after like 3 hits maximum and just doesn't work after like 60% on most characters

Usually 2

Nair into dair is never true and Nair into up air is never true if you DI out

If you're letting a bugs loop you then you suck yes.

Lol

If.you get hit by Nair into up air it's also a skill issue just.hold out

[stray copper]

Gaslighting

[stray copper]

Nair into up air is true at certain percentages wdym?

Watch bugs get nerfed and you are the one in the bugs channel complaining 😂

[stray copper]

And I’m sorry but if you’re still dying to Harley and complaining about her after the nerfs and you play bugs. That’s a massive skill issue on your part. Massive. She can’t combo anymore she has to read your dodges to catch you. Dodge better.

After the Harley nerfs as bugs. I’m sorry but you shouldn’t be losing. I question if you truly are top 1 EU bugs. Wait a minute. You’re a free agent? Looking for a sponsor? LMAO yeah kid. You’re garbage. I don’t think anyone in their right mind would sponsor someone who complains this much about one character. You’re in here 24/7 moaning about Harley

Last time I checked sponsored players suck it up and deal with it and learn the matchups and still win

I’m about to cook you now that I read your bio

I’m about to bake you. Your Twitter is dead. You tweet about nothing and you tagged mirror man he gave no response. You are holding onto the glory days of 2023 when you used to be someone. You’re like that HS football coach who still talks about him coming close to making into the NFL but didn’t make the draft and still talks about his glory days in the 1990s. I also see that you complained about Finn as well. All you do is complain, talked about your earnings and you flaunt everything from 2023. It’s 2024. Where are you now? YouTuber should make a video about you that says “Where is he now? Story on how Luis_D_Pirate fell off”

I can see why your sponsor let you go. All you do is complain. A real sponsored player eats it up and learns the matchups. I think it would be a very bad look to have someone like you constantly coming into this channel complaining and attacking Harley mains saying it’s a skill issue when you’re out here still begging for a sponsor since 2023

Keep talking imma bake you more. Because there’s more stuff I found out about you but imma keep it civil

In here 24/7 complaining I see you In here all the time. Put that energy into getting a new sponsor

Tired of seeing you come in here and complain and attack us harley mains when you’re out here playing a crazy character, flaunting you were top 1 in 2023, flexing your 2023 earnings that are definitely gone by now and don’t wanna get better at the game with a dead Twitter account

[tropic tulip]

@lean pivot get a load of this clown lmao

This isn't a mod ping I just needed someone else to see this loser behaviour

Bro spent 30 minutes writing something I wasn't gonna read but I think it'd be funny to

[tropic tulip]

1. No it isn't lol that's something every pro knows because it's important in the MU

[tropic tulip]

2. I never said I lose to Harley's I said she wins in the MU those are 2 separate things.

[tropic tulip]

3. I played bugs in 1s at the end of the beta when he was unarguably less than balanced

[tropic tulip]

The sponsor thing is me mocking one of my friends lmao I don't need a sponsor check my bio lmao

[tropic tulip]

I wish this true dude you have no idea

Dude if I compared your huge paragraph to stuff other people do when complaining it's like you wrote a sentence compared to their novel they genuinely are annoying

[raw rampart]

Age old saying is that if you're losing to "spam", you're spamming a mistake

[tropic tulip]

I don't use twitter like ever

Don't wanna be popular on there because I tweet extremely stupid stuff for the sake of being dumb

[tropic tulip]

I like how you're attacking me relevance when nobody knows you or ever will like? I'm probably more known now then in the beta and am definitely known for my skill more now then in the beta too

[tropic tulip]

You legit did the equivalent of the soyjack meme getting mad because I said Harley won the Bugs MU

Never said bugs was bad

Or I was bad against Harley's

Or insulted you

I said what parts of what you said wasn't true and gave my own opinion on the MU

[raw rampart]

Yall should FT10 ngl

Prove who's better instead of all this typing ‼️ ‼️

[tropic tulip]

FIRST TO

That's like 19 games maximum 10 minimum

That'd take ages

Best of is 100% the only way to do something like that

So I can be done in 6 games

Although if this guy thinks the loop is true then he obviously can't DI it which means the games would be extremely quick anyways

[raw rampart]

Lmao

I only said FT10 because both players have enough time to adapt to tactics

Although platform fighters have long matches, even FT5 is fine tbh

[tropic tulip]

If I can be bothered and we are both free at the same time maybe

I don't like playing against someone I don't like to prove I'm better

It's just giving unnecessary attention to toxic people and rewarding them by letting them play games W me for being toxic against me

[raw rampart]

Kinda true

There are way too many toxic players on MVS and it's sad to see

Even more toxic than the Open Beta

As someone who plays other FGs competitively, it is very fun to beat people who like to disrespect lmao

[stray copper]

Tagging people to be apart of this conversation is nasty work you need back up?

[tropic tulip]

It's not back up

They aren't gonna back me up

They're a mod they literally aren't allowed to

Unless you broke a rule

[stray copper]

Calling me toxic when you come into the Harley discord everyday attacking us is crazy gaslighting

[tropic tulip]

Bros gaslighting by saying that

[stray copper]

lol bro you come in here everyday complaining like I literally see it

[stray copper]

2023 glory days is coming back into your mind

[stray copper]

Okay so? Like I care about being known 😂😂😂😂 it’s just a video game I could care less about being known 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

[tropic tulip]

The fact these aren't my.glory days but you assume they are is funny to me

[stray copper]

Cap again. You come in here on a daily complaining about Harley bro it’s a routine for you

[stray copper]

The fact you’re flexing being top 1 is funny to me

[stray copper]

Ngl this sounds like a cop out. You sound like one of those kids that got caught doing something but then lie and say it’s your friends not yours. Like you got caught looking at something but then excuse it saying it’s your friend that sent it and you didn’t pull it up on your phone

[tropic tulip]

Lol

I'm not reading that last paragraph

That's too much

I've read too much

[stray copper]

-Free agent looking for a sponsor

[tropic tulip]

I'm gonna dip now

Have fun malding lmao

[stray copper]

Bye 😂✌🏿

[stray copper]

I love doing that 😊

Love it when people get caught in their own ego and start backing down when they get caught 😎

[stray copper]

The gaslighting again. Multiple upon multiple instances of you coming into this channel being toxic towards Harley players. “It’s a skill issue” “she’s top 5” “you’re just not good” “get good bugs is mid” “I can’t wait for your char to get nerfed” I see you more in here than I see the Harley mains

[tropic tulip]

Never once sand bugs is mid

Genuinely stop replying to me aswell

I could not care less

[stray copper]

Uh oh I think the exposing hit a nerve

[tropic tulip]

You didn't expose anything?

I legit publicly said Harley is top 5

You're exposing nothing

[stray copper]

That’s not what I’m talking about but okayyyyy

[tropic tulip]

<@&882349260409032746> can someone do something about this he keeps pinging me constantly trying to stir me up and insulting me

I have asked him multiple times to stop

Because I can't be bothered with this

And he's making up stuff saying I said stuff I didnt which I'm highly against

[stray copper]

<@&882349260409032746> can someone do something about this guy? He keeps coming into the Harley discord harassing people and being toxic towards the character we play for no reason and insulting us

[tropic tulip]

I'm not in that discord

[stray copper]

I’m talking about this channel

[tropic tulip]

You're just gonna get punished for the unnecessary mod ping my guy

[stray copper]

Time and time and time again this guy continues to come into this channel attacking everyone who plays Harley

[tropic tulip]

Mine was needed because you won't stop pinging me

[stray copper]

Not unnecessary when I have proof

But go off

[charred thunder]

If you both can't get along you can either block each other and move on or you're both about to be sitting in the timeout corner. You were both actively replying to each others over a lengthy amount of time, you are actively continuing this conversation.

[tropic tulip]

Okay but read the conversations I'm legit just defending all the stuff he's making up about me

I'm just defending myself from the insults he kept giving me because noone would intervene

[stray copper]

Okay and I have screenshots of you insulting everyone in this channel. Play this game if you want

Don’t play victim

[tropic tulip]

Me saying "you need to learn the MU because..." Isn't an insult

He's still making stuff up

[charred thunder]

Aight, we're taking a break now.

[tropic tulip]

And I'm still having to defend myself

[rapid cloak]

anyone else notice that batbomb doesn’t have any gravity on certain maps?

[minor anchor]

alrighty people whats the combos for harley's Air side normal attack

im kinda mashing and its working BUT i wanna learn the combos lol

[rapid cloak]

F-air into up-tilt or air is a true combo which easily gives you advantage

you can do d-air f-air up-tilt up-air

[covert reef]

Wtf do i do against marvin, and why tf did they slow harley down

[mighty pasture]

Try throwing her batbomb into him to start your combo before enter. Using nair is going to be tough against a strong Marvin. Smooth moves are also needed for him with all his projectiles.

[covert reef]

OK then

His projectiles are hella annoying